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**Great Write-up on the History of Sampling in Hip-Hop**
etd.library.vanderbilt.edu/av...[1].pdf
Great write up on the history of sampling in Hip Hop (copy and paste into bar, link may not work directly):
etd.library.vanderbilt.edu/available/etd-07262007-233648/unrestricted/thesis[1].pdf
I remember when this song was released (I was about 11 years-old). I thought it was lame, adult music back then---but I LOVE it now. Great tune!
It was released in 1982.
Michael McDonald recruited some of the greatest LA session musicians of that era on his debut solo album "If That's What it Takes" like Jeff Porcaro, Louis Johnson, Steve Lukather, and Greg Phillinganes.
I played the crap out of this album in my youth. Brings back A LOT of good memories for me. Timeless and CRAFTED for sure. Good analysis and Manny liked it! Thanks for the throwback!
Of course! Its a very nostalgic song.
OK, let's get into some music and compositional theory for "why this sounds good"...
First, let's take the bassline. We're in key of G, but in the minor scale, so focusing on the E as the root. Then bar 9, we move to the C (the 4th of a G maj, or 6th of E minor) via B, setting up the basic hopeful but minor-based feel of the song. We stay on that until bar 14, where we have a funky little movement for the next seven bars, hitting the G, which is the root, the octave E over the root and then moving back to the initial low E. So from a bass perspective, we've got a funky minor groove, which plays off the 6th to give a funky, different the feel.
Then we get the verse guitar part. Again, we're only playing with two notes really, in this case the E and D (in E minor the root and minor 7th, in G the minor 6th and 5th), so we get this minor feel over the E root of the bass. But when the bass moves to the C as the root, with those two notes playing over the top of a C we get the D, which is the suspended second, and the E which is the major 3rd. So through the use of the movement in the bass, and the mostly static two notes on the guitar, we're getting chord tones, which are somewhat more funky and interesting than your standard pop song.
If you head back far enough, you can see similar things in plainsong, back in the 15th century, with a drone note being played, and a melody moving over the top, to create basic two note chords. You get a lot of the same thing with folk music. For instance, if you look at the bagpipes or uilleann (pronounced ill-an) pipes, you get a similar thing. The drone notes (played by the chanter pipes, after the chanters, who would sing the drone in plainsong music) set the stage, whilst the melody gives the feel. So if you listen to something like this th-cam.com/video/P40YOU8ggJk/w-d-xo.html by Catherine Ashcroft & Maurice Dickson, the same melodic techniques from thatsort of folk root, are the same as in a lot of soul and funk like this.
Moving to the chorus, we move to the G, which resovles the minor of the E into the more hopeful major key root. That moves between the G and the A, again highlighting that suspended second feeling, although this time against the G, rather than the C-D we had earlier. The rest of the song keeps hitting the same things, to keep that groove and feeling going.
So from a compositional perspective, the reason this is good is a focus on creating a sound through a few simple melodic tricks, which everything plays to and builds on through having simple chords which emphasise the suspended, minor and major changes. But because that's not being done through actual chords through most of the song, it's compositionally minimalist. So the only way to get that feel is by designing the melodic lines in the guitar, vocals and bass to work together to build that feel.
Some other people who use the same trick are Bach and his contemporaries, where you can hear a comlex version of this in something like the Goldberg Variations BWV 988 Aria. We see the same technique of a simple bassline with relatively simple melody over the top, creating chord tones and a beautiful, simple piece of music.
Pete Watson-Wailes What university do you work at, Pete? 😜 Sweet analysis, thanks!
@@jaybird4093 :p Just a hobby, plus some training over the years. Cheers! Glad you found it useful.
i could almost follow the whole breakdown, but my musical education only goes as far as the 1, 4, 5, the relative minor 6th and diminished 7th chords. This was a great read. Cheers.
I literally have no words Pete.
-JP
GOAT...McD and Patti LaBelle - On My Own!
Jeff Porcaro of Toto fame on drums. Nice selection guys.
Thanks Dean
Love this song, really anything Michael McDonald is in i love. I was born in 1960 and still listening to much of the music you guys are discovering for the first time. It is such a joy to watch your reaction, keep it coming.
One of the few instances, McD was great with Doodie Bros but even better as a solo artist. Fit his style better.
Always been a FAVOURITE! LOVE! ❤️
Unmistakable voice
Absolutely.
Ah shit one of the old =gold rap songs from the 90's seems to have sampled stuff from this song. If you know "Regulate" from Warren G, listen to timestamp: 5:30 onwards.
Michael McDonald was great in the Doobie Brothers.
Michael McDonald used to be in The Doobie Brothers. He also sang on a Steely Dan record. Score 4.0 with the reserved right to increase the score upon further contemplation. Talk about sampling, listen to a Joe Cocker tune called "Woman to Woman" and then say, "Oh my!"
I keep forgettin' we're not in love anymore
I keep forgettin' things will never be the same again
I keep forgettin' how you made that so clear
I keep forgettin'
Everytime you're near
Everytime I see you smile
Hear your "hello"
Saying you can only stay a while
Hey, I know that it's hard for you
To say the things that we both know are true
But tell me how come
I keep forgettin' we're not in love anymore
I keep forgettin' things will never be the same again
I keep forgettin' how you made that so clear
I keep forgettin'
Everytime I hear
How you never want to live a lie
How it's gone too far
And you don't have to tell me why
Why you're gone and the game is through
If this is what's real, if this is what's true
Tell me how come
I keep…
The thing about Michael's voice is that he has a very dark tone quality for such a high voice. He sings in the tenor range but his voice sounds more like a traditional baritone.
Very very true. Never really thought about it like that
Great song. He was with Steely Dan and The Doobie Brothers.
Yes this is a 5 for me as well.
Please check out Who Loves You by Franki Valli and the Four Seasons. I love this song!
Yacht rock? Lol and the shirt is cool
Haha, thanks GT; definitely one of my favorites.
Great song. Great voice. I've always loved it. I was 11 when this came out. 4.8. This is Toto's drummer, and you'll find McDonald on a later Toto track called "I'll Be Over You" which is in this same vein but much, much more of an 80s vibe than 70s vibe.
Thanks Rosen! Didn't know the drummer was the same from Toto; interesting.
This song was on the radio all the time. I would say when I was in my early teens, I never really thought much of this song. Maybe because the song was like a top 40 song, and I preferred songs more with an edge. Today I can certainly appreciate the song more from a musicianship pov. However, I'm at about 3.7 for the song. If you boys like this you'll like the Doobie Brothers. Manny you should check out the song "Listen to the Music". The reason I'm suggesting this song, is to check out the intro guitar riff with the "hammer on" to create the funky groove. Sort of reminded me of what you were doing when you played the guitar on an earlier vid.
Yeah, I love the DB. Funny how this type of "pop" is timeless, but I don't think modern day pop will age the same.
-JP
@@jpmp1201 I with you on that.
IKF is a great freak'n song. This song rocks.
To the older people, it's Michael McDonald and the newer people, it's Warren G!
LOVE MICHAEL MCDONALD!
He was just as good live too. Great music is timeless.
Nice song and yes great production. Top notch musicians plus the great and talented Producer Ted Templeman. I agree that it does hold up because of the slick production. Because I am older I was hearing this way too much on the radio in the 80’s. That doesn’t make it any less of a song just played out to me. Also, I would consider this Soft Rock. 4.0
*Recommendation: Joe Bonamassa Live @ Rockpalast “Takin’ The Hit” ✌🏼
Great song choice.
Great song! Prog Rock recommendation: Garden Party by Marillion!
It's called Artistry!
Nate Dog & the Regulators, baby!
YES!
Try "Angry Eyes" by Loggins & Messina. They are often accused of being Yacht Rock (whatever that is) and has great vocals and instrumentals as well.
Love the Yacht Rock description, basically spot on.
That discussion about sampling and hip-hop makes me hope y’all will talk about the concept of SoundSystems, 1st wave ska, & reggae. Take a look at some really inventive artists like Lee Scratch Perry.
The podcast This Is Rad! has a good Reggae episode. Also, there are some documentaries specifically about Perry, like The Upsetter.
Racism is never "spot on"
Chris-Care to elaborate? 🤨
@@Damiana_Dimock the "yacht rock" description is derogatory. Try stereotyping non-white people and you'll see what I mean. Not getting into an argument with you over this. You asked, and I've answered.
Chris-I feel like it has more to do with class, (the “greed is good” country-club lifestyle of the ‘80s,) but okay. 🤷🏻♀️
Have you guys listened to idles yet? If you do end up listening to them, listen to colossus. That song is an experience.
Manny’s reaction to your description of yacht rock is hilarious. Because you’re 100% correct in defining yacht rock, and the fact that he reacted the way he did is exactly how any one of us people of color would react. It seems like a joke. But it’s not. And regardless of our background, yacht rock is fucking awesome. 🔥🔥🔥
Great reaction, you guys turned me around after you guys declared Joy Division's Love Will Tear Us Apart a "bad" song. Been going through all your content. Good stuff.
Suggestion:
David Byrne and Brian Eno - Strange Overtones
Destroyer - Kaputt
Hahaha, thank you for sticking with us DZ.
-JP
Do you like Michael McDonald's work with the Doobie Brothers? I think today's music is overly synthesized and instrumental prowess is less emphasized. This is why I like music from the 70's as there were more groups with true musicians. If I have to listen to one more song with synthesized clapping or finger snapping I'm going to smash my radio...
Oh I love him with the DB. I think I slightly prefer his solo stuff though.
-JP
Sure doesn’t get any better than michael McDonald, Greg phillinganes, Jeff Porcaro, and Louis johnson!
You said 50 and 60 but rap didn't start till the 80. That's all I think I know.
Hey, hum, could you guys please please, please react to Connie Francis I Will Wait For You please!
Do the live version
Surprised regulate wasn't mentioned straight away
OK...you guys should definitely have bobble heads made!
1 million / 5 for me too
JP - "you still have to be around them in some sense, whether it's going to school, work..."
MP - "another channel"
JP - "right"
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Dude I didn't even notice Manny say that initially :D Hilarious
Could you please listen to Donna Summer's MacArthur Park!? Great Channel!!
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Christopher Cross - Ride like the wind!
Justin..I was listening to Eminem last night and I too got into thinking about sampling,and I swear to you last night I'm thinking well.It had to be because they were poor and couldn't afford instruments or lessons, so I don't know either,but I came up with the same thing you did,that was some twilight zone shit when you said that though but hey we could be wrong,I don't know like you said, it was just a thought
Oh yeah by the way Love the song
Ha that's awesome! I did some research afterwards and couldn't find a ton, but I did find an interesting research paper I linked in the description.
@@jpmp1201 I'll have to check it out
@@brucecampo6543 it's a good read. Thanks for watching Bruce!
The link you provided was broken,but I found this link,I like the graphs they provide, interesting that they said 1972 and 73 were the most sampled years on record,, here's a link I found thefoxmagazine.com/technology/music-sampling-through-time/
In regards to sampling. I think it started more with DJs mixing songs back in the day at dance clubs. I think the power of the synth, to artificially produce grooves and sounds, allowed people to experiment and create music. This may be the smoking gun because, now you can create music without really knowing how to play an instrument from your very own home studio. So it really comes down to technology and software that has made people dumber (for a lack of a better word) I guess.
Precisely. On one hand people can now express themselves musically a lot easier and without having to put the effort into learning an instrument. But...as we see in modern mainstream music, it also dumbs things down immensely overall.
-JP
YACHT ROCK!!!!!
sounds like a made-up racist insult to me
I'm sorry the guy on the left does not take this too serious!! I felt like he totally missed the mark on how awesome this song is!!
2:14.
Short term memory loss is a bitch!
Seether driven under
Patti LaBelle is singing backup
Suggest: Teeth and Tongue, Good Man
Yacht Rock???? Maybe check out Pablo Cruise
maybe check out what is a double standard in racist terms. Yacht rock qualifies.
@@Chris-kj7de Thank you for pointing out that I used a racist term. I was unaware of my underlying racism. Doing some checking, I have discovered that channel 311 on Sirius/XM radio is called Yacht Rock radio. Also on Wikipedia, there is a page on Yacht Rock without the mention of being a racist term. Just thought you may have missed these places and want to notify them. Thank you again.
@@gpeck54 Thank you for responding! I've not heard of Yacht Rock radio and their audience of stereotyped white folk lolling about on their expensive yachts. But if they do talk such nonsense, I think they are wrong to do so, even if they're white themselves. When unflattering or unkind terms are unwittingly introduced as jokes against one race or another it feels wrong to me, and I speak out regardless of ethnicity. We all need acceptance and a lasting, joyful peace. I believe it best we get rid of the "fun" terms that are in fact derogatory, especially when a double standard sits at the core. I hope this makes sense. I don't think you're racist, and wish you good luck in your endeavors.
Can’t get on board with this song. :)
I keep forgetting if I ever liked this. Oh, that’s right, I didn’t. I’ll give a rating of one white bread 🍞 with extra mayo.
Lol! What don't you care for in this song?
Nothing objective. Completely subjective. MM was there when Steely Dan broke up . He was the replacement singer for the Doobie bros. It’s kinda like you’re enjoying a good steak and someone takes it away and gives you spam. I’ve come to terms with Phil Collins...4 very good albums after Gabriel left. Have yet to come to terms with MM. As I said, completely subjective. Pre Mm: th-cam.com/video/udSHItTjWyQ/w-d-xo.html. Post MM: th-cam.com/video/_BsTF22SPyM/w-d-xo.html. Day and night.
I totally understand (I just like hearing different opinions ;) )
-JP
@@sidecardog5244 Yes, he changed the DB's sound when he joined, but not in a bad way IMHO. Some great songs from DB pre AND post MM, why argue? Best of both worlds man!
Where tf is the reaction
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Yacht Rock? Lol........never heard that in my life. In the day I had a 14 Ft Bay Liner with a shitty Chrysler Engine. Oh so funny. I guess I was about 28 when this came out.
It's a put-down term, and not helpful to either side in the push toward racial harmony (no pun intended). Double standards never work.