The muninn was such a surprise to me when I tried it in C3s for the first time. My 350 mil fit with 500-600 dps was outputting more damage in those sites than my 900 mil - 1 bil Loki with over 900 dps. Those application bonuses make such a massive difference
Great series, I learned a lot about all the heavy cruisers and fittings. Damage assault modules check. Fittings check. Well done. I miss the lag from Zimbabwe 😢.
I maxed out the skills for Cerberus and it is, indeed, god-like. I enjoy the Deimos and Eagle too. I am intrigued by the reports on the Muninn. Good series. Thanks.
A nice conclusion to the series! What's next? Command ships? Battleships? Maybe a look into the viability of lower wormhole class sites with "lesser" ships, or niche uses for some of the more high-end ships to print isk there in systems that are often overlooked?
Oh yes! I still need to do a roundup like this for the T3Cs, and for C5 Marauders. But then I've been looking at the Command Battlecruisers and other options too.
@@captainbenzieSo many other content creators just go for the, "get this ship" recommendation. Your content is so much better in recommending a range of great ships. I'm more skilled into Gallente ships so can happily go for the Deimos at least for now with more fun to aim for in the future
One minor point about missiles in a ratting context is because the missiles don't apply their damage instantly you can end up burning through way more missiles than required. Now as a Minmatar fan I'm used to burning through ammo (projectile or missiles) it just something to consider. And because someone is going to say to just shut off the launchers after the killing volley of missile gets fired, yes you can do that but why should you when you can fly a ship when that isn't needed.
There are alternatives for lower class ratting (an Assault Frigate or good destroyer can do T1s for example, and a BC or solid cruiser will do C2s - check out the wormhole life playlist) I'm really glad I've been able to inspire and I wish you all the best in J-Space! Which ship are you looking at?
Man that Cerberus looks cool, so that or the Sacrilege, you got me hooked on rockets and missiles, so, geez, I'll decide when I get some more skills. Thanks again. @@captainbenzie
@@captainbenzie Yeah, that thing looks awesome too, and I have seen you fly that somewhere else I believe. The training is slow and steady, I'll focus on one very soon.
I have to watch all of them individually again and see which one I would like to fly and try the C3s. I see the SAC has a probe which may give an advantage for a solo pilot like me. well done on your videos.
You obviously dunno play ISHTAR i'm sorry : you just occasionally SEND drones, but your strength is SENTINELS which are clearly easy to not loose and recall. As your dps is ONLY drones, they will be focused, EXCEPT if you d'on't send them right away but take aggro by healing your armor, and healing aggro is just crazy in this game ! But I haven't try my Ishtar in WH, so may be aggro mechanisms are different... Possible. Plus Ishtar is a GALLENTE ship, therefore armor oriented and NEVER ever Shield oriented, shield will be eaten up in 3 shots ^^ It's a surprise at first but the armor is amazingly tough with two regen you do the job by far. Some exceptions happens regarding some vulnerability to EM damages, which sometimes asks you to be more subtle than coma with this ship. Thks for the good work nevertherless ^^ Have a good day
Wormholes are VERY different and that's exactly why the Ishtar fails there. Sleepers are significantly more drone aggressive - healing aggro is NOT enough to hold their attention, and yes, you're right, I'd normally armour tank and Ishtar, but shield does work and gives more DPS (needed to break tank) Sentries don't work since you HAVE to be mobile with the Ishtar to not die, so you can't scoop them when they get aggro. Ishtar is a great ship. In Wormholes, however, it does not work.
i know this is about solo fits but the ishtar is a fantastic choice the moment you can field at least 3 characters. 1600mm plate, 3x a-type small remote armor reps, cap transfers and a civilian gun on one to designate targets for drones. its so easy to set up and run solo and it chews through all c3 sites incredibly quickly.
thats true to an extend. my brain smol so i dont think i could manually pilot 3 ikitursas in 3 different sites at the same time without a hefty dose of Adderall. with 3 ishtars you establish a cap chain, regroup your alts so they orbit you and send your drone swarm of doom around with your civilian gun. very chill and no PEDs needed :D
@@captainbenzie i guess its a convenience thing. 3 ishtars in a single site are easier to handle than 3 designated solo fits in 3 different sites all at the same time. it also allows you to turn your brain off a bit because plated ishtars with an adc are stupidly tanky.
Also, ishtars can scale up to roach in c5s with a similar fit - you just need to add a lot more. Controlling them all is also very easy with drone assist.
hi this video (and the series behind it) is super useful! but how do they (the HACs) rank overall? are they significantly slower than T3s? or rattlesnake, say? I mean from purely a ISK/h standpoint. That is, give all the tests you collected so far, what would you choose - assuming a relatively high degree of safety - to achive top efficiency?
@@captainbenzie Ty, nice to know I'm a big Sacrilege fan - actually I used to run (not in C3s) a Cerberus and a Sacrilege side by site, both amazing ships.
Depends on your skills and intention. For straight up ratting, I think the Sac/Cerb are better cost ratio for pure ratting, but you'll need a wormhole corp or something around you. Tengu/Loki have the ability to rat whilst also outfitted with cloak and scan probes, making them better for pure nomad lifestyle, but they cost a lot more - both in terms of ISK and SP allocation
Give me a vagabond and thats it. I love cannons, love the speed and the fact it can just shred anything with autocannons. Also, it looks so unbelieveably cool that none can change my mind about it But i may like the retribution more in terms of looks, and maybe even in terms of flying it, what is on it its way to my hands
What's a good stepping stone for the Sacrilege? The Thorax leads well to the Deimos, but the Maller is lazerz. I'm just starting to expand into cruisers.
@@captainbenzie missiles seem generally useful, so probably not a bad investment, be though I guess the same is true for shields and armor. So many choices.
Hey dudes , newbie here. Are those sites in wh space? If so does this means those ships scan them down themselves ? Cause I don’t see no probe launchers in them .
These sites are indeed in Wormholes, but the combat sites do not need scanning down - they appear on the Probe Scanner list as green and can be warped to immediately. Beyond that, these fits are from the perspective of being in a wormhole corp, or at least a situation where others will have scanned down your exits etc. Obviously you can do this yourself with alts, a different ship, or even having Probe Launcher and a Mobile Depot in your cargo. If you're new-ish to wormholes, check out my Wormhole Life playlist! th-cam.com/play/PLweq846y_h9Y1mxvJKJFbj-RE6A7w2_JI.html&si=AxX7SVH844aheX8m
Hi Benzie! are you planning a short video to update the ranking? Have the Uprising changes to missiles bonuses affected C3 ratting? Is the Cerberus still as good?
I just want to point out, Javelin gets about 10 more dps then navy antimatter on the eagle, and has roughly half the range. If the issue is a Ship just hanging out ever so far past Javelin range even regular Antimatter will easily out apply damage to it
Too smart for Tiermaker, that is. Not too smart to be Minmatar! There's my Gallente side side showing, so used to free speech I forget that uncensored speech doesn't need to be unfiltered or careless speech!
Depends on the mix and your skills, but it's usually 2:1 ratio (ergo 5 Mediums > 2 Heavies - Heavies being equal to 2 Mediums). A Gecko outperforms a single heavy but is VERY expensive.
C4s are rarely worth it. Even with bigger ships, they take so long to clear and the loot increase isn't huge - so it works out much better to just run C3 content. C4 is designed for small fleets of C3 players but, even then, just not worth it.
I cannot fathom how you can recommend a ship without shields and at 30% armor in your showcase video for a number one spot. I get itchy when my shields hit 50%.
To give Minmatar a choice, like the other empires have. Rather than both HACs being cannons. Personally, I like having projectile Vagabond and Missile Muninn
@@captainbenzie yeah but I have my memories in zero zero with my glass cannon max range fast scan to sit outside of my fleet and insta pop stealth bombers
Why? Praxis often has higher SP requirements, and isn't as good for PvP as HACs can be. It's also slower than many of these ships. I mean, not to mention that not everyone WANTS to fly a Battleship and would prefer to fly something fun to them.
@@captainbenzie my main is only 11 mill sp, and for a 290 mill ship it demolishes c3. Moving the goalposts by bringing in pvp, and yea the one downside is most likely speed.
Not sure why you have such an anti-amarr bias.. they are the religious moral authority with the most stable and long lasting empire out of the 4 factions in new Eden. To assume that minmatar are somehow more moral because they are brown and rebellious is preposterous.. no minmatar society is anywhere close to the massive civilization of Amarr. Matari would’ve disintegrated if Amarrians didn’t allow them to work in the empire in exchange for loyalty, beggars can’t be uppity choosers.. every Amarr shot fired at a minmatar is effectively quelling a rebellion. Just look at the ammatar who choose to understand their place in the hierarchy instead of think they’re somehow superior based on nothing.
One word: slavery. Not sure how you can call Amarr "moral authority" when they believe that their god gives them the right to drug and enslave entire civilisations 😉 Matari didn't "work" in the empire lmao. The Ammatar also didn't "understand their place", they joined the Amarr to protect the Starkmanir from Amarrian led genocide. Minmatar aren't "superior for nothing", they're the underdogs that led a mass exodus, nuked an entire Amarrian fleet and caused an Empress to commit blasphemy perky to TRY and quell a rebellion. Even sacrificing herself and using stolen tech didn't win the day. Minmatar are a republic that values people, freedom, and ability. The Amarr are religious zealots, absolutely at peace with the concepts of slavery and genocide (needing drugs to support this "God given right") who failed to quell the smallest race despite their supposed "power".
Hey thanks for the reply! I’m honestly wanting to help you understand that you should separate this game’s depiction of a twisted and very much malicious interpretation of the Catholic Church which in reality attempted to place a moral standard on secular rulers & warlords (who did whatever evil they pleased at the time) in accordance with philosophical and religious VIRTUES that are absolutely noble and some of the best moral principles derived by humans and put into effect. When you say Not sure how you can call Amarr "moral authority" - it’s because they are the only faction that has one.. you carelessly gloss over the fact that insanely rampant capitalism (caldari) exists in game or a “brave new world” style dystopian super state (gallente) or a scattered chaotic band of tribes with little structure or order (minmatar) are anywhere ANYWHERE close to having a set of moral codes for people to follow. I want to state this as a returned catholic myself and a history nerd, I’m not here trying to convert anyone. It just pains me to see people with such a distorted and malicious view of a network of ultimate charity & care networks across the globe since before hospitals or universities were even a thing.. it was the Protestants that exploited slavery and global domination (British empire/ and French revolutionary governments). Also you clearly omit in every way Islam which actually had a hard time spreading by book & mission so they resorted to military conquest very quickly, the front lines were captured slaves all chained with their privates chopped off yet no mention from the like of your types. The caliphate spread from west Africa to Afghanistan and threatened to enslave Europe so I’m not going to ever apologize that the peace loving church had to find a last resort to defend their people and territories whom they lived. I would love to chat more about this but I’m just taken back by how much you oppose humans living by a moral code and keeping harmful ideas out.. I don’t understand why your atheist and seem to have a moral code, it’s absurd.. if everyone & everything is stardust who cares if people die? Why care?
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The muninn was such a surprise to me when I tried it in C3s for the first time. My 350 mil fit with 500-600 dps was outputting more damage in those sites than my 900 mil - 1 bil Loki with over 900 dps. Those application bonuses make such a massive difference
Yeah, it really does and is such a fun ship!!
Great series, I learned a lot about all the heavy cruisers and fittings. Damage assault modules check. Fittings check. Well done. I miss the lag from Zimbabwe 😢.
Haha, I don't!! Glad you enjoyed the video!!
Thanks for the list. I am thinking of moving from T3/Praxis to HAC and your videos really help me.
Glad to help
I maxed out the skills for Cerberus and it is, indeed, god-like. I enjoy the Deimos and Eagle too. I am intrigued by the reports on the Muninn. Good series. Thanks.
Thank you! Muninn looks lower on paper but it's application is so good.
A nice conclusion to the series!
What's next? Command ships? Battleships?
Maybe a look into the viability of lower wormhole class sites with "lesser" ships, or niche uses for some of the more high-end ships to print isk there in systems that are often overlooked?
Oh yes! I still need to do a roundup like this for the T3Cs, and for C5 Marauders. But then I've been looking at the Command Battlecruisers and other options too.
@@captainbenzie I shall await them with bated breath!
@@captainbenzie Command Battlecruisers sounds cool, T3Ds could use a look at too, and maybe even Assault Frigates for C1s(or C2s if it's viable)
Just trained into a Cerb. Level 5 assault cruisers, never tried wormholes yet, but I'm just gonna send it.
Cerberus is so good!!
loved this series to bits ! made me a fan of wormholes , taught me more than any single set of videos has done in an age. keep em coming !
oh ive been running a lovely vagabond which i absolutely love !!!! long live wormholing , can we have battleships next please ?
Glad you like them!
I'll see what I can do regarding battleships
Great video/ info. I am thinking about WH space and I'm fully trained into, and LOVE my Cerb.
Good choice! Go for it!
New benzie video = I click
😊 thank you!!
@@captainbenzieSo many other content creators just go for the, "get this ship" recommendation. Your content is so much better in recommending a range of great ships. I'm more skilled into Gallente ships so can happily go for the Deimos at least for now with more fun to aim for in the future
@@Rextter thank you!! That means a lot!
1:39 Also a thumbs up 👍 and comment for the Cap'n. Yet another great vid! 👏
One minor point about missiles in a ratting context is because the missiles don't apply their damage instantly you can end up burning through way more missiles than required. Now as a Minmatar fan I'm used to burning through ammo (projectile or missiles) it just something to consider. And because someone is going to say to just shut off the launchers after the killing volley of missile gets fired, yes you can do that but why should you when you can fly a ship when that isn't needed.
Very good point - overkill is a thing with missiles creating waste and slower clear times. That said, is it a huge issue? Not really 😉
great roundup personally i prefer the cerberus followed by tengu im just more comfortable with shield missile and drone boats
Awesome! Yeah, Cerberus and Sacrilege are both so close (and not including T3Cs in this ranking 😉)
Ahh, I already had a plan to eventually get Cerberus (after I get my skills up), this just gives me more things I can do with it!
Awesome!!
What a great series and wrap up. I can hardly wait for my skills to get to this point so I can try out worm hole ratting. Thanks Benzie!
There are alternatives for lower class ratting (an Assault Frigate or good destroyer can do T1s for example, and a BC or solid cruiser will do C2s - check out the wormhole life playlist)
I'm really glad I've been able to inspire and I wish you all the best in J-Space! Which ship are you looking at?
Man that Cerberus looks cool, so that or the Sacrilege, you got me hooked on rockets and missiles, so, geez, I'll decide when I get some more skills. Thanks again.
@@captainbenzie
@@docmichar Muninn is also really good fun!
@@captainbenzie Yeah, that thing looks awesome too, and I have seen you fly that somewhere else I believe. The training is slow and steady, I'll focus on one very soon.
@@docmichar yeah I've used it in the Abyss too
I have to watch all of them individually again and see which one I would like to fly and try the C3s. I see the SAC has a probe which may give an advantage for a solo pilot like me. well done on your videos.
Thank you!!
You obviously dunno play ISHTAR i'm sorry : you just occasionally SEND drones, but your strength is SENTINELS which are clearly easy to not loose and recall.
As your dps is ONLY drones, they will be focused, EXCEPT if you d'on't send them right away but take aggro by healing your armor, and healing aggro is just crazy in this game !
But I haven't try my Ishtar in WH, so may be aggro mechanisms are different... Possible.
Plus Ishtar is a GALLENTE ship, therefore armor oriented and NEVER ever Shield oriented, shield will be eaten up in 3 shots ^^ It's a surprise at first but the armor is amazingly tough with two regen you do the job by far. Some exceptions happens regarding some vulnerability to EM damages, which sometimes asks you to be more subtle than coma with this ship.
Thks for the good work nevertherless ^^
Have a good day
Wormholes are VERY different and that's exactly why the Ishtar fails there. Sleepers are significantly more drone aggressive - healing aggro is NOT enough to hold their attention, and yes, you're right, I'd normally armour tank and Ishtar, but shield does work and gives more DPS (needed to break tank)
Sentries don't work since you HAVE to be mobile with the Ishtar to not die, so you can't scoop them when they get aggro.
Ishtar is a great ship. In Wormholes, however, it does not work.
@@captainbenzie Ok... Need to try that.
This style of video is great more of this please!
Glad you enjoyed!!
actually when I started playing over 13 years ago the saying was Hail is Fail
That saying has gladly changed 😉
i know this is about solo fits but the ishtar is a fantastic choice the moment you can field at least 3 characters. 1600mm plate, 3x a-type small remote armor reps, cap transfers and a civilian gun on one to designate targets for drones. its so easy to set up and run solo and it chews through all c3 sites incredibly quickly.
Oh agreed, but then I'd argue that if you can field three characters, the others are going to be even better in C3s
thats true to an extend. my brain smol so i dont think i could manually pilot 3 ikitursas in 3 different sites at the same time without a hefty dose of Adderall. with 3 ishtars you establish a cap chain, regroup your alts so they orbit you and send your drone swarm of doom around with your civilian gun.
very chill and no PEDs needed :D
@@captainbenzie i guess its a convenience thing. 3 ishtars in a single site are easier to handle than 3 designated solo fits in 3 different sites all at the same time. it also allows you to turn your brain off a bit because plated ishtars with an adc are stupidly tanky.
Also, ishtars can scale up to roach in c5s with a similar fit - you just need to add a lot more. Controlling them all is also very easy with drone assist.
Man would be fun to see a list of oddball ships like faction, pirate cruisers, battlecruisers, etc.
hi this video (and the series behind it) is super useful!
but how do they (the HACs) rank overall? are they significantly slower than T3s? or rattlesnake, say? I mean from purely a ISK/h standpoint.
That is, give all the tests you collected so far, what would you choose - assuming a relatively high degree of safety - to achive top efficiency?
I actually think the HACs work out best. They're a minute or so slower, on average, than a fully blinged T3C.
@@captainbenzie Ty, nice to know I'm a big Sacrilege fan - actually I used to run (not in C3s) a Cerberus and a Sacrilege side by site, both amazing ships.
Always found the Sac as the more flexible and solid of the Amarr Hacs.
So what you're saying is you like your sacs flexible, yet solid.
Oh yeah, for the Amarrian vessels, absolutely!!
Would love to see you're take on using the Stormbringer for C3 J-Space Ratting.
Haha soon!!
@captainbenzie what do you think, what is better for C3 ratting: Sacrelige/Cerberus or Tengu/Loki?
Depends on your skills and intention. For straight up ratting, I think the Sac/Cerb are better cost ratio for pure ratting, but you'll need a wormhole corp or something around you.
Tengu/Loki have the ability to rat whilst also outfitted with cloak and scan probes, making them better for pure nomad lifestyle, but they cost a lot more - both in terms of ISK and SP allocation
Havent watched yet but deimos is the best HAC, you never know in what interesting way it will explode into a ball of fire
Deimos == Diemost
Deimos is definitely a great option!!
Excellente work! I really love your compaison. I prefere the both, the CERB and the SAC.
Thank you very much!
Back with another hit!
Haha thank you!! 😊
Give me a vagabond and thats it.
I love cannons, love the speed and the fact it can just shred anything with autocannons.
Also, it looks so unbelieveably cool that none can change my mind about it
But i may like the retribution more in terms of looks, and maybe even in terms of flying it, what is on it its way to my hands
Vagabond ❤️🚀
Thanks for this series. Really enjoyed it
Hope you’re doing okay 🤗
I am! And thank you, glad you're enjoying!!
Great show Cap'n 👏 👍
Glad you enjoyed!!
Great stuff Capt!
Thank you
I think that my new toon will be heading into the Vagabond, but that will be after I get my Wolf... 😉
Both are EXCELLENT ships!!
Niiiice, my skill path is good!
Is there going to be a similar series about faction cruisers?
Eventually
As an Amarr fan-boy, your hatred of the entire faction makes me laugh every time. Thanks for the great video
Could we get a link to the cerb and sacrilege fit you used please? Also great video
They're in the respective videos 😊
Check the playlist here
th-cam.com/play/PLweq846y_h9bKo4HQTyzBj5VhIFyBI_8V.html&si=xN2v2niP6yxXmZyI
What's a good stepping stone for the Sacrilege? The Thorax leads well to the Deimos, but the Maller is lazerz. I'm just starting to expand into cruisers.
There isn't really a direct one. You're either training Armour out of the Caracal or Missiles out of the Maller.
@@captainbenzie missiles seem generally useful, so probably not a bad investment, be though I guess the same is true for shields and armor. So many choices.
Great as always… 😊
Thank you so much 😀
Wonderful video, but im sticking to my Tengu and legion. Im a simple man and t3cs make me happy
Good choice! They're excellent choices too!
Hey dudes , newbie here. Are those sites in wh space? If so does this means those ships scan them down themselves ? Cause I don’t see no probe launchers in them .
These sites are indeed in Wormholes, but the combat sites do not need scanning down - they appear on the Probe Scanner list as green and can be warped to immediately.
Beyond that, these fits are from the perspective of being in a wormhole corp, or at least a situation where others will have scanned down your exits etc. Obviously you can do this yourself with alts, a different ship, or even having Probe Launcher and a Mobile Depot in your cargo.
If you're new-ish to wormholes, check out my Wormhole Life playlist!
th-cam.com/play/PLweq846y_h9Y1mxvJKJFbj-RE6A7w2_JI.html&si=AxX7SVH844aheX8m
Hi Benzie! are you planning a short video to update the ranking?
Have the Uprising changes to missiles bonuses affected C3 ratting? Is the Cerberus still as good?
Nothing has changed 😉
@@captainbenzie Great! TYVM
have you tried 100mnab ishtar with an auto-targeting system? it acts like ewar in pve so less (if any) drone aggro + better sig tanking
Yup. Drones still get chewed
I just want to point out, Javelin gets about 10 more dps then navy antimatter on the eagle, and has roughly half the range. If the issue is a Ship just hanging out ever so far past Javelin range even regular Antimatter will easily out apply damage to it
Armor tanked ishtar with Curator IIs. 👍 800mm plate, 1 rep.
Could never get it working in J-Space 😅
Amarr FTW!
Someone has to like them 😉🚀
Is there a fit for the munin and cerberus? 😊
In their respective videos 😊
Where can i find the fittings?
In each of the respective videos ☺️
Where do you sell blue loot from sleepers?
Right click -> Show Market Info
Look for a Buy order that a full rounded number. Head to that station 😊
Where can one find these fits?
In each of the individual videos
What about the Vangel ?
A ranking video that's not using Tiermaker?
S-tier!
Lmao 🤣
@@captainbenzie Admit it! You were originally considering using it! Confess!
@@TheFirstLanx honestly didn't even cross my mind 🤣
@@captainbenzie You are too pure and innocent a soul to be Minmatar then!
Or maybe just too smart.
Too smart for Tiermaker, that is. Not too smart to be Minmatar!
There's my Gallente side side showing, so used to free speech I forget that uncensored speech doesn't need to be unfiltered or careless speech!
What is your problem with Amar ships?
😂 I just don't like how they look, nor am I a fan of lasers. To each their own, though. I ham it up a little for the videos.
Is 5 mediums better than 2 heavies? How about 1 gecko?
Depends on the mix and your skills, but it's usually 2:1 ratio (ergo 5 Mediums > 2 Heavies - Heavies being equal to 2 Mediums). A Gecko outperforms a single heavy but is VERY expensive.
Are you going to put the fits you used
Every ship showcased has a corresponding video in the C3 HACs playlist.
What ship class and ship for C4s?
C4s are rarely worth it. Even with bigger ships, they take so long to clear and the loot increase isn't huge - so it works out much better to just run C3 content.
C4 is designed for small fleets of C3 players but, even then, just not worth it.
@@captainbenzie ... so essentially the best in this video can run all c1-c3 sites, correct? In
@@HXunbanned it's the best, with all of that taken into account 😉
In rust we trust!
Both are great options!
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I cannot fathom how you can recommend a ship without shields and at 30% armor in your showcase video for a number one spot. I get itchy when my shields hit 50%.
Haha cos the footage isn't representative of the entire experience
I prefer armor tanks. I let the shields act as a buffer.
fit?
Each one is listed in its corresponding video
awww man why did they take away the guns on the muninn for missiles wtf
To give Minmatar a choice, like the other empires have. Rather than both HACs being cannons. Personally, I like having projectile Vagabond and Missile Muninn
@@captainbenzie yeah but I have my memories in zero zero with my glass cannon max range fast scan to sit outside of my fleet and insta pop stealth bombers
Use t3c
Why? Often double or triple the price and the clear times are barely faster, and not always possible
Just use a praxis.
Why? Praxis often has higher SP requirements, and isn't as good for PvP as HACs can be. It's also slower than many of these ships.
I mean, not to mention that not everyone WANTS to fly a Battleship and would prefer to fly something fun to them.
@@captainbenzie my main is only 11 mill sp, and for a 290 mill ship it demolishes c3. Moving the goalposts by bringing in pvp, and yea the one downside is most likely speed.
Not sure why you have such an anti-amarr bias.. they are the religious moral authority with the most stable and long lasting empire out of the 4 factions in new Eden. To assume that minmatar are somehow more moral because they are brown and rebellious is preposterous.. no minmatar society is anywhere close to the massive civilization of Amarr. Matari would’ve disintegrated if Amarrians didn’t allow them to work in the empire in exchange for loyalty, beggars can’t be uppity choosers.. every Amarr shot fired at a minmatar is effectively quelling a rebellion. Just look at the ammatar who choose to understand their place in the hierarchy instead of think they’re somehow superior based on nothing.
One word: slavery. Not sure how you can call Amarr "moral authority" when they believe that their god gives them the right to drug and enslave entire civilisations 😉 Matari didn't "work" in the empire lmao.
The Ammatar also didn't "understand their place", they joined the Amarr to protect the Starkmanir from Amarrian led genocide.
Minmatar aren't "superior for nothing", they're the underdogs that led a mass exodus, nuked an entire Amarrian fleet and caused an Empress to commit blasphemy perky to TRY and quell a rebellion. Even sacrificing herself and using stolen tech didn't win the day.
Minmatar are a republic that values people, freedom, and ability. The Amarr are religious zealots, absolutely at peace with the concepts of slavery and genocide (needing drugs to support this "God given right") who failed to quell the smallest race despite their supposed "power".
Hey thanks for the reply! I’m honestly wanting to help you understand that you should separate this game’s depiction of a twisted and very much malicious interpretation of the Catholic Church which in reality attempted to place a moral standard on secular rulers & warlords (who did whatever evil they pleased at the time) in accordance with philosophical and religious VIRTUES that are absolutely noble and some of the best moral principles derived by humans and put into effect. When you say Not sure how you can call Amarr "moral authority" - it’s because they are the only faction that has one.. you carelessly gloss over the fact that insanely rampant capitalism (caldari) exists in game or a “brave new world” style dystopian super state (gallente) or a scattered chaotic band of tribes with little structure or order (minmatar) are anywhere ANYWHERE close to having a set of moral codes for people to follow.
I want to state this as a returned catholic myself and a history nerd, I’m not here trying to convert anyone. It just pains me to see people with such a distorted and malicious view of a network of ultimate charity & care networks across the globe since before hospitals or universities were even a thing.. it was the Protestants that exploited slavery and global domination (British empire/ and French revolutionary governments). Also you clearly omit in every way Islam which actually had a hard time spreading by book & mission so they resorted to military conquest very quickly, the front lines were captured slaves all chained with their privates chopped off yet no mention from the like of your types. The caliphate spread from west Africa to Afghanistan and threatened to enslave Europe so I’m not going to ever apologize that the peace loving church had to find a last resort to defend their people and territories whom they lived. I would love to chat more about this but I’m just taken back by how much you oppose humans living by a moral code and keeping harmful ideas out.. I don’t understand why your atheist and seem to have a moral code, it’s absurd.. if everyone & everything is stardust who cares if people die? Why care?
Such a brainwash and useless input if you are at max speed in some ships and sitting still in others, meanwhile pretending to compare.
Lmao have you watched the HAC series this is based off? I spent weeks in each ship 😂