Can a Fighter Pilot Win vs. A.I. Enemy DOGFIGHT in DCS?
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A former F-16 fighter pilot battles an AI adversary in an aerial dogfight. With the AI predicting his every move, can he outmaneuver the computer? Will the training be enough to defeat the machine?
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Intro - 0:00
Battle Damage Check- 1:00
Advanced Handling 2:30
AI Assessment - 5:40
Offensive Dogfight - 8:15
High Aspect Dogfight - 9:53
Surprise Enemy - 15:50
Win a real jet flight 21:08
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you must dogfight this guy "growling sidewinder" he is a beast at DCS, he already dogfighted a Rafale pilot please make it happen !
That’s like asking a real spec ops soldier to battle against an air soft wannabe. Pointless…
He's a beast so is Longshot. Great DCS players. He will play him also. Idk how but he plays alot more then just the content he puts up.
@@HAWKSTA24 Huh?? Literally not pointless. There are many airsoft events that vets and even spec ops guys attend. Pilots also use sims in their training. They dont just throw them into an F22 and say 'This is what these buttons do, this is the throttle, have fun'. Is it completely realistic? no, its SIMULATES it. There are still benefits to using sims.
@@HAWKSTA24 clearly you don't watch GS or just flat out don't know of him. Also you must be real fun at parties if that's how you act towards something that's supposed to be entertaining... 🙄
@@Acepilot235 clearly I do know who he is and the the fact that you think he’s the best ever at video games shows your age. Yes I’m fun at parties, just ask your mom. 🤷🏻♂️
From all the armchair pilots, thank you for giving us a feel of how it compares. Thanks for all the excellent content!
Glad you liked it, cheers!
Yes, seconding the thank you. Most of us will never experience the real thing and this is the closest we’ll get. It’s great to know what tracks with real life and what doesn’t :)
Was just thinking that
Thanks 😊 I'd love to see you fight with the F16 against a Mirage 2000c with also a fighter pilot in it.
Maybe Até if you know his channel?
@Combatography you do know they same thing will happen in real life too right?
Just some tips:
As mentioned the big elephant in the room for simulators is lack of force feedback. To mitigate this, as much as one can reasonably expect, DCS attempts to enhance feedback by routing it to the other senses. I suggest using some earbuds or some headphones as you can hear the airflow change as your AOA increases, switches click super loud, etc. As you've probably noticed buffeting shakes the screen since you can't feel it. I also suggest magnifying head movements in the face tracking software if that's an option. With my set up head movements are exaggerated with a bit of smoothing so I can keep my eyes on the monitor.
Hope some of that helps with the transition.
Or get a buttkicker/other bass shaker. Does make a huge difference.
And the sound of the pilot breathing when pulling g’s is a very big plus. Makes it immersive
Simshaker for Aviators + a transducer will transform your DCS experience, if you haven't tried it already. Getting it set up right will take some effort, but it's worth it.
Worked on the VR T-38C trainers that the USAF uses for training and got to try the OFT. The difference in control forces and throttle range of motion were stark compared to desktop setups. Was vastly easier to fly with precision in the OFT and the VR setups with their stronger sticks than on my home setup.
@@JSmith73 Shimshakers are propbably best thing that home-simmer can get to have awareness of G-state.
I am actually waiting that someone would implement a small electricity feed to be given to feel it differently from the wrist or something.
Some people even have a same thing as driving simulators has, the seat belts will have motors to tighten you to seat based G forces.
Nothing serious is required, but having a belt that would gently tighten based G would likely create excellent awareness for G forces.
But I think I would prefer that electroid thing, as it would give a gentle voltage to your arm/abdomen (that is used in various healtcare massage devices etc) that would really let you feel the "discomfort" when pulling high G and understand it far better.
Always nice to have a real world fighter pilot making DCS content. Very insightful for us enthusiasts…just a heads-up, when loading in a pre 2.7 mission it will have very ugly low res clouds…just so you know when editing these with one of the presets available in the mission editor, the clouds will be much much better compared to this!
I've only been playing the sim for a few weeks but had thought the terrible clouds were because of my graphics settings. As I choose the instant action, cold and dark option is this classed as an old mission? I'll mission edit my own practice missions if that's the case
@@davenottingham3254 yes most instant actions are old and have the crappy clouds. Im not completely sure if you can click on mission planner for the instant actions. But if so you can change the preset there. Otherwise you can create your own simple missions.
@@ramtin-s8722 Thats great to know. I'm a complete novice so mainly practicing my navigation and air to ground attacks on things that don't fight back so making my own little missions won't be too hard.
Does that also apply to the ai? Since they got much better at dogfighting and bvr after 2.7
@@diegoruiz7600 no, ai is the new version in everything beyond 2.8
I had a guy who used to fly F-16 A way back in the day fly my full size Simpit with high-res VR (4k each eye) and was blown away. He did think the sustained turn at corner was not quite right and was wondering what you thought of how well the nose rate was and how long the clean jet would sustain the high G turn? Thanks for the very interesting content.
At 2:02 it’s great to see with what kind of confidence he moves the stick, exactly like he does in a real jet. I think that’s what let’s you know how good a sim it is, that it just seems normal to him
The stick is one of the biggest differences to the real jet.
The original is a force sensing stick, with only a tiny amount of movement. His joystick has a gimbel. ;)
If you're new to DCS the one channel I always recommend is a guy called Bogey Dope. He's a retired crew chief for the F-16. His videos are just so good. Knowing the real jet, like you, gives you such a leg up on the rest of us mere mortals. Simple things like what the aircraft does during the BIT. All the control surfaces move, valves open and close, etc. When DCS revamped the BIT he reviewed it step by step. "that's too long...the flaps move more...the nozzle iris's closed more slowly..." it's fascinating. But when he gives a tutorial, he shows every binding you must have and the easiest way in DCS to mimick the real thing. Well worth a sub. Good luck in your DCS career. It's not the real thing, just the closest you can get.
Thank you very much for the video! We definitely need more DCS content 😉 It would be very nice to see some videos of you flying with or against Growling Sidewinder, he's a very experienced virtual pilot
Totaly want to see that!
Ahan there it goes my man
Growling Sidewinder is so entertaining and informative. It would be cool to see Hasard and GS face-off!
yes to this!
Would love to see you go against Growling Sidewider
Second this, reminds me of him dogfighting the Rafale pilot, awesome.
"It kinda looks like he's still alive... Says he's destroyed though"
I think you hit the cockpit. So even though the aircraft itself is fine, the pilot is dead. Usually what it means when the enemy aircraft just stops fighting back like that and there's no ejection.
Great comparison. As a private pilot, the cues you get from the forces are so important for visual situational awareness so it was great to see you notice the missing cues in the sim that make such a big difference to real flight.
Awesome video, would be interesting to see it with VR and no labels
My setup isn't good enough for high def VR. Didn't know I could turn off labels
@@HasardLee Yes, in settings, you can change it to just be a dot or no labels at all. Relies on having to visually ID the target as well, adding another layer of realism
@@HasardLee I have a 2060, i7 3700k and a quest 2.. and it runs pretty good. What are your pc specs? The one good thing about having a channel is you can get lots of input from other users.
@@HasardLee things have improved with the multithreading update. To get the best experience though, you would need the latest Graphics card and CPU, etc
Amazing video! As an F-16 Crew Chief this is a very good explanation as to why we fix these aircraft, its a lot more that goes into it that we dont get to see or experience. Keep it up Hasard!
What I find particularly impressive is despite the various moments in the vid where the headtracking kind of spazzes out Hasard barely missed a beat, never complained, barely even blinked.
He did complain not being able to lock the target up with the radar…but so did the rest of the DCS community 😄. Correct-as-is
need to see a dogfight vs growling sidewinder
Hey man you should look into getting a VR set if you're gonna be playing DCS. I think it helps a lot for keeping tally since it feels a lot more natural than having to relearn how to look at something via the Track IR. Plus I think depth perception makes a massive difference as well. Cool video though, hope to see more content! Welcome to DCS!
Content creators tend to favor head tracking over VR because it's easier to make good looking videos.
@@takeoffwithjakesoft I think it also eliminates the extra inertia you have to deal with having a 4lb goggle set on your face. You also have to physically turn your head 180° to check your 6 with a headset.
@@spoilerboy4026 and he would have an 8lb helmet with a HMD hanging off his head at 9 GS so yeah I don’t think a 2-4 lb vr headset matters much
Wow, that SU-27 gunshot was awesome as well as that MIG-29 fox kill. I thought those would never hit. Thank you very much for this awesome video!
This was AWESOME hasard! Thank you so much for your POV as a fighter pilot!
I'm really looking forward to seeing you take on some of the human DCS pilots! I've really been enjoying learning the F-16 in DCS myself and good to hear it's reasonably realistic.
Thanks for doing this Hasard, it's really cool to see a real life fighter pilot do DCS. I play DCS a lot, so it's really great to see this.
So awesome. Happy new year dude. Thanks for this!
I have a few hundred hours in DCS world, and it’s just so fun to have something that isn’t an arcade game. To see and use so many features of a fast jet. The challenge of remembering what it all does. Obviously it’ll never compare, but did you find it fun? Would you hop on and play for fun if you had the time? Amazing video, cool to see and hear you explain what you’re doing.
Wow that was amazing thanks for the opportunity to experience a little of what you guys do. I usually do not get motion sickness but that did effect me that was really cool. Thanks again Hasard.
That’s awesome, your book drops the day before my birthday, & of all topics, the different areas of thinking, I’ve been bouncing from podcast to podcast, book to book, learning as much as I can possibly about the way I think & trying to find better ways of doing it. Thank you, will be purchasing! Great birthday gift
Finally! I'm so happy to see this! I love hearing real feedback from an actual pilot for DCS! Flying the sim is the closest I can get to experiencing my dream!
Very cool to watch an actual pilot of my favorite jet as a kid do some of this. Thanks for putting it on here
Awesome video, thanks for your unique perspective!
A thing that can be done for DCS to greatly enhance the immersion is to install a transducer, and set up Simshaker for Aviators. You then get the feeling of buffeting, landing gear, speed brake and such - obviously I have no reference point for what it's meant to feel like, but I do feel like I'm flying "blind" if I forget to turn it on before a flight. (I have a 8020 profile quad screen sim rig / workstation.)
Nice, would be interesting to see his thoughts on flight model of Falcon 4.0 BMS. Seem to be getting more traction among die hards.
Agreed. Encoding a sound of the wings buffeting & airspeed to infer vs looking could at least be an option.
I like positive comarisions to real flying like this, instead of telling us how unrealistic it is. Thank you sir.
Thank you a lot for the video!
Maybe you should play with the axis tuning to tune the curves of axis as you like. There is the button "Axis Tune" for that center down of the config window and then the Curvature slide.
Some (real?) pilots claimed that the F-16 in DCS is very wobbly in the feeling and not so responsive (especially for the pitch) ; unless you use an expensive force sensor joystick (like the RealSimulator FSSB R3L force sensing base).
So some players crank up the middle of the axis doing like a S-shape to force the middle to be extra responsive.
For a better simulation, you may want to look at Falcon BMS. It's better in term of simulation for the F-16, but also outside of the F-16 for example for dynamic weathers, clouds affecting lasers and IR missiles, data cartridge, ATC/pattern, solo dynamic campaign packages/missions generated, a smart scaling for far objects to proper see airplanes to compensate the tiny limiting pixels of the screen ....
This is awesome to see. All I ever wanted was to fly but life didn't work out that way so seeing a real viper pilot saying they've done a good job of the sim makes all the effort to learn the systems worth it. I think I'm years away from taking another player on, let alone an actual fighter pilot but I'm loving my time working up to it!!
Great to see you playing DCS! Would love to see a full cold start and takeoff before a dogfight or bombing - to hear your thoughts through the entire process.
There's a video on Ward Carroll's channel called "Real F-14 Pilot Flies the DCS Tomcat" that includes preflight that you might enjoy
Been looking forward for this, thank you for showing us how it is done. Maybe some A to G missions in the future?
That was a great video. Definitely entertaining and learned a lot by watching you fly. Definitely going to watch this a few more times.
Outstanding! I've be interested to see what F16 DCS landings and Refueling is like from the perspective of a real world Fighter Pilot! Keep up the great work and content!
I'd love to see that! I was hoping to see him land after the dogfights
Mover said refueling is easier in real life than in DCS
@@yolkiandeji7649 I saw/heard that the other day! I'll not be trying to learn that for a while!!
awesome video!! glad to hear that you had fun. its always interesting to hear a pilots perspective.
That was pretty awesome sir. Thank you for your service.
One thing that really helps me with "other" feel inputs is I have two transducers installed - one on the bottom and one on the back of the ejection seat. Using the program Simshaker it gives a bit of vibration feel to the simpit for buffeting.
Amen! It has greatly improved my experience of DCS - even letting me know when I've forgotten to retract my airbrake after a restock etc. Wouldn't fly without.
nice, excited to see some more DCS action from you
Better tuning of the head tracking or going all out and getting a track ir 5 will help a ton. That way you don't have to turn your head as much to turn your head more in cockpit.
Been expecting this for long time , thanks Hasard
Would love to see you & Growling Sidewinder go head to head & then also how beautiful it would be to watch you two work together against a larger number of adversaries.
i watch alot of pilots fly DSC, this was the most informative and enjoyable one so far. Amazing job, good information and clear explanations of knowledge. Thanks for an amazing video !
Fantastic video, really great commentary and wonderful delivery. Just subscribed to your channel and very excited about your book coming out. Clear thinking is a fascinating subject, looking forward to reading your book. Thank you for your service, keep up the great work and God Bless.
The AI in DCS tend to avoid high AoA situations unless leading a gun shot. They tend to stay around their best Ps, which makes them very predictable and prone to exploits. It doesn't help that the flight model they are using is often a LOT different then the one the human player is using, so it's fairly easy for them to never lose any energy while turning. The only thing they seem to be somewhat proficient at is jinking, and they would do this until they run out of fuel. As you yourself noticed, they will do absolutely nothing to break a status quo.
Fantastic. It was great you had some fun in DCS. It was very interesting to watch you patiently work your way to the elbow and use roll to quickly change lift vector. Wait until you try this in VR with a decent VR headset. There are various hardware addons (Buttkicker, FlightSeat) to give some tactile feedback for buffet etc. I'm sure you'll have a very long line of online challengers - that's a very great initiative for DCS folks to flight online against a real Viper pilot. Best wishes for 2023 and success with your book. Thanks for the videos you've been making.
I noticed that too when he was using roll to get angles. In fact, I stopped and played that part back and really paid attention because it's something I haven't been doing - I'm always trying to get angles the hard way. All part of HL just sort of hanging back, waiting for the AI pilot to make a mistake.
@@effsixteenblock50 That's great you learned something. I always rolled to put my lift vector where I predicted the enemy would go, as well as pulling minimum G to get to the 'elbow' a position trailing the enemy fighter. This is much better than pulling hard G to get around a circle (although sometimes that's unavoidable). I enjoyed watching Hazard's technique (Confirmation Bias, I suppose :) ). Good luck with your dogfighting and excellent to hear you studied the battle thoroughly. Don't forget to use the TacView tool as well in your own fights.
@@staubsauger2305 Thanks for the time & encouragement! I've watched several more videos and something just clicked - this particular stuff is dependent on flying in lag pursuit. The reason these moves haven't happened for me is that I've mostly been flying lead or pure pursuit. What's funny is that I should know better - I learned the concepts of when to be in which pursuit but I had been allowing myself to become a victim of "target fixation". In fact, that way I was flying before, in a RL scenario, I would be killing myself (and the plane) with constant high G maneuvering. Now to implement! Thanks again!
@@effsixteenblock50 Yes, fly lag pursuit (energy-conserving) to get to the control zone behind the enemy jet (called 'the elbow' because if you represent jets with your hands you want to be where the elbow is behind one jet). Once you are there you are hard to shake off and can then transition to pure or lead pursuit, cashing in energy to take a shot. Enjoy the videos with this in mind. Best of luck.
Youre the mam Hazard. Thanks for the vids, telling us regular folk how it is to fly jets.
Love your channel
Great content! Thx for sharing
Oh man he's doing DCS! Horray!!
Thanks for sharing your perspective. Always good to hear a real pilots thoughts on DCS. Would love to see you do a fight in VR so we can hear you strain twist, strain, and grunt.
Looking forward to seeing you take on Growling Sidewinder!
I would love to see you try VR, for me it adds so much and is immersive. Also try ‘dot neutral’ labels, it makes spotting a little easier without making it too easy
i mainly paid attention to the face and control cams, loved seeing some of his muscle memory kick in. head tilting up while having his eyes locked on the screen, the constant throttle adjustments and stick input. very cool. i wonder if he'd like using track IR or VR sometime.
I really wanna know too, but I suspect its an eyetracker system
priceless, tx Mr Lee
Great stuff! I rocked that HOTAS setup for a while. Honestly, I don't see much reason to upgrade the stick atm. But I did just get the Winwing Orion 2 with finger lifts. What a game changer. I'm actually here wondering what the consensus is on the AI in BFM. I think it's funny that the issue here was they don't attempt closure and maintain constant burner. With the current AI iteration, I feel like it almost always ends up in a flat scissor on the deck with me. Doesn't matter if they're a "trained" Hornet, or an "ace" flanker.
I've had DCS for 6 years. Awesome to see👌
This was sick ❤ please do more 😊
@Hasard Lee - Doing this again in VR would be a game changer for you. Nice flying regardless.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
Winwing's F16 stick has a vibration motor, it kind of helps "feel" buffeting etc. It has helped me a lot in DCS.
This is perfect. I was thinking lately how an experienced simmer would do against a real f16 pilot. Please make a video
this is the content i’ve been looking for
US fast-jet pilots are really in their own class with their training, such great awareness and intution. Kudos from UK.
The reflexes on that first kill were pretty serious.
Awesome! Growling Sidewinder and yourself would be a great collaboration!
Good to see how much can be simulated realistically. And good work on the AI.
You should definetly do some missions or dogfight Growling Sidewinder, I think it would be pretty cool to see that
That's so dope, you can see how he's used to sitting in a F-16!
I didn't even see how you killed the last guy. You must've got just enough tone to let off that Aim-9 high offsite. Well done.
one thing I see vs my sim flying is how unhurried and relaxed you make it look - the manouevers all look quite gentle!
Finally!! And great choice of hardware to get started. You need to bring it lower though. Can't see the rudder pedals though. That's just for the intro.
battle damange check was very interesting never heard of this before makes a lot of sense.
I'd love to see you dogfight someone like @growling sidewinder, be super cool to watch!
Hey Hasard! Good video. I'd love to take you up on the offer of a little BFM, either in the Viper or asymmetrically in a Tomcat. Looking forward to it!
Great content! I would love to see you competing with a more serious rig (vr and a proper hotas - look for Winwing F-16 hotas). Keep up the good work!
Hello man! Great respect to you for being a real F-16 pilot. One question to you regarding DCS. How many seconds at 9G did you have to stay in the centrifuge G strain training in order to be able to fly the Falcon? As far as I know, you must be able to withstand 9G constantly for 15 seconds or so. At least from what I could see on youtube regarding F-16 pilots centrifuge trials. Have you ever counted how many seconds it takes for the pilot to black out completely in DCS? I did! 6 seconds or so at 9G. Some smartass well tell you that you must do some high G maneuvers in DCS in order for the pilot to "heat up" or something and be able to hold the G for more seconds before blacking out. Well..., even if you do that the result still shows that our virtual pilot fully blacks out in less than 10 seconds at 9G no matter if he sits in the 33 degrees aft tilted seat like the F-16 has or a more straight seat like other fighters have. It's simply ZERO difference. So that's a simulation issue already cause it makes no difference to that. And another simulation issue is that if you start flying (pilot not heated up for holding G's longer) directly pulling and holding some 7.9Gs (mathematically below 8Gs), although the screen will become almost fully black, the pilot never blacks out and eventually that very rudimentary simulated strengthening of the pilot over time to sustain more Gs will make the screen getting more and more lit up until you will be turning forever at 7.9Gs and never black out.
There is one fighter planes simulator called BMS Falcon which was the pinnacle of correctly simulating the F-16's flight model and flight behavior and performances which truly reflects the G-loc effect very very correct. The G-loc has a well and more correctly defined function of time versus G values that produce a G-loc than the rudimentary one in DCS. At 6Gs you can last X seconds and still get a G-loc. At 7Gs less time and so on with an exponentially decreasing time to G-loc as the G linearly increases. Can you, as a real pilot who passed the G training tests be able to reach and talk to the guys at Eagle Dynamics to solve this problem and make the G loc simulation more correct? Me and many others have tried telling them that the pilot blacks out way too quickly at 9G or never blacks out at 7.9G, but they won't believe us, except if we were real pilots and could provide stronger proof. You could be of a great help for this subject. Greatly appreciate your effort:). Keep it up with nice DCS content as in this video here.
Hi Hansard, love your work. Yes absolutely I’d like to do some BFM with you in DCS. Many thanks Steve
This is how I feel in the woods with people. Checks and balances, real woods.
Hi Hasard,
Very nice video! Glad to see you enjoyed DCS or atleast thats the impression i get. :)
The offer to fly or fight against you is very interesting to me. I have a nice amount of hours in DCS MiG-21bis and I would love to see if i have a chance against you in my old piece of junk from 60s.
Thanks!
would love to see you try the F-16 in BMS one day
Love hearing a review from a real fighter pilot! I would love to dogfight sometime. I am still relatively new to this myself. I started out on the f16 as well. Currently on F18 lol
Super cool having rl fighter pilots do dcs vids. I've worked on vipers most of me AF carrer as an egress guy. spent a ton of time on the ROK as well. keep up the vids!
That first kill was sooo clean.
Bro I gotta get your book you're a pilot still flying and a gamer now how cool is that? Freaking gnarly.
When I look for hardcover it says there is a pre-order but does that mean that the audiobook isn't available or is the audiobook available before the hardcover?
I would love to see a co op with you and growling sidewinder (TH-cam channel). He’s made another video against another actual former fighter pilot and it was my favorite video he’s put out.
Would have thought a high res VRQ headset would make this whole setup so much more intuitive for anyone, but especially an experienced real world pilot. Given all the controls are on the HOTAS, being able to track with your actual head position would be best.
Thanks for the video! Would love to see some BVR engagements!!
This was awesome!
Happy New Year!
FANTASTIC Vid!!! What is the Head-Tracking Setup
you are using and how can I get it?
Please advise and thanks
omg, hasard V Growling Sidewinder would be epic, cant wait to see more DCS content !!
Hi Hasard. Very cool to watch while you explain what's happening. I was just wondering what kind of head tracking you are using? I use Track IR, but that requires an emitter to be mounted on your head somewhere. I've tried a couple of others but nothing that is strait up just observing your motions. I'll dog fight you if given the chance. I'm not great but I will happily eat the ground and use it as a learning tool. And thank for your service to our amazing country.
Growling Sidewinder would love to have you on his channel. He’s a great teacher of DCS and would benefit from your input. He’s had fighter pilots (French Rafael) in a BFM and emphasized how aggressive he was.
Some people on reddit said not to follow his videos and to follow others as he didn't know what he was on about. I avoided them for a while but in the last few days I've learnt tons of useful stuff from his channel. Thought that was pretty strange
@@davenottingham3254 yeah, you really have to see for yourself.
@@davenottingham3254 some simpletons have commented on his channel "that’s it? All you do is go around in a circle??"
@@phillm156 Must be a jealousy thing because his content all seems well produced, to the point and really helpful. I'm subscribed now
@@phillm156 well i mean at the root that is kinda it you are basically just going around in a circle trying to get your nose on them
That looked fun!
I would ask for Star Citizen dogfighting videos cause that's the game I play, but since it's spaceships with limited aerodynamics simulation in atmo with some bugs and lags I don't think that's gonna happen.
Great video! What kind of head tracking devise are you using ?
This was very entertaining to watch
Hi Lee, thanks for the video and your informations! I rly love tthose videos and would love to see more. What Headtracking do u use? Greets 🤙
Would love to see you do some air to air refueling and give some pointers to those of us who struggle with it
Awesome video! Some good headtracking would be massively advantageous. Cheers!
What is the music that is playing during the dogfight at around 6:43ish starts a little before but i cant find any listing of the music?