Mobula 6: bit.ly/35olZGB A better battery: bit.ly/2ucqya0 Runcam Nano 3: bit.ly/2ZLYfeq, bit.ly/36piIIf My settings: Roll: 73, 25, 75 Pitch: 75, 25, 75 Yaw: 90, 90, 0 TPA: 0.80 Breakpoint: 1490 Turn on first gyro notch, turn on D term notch filters Same rates for pitch roll yaw RC Rate: 0.95 Super Rate: 0.55 RC Expo: 0.00 ▼Join my FB group for more discussion: Kabab FPV facebook.com/groups/379155946182689/ The store: www.FPVCycle.com ▼ My typical 5" quad setup: -Hyperlite Glide Floss Lite: fpvcycle.com/collections/frames -Motor: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -ESC: bit.ly/2oDdzvL -WaFL’s Cap Cap: bit.ly/2GUpXxO -Battery: bit.ly/2JnsTDM -FC: bit.ly/2XRc8G8 -FPV Cam: bit.ly/2Q7LfL7 -Vtx: bit.ly/2HsrASs -ND GoPro Mount 30deg: bit.ly/2WC15zc -ND Filter (if used): bit.ly/2WEmQ1j ▼My preferred goggles as of Sept 2019 bit.ly/2k5YNv5 ▼Notable motors: -BH R3 2207 for $9.99: bit.ly/2NaTWEy (limited quantity only) -Xing 2306: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -Xing 2208: bit.ly/2y3te8R -FANTASTIC 6" motor: bit.ly/2LqghOZ ▼Starter goggles: bit.ly/2qbJNOS ▼ If you want to solder better: -Fantastic solder: amzn.to/2P5QM2W -Fantastic iron: goo.gl/DqBipa ▼ Tips? Patreon: bit.ly/2oGLP9b -PayPal: www.paypal.me/kababfpv -Bitcoin: 1E4XZXoD4rS6MYWVWuenY7Kw2M1YgyNpoQ -Nano: xrb_1188ek5bd7tb9kw67asnp9o65byuoaxbtpxuznx1ribf75x78awywmakj55f -ETH: 0xD067F93811f2eC31CB1928901002dfdf9A492EF5 -LTC: La2KWYAjp4VT2Lq2M76pbjzXWvRyjpfCtG -Tesla Referal code: ts.la/bob40889 Please use my referral code if you're gonna buy a Tesla. You get some free stuff when you do and I get better status with Tesla.
@@aoutivd yeah they're supposed to be super slow. 😅. Super slow means super in control and smooth. Increase the super rate back to around 0.65 if you want to roll and flip faster.
Over 100 batteries in and mine is still going strong. Biggest thing is to not leave it plugged into your computer for any length of time or you are going to cook that vtx. NBD learned this. I’m hoping this one isn’t a fluke and have another on the way to see if it holds up. Is it the perfect Whoop racer? No, lack of CP antenna or easily changeable vtx antenna and no LEDS keep it from that crown, but right now it’s the best 65mm BNF for brushless Angle racing, especially coupled with Emuflight and 48khz full throttle resolution
@@marsmachine1156 yes, getting close on a Emuflight PMB for it and it's flying AMAZING in angle mode right now with their new Whoop based features that BF doesn't have. :)
The meteor 65 frame deals with the battery weight issue as it makes the frame low profile, and feels a lot better and is lighter and stronger too, definitely worth swapping out to one imo.
I just purchased the mobula 7 kit with 4 250 hv batteries for my nephew two weeks ago. The dam thing is awsome to fly. We even flew it in high wind. It flutters around but still flyable. After about a week of abuse the frames all taped up but still works. What I need is a carbon whoop frame haha
Have you thought about top mount batteries for whoops? In mobula6 it is pretty easy to remove the canopy, transfer the camera to front between ducts (lowrider style) and then you can put the battery on top of the board.
I always appreciate your reviews, even when they seem really biased, like this one. I have found QC issues with a lot of manufacturers, including GepRC ( really poor customer service, they wanted me to pay for replacing the defective quad they sent me), BetaFPV ( 2 dud quads , first 5 flights on both ), and I won't even talk Eachine. So far, my 2 Mobula7's are working better than any other quads I've owned. This hobby does not have near enough volume demand for manufacturers to care too much about quality control.
Really? Volume should dictate whether what a customer orders they actually receive? I work with and travel to China regularly and this is more of a cultural phenomenon with China built stuff. They tend to prioritize profit over all else however this isnt the case globally, for example Japanese electronics or even Swiss watches that are made in small batches have the highest quality because its culturally part of how they think, i.e. making profit is "worthless" if their name is associated with poor quality product. Go across the border from China to South Korea and we can see a much better quality/profit cultural fit (for the consumer).
I liked your comment about how at that low of an amp draw the solid pin PH2.0 is gonna be perfectly adequate for this build. I’m sure BT2.0 has its place but not necessarily here. Makes a lot of sense to me.
@@VincentFischer The first thing that fails is the female connector on the battery in my own experience, the male connector is much more resilient. I replace the female connectors on my batteries 3 times before the battery is due to be trashed.
@@RockTouching You sure about that? Let's say for example you have twenty batteries for your kwad, that would mean the connector on the craft has 20times more mating cycles to withstand.
@@VincentFischer in my experience yes. I first noticed when I paralled charged new batteries with old (20-30 cycles old) batteries, the old batteries wouldn't get charged. Their internal resistence was 200+. When I replaced the female connector It dropped to 100 ohm and was able to charge them with the new batteries. In my opinion the female connector has to withstand more stress, and can get enlarged pretty quickly (insert joke here), thus making less and less contact. Also the batteries have to get charged, so that's 2x mating cycles right there.
Hey Bob just an update on the mobula6 I've flown about a 150 packs and a lot of them one right after the other, and I'm happy to say no issues, looks like maybe they fixed their quality control problem.
I have one on the way, looking forward to it... Although the battery pendulum effect is real my mobula7 on 2*250mah is almost perfect after flying with 2*300mah more punch longer flight but more throttle is needed to get around corners. 1.ESC replaced 2.motor shafts on the front two motors snapped (separately) repeated door trim hits 3.going on the trashcan frame 3rd frame.
Man that fc looks perfect for the babypick. To bad for the quality control like u meantioned. I’ll definitely hold off on that fc till I see a lot of reviews. As of now I’m using a beta 1s board with no rx. So adding the rx and vtx is adding a decent amount of weight. I’m converting my rdq 525s to xt 30 soon. Probably order some 600s from your store come spring. To much snow here lol. Worried I’m gonna be over that magic 56grams auw. Really would love a all in one option like this. Wish NamelessRC made a all in one 1s board.
I got both variants, the 19000kv version has betaflight 3.5.7 and no foam under the camera while the 25000kv shipped with 4.0.6 and a foam peanut under the camera... Batteries are also loose in the mount to the point I had to add a loom band to secure them. (Thanks to Nick Burns for that idea) otherwise they fly great and no issues yet after about 40 packs through each over the last 3 weeks.
@@jenspenttila overall the 19kv, you get longer flight-time and its far more manageable indoors which is where these are best suited to anyway Not a huge loss in performance. the 25k for indoor track events say inside a sports hall and it'll handle tricks better :)
In my opinion under mount toilet tank as close to the flight controller as possible. AIO cam as close to center over FC is the best feel on 65mm whoopclass. I must add. It's not that big of a deal though. I can adjust with in a pack or 2 to any common configuration on 65mm whoop and fly about the same.
I share your opinion of Happy Model but I have to say so far this has outlasted any other product of theirs that I’ve tried. Almost 70 packs through it and no issues. Well one, my canopy came molded off centre so I had to add a spacer and extra foam under the left side to get the camera to sit straight 🤪
If I’m not mistaken, the guys at NewBeeDrone have had all these features on their brushed boards for a while and now with the new brushless fc as well. Thanks for the great content.
Yes, but the newbeedrone boards with integrated vtx cost more than the entire mobula6 when I looked. The newbeedrone build as reviewed on another channel was also 3g heavier.
For someone wanting to get into the hobby, would you recommend the tinyhawk (s or 2), a mobula 6 or something completly different? My goal with the quad is to be able to fly indoors, as well as outdoors in the park on calm days. Thanks in advance for any recommendations
A whoop is a good idea. Right now it's actually an incredible time to start. There's a controller from new bee drone that looks like a toy but it actually performs fantastic. That's what I was using to fly in this video. It's like $50 and has far better range than anything else that works with whoops. After that, pickup any whoop really. Doesn't need to be this one but even this one is suitable. Don't expect it to last too long however. Everything breaks ultimately
The Nano looks good and cant decide an upgrade , Rc nano or predator 4 nano. Predator is heavier but my trashcan = 1102 on 2S 450 tattu's, motors stonecold, flighttime decent.. Hope i can get away with the weight but do you think the predator isnt all that better?
@@jackfpv8904 Ok but most of them come with an EOS2 with is 3.5grams anyway. My motors belong on a cinewhoop but i dont have the weight of a Caddx Turtle. So i have plenty of headroom on that build :P
@@boratsagdiyev1586 not realy. Only powerful 2S 75-85mm whoops comes with eos2. Smaller 65 whoops comes with tiny cameras. Best one from Newbeedrone. Now runcam nano 3 is even better option. I will buy another one as I do believe Runcam is a good quality product. I could be just that few unlucky customer.
I’m considering converting my mob6 25000kv into a 1s toothpick. I don’t have extra motors and i know you have a lot of experience with motor/prop combinations. Would the original 0802 25000kv motors provide enough torque to spin a 45-60mm low load biblade or are the motors to small? Also is the KV to high for such a large prop? Thanks kabab!!
Unfortunately those motors are too small and too poorly balanced to work well on the open prop platform. You can use the rest but I'd recommend some 1103 motors with that board and the HQ 65mm prop
Thing is i have a mobula7 (f4 version) and on the box it says mobula6/7 on it. The motors are actually fairly reliable now as (i may be wrong) they changed the way they welding of the motor shaft so depending on which batch you get they are fine. But guess mine is a v2 or something like that.
It a really sweet whoop!!! Happymodle is not my favorite company. But man i really want this whoop!!! Great flying!!!!!!! 👍😀👍 Love those tree's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5:435:44 that person was hidden very good in that tree!!! Think you really scared her hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey kabab, you said the nano 3 performs like the micro eagle, very exciting. Do you have any experience with how it performs with Rapidfire? Does it maintain a lock?
It does but I've had it jitter a little at times too. In usually not using the rapidfire mode most of the time for that reason. On any of my quads. I just run high output vtx's and I'm usually flying alone
Mine is the only one I've seen that has a long grey antenna type wire sticking out the side secured w/a zip tie to the guard. Strange... It has the stubby fat black wire which I assume is the receiver wire... So they used an antenna wire for the vtx?? Seems to have both poor rx range and vtx range...
@@eliasgkphoto Yes has the foam. Has the black antenna but no copper wire- basically a full sized receiver wire instead lol. I posted pic on Kababs FB group...
with the camera closer to the deck such that one was flying with that orientation, would it preform better? Like at this rate, then the camera becomes part of the fc board and then they just mold the frame around that.
@@Kabab ill admit, I havent flown a tinkhawk, just this chunky mobula7. Ill have to try one out sometime to see how it feels. But ya, I get what you're saying, like in comparison, the center of thrust is above the center of gravity so more dragging of momentum.
You generally never went to go below 3.3v. For 1S, you can go as low as 3.0v or even 2.9v because the amps typically aren't that high but you'll want to land before that because the overall craft performance will be terrible. In a way, 1S is somewhat self limiting. Don't charge last 4.22v. Forget liHV. It's not worth it. There's zero benefits, only downsides. I did a video on lipos vs liHV a while back after lots of testing. We don't carry HV in the store anymore either
Hit an miss with all these companies. Sucks that some companies have to steal ideas instead of mashing ideas together to come out with the ultimate whoops..awesome videos btw man!!
After flying around 40 packs, on rainy day, the receiver shorts, so i add external receiver, soldering was very hard. Now with stock battery, i found the cable become very hot, and sometime the osd fail to boot / the quad restart on throotle, however with tbs 300mah, it didnt happen. So far the built in vtx very good, i got low rssi while the picture still very clear
After flying fc with built in flight controller for years and other board with the vtx right on top of the fc i will say sometimes when some fc were heated up by the vtx the quad flew like crap so now a tiny whoop has an fc with a built in vtx constantly heating electronics that dont like heat, definitely not a good idea.
I have to say, from all of my woop/drone the one I learned most at start and got the most bashing is mobula7, I replace on it all the motors frames camera and vtx , but the board still goes strong, what I cannot say on others...
Are you still planning to release a DJI fpv compatible frame? There's not that many good ones on the market and in sure you would easily design the best one:)
The masterplan for this thing: -solder motors directly to it -flash BLHeli 16.67a12 (or the new version when it comes out) -change the frame to the new BetaFPV one optional: -change VTX-Antenna voilá, best whoop 2020 for a long time :D
@KababFPV I find it very commendable that you deliver such an honest review despite your experience with HappyModel !!! I ordered the 19000kv version two weeks ago. My Tiny.S didn't even work properly in 4 months, contact with emax ended after just one email. After weeks of measuring and trying out, I'm a little disappointed with Emax. Ok no problem, you can swap parts! The stupid thing, there are no compatible parts that fit in the T.S (except from Emax), even the motor connectors are a number smaller than normal !!! So I constructed a MobHawk S: Mobula V2 frame / T.S motors / HBS F4 AIO / Eachine TX06 / Oversky XR602T-A receiver / Gemfan 1636-4 => 26.0g With JESC 48khz and 450ma 1S I can easily fly 5min, no matter how much I beat the part through the house "NickBurns" style;) So much more power and flight stability / control, I'm just extremely pleasantly surprised :)
I do appreciate happymodel I just don't appreciate that they steal ideas and concepts from others along the way and don't care the least bit about reliability
Unfortunately there isn't any that's like this and modern. There are a few manufacturers that are working on 1s boards with a vtx built in but it'll be a while. Am alternative would just be a typical whoop from the past several years. Not like this one is any different. Just a tiny bit lighter.
In this case I wouldn't. I would actually recommend picking up either the new bee drone controller or beta controller since both have far better range than the Frsky controllers
So I just got one the other day it flies well but the camera angle is a bit aggressive. Anyone figure out if the camera is adjustable without pulling it all apart?
Mobula is *'da shit'* ... ;D Not into company-politics much and I absolutely would recommend a Mobula (the product!) to anyone without hesitation. Thanks for sharing your tune.
Thanks Bob for another great review. I love this guy for flying at home. The camera clarity blew me away! I have Snapper7, Mobula7, Mobula HD and this one, so far I only had one issue with M7 and the crazy/board issue, still flies in D8 though... You and Andy RC love to say however! 😉
Hi man, want to ask about gyro notch and D term notch , okay i turn it on, how about others? Like D term lowpass and gyro lowpass, still have turn it on? That D term notch how much we use the number ? 260Hz ? And gyro notch is 400Hz ? Please share , thank you
@@Kabab i power gyro notch from basic 400hz to 100 is good, because its get noise when using 400hz, btw you PID its very good to use for 19000kv version, ^^
KababFPV yes i also fly slow rates because my brain cant keep up the higer rates.. But yours are more linear, when i try to have a linear rates, i cant do a slow-fast-slow kind of cool manouvers.. I dunno but i always think the super rates is the one that helps to achieved that moves.
Gday Bob, i agree with you on happymodel I'm not a fan of there micro's, batteries and parts there not great quality and dont seem to last, great flying exercising the dogs at park that was cool flying great review mate.👍🛸
HappyModel doesn't have bad build quality with their FC boards. Quite the opposite. Their original F3 1S board is near indestructible. What they do have was a bad design of their later 2S board, that went poof when you plugged in a battery every once in a while. That was bad board design. But build quality is pretty good on their boards.
@@Kabab thanks, just test it with bf 3.5.7 and i can feel the difference.. it more smooth and lock when cornering.. the only one issue is just i feel like lack of throttle.. should i set throttle curve? it feels like the throttle stick should be more up compare to meteor65 with same kv motor, blade and batt..
@@racabon happy model stuff tend to perform great when they work. The issue is the working part. Even if you get a good one, it's not gonna last many packs
@@Kabab Noted. I bought a eachine E010s a while ago, and I flew it some, it caught it on fire, it caught on fire and i stomped it out, bent the frame back replaced it with a different motor and changed the battery plug. It sucks lol, has to be worse then the mobula.
is anyone flying with 650 mah 50c 1s batteries?? is the only thing i could get quick. and i tried to fly today with the stock PID's and it was imposible to recover after dives or sharp turns.. it just went to the ground... Maybe is too much weight?? it seems powerful enough to manage that weight.
I have the flysky version and I'm getting failsafes with my Nirvana at about 20 metres :( I have a crazybee f4 pro build and a UR65 that are both fine out to about 50m. Anyone else with the flysky version having this issue?
I'm using a new controller here. I didn't mention it but this new controller works excellent with the crappy SPI receivers and the range is fantastic. About 1km
One of these random companies made a board. It burnt out almost instantly. I also commissioned one to be made myself and it too lasted one battery before popping. This was years ago. Nothing was remotely reliable. I dunno what I was thinking
Order from 12-12 still waiting until Feb at banggood.... argh. Sent you tons of $$$ bro! Next time I'm back in venice can I crash on your couch cuz I'm broke :)
I don't know why you are so harsh with HappyModel, I have Snapper 6, Snapper 7, Mobula 7 and Mobula 7 HD, they are great, the only one that failed was the Snapper 7, but I crashed it a lot so I think it's my fault.
I'm harsh with them because they stole my concepts and demolished my market with a POS that was unreliable but much cheaper because it was made of confetti and cheese.
if happy model is so bad then why do they make the best whoops? The Mob7 is still the best 2s and now the mob6 is the best. How do you make a product that is a copy if it is better then what everyone else has?
Well I did say they make things that perform great....if they work. They just happen to stop working a lot more often than many would expect. Not all of them break but the failure rate isn't the lowest
Runcam Nano3 on my Mobula6 died in only less then ten flights. Whoop is great but Runcam disappoints me. I swap camera with left over camera from another micro quad and now its 22 grams, and it's still fly great.
Flown with NewBeeDrone Beemote Controller? Sounds like you really like it. "works excellent with the crappy SPI receivers and the range is fantastic. About 1km" "performs fantastic" "has far better range than anything else that works with whoops" Looks like a good one to recommend to a beginner, since it has simulator support and is so affordable and compact. You otherwise fly with a Taranis, and you prefer to use Crossfire, yeah? Do you find the Beemote is better than your Taranis when flying FrSky? --- Link to Mr ShutterBug's channel: th-cam.com/channels/kSK8m82tMekBEXzh1k6RKA.htmlvideos
@KababFPV Now I know what you meant by happymodel and quality control :) My Mobula 6 finally arrived yesterday in the 25000kv version. But: out of the box weight 20.8g and with the included Flysky receiver (1.1g) => 21.9g The SPI Rx has a worse range than my Eachine H8 Mini no joke !!! And the VTX range is the worst i have ever seen in 25mw category and the antenna is a very bad joke !!! But the worst thing is my frame is completely distorted, it is impossible to tune out. So far flop rather than top :|
I've got some super happymodel fanboys saying they have over 1000 flights on whatever quad and it's great and I don't know what I'm talking about. For every one of those, there are five people that either say they'll never buy a happymodel anything again or sharing their failures either out of the box or within a few flights. From my own experience with the Toothpick line, the happymodel boards were burning out within 5 flights and people were buying them buy the dozen to get one that worked....This company lives to just steal money from the industry and they do it by making their prices more attractive than anyone else.
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My settings:
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Pitch: 75, 25, 75
Yaw: 90, 90, 0
TPA: 0.80 Breakpoint: 1490
Turn on first gyro notch, turn on D term notch filters
Same rates for pitch roll yaw
RC Rate: 0.95
Super Rate: 0.55
RC Expo: 0.00
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Are these pids for 4.0?
Witch 1 is this? My 19000kv came whit bf 3.5.7 my 25000 kB came whit bf 4.0.6 what did yours come whit?
KababFPV I just tried your pids and my rolls and flips are SUPERRR slow. Any idea what I might have messed up?
@@aoutivd yeah they're supposed to be super slow. 😅. Super slow means super in control and smooth. Increase the super rate back to around 0.65 if you want to roll and flip faster.
Isn't d too much?
Been flying a UR65 since August 2018 now, no broken parts at all, very impressed with the reliability
Yea same here. A great whoop. I'm going to give the moby6 a go as the camera looks great.
Old post but still one of the best whoops around in my opinion. I've had mine for years and it still flies great.
Over 100 batteries in and mine is still going strong. Biggest thing is to not leave it plugged into your computer for any length of time or you are going to cook that vtx. NBD learned this.
I’m hoping this one isn’t a fluke and have another on the way to see if it holds up.
Is it the perfect Whoop racer? No, lack of CP antenna or easily changeable vtx antenna and no LEDS keep it from that crown, but right now it’s the best 65mm BNF for brushless Angle racing, especially coupled with Emuflight and 48khz full throttle resolution
Project Mockingbird Will it get your tune, kind Sir? I love it on my NewBeeDrone MB edition! Thanks!
@@marsmachine1156 yes, getting close on a Emuflight PMB for it and it's flying AMAZING in angle mode right now with their new Whoop based features that BF doesn't have. :)
Love my 19000kv Mobula6. Hapymodel have come on in leaps and bounds in 2021
The meteor 65 frame deals with the battery weight issue as it makes the frame low profile, and feels a lot better and is lighter and stronger too, definitely worth swapping out to one imo.
I’m getting mine Monday. Went with 25,000 kv because I’d like to use xt30 for ease of charging and Nick Burns was getting a lot better battery life.
Try Emuflight + JESC
th-cam.com/video/NKhv-z1jrPE/w-d-xo.html
I like happymodel, i give them props, pun intended
I just purchased the mobula 7 kit with 4 250 hv batteries for my nephew two weeks ago. The dam thing is awsome to fly. We even flew it in high wind. It flutters around but still flyable. After about a week of abuse the frames all taped up but still works. What I need is a carbon whoop frame haha
I have had beta 2s bats that have been great all around
The little Frenchie is adorable! Ive been thinking about adding one to the family.
I have my mobula6 on emuf with jesc48khz and it flies amazing. Near 6 min flytime on 300mah 1s lipo is crazy.
Have you thought about top mount batteries for whoops? In mobula6 it is pretty easy to remove the canopy, transfer the camera to front between ducts (lowrider style) and then you can put the battery on top of the board.
yeah that would be a good way to go. It would take a bit of redesigning however.
There's something about these reviews that just makes me smile :))) Keep on doing that :D
I have to say my mobula 7 have been for more than 1 Year my most reliable quad!
Same here
That dog in the background trips me out. I always have to pause to see if my dog is barking, then I remember.
I always appreciate your reviews, even when they seem really biased, like this one. I have found QC issues with a lot of manufacturers, including GepRC ( really poor customer service, they wanted me to pay for replacing the defective quad they sent me), BetaFPV ( 2 dud quads , first 5 flights on both ), and I won't even talk Eachine. So far, my 2 Mobula7's are working better than any other quads I've owned. This hobby does not have near enough volume demand for manufacturers to care too much about quality control.
Yeah the issue isn't just with happymodel, they've just had it really really bad in the past.
Really? Volume should dictate whether what a customer orders they actually receive? I work with and travel to China regularly and this is more of a cultural phenomenon with China built stuff. They tend to prioritize profit over all else however this isnt the case globally, for example Japanese electronics or even Swiss watches that are made in small batches have the highest quality because its culturally part of how they think, i.e. making profit is "worthless" if their name is associated with poor quality product. Go across the border from China to South Korea and we can see a much better quality/profit cultural fit (for the consumer).
I liked your comment about how at that low of an amp draw the solid pin PH2.0 is gonna be perfectly adequate for this build. I’m sure BT2.0 has its place but not necessarily here. Makes a lot of sense to me.
The bt2 will be noticably better on this. But just a really little bit. I don't think it's worth the hassle
I’d like to see an ultralight 65mm whoop 2s set up with the pigtails like the og mob7 (In series w two connectors) but with the BT2.0 connectors.
You are awesome apart from quad.... point to point and clear review....I m not smelling like hype and paid kinda review.....keep it up man....
Agreed. Definitely among my top reviewers, he is the complete opposite of the stupid drone camps channel
sadly the solid pin PH2.0 performs similar to BT2.0 only the first 50 batteries or so until the plating is scraped of
Oh intesting. I did not know that either. Hmmm 🤔🤔🤔
@@Kabab The JST datasheet for the PH connector is an interesting read :) (the long version, not the 3page marketing thingy)
@@VincentFischer The first thing that fails is the female connector on the battery in my own experience, the male connector is much more resilient. I replace the female connectors on my batteries 3 times before the battery is due to be trashed.
@@RockTouching You sure about that? Let's say for example you have twenty batteries for your kwad, that would mean the connector on the craft has 20times more mating cycles to withstand.
@@VincentFischer in my experience yes. I first noticed when I paralled charged new batteries with old (20-30 cycles old) batteries, the old batteries wouldn't get charged. Their internal resistence was 200+. When I replaced the female connector It dropped to 100 ohm and was able to charge them with the new batteries. In my opinion the female connector has to withstand more stress, and can get enlarged pretty quickly (insert joke here), thus making less and less contact. Also the batteries have to get charged, so that's 2x mating cycles right there.
Hey Bob just an update on the mobula6 I've flown about a 150 packs and a lot of them one right after the other, and I'm happy to say no issues, looks like maybe they fixed their quality control problem.
👌. Many others have reported them being broken out the box. 😔
I have one on the way, looking forward to it... Although the battery pendulum effect is real my mobula7 on 2*250mah is almost perfect after flying with 2*300mah more punch longer flight but more throttle is needed to get around corners.
1.ESC replaced
2.motor shafts on the front two motors snapped (separately) repeated door trim hits
3.going on the trashcan frame 3rd frame.
Man that fc looks perfect for the babypick. To bad for the quality control like u meantioned. I’ll definitely hold off on that fc till I see a lot of reviews. As of now I’m using a beta 1s board with no rx. So adding the rx and vtx is adding a decent amount of weight. I’m converting my rdq 525s to xt 30 soon. Probably order some 600s from your store come spring. To much snow here lol. Worried I’m gonna be over that magic 56grams auw. Really would love a all in one option like this. Wish NamelessRC made a all in one 1s board.
TP and Whoops are the future.
I got both variants, the 19000kv version has betaflight 3.5.7 and no foam under the camera while the 25000kv shipped with 4.0.6 and a foam peanut under the camera... Batteries are also loose in the mount to the point I had to add a loom band to secure them. (Thanks to Nick Burns for that idea) otherwise they fly great and no issues yet after about 40 packs through each over the last 3 weeks.
Which kv version do you prefer?
@@jenspenttila overall the 19kv, you get longer flight-time and its far more manageable indoors which is where these are best suited to anyway Not a huge loss in performance. the 25k for indoor track events say inside a sports hall and it'll handle tricks better :)
@@Burn377 thanks!
In my opinion under mount toilet tank as close to the flight controller as possible. AIO cam as close to center over FC is the best feel on 65mm whoopclass.
I must add. It's not that big of a deal though. I can adjust with in a pack or 2 to any common configuration on 65mm whoop and fly about the same.
I share your opinion of Happy Model but I have to say so far this has outlasted any other product of theirs that I’ve tried. Almost 70 packs through it and no issues. Well one, my canopy came molded off centre so I had to add a spacer and extra foam under the left side to get the camera to sit straight 🤪
that sounds FANTASTIC because it would fit my BabyTooth product incredibly well if everything holds up.
For more longer flight times and better performance i found the 19 000kV version better. Choose wisely! 2x k is more for speed.
Can always limit throttle a little. They're not that different to need much limiting
@@Kabab Woah I never thought of that.
If I’m not mistaken, the guys at NewBeeDrone have had all these features on their brushed boards for a while and now with the new brushless fc as well.
Thanks for the great content.
Ya we're getting those at FPVCycle soon
Yes, but the newbeedrone boards with integrated vtx cost more than the entire mobula6 when I looked. The newbeedrone build as reviewed on another channel was also 3g heavier.
For someone wanting to get into the hobby, would you recommend the tinyhawk (s or 2), a mobula 6 or something completly different?
My goal with the quad is to be able to fly indoors, as well as outdoors in the park on calm days.
Thanks in advance for any recommendations
A whoop is a good idea. Right now it's actually an incredible time to start. There's a controller from new bee drone that looks like a toy but it actually performs fantastic. That's what I was using to fly in this video. It's like $50 and has far better range than anything else that works with whoops. After that, pickup any whoop really. Doesn't need to be this one but even this one is suitable. Don't expect it to last too long however. Everything breaks ultimately
@@Kabab Could you tell us more about it, a link perhaps? Great vid and review btw!
Fantastic flying and review, Bob! 😃
Looks like you're not afraid of the dogs anymore! 😂
The Nano looks good and cant decide an upgrade , Rc nano or predator 4 nano.
Predator is heavier but my trashcan = 1102 on 2S 450 tattu's, motors stonecold, flighttime decent..
Hope i can get away with the weight but do you think the predator isnt all that better?
the new foxeer nano razer may be the best option yet for nano's intended for quads bigger than a whoop.
@@Kabab why ? 14mm fits any whoop i assume
@@boratsagdiyev1586 cause of weight. Rancam nano3 is 1.5 grams. All rest of nanos are 3 plus.
@@jackfpv8904 Ok but most of them come with an EOS2 with is 3.5grams anyway. My motors belong on a cinewhoop but i dont have the weight of a Caddx Turtle. So i have plenty of headroom on that build :P
@@boratsagdiyev1586 not realy. Only powerful 2S 75-85mm whoops comes with eos2. Smaller 65 whoops comes with tiny cameras. Best one from Newbeedrone.
Now runcam nano 3 is even better option. I will buy another one as I do believe Runcam is a good quality product. I could be just that few unlucky customer.
Lets all pray we can fly these for the rest of our lives 🤞
I haven't found anything that fly's like my Tinyhawk... Still love it.Thanks for being honest.
I’m considering converting my mob6 25000kv into a 1s toothpick. I don’t have extra motors and i know you have a lot of experience with motor/prop combinations. Would the original 0802 25000kv motors provide enough torque to spin a 45-60mm low load biblade or are the motors to small? Also is the KV to high for such a large prop? Thanks kabab!!
Unfortunately those motors are too small and too poorly balanced to work well on the open prop platform. You can use the rest but I'd recommend some 1103 motors with that board and the HQ 65mm prop
KababFPV what KV would you recommend
thank you very much for this comprehensive review, happy weekend 🔥🔥
I love your videos! Pls help me! What tiny whoop is best to start fpv with?? For both indoor and outdoor. Much love
Tinyhawk is the best performing whoop-ish thing
KababFPV you the best !! Thank you ! You are inspiring!! Do you mean the tinyhawk 2?
Thing is i have a mobula7 (f4 version) and on the box it says mobula6/7 on it. The motors are actually fairly reliable now as (i may be wrong) they changed the way they welding of the motor shaft so depending on which batch you get they are fine. But guess mine is a v2 or something like that.
It a really sweet whoop!!! Happymodle is not my favorite company. But man i really want this whoop!!! Great flying!!!!!!!
👍😀👍
Love those tree's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5:43 5:44 that person was hidden very good in that tree!!! Think you really scared her hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey kabab, you said the nano 3 performs like the micro eagle, very exciting. Do you have any experience with how it performs with Rapidfire? Does it maintain a lock?
It does but I've had it jitter a little at times too. In usually not using the rapidfire mode most of the time for that reason. On any of my quads. I just run high output vtx's and I'm usually flying alone
Mine is the only one I've seen that has a long grey antenna type wire sticking out the side secured w/a zip tie to the guard. Strange... It has the stubby fat black wire which I assume is the receiver wire... So they used an antenna wire for the vtx?? Seems to have both poor rx range and vtx range...
very strange
@@eliasgkphoto Yes has the foam. Has the black antenna but no copper wire- basically a full sized receiver wire instead lol. I posted pic on Kababs FB group...
with the camera closer to the deck such that one was flying with that orientation, would it preform better? Like at this rate, then the camera becomes part of the fc board and then they just mold the frame around that.
Na that's not the issue. The battery is just hung too low vs where the physical center of the quad is.
@@Kabab ill admit, I havent flown a tinkhawk, just this chunky mobula7. Ill have to try one out sometime to see how it feels. But ya, I get what you're saying, like in comparison, the center of thrust is above the center of gravity so more dragging of momentum.
That dog was very excited for the Mob6 apparently
Thank you for your review. What is your opinion about the lowest safe voltage for 1S LiPo and Lipo HV battery?
You generally never went to go below 3.3v. For 1S, you can go as low as 3.0v or even 2.9v because the amps typically aren't that high but you'll want to land before that because the overall craft performance will be terrible. In a way, 1S is somewhat self limiting. Don't charge last 4.22v. Forget liHV. It's not worth it. There's zero benefits, only downsides. I did a video on lipos vs liHV a while back after lots of testing. We don't carry HV in the store anymore either
Hit an miss with all these companies. Sucks that some companies have to steal ideas instead of mashing ideas together to come out with the ultimate whoops..awesome videos btw man!!
After flying around 40 packs, on rainy day, the receiver shorts, so i add external receiver, soldering was very hard.
Now with stock battery, i found the cable become very hot, and sometime the osd fail to boot / the quad restart on throotle, however with tbs 300mah, it didnt happen.
So far the built in vtx very good, i got low rssi while the picture still very clear
Intesting. That sounds great but sorry for the failure.
After flying fc with built in flight controller for years and other board with the vtx right on top of the fc i will say sometimes when some fc were heated up by the vtx the quad flew like crap so now a tiny whoop has an fc with a built in vtx constantly heating electronics that dont like heat, definitely not a good idea.
Yeah back in the day it made an impact. These days the code is so good it can compensate pretty well. A human is unlikely to notice.
I have to say, from all of my woop/drone the one I learned most at start and got the most bashing is mobula7, I replace on it all the motors frames camera and vtx , but the board still goes strong, what I cannot say on others...
well you rebuilt the entire thing....but sure, it got you going so all good.
On the street scraping quad, Is it the quad, or are you using something like the Aviator control? Your killing me, I need to know, lol
the quad is actually scraping the street. It's just a regular quad setup. Nothing special. Just been tuned to be REALLY easy to fly.
Are you still planning to release a DJI fpv compatible frame? There's not that many good ones on the market and in sure you would easily design the best one:)
Yeah I'm working on three at the moment.
The masterplan for this thing:
-solder motors directly to it
-flash BLHeli 16.67a12 (or the new version when it comes out)
-change the frame to the new BetaFPV one
optional:
-change VTX-Antenna
voilá, best whoop 2020 for a long time :D
ah and change those motors. Pickle Juice
incoming for that quad!
@KababFPV
I find it very commendable that you deliver such an honest review despite your experience with HappyModel !!!
I ordered the 19000kv version two weeks ago.
My Tiny.S didn't even work properly in 4 months, contact with emax ended after just one email.
After weeks of measuring and trying out, I'm a little disappointed with Emax.
Ok no problem, you can swap parts!
The stupid thing, there are no compatible parts that fit in the T.S (except from Emax), even the motor connectors are a number smaller than normal !!!
So I constructed a MobHawk S:
Mobula V2 frame / T.S motors / HBS F4 AIO / Eachine TX06 / Oversky XR602T-A receiver / Gemfan 1636-4 => 26.0g
With JESC 48khz and 450ma 1S I can easily fly 5min, no matter how much I beat the part through the house "NickBurns" style;)
So much more power and flight stability / control, I'm just extremely pleasantly surprised :)
I do appreciate happymodel I just don't appreciate that they steal ideas and concepts from others along the way and don't care the least bit about reliability
What is best alternative? I mean with better quality.
Unfortunately there isn't any that's like this and modern. There are a few manufacturers that are working on 1s boards with a vtx built in but it'll be a while. Am alternative would just be a typical whoop from the past several years. Not like this one is any different. Just a tiny bit lighter.
Hello could u possibly do a video on how to install a reciever on the mobula6
Thanks
In this case I wouldn't. I would actually recommend picking up either the new bee drone controller or beta controller since both have far better range than the Frsky controllers
So I just got one the other day it flies well but the camera angle is a bit aggressive. Anyone figure out if the camera is adjustable without pulling it all apart?
Mobula is *'da shit'* ... ;D Not into company-politics much and I absolutely would recommend a Mobula (the product!) to anyone without hesitation. Thanks for sharing your tune.
Thanks Bob for another great review. I love this guy for flying at home. The camera clarity blew me away! I have Snapper7, Mobula7, Mobula HD and this one, so far I only had one issue with M7 and the crazy/board issue, still flies in D8 though... You and Andy RC love to say however! 😉
I love the confidence of the whole probably gonna fail thing lol
well it's happened about 40 times so yeah, pretty confident but holy hell do I hope I'm wrong.
Totally I hope it holds up cuz it seems pretty good so far in this new series of brushless whoops
@@nonplayercharacter9653 it's definitely one of the best performing traditional whoops I've flown.
@@Kabab Is the Mob6 unreliable ? Thinking of picking one up but not if its going to die in a month or so
@@Spideystrat there aren't any super reliable brushless aio whoop boards unfortunately. The happtmodel stuff are typically worse than average
@KababFPV put the Mob6 in a Meteor65 frame and battery will be better placed.
It says 3.8 volts on the batterie. Am i only allowed to charge them to 3.8V and not 4.2?
3.8v is the normal running voltage. You can charge them to 4.2
I'm having old one. The New one.. looks better runcam!
Is it bad that they're (happy model) copying other drone pilots? I'd call that research, but whatever. 😛 great review as always!
Hi man, want to ask about gyro notch and D term notch , okay i turn it on, how about others? Like D term lowpass and gyro lowpass, still have turn it on?
That D term notch how much we use the number ? 260Hz ?
And gyro notch is 400Hz ? Please share , thank you
Yeah you're supposed to use black box and tune that. Without tuning it's basically just a guess but a lot of the time it's an accurate guess
@@Kabab i power gyro notch from basic 400hz to 100 is good, because its get noise when using 400hz, btw you PID its very good to use for 19000kv version, ^^
Did it fail yet or did you bin it before it failed???
I've only flown it for 4 packs so far. I've got such little time to fly anything :-(
Why use low rates with this 1s micro? Did you fly low rates now?
Over the years my rates keep getting lower and lower. Who needs to flip 30 times a second?
KababFPV yes i also fly slow rates because my brain cant keep up the higer rates.. But yours are more linear, when i try to have a linear rates, i cant do a slow-fast-slow kind of cool manouvers.. I dunno but i always think the super rates is the one that helps to achieved that moves.
@@TERBANGFPV it's very personal. Set it up how you like best.
Gday Bob, i agree with you on happymodel I'm not a fan of there micro's, batteries and parts there not great quality and dont seem to last, great flying exercising the dogs at park that was cool flying great review mate.👍🛸
HappyModel doesn't have bad build quality with their FC boards. Quite the opposite. Their original F3 1S board is near indestructible. What they do have was a bad design of their later 2S board, that went poof when you plugged in a battery every once in a while. That was bad board design. But build quality is pretty good on their boards.
The original 1s boards were near bulletproof. Later batches were awful
Can you change the antenna on the board vtx? Im gonna get the board and use betafpv 22k motors
yeah you can but the one on there is actually pretty good I'd say
KababFPV asking just incase it gets ripped off
Is Sub250gram the future of FPV??
if were lucky, its a future i could live with though
Isn't the Mobula 7 already out? Or am I trippin
Ya this is the smaller 1s counterpart
hi, is your PID works for Betaflight 4.1 with rpm filtering? thanks
Probably but I strongly recommend sticking to 3.7.5 for micros or emuflight
@@Kabab thanks, just test it with bf 3.5.7 and i can feel the difference.. it more smooth and lock when cornering.. the only one issue is just i feel like lack of throttle.. should i set throttle curve? it feels like the throttle stick should be more up compare to meteor65 with same kv motor, blade and batt..
@@puturai as in the throttle is too powerful? You can try a curve as well as a throttle cut. Either or both.
@@Kabab it feels like under power, i had to maintain the throttle stick more than 50%.. but thanks for the share, my mobula feel much better now
@@puturai very unusual. This should be really powerful
I’m still waiting for BG to send mine. Hope I Get it before March 🤣
Me too 🙄 preordered it in the beginning of december. Still no delivery. But i ordered the flysky 19000kv Version maybe thats the Problem 😂🤦♂️
"I am gonna try not to be bias" 0:00-2:45 Wow happy model sucks, they are such a bad company, anyway onto the thing you cam here for.
What can I say, it's trash
@@Kabab smh lol, well. You seemed to like the drone, besides all the happy modle bullying hahaha
@@racabon happy model stuff tend to perform great when they work. The issue is the working part. Even if you get a good one, it's not gonna last many packs
@@Kabab Noted. I bought a eachine E010s a while ago, and I flew it some, it caught it on fire, it caught on fire and i stomped it out, bent the frame back replaced it with a different motor and changed the battery plug. It sucks lol, has to be worse then the mobula.
the two guys are very curious about what youre doing..
get them into the addiction.. :)
one of them talked to me about FPV for over an hour. He has a software engineering background and was super duper interested.
@Sasha Kruse Grim i can totally agree :D
is anyone flying with 650 mah 50c 1s batteries?? is the only thing i could get quick. and i tried to fly today with the stock PID's and it was imposible to recover after dives or sharp turns.. it just went to the ground... Maybe is too much weight?? it seems powerful enough to manage that weight.
Too much weight unfortunately
My dog went nuts over the birds chirping in the background
is Happymodel not actally Eachine ?
Eachine is just a brand name banggood stick on things built by a lot of different companies
Eachine is not happymodel. They just rebrand a lot of their crap.
Eachine doesn't actually make anything. They only rebrand
@@Kabab ah okay.
Like racestar, furybee and all that.
Didn't know that
I have the flysky version and I'm getting failsafes with my Nirvana at about 20 metres :( I have a crazybee f4 pro build and a UR65 that are both fine out to about 50m. Anyone else with the flysky version having this issue?
discord2000 I’ll let you know
Monday.
I'm using a new controller here. I didn't mention it but this new controller works excellent with the crappy SPI receivers and the range is fantastic. About 1km
@@Kabab lol. You stay leaving all the info out. Thats what makes you official
@@Kabab Which protocol is the new controller using?
@@LotharKrupka , guessing it's the NewBeeDrone Beemote Controller, which uses FrSky.
Less than 60 procent 😳 OMG THATS CRAZY
Mobula 6 or Tinyhawk 2?
Hard choice. Both great. No wrong choice. Maybe the tinyhawk will last longer if the happymodel breaks like the company is known for
@@Kabab Thanks😊
Will the RC nano 3 fit in the tiny hawk s?
maybe. I haven't tried but I would bet no it will not. The cam in there is much smaller. You'd need to modify the canopy portion
Honestly I love how much u hate happymodle makes the review nice rather then the typical sooo awesome blah blah
🙈 see the latest one on the larva thing. I tried to be totally neutral
Looking for a BF4.X good tuned dump for 25K motors. Who can share that ?
Ask the fb groups.
Does this bind to the x9 lite? Thanks!
Unfortunately no. The x9 lite doesn't do D8 or D16
Who has done a fc with rx and vtx built in? I would like to vheck it out
One of these random companies made a board. It burnt out almost instantly. I also commissioned one to be made myself and it too lasted one battery before popping. This was years ago. Nothing was remotely reliable. I dunno what I was thinking
what have you got against them ?
why buy there products if you "hate" the company.
I explain all that in this video...
Order from 12-12 still waiting until Feb at banggood.... argh. Sent you tons of $$$ bro! Next time I'm back in venice can I crash on your couch cuz I'm broke :)
I don't know why you are so harsh with HappyModel, I have Snapper 6, Snapper 7, Mobula 7 and Mobula 7 HD, they are great, the only one that failed was the Snapper 7, but I crashed it a lot so I think it's my fault.
I'm harsh with them because they stole my concepts and demolished my market with a POS that was unreliable but much cheaper because it was made of confetti and cheese.
cute dog
Props out? Interesting
like I said, someone there knows what's up
Dude you have a frenchie! I want one lol! Review your frenchie!
🙈
I’m stupid. I know this. 😛
if happy model is so bad then why do they make the best whoops? The Mob7 is still the best 2s and now the mob6 is the best. How do you make a product that is a copy if it is better then what everyone else has?
Well I did say they make things that perform great....if they work. They just happen to stop working a lot more often than many would expect. Not all of them break but the failure rate isn't the lowest
He looks so cute tho
Runcam Nano3 on my Mobula6 died in only less then ten flights.
Whoop is great but Runcam disappoints me.
I swap camera with left over camera from another micro quad and now its 22 grams, and it's still fly great.
that's very very very unusual. Runcam typically has the very best reliability among all the camera companies.
@@Kabab agreed. I have bunch of Eagle micro for 2 years and never fail. And I have bad luck with nano1 and nano3. Nano2 still working fine )))).
Happymodel like welp we cant use his video on our site.
lol they can suck it. I'll say whatever I feel is most honest with as much information as I have available to me
Flown with NewBeeDrone Beemote Controller? Sounds like you really like it. "works excellent with the crappy SPI receivers and the range is fantastic. About 1km" "performs fantastic" "has far better range than anything else that works with whoops"
Looks like a good one to recommend to a beginner, since it has simulator support and is so affordable and compact.
You otherwise fly with a Taranis, and you prefer to use Crossfire, yeah? Do you find the Beemote is better than your Taranis when flying FrSky?
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Link to Mr ShutterBug's channel: th-cam.com/channels/kSK8m82tMekBEXzh1k6RKA.htmlvideos
link added. thanks for reminding me
I like to copy the good things from happymodel, Take the canopy and cam and replace the rest with reliable components. 😀😂
5:43 lol...
25,000 kv ftw!!
it's 1s
KababFPV bruh I know. I have one
KababFPV and I love it
@KababFPV
Now I know what you meant by happymodel and quality control :)
My Mobula 6 finally arrived yesterday in the 25000kv version.
But: out of the box weight 20.8g and with the included Flysky receiver (1.1g) => 21.9g
The SPI Rx has a worse range than my Eachine H8 Mini no joke !!!
And the VTX range is the worst i have ever seen in 25mw category and the antenna is a very bad joke !!!
But the worst thing is my frame is completely distorted, it is impossible to tune out.
So far flop rather than top :|
I've got some super happymodel fanboys saying they have over 1000 flights on whatever quad and it's great and I don't know what I'm talking about. For every one of those, there are five people that either say they'll never buy a happymodel anything again or sharing their failures either out of the box or within a few flights. From my own experience with the Toothpick line, the happymodel boards were burning out within 5 flights and people were buying them buy the dozen to get one that worked....This company lives to just steal money from the industry and they do it by making their prices more attractive than anyone else.