I've always loved the Legion. Like you said, versatile, nimble and they pack a punch. I like that they removed the mechanic where, if your T3 cruiser blows up, you lose a random T3 cruiser skill level.
OK, This helps me figure out how to approach cruisers. I thought moving up to t3 cruisers would be the end but this is a unique way of looking at it by going t3 then specializing into the t2s. Thank you once again! It's also great to hear you so enthusiastic with this game.
I love my Tengu, it’s been my low sec daily for the past decade+. Does 900 dps at 36 km range, its fast, agile, speed and active tank, and most importantly, covert ops cloaky.
Your videos have really sold me on T3 cruisers and J space. I sold my Paladin for a HAM Loki 1/4 of the price and now I have the confidence to be running sleeper sites for the first time in a decade of playing
I love the idea of the T3Cs, can fly them all, with max subsystem skills, but sadly I have very little use for them, as pretty much everything they're really good at happens outside of high sec, and I generally stay away from things that have any real risk of PvP occurring. I do have a Tengu set up for L4 missions, but haven't gotten myself to actually use it, because, well, missions.
See, for me, that risk is absolutely what makes the game enjoyable. Keeps you on your toes, gets the blood pumping. Otherwise, yup, L4s are doable with a T3C with the right skills and fit.
@@captainbenzie Yeah, the risky parts are not my world at all. I play EVE as a (co-op) PvE game exclusively; can't deal with the adrenaline of competing with other players.
Just use covert ops cloak. I daily a tengu in low sec, and covert ops is super over powered in low sec because no bubbles. I usually hunt clone soldiers and jackpot rats that only spawn in low sec. De-cloak, kill, collect, cloak up. I’m lazy now so I don’t mission run or wh rat anymore. Very little work for 40-150 million per rat. I like exploring low sec back waters. It’s weird how I feel more unsafe in hi sec vs low sec now.
I love cruisers inside out So with enough time, i would definitely play EO just for the sake of industry (what I did in Echoes as well), and to build ships in the og game Stabbers are still my favourite ships in existence
When I transitioned from WH and Null exploration into low-sec PVP I ground my teeth on FCing with my webbing Loki, I hadn't skilled into Sacs & Guards yet, but I was still encouraged to FC in my Loki that I had turned from a cloaking explorer into a webbing+target painting E-war platform!
I've been trying to watch this video quite a few times and honestly I can never get through it all without losing the plot, I generally really enjoy your other videos but this one in particular is very hard to digest. There's a lot of info being thrown and it's a tad rambly. Love your content in general, your videos are some of the most engaging eve videos.
This is somthing I did early on in eve when they first came out, trained cruisers to 5 on every race, did the same thing when t3 destroyers came out. They all work good in different roles, Loki is a nice camper with instalock and tengu is my favorite cloaky hunter while I do pve in a proteus
@@captainbenzie I use a few fits depending on the activity, currently using a fit from the youtuber Lorumerth gaming, he has a wormhole proteus that I saw and wanted to try, and making it slightly more blinged is good for the c2 i am living in
Just came back to the game after being away 10 years. I am so glad I trained for T3's back then. Tengu is my baby, but I can fly Loki also and very close to Legion and Proteus if I want as I already have cruiser 5 in all 4 faction's. Lets hope I can get fully back into it after so long away. o7
Nice! Tengu is my main, with Cannon Loki on my alt. My main can also fly Proteus and Legion, and thinking of shifting all the Loki skills.over too so main can fly all four.
If memory serves, for the really old accounts there was once only a single frigate, destroyer cruiser and Battlecruiser skill. When CCP introduced racial skills, you were grandfathered into your nonracial skill level for all four racial skills. Which was nice, and why I have racial Battlecruiser 5 for all four races without having had much desire to play amarr Battlecruisers (although I’m reconsidering that Omen…)
I just skilled it on my main (now has Tengu and Legion, working on Proteus) and my alt has Projectile Loki. Hopefully will skill Loki on main too for HAM Loki
I have the Tengu and the Proteus. Love them both! I'll have all 4 by the time i'm finished. Also breaking into Marauders. Kronos is a beast !! And the Golem is next!
@@captainbenzie It's currently fit for exploration/Combat sites. One of the reasons i like it is you can attach a drone module. Which is great because i use my drones a lot. To be clear, i've only just gotten it a week or so ago so still doing the tweeky tweeky on the fit to see where exactly it fits within my stable of ships.
Just an FYI, but I noticed that sometimes the system name was blurred but other times not. Not sure if this is intentional, but for example at 0:56 it stops being blurred. Also location window gives stuff away too.
Only a streamer has to pay attention to that for the most part, and not a content creator, unless they are protecting the identity of their anchored stations.
start pressing shift when swapping between different stat windows - you can then have multiple windows for items. (not specific to this video, been watching you recently).
Can't you enter the "ship preview" in order to get a whole list of all the subsystems? probably easier than going to the market. Just click on the picture of the Loki while looking at it.
That old SP loss kept me from ever bothering to get one, back when I had Omega active. But I knew people that flew them and lost them years ago...but I never was good at pvp 😛
@@captainbenzie I for one am happy that NO SP is lost and that needing boy buy a clone that can handle X SP is gone. Yes it takes away a certain stake in the fight or loss, but before there were no skill injectors either.
I keep getting ganked by Loki and Tengus in wh space. I am wondering if there is a way to counter them, kiting at scram maybe? Friends and I have bc skills in hurricanes.
CCP have announced they're working on something with Blockchain technology, but it won't be NFTs. There's some genuine good uses of the technology but we don't know how it'll be implemented yet. Only that it won't be NFTs.
What can I do to win against those beasts? I have only being ganked without any chance to do something when one of those bastards pin me down, do they have a weakness?
Every ship has a weakness and depends on the ship and fit in question. Way too variable a question to answer directly. If you're PvEing though, never engage. You're in a pve fit, they're in PvP fit. Spot them early and run.
@@MysticalDragon73 I can never understand people telling me I'm missing out when I have tried other things and think they are boring. Mining is the only activity that keep my atention. Mining every day since I started in 2016. Never missed a log in since I discovered mining.
@@captainbenzie I find them a bit underwhelming for the price they are at. Still like them but I have to say that I reduced my t3 usage a lot and just switched to t2.
@@captainbenzie a bigger version the t3 i guess, really expensive super flexible, specialized for wormhole activities with big damage bonuses to sleepers and extra resistance to the damage they deal?
It's original form broke balance - EVE is built on the idea of every ship having a use and a place. When T3Cs were categorically the beT option for a dozen different roles, it meant there was little reason to fly anything else.
@@captainbenzie every ship can be done in a way that would allow variations in the use and places you are talking about, which can't be achieved with modules only and will not overlap with the other ships to a degree that would basically make two variations of two different ships be identical in use BUT CCP can't and won't do it because that would require a complete overhaul of a lot in their game, and I bet that scares the shit out of them even that in the long run they will reap huge rewards, so they are happy with what they've got right now and as a result all the changes to their game are just different places to go with the same ships!
@BGSoccerMagic a complete rehaul of the game to roll out a niche fitting toy to every ship in the game sounds like a LOT of work for not all that much payoff.
1 sub removed, interdiction nerfed and more, its just another ship now. Not special anymore. Everyone else can do better with a cheaper faction or even tech 2. Sad. I quit already. My tengu is risting in hek.
Yeah you mean how you need tons of pre skills just to be effective and efficient and how it costs quite a lot. Same as it was 5-10 years ago when it came out ? No one wants to plan eve online because the server is old as hell and it’s still a money grab like eve echos maybe if they reset sever and tell all the max skilled vets to suck it then real new players try the game. At least in even echos you can fly decent stuff in a few months
Sorry, this is completely backwards. Echoes takes 10 months to reach T9. Ten, PAID, months. EO I was achieving stuff on day one, making good isk. Within a week, I was flying the ships I want to. My first month and my alt is already in a Loki and ratting C3 wormholes. You don't need the SP that the vets have. The content is there for anyone, and the new Faction Warfare is absolutely incredible.
Have to completely agree with Benzie. The biggest hurdle to overcome in EVE Online is getting in with a good group. If you decide that you ultimately want to fly a Marauder (the most power battleship class in the game), there are T1 versions that will get you going on the right skills and tactics that you can fly within a week of starting a new account if you're focused. Of course there's the isk aspect as a new player, but again a good group will help you either, earn it, or just give you one. Then, yes it may take some time to skill up, BUT, you can buy skill injectors to speed up your progress if you make enough isk to do so (or buy enough plex with cash). In Echoes, if you want to get into a Striker, you have no choice but to wait to hit T10. Even if isk and cash were limitless, it will be the better part of a year before that happens. That's not even pay to win either, because almost nothing in EVE Online is locked behind a pay wall. Very little is clone bound, meaning even if the only way to originally obtain an item is by paying cash for it (generally only cosmetic items), it is still available to be traded for isk.
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I've always loved the Legion. Like you said, versatile, nimble and they pack a punch. I like that they removed the mechanic where, if your T3 cruiser blows up, you lose a random T3 cruiser skill level.
Yeah I'm so glad they dropped that too! I recently picked up a Legion and I'm keen to try it.
OK, This helps me figure out how to approach cruisers. I thought moving up to t3 cruisers would be the end but this is a unique way of looking at it by going t3 then specializing into the t2s. Thank you once again! It's also great to hear you so enthusiastic with this game.
Glad I could help!
This video puts me farther away from beating Eve Online, thank you Captain! T3C looks to be exactly what I wanted to find
Hope you enjoy!
I love my Tengu, it’s been my low sec daily for the past decade+. Does 900 dps at 36 km range, its fast, agile, speed and active tank, and most importantly, covert ops cloaky.
Yup, gotta love the Tengu!! 😊
Your videos have really sold me on T3 cruisers and J space. I sold my Paladin for a HAM Loki 1/4 of the price and now I have the confidence to be running sleeper sites for the first time in a decade of playing
I'm really glad to hear that! I hope you enjoy!!
benzie shift clicking on the info lets you see another window so you dont have to keep clicking back
I did not know this.
Thanks for the video! I haven't played in years and didn't know they dropped the skill loss mechanic. Definitely going to train those to 5!
Glad I could help! They did nerf the ships a bit to compensate but they're still excellent ships!
I love the idea of the T3Cs, can fly them all, with max subsystem skills, but sadly I have very little use for them, as pretty much everything they're really good at happens outside of high sec, and I generally stay away from things that have any real risk of PvP occurring. I do have a Tengu set up for L4 missions, but haven't gotten myself to actually use it, because, well, missions.
See, for me, that risk is absolutely what makes the game enjoyable. Keeps you on your toes, gets the blood pumping. Otherwise, yup, L4s are doable with a T3C with the right skills and fit.
@@captainbenzie Yeah, the risky parts are not my world at all. I play EVE as a (co-op) PvE game exclusively; can't deal with the adrenaline of competing with other players.
Just use covert ops cloak. I daily a tengu in low sec, and covert ops is super over powered in low sec because no bubbles. I usually hunt clone soldiers and jackpot rats that only spawn in low sec. De-cloak, kill, collect, cloak up. I’m lazy now so I don’t mission run or wh rat anymore. Very little work for 40-150 million per rat. I like exploring low sec back waters. It’s weird how I feel more unsafe in hi sec vs low sec now.
I love cruisers inside out
So with enough time, i would definitely play EO just for the sake of industry (what I did in Echoes as well), and to build ships in the og game
Stabbers are still my favourite ships in existence
Stabbers are so much fun and the Vagabond... Oh the Vagabond!!
When I transitioned from WH and Null exploration into low-sec PVP I ground my teeth on FCing with my webbing Loki, I hadn't skilled into Sacs & Guards yet, but I was still encouraged to FC in my Loki that I had turned from a cloaking explorer into a webbing+target painting E-war platform!
Very nice!
What’s your fit dude?
The best part of the video is finding out I no longer lose sp when dying in a t3c. I hadn't realized this change had happened. :D
Yup! The ships did get nerfed to account, but they're still fantastic ships!!
Best video about T3 cruisers up to date.
Thank you!!
I've been trying to watch this video quite a few times and honestly I can never get through it all without losing the plot, I generally really enjoy your other videos but this one in particular is very hard to digest. There's a lot of info being thrown and it's a tad rambly.
Love your content in general, your videos are some of the most engaging eve videos.
Ohh they got rid of the skill loss!! awesome !!. I can fly all of them might have to resub again, loved running around WH space in the proteus
The ships themselves did get nerfed to compensate, but they're all still very good ships and the SP loss removal was DEFINITELY a good thing!!
Pyfa is a great way to simulate the fits outside the Eve fitting window
Absolutely
This is somthing I did early on in eve when they first came out, trained cruisers to 5 on every race, did the same thing when t3 destroyers came out. They all work good in different roles, Loki is a nice camper with instalock and tengu is my favorite cloaky hunter while I do pve in a proteus
Ooh! What's the PvE Proteus fit? I've just finished training that one.
@@captainbenzie I use a few fits depending on the activity, currently using a fit from the youtuber Lorumerth gaming, he has a wormhole proteus that I saw and wanted to try, and making it slightly more blinged is good for the c2 i am living in
OMG OMG OMG this was one of the videos I've been waiting for. Thank you Benzie.
Hope you enjoyed it!
Just came back to the game after being away 10 years. I am so glad I trained for T3's back then. Tengu is my baby, but I can fly Loki also and very close to Legion and Proteus if I want as I already have cruiser 5 in all 4 faction's. Lets hope I can get fully back into it after so long away. o7
Nice! Tengu is my main, with Cannon Loki on my alt. My main can also fly Proteus and Legion, and thinking of shifting all the Loki skills.over too so main can fly all four.
If memory serves, for the really old accounts there was once only a single frigate, destroyer cruiser and Battlecruiser skill. When CCP introduced racial skills, you were grandfathered into your nonracial skill level for all four racial skills. Which was nice, and why I have racial Battlecruiser 5 for all four races without having had much desire to play amarr Battlecruisers (although I’m reconsidering that Omen…)
I just got a Legion last week, now to skill into the subsystems!
I just skilled it on my main (now has Tengu and Legion, working on Proteus) and my alt has Projectile Loki. Hopefully will skill Loki on main too for HAM Loki
I have the Tengu and the Proteus. Love them both! I'll have all 4 by the time i'm finished. Also breaking into Marauders. Kronos is a beast !! And the Golem is next!
Lmao you sound just like me! I want everything!
What do you use the Proteus for? What fit/s do you use?
@@captainbenzie It's currently fit for exploration/Combat sites. One of the reasons i like it is you can attach a drone module. Which is great because i use my drones a lot. To be clear, i've only just gotten it a week or so ago so still doing the tweeky tweeky on the fit to see where exactly it fits within my stable of ships.
Just an FYI, but I noticed that sometimes the system name was blurred but other times not. Not sure if this is intentional, but for example at 0:56 it stops being blurred. Also location window gives stuff away too.
Thanks for pointing that out. Ultimately doesn't hugely matter as those are different systems anyway but duly noted 😅
Only a streamer has to pay attention to that for the most part, and not a content creator, unless they are protecting the identity of their anchored stations.
Gallente 4ever man! I love Proteus. I genuinely hope i had omega time to train skills and be able to fly my man Proteus!
It's a heck of a powerful PvP ship!!
@@captainbenzie i know right! But people blinded by blingy amarr say that proteus is not good 🥲
GREAT!!! Wonderful!!!! I bought a legion in JITA. How do I assemble it??????????????????
You need to buy the four subsystems that you want to use and have those in the hangar too. I do have a Legion video coming out soon too! Great ship!
start pressing shift when swapping between different stat windows - you can then have multiple windows for items. (not specific to this video, been watching you recently).
Gets messy though 😉
We need T3 Battleships 😎
Lmao I'd love to see more T3 ships
Maruaders
no
@@johnwaddles6718but better
T3 Frigates and Battlecruisers first
Across my 3 accounts, I have all 4 T3's. The most fun I have is in my Loki, next the Tengu.
I think those are my two favourites too
Can't you enter the "ship preview" in order to get a whole list of all the subsystems? probably easier than going to the market. Just click on the picture of the Loki while looking at it.
Also true, yes, but I find the market gives all 12 right there easily just by typing "Tengu" in 😊
That old SP loss kept me from ever bothering to get one, back when I had Omega active. But I knew people that flew them and lost them years ago...but I never was good at pvp 😛
Yeah, that was needless busywork and I'm so glad they got rid of it.
@@captainbenzie I for one am happy that NO SP is lost and that needing boy buy a clone that can handle X SP is gone. Yes it takes away a certain stake in the fight or loss, but before there were no skill injectors either.
Tech 3 cruisers are really powerfull. they can get to the power of a T1 Battleship but more agile
One of the reasons I love them 😊
I keep getting ganked by Loki and Tengus in wh space. I am wondering if there is a way to counter them, kiting at scram maybe? Friends and I have bc skills in hurricanes.
Bait them, tackle them, then drop artillery canes in at range
Hahaha Captain, I’ve noticed for each video of EO that your notification number gets higher and higher
Really?
@@captainbenzie yes, unless it’s only your alt account? I’ll have to see in other videos again
Tengu doing explosive and thermal dmg? Against sleepers??
Made a mistake there. Been flying the Legion too much. Obviously with the Tengu, use SCOURGE for the kinetic bonus
They look really cool... Umm, the Proteus would like a word.
I quite like one configuration of the Proteus, the one I show in my video. But yes, every other configuration looks garbage 😂
Nice vid Capt.
Thank you ☺️ I hope you enjoyed!! 🚀
Intresting
:)
I did a app to join your corp in EO, how long does it normally take to get a approved?
It takes time as the team need to ask a few questions. They go as swiftly as they can though :)
I decided to treat myself to a 720M Legion and lost it in the first Tetrimon Site I tried, gonna be a while before I make that leap again
Ooof, yeah that's gotta sting a little
loki is my fav t3c
Probably mine too! I like it both with Autocannons or with HAMs!
ty for the video
Glad you enjoyed!
Hello captain.. did you hear about blockchain nfts in game .. can you check and explain?
CCP have announced they're working on something with Blockchain technology, but it won't be NFTs. There's some genuine good uses of the technology but we don't know how it'll be implemented yet. Only that it won't be NFTs.
I wish i had omega so i could try T3 cruisers out
Omega in EO is really worth it, and by time you're looking at T3Cs getting omega in game shouldn't be too hard.
What does the subsystem bay do?
Allows you to carry more of the Subsystems so you can swap around as needed.
Wait.. These cruisers have a drone variant as well!!?? Heck yeah where do I get one!?!
The Proteus :)
Loki ❤
❤️
What can I do to win against those beasts? I have only being ganked without any chance to do something when one of those bastards pin me down, do they have a weakness?
Every ship has a weakness and depends on the ship and fit in question. Way too variable a question to answer directly. If you're PvEing though, never engage. You're in a pve fit, they're in PvP fit. Spot them early and run.
How well do they mine?
Only thing I am intrested in
No bonuses so, not great 😂
@@captainbenzie darn...thanks :)
If thats all you are doing you are missing out @Justdizzy
@@MysticalDragon73 I can never understand people telling me I'm missing out when I have tried other things and think they are boring. Mining is the only activity that keep my atention. Mining every day since I started in 2016. Never missed a log in since I discovered mining.
@@MysticalDragon73 Why are my replies disapearing?
I mostly run abyssal sites, so T3 cruisers are kind of a waste of isk for me.
Yeah true, this is mainly aimed at wormholing ☺️
wish you could use t3 cruisers in the abyss
I get why you can't though. There'd be little point flying anything else.
I miss the golden age where these things where top tier but you lose skill point if it gets destroyed
Personally as someone who flew them back then, I prefer it now 😂
@@captainbenzie I find them a bit underwhelming for the price they are at. Still like them but I have to say that I reduced my t3 usage a lot and just switched to t2.
@@HexatorGamingi agree they are not worth it for the price/performance. They were much better/broken lol back in the day.
Why not the Munin? :(
I've covered the Muninn in other videos too, great ship!
i want t3 battleships, its been 10 years
What would T3 BS do that we don't already have?
@@captainbenzie a bigger version the t3 i guess, really expensive super flexible, specialized for wormhole activities with big damage bonuses to sleepers and extra resistance to the damage they deal?
@@douglaschristensen3008 Marauders. You're literally describing Marauders. My point was that there's no niche for a T3 Battleship to fulfill
im moving to HAC first
Awesome! Which one,?
@@captainbenzie cerberus
@@dach829 niiiice!!
Hate to be a pedant, but T3C is an acronym for Tech 3 Cruiser. So T3C strategic cruiser literally means tech 3 cruiser strategic cruiser
I use it in the title, sans parentheses, simply to make it easier to search for
Also u need omega for it isn't it??
Yes. Any T2/3 ship requires Omega.
CCP created the best weapon there is out there in any MMO and instead of expanding it to all the other ships they ended up trimming it down?!?
It's original form broke balance - EVE is built on the idea of every ship having a use and a place. When T3Cs were categorically the beT option for a dozen different roles, it meant there was little reason to fly anything else.
@@captainbenzie every ship can be done in a way that would allow variations in the use and places you are talking about, which can't be achieved with modules only and will not overlap with the other ships to a degree that would basically make two variations of two different ships be identical in use BUT CCP can't and won't do it because that would require a complete overhaul of a lot in their game, and I bet that scares the shit out of them even that in the long run they will reap huge rewards, so they are happy with what they've got right now and as a result all the changes to their game are just different places to go with the same ships!
@BGSoccerMagic a complete rehaul of the game to roll out a niche fitting toy to every ship in the game sounds like a LOT of work for not all that much payoff.
Seems like someone's idea for all ships but they compromised and just had this for one ship.
They're good versatile ships, but they're very expensive and can't do everything at once, so make good prey
1 sub removed, interdiction nerfed and more, its just another ship now. Not special anymore. Everyone else can do better with a cheaper faction or even tech 2. Sad. I quit already. My tengu is risting in hek.
Eh to each their own. I love my T3Cs and find they work really well.
@chmpro really you unsubbed because of that? That's absurd. T3c's are some of the best ships in the game,especially in wh space
Tengu only useful for HAMS. The rest is garbage. LOKI much better. The Caldari T3 got nerfed bad.
I really enjoy HAM Tengu, but I do also fly all four T3Cs now...
Can’t fly these as I’m #alpha4life
Sadly there's too many things I love that are Omega 😅
Your choice but alphas are too gimped to be terribly useful.
Yeah you mean how you need tons of pre skills just to be effective and efficient and how it costs quite a lot. Same as it was 5-10 years ago when it came out ? No one wants to plan eve online because the server is old as hell and it’s still a money grab like eve echos maybe if they reset sever and tell all the max skilled vets to suck it then real new players try the game. At least in even echos you can fly decent stuff in a few months
Sorry, this is completely backwards. Echoes takes 10 months to reach T9. Ten, PAID, months. EO I was achieving stuff on day one, making good isk. Within a week, I was flying the ships I want to. My first month and my alt is already in a Loki and ratting C3 wormholes.
You don't need the SP that the vets have. The content is there for anyone, and the new Faction Warfare is absolutely incredible.
Have to completely agree with Benzie. The biggest hurdle to overcome in EVE Online is getting in with a good group. If you decide that you ultimately want to fly a Marauder (the most power battleship class in the game), there are T1 versions that will get you going on the right skills and tactics that you can fly within a week of starting a new account if you're focused. Of course there's the isk aspect as a new player, but again a good group will help you either, earn it, or just give you one. Then, yes it may take some time to skill up, BUT, you can buy skill injectors to speed up your progress if you make enough isk to do so (or buy enough plex with cash).
In Echoes, if you want to get into a Striker, you have no choice but to wait to hit T10. Even if isk and cash were limitless, it will be the better part of a year before that happens.
That's not even pay to win either, because almost nothing in EVE Online is locked behind a pay wall. Very little is clone bound, meaning even if the only way to originally obtain an item is by paying cash for it (generally only cosmetic items), it is still available to be traded for isk.