Vinny Calvo..Well better pushrods didn’t come with the pile of parts that he is bolting on to make this think so amazing! Lol. Goes back to the extreme lack of mechanical understanding and knowledge.
I think they said there's an ARC rod. I don't know that brand but maybe they thought of it. What bugs me is I could have SWORN turbos dont like a cam with a lot of overlap... my memory is faulty but... i dunno.
@@lpmorgan90 wrong. It's to cool the charged air AFTER it passes through the turbo. I recommended ethanol to lower cylinder temps because it has a natural cooling effect.
Just a heads up you want as little valve overlap as possible on a turbo setup... you want them to open then slam shut to hold the boost pressure charge in not blow it out the exhaust port it wastes valuable duration on the camshaft blowing boost out the exhaust valve...
I really like the clear parts on these builds, that would be cool if the pullstart was clear and flywheel cover.. clear is dope for viewing these beautiful bullet parts 😍
That cam is not going to be ideal for a turbocharged application. Minimal overlap is what your lookin for. All of that captured energy coming from the turbo will get spit right back out the exhaust and the turbo will be all for nothing. This is especially true in your case, where you’ll be lucky to see 5 lbs
Hey Man, Awesome build!! Great to see the progress to efi. Just wanted to mention that a larger collector at the turbo may be required as the waste gate exhaust can interfere with the exhaust and cause a bunch of problems with boost creep, low spool and hot egts. Maybe make a separate pipe that joins in for the waste gate
You guys need to start getting into bigger cams.... like a f275 or 308 but great video! Love the way the engine looks. How did you install the brass Barbs in the billet side cover?
Just have to have valve pockets cut into the piston. Drag mini bike guys use big cams even bigger than a 308 in a hemi predator with over size valves around a 32 28 set up. All you see people using is mod 2 cans most the time a a mod2 ain't much better than a stock cam
Linda Castro yeah valve reliefs in the piston or shave it down quite a bit and just get the stroker rod. It aint much but i mean🤷🏽♂️anything is something
@@Skwisgar2322 that was years and years ago, before they really knew what they were doing. I'd love for them to revise that thing with all they've learned.
@@BuildBreakRepeat Nah boss a couple of channels have done the same thing with efi and it was only semi effective they only moved the power band to a higher area in the rev range
Nicks backyardprojects...lol exactly. It doesn’t matter how many parts you can “bolt on” to this thing. You still actually have to know the why and the how of building boosted engines if you really want it to work. I applaud them giving it a try, but there is an enormous lack of knowledge behind this project... which almost always spells disaster. I wish you all the best though, I hope you succeed in whatever the hell you are trying to do here.
Good job guys! Glad to hear you've decided to go the EFI route. Which system are you going to use and about how much will it set you back? I've been impatiently waiting on nanoefi myself. After you've tuned this and dyno'd it you should cut the drive portion off and run it belt or chain driven as a supercharger. Taking a WAG I'd think you should get 20%-40% more power and you'd definitely get boost over a wider RPM range.
This will be interesting when its built, question will it actually be worth the money put into it....likely not at all. Still really don't understand upgrading small engine vs buying a motorcycle or quad engine. Thought for later, what about building a gearbox for one of your projects and testing it vs just a sproket. :)
You can poboy balance the crankshaft use old bearings on the crank with the piston rod rings everything together on the crank as if it was in the engine. Use something to set the crank bearings in for the crankshaft to be able to spin in the bearings freely with the piston and rod hanging down spin the crank to see if the weights are heavier or the piston is heavier you will then know what is heavier to take material off of. If done correctly you will have a engine that will last! Not doing so results in bearing wear then rod nock then worse from then on. Not hating on the turbo build I think its sweet tbh. Also remember with force induction you'll always be taking timing out. I'd start with stock ignition timing and go from there 32 degrees i still think is to much.
I put a 265 cam in a gx200 an hour ago and I spun I’d over by hand for 5 minutes. Didn’t have a clearance issue. What would be making the difference is there that much difference to the predators
Yeah I think the turbo is going to be "just for fun" but I like it anyway. Even if it made boost whether this particular EFI can take advantage of it is a big question.
Only n00bs run low compression with boost. With a good cylinder head, quality charge cooling, the proper timing, and a lot of octane you can easily run high compression, high boost, high power motors. This 212 motor though.. while they proved in the dyno episode the turbo is actually adding power, it's not really that much.
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I could be wrong, but that head that you added. Is it not the same one the 208cc engines use? I swapped my simpson 208 head onto my predator. I believe that they have bigger valves
No, it wouldn’t actually. 1) better to have a little longer downpipe for noise reasons, and 2) if they flipped it around the intake piping would be way longer than necessary
Your gonna kill all you boost with that cam. The boost will just flow straight out the exhaust with all that overlap. You want an love separation angle of about 115-112° with boost. Don't know the lsa it has now so please tell me what it is. Also don't want too much duration. Maybe 230 max. You really want high lift low duration amd a wide lsa with boost
@@fullmetaljacket7 yep, I have the same turbo on a 300cc water cooled scooter, and it just starts to make boost at 5500. 212 is never going to get enough heat to spool that turbo. They would be better off with EFI and a 10 shot of nitrous.
If you get the turbo working right, you'll have achieved something Cars & Cameras didn't. Not knocking them, because I like a lot of their stuff. But they just never got the turbo working in a way that was satisfactory. It'll be interesting to see how this progresses and if it can get dialed in on a small engine like this.
Build Break Repeat can the efi control timing? Yall should try running a single COP coil off of a car engine if so and set up some anti-lag/2-step on the thing
does it matter which way you orient the turbo? all the turbo's I see on normal cars face towards the direction of travel. does it grab less air or lose efficiency routed in reverse?
Kinda scary dinging a new cam against the crank. Big cam may get smaller and smaller. I figure with a build like this it wont last that long anyway. Suggest a quick hone before new rings. Im ready to see if its worth the $ or not.
Wait, GoPowerSports hooked it up for free, or you paid for it all? I would love to have some aftermarket parts sponsored for my 600 whp Civic. 😂 Edit: you know what man, I'm sorry. If they hooked you up, it's because you deserve it. I didn't mean to be a hater, I guess I'm just jelly.
We need a complete no bullshit kits that are easy to choose from I haven’t ordered because the details aren’t clear and they have two many different options in each stage class need three level choices for each stage just to make it easier to choose either every part needed we also need a appearance kits to choose from and the insane stage with the turbo included and all parts included to install
Can't wait to see the finished rotary project..rotary rules
gmane1989 yeah we just need some time to build the frame and get parts lol...these vids will be here in the meantime.
I'm a heavy equipment mechanic 🛠️🔧🔩⚙️ I like your videos 👍. Greetings from Slovenia 😎🍻.
Gašper Ajdnik and you can’t spell
@@edwinvilla8822 He said he was from Slovenia. Calm down.
Welcome. Also see redbeards garage and carsandcameras if you like this channel.
You're from.Slovenia... you don't have mechanics... can't think of any decent car to come from eastern europe
@@lpmorgan90 no we have mechanics i'm a mechanic sol IS my friend
Supercharger...Scrap the Turbo.. Supercharger Supercharger
no man..
Agreed, it would actually make proper boost.
hairdryer might work better?
Super charged....It works on Model engines. So a briggs is just a bigger version... Supercharger. Instant POWER
SO2002 sadly it would be way easier to make BOOOOOOOST
It would be a shame to turbo the Rotary engine, but Imagine how awesome that would be!!😂😂
Pretty sure Mazda turbo's a rotary ;)
Cant wait to see finished this engine 😍 i have a bmw mono cylinder and i meed to learn how to do correctly. Good lucks and big thanks!!!
PLEASE TELL ME YOURE NOT USING STOCK PUSHRODS!! PLEASE!!! If you are those will bend sooooo quickly, you need chromoly pushrods!
Vinny Calvo..Well better pushrods didn’t come with the pile of parts that he is bolting on to make this think so amazing! Lol. Goes back to the extreme lack of mechanical understanding and knowledge.
Well the channel is called build, BREAK, repeat.
I think they said there's an ARC rod. I don't know that brand but maybe they thought of it. What bugs me is I could have SWORN turbos dont like a cam with a lot of overlap... my memory is faulty but... i dunno.
If you're not running an intercooler I would run ethanol with the EFI set up.
thing wont make enough MAD to even need an intercooler.. 2-3lbs at best
The idea of the intercooler isn't to cool the turbo... it's to cool the air going through the turbo haha
@@lpmorgan90 wrong. It's to cool the charged air AFTER it passes through the turbo. I recommended ethanol to lower cylinder temps because it has a natural cooling effect.
@@scottycotner I knew I got it arse way round haha nevermind
Painting the cooling fins is like wrapping them in insulation to hold the heat in.
Lol no it's not.
@@Jeremy-iv9bc actually it is. the motor is air cooled, surface area is needed to keep the motor cool, hence the fins.
@@Naferner_Said yea but that's why they used engine paint it's made to dissipate heat well
Just a heads up you want as little valve overlap as possible on a turbo setup... you want them to open then slam shut to hold the boost pressure charge in not blow it out the exhaust port it wastes valuable duration on the camshaft blowing boost out the exhaust valve...
I really like the clear parts on these builds, that would be cool if the pullstart was clear and flywheel cover.. clear is dope for viewing these beautiful bullet parts 😍
Finally someone who knows how to use a feeler gauge, the feeler gauge isnt supposed to slide in easily, its supposed to be a little hard
Man,that is SIC ! You guys Rock the Net !
Long overlap+turbo=mistake
That cam is not going to be ideal for a turbocharged application. Minimal overlap is what your lookin for. All of that captured energy coming from the turbo will get spit right back out the exhaust and the turbo will be all for nothing. This is especially true in your case, where you’ll be lucky to see 5 lbs
Yeah in automotive applications that's kinda the standard deal, don't want high duration or overlap on a turbo application
Hey Man, Awesome build!! Great to see the progress to efi. Just wanted to mention that a larger collector at the turbo may be required as the waste gate exhaust can interfere with the exhaust and cause a bunch of problems with boost creep, low spool and hot egts. Maybe make a separate pipe that joins in for the waste gate
I'd be intrigued to see one of these running on E90... that would probably crank out some really good power when it hits boost!
Thanks, guys nice build. I also enjoyed the early 90's dye job.
I did the exact same thing with painting my block and sanding the fins . I thought I was the only person to ever do it !
You guys need to start getting into bigger cams.... like a f275 or 308 but great video! Love the way the engine looks. How did you install the brass Barbs in the billet side cover?
What do you know about putting in bigger cams? They used a tap kit to fit them.
They already had clearance issues with then new cam, a bigger cam would make that worse
Just have to have valve pockets cut into the piston. Drag mini bike guys use big cams even bigger than a 308 in a hemi predator with over size valves around a 32 28 set up. All you see people using is mod 2 cans most the time a a mod2 ain't much better than a stock cam
Shit GPS has bigger than .308’s😂😂😂put a MONSTER cam they just need chromoly pushrods and gage venom roller rockers
Linda Castro yeah valve reliefs in the piston or shave it down quite a bit and just get the stroker rod. It aint much but i mean🤷🏽♂️anything is something
Love the black and polished. Looks amazing
On the next episode: we make a kart slower by adding a turbo.
Nicks backyardprojects That maybe true, but with efi this thing should really have a chance. Nobody has really ever gone this far so who knows 🤙🏻
@@BuildBreakRepeat CarsAndCameras has gotten close with the turbo efi drift trike.
@@Skwisgar2322 that was years and years ago, before they really knew what they were doing. I'd love for them to revise that thing with all they've learned.
@@BuildBreakRepeat Nah boss a couple of channels have done the same thing with efi and it was only semi effective they only moved the power band to a higher area in the rev range
Nicks backyardprojects...lol exactly. It doesn’t matter how many parts you can “bolt on” to this thing. You still actually have to know the why and the how of building boosted engines if you really want it to work. I applaud them giving it a try, but there is an enormous lack of knowledge behind this project... which almost always spells disaster. I wish you all the best though, I hope you succeed in whatever the hell you are trying to do here.
Would you the valve lash for 212cc non hemi predator with 18lb Springs?
Your intro is just so amazing ^^ great video
Where did you all get the turbo I need one for my drag kart
the turbo store
God damn you went really tryhard on this engine niceee dude👌👌🔥🔥
better off using smog pump as supercharger
Nahh man now things Will make some boost!
Amazing video! It seems every video you make even more progress!
Edit: also never seen a black 212 before and it looks AMAZING
Patience and time are key
Good job guys! Glad to hear you've decided to go the EFI route. Which system are you going to use and about how much will it set you back? I've been impatiently waiting on nanoefi myself.
After you've tuned this and dyno'd it you should cut the drive portion off and run it belt or chain driven as a supercharger. Taking a WAG I'd think you should get 20%-40% more power and you'd definitely get boost over a wider RPM range.
This will be interesting when its built, question will it actually be worth the money put into it....likely not at all.
Still really don't understand upgrading small engine vs buying a motorcycle or quad engine.
Thought for later, what about building a gearbox for one of your projects and testing it vs just a sproket. :)
Agreed much better off with a 250 4 stroke from a bike. Way better drivetrain already setup, and much more aftermarket parts available
I think its because a new predator 212 is like 99 dollars
@@nah6430 a new predator is $99 but he installed $1000 worth of price in it... You're better of buying a motorcycle and pulling the engine out...
Wow !!! Can’t wait to see it rip!!!
Love that engine it looks great
You can poboy balance the crankshaft use old bearings on the crank with the piston rod rings everything together on the crank as if it was in the engine. Use something to set the crank bearings in for the crankshaft to be able to spin in the bearings freely with the piston and rod hanging down spin the crank to see if the weights are heavier or the piston is heavier you will then know what is heavier to take material off of. If done correctly you will have a engine that will last! Not doing so results in bearing wear then rod nock then worse from then on. Not hating on the turbo build I think its sweet tbh. Also remember with force induction you'll always be taking timing out. I'd start with stock ignition timing and go from there 32 degrees i still think is to much.
Congrats on the longest run-on sentence I have ever attempted to read!
You know you want high lift with minimal overlap for turbos.... just fyi. Keep up the good work
Ну ребята. это отличная работа, удачи вам!!!!!
Looks sick
U guys are genius!
Damm that's one mean engine
looks so good
when checking ring gap make sure you scrape the side of the bore with the feeler gauges
Have you had any luck with the clear valve cover I keep cracking with very little torque
I put a 265 cam in a gx200 an hour ago and I spun I’d over by hand for 5 minutes. Didn’t have a clearance issue. What would be making the difference is there that much difference to the predators
It’s funny that a stage 4 kit is almost an entire new motor and you just keep the short block and a couple shrouds 😂
what turbo is this?? i wanna turbo my predator 212 but can’t find one that fits
consider some chrome moly pushrods...cheap insurance :)
quick question, why are flat head pistons used instead of the regular ones?
higher compression and turbo not a good combination, usually you lower compression when boosting
True but more power off idle.
Depends, lower compression in good when you want to run a lot of boost. Doubt this turbo will be able to generate 20 or 30 psi😂
Yeah I think the turbo is going to be "just for fun" but I like it anyway. Even if it made boost whether this particular EFI can take advantage of it is a big question.
Only n00bs run low compression with boost. With a good cylinder head, quality charge cooling, the proper timing, and a lot of octane you can easily run high compression, high boost, high power motors.
This 212 motor though.. while they proved in the dyno episode the turbo is actually adding power, it's not really that much.
He set the ring gap at .057 that’s huge lol. It should let some compression past the rings
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Rotate the turbo 90⁰ and the exhaust will dump out the side. As well as the intake side will dump into the carb.
Nice engine keep good work 😎🤙
Hey question guys where did you get the turbo for such a small engine the eBay or Amazon? I want to do a turbo
So nice to see you put a dial indicator in a vice. Really professional for sure. What next, maybe your gland's peinus ????
I could be wrong, but that head that you added. Is it not the same one the 208cc engines use? I swapped my simpson 208 head onto my predator. I believe that they have bigger valves
did you shave part of the crank?? and how did you do so?
Why dont yall turn the turbo around
That would make so much more since
No, it wouldn’t actually. 1) better to have a little longer downpipe for noise reasons, and 2) if they flipped it around the intake piping would be way longer than necessary
@@E46TY still would be smarter for flow sakes and simplisity sakes
Damnit you should of showed more of the engine running :)
I been waiting..lol
Love ur bike project doing one myself
Your gonna kill all you boost with that cam. The boost will just flow straight out the exhaust with all that overlap. You want an love separation angle of about 115-112° with boost. Don't know the lsa it has now so please tell me what it is. Also don't want too much duration. Maybe 230 max. You really want high lift low duration amd a wide lsa with boost
How are you gonna build boost like that with barely any exhaust flow
That turbo is way too big for that engine anyways.
@@fullmetaljacket7 yep, I have the same turbo on a 300cc water cooled scooter, and it just starts to make boost at 5500. 212 is never going to get enough heat to spool that turbo. They would be better off with EFI and a 10 shot of nitrous.
@@traceanthony3588 if it makes any boost at all it'll just blow all the fresh charge out the exhaust and not make any more power with that cam.
@@hunterpetrovich1460 but isnt that cam included in the kit he bought from powerjunksports?
If you get the turbo working right, you'll have achieved something Cars & Cameras didn't. Not knocking them, because I like a lot of their stuff. But they just never got the turbo working in a way that was satisfactory. It'll be interesting to see how this progresses and if it can get dialed in on a small engine like this.
Looks awesome would be sick if there was a way to run a 2 step to build boost before launching it
Jeremy Howell Dude we were thinking of that, this efi system is really cool, might be able to do it
Build Break Repeat can the efi control timing? Yall should try running a single COP coil off of a car engine if so and set up some anti-lag/2-step on the thing
does it matter which way you orient the turbo? all the turbo's I see on normal cars face towards the direction of travel. does it grab less air or lose efficiency routed in reverse?
William Forbes it wont make a noticeable difference on anything as long as it can still get fresh not hot as hell air
You do realize that by painting it will make it run hotter the paint acts like a insulation not allowing the heat to disparate
“Turbocharged predator 212 that knocks like a diesel”
Dino the new setup
TURBOCHARGED 4321 that’s the plan!
Dyno*
Mantap bro.
What gasket you use for the hewd
Where did you get the turbo ?
Ok, now it'll make more power than my 212 R...
Probably gonna need heavy duty push rods. Since the cam is so agresive and the springs are so stiff
Where to buy a adapter for Exaust-turbo ? Please help
What’s the turbo you used for this application?
What are you guys planning to use for EFI?
You will "blow the jug" get that block welded and reinforced properly. Always needed when running over 20hp
How do you plan to oil pressure lubricate the turbo?
that small useless turbo is probably sealed
w s l... M8 are you clueless or just stupid?
Kinda scary dinging a new cam against the crank. Big cam may get smaller and smaller. I figure with a build like this it wont last that long anyway. Suggest a quick hone before new rings. Im ready to see if its worth the $ or not.
Great content
How much did that cost
Got a link to a demo video for this?
We’re did u get the turbo
Dorito power !
Wait, GoPowerSports hooked it up for free, or you paid for it all? I would love to have some aftermarket parts sponsored for my 600 whp Civic. 😂 Edit: you know what man, I'm sorry. If they hooked you up, it's because you deserve it. I didn't mean to be a hater, I guess I'm just jelly.
Good luck on the 600Whp... hope you've had all the internals done, full balance and blue print... and all the headwork... good luck
They are cut to length pushrods, that's why they were too long, you have to measure and cut them for your application
I’d would have kept the stock compression and ran a MLS head gasket to drop compression to help prevent pre detonation. Also race gas
Wheres the turbo from??
This is really interesting. EFI and clear valve covers? They sure didn't have this when I was a kid. You got a Tecumseh carb and POINTS! It sucked.
What turbo is that
Let there be boost!
Whats a pradator??
Honda clone aka “Chonda”.
@@tthutch3898 yeah I know what it's is but isn't it a Predator? Lol
What’s the link for the turbo
1:55 smallest lobe separation angle. LSA
More pound valve springs works better with turbo 🤝🏼 oh and a waste gage so extra air can escape works more efficiently
Gate*
where did you get the f1 cart
Would this fit on my Coleman ct100 xD
How much tourq does it have
How does this favor on a baja warrior
I plan to do this with a flathead 5hp I have a garrett gbc14-200 turbo
Are those oil lines???
Looks like blow-by, (oil) vapor recovery. I don’t see any oil lines for the turbo.
🔥
We need a complete no bullshit kits that are easy to choose from I haven’t ordered because the details aren’t clear and they have two many different options in each stage class need three level choices for each stage just to make it easier to choose either every part needed we also need a appearance kits to choose from and the insane stage with the turbo included and all parts included to install