Sonic Stories Suck Now :(

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  • @Cybershell13
    @Cybershell13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4786

    Sonic Adventure 2 is the greatest story ever told, I mean remember "Because you just told me, fox-boy"??? It doesn't get better than that. Here's hoping the next Sonic game can take itself seriously.

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +566

      and who could forget "we all did it TOGETHER!!" ???
      (love your stuff btw :>

    • @Blorb12
      @Blorb12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Same here cyber

    • @HyperSonicXtreme
      @HyperSonicXtreme 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Because Shiro Maekawa did the writing for Sonic Adventure 2. When Sonic Colors came out they got new writers from Happy Tree Friends and the stories got kid friendly. Tails was brave in Adventure 1 and fought Eggman by himself and defused a bomb without Sonic. He didn't give up when he fought Eggman when he thought Sonic died from the exploding capsule. Now Forces Tails is weak. Ken Pontac
      & Warren Graff ruined Sonic Tails and Shadow.

    • @Mr-Cough
      @Mr-Cough 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My toe nails are turning green

    • @Supermariorpg6
      @Supermariorpg6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@Jacadamia Sonic and The Black Knight has a good story too-- and the moral is very inspirational.

  • @recorderdude
    @recorderdude 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1899

    TH-cam is starting to spread this and I'm glad it is, it's wonderfully stated. Even though Modern Sonic's writers think it has to be endlessly self-deprecating to survive the "fans", letting characters exist in their own world and showing genuine emotion isn't just nostalgic, it's why Sonic Fans are so dedicated to begin with.

    • @inendlesspain4724
      @inendlesspain4724 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Oh yeah, the "fans" who nitpick about everything when "reviewing" the games. The "fans" who do nothing but repeat like a parrot the same cheesy quotes from the games and pretend that's all there is to their stories. The "fans" who claim that Sonic was never good because the series is "fundamentally flawed". Those are the kind of "fans" who Sega seems to want to please right now.

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@inendlesspain4724 I think he means the fans who want BOTH GOOD gameplay AND story. They also want multiple playable characters, originality, challenge, longer levels, creativity and amazing music.

    • @inendlesspain4724
      @inendlesspain4724 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@tiruliru1189 What I was trying to say is that Sega isn't trying to please those kinds of fans like they should; the people who actually care about the series and loved it the way it was and want it to be genuine once again, instead of endlessly self-deprecating, which is why I say "fans" throughout my comment.

    • @ajhurtado5940
      @ajhurtado5940 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wasn't expecting to see you here dude!

    • @CanterlotCrusader
      @CanterlotCrusader 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      At least we have the comics.

  • @CodinskiSchwartzando
    @CodinskiSchwartzando 3 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    “I found you, faker!”
    “Faker? I think you’re the fake hedgehog around here!”
    “I’ll make you eat those words!”
    Poetry.

    • @Nobodyshere1105
      @Nobodyshere1105 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sonic
      Shadow
      Sonic
      Is that the order?

  • @SXR123_YT
    @SXR123_YT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2244

    I will never forget when eggman held Amy hostage at gunpoint, outsmarted Tails and nearly blew up Sonic for real.
    FUCK do I miss when Eggman had a brain. When he was a mad scientist who wanted to build the eggman empire, not a theme park. When he had a plan beyond: "Wake up big bad monster guy only for it to inevitably turn on me." or "Here's my new big bad robot. I'mma try and smash you with it now, seeing how well that's worked for me the last 12 times."
    I miss when Knuckles could do 9 + 10 in his head and not get 21. When he had responsibilities and a personality beyond "I'm loud punchy guy now. Also my IQ dropped about 50 points."
    And god, do I miss when Sonic was just a guy that loved adventure. Who loved the planet that was as cool and blue as he was. Where he was confident and cool but still had those real moments where even he had his doubts.
    Hopefully he'll make a comeback sometime in the future... for now, I guess I'll take what I can get.

    • @SLIDD_DDILS
      @SLIDD_DDILS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      Well youre in luck, as Ken Pontac has reportedly stopped writing for the series

    • @SXR123_YT
      @SXR123_YT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@SLIDD_DDILS yaaaaaay

    • @macuma5533
      @macuma5533 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@SLIDD_DDILS We give too much responsability to that guy, he wasn't in charge of writing the games plot, only the english dialogue

    • @lostgem8225
      @lostgem8225 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@SLIDD_DDILS AW YEAH NOW THIS IS HAPPENIN

    • @stop5997
      @stop5997 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@macuma5533 No every game after colors and maybe even colours was written by him and you should watch the Japanese version of colours cutscenes because they are a lot less cringy

  • @youreverydayace9768
    @youreverydayace9768 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1724

    Man, Tails was actually my first comfort character as a kid. I was, and still am, a really emotional and timid person. Seeing him butchered so much in Forces absolutely was DEVASTATING.

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +152

      What SEGA did to Tails was purely EA level of assholery.

    • @youreverydayace9768
      @youreverydayace9768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      @@tiruliru1189 PREACH MY GUY

    • @RexxiToon
      @RexxiToon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      I BELIEVE IN ***tails supremacy***

    • @artistanthony1007
      @artistanthony1007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@tiruliru1189 MATE! Sega is just a publisher, they dont write anything.

    • @vivimos_en_una_sociedad7758
      @vivimos_en_una_sociedad7758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Tf is a comfort character

  • @lightbulbhoodie3861
    @lightbulbhoodie3861 3 ปีที่แล้ว +325

    Everyone: "sonic's been tortured for months!"
    Sonic: "heh chillidogs!"

  • @Xploshi
    @Xploshi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +954

    Speeds the name sonic’s my game

    • @hollowgab6531
      @hollowgab6531 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Ah yes Xploshi your videos make me feel something...
      I dont know what but i know is something

    • @godape6872
      @godape6872 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ayo its xploshi i love that soul video

    • @KlidesCorneroftheInternet
      @KlidesCorneroftheInternet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ayyy, Xploshi!

    • @Maukiki
      @Maukiki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wait isnt that GetMadz’s commen-

    • @DigitalAce
      @DigitalAce 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh no

  • @polkadi
    @polkadi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    People have a lot of favourite moments in Sonic, but I have a really small thing that shows how genuine Sonic stories were.
    At the end of the Team Sonic story in Sonic Heroes, Sonic looks back on the Egg Fleet he teared through with his friends, feeling cocky at the victory. But Knuckles chimes in, teasingly saying that Sonic was scared and needed his friends to survive. So, Sonic admits that he did need his friends and then thanks Knuckles, who is completely taken aback by the unexpected reply.
    it's so friggin *precious*
    i want those moments back, man

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      yeah those little moments are what made those games so endearing and sweet :')

  • @WeeklyTubeShow2
    @WeeklyTubeShow2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +540

    Sure, Adventure fans are old and jaded now, but when the next generation becomes old and jaded, they'll just find what those people are jaded about to be funny.
    Just know it gets better.

    • @GrianyBunch
      @GrianyBunch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What does jaded mean?

    • @ler0848
      @ler0848 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ArcadiaFanDX I knew that

    • @spongytrout7462
      @spongytrout7462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ler0848 he wasn’t talking to you

    • @Josuh
      @Josuh 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GrianyBunchdid you figure this out

    • @destroyerofworlds4663
      @destroyerofworlds4663 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GrianyBunch “Tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm”

  • @ceoofceos5219
    @ceoofceos5219 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1180

    Thank you for acknowledging that Colors actually tried.

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +270

      Colors is honestly one of my favorites, love that game :)

    • @bearboy.
      @bearboy. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@Jacadamia you are so underrated it hurts

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      @@Jacadamia I hate to say it, but I agree. As much as I dislike Colors' comedy routine, I will give this game credit for not completely ruining the lore. I just hated the comedy.

    • @Nimbvs04
      @Nimbvs04 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Colors is my favorite sonic game

    • @angrycinnabon2956
      @angrycinnabon2956 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Jacadamia colors is the one game I want ported to any platform more than anything else.

  • @GetMadz
    @GetMadz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5898

    Sonics the name,
    Speeds his game,
    but now he kinda lame :(

    • @marthienenicole8641
      @marthienenicole8641 4 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      That do be true doe

    • @bwwwaaanator1544
      @bwwwaaanator1544 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@marthienenicole8641 u got that right

    • @KAYBUGHEROINE
      @KAYBUGHEROINE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      madz be spittin fax

    • @sbtgal
      @sbtgal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Madz!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @sbtgal
      @sbtgal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Good rhyme

  • @PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth
    @PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    6:53
    There's a reason why Sonic remained unchanged:
    I spoke with one of the developers of Sonic Lost World a few years back (he was teaching a course on game design), and he shared some important insight into how SEGA operates. He said all throughout the game's development, whenever they came up with an idea, they'd have to run it by a "Sonic Council" in Japan. This group would decide whether the idea was on-brand for Sonic, and it went down to the tiniest gameplay details. At once point they had Sonic boost through a tunnel to collect rings, and that got shot down as not being something Sonic "did." Weirder still, they were really flaky about stuff, often changing their minds weeks after an idea had been worked on or canned. (Including the aforementioned tunnel idea.)
    I therefore wouldn't be surprised if that same Sonic Council forbade the developers from doing anything interesting with Sonic, as doing so would clash with the brand's image.

    • @yesiamrussian
      @yesiamrussian 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      was this the reason for sonic forces?

    • @bluemike1215
      @bluemike1215 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@yesiamrussian sonic forces had 1 year to be developed(they were too focused on making the engine)

    • @user-of9qq9uq5k
      @user-of9qq9uq5k 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same w hyper sonic in frontiers

    • @stormfall1130
      @stormfall1130 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@user-of9qq9uq5k wait, where did you get that info?

  • @Boostifer
    @Boostifer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +507

    This is perfect. Straight up. No jaded, cynical mean spirited response made to bring anyone down or make yourself look like some sorta saint who knows what the franchise should be.
    Just a guy talking about his experiences and how he wishes it was the same.

  • @SonicHaXD
    @SonicHaXD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1949

    This went from super hilarious to super emotional. 10/10 I will always love Sonic XD

    • @azreal_yt
      @azreal_yt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ok same

    • @arivibin3318
      @arivibin3318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I see I am not alone ha XD
      Now for MegaMan fans to admit that as well qwp

    • @KAYBUGHEROINE
      @KAYBUGHEROINE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sonic has gone downhill

    • @Princy_K
      @Princy_K 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Again, Hello Guilmon.

    • @knux7468
      @knux7468 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KAYBUGHEROINE you're missing the point

  • @YowLife
    @YowLife 3 ปีที่แล้ว +274

    It's about time someone brought up the tired storytelling crutch of "Sarcastic self-aware humor" that plagues modern shows and especially reviewers.
    I am very sick of it as it's just lazy writing.

    • @kmomo5697
      @kmomo5697 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yeah…..

    • @Archabolt
      @Archabolt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I agree it's fun to a point, but when everyone does it gets old. I miss the daring story writing, it cops out into just another slice of life story with very little consequence. I was disappointed in shows like Overlord that start strong that get bogged down with filler and 1st world problems. I was disappointed that that the devil is a part-timer teased, but never went any deeper.
      As a writer I can see why it's an easy trap to fall into, it's easier to write when the stakes are low.

    • @jwx9509
      @jwx9509 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      "No copyright law in the universe can stop me"
      Why does this line need to exist?

    • @kryssenrobinson7592
      @kryssenrobinson7592 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@jwx9509 For memes. Search that line and you will get memes. It's what they wanted, it's all they are nowadays.

    • @quit3118
      @quit3118 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jwx9509 I need some advice
      I am also a writer
      I wanna write a Sonic fanfiction
      A good one
      But I’m scared that it will end up bad
      I love writing, I just get scared of things ending up bad
      I need advice on writing
      (I’m 15)

  • @AmirPrinceling
    @AmirPrinceling 4 ปีที่แล้ว +658

    Something that has always really bugged me with media in general these days is the fear of showing "actual emotion." As you said, that trend of having to be "ironic" and "self-aware" is pretty prevalent. It seems many are scared of writing or making something that'll be labeled as "cringy" which is why they feel the need to be as ironic and self-deprecating as possible. For me, I love games with a good, emotional, somewhat cheesy story. I find it considerably harder to enjoy a story that is constantly trying to be quirky and not take itself seriously. Why even try and tell a story if you don't even try in the first place? Just feels like hollow and empty filler.

    • @gitafff
      @gitafff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This Human being wrote a paragraph for a comment there on x games mode

    • @keeb8088
      @keeb8088 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      lmao actual good storytelling and heart is so CRINGE

    • @ziggykatz12
      @ziggykatz12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Well, it may very well be empty, if the director or actors don’t have passion for the story for whatever reason. Maybe it’s fear of cringe, maybe they got mad the ending wasn’t how they liked, or most likely, some internal financial squabble made them just say “screw this film, I’ll just do my lines and go”

    • @mmgmagic
      @mmgmagic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Ironically enough, people are starting to fall into these layers of irony where things are getting harder and harder to excuse with "it's ironic, therefore it's funny and good". It feels like the new "it's just a prank bro" to me.

    • @justsomerando4905
      @justsomerando4905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That’s why I’m a deltarune fan

  • @bythewayisay
    @bythewayisay 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1389

    Bro your humor as well as your passion in this video are perfect :’)

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +124

      thank you!! ^^

    • @marmex9912
      @marmex9912 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      You're back... I had a wave of nostalgia

    • @Ara-gq7sb
      @Ara-gq7sb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yea, unlike the new sonic games

    • @lordkenkaih
      @lordkenkaih 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      _Yes_

    • @metalsupersonic53
      @metalsupersonic53 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mario will still beat the cheese outta sonic

  • @RhymeRockRemedy
    @RhymeRockRemedy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I love your little animations. They add more entertainment and depth to the video when you're talking. It's more engaging than other "storytime animation" videos I've seen. I hope you grow even more because this video was cute and insightful!

  • @linkeastwood3283
    @linkeastwood3283 4 ปีที่แล้ว +387

    It's tragically ironic that sonic has always been about opening your heart and trying new things but now sega is to cowardice to live up to these ideals. Sonic has always helped me through tough times so here's hoping he can do the same for sega.

    • @memorableman3709
      @memorableman3709 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Yeah, sonic was always about having fun and seeking thrills to live life to the fullest. He was a free spirit, a bringer of hope that held allegiance to no one but himself. Now they are simply to afraid to give him any depth whatsoever

    • @imagery5425
      @imagery5425 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m from the future.

    • @vividcolorandrichaudio6134
      @vividcolorandrichaudio6134 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sonic Lost World is one of the most experimental games in the franchise but sure that never happened.

  • @eltonsstuff
    @eltonsstuff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +353

    Aw Geez, That part at the end where endless possibilities was dejectedly sung really hit the feels, maybe because that's exactly how the child in me feels.
    Sonic Stories of the past are among some of the best pieces of media. A lot of people say Sonic and The Black Knight is an amazing story, and a lot of them testify to it helping them deal with morality as a child, myself included. Ijust wish Sonic Stories could do those same things in this day too.

    • @golddigginboi2187
      @golddigginboi2187 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      We have a possibility with pontac and that other guy gone, but that was beautiful.

    • @shivansh3387
      @shivansh3387 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      tbh I became a sonic fan because this franchise had cool, emotional, dark and comedy scenes in a perfect balance but now it only has comedy and sometimes cool scenes. After Sonic 06, SEGA had received many feedbacks regarding the fact that Sonic's story wasn't given much attention like the other 2 (Shadows and Silvers story). Just because Sonic 06 was bad, SEGA is scared of making another adventure style game and now they give all attention to sonic only. Due to this:
      1) Knuckles is no longer a guardian of the Master Emerald
      2) Tails is no longer the guy who saved Station Square and fought Eggman by himself
      3) Shadow is no longer the guy who promised Maria to help everyone and keep the Earth safe. (now he is just a rival to sonic and edgelord).
      Also, he thinks that friends are pathetic due to which he didn't helped Rouge and Omega in team sonic racing overdrive.

    • @leonardocouto3109
      @leonardocouto3109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@shivansh3387 You must be almost offended to what they did to Tails, 'ey, fox-boi? They butchered the guy, he's such a moronic wimp, now. I miss Post-Station Square Crisis Tails (this sounded more serious than it really is, lol)

  • @hyobro8392
    @hyobro8392 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    What you said about self awareness really made me reflect on the stories I love, because I actually love them. Because they're unapologetically weird and goofy, and they focus all of their runtime on saying what they have to say.
    It's not that the story doesn't realize it, it's that it embraces its weird traits without worrying about wether or not the public will understand it beyond the surface level. I guess there's some confidence in that, compared to constantly hiding behind irony.

  • @CurtRichy
    @CurtRichy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1555

    real talk I wish 06 was actually good, cause I liked the wild convoluted ass plot and widh it stuck to it

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +233

      right??? I was so invested in that game when I got it lmao

    • @sbtgal
      @sbtgal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hey curt

    • @gabri3l80
      @gabri3l80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      @@Jacadamia There's a Fan Made Version Called "Sonic Project 06" where someone is trying to improve upon Sonic 06 but it is still a Demo.

    • @dr.thunder1567
      @dr.thunder1567 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I know right!

    • @alexsartandgameschannel3883
      @alexsartandgameschannel3883 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      I like some parts of 06, I like how Shadow was written and I like the idea of using telekinetic powers to get through the level and defend yourself
      I don't think it's the WORST sonic game, but definitely the most damaging to his rep =\

  • @dr.mantistobboggan4065
    @dr.mantistobboggan4065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +516

    There's some great commentary on how overdosing on irony in order to shield oneself from public perception is incredibly harmful. It's better for one to be honest with themselves rather than playing it cool just not to feel embarrassed. It's quite liberating and refreshing compared to endless cycle of cynicism and nihilism among social media.

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      Thanks Dr. Toboggan! Down with irony-poisoning!!

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @Simple Weirdo you just described me :')

    • @KonaKonaKaabisteru
      @KonaKonaKaabisteru 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I wonder if this what's called the "New Sincerity" in means of reclaiming these feelings (coined by David Foster Wallace)

    • @DiscordedHaru
      @DiscordedHaru 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It's why I absolutely personally fucking HATE the social media team of Sonic.

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DiscordedHaru Me too. It's full of awful memes.

  • @PeeperSnail
    @PeeperSnail 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    You make a good point about the ironic content being what's truly cheesy. Honestly, whenever something is ironic nowadays it makes me think the creators are just too cowardly to actually try and put their heart out into a good story. But then again authors are not entirely at fault for this recent development, most of the blame falls on godawful "cringe culture". Glad it's dying out.

    • @TheKillerEmcee
      @TheKillerEmcee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Honestly it's not. Only getting worse and more cringe than ever before. Social media fuckery doesn't make it any better

    • @blackcat2333
      @blackcat2333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      cringe culture isn't dying, its adapting to more socially acceptable forms

  • @JellyyEgg
    @JellyyEgg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +297

    I appreciate the unfiltered Sonic love. Makes me reminisce on the days I’d play Sonic Chronicles, Colors, Rush, Heroes and even 06 with a dumb grin on my face despite the games flaws. Still have a special place in my heart.
    Well done sir and can’t wait to see more :)))

    • @JellyyEgg
      @JellyyEgg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Xavior But Colors and Rush did have a boppin soundtrack lol

    • @pr0sp3r12
      @pr0sp3r12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JellyyEgg Rush's trick system and Colors' wisps and level moments (The water slide in Aquarium Park, roller coaster in Asteroid Coaster, giant drill in Planet Wisp, etc) really made me fall in love with Sonic and especially the DS games.
      Also, I'm so glad you mentioned the absolute SLAP the soundtracks are. Literal bops. I really hope they make Sonic games like they used to.

    • @gabira10
      @gabira10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah i remember playing chronicles and liking it when i was younger (it IS good, but i would find it amazing just bc it was an rpg, its just ok), but like, the music and some other things were some flaws.
      and i don't think Sonic Colors (ds ver.), Rush and Rush Adventure have flaws, they're amazing (never played 06, Heroes and Colors Wii version)

    • @cinnagilae8259
      @cinnagilae8259 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When Sonic Chronicles has more soul than recent games shows how far Sonic Team missed their mark.

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You know it's bad when even Chronicles had better story compared to Lost World and Forces.

  • @loadstonee
    @loadstonee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +218

    Sonic Then: Cocky, Cool, and does not give a shit
    Sonic Now: Friendship is Magic.

    • @kaledalvarado9266
      @kaledalvarado9266 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Probably he got that horrible changes to "trying" to be cool like the modern people nowdays

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Sonic then: A rebellious, but compassionate, adventurous and caring teenager who's willing to choose what's right for him.
      Sonic now: *TwO wOrDs: DiEt AnD eXeRcIsE!!!*

    • @whel835
      @whel835 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@tiruliru1189 bALdy mC nOLseHaIR?

    • @lupinthenerd439
      @lupinthenerd439 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tiruliru1189 oh so you like when he was cocky when hewas trash talking enemies back then but you dislike when....he's cocky whe he's trash talking enemies now?
      Yep, that makes sense, this are definetly 2 different characters

    • @wildfire9280
      @wildfire9280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@lupinthenerd439 indeed, cocky and wAcKy/hip (in a "fellow kids" way) aren't the same

  • @NotAFanNAF
    @NotAFanNAF 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I love the character you draw as a mouthpiece. He's very interesting in design and looks cute! Good video, I hope you keep making more.

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      thanks! I’ve got some stuff in the works :)

    • @orangeslash1667
      @orangeslash1667 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jacadamia Its get worse than Yuji Naka leaving, I did some research on the sonic wiki to to answer the question how Sonic unleashed is a passionate game with out Naka???? Well it turns out the director Yoshihisa Hashimoto Is not only a programer on Sonic advance 2 but he also made the Hedgehog Engine. Sadly he left Sega for Square Enix, and Sonic Unleashed is the last Sonic game to be made by sonic team USA and since then Sonic games are now low budget. Thats two Developers that Sega lost. Why because all Sega cares for arcade sales and pachinko machines. 3d Sonic so far is about as dead as Metal Gear. The good news is that Freedom Planet comes pretty close to the passion that Adventure 2 had

  • @technicalsock2465
    @technicalsock2465 4 ปีที่แล้ว +310

    "Believe in..... Sonic!"
    So are we starting a religion now?

    • @polkadi
      @polkadi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      you could make a religion out of this

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The religion of Cheese, God of Destruction. 😎

    • @slavishentity6705
      @slavishentity6705 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@slavishentity6705 Instead of the LORD's Prayer, you'll have Tikal's Prayer.

    • @zoe-nw8vy
      @zoe-nw8vy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yes

  • @jaredtherock5692
    @jaredtherock5692 4 ปีที่แล้ว +322

    "I could tell Sonic and Elise cared about each other"
    Me: I'm about to make a comment to disagree with this point about Sonic 0-...
    "You could TELL Silver cared for Blaze."
    Me, crying about Silver's ending: FUCK, THIS MAN MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE

    • @theminecraft2516
      @theminecraft2516 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Remember when Donkey did it with a dragon? Boy I sure hope someone got fired for that blunder

    • @Sydney_Angelyt
      @Sydney_Angelyt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@theminecraft2516 wdym, that’s subversion to the max

    • @evangillespie7922
      @evangillespie7922 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      SILVER! When they talk about me in the future, make sure my name is something cool! Like, Jessica Grimdark

  • @mattydins
    @mattydins 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    When you talked about the “self-aware stuff,” my favorite character from Netflix’s *A Series of Unfortunate Events* came to mind. Larry Your-Waiter wasn’t the best agent, but you could tell that he genuine cared about the Bauldelaire children, trying his best to keep them out of the clutches of the dastardly man who murdered their parents to obtain their fortune. His fellow agents either were murdered by Count Olaf or retired from the job, leaving Larry as the only living member of VFD. He was cornered in a room, tied up, and burned in a boiling pot of curry. They quickly made a joke about the food staining Count Olaf’s shirt though, which made me feel even more sad for Larry. Rest In Peace, man.

  • @MashAttack
    @MashAttack 4 ปีที่แล้ว +536

    wait was that the title theme of Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity at the end?! YOOOO that game was my childhood!!

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      twas indeed :3

    • @hamhockfounder7991
      @hamhockfounder7991 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It was also my childhood

    • @Arcad3n
      @Arcad3n 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Me too! Somehow the only Sonic game I had for a long time at home. I’d have to go to McDonald’s to play Sonic Heroes!

    • @LoneWanderer-by6tv
      @LoneWanderer-by6tv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That song unironically SLAPS

    • @c.ccarlhead5744
      @c.ccarlhead5744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Meeee!!! I adored playin as Silver eee 🤍🤍 he's my fave

  • @CosmicSponge2004
    @CosmicSponge2004 4 ปีที่แล้ว +300

    ALERT: The Sonic Writers from 2010-2019 Are No More! There's still a chance for good cheeze

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I'm glad Pontac and Graff are now gone. But who knows, maybe we'll have writers who are just as bad, if not, worse than Pontaff...

    • @CosmicSponge2004
      @CosmicSponge2004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tiruliru1189 th-cam.com/video/jE--tfdZ3-8/w-d-xo.html

    • @ShibuNub3305
      @ShibuNub3305 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tiruliru1189 *_Impossible._*

    • @thememelord4157
      @thememelord4157 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Let's hope the franchise gets better from here

    • @thepizzatime3502
      @thepizzatime3502 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pray

  • @howlgoesit3699
    @howlgoesit3699 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you.This is what my 3 sisters and I have been saying about Sonic games to the T. Sonic Adventure DX,Sonic Adventure 2 Battle,and Sonic Heroes (all for the GameCube) were our favorite games.I have so,so many good memories involving those awesome games,and I just wish to feel that way again someday with Sonic games in the future. Again,thank you so much for this video,it’s nice to know that there’s other people out there that are in agreement about this! This is the first of your videos that I’ve ever watched,and it certainly won’t be the last!💕

  • @MetallicMadGlitch
    @MetallicMadGlitch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +529

    Ok the pissing on the moon refference was pretty funny.

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +122

      i love alfred

    • @MetallicMadGlitch
      @MetallicMadGlitch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Dont we all :)

    • @weezlewax6839
      @weezlewax6839 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@Jacadamia he hates the moon, it didnt have the cheese he wanted

    • @youngboi5680
      @youngboi5680 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      yeah, it had lunar, not swiss.

    • @Kappa5938
      @Kappa5938 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MetallicMadGlitch No

  • @TheUberBadnik
    @TheUberBadnik 4 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    Since the last upload got taken down, imma just say it again.
    I love this longer style of video. I wish more animators would do this, make long videos about the topics they're passionate about.
    I also really love your art style and humour in this video, keep up the great work.

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      thanks I loved this comment :))

  • @infiniteoctopaw
    @infiniteoctopaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I LOVE the intro! I love the poser in the back that says “Take a Break? … I’ll Break you” with sonic smiling. Dear god!

  • @Jacadamia
    @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +698

    bring back the CHEESE. PLEASE.

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      (had to reupload lol)

    • @guy1774
      @guy1774 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      no lol

    • @eroaizik
      @eroaizik 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Sega ate all the cheese, that's why it's not there-

    • @sbtgal
      @sbtgal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      CHEESE

    • @ShoulderMonster
      @ShoulderMonster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maybe Cream should come back--

  • @shellknight1323
    @shellknight1323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +408

    I miss that era of Sonic, when sonic was cooler than mario and not a running joke that his game will be "good"

    • @jwx9509
      @jwx9509 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Same. High five
      .... I don't have hands.

    • @cosmowaffle
      @cosmowaffle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jwx9509 i have your hands

    • @jwx9509
      @jwx9509 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cosmowaffle can you give them back?

    • @MasterAlpha1000
      @MasterAlpha1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sonic sucks lol

    • @TheMaskedWarrior-qq4kr
      @TheMaskedWarrior-qq4kr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MasterAlpha1000 Ok

  • @thebiscuit7884
    @thebiscuit7884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This video was amazing and super validating to hear considering it's exactly how I've felt about stories in modern sonic for a while now, sonic went from a series with a cool main character that tried to tell grander stories, to something that barely tries and makes it out like enjoying sonic should just naturally be embarrassing please laugh we know sonic sucks hey remember big the cat?

  • @Xennode
    @Xennode 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Its honestly really refreshing seeing a video talking about Sonic's Story in a hopeful and genuine tone, this isn't some Analyst giving an hour long explanation on how Current Day Shadow needs to be more/less edgy like the old days because thats his character, but instead is a genuine happiness for the silly yet epic stories that sonic was known for.

  • @imnotcafé
    @imnotcafé 4 ปีที่แล้ว +524

    Tails' and Amy's character arcs peaked in Adventure unfortunately.

    • @Xcopyz
      @Xcopyz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Yeah, but it'd be great if we could see those characters actually be tested. Unfortunately, we can't see that now.

    • @HueyHueii
      @HueyHueii 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      ah yes, the gohan of the sonic series

    • @theminecraft2516
      @theminecraft2516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Amy was better in Mania Adventures actually

    • @unknownwill4th549
      @unknownwill4th549 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@theminecraft2516 nAH

    • @Banana807
      @Banana807 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Amy is better now than she was before before she was basically sonics stalker and now she gets worried for sonic but she isnt a stalker that chases sonic everywhere he goes

  • @Khadharphak
    @Khadharphak 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm one of those weird people who has been privately doing my own rewrite for the plot of Sonic 06, because, even though the game is bad and the plot is nonsense, I see SO MUCH promise and sparks of wonderful ideas and characters there that I refuse to let them die there. Mephiles to me is one of Sonic's greatest villains, and I love the whole idea of such a demonic, serious villain like him being in the world of Sonic to face against such a light-hearted character, and while Silver's managed to make it into other games he's never really had much of a focus, even though I also really like the concept of what and who he is as well. Sonic is remarkably special in that way it CAN be ridiculously corny, and amazingly serious and epic at the same time, like a super sentai, or a godzilla movie. I love stories that can do that, and Sonic is the perfect setting to do such things.

    • @islandboy9381
      @islandboy9381 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mephiles was amazing in Shadow's scenario, more of that in Silver's scenario plus fixing the time travel flaws would already improve the story flow a lot. For Sonic's scenario reducing some of the filler would help the pacing too and Sonic being with Elise should have been left as becoming close friends. Yea there's still the ''lol sonic with a human'' meme but atleast then there's no problematic element with adding romance.

  • @ledetbrothers9210
    @ledetbrothers9210 4 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    It’s like all the passion of the early Sonic games got infused into the Sonic Twitter account.

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Lol yeah the twitter account is great

    • @cosmicspacething3474
      @cosmicspacething3474 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The people that run the Twitter account should probably help with the writing in the actual games

  • @PK-Radio
    @PK-Radio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Tails then: awesome, smart, is just as strong as sonic and if he isnt strong enough he busts out his awesome gadgets and mechs.
    Tails now: "sonic help me"

    • @kaledalvarado9266
      @kaledalvarado9266 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Don't forget that my little foxy was alittle crybaby but at least he have the guts to fight back not like deku that needs to remember an edgy moment to get back his strength of nowhere

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yes. To the point I might as well stick to Sonic X anime, since it didn't make me cringe, unlike Lost World and Forces.

    • @crimsononaut_in_space
      @crimsononaut_in_space 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He has now become peach

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@crimsononaut_in_space Even Peach became brave. Check out Super Princess Peach and Smash Ultimate.

    • @cup3872
      @cup3872 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tiruliru1189 smash ultimate doesn’t rlly count

  • @saidyhernandez05
    @saidyhernandez05 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    “Tails you have failed me for the last time pal time to die.”:Sonic

  • @marianokaz1503
    @marianokaz1503 4 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    That was such a cutely animated video for just a retrospective on Sonic storytelling, I loved it, I'm subscribing to you man!

  • @krow1551
    @krow1551 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I am so glad someone is finally talking about the "Irony armor". I hope things change.

  • @Mega-Bits
    @Mega-Bits ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have a feeling Jacadamia had the biggest smile on his face while playing Frontiers

  • @mariogaming6988
    @mariogaming6988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    As sonic grew weaker, Mario grew stronger...
    My man Mario, literally went around the world (plus the moon) to stop a wedding.

    • @burntpoptart853
      @burntpoptart853 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      But then he and Bowser gets rejected by peach. That’s pretty rough since Mario throughout all these years has rescued Peach from the clutches of bowser.
      On a side note: Sega needs to care more about sonic. Most of his games pretty much after generations felt half assed (Especially Forces)

    • @rainpooper7088
      @rainpooper7088 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      After Super Paper Mario, that‘s literally the only reasonable thing to do.

    • @Shalakor
      @Shalakor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rainpooper7088 The universe can only stand to be destroyed so many times within a given span of time before it ends up sticking. Sure, the universe resetting is apparently part of the natural order according to Galaxy, but more than one Peach/Bowser wedding in the same century is going to wear out the seams that hold everything together, even if you stop the void from claiming everything again.

  • @Trizic_
    @Trizic_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +204

    Bro I'm gonna be honest... I thought this was gonna be one of "those" videos but no. I'm glad It wasn't. This is exactly how I feel. Back then of the days of when I was playing Sonic 06, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic and the black knight... man Sonic was so god damn cool... he's the main reason I myself wanted to be fast. Running around at the speed of sound, Enjoying what the world has to offer. Living freely without a care in the world... can you imagine that? I always thought of how fun and cool it would be. And also having a friend right beside you to go along with you and your adventure...
    But now... it feels... different... it's just not the same anymore... Whenever Sonic got serious with the face he had, You know (like you said) things were about to go down. It's also one of the things that made Sonic cool. Like Sonic and the Black Knight (Spoilers) when he was getting brutally beaten up by the girl (I forgot her name) but still stood up and fought back. but then thats when Author broke.... the one you were with throughout the whole game... BUT THEN HE WENT SUPER SONIC WITH THE GOLDEN ARMOR!? BRO THAT TRANSFORMATION WAS INSANE!!!
    It's like, if you compare that moment to Sonic Forces it's immediately 10x better than Sonic Forces...
    Hopefully when the next Sonic game comes out it'll make me feel like a kid again instead of making me cringe 100% of the time Lol.
    If you're wondering how I felt about Forces. I beat it in 3 hours. Seriously. No breaks. No nothing. Just 3 hours straight. And what did I feel about that whole game? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I was hype and wondering what was gonna happen as the story progressed but... I just felt nothing. I just played it just to play it. The gameplay wasn't intriguing. The story wasn't super interesting. Basically I had the Saitama Face from One Punch Man.... Felt nothing.

    • @elivcdxv1852
      @elivcdxv1852 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Mood, Sonic and the Black Knight was too much fun to go through for me, the final boss theme, special dialogue depending on how you did, or were doing in a fight was always amazing and reflected things better than just tossing it in after the battle.
      Having a hard time and having Caliburn reassure Sonic while Merlina was just telling him to give up, and then redoing the battle and basically obliterating her while she was basically in awe of their power made things feel way more expansive than they were, i really missed the midstage dialogue and i was so happy when Forces brought it back, but it kinda stunk that it didn't have more variation, i think the only game that I've played in recent time that has done that was DMC5, and hoo, does it feel sweet having the games characters talk about how well or rough you might be doing from an in universe perspective, I love it when the situation feels believable in world, even if im not the type of person to get self-immersed in a game, i love when the game immerses the characters in it and they feel like parts of it rather than just an avatar.

    • @Trizic_
      @Trizic_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@elivcdxv1852 bro exactly!

    • @papyrus9183
      @papyrus9183 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      im not a major sonic fan, but i did grow up with unleashed and i found it amazing. i think I might own sonic and the black knight but idk i ever played it as a kid

    • @juicesoapcontraptions8928
      @juicesoapcontraptions8928 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Couldn't have said it any better myself. Thankfully, the cancer that did the cringy shit writing for the colors-era dialogue has left Sega supposedly! 🎈 🎊 🎇

  • @XDarkEcho
    @XDarkEcho 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I still remember when Sonic Unleashed trailer dropped, and that banger Endless Possibilities played. Man, I had goosebumps throughout it, and a bit teary eyed, because Sonic 06 was such a dumpster fire, it felt like SEGA just didn't give a shit about it anymore, but that trailer really resonated within me. The Boost Mechanic, the fantastic visuals, the stunning stages and map design, and the amazing OST in the game; truly one of my favorites ever. Sure Generations was great too, but it felt too humorous for my liking, Unleashed was still fairly serious and told a grounded story, which I appreciated. Also being the last time Jason Griffith voiced him, he really nailed Sonic at this point, coming off as a very genuine character in contrast to the Sonic we have now who's just kind of an wise-cracking asshole, in my opinion.
    Sonic Unleashed will always be my favorite Sonic game, even though it has it's flaws...many, many flaws.

  • @ohnowendigos8804
    @ohnowendigos8804 4 ปีที่แล้ว +337

    In summary: More cheese, less corn

    • @Helicopter7
      @Helicopter7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Cheese

    • @GOOEYooey
      @GOOEYooey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Sometimes I dream about cheese....

    • @cupio-stardust
      @cupio-stardust 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GOOEYooey sometimes all I think about is you.

    • @cosmowaffle
      @cosmowaffle 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GOOEYooey well you are the lord of it

  • @SymbolsWriter
    @SymbolsWriter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    14:42 "I play Sonic for the story"
    This, but unironically

    • @realcupojoe
      @realcupojoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What's the song in the background that comes right before that?

    • @SymbolsWriter
      @SymbolsWriter 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@realcupojoe Dunno, but try asking the creator of the video, he has to know. It does kinda remind me of "My destiny" from Sonic'06, so it could be some sort of instrumental or orchestral version of that 🤔Tell me if you figure it out, I'm curious now!

    • @hwanniggles187
      @hwanniggles187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SymbolsWriter its exactly that. A varient of "My Destiny". I think this version plays before Elise blows out the Solaris' flame

  • @Pyrodiac
    @Pyrodiac ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It was inevitable that this video would age kinda poorly, it's just surprising it took so little time.

  • @herisruns
    @herisruns 4 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    i like the new look of your character. he's an ambiguous nut... sprout... furry... fellow. and that's alright. he is just vibing with that anatomy

    • @syweb2
      @syweb2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Furry Chao Pikmin

  • @natsusekai6190
    @natsusekai6190 4 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    ngl, the new character is adorable, & works really well with the animation style

  • @CalebratedGamer93
    @CalebratedGamer93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When we played Sonic Forces, the transition of interesting intro plot stuff to BAM HERE'S SOME TEXT SONIC IS DEAD to "Hey just kidding haha but the world is Eggman's" all in the span of 5 minutes gave me whiplash.

  • @xxmustanglifexx2246
    @xxmustanglifexx2246 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Here’s the thing, back in the early 2000’s sonic stories got darker and more mature. Fans didn’t like it they wanted a more, well, Older type of sonic where the story was light hearted. They gave it to us and now people are realizing they don’t actually like it. I feel like sonic team is just confused as cherry pie in the crab market.

    • @sezunemizuhana3870
      @sezunemizuhana3870 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Why do people keep insisting that classic sonic games were "light-hearted"? They had stories about destruction of the environment for the sake of mechanical progress. They had cute animals being trapped in robots and used as power source. I don't know about you, but that's pretty horrifying.

    • @xxmustanglifexx2246
      @xxmustanglifexx2246 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sezunemizuhana3870 ngl bestie I forgot I wrote that and I must’ve been on sum hardcore shi at the time cuz what was that last sentence abt crab and pie like wtffddd

    • @sezunemizuhana3870
      @sezunemizuhana3870 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@xxmustanglifexx2246 :) You are right about everything you said, so don't worry. Only games that are "light-hearted" are the super stupid meta games. You know a bad joke every five seconds.

  • @TheJazzyPerson
    @TheJazzyPerson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    “And eggman pissed on the moon”
    Now this. Is comedy.

    • @MackChubs
      @MackChubs 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I cried at that point 😂

  • @AxeToday
    @AxeToday 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoyed what you had to say about our blue boy. He deserves that sort of respect and love, and even though I don’t think Forces wasn’t made with love, I think you’re right that Sega just doesn’t see him the same anymore. But I really hope his future is bright.

  • @DepartamentoDePantalones
    @DepartamentoDePantalones 4 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    Looks amazing! The coloring is beautiful

  • @BlueJack222
    @BlueJack222 4 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    You know this video speaks in a way I figure out what happened to Sonic.
    In concept Sonic was originally a character that was supposed to represent teenage rebellion but with 06 he took it too far so unfortunately Sonic have to bow down to the horrible critics and become a respectable member of Society which is boring and safe, Sonic needs to break free and rebel once more

    • @Xcopyz
      @Xcopyz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      You are absolutely right, as that is exactly what happened. Also, they started looking at Mario and did what Nintendo does with Mario with Sonic.
      Sonic games were very involved with other characters constantly around. Now, he's just alone on an adventure while the other characters aren't playable. Kind of like how Mario is in a lot of his adventures.

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Sonic grew up and became an unfunny boomer trying to hard to relate to the youth like he did naturally as a youth himself and failing miserably with his barrage of dad jokes, he literally sounds like the "how do you do, fellow kids?" meme in the Meta Era.

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Xcopyz Mario ripped off some of Sonic's better ideas (Bowser Jr. now functions like Eggman, Mario is learning Sonic's signature moves such as the Spin Dash and Homing Attack, etc.), and Sonic responded by ripping off Mario's mistakes (sanitized non-plots about the characters doing the same things for no reason every time, two sets of attempts to make Sonic Koopalings (and doubling down on the wrong set imho, it should've been Heavy King returning in Forces and TSR instead of Zavok), the Plains-Desert-Water-Jungle-Ice-Mountain-Sky-Fire generic world themes, etc.), leaving Mario to run forward at the speed of sound while Sonic lightspeed BLJs into the very past that he helped dumpster by originally being so original and pushing everyone forward.
      Exhibit A: Putting Mario Galaxy and Odyssey next to Sonic Lost Cause.

    • @_Galaxy_457
      @_Galaxy_457 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@autobotstarscream765 What the hell does that mean, then everyone copies everyone, but what's that got to do with it? So if Mario does somersaults to go fast he has copied Sonic? So Zelda Breath of the Wild copied the idea of Horizon because it's an Open World and ditto Read Dead Redeption 2. It doesn't matter if something is similar, it means it's a rip-off. 😅

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@_Galaxy_457 Mario doesn't just go fast, he BLJs through 3 parallel universes before the spiny blue blurball has put his SOAP Shoes on.

  • @Foxfac3
    @Foxfac3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i think its pretty apt that a video about embracing cheesiness takes the form of a animated avatar commentary video. Good stuff, really enjoyed quite a few of the jokes in this video.

  • @wetheepiphany
    @wetheepiphany 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Commenting to help others see this video- thank you for this. I feel like you summed up the biggest issue with Sonic stories nowadays and I'm so happy this is now getting people's attentions.
    Rambling on a side note, I found the idea that the Sonic Team "gave up" around Lost World a really intriguing idea, especially considering how vocal the Sonic fanbase has been with its criticisms. For the longest time, the fanbase kept criticizing the Sonic games for the kinds of stories they were doing ("why is he in a storybook now?" "why is he a werewolf?" "why kiss an anime princess?"), and maybe that's why Sonic Team gave up on trying to put passion into their stories.
    Granted a good chunk of the fans' criticism was directed towards the style of gameplay itself, but it often pointed at story and character elements as part of what was to blame for the game being "bad" ("too many characters," "plot doesn't feel fitting for a Sonic game," "why are you trying something new again Sonic Team?- go back to the 2D era when everything was kept simple!"). SEGA is known for being aware of the fandom, and both the Sonic social media team and Sonic Boom (the show) are evidence of this, so maybe all this "soullessness" is them desperately trying to "please the fandom" instead of just genuinely chasing after stories and new elements they felt passionate about having in their games.
    I say this as a Sonic fan who got sucked into the popular mindset of "oh 06 is bad," "werehog is bad," "3d Sonic peaked at adventure 2 and its all been downhill from there," and now regrets it seeing as Sonic Team's attempts to please the fans seem to have made them lose their identity as game creators. Sue me, but I miss the deeper, darker plot they tried to go for in 06- I like that they tried brand new stories with Sonic via the Storybook series, Unleashed, Chronicles, etc.
    Probably the biggest recent tragedy to me was the loss of Sonic Synergy- judging by the concept art, Synergy was going to be radically different from everything we have seen of Sonic before, but it felt like they were genuinely pursuing concepts and brand new ideas that they felt passionate about. Sonic Boom- I feel is the result of the Synergy people fearing that their radically different concepts would receive immense backlash from the community, so they backed off half-way and just tried to merge the current Sonic state with some "safe, non-controversial" elements of Synergy (which resulted in a lackluster series, so they turned extremely cynical and self-aware because they didn't even believe in what they created anymore).
    Anyway, that's just my sleep-deprived brain thoughts on things. Make of it what you will :P

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You really hit the nail on the head! I'll admit I was also one of those "06 is trash" guys years after I had played it, thanks to the common narrative surrounding sonic on the internet. I think Sega got wind of the rise of "cringe culture" and started going in the opposite direction with their stories because it was way more "hip and happenin'" to not take itself seriously. Sonic Colors' story did rub me the wrong way a little bit but I could forgive it, and then Generations happened and I excused it because it was an anniversary title and "not canon," and I mostly just chalked things up to me not liking the newer VAs as much as the old ones.
      Lost World however, legitimately got me mad. I went into it with an open mind and was actually pretty excited for the new gameplay style, but the whole thing just felt like it had way less thought and care put into it than any of the other sonic games before it. The story was pretty bland, and I remember realizing that there wasn't even any way to rewatch the cutscenes inside the game like there had always been. Super Sonic had TWO MOUTHS! All those little nice details and polishes that you see in quality games that people take for granted, just weren't there. It was the first time I felt like Sonic Team really didn't care about what they were making, and since then it's just been downhill.
      I really really hope that sonic team took some time to reassess after Forces and can get back on track. They need people who actually care about sonic on their team because to me the lack of love has been super apparent. I just wanna be excited about the future of the series again soon. I know Sonic'll be ok, if Crash can come back and be amazing again, I'm sure sonic will too... eventually, lol.

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sonic' story peaked with Sonic Unleashed, Black Knight and Colors DS, I've been saying that since Sonic Forces.

    • @wetheepiphany
      @wetheepiphany 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Jacadamia Hey, thanks for your reply! I really appreciate it!
      Well, in the month or so that's passed since we've made these comments, we've gotten announcements of an upcoming Sonic anniversary game (or games?), Sonic Prime show, and brand new Sonic voice cast. With all these announcements happening pretty close to each other, it really feels like Sonic Team is trying to distance themselves from the Colors-Forces era, and preparing to begin a new one ASAP. They're replacing the Colors-Forces era cast, making a new Sonic show (to replace Sonic Boom), and might be making a new game specifically to celebrate Sonic's anniversary (to replace Sonic Generations, if so).
      I guess time will tell what this apparent "new era" of Sonic will hold, but I'm hopeful that things are finally looking up again for the Blue Blur.
      Additionally, although these aren't games, the Sonic IDW comics and the Sonic 2020 movie have also given me a lot more hope for the potential future of Sonic. Both have placed an emphasis on story and character that I have not seen in the games since the Jason Griffith era ended, and my hope is that the games will follow suit.

    • @drakon0873
      @drakon0873 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jacadamia if anything, they really cared with lost world. New gameplay styles! New fun gimmicks! A kickass orquestral soundtrack! Dense level design with care put into it! New villains!

  • @microlunchbox2657
    @microlunchbox2657 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    When he sat down and started singing “the possibilities are never ending” I legit thought he was gonna die in his chair right there. Top 10 saddest anime deaths.

  • @everwilkins3158
    @everwilkins3158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I grew up with older cartoons and video games and the stories were great in those. I completely understand what you are saying when it comes to the new sonic games. The tails and shadow from the old games is what I miss the most and I hope the soon sonic games will get better.

  • @absupinhere
    @absupinhere 4 ปีที่แล้ว +343

    The stories suck now cos being called “cheesy” makes creators ask why they bothered trying so hard.
    When good stories are made fun of for being good, creators will write stories that aren’t good.

    • @pico9497
      @pico9497 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Exactly

    • @lpfan4491
      @lpfan4491 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Sonic Adventure2 in a nutshell. "omg. why does this have a story? Just smash robots already", completely disregarding that the cutscenes are skippable.

  • @garrettmcnerlin5896
    @garrettmcnerlin5896 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Dude I can't even begin to say everything that I love about this video, the blend of comedy and seriousness, the animation, the perspective shifts, like the first sonic games apperntly, you pulled out all the stops!!!! I could've watched this video for hours I was so entranced. You're doing amazing work and I love to see your animations❤️💛✨💛💛❤️✨💛❤️❤️

  • @TheInquisitiveMug
    @TheInquisitiveMug 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You had me at the intro, but damn if you didn't kill it all the way to the end!

  • @chaliceohearts4658
    @chaliceohearts4658 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    The last Sonic game that had an engaging story to me was Black Knight. I actually liked the message of how although death is inevitable, you shouldn’t let it hurt you. Live life to the fullest one day at a time.

    • @memorableman3709
      @memorableman3709 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That game legitimately changed me as a person.

    • @SaiKisaragi
      @SaiKisaragi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ouchie ouch. As a person who dreams about fucking dying everyday, maybe I should play that game.
      Can't believe I just said that.

    • @fazelfarrokhi1998
      @fazelfarrokhi1998 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SaiKisaragi have you played it yet

    • @SaiKisaragi
      @SaiKisaragi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fazelfarrokhi1998 nope, I don’t know where the fuckle I could get a stable enough emulator to play Sonic and the Black Knight nor do I know where the fuckle my Wii is.

  • @reginlief1
    @reginlief1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    You’re not old or starry eyed for nostalgia. You’ve picked out objective elements of the newer games that aren’t found in the older ones.
    Sonic has definitely ridden the self aware irony wave for too long now. I think forces was trying to step in the right direction, it was just an abysmal failure of writing. I can hope that sonic team is still walking that road of returning to what made sonic stories engaging, but at the same time I was so burned by forces that I’m just going to wait and see.
    Also this is my first video I’ve seen of yours and I love the presentation and delivery so keep it up my dude.

  • @gnoyd
    @gnoyd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    The feeling when the bad guy was so powerful he took over the entire world in a single cutscene and proceeds to lose to a blue speed demon despite legit having infinite just laying around that already beat him once, where was he when sonic escaped? Sipping a martini.

  • @andyblargextra
    @andyblargextra 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Ok that Knuckles in the Mines bit made me laugh way too much.

  • @classical_madness5926
    @classical_madness5926 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    underated youtube list called, they want you as their spokesperson

  • @KAYBUGHEROINE
    @KAYBUGHEROINE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    i remember when knuckles tried to kill himself in black knight , first time i saw that i was like woah!

    • @السراقالمجهول
      @السراقالمجهول 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      whats up with all of this drama
      isnt there is more to being a knight than serving a king
      I have to go people to save you know

    • @wakkaseta8351
      @wakkaseta8351 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Pretty sure that sort of behavior is only a Samurai thing, not a knight thing.

    • @YightLagami
      @YightLagami 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@wakkaseta8351 the damn Japanese developers messing up chilvary in a game about a blue anthropomorphic hedgehog who moves at mach 1

    • @wakkaseta8351
      @wakkaseta8351 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@YightLagami
      I know right? How dare they.

    • @KAYBUGHEROINE
      @KAYBUGHEROINE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wakkaseta8351 i know right

  • @shadtheboi1
    @shadtheboi1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    honestly..
    I feel like everyone should hear 11:01 - 12:02
    that's honestly how I myself have felt for a long time, but just never really knew how to describe it

  • @Astro_Crunch
    @Astro_Crunch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I'm so glad to see a video like one of these that doesn't just mindlessly shit all over Colors. Yeah yeah, "Baldy McNosehair" I get it, but so many people get caught up in a couple cringy lines that they forget just how much heart Colors had. Not only that, but for every really bad line, there are like five good ones (the Eggman PA announcements are personal favorites of mine).

  • @TANIMAYTO
    @TANIMAYTO 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Jack this is so good and funny and heartfelt. Dare I say... Cheesy?

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You know i had to get that extra cheese baby

  • @UriahDolcy-ph2qn
    @UriahDolcy-ph2qn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i've loved sonic for my whole life and grew up with him as well...i feel the EXACT. SAME. WAY. bro giving sage advice in all videos

  • @BreezyKun
    @BreezyKun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I was gonna say the only games in your specified cheese-era that I don't think belong are Colors and Generations, but you more or less addressed that towards the end; they used the dairy-free formula while it was a new flavor and not an apparent problem. I vibe with this, people who slam that writing either forgot what that sort of stuff did to them as kids or don't wanna admit it still makes them feel feelings.

  • @Metramatica
    @Metramatica 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    nobody:
    Sonic: Just got tortured feeling good.

  • @thecodeserror
    @thecodeserror 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Me when Forces: "SEGA, WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY BOY!"

  • @2bitbyte
    @2bitbyte 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    "Irony" and "self-awareness" can eat my shorts. I un-ironically love the old 3D Sonic games. Actually wish I could replace some of the older ones, but... I'm a Nintendo guy, so F me, right Sega? >.> At least as far as ports are concerned...

  • @sighburned
    @sighburned 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Saw this in madz's video promo discord section, saw the first ten seconds of animation and immediately subbed.

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      aw thanks!!! welcome aboard the nut train lol

  • @PatTheAnimator
    @PatTheAnimator ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They really improved on story with the sequel to sonic forces: the sonic IDW comics. They have it take a more serious tone in many issues, and create new characters for the story.

  • @blacknclvr7019
    @blacknclvr7019 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    If they could capture the charm unleashed had with all of its wild characters again and make it into another game, it would be the cornerstone of my existence

  • @cadencampbell5974
    @cadencampbell5974 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    “Sonic was there...”
    “I was there playing sonic.”
    “My little. Brother he was there.”
    “Sonic was there...”
    “We were playing sonic, it was all there...”
    “Sonic was there.”
    Form: 1:49

  • @Mr.Atari2600
    @Mr.Atari2600 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    SA1 Knuckles saying "Oh No" has more charm than the entire story of Forces.

  • @hyde7100
    @hyde7100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Sonic used to be about playing by his own rules not carrying about what others think.., now its the opposite and its why its hard to love Sonic now

  • @SegaAidan
    @SegaAidan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Changed my mind about the TH-cam recommendations. I found the hidden gem.

  • @fallenaj2475
    @fallenaj2475 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's really nice to see someone express what I feel so well and also be funny! I hope Sega sees this or something like this so that they can realize and improve.

  • @kellanrios3470
    @kellanrios3470 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Commenting just so the algorithm gives this a bump.
    I really liked the video.

    • @Jacadamia
      @Jacadamia  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      yo thanks friend :)

  • @chrisvennbowman3784
    @chrisvennbowman3784 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Colors DS had all the supporting cast and had some really funny (and touching!) characterization. Shadow even expressed concern for Sonic and tried to prepare him to fight eggman. To me, that was the last time the characters were truly themselves.
    When I was a kid, shadow and silver’s stories in 06 were my favorite part of the whole franchise. I guess it’s hard for people to appreciate what they have until it’s gone.

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed! Colors DS was the last time we ever got a GOOD storytelling.

  • @AaroniumYT
    @AaroniumYT 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just LOVE how Jacadimia adds these little things, like the differen colours of the smashed cups on the tables.

  • @memehawk12
    @memehawk12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    8:37 who let jerry seinfeld voice sonic?

  • @Hopper_Arts
    @Hopper_Arts 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    My doctor's prescription says this art style is good for my eyes

  • @mikedaagoat9728
    @mikedaagoat9728 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    at the end the sad music and you saying ALL of that... it made me actually cry

  • @michaelwave9831
    @michaelwave9831 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Sonic Unleashed has my favorite story. The writing, characters, and cutscenes are a real treat and you can tell they put a lot of time and effort into the game.

    • @tiruliru1189
      @tiruliru1189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Too bad they bashed it, just because it's not like the Genesis games.
      Sonic is a shitty Peter Griffin knock-off nowadays.

  • @Genesis-XE
    @Genesis-XE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    The stories have sucked since Colors 2010, Generations was okay. In my opinion, the story should be like Unleashed and Black Knight with a nice blend of childish humour while having serious moments.

    • @britishpie7665
      @britishpie7665 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      That's what happens when you hire writers who have no clue what Sonic was at all and used the wiki/cutscenes to study him :)

    • @DemonDethchase
      @DemonDethchase 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@britishpie7665 If you actually dig a little deeper into Arthurian legend, and compare it to the game, I think its fair to say more time and effort went into learning about that, and making sure the characters fit their respective roles properly in Black Knight. Than the entire decade of Pontac and Graff's prep for other characters.

    • @britishpie7665
      @britishpie7665 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@DemonDethchase The Black knight was a good story though and it shows that Shiro Maekawa (the writer) knew what he was doing. Pontac and Graff however, literally just try to make characters quirky and awkward, hence making the more "serious" moments seem super out of place. It feels like writing actual stories are not their thing

    • @makoaman1831
      @makoaman1831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I swear unleashed should get a remake just because of how different it was with night mode. also can we just talk about the beginning animations quality like holy crap it looked better than some movies that are coming out now.

    • @DemonDethchase
      @DemonDethchase 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@makoaman1831 while I'd prefer to see something new rather than remakes, but if there was to be a remake of Unleashed, I'd like it if was like how Resident Evil handles its remakes, take the base game and expand upon it. Maybe they could make Tails and Amy playable because outside Boom it has been a VERY long time since either of them have been playable in a mainline game - fifteen years in fact if you can believe it! - with only a few once in a blue outsourced moon moments like Boom and Mania for them to strut their stuff and show what they can do... not that Boom was much to write home about ofcourse. But for the next new game going forward, if even the likes of Boom can Amy and Miles playable in 3D then there's going be really no excuse for their absence in the next title.

  • @sangaming3872
    @sangaming3872 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That sad Sonic 06 song sums up Sonics Nostalgia