You're not supposed to. Listen to what you like, they will listen to what they like and the world keeps turning. They're not trying to tell you not to be a fan if you are one.
@@tytomasoski238 Thanks off the suggestion, I'm watching it now. And this guy does not understand what selling-out means, at all. It's got nothing to do with how popular they become. I mean look at Tool, one of the most respected bands in the world, now imagine Tool singing a poppy song about "America" Infront of a giant green flag... That's what selling out is.
I never cared what's cool or not. I'm 30 now and I still listen to Deftones, Limp Bizkit, Linking Park, Disturbed, Korn and SOAD. They are baked into my DNA by now 😅
Dig by mudvayne is a perfect example of what these group of people needed back then, song starts like something is going to explode in a very angry mind and then growls "yeeaaaahh" while downtuned heavy riffs are playing with pure anger.
But the thing is, Slipknot stopped being NU since IOWA.......I don't understand why they are put with NU-Metal! Slipknot and Limb biscuit sound NOTHING alike.....
I will always love nu metal, and I wish it was still as popular as it used to be. I grew up with Korn, Limp Bizkit, Disturbed, SOAD, RATM, Linkin Park, Slipknot, Evanescence, Mudvayne, Sevendust, Static X. I wish there was a new generation of nu metal bands, but I still listen to these bands on a regular basis, especially when I go running, and I still buy new Korn and slipknot and Disturbed albums when they come out. First concerts I went to were summer sanitarium tour in 2003 with Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Metallica and Mudvayne, and Ozzfest 2003 with Korn and Disturbed and I just saw Korn, Evanescence, and RATM this summer and they were still incredible! I listen to many different genres of music, but these bands will always be my favorite to see live and nu metal will always be my favorite subgenre of rock!
I think nu metal bands like Grade 8, Motograter, Twisted Method, and others could’ve became popular if their debut albums came out before 2003. FFDP wouldn’t probably exist because Ivan would still be in Motograter!
@finnmckenty do you have any Sevendust interviews or coverage of their long career where they've never been huge, but maintained a diehard 700-1k level of fanbase that never misses a show when they come around.
My dad is a pilot and he met them once on a plane. Very polite, very chill. Didn't demand rockstar treatment or bother anyone. That's not true of a lot of bands. I respect that they don't have giant egos and seem to just see themselves as normal people.
I’m a 38 Hispanic male, I loved the top Nu-Metal bands listed when I first heard them, and I still listen to them today. I have seen Korn in concert more than any other band, and I bought tickets to see Slipknot for the 2nd time this year. I may be a minority, plus, I had never heard of any of the bands you listed at the end. But, overall, great and accurate analysis.
I'm 40 and White, and am utterly confused why everybody's posting their race in a metal discussion. Almost like they're conditioned to expect automatic accolades for being the right shade...
Not a chance.. They were soo cool on other peoples albums songs But they were rightfully mainstream HATED with the WHite Pony sappysap. Reminds of a less mainstream Staind... Yeah i can say i hate em.
@@MKAnr1 Maybe they got more popular but the quality of their music dropped. They lost their rage, their energy and their desire to make people move; instead they just started writing slow jams with some pinch harmonics so they could tell people they never stopped being heavy
Same here surprisingly. Crazy to think that I play heavier shit than this but through linkin park, I discovered disturbed, Slipknot, and eventually bands like JFAC, etc.
@@ECL28E In the End was on Kidz Bop? WTF? Are you serious? That's just wrong, little kids shouldn't be getting full frontal nihilism at such a young age.
Woodstock was sick. I was not there though I just was born in 99 xD but from what I saw on the video from woodstock that is uploaded on youtube with the performance of Limp Bizkit. Holy shit that crowd was moving. But then again a woman got raped there thats a little brutal but besides that woodstock 99 looked like one hell of a live concert.
I'm 50 and Nu-metal was something I was concerned with ... at first for about 5 minutes. I think it has more to do about *which* band and *which* songs. Korn was one of the first bands I remember who came on heavy and hard and sang about family dysfunction and isolation. Yes, Grunge did that (and so did some old school rock) but it was kind of like Grungelike lyrics but heavy. As for the music, it was simply different. But to say that they didn't have something meaningful to say - I think the gatekeepers had that wrong. These were angry kids. They *tried* the grunge approach and nobody listened. Conversely bands like LimpBizkit - if you took them at face value - were just fun (core-pop?)
Nu Metal was cool. Still is. It wasn’t corny at all, around here if you didn’t listen to Bizkit, Korn, Deftones, Slipknot etc, shred a skateboard, spray paint, and get high, you werernt cool at all. You’re the best, Fin. I can watch these all day long! 🤘🏻
I don’t care what the critics say. Let people listen to what they want. There is *nothing* wrong with listening to Nu Metal. Rather it’d be Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin Park, Slipknot, or really any Nu Metal band. I would like to see Nu Metal make a comeba- Oh yeah, Korn and Slipknot made great comebacks this year! Anyway. Don’t let the death of Nu Metal ruin your love of the genre, or stopping you from getting into it. If anyone says it’s wrong to listen to Nu Metal, that’s their problem. Thank you Punk Rock MBA for making this video and giving a respect to the fans
The only thing dead about nu metal is the label nor slipknot, mudvayne or mushroomhead in my opinion are nu metal bands they never were korn on the other hand are still going strong to this day so the only thing dead here is the term nu metal
Nu-Metal has always been my favorite Genre/Time Period in Music. I still listen to sooo much of that music today and is a huge influence on my Music and My Vocals
Ever since I discovered Nu-Metal, I couldn't get enough. I don't care if people hated it, I will continue to listen to it until one day it kills me or it gets me killed.
Why is everybody hating nu-metal? I'm dead serious nu-metal is one of my favourite genres right now. It is really fun to listen and I don't get tired listening to RATM. (Testify 3 times a day, because why not)
Well, Rage isn't really Nu Metal tho. They influenced the style but they are more of a Rap Metal like Body Count and what Anthrax were doing with Public Enemy, with a lot of influence of more Funky bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers.
@@nocapmajor but I kinda agree with you about all the hate on Nu Metal, there are some extremely shit bands that emerged from that style, but there arr some good bands too, just like every genre of music, although unfortunately Nu Metal had more of those awful bands than usual lol.
@TheGreaterGood80 yeah man, couldn't agree more. It oversaturated as quickly as it got mainstream, that's why almost none of those bands stayed relevant after the downfall of the genre.
Nu metal is my favorite genre in metal music. I promise I’m not kidding. Btw my favorite nu metal bands are mudvayne, HED pe, flaw, slipknot, korn, and mushroomhead
Edward Steward I love mushroomhead I think they have a unique sound. I actually did my research and they had masks before slipknot. They just started gaining popularity after slipknot became popular. They’re not trying to be like slipknot
I remember being fiercely bored by Metallica and Guns n Roses and Nirvana and Iron Maiden at 13 years old in the late 90s - just wasn't my generation or my scene, - Nu Metal was the entry into the world that keeps chugging.
Old dude here. Rock and metal were dead to me after Nirvana made skill and talent dirty words and Metallica started making albums while shitting themselves. Korn rescued hard heavy music.
I grew up with nu metal, then I was more into punk, post hardcore and indie rock, Back in the days it was huge, I don’t particularly regret listening to it, but I dont listen to it anymore
One moment I'll love listening to CroMags, another moment it'll be Korn or StaticX. The 90s and 2000s just have everything I love. Such a vast variety and so innovative.
I was in Middle school when I was introduced to nu-metal through an estranged best-friend that was several years older then me. I still listen to it today. Brings back tons of good memories. Made my teen years awesome! Although it gets hard at times, because it reminds me of him. But I hope he's doing well. Rock on 🤘 brotha.
Korn hands down is the best. Not only are they my favorite of all time, their my idol's and have helped me get through some hard times in life. I put on Korn and everything negative goes away. Can't wait for the nu album too.
If you aren’t old enough to experience the sudden departure from grunge and wannabe Garth Brooks clones to new metal in the very early 90’s, you can’t really understand what an impact it had.
It was more the early Noughties than the early 90's. The early Nineties apart from grunge had KMFDM, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails, Sisters of Mercy, Skinny Puppy and of course Ministry. Ministry:s magnum opus - Psalm 69. HOW to Succeed and How to Suck Eggs - in my opinion set the pace for the Indie and Alternative scene. Nirvana's albums were way too commercial. Alice in Chains had the better albums. Grunge quickly became a marketing catch phrase and dales gimmick. Ministry and the Industrial sound was the genuine alternative. 1997 - 98: Rock dies. Grunge has completely worn out. Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots produced some great albums that were mainstream. Marilyn Manson rules the rock roost for two short years. The Columbine school massacre was blamed on Marilyn Manson and to a lesser extent NiN. Album sales for alternative bands plummeted. The term Nu-Metal began spreading everywhere. That Industrial sound carried on and gave birth to Nu-Metal. Nu-Metal was allegedly a cross between hip-hop and hard rock. Problem - fans of hard Rock loathe hip hop and vice versa. Some hip hop was acceptable. KORN - labelled as Nu-Metal along with Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit. In my opinion KORN were not Nu-Metal but someone from the marketing section of their record company tried to cash in. The same applies for Linkin Park who were labelled everything and didn't fit anywhere.
11:49 ok time out bud. You can't make that comparison using Numb, you gotta use their earlier stuff from Hybrid Theory like "One Step Closer" or "Points of Authority". That was more Nu-Metal than their later stuff (R.I.P. Chester)
Or even the other stuff from Meteora - Don't Stay, Lying from you, etc. Numb is just Meteora's "In the End" - it's a single made to draw newcomers by establishing what the band is about in a poppy way, then when you listen to the entire album you hear the angrier, nu-metal version of Chester, mixed with Numby parts.
Indeed, Linkin Park had already started changing their style by the time Meteora came out, with only a few songs on that album still retaining their older sound. Also, this guy fails to mention that even Korn ("Falling Away from Me") and Slipknot ("Wait and Bleed" and "Purity") had their moments where they weren't just screeching angry. So for the host of this channel to make such a comparison is quite misleading and shows he hasn't really done enough research prior to making this video.
My 2 cents... What kills every single genre? Happened 80 years ago, still today... 1.- the fact that most of its listeners grow up and stop looking for shelter and explanation of their lives in music.... they grow up, mature and leave those things (including music) behind... we tend to tie emotion with events (music), thats how memory works. As you grow up, new experiences create for new feelings and memories which are more relatable further in life with other styles of music and art... You have no idea how many of my hardcore metal friends became huge Ben Fold Five fans and even crap like Coldplay... its just much more relatable to what they are experiencing now in life. Now this doesn't mean that anyone who still likes NuMetal is immature, hell I LOVE My NuMetal Korn, Orgy and others... but if you think it long enough they will see how al least in some other areas of life, you've moved on... AND reason number 2.- The True Fans.... those guys destroy everything... these conservative, entitled selfish pricks are responsible for the death of so many styles and art forms... Metal Karens who believe they are in position to tell artists what to do, fans on how to be fans and festivals on who to book... The latest evidence of these individuals is the Metallica - Stranger things debate... these are the same idiots who asked HBO to refilm the final season of GOT with an ending they liked... the arrogance.... by a bunch of non contributing zeros. Remember, the symptom of a looser is their ability to always find mistakes in others.
I agree, I still love Korn but I have a 2 year old now so I play 60's and 70s music mostly and I find meaning in that music too. And yes people really need to let others have their art form. Let go and let the artist take you somewhere instead of telling the artist where to go and throwing a fit when it doesn't go your way. I really love Nu Music still though, and miss it
Deftones still doing it; maintaining their style yet coming up with something different just about every album. IMO the best of this era.. their longevity alone says a lot. Also, they were my shit in high school and for a few years after that lol Still gotta listen to Around the Fur or Adrenaline every now and then..
we had shows called weenie roasts. just a bunch of bands kinda like a lollapalooza type of thing. and linkin park was just one of the side bands not even on the main stage at the time and they were one of the best bands the entire day. this was before they got popular.
Yep, I was a black kid who grew up on Korn, Staind, Deftones, Linkin Park, and of course Limp Bizkit. It was all about Nu-Metal/Alternative/Punk for me. White kids thought I was cool and black kids laughed at me. Very typical stuff. Korn and Deftones are still my favorite and Limp Bizkit is still my guilty pleasure. It was just perfect timing for those of us who loved hip hop and rock. I've never been to a rock concert but maybe one day.
Korn made me fall in love with music. I got super bummed when they went mainstream. All the the kids that made fun of me for listening to Korn were now rocking out to "Got the Life" and "Freak on a Leash". But yeah, they're the reason why I play a 7 string in drop A.
@@matthewsommerville88 I agree with your observations Mathew. RATM was also NOT a Nu-Metal band. E. G. RATM are on the magnificent soundtrack from The Crow movie.
It's 2022 and some of my favorite bands growing up were nu-metal. I went to the Metallica Sanitorium Tour in Montreal back when these bands were good. I saw Mudvayne, Deftones, Linken Park, Limp Bizkit and Metallica in that order. It was the best concert I ever went to and I still listen to music from that time period. But I do find the music they created in their later albums lacked something. I just couldn't get into them. I still have a lot of music on Spotify from all of those first albums but nothing from their following albums. IMO, these bands are responsible for their own demise.. They either changes their sound or weren't creative enough to make good new music. I found myself disappointed in their follow-up albums and just lost interest.
i appreciate this video. punk and hardcore would tend to give the “welcome all who aren’t accepted by society” vibe but they were still judgmental and pretentious. nu metal came from the kids who didn’t really even fit into that shit. nu metal is and has been important to the progression of music. i appreciated it then and i appreciate it now.
i feel like they were just scared. the nu metal sound was... well... new. the hardcore scene at the time wasn't really doing anything interesting so they got scared
hardcore punk has always been a mask for political ideations and agendas. when the limelight turns from that message is when they get hostile and closed minded. Nu-Metal is a completely raw and emotional pendulum swing from the conceptual visions of the metal and punk genres.
@@rorz999 for the better, mayhaps? Metal and it's sub genres need to stay in the underground because otherwise it faces an existential crisis. the perpetual anger and anti-religiosity is bad for society in general and feeds off the angst and desperation of the counter culture. If metal wins, then it loses its edge, which is a primary reason why many people enjoy the music... once metal accepts its place in the underground and cedes the label of "good music" to the popular and the melodic, it experiences a transcendental state from the futility of comparing dick sizes with other forms of art.
Quite an astute analysis. Lot of factors, all pretty valid I would say. The "assassination attempt" though--THAT was understated. I think that played a bigger role than most realize.
I've been waiting for a long time for this video! Thank you Finn. Absolutely loved this genre when I was young, don't care what the 'elitist' say haha.
Critics, will be critics, to the very end. They're relentless to see whatever, or whoever, they hate be nonexistent. Genres change, people change, over the years and it's what's trending at the time that's popular. That being said, it's up to the devoted fans like us to keep the music alive. Man, I love my Korn and been a fan since the early 90's, and will be a fan till I'm old and grey. I'm also a huge fan of Fugazi and a whole array of music. The unfortunate difference between love & hate is, people are particular of what they love and what they'll allow in their lives, where hate is like a floodgate given unconditionally, even if you asked for it, or not. Love your videos bro, I've subscribed to your IG account and keep rockin! 🤘
Most of these new labels don't even make sense. Pop-punk is a contradiction. And one that I'm sure sum-41 would be pissed about being included in considering how vocal they are about not liking pop.
Well, this has become a real sickness over the years. Anytime I meet a freshly founded band and ask them what kind of stuff they do, I almost always get the same fucking answer: "Oh, we've created a completely new genre, it isn't comparable to anything right now." Then I listen to it and 90% of the time it's fucking black metal with a frontman who doesn't know how to sing and 4 other guys who bought their instruments the day before in a second-hand shop and came up with the great idea to found a band. I feel like bands like theese are everywhere right now and all of them brag about how "true" and innovative they are, while they sound like someone threw a bunch of screws into a blender and started crying by doing so. God how I hate their attitude.
Apart from listening to the Beatles with my dad, Limp Bizkit was my musical awakening. I was (still am) the cliched outsider who also watched wrestling. Hearing 'My Way' for WWE's WrestleMania X7 was a life changing moment. Limp Bizkit lead me on to many of the bands mentioned in the video. Naturally my tastes became more finessed and I became open to a plethora of genres that is still evolving to this day. Music remains my first love. Nothing I've ever known compares to the chills that I get down my spine when I hear something new that connects emotionally with me...Just like 'My Way' all those years ago.
That is one of the ways I got into int my dad showed me it a while ago And I grew up watching wwe too so when I heard to be loved by papa roach in 2008 I went backwards and went all in to nu metal and alt metal
@@TakeFlight Limp Bizkit were certainly of their time, sadly a lot of their material hasn't aged as well as some of their contemporaries. Nu metal as a genre is largely ridiculed today and is referred to as 'guilty pleasures'. But you are right, music is missing an element of fun and it's missing the tribalism and collectivism that previous decades had: Mods & rockers, grunge & metal, goths & punk. Maybe it's to do with how most people consume their music these days? I'm just glad I got to experience a movement and subculture when I was growing up.
Surprised to hear you mention Snot. These videos are amazing and you are a treasure trove of metal/rock knowledge and history. Thanks for the hours of entertainment and nostalgia
@DansWarped With all due respect, I'll break down why people started to hate nu metal(I'll be repeating some of the points Finn made) -It was oversaturated and everywhere. It had become the dominant hard rock/metal sound in the late 90's and in that situation inevitably people will turn against it. -Musically, it was very rhythm-oriented, especially in regards to guitar playing. A lot of nu metal bands didn't really grow or challenge themselves to move beyond downtuned drop D guitar riffs. People got burned out from that. -It was juvenile. That's not necessarily a slight, since punk rock is also very juvenile, but that just means that when the fanbase matures they're in danger of leaving. -The "manufactured angst" Finn talked about was right on the money. Plus, the other side of nu metal lyrics from the pain/torture aspect was the macho tough guy posturing. Nu metal was fresh and interesting when it began, but in the few years it was around music fans just got tired of it. I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy nu metal, just speaking from my own experience.
I kind of agree with this too. It’s hard to really define nu-metal as a genre... it’s like a period of overall heavy music that occurred after grunge. But other metal genres like death metal and black metal were still very much alive during the nu-metal period too.
That period, like any period, had more things going on in it than a crappy sub genre heavy metal. So: no, it doesn't describe a period. Your feelings have got it arse-backwards. You might as well say, "I've always felt like Jackass and the X Games were more descriptions of a period in time, than an actual comedy show and televised extreme sports tournament". Or how about, "I've always felt like Nike Air Jordans are more a description of a period than an actual basket ball shoe". It was OF it's time period, definitely. Very, very dated because it has not dated well. But it certainly was not 'the period'. It actually was/ is just a kind of music. And what's funny is it is really, really dated and old-hat but it has the word 'new' in it but it's spelt 'Nu' which makes it even worse and even stupider, more of-it's-time, dated, old fashioned and crap.
This isn't something nu-metal really started. You had bands like Sleep, Kyuss, and Eyehategod downtuning to C years before nu-metal was a thing. Nu-metal took it a step further by bringing ing 7 string guitars.
Slipknot is not NU-Metal they have lots of different metal genres together! Some songs have Thrash Metal and Death Metal influences! I would admit that there first album did have that "NU" sound but they got more heavy when Iowa came out! Just listen to Korn: Take Me and Slipknot: Solway Firth......the sound completely different!
Even I thought that was a bit cheap. I'm sure you could pick a quiet part of later Korn songs and put it up against By Myself and make Linkin Park look hard af.
I don't think it's an unfair comparison of the overall difference in general sound and feel of the two bands. It's not making a judgment call unless you think heavy = automatically better.
Should've compaired Numb to Alone I break... that would be a fairly even comparison between the two bands. Linkin Park have had some heavier songs just like Korn have had some mellow songs but I'd still call both Nu Metal in the beginning. Linkin park turned more mainstream though to try and break their image away from the dying Nu Metal scene.... which tbh I commend them for as it kept them more current than Korn (not hating on Korn just wasn't a fan of their turn to techno). But in the beginning Linkin Park were definitely Nu Metal.
I don't really like the new Slipknot songs but I do recognize their older ones. My favourite band is Korn and Silverchair. Deftones is also super great as well. Never really got into more of that though.
Don't kid yourself, there are a group of 10 guys or so that control mainstream music. After woodstock 99 they said " I think we need to steer this in a different direction". There are still a lot of fans out there for this style of music it's just not mainstream. This style of music was on top of the world and in less then a couple of years it was gone. Crazy fast shift.
Remember Rocky George, former guitarist of Suicidal Tendencies. He used 7 String guitar at the beginning of the 90's. And for Nu-Metal, I think we shouldn't forget Sepultura as an early kind of influence. The Chaos A.D. album! It had these downtuned Guitars, the agression of the old thrash past, but slower, with more groove and experimental guitar technique. Yes, less groove and without that Rap influence. But for me, this band, with this album, is an early influence. Also many songs, you can jump to.
Honestly, there is something to be said about classism (and a few other -isms) in relation to music perception. Music that appeals to particular class or race groups are going to like, hit different than they will to musical academics, or music pundits. The whole disregard and disdain for Disco is a prime example. There's a level of disfranchisement that surrounds Nu-Metal and other counter-culture music that "The Elite" of music just aren't going to resonate with. It's def something that should be considered and discussed. :)
Sorry dude I was around for disco and it still sucks, at the time we were comforted knowing at least KISS would never go disco! but then. They released...................Dynasty!
@@williamsherman1089 Not a dude. You saying "disco still sucks" proves the reason why I mentioned that example specifically. It was just as much an opinion and it was a cultural movement fueled by racism. If you don't like disco, that's fine. There are lots of genres these days. The broad sweeping generalisations aren't particularly helpful. Just because it wasn't made for you doesn't mean its bad. There's nuance to things.
Love your videos. You're one of the first channels I'll check out when my ears are fatigued from listening to so many hours of metal a day. Keep it up. Also a lot of my best friends who happen to be a fellow outcasts in high school loved Korn and other nu-metal bands... I remember thinking it somehow wasn't sophisticated enough for me because I grew up listening to ELO and stuff like that. If it didn't have 3 chord changes per second I wasn't interested and boy was I missing out. That "stereotypical fan from Ohio" was very much my friend. A good kid who just didn't fit in.
6:30 - starts talking about me. I’m 17 and I wish nu metal was still around. I wish I grew up when that shit exploded so I could’ve went to all the concerts like my dad.
Goddamnit. Your description of the kids from Indiana is me to a T. Seriously. I grew up and still live here. I hate it just as much as when I was growing up. I was pissed off full of hate growing up. I had no idea what to do about it. Wow dude you fucking nailed that one. 👏 👏
NBA I love your content I’m an old-school hard-core guy, but I love the grunge and the new metal too. I got as a person from virginia that GWAR should get some credit for bridging the gap in the 80s through the 90s between hard-core and new metal. It could definitely be argued that they are the first new nu band.
I was listening to punk, alternative rock, hip-hop, and I thought of metal as something old-fashioned, poser and show-off - men in tight pants, with iron chains, striking macho poses, showing off about who could hit a higher note or play a faster solo and singing about shit like zombies, dragons and bikes. And then there was Korn, where the vocalist sang about his feelings, many of which were familiar to me, and they also looked like dudes from the streets. It was the first metal band that felt real to me. Like the video said, it was like Nirvana, only heavier and angrier - just what I needed.
To people in the comments trashing Finn because Slipknot and Korn still being super popular: 1) Only Slipknot's first album was really nu-metal 2) Korn has changed their sound to be more mainstream (not that that's a bad thing, but it's barely nu-metal now imo) 3) And if you look at the late-90s and early 2000s, the popularity does not compare. Even if Slipknot and Korn were still nu-metal, they're the only ones. But back then, there were soooo many nu-metal bands with mainstream popularity (Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, etc.). There are very few new nu-metal bands now. That's what he means by "dead." There are no new developments in the genre.
A bit wrong to say Korn changed their sound to be more mainstream when at their absolute peak, they were dominating every mainstream publication. I remember loving the fact that my sisters arguing over nsync and Backstreet Boys on TRL and Korn dominating both. I mean hell, they were staying ahead of both and the female end with Brittany Spears and Christina. But I completely understand your point because they’ve never stopped evolving. My absolute favorite band ever.
I've always loved numetal. And still do. Korn was my absolute favorite for a while when I was a kid. That band spoke to me on so many levels growing up. And then Slipknot came out and hoooooly shit. My world was forever changed.
Honestly, Nu Metal basically “died” when Eminem dissed Fred Durst. He was basically the “face” of the Genre at the time, so once Em did that, LB was no longer cool and by proxy the Nu Metal scene all together. To kids in the suburbs, Eminem was the real deal, while Fred Durst felt like this douchey, wanna-be poser (not to mention Wes Borland leaving the band shortly after). And being labeled a “poser” is like the kiss of death in punk & metal…
I don't give a damn what any critic says, I listen to what I like. And I'm still listening to Nu-Metal.
You're not supposed to. Listen to what you like, they will listen to what they like and the world keeps turning. They're not trying to tell you not to be a fan if you are one.
Karl Benedict it’s not dead lol, I agree with u
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FUCK YEA MAN
Korn is still unstoppable. Slipknot continues to sell out concerts.
Dude, this guy's name is "punk rock". Talk about a music style dying out... Or selling out, like every Punk band ever.
Saw Korn last Friday. Still kicks serious ass. Seeing knotfest this Friday expecting an even bigger ass kicking 🤘
@Grubby bum
I think you should watch Finn's video on why rock is losing to rap. You'd learn a lot.
@@tytomasoski238 Thanks off the suggestion, I'm watching it now.
And this guy does not understand what selling-out means, at all. It's got nothing to do with how popular they become. I mean look at Tool, one of the most respected bands in the world, now imagine Tool singing a poppy song about "America" Infront of a giant green flag...
That's what selling out is.
KORN is too, too CORNY!!!
And now Korn and Slipknot have just released two of the biggest records of the year.
AND TOOL.
And they all suck!
Notneb Airevilo nah Slipknots new album is fire
Huh? Are you talking to me?
Notneb?
I never cared what's cool or not. I'm 30 now and I still listen to Deftones, Limp Bizkit, Linking Park, Disturbed, Korn and SOAD. They are baked into my DNA by now 😅
exactly. and caring to be cool is contradict the whole idea of metal genre, so thats that.
Same, I'm 32 and still listen to them. My mom listens to them to and she's almost 60.
“Linking park” 🤣
@@astrofn4752 sOmeBodY maDe a TypO, So FunNy
@@makingastardestroyer3066 bruh
Too angry for grunge too emo for metal and not urban enough for rap...
Perfect description
Dig by mudvayne is a perfect example of what these group of people needed back then, song starts like something is going to explode in a very angry mind and then growls "yeeaaaahh" while downtuned heavy riffs are playing with pure anger.
Like ur name man. ;) 🤘🏼🖤
And Slipknot doesn't fit that description at all.
@@grubbybum3614
Slipknot always reminds of those brothers in Wrong Turn 4.
@@boofatron
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I still love nu metal. Never stopped enjoying it.
Same I’m spinning korns new record the nothing and and slipnot
Me neither!
Same!!
Me too!
Same here! :)
“When Korn popped” lol I see what u did there
Don't call spongebob at 3am lol
@@bruhthatscringe2120 say what u will buy it does put food on the table haha
@@nikkiland understandable.
You know the Korn has popped when your nu-metal microwave goes br br deng
Exact thought verbatim went through my head. 😄
As a hip hop head i remember getting into Korn, POD, System of a Down, Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park. Woodstock 99 was epic lol
Burning down the entire concert. I was only 13 but I sure wish I could have been there!
Limp Bizkit riots were mostly peaceful riots
Nonpoint too
noooooooo dont call soad nu metal soad isnt nu metal im gonna cry
@@jvbble System of a Down was nu metal
Slipknot has a number one album in numerous territories right now
But the thing is, Slipknot stopped being NU since IOWA.......I don't understand why they are put with NU-Metal! Slipknot and Limb biscuit sound NOTHING alike.....
@@Slipknotiowa-gz8lp limb biscuit 🤣🤣 that autocorrect
Nu Metal still hasnt died just the majority of present People's taste in music has died
True people now mostly listen to trap and songs that do induce drugs and violence and glorify it but still accuse metal of that?
Nu-metal was fun and full of energy. Also, Slipknot and Korn still sell out huge concerts.
Especially slipknot. Every show they play is an arena. I don't even consider them nu metal.
@RPT Enterprise That's your opinion. I think it was awesome.
@RPT Enterprise Yikes, "screamo." It is just metal screams bro, there is no screamo genre.
@@thechitownclown8972 they don't always play in arena's. I seen them play at Aftershock festival. Which wasn't in an arena
@@thechitownclown8972 I think Corey tailor is the only reason slipknot still breaths
"Nu metal is dead"
Slipknot: *heavy breathing*
Don't forget koЯn
Give us a scream, Corey!
Old does not mean dead. Nu is not the best. We are not your kind.
With the *heavy breathing* I just imagined Corey getting ready to scream "GOODBYE"
@M.A.B I'll never kill myself to save my soooul
This video should be called “why I love Korn” lol
I will always love nu metal, and I wish it was still as popular as it used to be. I grew up with Korn, Limp Bizkit, Disturbed, SOAD, RATM, Linkin Park, Slipknot, Evanescence, Mudvayne, Sevendust, Static X. I wish there was a new generation of nu metal bands, but I still listen to these bands on a regular basis, especially when I go running, and I still buy new Korn and slipknot and Disturbed albums when they come out. First concerts I went to were summer sanitarium tour in 2003 with Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Metallica and Mudvayne, and Ozzfest 2003 with Korn and Disturbed and I just saw Korn, Evanescence, and RATM this summer and they were still incredible! I listen to many different genres of music, but these bands will always be my favorite to see live and nu metal will always be my favorite subgenre of rock!
I think nu metal bands like Grade 8, Motograter, Twisted Method, and others could’ve became popular if their debut albums came out before 2003. FFDP wouldn’t probably exist because Ivan would still be in Motograter!
I'm with you Bro!
Try hed pe. Start with the greatest Hits album Theyre amazing
Sevendust is always consistent, one of the hardest working bands in the industry.
yeah those guys are badass always were always will be
Absolute fact
@finnmckenty do you have any Sevendust interviews or coverage of their long career where they've never been huge, but maintained a diehard 700-1k level of fanbase that never misses a show when they come around.
My dad is a pilot and he met them once on a plane. Very polite, very chill. Didn't demand rockstar treatment or bother anyone. That's not true of a lot of bands. I respect that they don't have giant egos and seem to just see themselves as normal people.
@@morganqorishchi8181 Sounds like the 7D I love and respect, since they do the same for others.
When your a kid growing up in the early 90s riding bmx and skateboards and watching Xgames...your absolutely a nu metal child...
Growing in 00 and still adequate.
the hair bands and grunge was so much better and still thick in the early nineties.
Absolutely
I loved that era. It was like living in a movie
Oh hi Kyle.
Slipknot is dead? Someone should probably tell Slipknot that....
J Phillips They released Unsainted a month ago. 15M streams on Spotify and 26M views on TH-cam...but yep, Slipknot is dead.
Theyre dead to trendy people.
Brandon Slipknot do not follow trends.
Yea ok? Just go on youtube and watch them at download 2 weeks ago
@@kirisweeks8673 I was there, it was fucking insane.
I’m a 38 Hispanic male, I loved the top Nu-Metal bands listed when I first heard them, and I still listen to them today. I have seen Korn in concert more than any other band, and I bought tickets to see Slipknot for the 2nd time this year. I may be a minority, plus, I had never heard of any of the bands you listed at the end. But, overall, great and accurate analysis.
I'm 40 and White, and am utterly confused why everybody's posting their race in a metal discussion.
Almost like they're conditioned to expect automatic accolades for being the right shade...
"Once korn popped.." ha i see what you did there
alex herrera "Nu metal is 'Korny'"
For some reason, I never got into Korn (and still don't) and I used to refer to the band as Pop-Korn sarcastically.
*Badum tss* 😂
0:33 “Most hated genre of music in recent memory”
*[Lil’ Pump has joined the chat.]*
@Kevin Z Nah
@Kevin Z 𝔫𝔬
@Kevin Z why? I mean do you have any more brain cells left to lose?
@Kevin Z Lil Bizkit
lil dumple is pure cancer to my ears
fred drust is just rehab of that cancer
Deftones were not 'corny'. Amazing band
Not a chance.. They were soo cool on other peoples albums songs
But they were rightfully mainstream HATED with the WHite Pony sappysap.
Reminds of a less mainstream Staind...
Yeah i can say i hate em.
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Lol sum nerd music 😆
ik your comment is from a year ago but it seems like Deftones are coming back w/ Gen Z and Gen Alpha, System of a Down and Korn too
@@sativaplathit is because of tiktok
Slipknots not dead
As corey taylor said in all out life. "Old does not mean dead. New does not mean best"
Corey Taylor is a great vocalist
Fuck the world
Considering Slipknot fell off after Iowa, that statement rings truest for them
@@TooMuchSascha they got bigger after iowa all in all
@@MKAnr1 Maybe they got more popular but the quality of their music dropped. They lost their rage, their energy and their desire to make people move; instead they just started writing slow jams with some pinch harmonics so they could tell people they never stopped being heavy
The entire first Korn album is just pure amazing.
yup!
The entire first 6 albums from them are amazing
The first Korn album is the realest shit they did. Life Is Peachy was sick too. Everything else is ass.
🤘
Amen🤘
Nu-metal will always have a special place in my heart. Linkin park is what eventually sent me down the road to the rest of the metal world.
Same
Same here surprisingly. Crazy to think that I play heavier shit than this but through linkin park, I discovered disturbed, Slipknot, and eventually bands like JFAC, etc.
Same... oddly enough, my first Linkin Park song was "In the End" on Kidz Bop 3.
@@ECL28E In the End was on Kidz Bop? WTF? Are you serious? That's just wrong, little kids shouldn't be getting full frontal nihilism at such a young age.
Yes missing that LP
The real shocker here is that Woodstock '99 was *TWENTY YEARS AGO* !
What the hell happened?
Woodstock was sick. I was not there though I just was born in 99 xD but from what I saw on the video from woodstock that is uploaded on youtube with the performance of Limp Bizkit. Holy shit that crowd was moving. But then again a woman got raped there thats a little brutal but besides that woodstock 99 looked like one hell of a live concert.
drugs happened.
you got old
:(
Time fucking flies....
Try 50 years... I remember the original Woodstock.
I've always felt Incubus was heavily underrated. Their albums ‘Make Yourself’ and ‘Morning View’ were huge. Even if they’re not totally “Nu Metal”.
I will stand by KoRn's first two albums untill I die. I think they're genuinely good.
They are. You're not alone.
Totally. The third has its' moments too.
...and even though it's rather good, the fourth has its Issues.
@@needfoolthings Wakka Wakka Wakkaaa!!!!
I'll even add Three Dollar Bill Y'all
Nu-metal was the soundtrack to the best years of my life. I'm glad about that
Yingle it was the soundtrack of my life when I was a teenager and every now and then I listen to those bands again.
I'm 50 and Nu-metal was something I was concerned with ... at first for about 5 minutes. I think it has more to do about *which* band and *which* songs. Korn was one of the first bands I remember who came on heavy and hard and sang about family dysfunction and isolation. Yes, Grunge did that (and so did some old school rock) but it was kind of like Grungelike lyrics but heavy. As for the music, it was simply different. But to say that they didn't have something meaningful to say - I think the gatekeepers had that wrong. These were angry kids. They *tried* the grunge approach and nobody listened. Conversely bands like LimpBizkit - if you took them at face value - were just fun (core-pop?)
"nu metal was never cool' system of a down with all platinum albums
That’s not nu metal buddy
@@vrrtvrrt5700 they have the best nu metal song
@Peeps alt metal and nu metal are closer than you think
@Peeps some songs from soad are 100% nu metal, take shame as an example.
@Peeps i agree, i am a hip hop head mostly
Nu Metal was cool. Still is. It wasn’t corny at all, around here if you didn’t listen to Bizkit, Korn, Deftones, Slipknot etc, shred a skateboard, spray paint, and get high, you werernt cool at all. You’re the best, Fin. I can watch these all day long! 🤘🏻
I don’t care what the critics say. Let people listen to what they want. There is *nothing* wrong with listening to Nu Metal. Rather it’d be Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin Park, Slipknot, or really any Nu Metal band. I would like to see Nu Metal make a comeba-
Oh yeah, Korn and Slipknot made great comebacks this year! Anyway. Don’t let the death of Nu Metal ruin your love of the genre, or stopping you from getting into it. If anyone says it’s wrong to listen to Nu Metal, that’s their problem. Thank you Punk Rock MBA for making this video and giving a respect to the fans
The only thing dead about nu metal is the label nor slipknot, mudvayne or mushroomhead in my opinion are nu metal bands they never were korn on the other hand are still going strong to this day so the only thing dead here is the term nu metal
Nu-Metal has always been my favorite Genre/Time Period in Music. I still listen to sooo much of that music today and is a huge influence on my Music and My Vocals
I agree with you 100%...I started to play on bass because of limp bizkit...and i'll always love this kind of music.
Respect for korn for keeping their guitars simple yet heavy so begginers like me don't struggle too hard when playing haha
I was inpired by Nu-metal! Check me out #brokeatbest Yeah I can't sing(yet) but vocals are placeholders so I don't forget them lol
Ever since I discovered Nu-Metal, I couldn't get enough. I don't care if people hated it, I will continue to listen to it until one day it kills me or it gets me killed.
@RoeFox Lol, Welp it's too late for me now
Why is everybody hating nu-metal? I'm dead serious nu-metal is one of my favourite genres right now. It is really fun to listen and I don't get tired listening to RATM. (Testify 3 times a day, because why not)
Well, Rage isn't really Nu Metal tho. They influenced the style but they are more of a Rap Metal like Body Count and what Anthrax were doing with Public Enemy, with a lot of influence of more Funky bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers.
@@gabrielventura2510 Yeah, sounds about right. That's good point.
@@nocapmajor but I kinda agree with you about all the hate on Nu Metal, there are some extremely shit bands that emerged from that style, but there arr some good bands too, just like every genre of music, although unfortunately Nu Metal had more of those awful bands than usual lol.
@@gabrielventura2510 Yeah, right. Lol
@TheGreaterGood80 yeah man, couldn't agree more. It oversaturated as quickly as it got mainstream, that's why almost none of those bands stayed relevant after the downfall of the genre.
Nu metal is my favorite genre in metal music. I promise I’m not kidding. Btw my favorite nu metal bands are mudvayne, HED pe, flaw, slipknot, korn, and mushroomhead
Me too and those are all bands I very much enjoy.
MUDVAYNE --- FREAKING AWSOME
Jacob Bartolatz pantera is good too but nu metal is still my favorite genre in metal music.
Mudvayne is okay Korn and Slipknot are great mushroom head is trash
Edward Steward I love mushroomhead I think they have a unique sound. I actually did my research and they had masks before slipknot. They just started gaining popularity after slipknot became popular. They’re not trying to be like slipknot
If it wasn't for Nu Metal I probably wouldn't of even experienced metal at a young age...
I remember being fiercely bored by Metallica and Guns n Roses and Nirvana and Iron Maiden at 13 years old in the late 90s - just wasn't my generation or my scene, - Nu Metal was the entry into the world that keeps chugging.
The first time I heard SYnthetic (Spineshank) was one of the most WTF Hell Yes moments in my life
You got that transition between Nu Metal and heavier music perfectly. Exactly what happened to me: from KoRn to Haste the Day
Korn is a legendary band. Whether they're gonna take a while to be seen as such or if people already realize it, they are legendary.
those motherfuckers sell out every show they put on
I was never a fan but I saw them at a Cali fest in 2016 and I was super impressed. They were great!!!
Old dude here. Rock and metal were dead to me after Nirvana made skill and talent dirty words and Metallica started making albums while shitting themselves. Korn rescued hard heavy music.
Groundbreaking
I grew up with nu metal, then I was more into punk, post hardcore and indie rock, Back in the days it was huge, I don’t particularly regret listening to it, but I dont listen to it anymore
One moment I'll love listening to CroMags, another moment it'll be Korn or StaticX. The 90s and 2000s just have everything I love. Such a vast variety and so innovative.
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I was in Middle school when I was introduced to nu-metal through an estranged best-friend that was several years older then me. I still listen to it today. Brings back tons of good memories. Made my teen years awesome! Although it gets hard at times, because it reminds me of him. But I hope he's doing well. Rock on 🤘 brotha.
"Sometimes it's cool to be uncool" -Christina Grimmie
BenjiCord93 May she Rest In Peace. 😢
BenjiCord93 " don't drink to forget but don't forget to drink!" - Picasso Stumble !
not when that uncoolness comes from trying way too hard to be cool
saw Korn in a small venue in NJ in 96. Ive loved Nu-Metal from the beginning and what they have contributed to modern rock cannot be overstated.
I still love Korn, going to see them again in August with AIC.
May see you there!
Me too!
Same, what place? Seen Korn about 20 times now
I'm going to The Woodlands, Texas concert
Korn hands down is the best. Not only are they my favorite of all time, their my idol's and have helped me get through some hard times in life. I put on Korn and everything negative goes away. Can't wait for the nu album too.
Kind of ironic seeing this vid now considering KoRn's newest album topped billboards and nu-metal is coming back lol
Korn, in my opinion, transcend the classification of Nu-Metal.
So how would you classify them?
When Korn blew up.. nobody was calling it "nu-metal". they just listened.
They are Korn. That’s it. No classification needed. Very ahead of the curve.
@@al4385 True. You have a point there.
@@SinWinGrin Yup. They were!
If you aren’t old enough to experience the sudden departure from grunge and wannabe Garth Brooks clones to new metal in the very early 90’s, you can’t really understand what an impact it had.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
It was more the early Noughties than the early 90's. The early Nineties apart from grunge had KMFDM, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails, Sisters of Mercy, Skinny Puppy and of course Ministry.
Ministry:s magnum opus - Psalm 69. HOW to Succeed and How to Suck Eggs - in my opinion set the pace for the Indie and Alternative scene.
Nirvana's albums were way too commercial. Alice in Chains had the better albums. Grunge quickly became a marketing catch phrase and dales gimmick. Ministry and the Industrial sound was the genuine alternative.
1997 - 98: Rock dies. Grunge has completely worn out. Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots produced some great albums that were mainstream.
Marilyn Manson rules the rock roost for two short years. The Columbine school massacre was blamed on Marilyn Manson and to a lesser extent NiN.
Album sales for alternative bands plummeted. The term Nu-Metal began spreading everywhere.
That Industrial sound carried on and gave birth to Nu-Metal. Nu-Metal was allegedly a cross between hip-hop and hard rock.
Problem - fans of hard Rock loathe hip hop and vice versa. Some hip hop was acceptable.
KORN - labelled as Nu-Metal along with Linkin Park and Limp
Bizkit. In my opinion KORN were not Nu-Metal but someone from the marketing section of their record company tried to cash in. The same applies for Linkin Park who were labelled everything and didn't fit anywhere.
I can't like this comment enough.
Uh yeah, whatever. Dude, you are correct though
Thanks for having the brass to be honest about Nirvana & give credit to who definitely deserved it more , Alice In Chains!@@steverobertson3980
11:49 ok time out bud. You can't make that comparison using Numb, you gotta use their earlier stuff from Hybrid Theory like "One Step Closer" or "Points of Authority". That was more Nu-Metal than their later stuff (R.I.P. Chester)
Or even the other stuff from Meteora - Don't Stay, Lying from you, etc. Numb is just Meteora's "In the End" - it's a single made to draw newcomers by establishing what the band is about in a poppy way, then when you listen to the entire album you hear the angrier, nu-metal version of Chester, mixed with Numby parts.
@@ПетърНиколов-ш6э exactly!
Yeah that was really dumb
True
Indeed, Linkin Park had already started changing their style by the time Meteora came out, with only a few songs on that album still retaining their older sound.
Also, this guy fails to mention that even Korn ("Falling Away from Me") and Slipknot ("Wait and Bleed" and "Purity") had their moments where they weren't just screeching angry.
So for the host of this channel to make such a comparison is quite misleading and shows he hasn't really done enough research prior to making this video.
My 2 cents... What kills every single genre? Happened 80 years ago, still today... 1.- the fact that most of its listeners grow up and stop looking for shelter and explanation of their lives in music.... they grow up, mature and leave those things (including music) behind... we tend to tie emotion with events (music), thats how memory works. As you grow up, new experiences create for new feelings and memories which are more relatable further in life with other styles of music and art... You have no idea how many of my hardcore metal friends became huge Ben Fold Five fans and even crap like Coldplay... its just much more relatable to what they are experiencing now in life. Now this doesn't mean that anyone who still likes NuMetal is immature, hell I LOVE My NuMetal Korn, Orgy and others... but if you think it long enough they will see how al least in some other areas of life, you've moved on... AND reason number 2.- The True Fans.... those guys destroy everything... these conservative, entitled selfish pricks are responsible for the death of so many styles and art forms... Metal Karens who believe they are in position to tell artists what to do, fans on how to be fans and festivals on who to book... The latest evidence of these individuals is the Metallica - Stranger things debate... these are the same idiots who asked HBO to refilm the final season of GOT with an ending they liked... the arrogance.... by a bunch of non contributing zeros. Remember, the symptom of a looser is their ability to always find mistakes in others.
I agree, I still love Korn but I have a 2 year old now so I play 60's and 70s music mostly and I find meaning in that music too. And yes people really need to let others have their art form. Let go and let the artist take you somewhere instead of telling the artist where to go and throwing a fit when it doesn't go your way. I really love Nu Music still though, and miss it
Rip Chester Bennington
Deftones still doing it; maintaining their style yet coming up with something different just about every album. IMO the best of this era.. their longevity alone says a lot. Also, they were my shit in high school and for a few years after that lol Still gotta listen to Around the Fur or Adrenaline every now and then..
HOLE IN THE EARTH
Cesar Salmeron deftones rock
Adrenaline is the best for me...
You should do a video on how Linkin Park got so big.
we had shows called weenie roasts. just a bunch of bands kinda like a lollapalooza type of thing. and linkin park was just one of the side bands not even on the main stage at the time and they were one of the best bands the entire day. this was before they got popular.
Yep, I was a black kid who grew up on Korn, Staind, Deftones, Linkin Park, and of course Limp Bizkit. It was all about Nu-Metal/Alternative/Punk for me. White kids thought I was cool and black kids laughed at me. Very typical stuff. Korn and Deftones are still my favorite and Limp Bizkit is still my guilty pleasure. It was just perfect timing for those of us who loved hip hop and rock. I've never been to a rock concert but maybe one day.
I always loved going to shows when I was younger and seeing the 1 black kid there jamming out harder than any one else! Praise to you, brother!
Go to one. There dope af
i LOVE hip hop and rock to this day too!
I've seen deftones 5 times... if you get a chance... I promise you won't be dissappointed.
I was also that kid. And all these years later I'm still that guy.
5:40 “And once Korn popped”
Lol I see what you did there
I feel like the main reason Nu Metal was hated was because of its proximity to rap.
It went downhill with bands like Papa Roach and Limp Bizkit.
Exactly
It's because of its proximity to rap AND not doing it well at all. Very basic rhymes, flows, it just doesn't work at all.
Korn made me fall in love with music. I got super bummed when they went mainstream. All the the kids that made fun of me for listening to Korn were now rocking out to "Got the Life" and "Freak on a Leash". But yeah, they're the reason why I play a 7 string in drop A.
Great vid. Korn legit brought something totally new to the world and there stuff holds up to the test of time.
Their old stuff yeah. Started losing it from 'Untouchables' onwards.
@@overtheoverseer Agree. Love the first 4 albums
@@matthewsommerville88 I agree with your observations Mathew. RATM was also NOT a Nu-Metal band. E. G. RATM are on the magnificent soundtrack from The Crow movie.
Yep. They sucked then, they suck now.
It's 2022 and some of my favorite bands growing up were nu-metal. I went to the Metallica Sanitorium Tour in Montreal back when these bands were good. I saw Mudvayne, Deftones, Linken Park, Limp Bizkit and Metallica in that order. It was the best concert I ever went to and I still listen to music from that time period. But I do find the music they created in their later albums lacked something. I just couldn't get into them. I still have a lot of music on Spotify from all of those first albums but nothing from their following albums. IMO, these bands are responsible for their own demise.. They either changes their sound or weren't creative enough to make good new music. I found myself disappointed in their follow-up albums and just lost interest.
i appreciate this video. punk and hardcore would tend to give the “welcome all who aren’t accepted by society” vibe but they were still judgmental and pretentious. nu metal came from the kids who didn’t really even fit into that shit. nu metal is and has been important to the progression of music. i appreciated it then and i appreciate it now.
Exactly
i feel like they were just scared. the nu metal sound was... well... new.
the hardcore scene at the time wasn't really doing anything interesting
so they got scared
hardcore punk has always been a mask for political ideations and agendas. when the limelight turns from that message is when they get hostile and closed minded. Nu-Metal is a completely raw and emotional pendulum swing from the conceptual visions of the metal and punk genres.
@@rorz999 for the better, mayhaps? Metal and it's sub genres need to stay in the underground because otherwise it faces an existential crisis. the perpetual anger and anti-religiosity is bad for society in general and feeds off the angst and desperation of the counter culture. If metal wins, then it loses its edge, which is a primary reason why many people enjoy the music... once metal accepts its place in the underground and cedes the label of "good music" to the popular and the melodic, it experiences a transcendental state from the futility of comparing dick sizes with other forms of art.
Now that you mention it, nu-metal was probably the least pretentious scene there was. It really was for anyone who wanted to be a part of it.
Quite an astute analysis. Lot of factors, all pretty valid I would say. The "assassination attempt" though--THAT was understated. I think that played a bigger role than most realize.
Can you elaborate a little? How did this assassination happen?
@@olaf3140 - When everyone with a media outlet tells you something is uncool it starts to trickle down.
I agree.
8:22
Wow, I see Incubus "S.C.I.E.N.C.E." on the fourth row.
What a Goddamn underestimated masterpiece, one of my favorites to date.
They were clearly pissed they didn’t get the Grammy,
Me too and I hate woke cunts like those guys
Incubus isnt even nu metal
@all the creative names are taken really
@all the creative names are taken well yeah but I wouldn't really consider them actual nu metal
@all the creative names are taken that's fine I always thought of incubus as more of an alternative band, but to each their own
I've been waiting for a long time for this video! Thank you Finn. Absolutely loved this genre when I was young, don't care what the 'elitist' say haha.
Agreed man
Ignore those elitst scum
So true man!!!
Critics, will be critics, to the very end. They're relentless to see whatever, or whoever, they hate be nonexistent. Genres change, people change, over the years and it's what's trending at the time that's popular. That being said, it's up to the devoted fans like us to keep the music alive. Man, I love my Korn and been a fan since the early 90's, and will be a fan till I'm old and grey. I'm also a huge fan of Fugazi and a whole array of music. The unfortunate difference between love & hate is, people are particular of what they love and what they'll allow in their lives, where hate is like a floodgate given unconditionally, even if you asked for it, or not. Love your videos bro, I've subscribed to your IG account and keep rockin! 🤘
remember when we didnt label everything back when these bands came out?
purgatori dirge it was the craziest original music ever made, so mucb creative energy poured out and it was friggin awesome
Most of these new labels don't even make sense. Pop-punk is a contradiction. And one that I'm sure sum-41 would be pissed about being included in considering how vocal they are about not liking pop.
Well, this has become a real sickness over the years. Anytime I meet a freshly founded band and ask them what kind of stuff they do, I almost always get the same fucking answer: "Oh, we've created a completely new genre, it isn't comparable to anything right now." Then I listen to it and 90% of the time it's fucking black metal with a frontman who doesn't know how to sing and 4 other guys who bought their instruments the day before in a second-hand shop and came up with the great idea to found a band.
I feel like bands like theese are everywhere right now and all of them brag about how "true" and innovative they are, while they sound like someone threw a bunch of screws into a blender and started crying by doing so. God how I hate their attitude.
Korn is cool I love them and there music
The hipsters came in
Nu Metal was cool, is cool and will forever be cool. At least for everbody who has grown up with this kind of music.
ZeyfridOfficial amen!
i mean except for bands like linkin park
Zachery Barnes They were cool too.
No it was never cool. It was zero talent garbage
muh muh my generation
Apart from listening to the Beatles with my dad, Limp Bizkit was my musical awakening. I was (still am) the cliched outsider who also watched wrestling. Hearing 'My Way' for WWE's WrestleMania X7 was a life changing moment. Limp Bizkit lead me on to many of the bands mentioned in the video. Naturally my tastes became more finessed and I became open to a plethora of genres that is still evolving to this day. Music remains my first love. Nothing I've ever known compares to the chills that I get down my spine when I hear something new that connects emotionally with me...Just like 'My Way' all those years ago.
That is one of the ways I got into int my dad showed me it a while ago
And I grew up watching wwe too so when I heard to be loved by papa roach in 2008 I went backwards and went all in to nu metal and alt metal
Limp bizkit is so much fun. I wish there was more of that!!
@@TakeFlight Limp Bizkit were certainly of their time, sadly a lot of their material hasn't aged as well as some of their contemporaries. Nu metal as a genre is largely ridiculed today and is referred to as 'guilty pleasures'. But you are right, music is missing an element of fun and it's missing the tribalism and collectivism that previous decades had: Mods & rockers, grunge & metal, goths & punk. Maybe it's to do with how most people consume their music these days? I'm just glad I got to experience a movement and subculture when I was growing up.
@@luke7708 my friends and I are still having fun with limp bizkit. Hahha its the best to be in the car on a ride going crazy 😂🤣
And now that I have my band it's been the soundtrack of fun again. Just waiting for the pandemic to be over to get back it. Rock on bro!
I love NU-Metal....korn, Limp, Disturbed and more, hell it may be my fav sub genre of rock.
Surprised to hear you mention Snot. These videos are amazing and you are a treasure trove of metal/rock knowledge and history. Thanks for the hours of entertainment and nostalgia
I:ve always felt like Nu metal is more a description of a period than an actual genre.
well said dude, i totally agree!!!!
@DansWarped Tim Commerford hates
@DansWarped With all due respect, I'll break down why people started to hate nu metal(I'll be repeating some of the points Finn made)
-It was oversaturated and everywhere. It had become the dominant hard rock/metal sound in the late 90's and in that situation inevitably people will turn against it.
-Musically, it was very rhythm-oriented, especially in regards to guitar playing. A lot of nu metal bands didn't really grow or challenge themselves to move beyond downtuned drop D guitar riffs. People got burned out from that.
-It was juvenile. That's not necessarily a slight, since punk rock is also very juvenile, but that just means that when the fanbase matures they're in danger of leaving.
-The "manufactured angst" Finn talked about was right on the money. Plus, the other side of nu metal lyrics from the pain/torture aspect was the macho tough guy posturing.
Nu metal was fresh and interesting when it began, but in the few years it was around music fans just got tired of it. I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy nu metal, just speaking from my own experience.
I kind of agree with this too. It’s hard to really define nu-metal as a genre... it’s like a period of overall heavy music that occurred after grunge. But other metal genres like death metal and black metal were still very much alive during the nu-metal period too.
That period, like any period, had more things going on in it than a crappy sub genre heavy metal. So: no, it doesn't describe a period. Your feelings have got it arse-backwards.
You might as well say, "I've always felt like Jackass and the X Games were more descriptions of a period in time, than an actual comedy show and televised extreme sports tournament".
Or how about, "I've always felt like Nike Air Jordans are more a description of a period than an actual basket ball shoe".
It was OF it's time period, definitely. Very, very dated because it has not dated well. But it certainly was not 'the period'. It actually was/ is just a kind of music. And what's funny is it is really, really dated and old-hat but it has the word 'new' in it but it's spelt 'Nu' which makes it even worse and even stupider, more of-it's-time, dated, old fashioned and crap.
I was there! I was 13! Korn didn’t show up with orange 9mm and S.O.A in a Hampton VA at the Nsect Club and I was bummed
thank you for mentioning the downtuning. it seems like a small technical detail but has so much impact
This isn't something nu-metal really started. You had bands like Sleep, Kyuss, and Eyehategod downtuning to C years before nu-metal was a thing. Nu-metal took it a step further by bringing ing 7 string guitars.
Carcass tuned to B and often jokes about starting nu Metal
I'm from the future.... Korn and Slipknot's new songs are badass.
I love korn. But their new songs are not good
Slipknot is not NU-Metal they have lots of different metal genres together! Some songs have Thrash Metal and Death Metal influences! I would admit that there first album did have that "NU" sound but they got more heavy when Iowa came out! Just listen to Korn: Take Me and Slipknot: Solway Firth......the sound completely different!
11:48 comparing the softest linkin park track to the hardest korn track.. really dude
Even I thought that was a bit cheap. I'm sure you could pick a quiet part of later Korn songs and put it up against By Myself and make Linkin Park look hard af.
I don't think it's an unfair comparison of the overall difference in general sound and feel of the two bands. It's not making a judgment call unless you think heavy = automatically better.
I'm still confused about why the deftones aren't nu metal. Lol.
JayGarderis yeah and the linkin Park sample had vocals and the korn sample did not... pure ignorance.
Should've compaired Numb to Alone I break... that would be a fairly even comparison between the two bands. Linkin Park have had some heavier songs just like Korn have had some mellow songs but I'd still call both Nu Metal in the beginning. Linkin park turned more mainstream though to try and break their image away from the dying Nu Metal scene.... which tbh I commend them for as it kept them more current than Korn (not hating on Korn just wasn't a fan of their turn to techno). But in the beginning Linkin Park were definitely Nu Metal.
Nu metal is probably my favorite genre right now and has been for a while to be honest.
I don't really like the new Slipknot songs but I do recognize their older ones. My favourite band is Korn and Silverchair. Deftones is also super great as well. Never really got into more of that though.
Nu-metal for me was 100% the reason why i still like hard rock/metal
Same.
Don't kid yourself, there are a group of 10 guys or so that control mainstream music. After woodstock 99 they said " I think we need to steer this in a different direction". There are still a lot of fans out there for this style of music it's just not mainstream. This style of music was on top of the world and in less then a couple of years it was gone. Crazy fast shift.
Thank you for keeping the respect for KoRn, which is still going strong to this day. 20+ years and counting. "Are you readyyyy?"
Korn is the best NuMetal act IMO
@@davidbouchard2499 They're my favorite band. They're honest, they're sincere and that's what sets them apart from everyone else.
@@CapriKoRn I cannot say that i am a fan, but i like a few songs and they are a legitimate band that produce good music so i respect their work.
Cant wait for the new album this year!
Remember Rocky George, former guitarist of Suicidal Tendencies. He used 7 String guitar at the beginning of the 90's.
And for Nu-Metal, I think we shouldn't forget Sepultura as an early kind of influence.
The Chaos A.D. album!
It had these downtuned Guitars, the agression of the old thrash past, but slower, with more groove and experimental guitar technique. Yes, less groove and without that Rap influence. But for me, this band, with this album, is an early influence. Also many songs, you can jump to.
Nu metal save me from the bubble gum pop of the 90's.. That's all the reason I need to be a Fan for life 🤘🤘
Honestly, there is something to be said about classism (and a few other -isms) in relation to music perception. Music that appeals to particular class or race groups are going to like, hit different than they will to musical academics, or music pundits.
The whole disregard and disdain for Disco is a prime example.
There's a level of disfranchisement that surrounds Nu-Metal and other counter-culture music that "The Elite" of music just aren't going to resonate with.
It's def something that should be considered and discussed. :)
Sorry dude I was around for disco and it still sucks, at the time we were comforted knowing at least KISS would never go disco! but then. They released...................Dynasty!
@@williamsherman1089 Not a dude.
You saying "disco still sucks" proves the reason why I mentioned that example specifically. It was just as much an opinion and it was a cultural movement fueled by racism.
If you don't like disco, that's fine. There are lots of genres these days.
The broad sweeping generalisations aren't particularly helpful. Just because it wasn't made for you doesn't mean its bad. There's nuance to things.
no its just poser music
Love your videos. You're one of the first channels I'll check out when my ears are fatigued from listening to so many hours of metal a day. Keep it up.
Also a lot of my best friends who happen to be a fellow outcasts in high school loved Korn and other nu-metal bands... I remember thinking it somehow wasn't sophisticated enough for me because I grew up listening to ELO and stuff like that. If it didn't have 3 chord changes per second I wasn't interested and boy was I missing out. That "stereotypical fan from Ohio" was very much my friend. A good kid who just didn't fit in.
6:30 - starts talking about me. I’m 17 and I wish nu metal was still around. I wish I grew up when that shit exploded so I could’ve went to all the concerts like my dad.
5:39
"and once Korn popped".
I see what you did there.
Goddamnit. Your description of the kids from Indiana is me to a T. Seriously. I grew up and still live here. I hate it just as much as when I was growing up. I was pissed off full of hate growing up. I had no idea what to do about it. Wow dude you fucking nailed that one. 👏 👏
NBA I love your content I’m an old-school hard-core guy, but I love the grunge and the new metal too. I got as a person from virginia that GWAR should get some credit for bridging the gap in the 80s through the 90s between hard-core and new metal. It could definitely be argued that they are the first new nu band.
Jonathan Davis is still one of my favorite live performers!
Grunge is not dead, nu metal is not forgotten. Just love music. Dont be a hater.
#Amen
Do not mention grunge in the same sentence with that garbage.
I will be hate what i want be hate.
Fuck. Yes. 🤘🏼
@AJ Soprano Hahahahahahahaha whatever...Idiot.
I was listening to punk, alternative rock, hip-hop, and I thought of metal as something old-fashioned, poser and show-off - men in tight pants, with iron chains, striking macho poses, showing off about who could hit a higher note or play a faster solo and singing about shit like zombies, dragons and bikes. And then there was Korn, where the vocalist sang about his feelings, many of which were familiar to me, and they also looked like dudes from the streets. It was the first metal band that felt real to me. Like the video said, it was like Nirvana, only heavier and angrier - just what I needed.
I’m 40 years old and I’m still blasting Korn
I love heavy music, punk as well as rap. So for me nu metal was just music. Loved some bands as RATM, SOAD, Slipknot etc as well as Limp Bizkit.
“It all started in 1995”
*disregards RATM’s first album*
I was like what about RATM? Unless RATM falls under a different genre.
@Andrew RATM to me is the very first Nu-Metal band.
He has listed them as Alt-Metal
@Andrew what edge
@Andrew RATM Rages with the machine and supports everything that the biggest corporations in America support.
To people in the comments trashing Finn because Slipknot and Korn still being super popular:
1) Only Slipknot's first album was really nu-metal
2) Korn has changed their sound to be more mainstream (not that that's a bad thing, but it's barely nu-metal now imo)
3) And if you look at the late-90s and early 2000s, the popularity does not compare. Even if Slipknot and Korn were still nu-metal, they're the only ones. But back then, there were soooo many nu-metal bands with mainstream popularity (Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, etc.). There are very few new nu-metal bands now. That's what he means by "dead." There are no new developments in the genre.
#2- then have changed a lot now. Musically they remind me of a death core type band but no solos
Nah the first three Slipknot albums are Nu Metal
And Korn are so damn nu metal no matter what they do it still sounds like nu metal they arguably created it.
A bit wrong to say Korn changed their sound to be more mainstream when at their absolute peak, they were dominating every mainstream publication. I remember loving the fact that my sisters arguing over nsync and Backstreet Boys on TRL and Korn dominating both. I mean hell, they were staying ahead of both and the female end with Brittany Spears and Christina.
But I completely understand your point because they’ve never stopped evolving. My absolute favorite band ever.
Nu Metal was born with "Chaos A.D." by Sepultura.. I'm surprised so few people mention that album in nu metal discussions.
It was definitely influential, but it was groove metal. Pantera was in that subgenre too, and that style had a huge impact on nu-metal.
Divine intervention
I totally agree.
Mr.Bungle Quote Unquote created that riff look it up Korn even calls it the Mr.Bungle riff
@@robmitchell3039 Pantera stared out as another hair metal band
Nu metal opened the door for me to metalcore, deathcore, and hardcore.
"Once Korn popped."
well played my dude.
I've always loved numetal. And still do. Korn was my absolute favorite for a while when I was a kid. That band spoke to me on so many levels growing up. And then Slipknot came out and hoooooly shit. My world was forever changed.
Honestly, Nu Metal basically “died” when Eminem dissed Fred Durst. He was basically the “face” of the Genre at the time, so once Em did that, LB was no longer cool and by proxy the Nu Metal scene all together. To kids in the suburbs, Eminem was the real deal, while Fred Durst felt like this douchey, wanna-be poser (not to mention Wes Borland leaving the band shortly after). And being labeled a “poser” is like the kiss of death in punk & metal…
21yo german dude, been listening to slipknot since I was five, my step-grandfather introduced me to them.
may he rest in peace.