Which Arrow Looper Has The MOST Prime Ride Time?
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- Arrow Dynamics has looping coasters all over the world dating back to 1975 - let's see how they compare by the numbers.
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Arrows are vastly underappreciated. Its a shame so many of the mega-loopers are gone. Would have been great if they retracked them instead.
They're not underappreciated they just suck. Shallow drops, janky transitions awful restraints etc etc...besides the nostalgia aspect they don't come close to any modern coaster
@@user-pl5ds8iz6q yeah and most modern coasters have a lack of vision, push crappy vest restraints onto people, no real innovation just "oh we made a better transition here" and claims of butter smooth which is bs like RMC trains suck and most intamin ones aren't that good either. Real steel coasters are what the market needs, like new vekomas, stuff like Steel Curtain, etc. The successors to the arrow looper types really. When ruining classic wood coasters, building 30 second coasters, and a single rail is the story of the last decade, there is nothing to be proud of with the whole "modern" thing. Heck, i think gravity group mastering a family wooden coaster (and can make ones with inversions too with better seats) is a better example of anything modern that is well done. Also nostalgia peopel loving B&M stand-ups is where nostalgia is being placed-stand ups double down on any pain arrow ever did at it's worst.
@@oneandonlysound3453 Still not explaining why Arrow Looper itself is literally reusing the exact copy of element blueprint to the exact dimension over and over and over and over and over and over.... Just with different elevation
Only the time Arrow Looper was being original is Tennessee Tornado. But I'm completely sure you count it as heresy because of Alan Schilke.
@@bocahdongo7769 The future of Arrow was meant to be improvements after the failure of Drachen Fire. Tennessee Tornado was them doing it right really, though with more inversions intended, they could've kept going. If X2 had been asked for by a reasonable park, that might've helped too. Also, the company itself didn't always want to use the same track. They came up with several totally different concepts (pipeline that intamin built one rip off of, basically a dive invert) that never got built/made because-well this happens, but there attempts got shot down a lot. Nevermind the time when worked with Huss when they were merged and different people had influence on different ideas. Though how people compare like the old mine trains to the mega loopers as if they are that similiar is just silly-by that, you'd literally have to say every B&M is the same.
@@oneandonlysound3453 I can't deny that in the end it goes full circle.
But let's be honest, it's smoother if not more reliable. It's still goes full circle in terms of element reusability, but still way better than Arrow which both carbon copy to each other and unnecessarily janky.
This is probably one of your better videos in the “by the numbers” series. I love a good old arrow coaster and it’s interesting to see how the stats line up even though dragon mountain was pretty much a dead giveaway for the longest ride.
Defunct Arrow Looper Prime Ride Times:
28 seconds - Roller Coaster, Al-Sha’ab Leisure Park
31 seconds - Double Loop, Geauga Lake
51 seconds - Steel Phantom, Kennywood
56 seconds - Shockwave, Six Flags Great America
57 seconds - Dragon, Ocean Park
63 seconds - Great American Scream Machine, Six Flags Great Adventure
67 seconds - Vortex, Kings Island and Drachen Fire, Busch Gardens Williamsburg
71 seconds - Orient Express, Worlds of Fun
Orient Express was the best Arrow Looper. Why cedar fair took it away from our park that doesn’t have much is beyond me
@@Shinyarc Maintenance issues were the main problem, but also they wanted to make room for Spinning Dragons, since the park didn't have any intermediate rollercoasters.
But they compensated by building Patriot a couple of years later.
Nice to see Carolina Cyclone getting the credit for being the world's first four inversion coaster. Everyone always introduces Corkscrew at Cedar Point as the world's first three inversion coaster yet never seem to do the same for Cyclone.
Because it’s cedar point, and everyone cares about cedar point. Who cares about Carowinds? (Joke)
To me its so weird hearing Chris say "Diamondback" and not be referring to a B&M hyper
Remember Lightning Loops?
Viper should be renovated not removed. We as enthusiasts need to write a petition when SFMM will decide to close this still great and enjoyable coaster.
Blue hawk treatment
Same with Great American Scream Machine.
@@Rlotpir1972 i'm pretty sure that one is gone to the scrap yard.
I really wish the theme park owners invest into keeping these amazing rides around. Not just for their history, but for the unique experience they offer. I wanna see these rides get the same appreciation as the old PTC woodies.
I'm a sucker for Arrow loopers. I grew up in the 90s so Arrow and B&M basically define my vision of steel coasters and the Arrow loopers have a lot of nostalgia for me.
Dragon Mountain was definitely going to be number one, though I think it almost challenges the very concept of what should count as prime ride time. Viper (SFMM) is awesome. I don't care what anyone says.
I need to ride both of those rollercoasters
I live close to both lol
Me too! My first "big" coaster was Corkscrew at Knott's Berry Farm!
The first drop on Loch Ness Monster always gets me, it's so intense, I dunno how even but it's so good. just sit in the back so you don't get slammed into the right side on the first turn.
All the bugs flying around in the summer evenings at the bottom of the drop tho.
The first time I rode it it felt like that drop was on another level. I think part of it is the way the coaster uses terrain and what that does for the visuals. I think a big boost to the ride time is that long helix, which is one of the highlights of the ride.
@@MattMcIrvin the helix is awesome, mainly because it's in the tunnel. I miss the big cartoony cut out monster face they had at the end of it too.
Yes! Re-rode Loch Ness for the first time in 15 years earlier this summer, and that first drop is still perfection.
Ya gotta sit in the back seat for Nessy! It gives awesome airtime and makes it feel like the beast trying to hurl you right out of the car. She was my first adult coaster and I've easily logged more rides on her than any other coaster I've been on. The only thing I don't like about her is that second lift hill. Back in the old days she would hit it so fast that she wouldn't need the chain to pull her up more than half of it but I believe they have slowed her down a bit since then. And yes the lights and fog in the tunnel were definitely part of what made the helix so much fun back in the day.
My first coaster ever was Matterhorn. My first time going upside down on a coaster was Corkscrew at Knotts. Nostalgia is a thing!
Always a good day when you post
Dragon Mountain is one of my favorites of any coaster. The lift hill up the mountain, the length of the ride, the true terrain aspect and most of all the long tunnels in total darkness make it very special. The final tunnel is one of my favorite coaster moment ever. It’s long and includes a drop in darkness.
It’s always a walk on and resides are permitted
I just rode it in August 2022 and it’s unbelievable how well it tracks for a 35ish year old Arrow. There are a few wobbles at the bottom of the loops and only one bad transition on the whole ride coming out if the first tunnel.
This ride alone is worth the trip to Marineland. Plus they have rare Zierer Star Shape and Huss Magic. Both are incredible.
They don’t have a lot of rides but I really enjoy the park the way it’s spread out and laid-back. It’s such a nice alternative to overcrowded CW
if you do a "Which arrow mine train gives the BEST prime ride time?" video, you should add Gemini and Excalibur
YES
I grew up going to Kings Dominion and Busch Gardens. So many rides on Anaconda and Loch Ness Monster. Anaconda was the perfect intro to steel loopers. Nice shallow drop, lots of cool surroundings on the lake, slowish etc. Loch Ness remains a legit great coaster for me. Still runs great, has a “heavy” feel to it that makes me feel like I’m going faster than I actually am. Front row Nessie rides on a cool October night with the Halloween event going on is probably still my favorite overall theme park experience.
Didn’t know I wanted this video until I saw it. Now I’m so glad you made it. I LOVE a good Arrow Looper. R.I.P. Vortex
Shame on King's Island for removing Vortex.
RIP Vortex. It remains my #1 of all time. I even have a piece of the rails off of it sitting in my room in a glass case. Ill always miss her.
Canyon Blaster is crazy intense, that 2nd loop in particular crushes you with positives. And that in-and-out rockwork helix is awesome.
It was no surprise that Dragon Mountain is number 1 in this list, but dang, that ride time is off the charts compared to the rest. Gave me a good laugh when that screen height filling bar appeared.
I know, I like that visual to put things in perspective
Really hope magic mountain doesn’t remove viper
We can all hope Viper get's one more paint job before it's gone.
@@zacharyyamashita8554 or maybe a retrack and new trains
In Queensland, Australia in the early 90s (Until we got an SLC), there were two major coasters to choose from. One was called Thunderbolt at Dreamworld, and despite its iconic looking double loops, it was a horrible ride for mine. Sure it had its fans, but it was so rough, that I can still feel the headache 30 years later. Funny enough it was built by the Sanoyas Hishino Meisho who is also responsible for the infamous, ill-fated and now closed Melbourne Star Ferris Wheel.
Contrast this to creatively named "Corkscrew" at the nearby Seaworld. This was an incredibly simple Aarow looper; only with a 1 minute or ride, but it was one of the smoothest Roller Coasters I've even been on, and was so easy to marathon, which helped make up for the quick ride time. It's probably one of the major reasons I like roller coasters today. New Zealand actually had a seemingly identical model which is still running today.
Also, nice to see Gold Coaster get a mention in your video; it's a good ride and with its 120cm height requirement, it's likely the first inversion for many Australian children. I'm not surprised it ranked one in pacing, it does ride fast which is probably what's motivated Dreamworld to keep it going all these years. Incidentally, it also looks a lot better these days with its new coat of pain than the clips used for this video.
The gold coaster is my friends #1 roller coaster beating out DC Rivals
That Arrow Loop and Corkscrew at Rainbows End is our best rollercoaster in New Zealand, poor us. I've been on the one at Seaworld Gold Coast just when it got the Kumbak trains and renamed to Sea Viper I think in 2010. Done Viper, X2, both Demons, Canyon Blaster and managed to get on Vortex at Kings Island on last day of operation in 2019. Obviously X2 blows them all out of the water by far, but I always appreciate an Arrow for nostalgia. Not sure how much longer our local Corkscrew will stay around, but it's still surprisingly smooth for what it is.
@@ThatRollerCoasterNerd wow.
You know it's a pretty good one for what it is, the way it drags you through that left hand downhill turn before the loop is pretty good, but better than rivals?!!
Each to his own.
Rewatched your Silverwood vlog today along with many others. Can’t get enough of your coaster content!
The Viper at Six Flags Darien Lake (1st 5 inversion coaster) is an awesome ride! Love it! Very smooth. I actually think the coaster slowing down half way adds suspense before going into the corkscrew inversions.
This reminds me of Vortex 😔
My beloved.
Viper at Darien Lake is a perfect Arrow looper! Over 40 years old and it still runs smooth as ever.. although small by today's standards, you'll feel the first drop into a vertical loop in your stomach every time you ride. Their cookie-cutter elements are in the perfect order on this one
My first coaster is Loch Ness monster and of all the arrows I’ve been it’s by far one of the smoothest
She isn't as smooth as she was over three decades ago but she's still a fun ride. She was my first adult coaster too and definitely holds a warm spot in my heart.
Ahhh, Loch Ness Monster.... my nostalgic love. Great video as usual, Chris!
Hahaha, love that you mention harsh midcourse break runs and then show Viper at SFDL. Whenever I'm there I warn people in line to be wary of the midcourse. Top shelf content as usual!
You are my favorite coaster channel. Love the video
Great work!! Very interesting! Thanks!!!
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That's how I know today will be amazing.
It would’ve been funny to see how Steel Phantom stacked up against the other arrow loopers.
Wish granted
Steel Phantom
Time 45 seconds (6th)
Length 2559’ (4th)
Drop 225’ (1st)
Speed 80 mph (1st)
Pacing 56.9 f/s (4th)
Awesome video. We just did lochness monster and anaconda this weekend both are fun rides. The tunnel Helix on lochness at night is crazy.
I was surprised that Dragon mountain was in the middle on pacing.
It seems like it really crawls in POVs.
Same...i figured it would be way down there
I herd Dragon Mountain is a really great coaster. It always amazes me how all these Arrow coasters are different when each one was built for the client and hand cut and welded together but each one has a different ride. Some are smooth and some are rough
Love the work amazing channel keep it up
Great job for cracking into the number one spot in this list Dragon Mountain!
I really like Arrow loopers. My first ever credit is Corkscrew at Knott's maybe that's why I get excited when I see them. I also enjoy Viper at Magic Mountain. Great video!
I rode Loch Ness Monster for the first time back in 2019 just a year after it received the new trains from S&S for its 40th anniversary and I was absolutely blown away with how smooth it really was. That first drop scared the living shit out of me because of how intense it was not to mention that I actually grayed out at the bottom of it as it was that intense for me as a first time rider. I have never been on a coaster with a top speed of 60 miles an hour or faster in my life not to mention that Nessie currently holds the record for the tallest and fastest roller coaster I've been on. I don't think the Loch Ness Monster will be going away anytime soon especially since Busch Gardens Williamsburg's maintenance team does a fantastic job with maintaining the coaster according to a friend of mine who works there.
Oddly enough, Dragon Mountain is a pretty good ride. It feels a lot faster than the povs, and the inversions are forceful.
too bad I really don't want to give Marineland money
I liked the part where he talked about the arrow looper
Over 10 years ago I rode Dragon Mountain and all I could think about was whether or not we were going to just stop on a straight piece of track because we were moving that slowly so to see it not dead last in pacing is surprising.
Damn, that's some PRIME thumbnail work, great video!
Thanks! I think the thumbnail is the only reason the video is doing relatively well 😅
The list of Arrow Loopers I've ridden (still here and defunct):
Corkscrew (my first big coaster)(Michigan's Adventure)
Corkscrew (Cedar Point)
Demon (Six Flags Great America)
Shockwave (defunct)(Six Flags Great America)
Python (defunct)(Busch Gardens Tampa)
Dragon Mountain (Marineland)
Arrow Loopers I want to ride in the future:
Viper (Six Flags Magic Mountain)
Dragon Fire (Canada's Wonderland)
Viper (Six Flags Darien Lake)
Carolina Cyclone (Carowinds)
Tennessee Tornado (Dollywood)
The other Demon (California's Great America)
Loch Ness Monster (Busch Gardens Williamsburg)
Canyon Blaster (Adventuredome at Circus Circus)
Any of the shuttle loops (Elitch Gardens, Frontier City, Blackpool Pleasure Beach)
Ones I will avoid like the plague:
Anaconda (Kings Dominion)
Ninja (the Arrow/Vekoma mix breed)(Six Flags St. Louis)
You forgot Steamin' Demon at the Great Escape, heard that one was one of the worst of all today ;) .
My first inversion was on the Wabash Cannonball at Opryland. When I was a kid I thought it was the greatest coaster ever.
Same here!
I have been waiting for this. I love riding Arrow Loopers..... even if some do hurt
I will always love Arrow Loopers so thank you for adding them to your "by the numbers" series. I must add a criticism however, this video would have been much better served if you had included the defunct Arrow Loopers. The defunct loopers included some of the most intense and best paced of the whole lot. Shockwave in particular would have been a fascinating contrast to Viper at SFMM since Shockwave had no trim breaks and a mid-course that did not bring the train to a dead stop. Then there was Steel Phantom with it's Hypercoaster-sized drop and 80mph top speed. I'm also curious where Vortex, Great American Scream Machine, Orient Express, the insane looking Dragon at Ocean Park, with it's bizarre two chain lift layout, would have placed on the list. Oh and Drachen Fire, I bet that one would have had high marks for prime ride time and nearly every other stat but sadly I've heard it was one of the most painful coasters in the world...still it would have been a fun entry. I was happy to see you include Fantasia Special and Goldcoaster which rarely are mentioned at all. Sorry to complain so much about what I did not see in your video...just an Arrow fanboy venting his frustrations, lol.
RIP Shockwave, GASM, Drachen Fire, Vortex. I shudder to think of a day when there are no Arrow loopers left.
Canyon blaster has a special place in mine/ most kids from the west coast hearts. I marathoned this thing as a kid and it was my first inverted coaster. It feels like it is going way faster than it actually is going and the setting in the artificial mountain is so awesome. Adventuredome will always have a special place in my heart
I rode Canyon Blaster a month ago and it was flying!! To the point when you exit the second loop then hit a quick ejector hill into a hard right turn the front car was hitting the up stop wheels hard! Little Sketchy but makes the ride intense!
Who doesn’t love an old arrow looper? Sure, some arrow loopers are rough like demon at CGA or SFGA. But they have those classic forces and have important history. I wish my home park of over Georgia had a arrow looper. But the last one I rode was Tennessee Tornado at Dollywood back in May. But I love your love for arrow loopers.
Most of us really didn't mind the rough rides. Back then, that went hand-in-hand with the coaster experience.
@@carriejones4230 I can handle any Old school rough Arrow Looper.
@@zacharyyamashita8554 me too!
I remember Lightning Loops and The Great American Scream Machine at Great Adventure. A woman died after being ejected from the front seat which saw its demise and walking up those steps while waiting on line was lame. I avoided it after riding both sides a handful of times when it first opened. The Scream Machine was awesome and colossal when it first opened. I rode it whenever I went to the park until it was removed. A bonus about GA is I loved Rolling Thunder a woodie with plenty of airtime and although a racer had 2 separate layouts and towards it's end started running one side backwards which was awesome. Out of all the ex coasters at GA it was my favorite.
You are a bigger dork than I am. These are fun to listen to.
Unabashed nerddom
Hi airtime thrills! Love your content.
Hi from Toronto Canada. Canada's Wonderland is my home park. I love Dragon Fyre. It's a favourite of mine. We have 2 Arrow coasters. The other one is a suspended one named Vortex. I liked your list.
Rode Dragon Mountain way back in the late 80s. Park was dead AF so we pretty much got a dozen zen rides on it 😂
Arrow has made some of my favorite coasters. Magnum is still one of my favorite coasters at cedar point with steel vengeance being the only coaster to dethrone it. Everyone forgets about gemani but it's a great ride and vortex was my favorite arrow looper I have rode.
The brake run before the corkscrews on Viper at Darien Lake has been adjusted in the past based on the number of trains running. When it opened they managed to run three at once so I imagine it needed to slow the train down but now that there’s usually only one train running it’s not necessarily needed. Also, I completely forgot about Dragon Mountain until you brought it up even though I used to live near the border.
Lastly, I feel like if Six Flags had the business model that they’ve had within the past decade about 30 years ago, all their parks would receive an Arrow coaster such as Vortex or Corkscrew with each having a different DC nickname.
Sadly rumor has it Marineland is going to close it's doors for good after this season. I had the opportunity to ride it back in 1994 and chickened out in the station.
It would be interesting how Steel Phantom would have fit in here. Height #1, Speed #1, Pacing #1. The ride approached those inversions with so much speed
RIP Great American Scream Machine. I'm still concussed from you.
Your analysis of Drain Mountain is correct. Weird coaster at a weird park. I still enjoyed it though.
Before I could do anything in Vegas I was in the adventure dome for hours. Rode canyon blaster 17 times in a row
LMFAO X2 WHAT
thank you chris
ive ridden great american scream machine many many times. i was even an operator at it one yr. soo much fun 👍👍
If only I got to ride Vortex before it closed. I didn’t have much time on my 2017 visit to Kings Island, so I skipped a few rides, primarily Firehawk and Vortex, and said I would ride them next time. Next time never came 😢 I didn’t; think Vortex would close, since it was such an iconic ride for the park. It also looks like we might be losing Dragon Mountain very very soon as well. It’s just sad to see so many of the iconic and unique Arrow Loopers continuing to slowly disappear. It really feels like sooner than we think, all we’ll have left are the generic corkscrew and corkscrew with loop models. Anyways, fun video to travel through what’s currently left of Arrow’s looping coaster history!
When you reach a certain age, “Prime ride time” becomes an oxymoron on Arrow loopers
This makes me miss Vortex at Kings Island so much.
R.I.P. Orient Express
R.I.P. Vortex
Dragon Mountain is actually Canada's longest roller coaster, beating Leviathan at Canada's Wonderland by a mere 14 feet in length according to the RCDB.
Loch Ness Monster......greatest Arrow ever .....and most picturesque coaster in world
Oh without a doubt she is placed absolutely perfectly in the terrain of the park. I have some wonderful pictures of her in my collection.
I've ridden Dragon Mountain at Marineland back in 1991. It was an experience to say the least. Plus Marineland had more going on back then and wasn't a Ghost town Park that it is today.
RIP Vortex.
sick vid
Man I miss Vortex so much
Gold coaster was a real surprise. I thought Tennessee Tornado was going to have the best pacing
Canyon Blaster is so underrated, and last time I rode Carolina Cyclone it was pretty good.
I hope those ones won't be removed because they're like the OG roller coasters
The issue with Dragon Mountain is they never finished theming it, the weird helix in the back was suppose to be a volcano. If they actually finished it, it would be a much better ride. Fun Fact: I rode Ride of Steel at Darien Lake YEARS before I rode Dragon Mountain because the lift hill terrified me as a kid lol the drop isn’t nearly that large.
The theming is so bizarre. And that lift hill is something else. It was my first major roller coaster I was barely tall enough to ride. I will forever love that ride but I agree. The lifthill scared me.
They built a volcano around the helix several years ago. They also tore down the extra metal work where they were going to build the falls
i think you forgot the ninja at six flags st. louis, possibly some others but otherwise loved your video
Ah Dragon Mountain, the first coaster I went on with an inversion. Line was so short I went on almost a dozen times.
Oh yeah I love arrow loopers their classic, fun, sometimes brutal but still awesome coasters
the fact that a canadian coaster has made #1 has made me very happy
Dragon Mountain was originally made to be the longest roller coaster in the world, and at the time she was.
Canyon blaster the ride is smooth and has a runaway feel to it.
Yes I am still thanking you for the dinner reminder
I am still thanking you for helping the algorithm
I need to get on more arrow loopers
RIP Canobie Corkscrew :(
Will there ever be one giant By The Numbers video:
Which of coaster credits of Airtime Thrills has the most Prime Ride Time?
4:07 I'm sorry, but what the actual heck are those trains I'm looking at
Hahah yeah there's too much going on in the front
I’m going to cedar point and I’m gonna be repping ur merch while I’m there 👍
Nice!
when i went to cp this year and marathoned SV i wore “don’t staple me bro” and the ops listened, and on top of that the mid course was off
There's a rumor that Marineland could be closing for development. With the controversy with animals, low attendance and Canada's hardline coronatarianism, I can't say that I'll be surprised if that rumor is true.
I'd heard they're getting sold yeah. Not closing forever, but it's set to at least be changing hands, and then they'll probably remodel the park away from animal attractions (at least I hope that's what happens)
i didn’t know arrow made so many corkscrews and similar rides
People may trash on these now a days but my first inverting big kid coaster was Python on BG tampa and made me love coasters
7:30 bruh, even Alan Schilke said that wasn't what put the final nail in the coffin, it just drained their resoures; they could have recovered if the fishhook coaster that was supposed to go to Vegas had gone through, but because that got shut down, and so did they
Final nail in their coffin, drained their resources to the point where they had to declare bankruptcy while they were trying to fix it...seems like we're splitting hairs
@@AirtimeThrills hairs aren't being split, askim yourself (27:30) th-cam.com/video/0f5wb8sbEdY/w-d-xo.html
Cga is my home park and demon has been HAULING LATELY
Rolling X train, the coaster which everyone rides just once and move onto marathon T-express.
Viper @ SFDL is at my home park and I don't think I'd want to take those corkscrews at full speed, also they give great hangtime right before you hit tunneled helix.
I miss Vortex and the original Steel Phantom (it would beat you like your drunk step dad, but there was nothing like in in the world)
Yeah I remember that batwing on Vortex it was rough and intense m.
I love looping coasters 🎢🎢
Back when I started watching coaster channels, I kept hopefully waiting for mention of the park I visited growing up.... but nothing. Then I did some digging and discovered that the coasters which utterly thrilled me as a kid were really nothing special in the larger scope. Besides which, turns out the park itself shares its fairly generic name with many others across the continent.
So imagine my surprise when, at 5:45, I hear a reference to the recently closed "Corkscrew at Playland" - yup. There it is. I rode that one its opening year and for many years after, and am happy it's been helpful for the purpose of this video.
Great list! 🎢🍍
Rip corkscrew at playland, famous forever for Final Destination 3
Dragon Mountain, located in the center of Animal Hell, AKA Marineland.
Demon at sfga is the best
No questions asked
That's it that's all!
Canyon blaster must’ve really been hauling when I rode it in 2020 October we rode towards the end of the night on a Saturday with a full train and I timed it and canyon blaster clocked in at 24 seconds from lift hill to brakes