Prost testing McLaren-Peugeot MP4/9 at Estoril in 1994 (post-retirement)
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- March 8-11, 1994, followed by interview of Alain Prost and Ron Dennis (along Jean-Pierre Jabouille representing Peugeot Sport Engine). You can also see Mika Häkkinen preparing his helmet at the beginning.
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Prost & Hakkinen. What a lineup that would have been.
and mclaren with the 1 and 2 again! and Senna with 3 and 4 in williams could have been!
@@mukiribu back then Prost would have got 1, Hakinen 2, so Senna would receive again his 8 or 7, as Benetton was carring 5+6, Ferrari 27+28.
By Knowledge of today we have to recognize that the Peugeot engine for a newcomer in F1 wasn't too bad. Ok they suffered many engine failures but they were definitely better than a year later with Mercedes. They scored 8 Podiums in 1994. In Relation to the Newcomer-Seasons of BMW 2000 or Honda 2015 it was a sensational achievement!
@@georgefotopoulos75As far as I know, V10 engines need definitely more cooling, because there are two more cylinders that need to be cooled..
I remember Brundle, who was at the test too, said he saw Prost get out of the car and he could tell by his face he wasn't impressed with the car or the engine.
To be fair no car will impress you when you just stepped out of the FW15C.
@@armorgeddon Very true
And apparently. Ayrton Senna has called him serveral times when he saw Prost try this car, to know if he finally comptete in '94. But Prost said to him, he would'nt be competitive with this car. So we can answer, yes He was not impressed.
@@songoku-jc9nh Yes, Senna wanted Prost to keep on racing in F1. Schumacher took over Prost's role instantly though. What a shame the Senna-Schumacher title duel only lasted three compromised races.
@@armorgeddon It didn’t help that the Williams was almost undrivable at the beginning of the season due to it being the FW15C but had all of it’s electronic aids removed so the handling was pretty terrible because the car couldn’t work properly without the aids. Then of course was the mismanagement of Imola 94’, the whole event could have been canceled if Ratzenberger had been announced dead at the circuit but due to paramedics transferring him to hospital, the event was not canceled. It was really a shame because the event continued despite Ratzenberger being killed instantly and the law stating the event could not be canceled because he was pronounced dead at hospital and not the event.
Strangely one of the most underrated drivers.... and one of all time greats for sure
Prost underrated? Are you kiddin me?
Agreed. Senna (like Villeneuve) has been overly lionized in death. Prost deserves to be mentioned in the same breath with the ALL TIME GREATS: Fangio, Ascari, Clark, Stewart, Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton...
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 Alonso and Lauda also
@@flazone4486 Yeah, yeah. Sorry your panties got in a twist.
No question he was a smart guy ! Once more we have plain evidence of that.
I was not aware of this test. Prost lucked out, given Peugeot's spectacular grenades... I mean, engines in 1994 lol.
And then got a double whammy when he contracted them to provide engines for Prost GP and they, what do you know, grenaded a lot, lol
@@richcam427 that is true 😆
He didn't luck out. Alain knew that Peugeot did not have a competitive engine.
Prost the best
He drove the 1994 McLaren and thought: Well, those were good cars back in the days....
I am Portuguese and remmeber this. Never believed he would comeback he was a smart guy.
Although it was such a shitty engine back then, the sound is quite a sweet music even today...
Prost was quick to work out this motor was a hand grenade 😁
Car wasn’t race winning, but I still think this car looks beautiful and sounds amazing.
I love the Peugeot V10 sound.
We can see Jean-Pierre Jabouille in the end (head of Peugeot Sport). The peugeot engine was the winner of the 24h of le mans 1992-1993 with Jabouille in the team...
Grande piloto
0:10 Mika Hakinnen in the backinnen
Comment of the month for sure.
Häkkinen in the bäkkinen.
Prost was the only driver around that could've faced Schumacher on equal terms after Senna death in 94.
but those 2 are not known to run on equal terms 🤭
He was not only smart, but above all intelligent. Senna was superfast but during the race Prost would not rarely beat him.
Saudades de ouvir estes F1 aqui no autódromo do Estoril.
Ohh tempo volta para trás 😜💎🔝
concordo colega, o unico que se ouve hoje é o meu F1 estacionado na minha garagem ah pois é
Amazing
In Jordan Peugeot engine was powerful.
In high speed circuits Jordan was very good for example German GP 1997.
Also in 1993 94 Peugeot lost famous f1 engineer Gilles Simon.
Ferrari took Simon to work in the first Ferrari V 10 engine
Yeah but that was AFTER a few years of development
Where did you find this footage. Do you have more footage of the McLaren Peugeot MP4/9.
The only people pleased Prost didn’t sign were Brundle & Alliot .
McLaren should have stuck it out with the Ford HB engines for another year.
Mika looks pretty much thoughtful .... :-) :-)
He walks look that way. It’s the quiet Finnish temperament. You never know what’s on their minds lol
@@supercooled If memory helps right,Mika had to get along with Senna at McLaren for a whole season.He did well and he also outperformed the brazilian on one occasion yet the perspective to cope with Prost for sure was quite a headache...for him as like as for anyone !
In the 1993 Portuguese Grand Prix Häkkinen beat Senna in their first qualifying session as team mates. When Ayrton came to Mika and asked how did he managed that, Mika jokingly pointed at his balls and Ayrton took it personally. According to him it was the moment that he realized that F1 was a serious business and he shouldn't be there to just joke around as not everyone would understand his jokes.
@@RandomGuy37 interesting. Where did you hear that story? I can see a guy like Senna take offence to something like that. I heard his mechanic interview about his mclaren and he said ayrton was militant as far as preparation as he would sit in the car when they were on the grid so he wouldn’t mess up his setup.
@@RandomGuy37 Mika was hell fast....and a nice guy on and out the track :-)
Bem que Prost poderia ter voltado em 94!
For me without doubt the greatest grand prix driver ever. One who is so often overlooked with uneducated people who have no idea about F1 often putting the likes of Schumacher ahead of him which ia a complete joke (you only have to listen to the comments of John Barnard who worked with both on who he regards as best). Alain beat every team mate he ever faced fair and square (including several champions) and if it wasn't for a stupid scoring system in 1988 would have won that championship too as he amassed more points than Senna did. On top of that clearly the driver of the season in 1983 and 1984 only to lose out in the final race and you could be looking at at least 7 championships when the level of drivers, circuits and cars were at an all time peak. Turns up at Ligier in 1992 and laps 2 second faster than Boutson in a car completely unfamiliar and then turns up at this 1994 test with Mclaren Peugeot in a post retirement status and laps 0.5 seconds faster than Hakkinen (you can google this and Jo Ramirez has also confirmed it in an interview). Alain was simply the best!
Great summary. He would also have won the 1982 the F1 championchip had he benefited from the same Team support back then than Schumacher later had at Ferrari... (refer to the infamous French Grand Prix 1982 story with Arnoux). Michael Schumacher like Lewis Hamilton nowadays are so overrated and do not deserve any of their championchip titles. As the old saying goes "To conquer without peril/adversaries, one triumphs without glory"
PS, just curious have you ever met Alain? Honestly, he is a really nice guy and you would never guess he was a quadruple F1 and 2 x ice racing champion. Not a arrogant prat like Mark Webber for example. Joke driver and joke personality to match
@@gre812u Indeed, our respective paths crossed on several occasions (at F1 races, Andros races and also at airport). He was indeed always cool, smiling and available, I almost broke the window of his Alpine A310 when I was a very young kid (after he won the Castellet GP in 1983 and leaving the track) hitting so hard on it from excitement in order to get his signed autograph on a polaroid picture of his RE40 and he had a good laugh. Great memories.
What would you say to people who say 1988 was only close because Senna had more mechanical failures?
I would say that these people who make such claims know absolutely nothing about Formula one. For example, in football you have probably heard the term game management well in F1 there is race management. Mechanical failures have always been part and parcel of grand prix racing and the driver is often the responsible party for the health of his machinery especially in the 80's period when failures were pretty common. Remember it only takes just one component out of hundreds to fail on an F1 car and it can cause a retirement. At the start of the race Senna would usually charge off into the distance pushing himself and machinery to the limit and this quite often would backfire whereas Prost would be more conservative at first and then push on from around the half distance mark relying on better tactics and healthier machinery to win the race or at worst score high points finishes etc. The truth is both drivers were geniuses at how they went about their craft but their approach was completely different so quite facinating that both ended up with a win ratio per race of approx 25%. The best way I can sum them up is that Senna was an all out racing driver who drove to win a race at all costs whereas Prost is the ultimate grand prix driver who always had his eye on the World championhip itself and would happily sacrifice a race win to secure it. I am a fan of both men and each had their strengths but what annoys me is that Alain is often unfairly overlooked maybe because Senna had more panache and Alain was maybe more mundane by nature. Both are all time greats!
nice landscape
That Peugeot engine was excellent by the time 1997 came around.
@reichsfuhrermonika6469 the a14 v10 was one of the most powerful on the grid by the end of 97. Reliability wasn't great though.
Ι think A14 had 750 hp
Nunca fiquei sabendo que o Prost quase voltou pra MClaren. Pensei que ele e o Ron Dennis tinham virado inimigos depois de 1989
Ron Dennis é um cara pragmático e estava sempre embolsando o que era melhor para sua equipe. Ele disse que Prost era o melhor para a instalação de carros de primavera. Na verdade, Prost fez outro teste de configuração de carro da McLaren para Ron Dennis em 1996 (em substituição a Mika Hakkinen após sua lesão no pescoço em Adelaide em 1995).
Ron Dennis is a pragmatic guy and was always purseing what was best for his team. He had said that Prost was the best for the setup of spring cars. In fact, Prost did another McLaren car setup test for Ron Dennis in 1996 (in replacement of Mika Hakkinen after his crash / neck injury in Adelaide in 1995).
Ele foi enemigo dos japoneses e do Senna... máis nao do Dennis.
Peugeot made mistake to design F1 engine in October of 1993.
The engine run irst time in dyno ,in Christmas of 1993 and run for first test , in McLaren car , in February 1994.
It was too late in three months to design and test an new F1 engine
Mclaren e Peugeot... Não foi um belo carro. Mas foi interessante vê essa parceria.
Never knew this.
1:44 Jean Pierre Jabouille : 1st at GP France in 1979, 1st at GP Austria in 1980.
Pilot of Peugeot 905 V10 (the same as F1)
Not the same engine, but same base specs obviously.
🇧🇷 esse motor era do 905B do grupo C
Something that could have been better. This whole package was out together at the last minute. From engine decision, which I understand is not easy. I would love to know why Renault never went with Mclaren. The engine decision was made in November or December, and for a first time supplier in F1 that should have been decided sooner right? Then driver line up. 2 or 3 weeks before the first race Brundle is confirmed. Yeah he was set up to fail from the start. Same nonsense that was done with Andretti the year before.
Williams vetoed it , Benetton got ligiers supply when Briatore bought them and took them away. Williams could do nothing about that then, very clever of Flavio.
And martin Brundle got the seat...
Peugeot A4 engine had 700 hp and A6 760hp.
It had only 700HP, I think it was the A4. But it had 760HP by Imola, but it was terribly unreliable.
Mansell: Williams -> Ferrari -> Williams -> McLaren
Prost: McLaren -> Ferrari -> Williams -> (McLaren?)
@Daniel Barton Prost didnt drive for Lotus.
@Daniel Barton Irrelevant. You don't get it, do you.
You could say Mansell drove for Team Lotus and Prost for Renault Factory. And in 2012 the last one became Lotus F1 Team.
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Since it was 1994 and driving aids we're banned after 1993 when prost won the championship with the most technologically advanced car f1 ever had.
Prost of course didn't have high hopes for mp4/9 since it didn't have the driver aids like the fw15 (Of course after driving the most advanced f1 car everything feels slower) and the Peugeot v10 was underpowered.
That's why he said.... "it would be for the passion of motor racing"
But i think he still would be competitive tho.
But thank heavens he didn't sign or els he would have been driving a grenade on wheels.
Actually the McLaren MP4/8 itself was the most technologically advanced car on the grid, but the Williams had the better engine. Prost hated the electronic aids, he enjoyed the 1994 regulations much more since he tested the Williams without the aids in late 1993 and loved it. He surely knew that this MP4/9 with the Peugeot engine wasn't enough, plus mentally he decided he was 100% done.
Eu não sabia
If senna had been a lorry driver prost would have got at least 7 titles.
Siento que ese motor Peugeot no le precisa nada a Prost, lamentablemente para Macclaren se fueron sus años de gloria cuando Honda decidió retirar los motores de los monoplazas de Mclaren
I won't be world champion with this "thing". LOL.
Someone have the lap times?
Not the time... but Napoleón was 0,5 Faster THAN Mika. At Google you can search
Prost had many years relationship with Renault until nowadays really dont understand their approach to Peugeot.
It was more because of his friendship with McLaren as well as Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Former Renault Turbo driver that was heading Peugeot F1) before Prost joins F1 Renault.
@@rascassette Thank you for this historic information.
In the mid 1990's after retiring from driving Prost wanted to build a pure French Formula 1 team set around him, with his good friend John Barnard as head engineer and designer, French driver Olivier Panis from Ligier and another French driver, and a French manufacturer Prost would build a Formula 1 team set for the future of French motorsport. Long story short he had no choice, so he had to go with Peugeot as the French manufacturer because Renault rejected Prost during the early planning process of putting all the pieces together and have the team ready for a debut in the 1997 season. Prost ended up buying Ligier out and rebranded the team under his own name for 5 years with very little success as Prost Grand Prix before folding into bankruptcy just before the start of 2002
Prost tested 1995 car with Mercedes Benz dog engine.
1996 too. He almost beated the fastest laps of Häkkinen and Coulthard.
@@Sciusciamaccu because he is real champ.
@@arthurmorgan9108 For this reason, around the month of May, Häkkinen and Coulthard asked Ron Dennis to be able to test more, so as to indirectly oust the Frenchman, who would soon embark on the adventure of owner and team principal of the ex-Ligier team.
@@Sciusciamaccu Already in this 1994 test as a retired driver Alain was 0.5 seconds faster than Hakkinen.
Say what you want about modern f1 and the scant number of engines suppliers but at least there is parity whereas in these olden days engines kept blowing up with so many suppliers with low tolerances. Ask Peugeot cosworth Toyota et al to make a hybrid engine and they’ll laugh at you. The ROI is just not there.
Yes because the current hybrid engines are extremely limited in what you can do and far away from what would be technically possible. So as a manufacturer you don't gain much knowledge useable elsewhere. The rules need a total rewrite and I don't mean just going back to dinosaur engines.
Napoleón had been champion with this Peugeot.
Peugeot V10 was underpowered engine.