The fastest pass was made in auto mode for the hellcat and you saw what happened this is because people shift them with the paddles when the left paddle will get you to the proper gear then let the trans do the work put suspension in street and leave a little traction on so you can mat it and have the computer so the work. The second run was short shifted manual at 4K probably because of spin which is why a tire is a must for this car even stock. A tire and the bmw would lose all day.
@@hassantalib3426 bruh this is supposed to simulate if you met a random person on the streets. Who tf drives around on slicks. Sto complaining, I love the hellcat but it’s for the drag strip. Only then do you see it’s potential.
People gonna start putting respect on them M3’s.. and the new G80 M3 is even more monstrous! It’s definitely underpowered than bmw is admitting on paper! They’re not called the ultimate driving machine for nothing fellas
@@DL101ca Dude i know lmaooo. My 2011 335i lci will do for now😭 I will get me a g80 though hopefully within the next 3-4 years with orange or blue interior. They’re interior color options are goated!
Yeah all of them are like that. Americans only know how to stuff a mad powerful engine in a car but don’t know how to put that power down so it’s all just impressive on paper at the end of the day. Leave it to the Germans to get more power and efficiency out of smaller displacement engines. Superior in every way
If you put it in manual mode (and do a few other things) you could have used launch control in the M3, probably would have given it an even more convincing win
Classic battle. Waiting for all the comments about traction. Either way, with just a GTS tune, that's impressive. DPs and Stage 2 and you know how this goes. Bye bye kitty. Pulley on the Hell Cat, and some real tires and it lights out...until the F80 throws some E in there and then you got a problem. From a M4 owner, this is a never ending battle. Me and my Hellcat bro go back and forth a few times on my channel and it's just how you want to make your power. Brute force or finesse. Also note that this is a Dodge 707 at the crank vs a BMW 480 at the wheels which is still probably a low ball. Good races.
Your M4 is a much better driver's car by a long shot over your friends cat! Really no comparison in driving dynamics, and just the overall feeling of the Ultimate driving machine!✌
@@germanengineering204 I agree 100%. 2 different animals that only really share speed figures. Occasionally. Not much else to compare. Can’t beat German engineering in the long run.
It's kinda funny WHY they down-rate HP... 1) Insurance is cheaper, if the mfr claims the car isn't so powerful. 2) The mfr avoids lawsuits from customers unhappy when their car falls short of the HP/TQ ratings. Give low numbers, and let them be pleasantly surprised when it surpasses them in testing 🙂
How can you not watch each of these races without a huge shit-eating grin on your face. Love this kinda stuff. Totally different cars appeal to totally different people but so so much fun to watch. Love those previous M3. Shout out Bobby Hellcat.
Did you miss the “stock for stock” part? The pinned comment literally says he took his slicks off and turned it down from 910hp to 710hp. Put that m3 on 315s give it 200hp and re-run if you want another fair race. Not to mention the bmw weighs 3800lbs at 490 hp and the challenger is 4400 at 710hp giving the challenger over 25% more hp per lb and it still lost🤦♂️
@bradleyadams5896 please reread the pinned there is no "stock for stock". Also the tires on the BMW are wider than stock. So if you're trying to make it a fair race then make it that way like he talked about at the 2 min mark.
@ 5:30 the Hellcat driver started the manual mode roll race at 2500 rpm and shifted at 4500 rpm. Unbelievable. He should be driving a 4 cylinder Camry. What a shame.
@@jonathan3889 I never said he didn't short shift, he short shifted cuz it was spin city but at the end of the day he's the one driving it and we're commenting
Love your videos a lot I know you wanted a refresh however I preferred last intros especially with stats displayed side by side for easier comparisons. Nevertheless still great content!!
Like I said BMW just does their tune right, many b58 400hp is beating 600-800hp cars, why is that, it's simple the way the power is being delivered, all through the entire rpm...no surprise this m3 gap the boat
Wait a sec, if the race at about the 6 minute mark was supposed to be in automatic mode, why was the Hellcat holding on to second so long and also showing "M2" and then M3, M4, etc in the display?
The Hellcat needs a driver mod. 1: Turn traction fully off. It kicks in and kills his performance watch the vid. Managing tire and wheel spin is less of a detriment. 2: Why is he short shifting 3: Let’s see a stock M3 try. I have owned both the F80 M3 stock and tuned and have owned the Hellcat. The driver is doing a disservice to that muscle car.
Young people, I guess American young people, don't know how to manual shift strategically. Just listening to that panic shifting on the Hellcat was embarassing.
@@Pia-ho9dm when u have skinny tires you can barely do shit and they just don’t engineer as good as other companies audi bmw Mercedes’ hell even GM and ford can put power better down than dodge
@@raylvr then they will learn to like electric ⚡️ or they will learn to like walking. The manufacturers are pushing electric now. The profits are too great for them to ignore it now. They have all fully committed to going electric and that is what they are going to sell in the future.
@@raylvr it isn’t more fun. My Tesla Model 3 Performance does 0-60 mph in 3.09 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 11.50 seconds straight from the factory. There is nothing more fun that beating other cars with hundreds of more horsepower. Plus there are no gears to change so rolling starts are instantaneous.
@@LearningFast that’s not fun broski. I wanna be able to hear a cars engine roar and do burnouts while hearing it. I also want to build the car. No offense. I don’t want to hear a tiny mouse scream from my car when I’m running the 1/4 mile.
Fun to watch as always. Each car has its own merits and flaws. I was a Mustang guy for a long time, but got a Charger Scatpack fairly recently. So much better on my back, even though it's slower...lol.
@@bjsaunders5170 Already done, I'm not a warranty kind of guy...still not as fast as my Whipplecharged 17 GT was.😅 If I want that much more power I'll have to just pay extra and get Hellcat or forge and supercharge this one. I don't race much anymore though.
@@jasongebhardt9194 Definitely enjoying it. Plenty of power and a great highway cruiser. Loud enough for me even with just the mids cut off without being too unfriendly for the neighbors...lol.
@@Kyle_gallegher any excuse from “put it on 315s” “driver sucks” “driver has never driven a cat” “short shifting” they can’t seem to realize the challenger weighed 4400lbs and had 710hp while the m3 weighed 3800lbs at 490hp giving the challenger over 25% more hp per lb edit - a lot better power to weight ratio and still lost. Doesn’t matter if you can’t get it to the ground.
Wow the m3 handled the bump in the road way better. Its clear that its a better designed car. The chalanger cant put the power down the car feels totaly disconected from the road. He hits a bump and the whole chassis bouncing all over the place The suspension is thrash. But that engine sound is like a miracle
sooo....in my opinion that 2nd roll race was not a fair race. The M3 gearbox was in regular Drive and in top gear, and needed to downshift. The hellcat was already in the proper gear and did not need to downshift, hence the massive gap between the two cars. All the other races were fair and it's clear the Hellcat is the faster car once it has traction.
MOPAR OR NOCAR….That BMW is overpriced and UNRELIABLE….then u add a tune on top thereby voiding ur warranty…good luck if anything ever happens to that engine…
I don’t think big man here knows the difference between comfort automatic and sport automatic mode because all that time the BMW spent kicking down would’ve resulted in smaller gap if the trans was in sport automatic
You're about you guys. But the hellcat driver clearly shifted too early a couple times. Also I know the vehicle launches way better than depicted here.
Hardly a fair contest, A 3 litre family sedan up against over 6 litres of American muscle in a 2 door sports coupe. Just proves how the Europeans are lightyears ahead !!!!
This is funny cause the m3 is not even tuned it just has the gts oem tune its not an actual aftermarket tune it would be nice to se a stage 2 with downpipes
If you were going to limit the hellcat to only *stock* should have at least done the widebody version for wider tires. Too much power with the narrow tires.
Now the hellcat is much heavier in weight so it will loose to the m3 because the m3. Is so light. But you can’t mess with dodge on rolls. Dodge the best.
Hellcat driver here! Great to see what these smaller German cars can really do with some extra juice! Very impressed, thanks again Sam.
Car normally runs a 940hp set up for racing. Car was tuned down to 710 for this comparison video.
Man, get a tire and re-race. Should be good
@@Mr.BobbyHellcat u made a good choice. Guarantee u would have did worst from a dig.
The fastest pass was made in auto mode for the hellcat and you saw what happened this is because people shift them with the paddles when the left paddle will get you to the proper gear then let the trans do the work put suspension in street and leave a little traction on so you can mat it and have the computer so the work. The second run was short shifted manual at 4K probably because of spin which is why a tire is a must for this car even stock. A tire and the bmw would lose all day.
@@Mr.BobbyHellcat this one guy I’m subbed to has a 392 and beats JB4 and down pipe f80 m3s where did you go wrong
The sound of a hellcat never gets old to me.
Sounds like a cheap whining b!tch 😂
Are we not gonna talk about how many air scents that hellcat had on their mirror
No we aren’t
@@jkli14 🤣🤣🤣
Prolly someone enjoying some skunk in the car once in a while..
the hellcat was fast af but the m3's power to weight ratio is superior, amazing race👌👌
Didn’t look superior in the roll lol
Negative - this is just someone who doesn’t know how to launch a hc - from a roll the HC would still destroy this thing
Can mod anything BMW was
This guy is a liar
@@akredeye1976 idk without a tire and a prepped surface there’s only so much you can do to launch that much HP
Proffesional should do all these races, lots of short shifting and late reactions.
So true.. bad video
Pathetic honestly. I don’t even wanna watch them
@@troygallipoli3638 right! I’m like what was this??
You missing the point of the channel
Trying to maintain traction bro,you should know that hellcats are terrible dig cars with the amount of wheel spin..he literally had no choice
Seems like the Hellcat needs new rear tires lol...he was slipping all over the place.
Maybe, but that old rough pavement is not good for traction.
Exactly!!!!....he needed drag radials and that would have made all the difference
I’m pretty sure every hellcat always needs new rear tires lmao
@@hassantalib3426 bruh this is supposed to simulate if you met a random person on the streets. Who tf drives around on slicks. Sto complaining, I love the hellcat but it’s for the drag strip. Only then do you see it’s potential.
Yeah that hellcat has a lot of torque
People gonna start putting respect on them M3’s.. and the new G80 M3 is even more monstrous! It’s definitely underpowered than bmw is admitting on paper! They’re not called the ultimate driving machine for nothing fellas
m3s are absolutely crazy
Yeah try paying service bills on one.😂
@@DL101ca Dude i know lmaooo. My 2011 335i lci will do for now😭 I will get me a g80 though hopefully within the next 3-4 years with orange or blue interior. They’re interior color options are goated!
@@DL101cawhy buy a car you can’t afford? It’s common sense. They’re German machines, not some cheap Toyota. Learn to work on it yourself
Dang this was a good race! Well done Sam! I do miss the side by side comparisons at the beginning though.
The tire spin and short shifts really killed any chance the Hellcat would have had from a dig to slow speeds. Crazy
Yeah all of them are like that. Americans only know how to stuff a mad powerful engine in a car but don’t know how to put that power down so it’s all just impressive on paper at the end of the day. Leave it to the Germans to get more power and efficiency out of smaller displacement engines. Superior in every way
@@mrcuboid I agree that it's easier to put down less power... not sure what else you are trying to say here.
@@mrcuboid except you're wrong. The 480 hp c8 for example......🤷♂️
@@mrcuboid Rigghhhtt! Viper ACR SPANKED your german cars on the track at a fraction of the price. C8 Zo6 will do the same Sauerkraut!
@@mrcuboid and you Germans don’t know how to make a engine last for 50k miles lmfao all that plastic on the bmw engine is melting rn
That M3 rwd?
This is a perfect example of why ET and trap speed mean more than dyno numbers
the hellcat will have a higher trap speed. ET means everything in a heads up drag race
If you put it in manual mode (and do a few other things) you could have used launch control in the M3, probably would have given it an even more convincing win
Congrats, 100k !!
Thank you
M3 said: "See you at the finish line, chubby kitty"
And then it didn't happen...
@@DL101ca looks like it did
Classic battle. Waiting for all the comments about traction. Either way, with just a GTS tune, that's impressive. DPs and Stage 2 and you know how this goes. Bye bye kitty. Pulley on the Hell Cat, and some real tires and it lights out...until the F80 throws some E in there and then you got a problem. From a M4 owner, this is a never ending battle. Me and my Hellcat bro go back and forth a few times on my channel and it's just how you want to make your power. Brute force or finesse. Also note that this is a Dodge 707 at the crank vs a BMW 480 at the wheels which is still probably a low ball. Good races.
Your M4 is a much better driver's car by a long shot over your friends cat! Really no comparison in driving dynamics, and just the overall feeling of the Ultimate driving machine!✌
@@germanengineering204 I agree 100%. 2 different animals that only really share speed figures. Occasionally. Not much else to compare. Can’t beat German engineering in the long run.
I just got a very clean 2018 M4 F82 S55 Twin turbo coupe. And it's good to know, with just a tune that I could be walking hell cats.
Gts tune?
So basically what I saw the hellcat was spinning. When it wasn't spinning it was winning but most of the time it was spinning so...
And we all no spinning isn’t winning
Maybe that’s what happens when a car is made to go fast with special conditions, tries to do a casual street race.
I would hope it wins. The m3 weighs 3800lbs and has 490hp the challenger weighs 4400lbs and has 707hp giving it 25% more hp/lb
Before I even watch the video. I'm gonna say that the BMW is probably making 60 more hp than advertised.
Make that 100+😂
It's kinda funny WHY they down-rate HP... 1) Insurance is cheaper, if the mfr claims the car isn't so powerful. 2) The mfr avoids lawsuits from customers unhappy when their car falls short of the HP/TQ ratings. Give low numbers, and let them be pleasantly surprised when it surpasses them in testing 🙂
If the M3 had the same HP it would take the hellcat to gabble bees😂
@@emilionewman9750 "Gapple bees"
How can you not watch each of these races without a huge shit-eating grin on your face. Love this kinda stuff. Totally different cars appeal to totally different people but so so much fun to watch. Love those previous M3. Shout out Bobby Hellcat.
What ever
I would like to see the new Acura integra vs the Honda Civic si
Ultimate Driving Machine
I raced a hellcat in my F80. Once that MOPAR steel is moving, its only a matter of time (3 -4 seconds) before that supercharger took over my space.
Can you start adding info about the tires being used please?
Did the m3 skip a gear at 3:50?
One of the coolest videos yet!
Dayum look at all those air fresheners in the chally 🤣
Lol
Bet, it smells like a cheep prostitute in that car.
Remove them and he’d be a bit faster 😆
@@msyourdaddy7434 fresher deletes are clutch
@@hasanfadhil6404 actually it smells like whiskey and cigarettes
With some 315s on that Hellcat, it would have won more of those.
Did you miss the “stock for stock” part? The pinned comment literally says he took his slicks off and turned it down from 910hp to 710hp. Put that m3 on 315s give it 200hp and re-run if you want another fair race. Not to mention the bmw weighs 3800lbs at 490 hp and the challenger is 4400 at 710hp giving the challenger over 25% more hp per lb and it still lost🤦♂️
@bradleyadams5896 please reread the pinned there is no "stock for stock". Also the tires on the BMW are wider than stock. So if you're trying to make it a fair race then make it that way like he talked about at the 2 min mark.
@ 5:30 the Hellcat driver started the manual mode roll race at 2500 rpm and shifted at 4500 rpm. Unbelievable. He should be driving a 4 cylinder Camry. What a shame.
Nah man, he was in second at 2500 and still spun which is why he short-shifted. First gear is pretty much a burnout
@@coolsahib nigga he short shifted a lot of times he shouldn't be driving these cars he need to stick with that Honda civic
@@jonathan3889 I never said he didn't short shift, he short shifted cuz it was spin city but at the end of the day he's the one driving it and we're commenting
It’s crazy how I was JUST wanting to see this comparison after watching RT’s lose the police on TH-cam every time lol
Love your videos a lot I know you wanted a refresh however I preferred last intros especially with stats displayed side by side for easier comparisons. Nevertheless still great content!!
Lawd, how many hrspwers do those air fresheners add in the hell cat ?
4:25 look at that big boat bounce 🤣🤣
Guy in the hellcat has never driven one before clearly 😂
don't be salty now, the hellcat was fast af but the m3's power to weight ratio is superior, now go sit down you are making noise.
Mopar fanboys are crying after seeing this.
@@ጽጽ he is right because if the driver knew his car he would not shift manually, it effects massively
@@ጽጽ you're literally spamming the exact same phrase over and over
ima mopar boi but knew it was gonna lose due to the bmw weight
Like I said BMW just does their tune right, many b58 400hp is beating 600-800hp cars, why is that, it's simple the way the power is being delivered, all through the entire rpm...no surprise this m3 gap the boat
I didnt gap it lol. The hellcat had shitty all season tires and spun. From a roll the hellcat walks away hard
Wait a sec, if the race at about the 6 minute mark was supposed to be in automatic mode, why was the Hellcat holding on to second so long and also showing "M2" and then M3, M4, etc in the display?
the m3 needs a simple stage 1 tune, then it would be a fairly Evan race, the gts tune isn't much over stock ...... from experience ,
Q50RS VS M340i next please?
The Hellcat needs a driver mod.
1: Turn traction fully off. It kicks in and kills his performance watch the vid. Managing tire and wheel spin is less of a detriment.
2: Why is he short shifting
3: Let’s see a stock M3 try.
I have owned both the F80 M3 stock and tuned and have owned the Hellcat. The driver is doing a disservice to that muscle car.
Sam get this guy on your channel 🤣
I will never understand the point of tuned vs stock comparisons
Wow, what this video really shows is how crap the Hellcat's suspension is compared to the M3's
Sam we need an E350 mercedes vs honda accord please !!!!
Imagine on a real racetrack, with turns.
The Hellcat looks like it is on bed springs at speed.
Is that dodge on butter?
You can prep the surface all you like. The H$llcat won’t hookup on street tires. You need stickier tires and the prep to get the RWD Dodge to hookup.
My GF keeps tellin me get a F80 M3 so just before I replace the 350R I just had to know it could beat a challenger.. and for this I thank you.
Can we see STOCK we dont want to see tuned
@4:22 Speedboat bobbing through the waves.
congrat. to 100k subscrb.
Good run, Beemer was impressive. Great new format legible and some pizzazz.
Young people, I guess American young people, don't know how to manual shift strategically. Just listening to that panic shifting on the Hellcat was embarassing.
Come down off your high horse there English Pete it’s only for fun no one’s competing at Le Mans here 😂😂
That was no race.. when one car keeps losing traction till 140 kph.
Bmw's putting yall in Reverse
How can that dodge not get the power down?
There are other cars with heaps of power that do not slide as much as that thing.
@@Pia-ho9dm when u have skinny tires you can barely do shit and they just don’t engineer as good as other companies audi bmw Mercedes’ hell even GM and ford can put power better down than dodge
2nd race buddy looking like I thought their was another car in the race🤣🤣
Why everytime he is manually shifting the cat. Smh and not shifting right at that.
Hell cat just spins it's tires everywhere, and can't put that much power down it's overkill with this much engine imo!
That’s ridiculous seeing how fast that gauge goes up lmao
Shifting is the BMW’s weakness and traction is the Dodge’s weakness. Electric AWD would fix both of those issues.
What if some people don’t want that though and like the cars the way they are n not electric?
@@raylvr then they will learn to like electric ⚡️ or they will learn to like walking. The manufacturers are pushing electric now. The profits are too great for them to ignore it now. They have all fully committed to going electric and that is what they are going to sell in the future.
@@LearningFast or they could keep their cars n not get electric. Just saying. I prefer gas over electric. It’s just way more fun.
@@raylvr it isn’t more fun. My Tesla Model 3 Performance does 0-60 mph in 3.09 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 11.50 seconds straight from the factory. There is nothing more fun that beating other cars with hundreds of more horsepower. Plus there are no gears to change so rolling starts are instantaneous.
@@LearningFast that’s not fun broski. I wanna be able to hear a cars engine roar and do burnouts while hearing it. I also want to build the car. No offense. I don’t want to hear a tiny mouse scream from my car when I’m running the 1/4 mile.
Beamer gang over any gang 🔥🔥🔥
That Hellcat is a monster. Catches up and passes M3 despite of having no traction at the start.
If hellcat is a monster, imagine the demon ☠️
Challenger is being weighed down by all the air fresheners on the rear view!
Hell cat was absolutely struggling for traction
Are there any SLOW BMW'S?
Nope
You’re the man, Sam
That hell kitty sounds real good
He was ahead of you, so how did he get you??
Fun to watch as always. Each car has its own merits and flaws. I was a Mustang guy for a long time, but got a Charger Scatpack fairly recently. So much better on my back, even though it's slower...lol.
Look up diablo i3. Then contact jaygreene tune and get a hellcat tb and CAI and you'll be running them down. Prior scat owner here.
@@bjsaunders5170 Already done, I'm not a warranty kind of guy...still not as fast as my Whipplecharged 17 GT was.😅 If I want that much more power I'll have to just pay extra and get Hellcat or forge and supercharge this one. I don't race much anymore though.
@@kingspartacus2690 yeah that's true. Not much is topping a Whipple 5.0 lol though.
Gratz on the Scat-Pack! Its one of my favorites 🙂 Hope you enjoy it
@@jasongebhardt9194 Definitely enjoying it. Plenty of power and a great highway cruiser. Loud enough for me even with just the mids cut off without being too unfriendly for the neighbors...lol.
Before I watch. Dig M3. Roll hellcat.
So does the tuned M3 have the crank hub redone? 🤔🤷
20 little trees? Isn’t that car already heavy enough
But why is the BMW short shifting, before the first race ended I bet the car was like at 3,500rpms 🥴
There are so many different settings on the hellcat you can adjust. Tough race.
Same can be said with xdrive
@@Kyle_gallegher any excuse from “put it on 315s” “driver sucks” “driver has never driven a cat” “short shifting” they can’t seem to realize the challenger weighed 4400lbs and had 710hp while the m3 weighed 3800lbs at 490hp giving the challenger over 25% more hp per lb edit - a lot better power to weight ratio and still lost. Doesn’t matter if you can’t get it to the ground.
Wow the m3 handled the bump in the road way better. Its clear that its a better designed car. The chalanger cant put the power down the car feels totaly disconected from the road. He hits a bump and the whole chassis bouncing all over the place
The suspension is thrash. But that engine sound is like a miracle
sooo....in my opinion that 2nd roll race was not a fair race. The M3 gearbox was in regular Drive and in top gear, and needed to downshift. The hellcat was already in the proper gear and did not need to downshift, hence the massive gap between the two cars. All the other races were fair and it's clear the Hellcat is the faster car once it has traction.
Why don't you tune the hellcat then race, sorry apples and oranges
MOPAR OR NOCAR….That BMW is overpriced and UNRELIABLE….then u add a tune on top thereby voiding ur warranty…good luck if anything ever happens to that engine…
Hello my friend Sam, the previous intro song is way better, please bring it back
I don’t think big man here knows the difference between comfort automatic and sport automatic mode because all that time the BMW spent kicking down would’ve resulted in smaller gap if the trans was in sport automatic
Imagine if that M3 had the same horse power as the Hellcat.
Racing depends on the driver. This guy driving challenger doesn’t how to drive.
The guy in the BMW has an interesting accent. He reminds me of my son in law, only happy if he’s winning…
480hp vs over 700hp 😂 …he said fair race come on Sam
You're about you guys. But the hellcat driver clearly shifted too early a couple times. Also I know the vehicle launches way better than depicted here.
M3 too 💪
Just got smoked by an M3 in my Redeye. Was very impressed
If that hellcat gets on a nice tire that thing would but a nice length on the Beamer
Hardly a fair contest, A 3 litre family sedan up against over 6 litres of American muscle in a 2 door sports coupe. Just proves how the Europeans are lightyears ahead !!!!
I would love to see the mazda 3 turbo sedan vs the jetta GLI
GLI win easy
It seems to be the transmission from the Hell Cat getting in the way.
Spinning ain't winning! Good stuff tho.
M3 needs driver mod bro didn’t even launch the car and a lot of short shifting
Hellcats tires looked toast
This is funny cause the m3 is not even tuned it just has the gts oem tune its not an actual aftermarket tune it would be nice to se a stage 2 with downpipes
If you were going to limit the hellcat to only *stock* should have at least done the widebody version for wider tires. Too much power with the narrow tires.
The Hellcat can eat it alive, the Hellcat driver is doing the shifting while the BM is fully automatic
I feel like the M3 was short shifting but idk that’s just why I heard
How many air refreshenors does the hellcat need 😂 I think if he didn’t have so many weighing him down he would have had a chance😂
Now the hellcat is much heavier in weight so it will loose to the m3 because the m3. Is so light. But you can’t mess with dodge on rolls. Dodge the best.
imagine if the m3 made what the hellcat does stock to the wheels with the same weight difference good lord