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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- I, Typoh. Discuss the recent decline of The MCU. Mainly to do with its fall since the release of Phase 4. Including shows such as Hawkeye, Wandavision, Moon Knight, Ms Marvel, and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. As well as movies such as Shang Chi, Doctor Strange and The Multiverse of Madness, Spider-Man No Way Home and Thor Love and Thunder. And most of these suck, they're bad, algorithm please pick this up. Daredevil Season 4 is coming soon, Marvel has problems and it's all gonna come to a head one day.
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What's your thoughts on the video topic? Do you think the MCU has declined in quality recently or do you like/are optimistic of what they do next?
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I like how you said that "kinda suks alot: 😂
Just wait because the next film will feature new superpowers. Like manifesting electricitfied adult toys. The new villain will be beaten with hormone blockers making him cry like a girl and binge on chocolate
Complete Hater BS. Except Ms Marvel everything in Phase 4 was amazing, in special Wandavision, Doc Strange 2, Wandavision, SM3 and Wandavision! The D+ Shows were amazing , too, did I already meantion Wandavision? Tbh...Wandavision in my eyes is the best MCU Product OVERALL!
These people are doing the same in Movies now, what they did in the Comics since 7 decades. We are still in the beginning of Phase 4, still in the BUILD UP!
And it HAS a direction, the Cosmic stuff! Galactus!
THATS the Direction! And a Crossover, I think with Star Wars is more possible but with DC would be the Banger!
But you only know that when you are not a stupid hater who talks out of his ass without having any knowledge of the History of this Company!
Do you want the MCU to rush like the DCEU did?
The Aftercredit Scenes are telling all a similar Story, where the future of the MCU goes.
You Guys are mental, hating on them!
What they do here, DC would never get done. Damn they didnt get it done in 70 years, everytime their Universe had more plotholes than Cheddar they made a Crisis event and rebooted.
Marvel ONLY had soft reboots!
That means if you buy a Fantastic 4 Comic today, in July 2022...it is still the same story of the same Fantastic Four from the same Universe like in june 1961
(btw...thats where the Name 616 originates...another thing you didn`t know I bet. 61.6...Release of FF #1, birthday of Marvel Comics) .
7:55 Here. THAT is 100% untrue!
Damn man your whole criticism on Wandavision is a big bunch of nonsense, how ridiculous!
They feel like adds because 2 minutes of 180 are advertising for the next project? WTF is wrong with you?
It breaks all streaming records , won several Emmies and Olsen is now one of the highest paid actresses ever because of that show, but sure, Typoh the Hater from You Tube with 10k subs knows better...
Delete your garbage channel dude...
11:50 yeah. proof you know nothing. "As far as I know thats all"...
yeah....
except
-Black Knight
-Starfox
-Hercules
-Venom/SM announcement
Secret Wars Announcement
X-Men announcement
FF announcement
You wanna know what I really do not understand?
You celebrate Phase 1-3 for their slow build up and now critizize Phase 4 for the exact same thing! You undertsand that the final they are working towards is the last Movie of Phase 6, yes?
13:55 BUT here is the key to it all!
It is exhausting for you...
Then how, instead of hating , you just go and watch one of the BILLIONS of not connected Movies out there instead of hating on the Guys, that do the connected Universe stuff better than everyone else!
How RIDICULOUS!
And btw: Star Wars HAS TWO connected Universe. Legends and Canon. And in both there are NEARLY (!!!) no plotholes, when you compare it to all other Universes.
PLUS: ALL Star Wars Media can be sortet into one of this two Universes: Movies. Television, Animated, Comics, Videogames, Books!
Dude you are just too stupid to follow stuff, your attention span is non existent and then you need to hate on stuff you know nothing about to get a shoulder clap from the rednecks of your bubble here on YT!
Ridiculous dude, so ridiculous. Bad thing is...
channels like yours are spreading like shidd..
14:50 and sure, you have to bring up the old dwarf that had his last good Movie in the 80s^^ Scorcese should do the world a favor and dissapear...His Movies are way overrated btw!
Its really funny how you use the scenes from "The Batman" as example for good Movies when "The Batman" is by far the worst Batman- and at the same time worst Superhero Movie of all Time.
If you would have tell me that one Day BATMAN out of all characters would do it and dethrone Fantastic Four 2015, i would have have brought you to a doctor!
Damn that Movie sucked really really bad...
16:40 And again, the dwarf is wrong!
It is something Marvel Fans waited for for 50 f ing Years! And that are MANY people, that Guys like you think are not important! He is just WRONG in absolutely everything, exactly like you!
20:20 But you do!
22:10 THAT is exactly what they ARE doing, even if Guys like you deny it!
Damn you made me a Marvel Fanboy with this garbage. I am not! I am a Nerd and watch ALL of these. NOTHING exhausting! So..how about you stop hating on stuff , just because your mind isn`t capable of following it?
No it is not something special, it is not complicated.
When YOU cant follow the MCU, despite it being so easy to find out, it is a sign for YOU having a short attention span and are not capable of seing the bigger picture. i mean you proof that more than once in this Video, too!
Today you found someone that for sure will NEVER subscribe to your Channel!
Your Vid was recommended to me, now I ban you, goodye forever!
@@DarylMCDeath You haven't even given a good argument in any of that
@@DarylMCDeath And the batman is a lot better than anything in the MCU...you're an absolute moron
Phase 4 literally feels like side quests after completing the main story.
Or you could say it’s like the post endgame content after completing the main story
Lol fr its like doing taxi missions in gta sa after you basically own the entire state.
yep. there's nothing very interesting left to be invested in.
@@felmargego2534 Well that’s not true. There is plenty to be interested in, it’s just not interesting yet without connection to the characters.
Basically yea
It was crazy being a kid and watching avengers at the movies not even realising that they would all come together
I remember telling my brother that this was all fake and that nothing like this had ever happened before so don’t get his hopes up 😂
Boy was I wrong. But we just started elementary school so we didn’t know better.
Lego marvel superheros was the biggest crossever as a kid, bro those times were crazy.
let's see how MCU protray iconic characters like the Fantastic 4, The X-Men, Doctor Doom, Silver Surfer and Galactus
@@glennashia1421 they will all be gay.. anti American.. leftist and against masculinity.. and if they are masculine they will be retarded.
I think thats what their doing now
I really wish Marvel made movies like Logan now... we don't need this giant end of the world theme, it's boring, just give us some smaller nice story with super power elements that has beginning and end.
Similar in gaming, we don't need all games to be 200+ hour open games, just give us original and fun game like Stray and that is more then enough
I think the same thing, a lot of the audience of marvel is older now, when I watched Iron man I was about 9 or 10, but now I'm 19 and I prefer to watch the boys or invincible simply because the stories are far more mature
Sorry but it’s just gonna get even worse.
Thor went from The *GOD* of Thunder that destroyed Thanos army in Wakanda, went toe to toe with Hulk and Thanos, beat obesity, and overcame the trauma of losing his family and home…
…to explaining to Stormbreaker not to get jealous of Mjolnir.
@Yuri Nmahass my english is not the best and my first language is spanish lol, I guess I know what you mean, I was simple mentioning what I watched back then and what I watch now
That is what I loved about Netflix shows (except Iron-fist), they were more mature and also their stories were not these world enders. And Jessica Jones had the best villain in all MCU in my opinion. Kilgrave with his huge power just did little stuff to make his life better, not some kind of OH I AM BAD SO I MUST HAVE HUGE BAD PLAN.
That's the tv shows I think
I think the big problem, as much as there being no clear plot focus, is that there’s no clear character focus. Each project in Phase 4 is about a different character, and while that sounds exciting it gets exhausting and impersonal quickly. Compare that to Cap, Tony, and Thor each receiving their own trilogy and being the focus of the Avengers movies. There’s no main plot to be engaged in, and no main character to care about.
The even bigger problem is the complete lack of drip you have
At the moment it’s either doctor strange or Wanda Maximoff but other than that, there’s nothing. DC is gonna surpass marvel
It’s all leading to Secret wars. You wan’t Doctor Doom ,,fine I’ll do it myself” in hawkeye or what?
@@aeconrad_ Dc never gonna surpass marvel lol
@@aeconrad_ I don't really know about that. None of their actors are doing so well.
The lack of direction has really killed my interest in the MCU. That and the oversaturation of content. Too many miniseries.
Even as a fan, it’s hard to keep up with all the series. That’s why I liked the movies. They were digestible.
Gots to get that subscription revenues.
no lack in the direction. But oversaturation? not objectively. If you need to take your time, by all means go ahead. Disney will pull back when viewership tanks beyond belief.
The Direction is the same as Phase One. They are introducing new characters and expanding on old ones to ultimately lead u to something bigger. Just be patient.
@@KidKomical No it's not, they're going way to fast. They've released as much content as phase 3. And it doesn't help when most of said content is shit. The only good things from phase 4 imo are Shang chi and dr strange 2, and even then those two are a hard maybe.
What's really annoying me about Phase 4 is that they've massively ramped up the number of projects they've shoved out whilst placing more emphasis on the continuity as homework.
Exactly! Like, I don't have the time to watch all the shows - I hardly watch TV shows at all, actually, but now every time I go to I movie I have to look up whatever I might have missed in between. (I'm really glad I watched a WandaVision summary video before going to MoM)
@@KateCat420 watching Wandavision actually makes multiverse of madness worse. I saw all of Wandavision and watched multiverse of madness completely confused wondering why they made Wanda go dark OFF SCREEN. But this isn't even close to the real problems of phase 4.
Ironically, the Iron Man suit in 2008 looks better than modern standards and especially Disney standards. I remember hearing I think Jon faverau I beleive it was talk about how they weren't confident if they could pull off the first Iron Man movie but then 2007 Transformers came out and the CGI and effects were (and honestly still are) impressive enough to sell the idea to Marvel.
I think it’s because the suit in Iron Man looks completely feasible and allows the viewers to believe it’s real. On the other side, the suit Tony uses in Infinity War is incredibly advanced, so it draws us out of its realism, making it seem fake.
@@kramergamer69 its also because iron man 1 had a actual suit
@@kramergamer69 nah the cgi mixed with the real armor in Iron Man 1 looks better because its animated in a way thats meant to emulate what an actual suit like that would look like. In Infinity War its meant to emulate and look like something that doesn’t and CAN’T exist. So yeah, i dont know .
@@TheDamnWinner cant exist can you see the future no you cant sya you cant sya it cant exist
He was giving critiques on what he thought was a render...but turned out the be photo of the practical mk2 suit. John knew at that point that the cgi was indistinguishable.
The MCU's most serious problems , in my opinion, are these:
1. Oversaturation-
Now , granted, this is partially not Marvel's fault. There are just so many movies at this point that it was inevitable for it to become impossible to micromanage
2. Fatigue-
Its no secret that Infinity War and Endgame was, for a lot of people, the "end" of the MCU
And people were alredy tired of having to watch so many movies just to catch up on what was happening in this interconnected universe
Its made even worsr now with Marvel itself not knowing what to do with the premise of the multiverse
But by continuing to release multiple movies a year and throwing in half a dozen shows at this point, they're just digging their own grave
The only thing is I don't think any of these things would be a problem if they actually just gave us good products. The writing in a lot of these things is just tragic and the characters are all the same now
@@kevinschili9852 The disney+ shows are frustratingly disappointing. The TV show format could've lead to deeper stories and more experimentation. But like the video says, all surface level stuff. They all had great ideas and potential, but for some reason they want to keep sprinting to the big CGI fight with some whack af villain.
and FORCING diversity .... especially woke trash like Ms Marvel 🤡
@@willistan3562 Exactly and it doesn’t make sense why it feels like they keep having to rush because 6 hours is plenty of time to give us good character and story it just seems like they don’t know how to write television tbh
They are not digging anything, they are introducing new characters. 2008-2012 was an experiment with a handful of films. Now it’s a fully fledged roster of Marvel comics properties that they can use and make loads of stories. Some of them are going to lack something, but Feige learns from his mistakes
The best thing they did in Phase 4 was the What...If? episode with Strange Supreme. They decided to tell a freaking awesome story about him destroying his entire universe. They just went there. Too bad it's stuck in a 30 minute episode of an obscure Marvel title that most people haven't seen nor likely ever will.
what if is truly great more people should watch it prolly my favorite phase 4 thing
What If was a mess but Strange Supreme told a better story than Multiverse of Madnese.
@@edz5765 its not a good show, but that episode with strange supreme was still a better idea than the plot of MoM
@@SKULLKR3W What If…? Sucks. I’m planning to work on a video about how much I dislike it and how it can be improved. In other words, it’s a rewrite.
I didn’t really like the Doctor Strange Episode in the What If…? Series as others pointed out. It’s not the 30 minutes I have an issue with, it’s the fact the episode just doesn’t affect me as Infinity War or Endgame. This is probably because the episode’s about Strange Supreme’s relationship with his universe’s version of Christine, I didn’t care for the main Christine in any of the Doctor Strange movies… I just thought she was bland and uninteresting as Strange himself. To quote Bucky from the episode after Strange Supreme’s episode, “I should be sad… but I’m not”.
The biggest issue with Phase 4 is too much content. The never-ending spam of Disney Plus shows hurts people's investment in the movies. They don't get enough breathing room. Marvel is just pumping out content nonstop which is nauseating.
@@adctw3422 yeah but when it’s not good in story, characters, and plot it dose not make it fun.
@@jaredlewis3001 Yeah but you're talking about the MCU being all over the places, well you do know the comics always were all over the place rightfully so, because they were just a bunch of blueprints and they didn't even thought about the Marvel having a cinematic universe, so they were just writing what came to mind regardless if it was plotholes or didn't always make sense. Its okay for Marvel to take us on this exploration before they give us direction again in Phase 5.
@@adctw3422 they are pumping out comics and content for money my friend. This much poor writing just screams Disney giving marvel rediculous time frames.
@@adctw3422 marvel comics is trash wtf is you talking about
@@hottdaddy69 fr wtf is this guy talking about marvel comics is goo they are in literally the same state as the movies
It seems like the MCU is becoming a setting rather than a story. Not always a bad thing, but it doesn't work aswell if everything is supposed to be connected and they're all the same "faction".
@@Shadow-gm9ct you mean endless cash grab for disney
@@Shadow-gm9ct yeah pretty much lol
@@Shadow-gm9ct I don't think many at Hollywood know what those last two words mean, and those that do react to it like vampires to the Sun.
@@Shadow-gm9ct I think the reason things feel like this currently is because we haven’t given enough time for these new open ended stories to merge with others and create a plot line.
The same could’ve been said at the beginning of Marvel when we had single character movies that didn’t necessarily advance the plot, at least from what we knew at the time.
It was only when we got Avengers movies that things started to string together like an actual story.
@@creaperreaper6676 yeah you're right, but to be fair, we know what they're doing now, and we expect these story lines to mean something or do something, or tie up to something. But they haven't. There hasn't been a single nod towards the next big bad, and IMHO, I'm not really digging the new marvel content (aside from Hawkeye and Moon Knight). It all just seems like the same movie. I wanna see some crime drama movies, or actual horror, or something other than a campy hero film. Marvel is getting abit stale now
I think what’s crazy is how Doctor Strange was supposed to come BEFORE Spider-Man No Way Home, but Covid screwed everything up. Narratively I think it makes sense for Doctor Strange to come first, and that’s why he knows so much about the multiverse in NWH. Also, it would make sense why Strange has a soft spot for Peter and the ending would be much more impactful when Peter willingly chooses for the love of his life to forget about him. (Compared to Strange who knows how hard it is to lose the love of your life). I wish they would just stick to their originally established schedules, and not have to move around these movies to keep their deadlines and release dates still made.
Then again, DR Strange 2 had an embarrassingly bad script and extreme lack of tone consistency. Spider-Man at least came out at a very great time, dr strange felt just “another mediocre marvel shit with 1-2 things good about”
Ps: yeah, NWH is a good movie, cry me a river
The main issue there was Marvel having to mendle with Sony, Marvel Studios delayed every movie they were doing, but Sony didn't want to deleay No Way Home and fit with Kevin Feige's plan.
@@danielz-v4083 why you’re treating thinking NWH is good as a controversial pic? Is common sense
@@heitorzincleiton5071 I’ve seen a lot of people try to act like it’s bad because it plays on nostalgia. Of course something can be good and play on nostalgia, but they don’t seem to know that.
@@blackmambo8702 it did rely on nostalgia, the plot was a let down and it’s crazy how stupid Tom Holland’s spiderman is I hope he doesn’t become the face of the future mcu
I agree with most of what you said. But it’s clear they have an “event” they want these things to end it at. Which is Secret Wars. The problem is the lead up itself. It feels so disjointed, cluttered, and uninteresting, it really makes you wonder if they truly had a plan for these future phases. Don’t feel like it. I’m not a fan of needless tv shows like Echo that are literally only being sold on characters we love being in it (DD and Kingpin). I never thought I’d feel fatigue with Marvel, but it’s just getting really tiresome to keep up with everything just because they want us to GET READY TO CONSUME NEXT PRODUCT, AND DON’T QUESTION ANYTHING.
Secret wars was not an event film. They've said so themselves.
It's a standalone film. Looking like a straight up comedy with the skrulls and Nick fury.
@@bobdylan1968 That’s Secret Invasion you’re talking about, which is a show. Not Secret Wars. Secret Wars is rumored to have 3 films. Not a standalone.
An Echo show is completely unnecessary in my opinion
They better get someone like the Russos to direct it
@@NoirNameless lmfao sure lol
My main gripe with phase 4 is that they introduce a cool concept/direction and before they can really push the creative limits of said concept/direction they reel back so hard that, in best case scenarios, it's replaced by a less cool concept/direction, or in worse cases it's completely undermined by the lack of confidence from the writers as they struggle to pull from what worked before in a way that really ruins the movie/show.
yes! i feel like this is especially an issue with all the new marvel shows, even as far back as wandavision. they always start with a neat idea/tone/theme that calls for more development but always end up falling into old ways causing it to all just end up underwhelming and leaving more to be desired. happens every time and still somehow leaves me unexpectedly disappointed after every new release :(
WandaVision started out as Grief Through TV and then fell so hard I gave up.
@@eatatjoes6751Fr. WandaVision’s first three episodes were legit some of the most unique shit the MCU had ever done, and the intrigue was at a high….until the 4th episode came around and everything was thrown out the window. Ep 8 was fine, but other than that the series fell off hard.
I think the biggest issue is actually just the incredible downfall of marvels writing quality. every movie and show since endgame has been so incredible unispired and bland, filled with plotholes and just bad character writing, that my interest in the future of the marvel universe has died completely. Its just to much quantity over quality
I completely disagree with this sentiment. Multiple examples of good writing in Phase 4 exist, with Peter Parker in NWH, Thor in L&T, and Wanda in WV and MOM
@@poptartthefourth7295 I'm sorry if you think those examples are good writing. Peter Parkers arc in NWH is just really superficial and is a retread from Homecoming, i haven't seen Thor yet but from what i've heard he's even barely a charachter and just a punchline, Wanda basically doesn't even have an arc since they cheaply turn her choice to go evil into it just being the corruption of the book instead of it being purely charachter based. This has been a trope within marvel for quite a while mind you where they don't know how to make a charachter turn really evil so they just use a mcguffin that turns them evil. Red skull with the superserum, Loki with the staff,... The problem now is just that they don't even try to make good movies anymore, they just make setups for the next ones, even NWH is basically only really good in the second act, the first is too slow paced and spins it's wheels, the third is just a basic drawn out fight sequence where all the baddies randomly decide to fight the good guys because reasons ? There's hardly any reason for them to do so. That movie just kinda coasted on the cameos but it wears off really thin after a 2nd watch.
I think the cgi dipped really badly too. Compare older mcu movies or even the first transformers to newer mcu and the dip in quality is insane
@@PSIGOD i don’t see the decline in quality, more so i see CGI getting better in Marvel movies. Are you referring to She-Hulk, a TV show that hasn’t even come out yet?
@@PSIGOD thats true, and also i think at this point its just overused. A few years ago, when cgi was new and exciting, it was amazing to see whats possible with these visual effects, for example avatar or guardians of the galaxy, the locations look phenomenal, but it wouldve been impossible to create that with practical effects. But especially in action sequences, its just boring at this point, because everything is just solved with cgi. Compare the action of the latest marvel movies to the mission impossible franchise or the batman. That is exciting action!
Tony was the MCU's main character.
His story of going from a selfish spoiled prick that pissed away his money and talent, to a determined hero who devoted his life to saving others and keeping them safe.
Peter was a continuation of Tony's story by sorta echoing it, teaching him to decide between his personal life or devoted himself fully to helping others.
Or killing everybody he knows and loves literally every single time he appears in a movie
@@Collect2Disconnect Ehh not really, there were attempts at killing them sure (mostly from the villains) but the only actual fatal death Peter has suffered is Aunt May’s. I tried recalling any other death from the other two movies and I don’t quite remember there being any. Tony was a different case, he’s the “end-all-be-all” of the MCU and his passing would’ve been *inevitable* one way or another.
Which is what ruins Peter's character. Though it doesn't help, out of all the pre-phase 4 heroes, Spiderman's movies were the worst handled. As bad as movies like Thor: Dark World, and Ant Man and the Wasp were, they at least helped develop the characters, improving them somewhat. But Peter in the MCU has always felt like part of Ironman. Not his own character.
MCU Spiderman's powers aren't his own, and aren't a result of Parkers only intellect or drive. He was given his spider suit instead of creating it himself, and Stark's 'nanotech' seems to do more for him in fights than anything else. He needed an origin TRILOGY and yet still feels like less of a character than any of the Guardians did in their first film, despite that being a team of heroes instead of just one. Then, despite making Stark 90% of his character, they decide to still kill off Aunt May instead of using Stark's sacrifice as the catalyst for his character progression. Made worse by the fact that Aunt May dying is 100% the result of his own stupidity. With the supposedly highly intelligent hero releasing dangerous prisoners back to his flat so he can cure them at his PORTABLE lab.
He just feels like Tony's lost sidekick. Spiderman's ego is never portrayed. His intelligence is only included in that 'geometry' scene which is just stupid. And he just feels like a very contrived and confused character. People still ate NWH up because "OMG look! Andrew and Tobey!" but MCU Spiderman just sucks. He does just echo Tony's character. But in a bland, unoriginal and watered down form. Miles Morales from Spiderverse feels more like Peter Parker than Peter Parker.
@@pagatryx5451 loved ones dying because of Peter In spiderman is a common theme what do you mean?
@@lorddj9910 I know. But I'm saying Stark should have been Peter's 'Uncle Jack' and should have been used as the primary cause of Peter's developing character over Far From Home and No Way Home. It feels like, considering his character is so dependent on Stark, the movies should have focused on Stark's death as the origin of transformation Peter's character needed.
It feels like they dropped the ball with Stark's death in Far From Home, and instead of trying to go back to that and doing it properly, they decided to just do it again with Aunt May. This time similarly feeling disappointing as Aunt May's death is directly related to Peter having less intelligence than people his own age, and being both of their faults (in more ways than one). In comparison to Stark's death, where he died saving the universe from an external threat, marking the end of a decade long movie series.
TLDR: Sure. Love ones dying is a major theme in Spiderman and it's not what I have problem with. However, these deaths usually mean something and leave a strong impact on Parker. However Stark and May's deaths were very poorly handled in the MCU and don't mark a turning point in Parkers character or worldview. They're just portrayed as mildly sad moments to make Parker do hero stuff.
It is really fascinating to hear someone so young’s perspective on the film and the MCU. It also interesting that Star Wars is not as big to the person as the MCU. Like I remember people literally camping outside of theaters for the Phantom Menace but that was four years before this person was born.
i grew up loving star wars as well but since disney has bought them out, it has the same effect as the mcu. disney knows you will see it so why even try
Well that’s what happens when Disney ruins Star Wars and has no idea what they’re doing with it. People tend to stop caring.
@@VulturePilot
Star Wars was never able to hold a universe. It was a good trilogy, everything that came after is widely considered bland or bad. The original creator made the prequel trilogy without any restrictions, and they still came out bad. Not everything is meant to be a universe, and Starwars definitely is not. They can't get passed using the same settings and characters 9 movies in, hell they've been creatively bankrupt since episode 4!
this youtuber is young, he missed out on all the prequel fiasco and the trashiest fandom ever.
Its a shame people of a certain age won't experience something like Star Wars when it was big during the 2000s. It was a lot of fun. I was wondering if maybe I'd changed and just gone off it as I've grown older... but I played Kotor for the first time recently and it brought back the same feeling! Disney just isn't able to work with it for whatever reason, and now we're seeing the consequences of them thinking the brand means they don't really have to try
The problem for me is even as standalone movies, phase 4 has mostly sucked. They are all by design still loosely connected but dont work on their own.
What was up with that DC movie they had with a cell cameo?
The movies that stand on their own the best are the ones that introduce characters, Black Widow and Shang Chi. Their universe connections were largely just background and deep-dive reference stuff. Narratively they were independent. They weren't liked because they didn't have strong enough connections to other MCU properties. You can't have it both ways. Most of the Disney+ Shows are astoundingly good. Love and Thunder is one of the better Marvel Films in composition and execution. You can totally not enjoy those. But what you're not enjoying is the MCU at that point.
@@michaelwolf8690 sir ma'am or anything in between but with all due respect....are you high?
the only good movies that have come out since endgame are no way home, and multiverse of madness. As far as tv shows go, I thought wandavision was okay enough, although the first 3 episodes were boring, and Loki was actually genuinely good. Other than that it's been very mid, and I'm not very excited for anything else other than like a couple characters I want to see again
@@TheScarletSlayer lmaooooo
No Way Home is the only MCU movie I enjoyed since Endgame
too many plothole or stupid reason they just got helped with nostalgia thing
@@andien6115 true but damn near every movie has plotholes if you look into it hard enough. And those plotholes aren’t nearly as bad as the ones in Doctor strange and Thor love and thunder. NWH had a lot of redeeming qualities.
@@Serpent947 on NWH so many way to make his popularity back, if on ms marvel people know how captain marvel fight against thanos they should know how spiderman fight too and no mysterio there. and when dr octopus is on bridge where the hell is war machine, hawkeye, and others.
I thought it was good, just… not great.
Than stop watching mcu, you trash can
I really love Marvel but man after Endgame it just fell like "ok, this is over now". I'll still keep watching movies here and there but man I do not have the energy to watch every movie and series they launch anymore
Well after endgame theres far from home and no way home, but adide from that marvel is kinda eh.
true, I remember I was so excited for endgame but after that I don't even bother watching any trailers even. I just watch the new marvel movies when they are available online just for the sake of watching them.
I think if Marvel had shown more repercussions of The Snap and The Return, would make a very interesting concept.
Yeah, the little hint of that in FATWS was really interesting, wish they delved further into that, either in the same show or in something else.
@@onelusciouslad7841 FATWAS?
@@theoneandonly590 Falcon And The Winter Soldier
Well, Eternals kind of showed bc it. By the reappearance of the peoples the population sky rocketed causing the birth of the baby eternal in the earth. I could be wrong though
@@reenoschannel515 No, you could be onto something here. Alright, five years may have passed, but I don't think the enthusiasm to repopulate was dimmed. Babies would've been born in those years but I don't think you'll get a billion more people in five years.
It’s incredibly frustrating on how they use “bigger and better” as an excuse for bad CGI. I in no way blame the CGI artists (after hearing the work environment) but Marvel has got rid of using practical effects almost entirely. Suits that can absolutely be made in real life are fully CGI, Eternals for example which was great still (suits not the movie), but they can take the money they put into that and put it in places we actually will watch. Black Panther has such an ugly final battle that it’s just enough to knock it out of my top 10 MCU projects. It’s really difficult to try and defend this phase anymore after everything so far, mediocre stories with mediocre CGI. I never cared much for perfect cgi but when it’s so noticeably inconsistent it affects how I feel about the movie.
I loved some stuff from this phase, but with no direction and no guideline for the future I have little hope in what Marvel is doing. They earned my trust but they lost a lot of it this phase. If by the end of next year I can’t see where this franchise is going I don’t know if I’m going to be so crazy for it. I also hate the implication of the D+ shows. They’re extremely inaccessible for everyone (I have it but it’s irritating for marvel fans without that luxury) and it’s it feels like homework more than fun content now.
Black widow's last fight scene and the floating head kid in love and thunder was probably one of the worst CGIs I've seen in cinemas.
@@nobodyelse5804 agreed. So infuriating
I genuinely wish Marvel would make an attempt to mix practical effects with CGI. I mean, Iron Man 1 CGI looks amazing because they mixed practical effects and CGI. You could call most current Marvel movies animated movies because of how much CGI is used.
@@projectphantom3135 imagine if tom cruise was in charge of the stunts/practical effects
They are setting up a lot, I think you're missing the direction. It isn't cohesive but loki ties in with doctor strang mvm and spiderman nwh. They're sll going to lead to the timeline war.
You're so right on things needing to be small scale. Recently, I've been so bored and sick of every film coming out being world/universe ending stakes. If they made some stuff contained within a smaller scale story with stakes that dont mean the earth will die unless the hero stops it, they could probably reignite the MCU a bit more. I think thats why The Batman and The Joker movies were so good.
They don’t even have to have stakes, it could be a mental battle like joker
@@TheReeelBradPitt No dont compared DC movies with marvel instead ask for movies like Logan or Into the spider verse
I recently went back to rewatch old MCU movies and I find the first Captain America and Thor to be far better than majority of what MCU offers these days. They're not the best in their respective series but I find they had a lot of heart and can stand by themselves as a solid watch, with no burden of tie in with other series. I also think Thor 1 is better than Thor 4, Ragnarok being the best.
Thor flying through the bifrost was better then love and thunder
Thor 1 is pretty damn decent I recently had the same feeling when I rewatched Thor 1 and 2. I'd say that Thor 2 is by no means their best work, but it's a decent fantasy movie. I'd rather watch those 2 than ragnarok or love and thunder.
@@DolchOfHate id rather die then watch thor 2 tbh
Captain America is what got me into the MCU, I love that movie so much
@@powerfullpummel6417 no you don’t
Phase 4 has been a predictable cycle: movie gets announced, theories spread online about which character or comic reference will show up, movie comes out and disappoints, and it happens all over again
NWH was great and the shows have been impressive, but the constant unfulfilled hype and expectations alongside endless content is making everything tiring very quickly
That's not the executives and creators faults, thats the fans fault. The MCU executives can literally tell the fans x,y, and z isn't going to show up and the fans still going to hype it up as if they're going to show up. Fans just overhyping due to unrealistic expectations. We're just getting spoiled these days.
let's see how MCU protray iconic characters like the Fantastic 4, The X-Men, Doctor Doom, Silver Surfer and Galactus
Just saw you on the latest EFAP and you took crticism extremely well and maturely, definitely earned my respect!
The end of the Infinity Saga has really shown the weaknesses of comic books themselves too. There are really good “must read” comics if you enjoy the medium, and a lot of decent to lame supplemental material until the next big crossover event.
I hope Moonknight Season 2 focuses on Mark and Steven's conflict with Jake, not a "Woo this new god is around and we have to stop it" again with the side story of Jake, I loved most of the episodes and I felt this was going to be different, but Amit and Layla left me with a sore taste in my mouth upon rewatch.
I really want to see more of Jake Lockley
The shows only needs one more episode to be great. The finale was rushed and Layla with this god's power 🤦stealing light from Moon Knight where meanwhile two Kajiu were fighting in the background. Stupid. No gods fight, Layla with ak-47 killing soldiers would have been instead
@@FireJach Layla is meant to be a variation of the moon knight comic character the scarlet scarab
There wont be a season 2 sadly.
@@FireJach in no way did Layla steal the light from Marc and Steven 🤦🏽♂️ You incels cant accept a lead actress in a show with a male lead, even if there not phoned in (which she wasn’t in MK)
My biggest problem with the MCU is oversaturation. It used to be two or so movies a year, but now there’s a million new miniseries to catch up on. It was something special to see the upcoming movie trailers prior to 2020 because they were actually few and far between and we had the time to get excited!
Martin Scorsese’s infamous take on marvel movies has actually aged phenomenally well.
And it’s always been true, we’re just now realizing it
@@TheReeelBradPitt honestly the show invincible is way better than the much now
@@TheReeelBradPitt I think part of the reason people are now noticing it is because there's no direction. At LEAST people could cling on to the eventual "big climax" with all the Thanos build up, but... now what? You can't POSSIBLY build up to that again. It's impossible.
Lol even that vox video everyone hates back then about marvel kinda ages well now
@@chopperjoe1998 secret wars
Some projects surprised me pleasantly, but most of them disappointed. Seems to me Phase 4 has two main issues. Firstly, building on setups, connectivity and cameos while not maintaining continuity, and secondly, as with the late Game of Thrones, form over substance. Nothing saves bad writing. Let's face it, MCU is mostly cheap thrills, cheap jokes and cameos now.
let's see how MCU protray iconic characters like the Fantastic 4, The X-Men, Doctor Doom, Silver Surfer and Galactus
I'd like to see how you would write a heavily comic based movie that would originally be released in an issue of 10 or more and try to put it in a movie. Sure we are also getting more fanservice but that's because the fanbase on their own is becoming stupidly obsessed to get a certain character in that has no need to be in (movie). But then again the MCU is a universe on it's own with an inspiration taken from Earth 616 Comics
@@starmaster7784 I'm not mentioning comics in my comment, not sure why you are. I'm also not saying I'd make a better movie right on the spot. But given the money and means creators have access to, I'd start with studying the works I'm let's say directing a follow-up to.
the mcu has always had jokes, one comedy movie does not equate to most of the universe just being "jokes"
@@keiondarby9869 I feel the quantity of jokes gradually increasing at the cost of logic and good writing, that's why I listed them as ones of primary elements MCU movies consist of now.
The fact along that Disney is so risk-averse with anything that has previously pulled major profits means that anyone who might be able to bring something interesting to the MCU (i.e. Edgar Wright & Ant-Man) will be stopped at the gate, or worse: forced into the MCU's cookie-cutter pattern on how to do a MCU movie. The only things that will come close to bringing excitement (and I use that term lightly) will be the Fox acquisitions (FF/XMen) but they will probably start with the same shit that the previous introductions movies had.
guardians of the galaxy 1 & 2 will always be my favorite movies in the mcu. to me they’re the perfect mix of good story, compelling characters, amazing style and cinematography, comedic scenes that are actually funny, and lots of heart
Agree 100%. They're not only my favorite MCU movies, but my favorite Marvel movies in general. Especially Vol 2, which I feel not enough people talk about.
@@jamindavis970 vol. 2 is awesome! I would even go as far as to say that I probably like it more than 1. Super underrated
@@evangelionfan69 vol 2 would of been better if egos story thing was a little bit better I think
@@Dr.DisrespectFan918 Yeah I agree
2 is garbage it's literally one long green screen
The biggest issue is that there's no such thing as a marvel "film" anymore. It's all one big blender of meh theatrics trying to push the next episode of MCU shenanigans, the only difference is the name they put it under.
Doctor Strange MOM was not about Dr Strange at all, it was a horribly done sometimes visually appealing mishmash of irrelevant bs stuck under the same project to push the MCU plot along. He's a backseat guest in his own movie who mostly does nothing and gets slapped around as the plot happens in front of him. Very tragic as the first 2/3 of DS 1 was easily the best entry into the MCU until they fumbled it, and now we'll never get a proper Doctor Strange on screen again.
CAP. MOM was good. If you think MOM wasn’t good, there will never be a marvel film that you think actually is good.
@@longlivejah4608 mom was dogshit, if you think otherwise you're either a child of an MCU fanboy
@@longlivejah4608 It was shit, just like your preference in movies.
I LOVED the original Iron Man, Infinity War, No Way Home, Guardians, Thor, hell even the first Avengers. But in no way was MOM a “good” film. You had to watch at least three other forms of entertainment to even know what was going on AND the movie wasn’t even about what the damn title says. Dr. Strange did in fact take a backseat in HIS own movie. I wanted Dr. Strange 2. Not a Wanda/Endgame/No Way Home sequel.
@@SlayerOfTheDamned MOM really wasn’t that bad, and don’t be so pretentious in other peoples taste, I mean the guy literally said in the video that it’s subjective
Well thank fucking God for A24 for they have gave us the REAL MoM
*Everything Everywhere All At Once*
I think the main issue for me this phase is that most of the projects haven’t been well written, directed edited etc. If BW, MoM, T4 and most Disney plus shows were to have been better I think we’d all be singing a different tune here.
Yes it was essential after movies like winter soldier, infinity war & etc that marvel kept making quality projects. Marvel needs to stop pumping out content. Their projects are suffering from it. IMO for phase 4 Eternals is the best project visually. While for the most part Shang chi & NWH executed their stories well.
Exactly..they are poor , mimicry of the best.. amateur, and borish. ..there's really no excuse for this now.. but since we have writers/directors who mind blowingly take pride in NEVER reading any of the source material.. what is that!!?. Who are these for!?
I can't help but wonder if they brought in too many of the "heavy hitter" characters in the Infinity Saga. Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Widow are gone, Hulk is completely different now. I think part of the audience that went to see these movies grew attached to those major characters, and with their stories over in Endgame, a lot of casual watchers checked out. I personally like the new chars, but besides Thor, it's pretty much Spiderman and the B Team now lol.
It feels like they're just throwing things out there to see what sticks. Even the reveal of Ms. Marvel being a Mutant felt like they're just rushing into the whole Mutant aspect just to perk up the declining interest again, even though they don't even know when or how they're gonna introduce the Mutants as a whole yet.
But remember. A Madame Web and Kraven movie are ass ideas and Sony should give all the rights back to marvel so we can see none of those characters crossover with Harry stiles
ms marvel being a a mutant makes a lot of sense considering a theme throughout the entire show is that kamala didnt know who she was, and bruno struggled trying to figure out where her powers come from, not to mention that she was originally created to be a mutant
@@keiondarby9869 thank god she wasn’t a mutant or she’d be a footnote on their cult island right now instead of her own character practically divorced from even her Inhuman roots
I do agree with the Mutants part, they definitely just threw that out there and its really a plothole the way they're doing it. But other than that, Marvel definitely have these things planned, they literally announced the projects for Phase 5 and 6.
@@keiondarby9869 They only made her mutant because they fucked up the inhumans
Honestly with the recent failures and what has come out about how Marvel Studios treat the visual effects artist's the MCU is in hot water right now,If they are not careful things like the DCEU and even shows like Arcane and Stranger Thing's will be more talked about and loved and eventually the MCU will just fade away
Stranger Things and Arcane have already received more positive feedback than anything the MCU has recently put out.
@@SuperSteph5 ever*
The boys better than mcu shows
@@sn8816 Yes I 100 percent agree....Also it wasn't perfect but I do like the PeaceMaker show and most of DC's cartoon line-up
I love how in every critique video of marvel, someone always mentions the boys and/or invincible. Just goes to show that there are many good ways to write superhero movies/shows without having to rely on marvels way of doing them
Moon Knight's character study is like star wars with mandalorian. We were so starved of a good CS that common competency is like seeing the face of God. I understand that it is mid to some but to me it was graceful to what it did. And that's the focal point, back at like phase 1 they indulge us with this character what's their MO what was his life what is his outlooks and other thingy majigs and then the crossover hype comes after all those, (well back then we don't even really know they'd connect) that's how MK felt to me. Now I really wanna see MCU's take on midnight sons because Moon Knight was built good. Atleast to me.
Yeah I agree. I appreciate that Moon Knight has an introductory arc and marvel can flesh his story out naturally. It’s just unclear on how Moon Knight will integrate with the MCU since that’s what most people are hoping for.
the MK show was decent, but it feels the same as every other show imo, nothing really happens until the last episodes, and it felt too short for an actual arc for a character that was just introduced
Shitty Marvel Mr Robot.
you said “people aren’t talking about marvel movies anymore” and then you immediately said you feel obligated to watch so you don’t miss out on conversation 😵💫
He said "as much". Get a hearing aid.
Are you deaf?
He don't know what he is talking about, he sucks
Same! Watching Marvel movies was such a big thing for me when I was a kid, both good and bad.
The best was when my entire family and I went out to watch Endgame the night it released, seeing so many people just yelling and cheering was amazing. I even cheered a bit.
The worst one was when I wasn't in a very good state of mind at the time and all I could remember was how Civil War would be my last Marvel movie since I was for sure about to just end it, but people helped me improve and here I am!
Also, I feel like the old Marvel TV shows were perfect the way they were, stories that fleshed out the world but wasn't essential to the mainline MCU. Now, if I want to know what happens in the MCU, I have to watch the tv shows and that shit is boring. It's not an event, I'm just sitting down in my couch wearing pajamas.
Phase 4 feels exactly like phase 2. Lots of mediocre projects but lots of buildup and extra world building. Only thing is I think phase 5 will be more of that and we won’t get to see much wrap up until 6
Everyone remembers the highs but seems to forget the lows. Lots of the old movies are kinda just ok. For every Guardians there is Iron Man 2. And those movies didn't go anywhere either until the threads were visible at the end point.
@@xKalisto true, but all were going be getting is iron man 2's from now on but with more CGI.
Clown
@@crow_g1639 take your meds
@@crow_g1639 Marvel d-rider. Imagine.
I think Marvel is focusing on introducing multiple characters and explaining more about Marvel like explaining the multiverse, mutants, different Gods, eternals etc. Maybe leading to something great. But because there are a lot of topics and characters being introduced it feels like it's going nowhere and the audience are confused and they don't have enough time to connect with certain characters.
Actually they are focusing on replacing every male character with female.
I enjoyed moon knight for all the mind shattering and emotional junk.
Gotta be my favorite show on Disney plus that was MADE for Disney plus. Really wish they gave it more time to explore all those concepts more. They were all really cool.
Focusing on characters NO ONE asked for (Ms. Marvel, Kate Bishop, Captain Marvel, Shang Chi, The Eternals), delaying the arrival into the MCU of Marvel Comics 'royalty' like (Daredevil, Fantastic Four, X-Men), a Black Widow film that came years too late that overhauled the character into 'something else', adapting recent unpopular story lines (Jane Foster Thor), while skipping years of lore better suited to continue the momentum for the sake of ideology and this is where we're at.
Last great MCU film was 'Infinity War" (not counting 'No Way Home, which is part Sony).
Umm i like Shang Chi
@@bobbynewman9321 great, I'm sure a lot of people did. My post wasn't saying it was a 'bad' movie, it was to say in the long list of Marvel characters from its decades long history, Shang Chi wouldn't be on most of the lists of folks familiar with properties pre MCU to see 'bought to life' in the MCU, hence my 'nobody asked for' statement. He was a d lister at best, and not a property exciting enough to continue the momentum built by the Infinity Saga.
@@robotzvsfolks1559 ah i see
I mean Iron Man was kind of a c-lister compared to those of Superman, Batman, and Spider-man. Now, the character is iconic. I don't think introducing new characters are bad. The way they're doing it is the 'tricky' part.
@@daryltor7608 I partly agree: Iron Man was a B lister to comic book readers, a d lister to the general public in comparison to Batman, Superman, The Hulk and Spider-Man who transcend the comic medium. He's been perfectly fleshed out for years in the comics so the screen writers had plenty to work with.
this is a good explaination as to why i enjoyed moon knight so much: it didn't feel like a marvel show/movie at all! and it was great for that! if only marvel/disney didn't feel the need to stick to that six episode format, it could've expanded on its story and become even better than it already was (flaws and all)
I really don’t think their were all that many flaws. Unless you are purposefully looking for something to complain about, the CGI was good and for a lower budget series it performed pretty well in my opinion.
It wouldve been great to see a good old fashioned 22 epsiode format, we could've seen a more in depth look at the characters and setting and it would have given it a little more time to just breath. I'm not a fan of when a show feels like it's just constantly going without ever taking a moment to stop and take it all in
@@creaperreaper6676 there sure fucking were. It's a bad show. Lmao.
@@ZaLewdWarudo Okay so what was specifically bad about it? I want the specifics instead of “it’s a bad show”
@@creaperreaper6676 I'm not going to write an essay for some retard on YT, there's entire books worth of valid criticism on this show.
If you think I'm doing the leg work for you to learn them, when then you'll just brush them off like most people who consume product and don't ask questions, then you're mistaken.
I love the slip in of a song from the utopia soundtrack at 2:34
Loki and Shang-Chi gave me hope for Phase 4, and Eternals took that hope and completely destroyed it. And after watching Doctor Strange 2 and Thor: Love and Thunder, my lack of interest in Phase 4 has truly peaked, hell, I’m that uninterested that I didn’t even watch ms marvel, though, who did to be honest?
What about your fav shehulk show ?
@@crow_g1639 no
Shang chi was so good, can’t wait to see where his character goes
"I was 5 when this all started."
*me being in college during Thor 1* : "all those moments, will be lost, like, tears, in the rain."
Kevin keige at comic con: I’m about to end this man’s whole career
"You're witnessing the birth of something special that can never be replicated with the same resonance"
The MCU should've ended with Endgame. I think everyone knew in their heart of hearts that Disney/Marvel couldn't continue the MCU after Endgame with the same energy and sense of purpose. And Phase 4 surely looks just like that.
no it shoul nto have spidemrna no wya home wood not have happedn if that were thte case fnas lvoe that movie so no it should have and thor ator wanted to keep palynig him wya shodu be forc to quit cos your a hater let the ators do what they nat itthere lvies not yours
@@ssjgotenks2009how did you spell like everything wrong
The MCU shouldn’t have ended after endgame so many characters have so many stories left to tell, there so much comic book story lines to be adapted from. It would be stupid for marvel to stop making money & stop the franchise that gets them billions of dollars, but also many many fans would be extremely dissatisfied especially given the fact that Marvel comics never ended after a big crossover so why would the movies?
Yeah they mabye shouldve just put out mabye a new universe and it still wouldve been canon because time travel. Mabye shouldve focused on more discounted films from the main storyline like shang chi and moonknight
They should do less shows and focus more on movies, like they're doing too much and not very good job with all these shows, making less movies and shows with goods quality is better, doesn't matter if that means it will take more time, them doing so many projects in a short period really proved that quality is over quantity
For me I just feel as though there’s a balance to everything. The writers need to be able to balance the individual story and setting up future projects. The story should take more importance than future projects, as otherwise it feels like a commercial for something later on. Phase 1 and 2 worked due to the fact that the stories had a great balance between setting up the avengers and thanos while also developing characters. Wandavision got lost in the task of setting up future things that it forgot the main point of the show was to focus on Wanda. Loki was too busy creating Loki’s replacement and setting up the multiverse to give our Loki proper character development and an actual story. The writers need to balance world building and plot and that’s why MoM failed so hard for me. The plot is flimsy, and really just wants to build up future projects with cameos.
Agreed.
Although, I'm liking that both Moon Knight and Thor: Love and Thunder are focusing more on being their own stories instead of seeming like commercials.
They don't seem like something that need homework to enjoy.
You don't need to watch A, B and C to understand and enjoy D.
Agreed
Wandavision and Loki are good
Absolutely agree. And I actually liked Loki and Wandavision. But near the end of both of those shows, it's definitely felt like they were trying to speed things up and get this show out of the way, both of them, just so we can hurry up and get to the next films.
That is not how these properties should be treated. They definitely should have gave low key and wanted some more character development. Like in a season 2 or something like that. Don't just rush it to get straight to the next film. All this Russian made me feel like I'm missing so much extra context. Never mind some of these shows being made two plus years ago. So not everybody's got to remember every detail.
@@ohboy5999 I enjoyed both series. 100%
I think a lot of people went to see Multiverse of Madness because of their love for Wanda. That’s why me and my friends went and her arc in the film is what was most upsetting as far as I’ve seen. That and the cameos and minimizing the role of the multiverse in the story.
Omg same!! They ruined her character for me, she was someone I could relate to and I really thought she would have been a hero that’s not really a hero something like Black Adam
THANK YOU for bringing up the high stakes problem. I remember arguing pointlessly with MCU fanboys about it while they were in denial. When everything is colossal, nothing is anymore, and it adds to the problem of "Why didn't other heroes or S.H.I.E.L.D. notice this & intervene?".
I think there’s too many characters and not a true main character. Thor is probably the main character but I think at this point his storyline should be coming to an end in the next couple years. So that leaves who? Spiderman? Wanda or strange? Falcon? We don’t really know. Sprite brought up the question in eternals about who is leading the avengers? Well honestly who is leading the avengers? Cause thor is usually in space so who’s leading the avengers right now
U are fucking right Thor is the only main character rn because he is 1 out of the first three avengers and the way they did captain America he went back to tht chick in end game was so messed up imo he had a chance to shine nd lead the new avengers
I find these all too hilarious considering there are over 55K Marvel characters, The Avengers in the comics did not always have the same exact leader, just as the Guardians of the Galaxy which was not always lead by Starlord
This is when it becomes noticeable that for many years The Avengers and associated characters were essentially a second-rate superhero team compared to the likes of X-Men and Fantastic Four. Those two plus Spider-Man were always Marvel’s best-selling comics, whereas most of the characters featured in the MCU were often more likely to feature in their own standalone series’s like Thor, Hulk, and Dr Strange.
I suspect they'll keep Thor around until the next team up movie at least
I think Dr Strange is gonna take Iron Man’s place, and Thor as Captain America (in terms of importance) Ik falcon took Cap’s mantle but not his role
A lot of people forget that the first Iron Man movie was in theaters at the same time as The Dark Knight. The fact that Iron Man did so well is honestly pretty shocking.
You’ve found the words that I’ve been failing to find. I’ve been slowly getting uninterested in the MCU partially because, as you said perfectly, there isn’t much direction. It feels like they didn’t realize how soon their original actor’s contracts were coming to an end and so once they did end they had to find ‘replacements’ and that’s all they’re focused on now. I’m really hoping they cut the slack soon and go back to having something we’re looking towards cause I would love to say I’ve been with the series to the end. But as of now it looks like I’m gonna quit watching the movies and end up just playing the games
Tbh Thor 4 was trash not gonna lie, along with DocStrange2, Ms.Marvel, She-Hulk(that’s definitely expected to suck ass),Black Panther 2(do I really need to go into why THATS gonna suck???),CapMarvel2 & Iron Heart smh shit
@@edz5765 same I’m so excited for gotg3. I’m super glad they were hardly in Thor 4 otherwise tatita waitia would’ve 100% ruined them.
@@Chickendoom10 agreed
Then don't watch it no one asked you to watch it just watch gotg 3
@@BorokStepStudios Dude calm down 😅 why are you so hot and bothered about me replying to a comment with the same opinion as me
@@Chickendoom10 not you bro i was replying to @Ed.d!3
I agree to a point. I think the disjointed and no direction feeling of the current phase is by design. The overarching theme of the next few phases is MULTIVERSAL BLEED THROUGH. The ultimate goal is to bring all of the newly re-aquired properties into the same universe so that they can eventually bring the greatest stories from the comics to the screen. Theirs alot of great interaction between Avengers, X-Men and Fantastic 4. That being said they are adding alot of unnecessary filler projects into the mix and writing quality has definitely gone down. I haven't given up hope completely....but phase 5 is not looking good.
"Creativity replaced with ego and complacency."
- Jeremy Jahns
I feel life Kevin Feige is on a vacation during phase 4
As a side note to this video, love the Utopia music that plays here and there in the vid, forget the musicians name but love it :D
jesus just how LONG did it take you to edit this video?? It has sooo many details, the tiny bits of Soundtrack of each property you showed. Never had i seen such a well made video just to talk about how the mcu is declining, or any other topic for that matter. It just blew my mind as I kept watching lol, keep up this great work!
Great video honestly Sums out a lot of the thoughts I've had since Endgame
Jadyn what r u doing here
"Born in 2003" damn, I feel so old....
There are no happy endings in franchises, only the next product to bring in them dollars
Dollars that you’ll never ever see in your life
Secret wars is the end of the mcu
Great video man, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's felt this way about the MCU since Endgame. I've seen so many people come out and express their distaste and lack of interest in Phase 4 and I'm right there with them. I can't seem to bring myself to care about this franchise anymore if almost everything they churn out is mediocre shit.
“I was born In 2003” aight ima head out
I didn't finish Daredevil S3, but the rooftop argument between Matt Murdock and Frank Castle is possibly my favorite character moment in a Marvel product. The Netflix shows were not perfect, but they were not afraid of tackling some heavy topics in a mainline superhero property and I respect that.
let's see how MCU protray iconic characters like the Fantastic 4, The X-Men, Doctor Doom, Silver Surfer and Galactus
Season 3 has probably the most well done ending of pretty much anything marvel has done so far. Recommend finishing it.
I think infinity war is the example of Marvels peak, endgame is the start of the downfall
in endgame you can start to see what is bringing down marvel right now, stupid jokes, cameos everywhere and not taking serious their characters
I absolutely agree, their characters have very shitty arcs and aren't given the Iron man/Thor/America treatment. We don't see them grow and learn from their mistakes other than Spider-Man, it's just all "here's a bad guy go fight him, till he dies, rinse and repeat."
YO man props to you for coming onto EFAP. I'm a fan of that podcast but am gonna watch your video in full here. Lots of others are reactive to being criticized so it says a ton about you that you were open and accepted things you had changed your mind on. Keep being you man.
Doctor strange was geniunely so rushed. like I could barely comprehend what was happening half the time because of the overuse of exposition and bad pacing. The same could be said for a lot of their new stuff, their just focused on next thing, rather than making a good thing.
I agree, it's the Thanos problem a villian whose intent is explained through multiple movies and actually has a good motive and doesn't drop dead (The Joker, Bane, Thanos, Magneto, Dormamu) is more engaging then these toss away villians. Doctor strange 2 could have been two movies if the writers wanted it to be but they just had to make Wanda commit hirakiri so we can move on to something else, (atleast we know it's Dormamu and not something rushed and random). But still each movie is just one universe ending event after the next, I wish they would just scale it back a little and focus on the characters as CHARACTERS.
It was soooo bad. I could write a book on its faults..and I'm not exaggerating..
@@darianstarfrog BLACKBOLT CAN SHOUT U APART USING ONLY HIS MOUTH
@@Mistashiba dude I know.. I actually had the comics.. before an ex sold them all.. ffs
The whole "memories shop" scene made me genuinely angry. Such a lazy, forced and incoherent movie. Didn't like it at all.
One thing to add onto the Thunderbolts: they're also building up Zemo in some aspect to be tied to them since he lead them in the comics. And I wouldn't be surprised if they pull the Yellowjacket armor from the dead and there was a Thunderbolts version of her (since random ex-SHIELD/HYDRA guy from the first Ant-Man stole the formula at the end of that film with no appearance since).
Fourteen year old mcu fans about to start beef with a 80 year old guy💀.
I am not really upset that all the projects do not connect into the overarching narrative. It is really refreshing to see smaller scale conflicts like Hawkeye where the whole entire world is not at risk of dying. I think having more disconnected stories is fine for Phase 4 as this is a restarting point. A lot of the films in Phase 1 did not directly connect. Plus there is an evident direction the franchise is going, Secret Wars. With the multiverse open and the introduction of incursions, we are headed towards a mulitversal war with Kang and Dr Doom in Secret Wars. So there is a direction.
Yes, i think most of the mcu fan know where the mcu is being headed and this TH-camr and most of the people in this comment section doesn't know shit and just wants same stuff over and over again.
The only direction is trash writing. Secret Wars will be on par with it's '84 version.
@@BorokStepStudios you clearly didn't understand the video at all.
Honestly I could give less of a shit
Me as a both simple man and a mcu fan, i could say phase 4 is about exploring the new normal/post blip world and bits of the multiverse, not entirely, but a little. That's all i can think of.
Loki is the only one I disagree on you with cause it still felt original and combined setting up the future really well imo but everything else I agree w you
9:19 "part of why dc is doing so well right now"
That line is going to age like milk or fine wine eventually
I think it all just boils down to bad writing I honestly wouldn’t mind the content over saturation of the movies and shows if the scripts actually made sense
One thing that bothers me is like this phase makes it look like infinity war never happend. They won against thanos and now thats on the past. No real consecuence. He won, they fixed it. Done. Nothing carries from that and it feels like poor story telling to be honest.
Nah, that's more like a you problem. Literally Captain America aged to old man due to time travelling in Infinity Saga. Loki, Thanos, Iron Man and Black Widow completely died. Those are just a few examples that just counter your argument and there were consequences. Also if you keep up with the Disney+ shows, there was some drawbacks when some of these superheroes separated and went back to their civilian daily routines. And Thanos or elements of him are referenced in some these shows.
@@UltimateQball yeah the blip is mentioned in almost everything, between protests in spiderman, doctor strange being called a hypocrite by Wanda, general skepticism in Ms marvel of superheroes even tho that shit was aweful. There's no ignorance of the universe ending event, it's just not the plot focus of a movie yet.
@@marimorg7377 Yea I too was so disappointed with Ms. Marvel show. Maybe if we were kids watching it, we would give it a higher rating. Just think about when we used to watching Disney shows at young age, and we though how amazing and entertaining they were. Now that we're older, we probably wouldn't think of it the same way. Those shows were just meant for kids, but Disney Marvel shouldn't have targetted it that way for these shows, because they know all Marvel fans, all ages, needs to following along to understand what's going on in the overall MCU. So that was a bad decision making on their part.
let's see how MCU protray iconic characters like the Fantastic 4, The X-Men, Doctor Doom, Silver Surfer and Galactus
@@UltimateQball I really doubt my age has anything with not liking it it's not the tik tok or highschool part that sucked it's the story telling.bthe show dragged because too much of it was about Kamala's family and heritage. I felt like it was a better documentary of Arab life in America than it was a super hero movie. Also the last episodes CGI was fucking aweful. There's too much CGI in her unexplained magic powers and her powers doesn't even make sense for her being a 'mutant'. Also I don't understand why wong or strange wasn't in this story arc with a magical meltdown.
The parts of the story that were well done was the trends and the overarching plot was the problem.
Also I never watched Disney when I was younger, sadly. I was a nick/cartoon network and wb kid. I was only an X-Men fan, I don't think X-Men lore ruins it for me but it's annoying having things in the marvel universe not even make sense with the rules of the universe the MCU made itself.
i feel like this phase they managed to retcon themselves and they’re doing damage control. i’m some shows/movies it’s like the snap didn’t happen and people aren’t really showing the effects of it, the entire eternals movie, and some aspects of Multiverse of Madness
Exactly! Thats a huge problem!
At the end of endgame, I would have loved it if the snap reverted time and sends all the heroes to Infinity War. Before Thanos attacked. Like, it never happened. All the Avengers remembered what happened while citizens and the people wouldn't know.
It can keep the mystery of supernatural things out of people's minds.
I’m personally optimistic of what they’re doing next. As of now, the reason why people aren’t liking it is because, as you said, it seems to lack direction. But that’s just how it’s going to be for the next few movies. This is like phase 1 all over again, with the rebuilding of new teams and characters to create these teams. It’s the building phase, I personally feel like it’d feel weird if there wasn’t a lot of time between Endgame and the next big superhero team up film. It wouldn’t feel as meaningful, and we’d only be expecting the next team up film every year or two, instead of having to wait 3,4, or even 5 years. I feel that we just had such a short time between Infinity War and Endgame, really only being virtually a year between the films, that now we expect them to already have the next big bad officially announced and a team up film to follow thereafter. I personally feel that patience is key here, otherwise you really are just going to think that this entire phase sucks, because you aren’t looking at it for what it is, a rebuilding phase. I mean of course I already want to know when our next team up film is in the works, but I’d rather wait and hopefully have a quality film when the time comes. Until then it is completely fine to come up with theories, like how I personally believe the next “big bad” (and I mean Thanos level, not just Loki or Ultron level), is going to be Kang the Conqueror, but that’s just me and my opinion.
thank u🙏🏼🙏🏼
My thoughts exactly dude. All the complaints are extremely valid but patience is key. There’s a plan in place. And I think come Saturday that plan may be a lot clearer in our minds.
Nobody expects the villain to be revealed instantly. What you’re absolutely ignoring is the fact that phase 4 is already more than twice as long as all the other phases combined.
@@michaelthatoker7125 my man it’s literally the entire multiverse, you can’t really just start off small like in phase 1 and get the entire story together without it being completely rushed with many major characters missing that haven’t even been introduced yet. Again patience is key, and Covid really threw everything off, so unless you want to be pissed at them for not creating stuff and being very coordinated during the pandemic, then it’s pretty reasonable. Remember that Marvel has 100s of characters, it isn’t super simple like you make it out to be.
@@thecreatorofdestruction1852 Gonna say it again. More than twice as long as all previous 3 phases COMBINED. You act like just because they labeled it a phase that all criticisms need to be thrown to the wind. If you need over 60+ hours of content to even get STARTED on a cohesive and good story, then you’re doing something wrong. Setting up for future movies is NOT an excuse for bad writing. It also is WAY simpler than I’m making it out to be. Simply adapt the storylines that are good. There’s literally a shit ton of comic content that is vetted. What, I’m supposed to sit here and be happy and shovel all the shit down my throat that they’re pushing? The films and tv shows based off comics nobody liked? Comics that failed to sell and had their runs cut prematurely short? Nah, me and just about everyone else are tired of it 🤷🏻♂️
I love your commitment to using Smiling Friends footage, I'm hoping you keep doing this long enough that I can reconstruct the entire series using clips from your vids 😅 Totally agree with your views on Phase 4 as well, there seems to be a severe lack of focus right now
I think looking at the newly released schedule, I’m more confident in what the MCU will produce in the future. With phase 5 and some of phase 6 revealed, there’s more trust that there is an overarching plan for the multiverse stuff. It’s also helpful to know that phase 4 was supposed to seem less connected so we see a wide variety of characters as they react to what happened in endgame. So just as in phase one, there’s a lot of unrelated projects that will eventually mean more together as the trilogy of phases moves on.
I hope they hold on to that and hire more better writers, use the cgi budget on the important stuff rather than overusing it on the costume especially, and prove to themselves that they can win back their audience back by making the characters likeable and fits the stories
O.k but that still leaves a huge problem: this phase is still very bad ans poorly done as opposed to the previous ones, and right now it doesn't matter what will come and the next phases if this one is causing many in the audience to lose interest in the MCU. Why should I come back to watch a continuation of a bunch stories I didn't like at the best of times ans made me lose any interest for The MCU going forward?
@@Light-at-Dawn Well I sure hope this phase's approval rating will spark better content for the next one. If not, then they will lose viewers and, in turn, money. If they get the hint that we the fans will not show up for movies that are sub-par, then we are in for a lot of good movies in the future. My initial reaction was more in the realm that I feel more at ease with the lack of a common thread between the titles of phase 4 rather than being ok with the lack of quality for some of the content.
However, I think Marvel has been trying new things to keep the audience interested in making the new MCU seem different from the last three phases and those changes have not been done very well.
Buuuuuuut, in my opinion, the changes being made are more cosmetic, and instead, they should be adding different tones that make each film feel special. I would have liked MoM to be a solid horror movie. I would have enjoyed Black Widow to be more about spy stuff than ending with a CGI sky battle. I would have enjoyed Moonknight more without the big CGI monster battle at the end. I would have enjoyed Shang Chi without the big CGI monster battle at the end. I would have enjoyed Thor more if the movie seemed like it had any stakes, like at all, other than cancer (telling us Gorr is killing hundreds of gods is not the same as witnessing the undoubtedly awesome scenes :/ )There are problems with these movies that are losing people's attention. But I do think it is nice to know that there is at least an overarching plan for the MCU. *End of rant* Sorry
The MCU has kind of lost me at this point. I just don’t care much anymore. Especially with this current phase. I do wish it had ended with Endgame.
Then don't watch it you could stop now
@@BorokStepStudios he’s not watching it dude 🤓
@@BorokStepStudios He already said he's not going to watch it lmao
what the hell is wrong with you, thinking "oh just dont watch it" is somehow an objectively valid agument
let's see how MCU protray iconic characters like the Fantastic 4, The X-Men, Doctor Doom, Silver Surfer and Galactus
Oh well they will probs cry losing a shrek as a fan
Another problem I have with Phase 4 that is more prominent in movies like Eternals is that the stakes are so unreasonably high every time that it stopped being believable anymore. The urgency is most of the times world-ending instead of something that’s more personally related with the characters. Like I know the Eternals are gonna win because it’d be actually stupid to end the world in a movie like that. The same goes for series like Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Moon Knight (this last one I have mixed feelings about). When the risk is that high in something so disconnected, there isn’t really much risk to begin with. If you want to make something disconnected, make it in a way smaller scale like with Daredevil and the Defenders shows. These kinds of superhero stories are stronger now more than ever because now less is more.
Gawd damn that’s a lot of utopia soundtracks in this video :)
From my point of view, its very messy because they are trying to introduce new characters and stuff, the world of monsters and cosmic entities of marvel, but one mistake is to put together more than one team together, in earth we have the thunderbolts, maybe young avengers, marvels, eternals, avengers and the guardians is too much at the same time. The next objective is very far away.
Here's my thing with phase 4. I'm willing to acknowledge that a lot of what we've gotten so far has been mid. But I'm not really ready to say that the mcu is dead and it has no more direction. My hope is that one day we will look back on phase 4 as a transition period between the infinity saga and whatever is next. We have to acknowledge that the fantastic 4 and x men are coming, and with them villains like dr doom, galactus, magneto, ect. I guess the thought of what we could potentially see in the future is what keeps me around. I'm willing to give any new release a chance because some of them ARE still good. I could be wrong, but based on stuff i've heard Feige say about having movies planned through 2028, it's clear that they are building towards something and it's just too early for us to see it. Does that mean that it's ok for phase 4 to be mid? No, of course not. I'm just not willing to give up just yet. I'm hoping it's just a cold streak.
You can unfortunately scratch dr. Doom off because black widow killed “her” off. Yup! That mid ass movie destroyed anything that made him interesting as a character in the comics,cartoons and whatnot.
@Feister You talking about Taskmaster?
Its not just quality. Just sick of CGI movies. They just all….so meh. Who cares anymore. You see a movie like Maverick and then….that’s cinema.
@@feister2869 that's task master not dr.doom
@@miscllaneus oh right
Oh my god did I hear music from utopia?!?! Is that a reference to pyrocynical?
Extremely well put together, and god damn this is some SLICK editing.
Yo it do be Channel Pup though
The biggest problem is were in too deep for filler projects. Post Endgame should’ve been nothing but big projects. They know damn well all the characters & projects we really want to see(Deadpool 3 R rated, X Men, F4, Blade, GOTG3)
Also the choice of directors/writers.
People need to learn that every director under the MCU is portraying Feiges vision. Everything in the MCU is Feiges idea. There’s no room for creative control in the MCU. Imagine if we actually got Edgar Wrights Ant-Man.
Lastly there pigeonholed by Disney. Which is also there biggest asset in terms of Production budget. But because these are Disney movies there always gonna play it safe.
You’re right… Marvel should have done exactly that.
It wouldn't make sense for a story perspective and it wouldn't be good too put all the amazing content right together. Spread out all the content because then people will be excited for a movie too come out and if there are tons of movies people wanted in a row that people think are amazing, people would have have a unrealistic expectation of every movie being amazing and think that the movies that are pretty good but not amazing are complete shit and a waste of a movie.
@@JUICYPOPCORN Disney has all the resources in the world to never release filler. They have amazing IP & have enough money to hire any Director/Writer. I’m not saying every movie should be Avengers but they shouldn’t be a waste of time
Nice to hear you come on EFAP, its always cool too see people be willing to explain their position and defending their arguements. I know it can be daunting to come on a show where poeple give you a hard time, but I still feel like you are a true sport and do enjoy listening to what you have to say. Keep it up man!
What I appreciate about End Game is how much it really wraps up the MCU we grew up with. If you wanted to, you could call it then and stop watching. It's a great ending to a franchise with 10+ years in the making.
True. After that, they’re just milking atp. I have no hope the next Avengers movies will be any good
While my experience with phase 4 has been mostly positive, I can't deny it has some big problems. It's a pretty big step down from Phase 3 where everything scams together. And it doesn't help that they're mostly starting from scratch. And while I appreciate a lot of the experimenting, Disney has definitely showed their hand with how much they'll let more creative people do it. The thing is, despite e flip-flopping quality, I, still kind of on board with it. Like, phase 4 has had some of my personal favorite Marvel stuff, as well as some of the most forgettable, so while I wouldn't say it outright sucks, I can definitely say that there was a decline
Hey man just watched the video of you with the EFAP group and let me say, you weren't cowardly at all, it takes a lot of courage and maturity to come and speak with people who were criticizing your video. Also you were understanding and proceeded to take their advice, talk to them in a civil manner. Big kudos to you! 👏🏻 I personally like your editing style. You got yourself a new subscriber!
My issue with marvel is trying to cram and resolve villains into a single movie and season.
It's like what if X-Men in a single movie introduced magneto and he had his whole crazy long and drawn out character arc in a single movie. To me alot of these heros are introduced tossed out and replaced and marvel blew their load to early.
I'm guessing the Video mentions this but for this reason Thanos is the best villain in the MCU. People are fatigued cause they are being bombarded with Easter eggs and content but the content has no substance.
While it's great that marvel has an ad infinitum amount of villains to make a movie about but want us to watch the same super heroes fight all these villains, the movies could benefit from cutting out the fat and making their movies focus on just the important ones.
The reason Wanda made a good villain in strange 2 is cause we had a connection to her, and the reason Gorr was a disappointment was because his importance wasn't established cause his situation HAD to be resolved in a single episode.
This is what DC does so well, the Joker is an established villain and doesn't just drop dead at the end of a Batman movie to be replaced by some random.
“How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favourite franchises go down in flames?”- Rich Evans.
we'll be dead before that's the MCU though. So I guess it feels like...non existent
@@thetrib1 it’s already happening. It doesn’t matter if they keep making movies or not; there will always be kids and nerds who go to watch it - but that doesn’t mean it’s still good. The MCU has been in a downward spiral since infinity war and there’s no sign of stopping.
@@razarryan2465 please name the franchise that is over due to 0 interest that keeps making projects? if there will always be kids and nerds who watch it then does that mean that number will shorten? you think there will be less nerds and kids in the future? why is that?
@@razarryan2465 Lol there’s been a few bad projects but it’s not like the entire franchise is in the dumps
One more problem is they tried to insert more political narrative of a certain inclination.
I think they have always wanted to give political expressions, and with each accumulated success they felt more compelled to do whatever they want, up to the point of not keeping up with quality.
It's like they think, as long as we can make people laugh every 3-4 scenes, we can put whatever political message we want.
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