Crowd funding - a way to exploit the well-meaning and gullible?
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- Crowd funding sites may be exploiting people's well-meaning charity, and people's self-aggrandising virtue-signalling. Beware!
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I was made aware of Water Seer because many of my Facebook friends were 'liking' it. I saw the crowd-funding campaign's video on Indigogo and immediately felt that something was fishy. I may be wrong - perhaps this is a legitimate project that might do some good, but to me it looked like a useless project. Here I use my freedom of speech to make not an accusation, but a warning to potential backers to stay alert and to question the value of a project, and not be bamboozled by the trappings of charity into thinking that a project that promises lot of free stuff to poor people in the Third World must be a good thing to invest in.
Possibly Water Seer is a knowing scam, or possibly it is something put together by self-deluded but well-intentioned people. You decide.
The invention here is so simple, that if it worked, I suspect that they might have had invented them thousands of years ago.
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This is ridiculous, I saw those working just fine on uncle Owen's farm on Tatooine.
they were destroyed by stormtroopers after you left....
Rolf Hartmann i saw them on the planet arakkis 1st...
looool
The water on Arakkis, comes from the bodies of the fallen, hence the term "take their water." Deathstills, and people jerky.
You forget that Tatooine, unlike earth, has different gravitational properties due to it being a sphere unlike the earth which is well understood to be flat.
They are probebly just using Katana technology to seperate water from the air
saveusbloodymess u mean katara?
saveusbloodymess Surely firing bullets from a Spandau would heat it up immensely?
saveusbloodymess "katana fanclub" -lindybeige
I take it no one got my katara joke?
Well, Katrina caused a lot of flooding,
so I guess Katana could as well
30 people turned their monitor upside down to like the video a second time.
Nice name you're sporting there. :-)
Thank you :)
should have squoze "back scabbard" in there somewhere...
It's basically like Thunderf00t's response without the thermodynamic calculations.
Hannibal cough Hannibal
Has he posted any news of that btw?
@@markuskristensen2433 nope kek
@@LazarusWilhelm oof
Gravity light has been replaced by nowlight. You pull a cord for one minute and it will light up for 2 hours or charge a phone for 15 minutes.
Could you make more movie review thingies where you point out flaws? The few that you've done have been hilarious
Somehow visiting a poor destabilized African nation at the referral of a scammer sounds like a bad idea.
Phew, for a horrible minute I thought you were going to say gravity lights were a fraud.
This is the greatest episode of kickstarter crap I've ever seen
Ceiling light still on.
Unsubbed.
whats wrong with that? I mean he makes video and you need lighting for that
Watching Lloyd doing his videos in one take to me is a big reason for subbing :) I don't agree with half he says, but I deeply admire his conversation and presentation skills. Try talking off the cuff about some random topic like crowd funding for 15 minutes without notable pauses and/or uhhhs yourself and see how hard it really is, then watch Lloyd doing it seemingly effortlessly.
Wy Vern i know, i also can't stand overhead lighting indoors
***** FITE ME!!!!
MrN1c3Guy100 *[THE JOKE]*
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Update: Thunderf00t has found they are now selling a rebranded plug-in dehumidifier bought from China and sold for a thousand dollars more... this outfit is an outright con.
Dehumidifiers DO NOT produce potable water. The water they produce is full of viruses, bacteria, pollen, dust and dirt. Not safe for drinking untreated.
@@rickdees251 the funny thing is that to protect themselves they have a few sentences saying that it needs more filtering
@@rickdees251 And the salt they use in these is often caustic or toxic.
@@mark1A100 You think they would include a filter in the enclosure.
@@JohnDlugosz that would require actual engineering skils and effort
I once saw a prototype working, but it was heavily guarded by a tribe armed with spandaus and fire arrows.
Dear God! You're lucky you made it out alive!
Aaescii I had a Katana, so I could cut the bullets and escape :)
Isaac Alonso fire arrows don't really work
are those people berserkers ?
Isaac Alonso did they have anything to shoot the arrows with or did they just have the arrows by themselves?
Water Seer can collect up to 11 gallons of water during a rainy day in a rain forest, if placed directly underneath one of those funnel-shaped leaves.
Water Seer can collect up to 11 gallons of water if placed under Niagara Falls.
you can collect up to 11 gallons of water if placed under a runnning water tap!
Up to 11 gallons of water if submerged in a lake, river or any other dihydromonoxide container.
Water Seer can collect up to 11 gallons of water if around 60 africans take a leak directly into it 3 times a day.
Vyse Arcadia 60 times 3 is 180... 11 galons divided by 180 is 0.06111 galons, which means each leak is 7.8 fluid ounces... that actually seems pretty accurate!
kickstarter crap, Lindybeige edition.
KSTV :^)
this coment has more likes than my videos :(
actually kickstarter has better control over their projects than indiegogo.
as far is i known you need to have a working prototype for such a campaign.
Tuví Holy shit! :D
+Tuví That comment made me laugh and earned you another subscriber to your channel. You can thank me later when you've become famous. :-)
The "Prototype" is a $100 De-humidifier they bought at Walmart.
Young lady, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
The laws of thermodynamics do not apply to computer graphics of the Waterseer!
As for me and my house we follow the Lord.
Is that Lord Kelvin?
UFBMusic Thanks for the laugh. Pop Culture references go right over the heads of some people.
Damnit lisa, stupid perpetual motion machine
I can't help but imagine Lindy as one of the following every time I see him:
•A Benedictine monk
•A Lord/noble
•Smeagol (sorry, but its the eyes)
•A Victorian engineer
•A Mount & Blade character
Definitely a Mount and Blade character. One of the snarky ones.
I'LL DRINK FROM YOUR SKULL
You better not be a manhunter
Victorian Steampunk Engineer and Lord
Lord Loydd of the House of Lindy-Beige
HOLY SHIT THIS KILLED ME
Best episode of Kickstarter Crap ever.
indiegogo* lets hope idubbz finds this in time lol
Lloyd's taking it to another level. He's actually going to visit the place to film it and expose the project. It's Indiegogo/Kickstarter Crap + Content Cop all in one.
David McCormick "... an smarty pants..."
really?
Ormand Jammer
Idubbbz*
a lot of good shit has come out of bigger sites like kickstarter ...but yeeea you better be careful on what you decide to fund. Support me on patreon BTW.
Lindybeige: I think... Its a SCAM!
Me: No way... what kind of moron would fall for a scam like that... *hides receipt behind back*
was your receipt for Lindybeige's kickstarter for "In Search of Hannibal"? In that case I certainly would be embarassed
@@EvMund did he ever release that book in the end?
@@dougalbadger4918 It is still being worked on, somehow
Skepticism should be taught in schools. Too bad America's school systems are doing precisely the opposite.
BlackEpyon on the other hand when some kids do it they become utter twats. questioning every word the teacher says and then making massive fusses when they are asked to do anything
JoeRingo the Secondary School Edgemaster
It's very hard to be unbiased, but i'd say in Europe we are slightly better in "nuancing" controversial topics. I can be wrong though.
And now that Devos is in charge, I don't think America will have (public) schools in a few years :)
Hey joeRingo but look at whats happening to america right now WTF is happening over there.
Show me someone who claims he's free of ideology and I'll show you a naive idiot. The main purpose of schools is to indoctrinate kids into "happy, productive members of society". The real question is if the ideology is any good and does what it promises.
Solar freaking road ways
"what are those?"
"they're solar freaking roadways!"
"whoa!"
+evan448
Bad example. They've already been proven to work.
I'm not talking about the weirdo American product though, I'm talking about the Dutch version by Imtech and Ooms Engineering. Yields are roughly around 51% using traditional convertors, and at least 62% using a DC localised smartgrid.
Why else do you think Thunderfoot keps silent on that despite several people sending him the documents with the numbers?
He didn't silence on it. He linked EEVblog's video because that guys is an actual electrical engineer and he already did 2 videos crunching numbers on that solar side walk already. He compared the solar side walk with the rooftop solar panel a few street away from it and the number never lies.
Solar road/sidewalk work, but not efficiently he said it again and again many times do you even watch his videos?
We should worry about putting solar panels on the roads once we've ran out practical places to put them.
ikr
Have you been watching thunderf00t?
David Hay have you ever seen him and thunderf00t in the same room? thunderf00t is an america though
Wait... is thunderf00t Lloyd's super hero persona?
Alistair Shaw Isn't Thunderf00t a British guy living in the Czech Republic?
No? He lives in the Uk
Autism is Uncontrollable I could have sworn he said something about living in Europe during Brexit whenever his detractors said he only cared about Britain's science budget
first result for waterseer: "busted"
first result for gravity light: "how it works"
this speaks for itself
Cool pfp
Lindybeige Thunderf00t collab soon???
Олег Оленев
please 😍😍😍
Олег Оленев that'd be great
please no. That guy is annoying.
I feel they'd have a difference of opinion on climate change.
Please, no. Thunderfoot is too toxic.
Thank you. I'll start crowd-founding for a new way to place satellites in orbit, but placing the satellite in a basket, chaining two griffins to it, and placing a dead sheep on a stick tied to the basket, such that the stick holds the sheep just a bit over where the length of the chain allows the griffins to reach. So the griffins will keep flying up trying to get the dead sheep, all the way to Earth's orbit. The basket then drops the satellite, and since there is no atmosphere, the griffins still chained to the basket fall back down to Earth.
For a contribution of US$ 95.95 I'll send you a complimentary basket.
And please do not fall for the Unicorn-powered baskets. They don't work. It is a scam!
Crows aren't exactly a demographic flush with cash. Maybe buttons, and some string.
I am nothing save a man of logic and I spot no inconstancies at all. My money is yours if you name your two Griffin's David & Goliath.
This needs more likes
I am going to start a crowd-funding campaign to get Bob Barker come and steal your Griffins and set them free, also your dead sheep. After all it worked to get him to steel the Elephants from the Toronto Zoo and move them to a disease ridden compound in the USA where they died of disease.
Absolutely Brilliant
Why you didn't get many likes
invisibility magic
This will tick over to 2 years soon
Hello!
@@mrmoth26 Hello
"Kilogrammies" Lindybeige 2017
Weight of 1 liters of europen water.
yeah, i was like "WTF!!" but it's perfectly excusabe in a continuous shot
Kylo Grammys.
@@JohnSmith-ox3gy of one grammy award trophy
@@mirzaahmed6589 Kyle-o'grannys
no Liindybeige, you just put in deliberate mistakes to amuse us all
We all know he's perfect
Have you seen the state of his pots though?
But he doesn't masturbate over katanas!
You're butthurt, because you donated a hundred dollars to bullshit.
What Liindybeige said makes sense.
Yup. This is exactly the kind of "foreign aid" that gives everything else a bad name. I know a few people in the "bringing clean water to Africa" business, and the problems they struggle with are _a lot_ more elementary. For example:
- Stuff that gets built with modern technology can't be maintained without modern technology. Spare parts run out, pipes rust, cement cracks, and in a few months the whole installation is worthless.
- If there's anything of value, people will steal it. It's just a fact of life, and poor people can't usually afford the luxury of thinking about morals and the community.
- When there's water somewhere, the richer people in the community will bring their livestock there to graze. Then the animals pee all over the place, and the water is polluted.
What they actually need aren't cool gadgets that look good in a computer animation. They need the kind of tech that worked for the Romans, because it can be maintained by a bunch of illiterate people using stuff they can produce locally, and it doesn't contain parts that wear down, need to be replaced, or are worth stealing.
Autolykos what they need is to help themselves. Poor people cant afford the luxury of thinking about morals, do you understand what you just wrote? Read it again and think about what you wrote.
@@willnill7946 I've been in the position where I had no income and was too proud to ask my dad or the government for help, and I did some minor ethical no-no's, because I believed it was what I needed to do to not feel hungry. I can only imagine that my no-no's might have increased in magnitude and frequency if I really had been abjectly poor with no prospect of improvement by 'honest' means. Necessity makes creative can be translated to poor makes opportunistic, and ethically somewhat indifferent.
Roman thecnolegy if faar superior than that of africa
@Dave Richardson oh you know the usual minor stuff for which the statute of limitations has passed. Petty theft, distributing controlled substances, receiving untaxed wages
@@nicolaiveliki1409, sketch.
Dear lindybiege,
This is a letter of complaint about your mud hut kerosene lamp fume comment. Nowadays the grass huts suffer the most from kerosene lamps and that's mostly from catching fire. I myself have never had any issues with the fumes in my huuuuuuuuuuujjjkkm.
Sorry got a little lightheaded there for a bit on account of my allergies.
Sincerely,
Mr. Huffingtons of carbon monoxide
Dear Lindybeige,
I would like to complain about you allowing commenters to leave letters of complaint in your comment section, particularly concerning personal anecdotes about how they themselves have not experienced a problem of some kind. I myself do not tolerate letters of complaint in my own comment sections, and therefore have never experienced this problem.
Sincerely,
Brigadier General Doctor Professor Sir William Gabriel Buxomley-Snyde III. Sr., Esq. (deceased)
P.S. AAAAAHHHHHH!
Is this channel turning into the educational section of Monty Python?
Dear Lindybeige,
I would like to state my most serious complaint on the current state of discussion in your comment section. First of all the plena titulo commenters fail to properly use their titles, honours and post-nomial letters, which makes it quite difficult to properly respond to their insane claims. I myself do not respond to any comments to avoid confusion. I suggest using "splunge" as an group acronym for all one's titles.
Sincerely,
Sir Splunge Thomas "Tom" Tiptopton, OBE, Ret., Etc. (Dame)
PS. Raindrops keep falling on my head...
you're a funny fekker. .......in your mind.
I've got a ,more realistic pitch for crowd funding
Send me money
Why?
I deserve it!
"How dare you" says a Swedish box
His videos are like a throwback of everything that was good with old TH-cam.
Ps. I absolutely love your videos, wealth of info, structure and style etc. informative and entertaining. Thank you :)
Just change a single word and it makes sense. It's a money condensator.
Next project of Waterseer: they land on the sun and because they are quite clever, they go there at night, when the sun is turned off.
Didn‘t see that coming, huh?
@Carlos Sibaja Polish joke c. 1965
They stole that idea from AOC
Well don't worry, with their Waterseer, they'll have plenty of water on the sun!
this did not age well with In Search of Hannibal
i want a lindybeige and idubbbztv collaboration so bad now...
Lol, how many people are there who watch Lindybeige AND idubbbz? :D it must be a pretty small niche, but I'm glad it exists :D
BU- BU- BUT EYEDOOBS!
Jules Woodbury damn, they actually look quite alike, don't they? At least, it was quite easy for me to imagine Lloyd saying "i'm gay" while squatting and wearing a lime swimsuit.... oh boy.
the more and more i think about it, the more it actually sounds like a terrible idea. The camera has to be miles away to capture both of their faces (you know because lloyd is a giant and ian is a malnourished dwarf) and also there'll be like 10 people who would watch this.
Really though there would be quite a few who see it thinking "what is this, I click on it now" and watch it from both channels
I used to design and managed crowdfunding campaigns. The problems you outline here are the reason I got out of that business. Thanks for keeping the light of truth burning--even if we must list a few kiliogrammes each time. ;)
Michael Jenkins
kilograms are amazing, I myself own a few :)
They didn't show simulations, what they had were animations.
Spot on! That bit slightly vexed me, too!
They showed a simulation of a scenario which happened to be animated. It was still a simulation..
James Mcnavery, a simulation would have actual math being done in the background. An animation is just some form moving graphics and doesn't follow rules like a simulation. If they had done a simulation then they would have known that their idea wouldn't work.
Indeed, a simulation is a way to model a system with inputs that you can change, it is not defined by having something to look at. What happens when a cannon ball is fired out of a cannon? Well let's simulate it with our kinematic equations to find the range for specific angles!
+Zablock Awesomeguy
Not necessarily. If they made a simulation based on a realistic model of physics, and with reasonable starting conditions, then yes, it would show that the idea won't work. But if they were to use a bad model or unrealistic starting conditions, then the simulation could lead to either totally random conclusions, or it's even possible to make a simulation that will "prove your hypothesis", no matter how ridiculous the hypothesis is.
A very pertinent video given the current circumstances of your own crowdfunding project.
Thunderf00t also made a video about them, If i remember correctly what he proved is that in the best possible conditions the Water Seer produces 1 liter per week. And That's if it works.
Not to mention, wouldn't bugs and dirt go into the water seer? Yeah as still water is clean.
1 liter a week (in a very humid environment) sounds like a number from Fontus debunk, not Water Seer. I could be mistaken though.
maybe, its been too long so i could have gotten them mixed up?
I love how he doesn't have any jumpcuts
That's one of the things that I hate about Shad's videos, the constant jumpcuts, it seems like there's a jumpcut every other word. Another bad one is Kristin Joy Weiss, love her videos but they're full of annoying jumpcuts, but I think they've gotten better.
What are the other things? Let me guess: repeating himself, bad audio quality and pretentiousness?
No, those really don't bother me that much, it's his general goofiness and (for lack of a better term) nerdgasms that bother me more. When he keeps his videos a little more serious with delving into the goofy or nerdiness that he tends to get in into I really enjoy his videos, that's except for the constant jumpcuts.
who's shad?
+Tuna The Human Shadversity on TH-cam
Better to start with the assumption that any fundraising campaign is a scam. Then try to prove it isn't a scam before considering giving it your support.
Shhhhh, don't tell people that. Parting fools and their money is capitalism at its finest.
"I thought you could use the water in the air?"
"There is no water in this air!"
Balto Flyer amazing reference:’)
Soo, this organic rice monorail ... where can we buy into that ?
in Springfield, Shelbyville, or North Haverbrook.
It may not function at all, it might be impossible even just in theory to have a monorail made of rice. But if you CAN have one, then THIS one is organic! So I'll throw 50 in, just in case. Better than one of those awful pesticided fertilisered rice monorails they might possibly want to have, those Monsanto bastards.
Oh you two bloody bastards, I had happily forgotten about this, and not thought about it for two years - And now you necro my old post !! 🤣
Mono means one.
Rail means rail.
Lindy, most of us africans don't live in fucking mud huts. wtf man xD
You dont? My worldview is slowly crumbling apart!
But some do and they don't have electricity, or am I wrong?
Bart Bouwman no you aren't. but Africa's rich live in much more developed cities than we normally see in the west
Most.. This is probably for the ones who actually do
If you're talking about the primitive tribes then sure but they are extremely extremely few. Everyone have electricity and lights in all the villages I ever visited.
Two things that don't mix together: the internet and critical thinking.
Actually the device is an allegory of the scam in question, it's so poetic:
1. contributors loaded with money are siphoned into the tubes through you tube.
2. They enter a dark and cold hole in the ground where their money is concentrated to the scammers bank accounts "vanishing into a black hole".
3. then they are ejected and discarded by the other people rushing in since "it's too good not to be real" - "all that matters is that I'm happy & cool".
Oh, they do mix perfectly together. One of the best ways to find all the scams and learn to never trust anything (without good proof) is to google anything.
In fact, internet is much better at teaching critical thinking, than it is at providing factual information.
sporegnosis The first bit is a bit harsh. I mean, without the Internet actually having critical thinking, neither Shad, Skall nor Metatron would've made videos saying that MatPat was shit. I mean, we knew that already anyways, but still.
When colour TV started in Australia, I remember seeing an add in the TV guide that was selling a 'special spray' for 10 dollars (expensive) which you sprayed on your antenna and this would make your black and white set operate in colour hehe. Apparently it did have the effect of making a greenish blurry hue on the screen.
And Thunderf00t also debunked the WaterSeer.
Thunderfoot has an excellent video where he debunked the hell out of the "Water Seer". That thing would never in a million years function in the way that they claim.
I feel like he may have seen it. He must have done some research, and it's hard to miss tf00ts video in doing so.
That said, not all YTube viewers may have seen it.
Mshojat Yeah, well, as you see in his (thunder) follow-up video, the claimants responded to his video, saying a load of nothing (at least as far as the thermodynamics and actual science goes).
Thing is, Thunderf00t made major errors in both the math and science behind it. Water vapor and steam are vastly different animals and the thermodynamics actually work once you understand that. The problem is (like Lindy mentions) you eventually start to remove the moisture from the base of the bulb because warm air with a low humidity tends to evaporate water. The bulb would need time to cool after each run otherwise you would lose the cooling effect quite quickly.
The real problem is this: The thing is designed to get water from the air, but they want it to work as a condenser. But they want to stick it in regions that are arid. These regions have very little water in the air TO condense. That would be the main failure of the device on top of the evaporation problem. I don't believe that the thing would even be able to condense enough moisture OUT of the air to even get a drop into it. Unless they ran it during the rainy season, and in that case, there's water pouring down anyway. You can't condense moisture out of dry air.
Actually it is possible to condense water out of air with as little as 25% humidity if the temperature is high (100F reduced to 60F) but as you get colder the humidity needs to be higher. At 70F you need 50% humidity to condense water out of the atmosphere at a 50F. Again, the real issue is running warm dry air over cool moist air. The warm air is going to absorb the moisture and lose some temperature while the cold moist air is going to gain some temperature and lose moisture. If you captured an amount of air and condensed it without releasing it or adding warm air to it then you would have a working idea (think along the lines of ice buildup in a freezer). As it sits, without cooler than atmosphere airflow, you have no hope of condensing air at any temperature.
I'm tempted to donate enough money to the waterseer campaign so I can name one of the orchards "this is pee".
robo336 Lol! I wonder if 4chan is already on it...
L.O.L.
robo336 as
I love it! I was laughing so hard whilst trying to read your comment to my wife that I may have just made an inadvertent deposit into that particular WaterSeer you named....if I can get that turbine to wring out my skivvies....
I’ll name mine ‘Hitler’s Penis’
Lloyd, I screwed up. My wife has been wondering why I spend so much time laughing whilst watching your videos with headphones on. I had started trying to describe the videos and reading her some of the comments, but it has led to occasional bladder leakage -- I shant say for whom. So she has started watching them with me. Today I came home from the shop and she was watching one by herself; she looked at me, said, "This fellow is a riot! I love his voice and delivery. He's really smart, too." She looked back at the screen, and then asked casually, "Dear, where are our passports? Ya' know, we've never been to the U.K."
Lloyd, if you suddenly open your front door one day to a pretty blonde whom you don't know, but who introduces herself as Teri, please let me know.
Don't worry she can't separate him from his tanks at the tank museum where he lives in the TOG2*
Was she watching the video where Lloyd makes a case of why women should sleep with him? Then you're in trouble, mate.
@Paul What the actual fuck? Is this a copypasta? It should be.
@Paul Right on spot, man. I always get mad when they say "Europeans do this and that", as if all these countries had anything in common with each other.
I'm Italian, I know we got nothing in common with Germany, Spain, Switzerland, France and so on.
@@giampaolomannucci8281 Things in common: the currency? Which side of the road to drive on? Eat using forks? Even with individual differences among members, I think Europe is, as a whole, different from China, different from the USA, etc. in systematic ways.
"Anyway... Swords"
Still waiting for more weaponry/war tales lloyd !
this Monorail system sounds intriguing.
Is there a chance the water seer could bend?
yaziyo not on your life my Hindu friend
Another internet scam. When I was a boy, those scams were advertised in comic books, on the back pages.
Its so weird to me that that was a thing, that publishers were more than happy to print pages and pages of scams on comic books sold to children. Its disgusting.
I'm still waiting on my X Ray goggles from 1972!
Don't need em any more , all the girls are naked on the inner net anyway--
yeah fine, thats a scam, but more important:
Did he finish the rice monorail?
I'm just wondering if he turned off the ceiling light.
That's really more of a Shelbyville thing
@B Y “But what about us brain-dead slobs?”
I'm going to start a campaign to send divining rods Africa. it'll be cheaper and just as effective
That's what I was expecting when I heard the name "Water Seer"
Zizka Zenit hey, they work not for vodoo magic, but for finding burried underground lines be it electric or water.
Isn't that what perverts put in their pee holes?
Salvatore Shiggerino No that's r/sounding
I have to admit, the first time I read your comment I thought you meant "Rods from God" which was a proposed weapon system during the Cold War using highly dense tungsten rods in-orbit. The kinetic energy from one being launched toward the Earth (with NO EXPLOSIVES onboard) would compare to small, tactical nuclear bombs.
So basically, my first thought was "This guy wants to Kickstart a cure for Africa by killing everyone... Alright, you've peaked my interest. Let's hear his justification."
The ironical part is that first he warns us about the dangers of crowd funding and after that he recommends us to fund him on Patreon.
Edit: People already pointed out that there was no real irony. Pardon me for being an idiot.
is he withholding content to those who doth not cough up?
Not really they aren't remotely the same thing.
Wy Vern Of course not, I just pointed out the humour in that connection.
I understood completely his point and I don't have anything against his Patreon.
Wohvelivoro That's not ironic. His thing is educational aka no prototypes, no false promises, nothing similar except the fact that they want money. Check your definition of ironic
Jst4vdeos-Amway check yo stagin
This title didnt age well given you still havent publish The crowdfunded hannibal book.
True!
You really should revisit this subject now in 2019. :D
This reminded me of the Solar Roads, which yes I fell for until it was proven false.
The idea was that the roads would be made by solar cells, and making energy.
Mike Fluff , though a solar road is now being driven on, in Tourouvre au Perche in Normandy. arstechnica.com/cars/2016/12/worlds-first-solar-road-opens-in-france/
At an insane cost. Solar roads have got to be the dumbest idea in the history of ... anything. The disparity between the ideal properties of the surface of a road and the surface of solar panels is vast. You could put a roof over the road, loaded with solar panels angled for maximum exposure, and the cost and effectiveness would skyrocket. Or, I heard about people putting solar panels on the roofs of buildings. Do you think that might work?
originalhgc , I have solar panels on the roofs of three buildings. It does seem to work better than roads.
Just because you build something doesn't mean it works...
New insult: "My good sir, you are not terribly nice!"
This video did not age well
Why
I loved this video, but I'm sorry I have found that you cannot teach common sense. That is why the "useless rubbish" campaigns always make so much money. The people who you wish to reach with this video will never see it... that is unless you have cats with silly faces in the background. Those cats could be batting at shiny things, this will probably get you more views. This is in no way a knock at your content. I'm just saying that the intelligent people that are already watching this video probably already knew everything you said. So I guess what I'm really saying, is that you are not speaking to your audience here.
Real-world experience has a way of teaching common sense. Unfortunately, lots of people expend a lot of energy shielding themselves from real-world experience.
This is somthing that is sadly true this has alsoto dowhit people persenal media bubbel and this kind of info wil moost likly never ghet thrue
Common sense lacks universal standards...or any standards
Cool we now call common sense Inteligence
Probably right. I was half hoping to find some water seer victims in the comments..
i wonder how big the overlap is of Lindybeige fans and Idubbbz fans.
And people that have great taste in waifus
Swetcan me
Swetcan hello there
One here
I don't imagine that Venn diagram has much overlap, unfortunately enough.
As I read the comments of this video. I feel as if your message is falling on deaf ears.
The top comments are all asking for collabs.. How disappointing.
ColbOnTheCob I agree but i figure most people just didnt comment but understood
but ears of corn are also deaf
I remember falling for Solar Roadways. I backed it for $70, then investigated and thought better of it (obviously bunk), but it was too late to retract my bid. I got rid of the T-Shirt as soon as it arrived (donated to a thrift store), and I'm still disgusted with myself for being taken for such a fool.
Does anyone think this video is incredibly ironic given it's beeen 5 years 1 week since his own kickstarter launched and people still have nothing to show for it
If by funny you mean infuriating, then yes. The main page of the Kickstarter project for In Search of Hannibal still says "ESTIMATED DELIVERY Dec 2017".
And the latest update announcing that the multiple years delay isn't over starts with "Dear patient backers...". I am growing inpatient.
love you man, thanks for the incredible videos.
comrade clarence yep
Holy shit... Lindy meets Thunderf00t...
Beigef00t? Thunderbeige? The former sounds funnier, but the latter has a better ring.
Kill3rCat lindyf00t
Perhaps. Lol.
please don't
You will video
'the Waterseers in action'.
Or you will video
'the Waterseer's inaction'?
Ooooo, nice!
Hey Lindy, are we going to see the Hannibal comic you where making through crowd funding?
EXACTLY.
Initial investors are usually rewarded with stock certificates for taking the investment risk so they too may profit if successful.
Giving money to ventures without asking for equity is naïve. Most ventures fail. By definition.
Your money represents the fruits of your labor. Don't squander it.
This is. It the same as donating to an ESTABLISHED charity which is in place and functional giving support to others. Supporting operating costs of charities is important. That's why they're usually tax exempt.
Ventures on the other hand, are not. If successful, they may mean huge profits for the founders.
Now...if the venture is non-profit then perhaps that may be a good choice since to fund seed money without equity.
If it's a for-profit venture, then ask why they're not offing stock instead. Big. Red. Flag.
I bet it could work in Scotland.
LoL
no shortage of water in glorious scotland
I once lit a cigarette in Scotland. 5 minutes later 11 gallons of water had gathered around my lips.
Lindybiege seems to be a historian, not a scientist, yet he debunked Water Seer. Using secondary school science. The same level of science taught in all Western countries. Lindybiege should not be praised because he merely engaged his brain. Rather, those scammed by Water Seer should be ridiculed for not engaging theirs.
Oh no, we must take affirmative action so people start rattling the gears between the ears. Sadly, that is the state of the matter: Humans are generally lazy in the brain, not to say stupid
We All want to believe in something, it is human nature, sure we are standoffish to some extent, but there is a threshold where we WANT to believe in things even if they sound too good to be true, if for nothing else, but because we cling to the hopes of better world, and to say that if you give a little bit of your money, you can bring rainbows and happiness to to drought stricken places of the world... then so be it. They preyed on people´s good heart, and being gullible does not make a person "stupid" or uneducated, the things in this video are something that a good natured person may not take to heart while eating a pumpkin spiced muffin in the breakroom, they just pledged money "to be a good person"
@@gen-x_dude being gullible = being stupid
@@al-imranadore1182 That maybe, Matthew Greet here, thinks he's smarter then the rest of us, I call That stupid !
Shut up, Greet, you silly prat.
1:30 it is not a "computer simulation" but merely a "computer animation" (big difference!) ;-)
@@happyfase There's a major difference, though. A proper simulation can be used to show that a concept works, while an animation does whatever you want it to do.
@@romaliop exactly a simulation might work even better at changing your perception, you can tell people its a simulation showing proof of concept. Even though your simulation uses borderline fictional parameters
No Beige shirt? This channel is going to hell in a hand basket.
it's under the sweater, he does this commonly.
dont forget beige underwear
The world's gone mad. Take refuge.
THATS NOT BEIGE
ITS OFF WHITE
I have no idea why this video popped up in my feed, but I'm glad it did. Skepticism and military history? Great work and content! Subbed.
I said the same thing a month ago.
Crowd Funding is a scam. Please support my Patreon.
(I know he was only talking about certain specific crowd-funded projects)
Lol to those that supported in search of hannibal
Assume everything is a lie until you see proof.
do you have absolute proof that the earth is round?
everything in moderation, buddy
WesOfX do you have absolute proof that George Washington was real?
Eeeh, the earth's not round.
It's a spherical geoid.
Poldovico Which means it buldges at the edges right?
That's an ellipsoid, the rotational solid created by rotating an ellipse. A geoid is like an ellipsoid with a rough surface.
"Waterseer" uses no technology that wasn't available 1,000 years ago. How many 1,000-year-old water orchards are there in hot countries?
Actually there's such a thing as an "air well" that uses the night / day cycle to condense water and those can be pretty good. They're not based on nonsense though like this is.
The original Waterseer proposal was based around a statement something like "the temperature 2 metres below ground is always stable and cooler than the air above, through day and night". That is more or less true. Less so, when you're blowing kilowatts of heat into it all day. Then it stops being stable.
Maybe some sort of windmill-powered compressor thing to cool air and condense water would work. The problem would be getting it done on a level of technology that's maintainable. And also having it be more efficient than just running some pipes from somewhere.
Generally the middle of the scorching desert, you tend not to find people. Because it sucks there. People can only live near a supply of water. Bringing pots full of it into a hypothetical village built in the middle of a skin-roasting sandstorm, I can't think what even the point of that is. Like it's to "help some Africans" like a well-intentioned 3 year old might want to do.
Engineers need to solve real problems, and throwing money at unicorn farms doesn't help anybody. There are many many ways to help poor people in the world. Stupid pipe dreams not being among the best.
Might be good if people in rich countries understood poverty better.
I know what u mean Lloyd.. I almost got roped. Into scheme to produce a magazine about Hannibal.
@TomisHoare nope, He stole $200,000 USD off your former fans with that comic book scam.
He even gets away with it scot free, taking down Chris' reputation whilst he's at it.
Meanwhile he continues to operate an highly profitable youtube channel wherein the audience are totally unaware of his deceit.
He took the money and ran.
Just another scamming, thief / manipulator .
@@vonclaren1 are you being satirical here?
@@Andrew-yl7lm Quite serious, look into it. The broken promises, the lies, the stolen money. Disgusting deceitful behaviour
@@Andrew-yl7lm It is true! Idk if it was a purposeful scam but at best it's a huge blunder that will cost people money!
Wait so you're telling me that people who talk about feeding the poor can actually be emotionally manipulative charlatans?
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Idiot.
@@daryld4457 He's right though
How's the graphic novel coming along?
I have zero idea what naught means.
Ralph McMahan zero
naught literally means zero. Other synonyms include: null and nothing. It's a british thing to say.
It's not specifically a British thing to say because it also is said by people who are not in Britain nor British...
...get it?
Are you American? Do you ever use ought? Thinking about it, I never heard an American say it.
I remember watching one of Thunderf00ts great Busted videos about Waterseer few months ago.
You lie! I bought a Water Seer. It's scheduled for delivery a week after my Elio car.
Didn't get one. I'm afraid of heights.
@@jnichols3 Well you Can get that car then !
I saw Elio for what it was from day one. The car was technically possible, but the price advertised was so low that anyone who had ever bought a highway capable motorcycle knew this cost was pure fantasy. If this vehicle was actually produced the price would be closer to three times the advertised price. That should have tipped off everybody that there were no plans to produce this car.
travelling on the solar roadway
A sucker is born everyday. Nice to have that $300K+ they've raised already tho.
I'm sick of this cultural virtue signalling times, scams, half truths and outright false narratives are considered legit and good by both opportunists and naive people.
It's time to stop.
It will never stop. The sole concept of being human is based on the confidence in the fact that we are more than flesh and bones, a beneficial adaptation in the form of positive self delusion. Besides, even if you menage to avoid self delusion, the way we remember and feel about facts can never be the fact. In short: we cant handle the truth.
Robin Gilliver Its definitely not retarded. Pragmatism can give you truth, religion can give you happiness. Your choice.
Lindy you cool, but I wanna point out that there's a significant portion of crowdfunding that is actually super great, not exploitative at all, and an excellent platform for combatting cynical producer constraints on artists and developers. Pillars of Eternity, for example, is just about the most highly-polished product to ever come out of crowdfunding, and it's a top-down rpg game that blows all the current non-crowdfunded competitors of the same genre out of the water. So while, you're right, it's certainly a convenient way for unscrupulous individuals to squeeze money out of people, it's kind of disingenuous to make "Crowd-funding" the title of your video. It's totally unrepresentative of both good crowd-funded projects, as well as the people that create and operate the websites themselves, who have taken great pains to make fraudulent project-starters as liable as legally possible, should they prove to be fraudulent.
That is important to remember, as important really as remembering not to be scammed and to look at things critically.
Its still a shot in the dark. What about Mighty Number 9? That was crowdfunded and look how it turned up.
I've heared PoE is quite good, but I wont buy it or any newcoming Obsidian product. A company that pussies out and removes a tranny joke at the expense of its backers won't be getting any money from me.
Tides of Numenera has got my hopes up, however the quality of that will greatly depend on how much work did Avellone actually do with it.
For some reason, you made this huge comment without seeing any of the actual video. Literally two minutes in, there's an example of a good crowdfunded project. I wonder if you even saw the title, since you seem to think the video is called "crowd-funding".
"ow there is this thing called water seer, seems quite good to me!" Lindybeige 2018
As @Paul Harrell would say on his firearm videos, "Which one do you think is best? You be the judge." :)
Shit like this is why we need to prioritise scientific literacy.
Scientific education don't correlate to critical thinking. Scientists are just as gullible as anyone else.
The kind of people who naturally ask questions and explore things to find out how and why stuff works are just as gullible and willing to accept questionable things at face value, especially when they fly in the face of basic scientific principles, as non-scientifically inclined types are?
Right. I'm sure that sounds logical and is totally legit with no need to question such a statement...
Yeah, but there will be opposition to it. Pseudoscience is still part of society
It's nice to think of scientists as very clever hyper geniuses, but they aren't. They're just specialized in specific field of study. Remember that nurses are scientists, psychologists, accountants, farmers too. Most everything middleclass and up requires a level of scientific comprehension to perform.
The problem is that right and left brain thinking do not play nice with one another. Look at some of the sales training and masters of sales. They get you to focus solely on feeling and not critical thinking.
Doesn't matter how educated you are, you can be persuaded to do something ridiculous because of emotionally charged rallying. What people actually need to do is get in touch with their inner sociopath if they want to avoid scams. Yeah, some downsides there, but that's the reality.
its a metric funny thing.
20 bags of sugar man. it's not diffcult
You are so right Lloyd! I almost got scammed by a charming fellow pitching me a Hannibal Book.
I trust him to deliver
Oh, the irony of this video. 🤨
BUT A POOR, HELPLESS, INNOCENT CHILD DIES EVERY 90 SECONDS FROM NO WATER!!!
I love how they started off their campaign page with that delightful tidbit. PEOPLE ARE DYING! Let me show you my cool new piece of infallible tech!
Be Honored at the Annual Waterseer Awards Ceremony?! OH MY GOD! That's *SO* worth $5000! Do you have any idea how prestigious that ceremony is? Time Magazine has called it the Nobels of Well-wishers! It's so prestigious... that nobody's ever actually been there. Nor has it really ever happened.
Seriously, though, what the honest fuck is that supposed to mean? They set up an entire annual awards ceremony? For... what exactly? Why? What are they actually honoring? What awards do they give out? Why does anyone even care, even if it does exist?
You missed one thing. It's wind powered... but they say it works even without wind.
... Yup. It's powered by the magical farts of unicorns tended to by Gandalf himself.
Also, the ground *could* cool it like that, but they're forgetting that these areas have HOT, *DRY* AIR!!! NOT HUMID!
Even so, you could still get water from that air as there is still some humidity content in it, around 30 to 40 percent. And a dew trap would work, but it would have to be REALLY big to produce 11 gallons a day.
CockatooDude But the amount you'd have to cool air from arid regions like those is, 85% of the time, impossible for the ground temperature to recover much at all, if any. Though the idea would work perfect in any temperate or humid environment fairly reliably.
Notice I said dew trap, it works on a completely different principle. When the air cools down overnight and condenses, it forms dew, even in areas with pretty arid air. It's actually a pretty well known survival technique. So if you made a really large one, about 20 to 30 feet high and maybe 20 feet in diameter with a collection point at the bottom, you could get daily usable amounts of water from it.
CockatooDude Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot to comment on that. That's already a thing and is used where necessary already. This thing says it's more effective than a dew trap, or at least promises to be by saying it's the best thing ever. But the fact that it's almost certainly not even better than the normal, widely-known method of collecting atmospheric water is how you know it's a bad idea, especially when it costs something, and dew traps virtually nothing.
The monorail should be made out of brown rice...I know you said it is "organic", but if it is polished, I don't think it will work very good. Everybody knows brown rice has more fiber, and things with fiber are stronger...like fiberglass is really strong....so I will only donate money to the monorail if you make it out of brown rice!
In Search of Hannibal?
I guess we didn't think for ourselves either. "Does the writer have any prior experience in comic book writing? Is he known for his orderly and disciplined way of working?" 😂 Thankfully, the project is now finally in the hands of the artist, who actually makes a living with this 👏
Last Update in January, with more or less precise numbers on how much is done.
It's in the artist's hands now, but I guess he has to Also do some other work that brings in his money
Like collecting funds to make a comic book about Hannibal that does'nt exist
Back in my unscrupulous days & before easy internet access decades ago, my friend & I used to dress preppy (wearing the local highschool colors) & go door 2 door saying we're raising money for our "highschool orchestra" (even though we had already graduated.) We even found the actual highschool's schedule of performances & made flyers @ Kinkos so we looked even more convincing. We would do this 2x a month hitting a new neighborhood each time. While no individual ever donated more than $40, it added up quickly. Looking back now as a mature law-bidding adult 😇, it shocks me how easy it was to fool the average person. I'd say maybe 1/20 ppl had enough commonsense & critical thinking skills to question us & not "donate." This is just a digital version w/ a similar structure. Believability & pulling @ heart strings will always empty the wallets of suckers.
DangerMou$e Thumbs down.
There's a lot of dumb people out there willing to listen to anything. I'm convinced now that at least 50% of all people in the US are not self-aware. They just do what they were programmed to do by their parents, their religion, n social media etc. As long as they're approached within the confines of their borrowed values, say for example under the pretense of god or a valued media icon, people will donate/whatever in droves. Televangelists and many others have proven this.
@@willnill7946 woah way to bring race into this, you bigot