How to RECORD your SYNTHS into a DAW (Ableton & Logic) | Noize London
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After trawling through hours of TH-cam... I finally found this vid which clearly and simply explains linking a synth to PC/DAW and recording the actual synth sound. Cheers man...you have a new subscriber....
After several attempts I finally made it too with my micrfreak and ableton. Thanmk you soooo much. Much appreciated!!
You’re most welcome buddy
What kinda of interface did you use?
This video was extremely helpful - helped me connect my Minilogue xd and finally send in MIDI. Thanks!
You’re most welcome !!
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FYI - you don't need to put an external instrument in order to play midi, you can just open a midi track and set the appropriate midi channel :)
Specially that External Instrument often have a lot of latency compare to a straight midi channel!
sure but a hardware synth is not the same thing as a software synth
Thanks a lot!!!! I was trying to figure this out for 3 days and fortunately I came into your video. You explained it very well! Thanks!!!! 🙏
Should go without saying (he says) but you need to get the Korg USB to MIDI driver for your synth, even for Mac. I wrongly assumed it would be plug and play.
Not meaning to be dense, but can anyone explain the advantages of recording the midi data first and then the audio track from the midi versus recording the synth just via audio without the midi? What I see here, and in other videos, is essentially a process of laying down an audio track, but with the addition of a midi track first. So....if the idea is to create an audio track, why not just record the audio track to begin with?
I'm not asking this to be a prick, but as a complete midi newbie that started down this midi rabbit hole a week or so ago after only recording via the audio outputs of my synth for the past couple of years or so.
I'm a simple home recording person that records their own music for fun, hobby, tinkering, etc. No live performing or any of that. I retired a handful of years ago and had always wanted to get into synths and purchased a Korg Kronos to cut my teeth on. I've used it to learn to create sounds, drum tracks, recording...etc. I compose my own music with my Korg running the audio outputs to my audio interface. The audio interface is then plugged into the computer via USB and my monitors connect to the output of the audio interface. When I'm ready to record I arm a track, hit record, play the piece for the track, then repeat the process for however many tracks a piece of music needs.
If it's a complex piece then I record the tracks to the built in sequencer on the Kronos first, edit and quantize the tracks, then record the tracks into my daw. So, is it a case of a synth not having a built in sequencer, in which case you record the midi into the daw so the software can quantize and edit the midi data before laying down the audio track itself?
Depending on the daw this may vary, but try to always use hardware synth as a virtual instrument - have Midi track recorded and audio processed through your sound card. This way you will have it all on one channel, rather than having audio and midi separate. OFC you can do that too ,but it is tedious. Once you are happy with endless midi tweaking, bounce your synth in real time. This doesn't apply (at least for me) when it comes to my drum machines, as my sequencers are good enough and i dont need midi to fix the performance of the programmed patterns. so AR and Tempest go directly to their respective channels, ofc i get each sound separately so i can treat it as i want rather than a stereo image.
Cheers, ive just swapped to Ableton and this helped 😁👍
Finally !! Been trying to find out how to do this for weeks ! Thanks !
Mate ! I can't thank you enough!! Finally I can create and use midi to play my synth! I can play in the midi then edit if/as needed and record the synth sounds ! What a relief !
My next task is to work out how to synchronise the LFO rates to the tempo in logic. eg if my logic tempo is 125 then how can I make the LFO pulse at the same rate? Is this using the midi clock? I want to create pulsing base sounds in the synth and bring into logic to align with other instruments. Thanks
Man, I have a Minilogue too. I could never sync it to my computer but I´m looking forward to try it again. Thanks!
Wasn't even that much hassle that was a double bluff u sneaky bastard XD. Thankyou was really helpful
Hi - I have followed all the steps but cannot seem to install the drivers for KORG on Mac Catalina (I have a KORG Pa4X). What else can I do - I really would love to use the Korg Sounds (in midi format) on my project?
Can I just USB it all? Or do you need the audio interface
The analog synth needs to be converted from analog to digital, which is why the duet is being used. The usb interface is just a middle man for midi and usb connections.
This is gold!! Thanks so much for sharing. I never knew this was possible 😮
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Hey, I was wondering if you need a MIDI controller if you have a synthesiser?
Very clear instructions. However I assumed that my Werkstatt 01 could have the MIDI playback into it but it has No MIDI connection. I had connected my Arturia Keystep to the Werkstatt via VCO Exp FM and Gate In as a controller setup and the Keystep connected to my MBP Logic Pro X via MIDI and my Werkstatt to my Input 1 on the Audio Interface connected to my MBP. This is why at first I thought it would work for me but did not. What I ended up playing on my Keystep and hearing my sounds from the Werkstatt sounded good but then had nothing playing back. I then switched the Instrument on the MIDI Track I recorded to a Plug In and that worked of course. But the whole reason for the video is to use a Synth instead of Plug Ins. I will be on the lookout for Synths that have MIDI Out like the one you use. I am new at this so appreciate all the step by step details. Thanks!
thank you so much bro! I just got a minilogue and no videos were helping but this helps so much💐
What audio interface are you using here? Would you have any recommendations for an interface for a setup that includes recording a TR8S, TD3 and Behringer MS1 into Abelton please?
This video was so helpful!! Thanks, man :)
Thank you very much this is really well done. I noticed you connected a balanced TRS instead of a instrument cable. Also, I am wondering if I could connect my minilogue directly to a pair of powered speakers (M-audio BX5) without going to my computer?
Is there a way to share clock information between Minilogue XD, and ableton conected with usb. If so, how?
Thanks for this! Question: I'm using MicroBrute as my synth. Is there a way to record automation? all I can think of is connecting an iRig/phone to record the transition and then send the recording back to the DAW. Is there an internal way of doing it in Ableton?
Great vid. I'd love to know the name of the usb / midi convertor box shown. I can't find anything like it online...thanks, any help appreciated.
Look up midi interface :)
Bro, can I ask a question? I write rave and oldskool Acidhouse. I use hardware only. I want to record my live jams/songs into Audacity in order to 'polish' the tracks to release them.
I can't a tutorial anywhere that shows me how to do this. Like, anywhere!
Could you help in any way? You're my only hope...! 😊
Touche! Thanks for taking the time to review this :) Does midi record and filter changes on the synth that you make during the recording? Or just the keystrokes? Thanks!
Yes it does as part of something called CC change :)
Thank you mate, this is brilliant.
Ok so help me out here. I use logic and I just picked up a Korg minilogue XS the other day. With my experience in logic I thought this would be easy but it’s obviously not ha ha. I was trying to bypass using midi thinking that I could connect directly into my apogee duet 2 by means of a 1/4” audio out with a splitter connecting into the 1/4” inputs (1 & 2). I was able to open an audio file in logic, use surround, and the tracks were recording and playing back recorded material as you would expect. Even the recorded waveforms looked normal. However, that was not the case when trying to bounce and share the project. It’s become a nightmare. I must be doing something wrong.
Hi Sorry For the silly question I’m new to this I have to connect Audio and midi ? Or if I connect audio I don’t have to connect midi ???
In Ableton it’s an easier and better solution to use the audio input in the external instrument device. Then you can also implement the latency control on the device. Figure out what the latency is and the set it and forget and when you commit to audio (by recording it to an audio track like you show) it will always be in time :)
Totally, but sometimes commiting to the audio has its advantages also :)
Anyone have a comprehensive (and truly accurate) tutorial on latency and how to handle it correctly with external devices in Live?
Adam Tulk I believe there is a pretty good tutorial in the Live manual on how to “measure” your latency.
This was great and just what this newbie needed! You have a new subscriber!
Hi, I have a Roland E09 with midi connections, I bought a midi to usb cable an plugged it to my laptop. the keys work as a midi device (with ableton off and local midi off) but I am having troubles to find the roland keys in the external instrument settings. Is it because I dont have a proper audio interface?
Amazing tips. Lots of learning here, such a dope session !
Thanks buddy ! :)
I only used USB to Computer + Audio to Interface connections and it worked. What is the extra Midi connection for? I have a Minilogue Xd2
I do have a question regarding this - does the TRS cable ensure that you are receiving a stereo signal even though there is only one input selected in Ableton? For instance will I get a stereo signal if I connect my synth via TRS cable into my line input? These are great!
Nope it will only stop phase cancellation - it will still only be in mono if there is one cable to one input
Do the sounds as selected on your synth stay the same in the program
Thanks for this helpful video. I have a newbie question:
What’s your workflow when you want to record several different tracks using the same external synth with different presets - ie. a bass track, a lead, a pad etc. Am I right in thinking you need to record each sound to audio before moving onto the next one, or is there a more efficient way? Thanks
Yep that’s the right way, no other options I’m afraid gotta commit to audio
Hey man, what is the best interface for record a synth? You recommend the Scarlett?
Bruh!, thnk you so much, i connected my minilogue sucessfully with ableton
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So happy for you bro! :)
Noize London just got a Moog Grandmother and was so gutted I couldn’t get it to record to Logic. Will try this. What interface is that? I need a recommendation. Cheers
Ok, this is what i can’t understand. I am using two synths. One new, and one old. The new one is hooked up to computer directly through a usb cable, and works fine with your method. The old synth (which has a particular patch i wanna use) connects to the computer via midi in/out to usb interface I am using the little kind with the little thumb sized box mid wire. There have been two that i tried. UM ONE MK2 and Midisport USB uno. If i send the audio from the mono out of the old synth to the input of my Audio interface which is connected to my computer via thunderbolt, i can hear the patches from the old synth. (regardless of what Logic Pro track is selected) Now whether i make an instrument track, and set external instrument as the plug n, or choose external instrument as my initial track. (the former is how i have been try g most as that is what was initially explained to me) and i set the input to the same one in my audio interface that the mono out of the old synth goes i to, (just happens to be input two) and i select the external midi track to record, what i am hearing is the old synth parch coming through the audio, and what i am seeing is midi events being recorded when i play notes on the old synth. THE problem happens in play back. The midi notes are there, but there is no sound when i play it back. There is sound when i hit the keys. There are midi events going into the track, but when i playback, i hear nothing. Now if i were to take the quarter inch cable out of the mono out of the old synth and plug it into the new synth, and change the midi destination of external instrument track in logic from old synth to new synth, I would now hear the patches of the new synth (via input 2 of the audio interface which remains unchanged. Im only changing which hadware synth is going to input 2) So now i will hit record and play keys on the NEW synth, and again i am hearing the audio, and also seeing MIDI events being recorded except, unlike the old synth, when i play back the external instrument track i hear the events i jst recorded. But indon’t on the old synth.Midi cables are connected to the right ports. Mid transmit and receive are both on on the old synth. Channel 1 on logic and also on old synth. Drivers updated for midi to usb interface. I mean, it seems to me that the old synth is SENDING midi, but not receiving it. It both sends AND receives in the new synth. But the old synth, which works as a controller fine and can playback any software synths in other tracks. It sends midi to the external instrument track. But when i play back the track, there is nothing. There is with the new synth, but not with the old. Why?
Choose input monitoring OR record enable but not together. Won’t be able to hear when playing back record enable on.
@@NoizeLondon No, that wasn't the issue. I could hear the playback when sending midi to new synth via usb to usb, but NOT to the old synth via usb interface to Midi in/out. I already resolved this by uninstalling and reinstalling my midi interface drivers. Darn social media time lags
Title seemed like you were going to record all of your patch voices in, so that you could store your synth sounds as a library...
..Looking for this myself, so that synth can go into storage.
So do you just have one midi cable running from the synth's MIDI OUT to the interface MIDI IN? Or do you also have one connected from the interface's MIDI OUT to the synth MIDI IN for when you send the recorded midi track out back out for things like testing various patches?
Both my friend.
@@NoizeLondon Thanks dude!
Does the korg minilogue need an instalation of some software to record audio of it on abletone?
Nice tutorial, how i do this ins studio one 5, i have a roland xp-80 and i want to record your internal song to midi file, becouse its easy to edit and fix some notes
Thank you so much for this video! I have been searching for how to do this forever and this showed me in less than 8 minutes!!!
Can I make a sound on the minilogue, record it on ableton and then use the push as a midi controller to play the melody? Would it sound as good? new to production and cant play a keyboard to looking to bypass learning it with the ease of push.
I can't get it to record onto the instrument track in logic. Does that mean I need to download the driver? In the inst menu it does not show the name of my synth, it doesn't show a MIDI destination drop-down at all, only MIDI channel. I can however hear the sounds from my synth playing in Logic and I can record them on an audio track but im getting some unpleasant noise when I do that.
Works a treat, many thanks
I can record and play a midi file via Korg Monologue in Logic. But when I create an audio channel, it will not record a sound no matter what. Any thoughts?
Ps: I could not install a driver because the driver is not working on M1.
I always get confused on whether I should get trs cables or ts cables to plug from my synth to my audio interface. Some videos say use a ts cable and yours says to use a trs cable could you please tell me which one is best? I’m so confused. :(
For for trs
@@NoizeLondon thank you so much for your reply! :)
It's better to use the mixer eq hardware for a better sound?
Because if I don't make eq before record the sound quality it's not better. And when I will mix the track I see it's very difficult to bring
A track with a good sound.
I think its a very valid point but then you also have to commit to your EQ choices which can be done in the box!
Hey, I got the Minilogue and the Logic Pro, but I'm not able to record MIDI, I can't even see the "MIDI destination" setting.
What is the driver you're talking about? Do I have to install something?
I can see the MIDI sound going up and down as I'm playing the keys tho, but if I press record nothing happens.
exact same problem :/
@@ensisg3775 hey, I just made it. I had to install the driver of my MIDI interface, Roland UM-ONE
@@davidsabino7112 i will try
Muchas gracias crack!!!
First of all... Great work on the videos! Huge fan of yours! Quick question regarding the cables need from the Korg to the audio interface. I see on the Minilogue XD there is a L/Mono & R output... Do I need a dual cable from the Korg into a single into the audio interface (Scarlett 2i2) or a single to single will be fine, as long as I plug it in the R output? Thanks again for your help!
Thanks JP! Just did a little reading and it seems as though the output is stereo, which means that you want two of the same cable going into two inputs of your respective audio interface. Balance the input gain, and if you can record in stereo then do it :) Hope that's useful
@Noize London Thanks a lot for the help!
Ma man. We all needed this. Thanks.
Your welcome! Glad i could help.
See if this throws you for a loop....So Ive got Ableton Live 10 Intro which does not have the external instrument under instruments 2. My audio interface is the behringer UM2 and Im trying to connect my craftsynth 2.0 into ableton to record. When the craftsynth shows up in ableton it only lets me use it as anotherr controller. I cant get the audio from the synth through the audio interface. Any ideas without having to buy the usb\midi box thingy ? any info would be great thanks pal Ive watched god knows how many videos and Im at a loss.
Such a solid explanation! Very much needed! Thanks mate!
i have a yamaha CS6X and a Access Virus KB they dont have USB slots. also how tf do i hook up the old 80s and 90s synths. tbh i dont really use the new stuf cuz its just not for me
this is great info! -- i'm a dinosaur and have been using hardware exclusively forever. Looking to make the jump to a DAW, but maintain the spontaneity of live instruments. I'll probably start out just by syncing from the master clock in the DAW to my instruments, record that live, and then do some post editing in the DAW. But knowing how to transfer the MIDI could come in use!
Heeeelp ! How can I choose midi external plugins in GarageBand ? Do I have to buy logic or Ableton ?
Thank you so much for this! Been looking for this for ages. But I do have a question, I’m using a moog sub sequent 37 and I want to Automate it. But when i go into Latch mode, nothing happens when Change the knobs on my moog. I can only make it work when i open the editor and automate it with my mouse.
That’s not where you automate from a synth. Try doing it on the piano roll section and find out which number CC (control change) your moog provides
Thanks for watching !
It doesn't work. What cables should i use except OUTPUT LR фтв USB?
Thank you for this tutorial. I have a RME fireface interface. You shortly touch upon saying: make sure your synth is not too high or too low in volume. Could you elaborate? what would the best gain setting be (max input/dbfs) for the signal coming in to the DAW?
Try and hit a max of -6db
@@NoizeLondon Thanks! and if my synth input in the audio interface is lower than -6db (despite max vol on synth) and I want to add gain, where best to do that? on the interface itself? or with a gain plugin in DAW?
Exactly !
Try your synth first at max volume then adjust gain on interface
Does anyone know how to write or copy a melody you have previously used with a vet in a trac for example then re write/record it with the synth and be able to record the automation as well? I can get the midi notes playing through the synth but then I can't figure out how to record the cut off for example, I can only seem to record automation while playing the synth live and doing it as per this video, any help appreciated, Thanks
bro you a legend. thx for this video !!!!!!!!!!! :D
Did all that and my synth sounds crackly when recording and on playback. Kind of making the whole thing useless for recording. Spent 4 hours yesterday trying to get rid of the crackle. Got a Roland JD Xi, and plugged it in with the USB it comes with and installed the audio drivers. Then tried it through the interface with jack cables, still crackle when recording. Sounds fine when just monitoring before recording. So I don't know what's going on. Would be pulling my hair out if I weren't bald.
Thanks man!! I have a question that I'm having trouble finding the answer to so hopefully you can help. If I want to connect my Korg Drum to ableton through my interface, what can I do if the line in channels are already in use? I have a Steinberg UR22 Mk2 which I have connected to my laptop via usb. In the interface I have my speakers going in through the 2 line outputs so does this mean I can't connect the Volca? I can use the midi cable but from what I understand, I need those 2 line outputs also for the Volca. How can I get this to work? Do I need an ausio splitter or something? Thanks!!!!!
There should be inputs for the Korg drum. The outputs are for the speakers only
Thanks a lot man for making this vid! 🙏
Awesome video !
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this is so frustrating. I click on external instruments in ableton an all I get is "Drum rack, impulse, instrument rack, simpler". I press a key on my synth and I see the bar rising to the pulse of synth sound so I know it is connected and registering the sound but it cannot seem to record in ableton or in reaper..
I'm having the same issue, I think it might be that we're using ableton live lite rather than suite or some other version but I can't find out how to do this with my current version either
I've been trying to figure out how to save the sound I was playing forever! Ffs..."hit record and record it back as an audio clip" how the ** ** was anyone supposed to know this?? Haven't even figured out a good way to search for help. Thanks so much for this!!!!
Read the manual fam.
As its only one cable, will the signal be mono?
Yes
Hey great video, I have a monolog and scarlett 18i8. My question is do i connect both midi cables and an audio cable, or will one or the other be ok? I'm recording into ableton. Cheers for you're help man.
You need both
@@NoizeLondon thnx man ur a star. I've only just got it I'm a guitarist primarily. Can I plug a guitar into it and can I also run it through my pedal board as i have loopers, modulation effects and distortions? Once again thankyou for you're quick response and help.
Yep
Thanks for the tutorial. Easy to follow and I've successfully set up my first midi track in Logic, let's call this Audio1 and Inst 1.
However, if I now set up a 2nd midi track, let's call this Audio 2 and Inst 2 I have an issue where the 1st midi track data (Inst 1) is being played instead of the 2nd (Inst 2). I have tried assigning midi track 1 to channel 1 and midi track 2 to channel 2 but the has not worked. FYI at this point I have not recorded any audio on tracks Audio 1 or 2. Any ideas?
No problem :) what about the midi channel on synth itself?
As simple as that! Thanks again
@@davedaveydavid1 I have this concern too. Can you elaborate how you fixed it?
Can this work for ableton live lite also? I can’t find the external instruments option.
Audioz.download thank me later. Search for Ableton live.
I'm wondering the same thing
Ive got Fx unit - kaoss pad 2 and tried to plug it in on 100 diffrent options and use as FX unit. Still cant plug it in to my sound card :( I need samples to go through KP and then record it back to another channel.. can you think of an option to do it? Thanks, great content!
Come out of the interfaces outputs and then back into the inputs. You'll need to set that up in your DAW accordingly. Thanks bud :)
can the automation from the external synth be recorded into ableton? or does it always have to be done live?
find out which CC is controlling which parameter (control change). Automate live, then use the automation option in the midi window to change.
bless u mate, how didn't i think of installing a fucking driver
my mininova and logic pro x dont seem to get along its not picking up anything from the synth -.__-.
Once again, a brilliant video. Thanks very much! Now my Minilogue XD is all hooked up.
Nice! :)
Help!! How do you do multiple Inst and Audio tracks? Every time I try and change the program on my Korg Minilouge to record a different track, all the Inst tracks change to that program. Thanks
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!
hey man on ableton i'm getting the signal as audio but then when I add external instrument and click configure my monologue is still not appearing do you know how to sort that? Thanks
Just gotta follow these steps bud can’t help any further than that
I have a tr8s hooked up to logic with usb, all set to the correct inputs to record straight into logic in individual audio channels, I’m looking at buying rolands new mc707 and how would I connect to two to record a live performance at the same time? Two usb cables??
Yep or midi cable and set slave/master routing
Thank you for the tutorial. I might require a bit more help with my Yamaha cs reface to work with ableton. I get as far as connections config, but then struggle to record from midi to audio. Any further help would be much appreciated thank you so much :)
Hmmm these steps are pretty much it... I made sure not to miss anything
Thanks for the great video! I have a problem when recording sequences from my hardware synth. I programme a sequence and it misses out notes, produces weird note etc... do you have a solution for this? cheers
Did you ever find a solution this problem? I'm having the same thing on my new minilogue xd
@@nickkarach76 nope! sorry mate, I just record it as an audio input rather than a software instrument in daw and it works.
@@benjamincrank1239 Thanks for the reply man! Yup looks like I'll be doing the same
i just got a minilogue xd and this saved my life thx man
I also have the xd. I dunno why it's so confusing.
HI hi hi hiiiii!im using a minilogue as well,i have it all hooked up but i struggle with figuring out why the filter keeps resetting to the original cutoff level which i recorded the loop on.say i have a 4 loops and i consolidate them and move around a few notes,and want to gradually increase the filter.....the damn thing will keep lowering the filter to what it was or alternatively rising to its original level as soon as the loop plays from start point?????please haaaaaeeeeelp meeee!
Can't help you if i don't know what DAW you're using ;)
@@NoizeLondon hey, my bad it's Ableton. Thanks for replying
Hmmm, might be because the internal sequencer is retriggering?
Could you possibly explain how to do this in FL studio? thanks!
What I have experienced in Cubase 5 is that midi events are slightly ahead of the bar marks after recording.
Trs better than ts to get better stereo recording?
So everything went fine up until I recorded a small section into the EI stem and got no audio back from the original audio stem... :(
My midi controller's files are via an android app. Is there a similar setup for using those files in a DAW?
no idea
@@NoizeLondon Appreciate the reply. Thanks.
Video starts at 1:25
Thank you so much!
Thank you so much, I do appreaciate this. I have this problem: I was able to record a first track of midi and audio in Logic, however when I want to record a second Midi and Audio track the first Midi track sends messages to that second Midi Audio track, how can I avoid this ?
I'm also having this problem, did you find a solution?
I’m having that problem.. what am I missing???
so can you connect both the audio interface and the synth using usb cables to the computer??
Yes
I watch the video but I don’t understand how to connect my behringer poly D
hello! Im trying to record my volca sample with an audio box interface, but I dont have a pair of monitor yet, so Im only using a headphone..What should I do?
doesn't matter if you don't have monitors, all the instructions to record a synth are in the video buddy :)