@@pychohobo1832 It's embarrassing if anyone sees my youtube recommendations, you'd think I was a gun hoarding flat earther who believes satellites aren't real. Maybe it's my fault for being curious about other people's beliefs.
@@pychohobo1832 Yup, you got it right on. My wife thinks I'm a mad conspiracy nut job because I have to go and be nosey, you know. All a sudden every recommended is about cops beating on people, gun nuts, UFO cover ups and all I wanted was to look "over the fence" so to speak.
@@pychohobo1832 Makes me laugh, I wasn't notified that you'd replied, if not for my last reply being highlighted today (Thank you Lindybeige) I probably wouldn't have ever known. What TH-cam does and doesn't notify anyone of seems to changing, most of the channels I'm subscribed to no longer notify me of new content, even with the bell icon highlighted. I think the "people" at TH-cam have become so accustomed to their success, that they think they can now sit back after giving AI Bots control of the whole thing, whether they realise it, or not they've created a Frankenstein monster. I'm not quite a silver surfer (yet), but I have been using TH-cam for a very long time and it's definitely not acting as it should, or used to, whether or not there's a conspiracy there.... I'll have to leave to someone else to make a vlog about :) I do agree and sympathise with you, it's a very frustrating time and confusing because so many people can have a view and also a say. In the past you were spoon fed news from several different outlets and people had to choose to go with one, or another based on personal views etc. Now there are quite literally hundreds of thousands of differing viewpoints and outlets none of which are bound by some higher law to insure that they only report the truth, or facts. It's simply the most confusing era I've ever lived through, or know of. Like a Garden of Eden filled with a multitude of Eve's all offering different sizes, colours and varieties of apples... Sorry, I'm not religious, I just had that image in my head. Anyway thanks for the reply, I hope you have a good day, best wishes mate.
I came here to say it’s not ridiculous, but seeing that comment has been made, honestly? It is ridiculous to the bone to wear 1.that hat 2.inside 3.in Britain.
Dealing with bots are infuriating! I submitted a review on Amazon and my review was rejected because I used the word bullshit in the review. The title of the book? "The Bullshit Machine".
Koreans with the last name Ng sometimes anglicize their name to W. This causes them monumental headaches, since computerized forms simply refuse to accept a last name with one letter, insisting that they provide their full last name instead of an initial. It means getting everything from a credit card to a driver's license is a pain in the ass.
That's what Google will say, but my understanding is that *nobody* can prevent someone else from filing a lawsuit (which is both good and bad). Terms of Service always try to scare and intimidate people into not suing, but none of that really means anything. On the other hand, it takes more than just filing a lawsuit to actually get any resolution, and filing isn't cheap either.
You can sue Google, there's nothing stopping that. But can you spend as much money on lawyers as they can? They don't have to win, they just have to stall until you quit.
ben wilkins It's not YT, it's their bot, the demonetization bot, they can't control it, they just seem to be under the impression that, since it's a neural network that can learn, everything will sort itself out by the end.
probably they realize that if half of youtube disapear over night, the big youtubers will get scared and migrate as well, killing youtube, so they will start killing from the botton and slowly, so as to try and get people to ignore what they are doing.
They got your e-mail, they got your youtube, they got your google sheets, they got your apps (Android, google play). They are... everywhere, and it's not scary at all.
"Hold out the begging bowl" Uh, Lindy, it's not begging. You are providing entertainment (with time and effort spent on it), for which it would be your right to demand payment. I as a consumer feel only slightly guilty for consuming it for free (considering that as a university student I don't have much to spend), but don't you DARE feel guilty for asking.
It's scary knowing how much money TH-cam gets from Lloyd(or any video provider) compared to whatever meager amount they *feel like* doling out to him... 😓
From the sounds of it, TH-cam doesn't need to get hit with a petition, but with a class-action lawsuit... make them produce all these algorithms and justify their positions in court.
Usually when people take up the habit of wearing hats they first go for something more subtle like a cap or a beanie for example. But not our Lloyd. No. He goes straight to the hardcore stuff :D... Wonder what will be next? a fez? a turban? a propeller hat?
Thank you Lloyd for breaking down the life of a YT'er. One should also note that Google, has the same power over many websites. If they simply removed a company's URLs from SERPs (Search Engine Result Page) the results would be catastrophic for that company. Google/TH-cam by becoming the defacto place to go for Searches/Videos are leveraging a huge amount of power over companies and people. With great power comes great....
indeed, google are getting too big for their boots, it won't last forever tho, nothing does. They used to be a nice company, now not so much, some of their decisions have been extremely questionable.
While they will loss profit from not being in google's serp, however, their are other search engines they can go with and when using them they yield different serp listings. So if they (google) get too happy with removing too many companies then they might loss their spot of top search engine used by people.
Yamadiyoo well, i can tell you that the vast majority of companies already dislike google but they have no choice but to rely on google for traffic. It's the consumers which need to stop using google, not the companies.
The problem with TH-cam is that there's so many people making videos that they think that you're entirely expendable. They can treat you like garbage because there's so many other people making content.
We accomplished nothing. TH-cam will take its sweet time making his videos watchable again, if they ever do, and likely even longer remonetizing them, if they ever do. They still won't give any explanation, apology, or compensation for their actions. A few months from now, the same will happen to another channel, or possibly a group of channels to keep the publicity down. In this case, Lindy, Schola, Shad, and Skall made a stink about this. If they hadn't, do you think Thrand would have gotten his channel back? Until laws get passed which force Google to monetize all videos equally, regardless of content, this kind of shit won't stop. Google and the companies providing their ad revenue aren't reasonable players with reasonable power, and thus dealing with them requires unreasonable measures.
I'm really glad that you, Lloyd, made a video on this subject. I know that a lot of other TH-camrs have made similar videos and hopefully if enough people voice their concerns on the issue TH-cam will have to change for the better.
Considering that in all the years I've been watching his videos, I can't remember him saying a single rude word, yeah, I would've thought he was pretty safe.
He wrote 'plonkers' in this video. ;-) Seriously, though. Who on earth would be offended by a nerd who makes linen armor and sing and dance? My mind revolts at the thought of an actual person who could be so scared they consider Lindy controversial.
Moondogg22 Well like he said. It’s dumb bots and dumb people that control this kind of stuff. So small things like words associated with “war” could fuck him over. Another thing is he had criticized the hivemind of man-made climate change which is very dangerous to do with all the hivemind marxist “liberals” around these days.
I've seen this weird algorithm/bot screw over channels. Mainly it seems to be because of the inclusion of weapons to any degree. I've seen channels get shut down for including weapons, even for educational purposes. I've seen channels get demonetized for videogame footage containing guns. Videogames! 3d models of weapons are apparently too much according to google. And I'm glad you're pointing out that channels like yours, Skallagrim's and so on provide content which is for a small, but very passionate niche which would otherwise not have this type of content.
TH-cam has monopoly so they think they are god. They only look at their own earnings and paying you less and less will increase their income more and more. But there are international laws concerning monopoly.... Perhaps TH-camrs should work together and start looking for a specialized lawyer - As you mentioned, TH-camrs should also bring videos on other services than TH-cam and advertise here that this video can also be seen on the other channel. Somehow you have to break TH-cams monopoly. They obviously cannot handle that amount of monopoly power
TH-cam demonstrably does not have a monopoly. Services like Twitch and Vimeo have existed for almost as long as TH-cam have, and new competition entered the market recently with Vidme. You could argue they have a *functional* monopoly, since a vast majority of the audience prefer their service, but that's a bit like outlawing Coke because most people prefer it over Pepsi.
TH-cam is not in itself a monopoly, but Google/Alphabet is a monopoly. They effectively control online search, digital advertising networks and ad technology, digital publishing, and also a majority of mobile platform and web browser market share. It doesn't matter at all if the monopoly is "functional" or a result of natural economies of scale, etc. What matters is if the company has a big enough market share to effectively create barriers for their competitors to succeed. This is exactly what Google does. Suppose you want to start a competing video service. Google controls how much search traffic your videos will receive compared to TH-cam. Google controls how much visibility your mobile app will get in the app store. Google controls the advertising networks you are using to promote your own video service brand. And most importantly, the lifeblood of content monetization, if you want to show ads on your videos to pay your content creators, you will probably have to use Google's ad network and technology to get advertisers, which means Google still takes the bulk of your ad revenue. Google bought TH-cam for a good reason, and they make it difficult for other video services to compete with them by design!
You'd have a hard time convincing a court that Google skews search results to exclude video services other than TH-cam, since if you Google "video sharing sites" then Vimeo shows up higher than TH-cam. Having the biggest company does not make you a monopoly, using your power to actively discourage competition does. Standard Oil wasn't just a monopoly because it was the biggest oil company, it was a monopoly because it used it's power to buy out competition and corner 90% of the oil market through means other than consumer choice. Up until now TH-cam has offered the best service for viewers and creators. That is undeniable, and that is why it is by far the largest service. The fact that TH-cam's poor ad practices are driving popular entertainers to sites like Vimeo and Vidme is proof there is no serious monopoly, because if that were true, videos and creators mentioning these competing sites *would* be blacklisted by Google's sites, which I have seen no evidence they are. Unless you want to argue that the Adpocalypse is something other than an idiotic, statistics-based attempt to squeeze more money out of a site that doesn't turn a profit, which again, there isn't any evidence for.
Lazy Poo The ranking for "video service" search term is irrelevant. What matters is the aggregate of many thousands of video content search result rankings across thousands of search keywords. I don't remember the last time I saw a video result that wasn't TH-cam or other mainstream news org, but I'm sure you could dig up some examples. It's extremely easy for Google to hide their systematic search favoritism behind the obfuscation of their "extremely complex" search algorithms. You're absolutely right, the key word for monopoly is "control" of the market, not the actual size within the market. Google is exactly the Standard Oil of the internet and digital advertising business. They have cornered the market and wield a massive amount of control which they use to give unfair competitive advantages to their own businesses. Google tries to hide behind the benevolent persona of no harm, but that is toward the consumer, not other businesses. Google does everything in their power that they and their lawyers believe they can get away with as far as creating competitive advantages--that is what every smart business does. There is no debate they have control of the market, but to believe they wield this power benevolently is naive. Obviously Google walks this line with extreme care for fear of antitrust regulation, so their tactics are very subtle and often part of very long term strategies. I have interacted with Google enough in the internet business to see many actual examples where they have punished or severely harmed other businesses due to unilateral decisions on their part with no form of arbitration or remediation. The "adpocalypse" is Google/TH-cam trying to figure out how to give more control to advertisers, while improving ad revenues of course. However, it illustrates their monopoly power and the unfair way they treat content creators.
> "Google is obfuscating search results to give themselves an unfair advantage even though demonstrably their search engine ranks another service higher than one owned by Google" > "TH-cam's top videos all being mainstream media content is evidence of this knowing censorship, despite the fact that Google have stated their intentions to make the site more advertiser friendly, and this content is the stuff advertisers find least contentious" > "The Adpocalypse that this shift towards mainstream content caused is *evidence of Google's monopoly* and *stranglehold on internet advertising* despite the fact that it is nothing more than Google making changes *to it's own website* which is as legal as you painting a house you own, and that this demonstrably *increased competition* by forcing popular creators to go to, and boost the business of, competing video services" That's not to say Google doesn't do some awful stuff, like having a business model that works on selling personal information, for example. While I may think they have an obligation to keep TH-cam a free marketplace of ideas, the truth is they have no obligation to do so, nor do they have any obligations towards content creators. They can choose to run their service however they like, including running it into the ground as they are now. I'm done. This video literally informs people about a service competing with TH-cam. In a monopoly, these services would not exist or be allowed to compete. A company that is so beholden to advertisers that it ruins its own website to make the platform more appealing to them does not have a stranglehold on internet advertising. Being that this is an internet argument I won't have changed your mind at all, but that's it anyway, bye.
make sure that you don't radicalise yourself though. avoid alex jones and watch more rational people, ( IMO) like Ben Shapiro or something.
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I like Ben. I watch all, and you should too. We all need to train ourselves in critical thought and researching truth, even when they are so contrary to our current opinions. I don't want anyone else speaking for Alex, Ben, Lindy, the left, the right, any other group. I want it from the horses mouth and I want to assign them the best possible intent until there is no rational or honest way to do so. Even the most waked out people have some truth somewhere, even if its understanding what makes them tick. Let us not act like the regressive lefts thought police. Check out James Damore, th-cam.com/video/TN1vEfqHGro/w-d-xo.html. If anyone knows any alternatives let me know. There will be a bit of growing pains but some other venue, needs to provide competition. lbry.io/, or maybe one of the blockchain ones.
As a call center veteran (a decade) I think I can bring a bit of light here. I never worked for Google specifically but I worked for many of these IT-related support services. I am certain the support agent is as upset as you are, and I doubt it is a bot :) My advice: Do as they say even if it does not make sense. Here is why: The stupid questions are just due to typical support center procedures: US companies tend to turn every call or chat/email into something that fits their little 'productivity evaluation Excel table' or equivalent, regardless if it fits reality. It's a rigid template intended to measure the requests received in general, for many criteria. The goal is to maximize the speed of processing cases for the 'representatives' globally, without upsetting too many customers. And also to 'normalize' these rules, in order to avoid the American executive nightmare of agents using their own common sense and experience in dealing with you. Instead, they MUST be using a specific set of rules. Which is supposedly optimized for maximum productivity, deal with (almost) all situations and sometimes still get a decent customer satisfaction :D These procedures have no common sense grounding - it's always based on statistics: For the URL example, I'd say that the agents are forced to ask the question and not go any further until an URL is received. Because statistics proved that asking immediately for an URL upon first contact resolves the problems faster, globally, for the mass of emails received. Productivity perk. A customer not giving an URL is considered as an exception without statistical value, or worse: a customer who refuses to comply, which is frowned upon ^^ The support team HAS to apply the process systematically, even if it makes no sense in a specific situation, because it is the law of the moment. And the poor agents get bad evaluations (or worse) from their superiors if they don't respect it. From his point of view, I'm sure the agent was thinking "Will you just ***ing do as I say and give me the damn URL you (random insult)???? I can't go any further!!!" Oh, and don't be fooled: in email or even sometimes chat support, regardless of how high-profile the company is, the agents copy-paste templates :) They might be allowed to customize them depending on the customer though. Hence the bot feel.
Fuath Just give them two or three examples of video that were demonetized. You will just need to mention the fact that these are just a couple out of many, many others.
Fuath If they were that much of a stickler, and I was Lindybeige, I wouldn't send a single email with 350+ urls in it. I'd take the time to send 350+ emails, each with a single url in it. Sometimes it's worth going the extra mile to piss off a jobs-worth. Let them choke on it!
They better not. You're my favourite TH-camr, I'd sooner lose my place in a queue at the post office than lose you. And I never give up my space in a queue!!
You provide a much enjoyed content on your channel , Lloyd. Patreon is not begging ,you deserve to make an income from your channel. Don’t stop making your marvellous videos.
Get ahold of Ian, at "Forgotten Weapons", he's joining a new You tube type channel that's being put together because of how bad Google/You Tube is getting, it sounds promising.
Any company which has a high number of "subcontractors" should have the responsibilities of an employer. Uber, TH-cam, etc. For the exact same reason we have employer/employee laws in the first place: The relationship is not an even one, the employee has no negotiating power.
Unfortunately most of the western world has subcontractor legal clauses worked in to it to use as loopholes, including both the UK and the US. It is supposed to be temporary subcontract workers who do things like fill in for employees who end up in the hospital or on sabbatical for a month but gets extended into an entire industry due to bad case law decisions.
If TH-cam want to Destroy TH-cam, this is certainly the way to go about it. Stupid Suits have no idea whatsoever how valuable Lindy, and many others, really are
@@rmcguire7033 This reminds me of the "good old days" of Usenet newsgroups. Google owns that now and look what they've done to it. Not long from now we will loo back at this and say "Yeah, that's when YT turned to shit".
it's pretty much every channle on TH-cam. I have heard the same complaint from all my gamers I watch. (the mighty jingles, and quickybaby, and scholagladitoria. ) seems to me like someone needs to start a new company.
We're not workers. We're not employees of TH-cam. You could form a lobby group consisting of major influencers, but you can't create a union for a workforce that doesn't exist.
There kind of is, in the form of the FUPA organisation (created by ethan ans hila). But its only a union in the sense that they prevent the youtubers video from being taken down unfairly, the law side of a union basically.
The current relationship Google has with the world reminds me a whole lot of the relationship the Rockefellers had with the world when they had a monopoly on American oil. Antitrust break-up incoming in 3...2...
@jocaguz18 passive agressive much? i know i was just giving the information for poeple that hadn't heard of that. never said thoses companies would disappear or whatever you understood, but they're still taking a hit
nah a nega nazi bot killing death tank with axe bladed treads retractable swords and it shoots ninjas with firepots out of a swivel mounted trebuchet, with napalm sticky grenade flinging slingshots at the rear and a cattle rail in the front covered in trump hating 3rd wave feminazi liberals held on by a donkeys fecal matter and barbed razorwire and fueled by NFL sjw kneeler tears! thatll set the bots off for sure!
I didnt even know about your wonderful channel until recently! Almost like youtube was hiding it then bang you pop up in recommended years after the fact.
Lindy, you should make a video about water tanks and bottles, just to see if TH-cam filters for the word "tank". Just do a review of the bottles for hiking or the gym, with no hint towards anything military. The best way to show that a system has problems, is to make those problems glaringly obvious and ridiculous.
I'm not a google engineer but I do have expertise in machine learning, which is likely at the heart of youtube's income system, and is definitely at the heart of youtube's demonetizing bots. My best guess is that google representatives don't answer your questions because literally no one knows the answers. Not even the engineers who designed the bots can actually tell you why the bots behave the way they do. The systems we create these days are complex and inscrutable. We can show that they 'work', which is to say that they accomplish some abstract well defined task with a high degree of accuracy on some well defined testing data, but we literally can't explain how they work. We can't inspect them in any meaningful way. As a result of your career, you are exposed to this type of technology and the ethical and legal challenges they create, but the problems of deep learning are spreading throughout our society. Adapting to these disruptive technologies is, in my honest opinion, the most challenging hurdle we will need to overcome in the next 10-40 years. I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect what google is doing isn't even illegal. The technologies and strategies they are using are simply too new for us to have legal precedent to draw from, and we will never gain that precedent until people start suing the shit out of TH-cam, Alphabet, Facebook, etc. Frankly, I don't want to sign a petition to reinstate Thand's channel because I don't want him reinstated. I want him to sue so we can start clearing up this massive grey area lying in our future.
The "it was the algorithm" blanket response is bullshit because they can tweak parameters to have the bots flag what they want, that is exactly what they did after so many years of smooth sailing.
That's the problem. We keep implementing harmful technology because those who are supposed to regulate its implementation are incompetent. I don't think it's their fault. A legislator can't keep up with advances in technology. But the shady nature of this system is evident to anyone with even a modicum of sense. Machine learning is good and it might even be humanity's launching pad, but this is a really complex A.I., created to act as a proxy to deny any legal action against its creators while keeping employees to a minimum. That's bad enough, but this is one of the very few instances of an AI with actual power. Their system can sink your business, destroy your livelihood and censor you. It shapes what you're encouraged to watch, which in turn controls the content of future videos. And all of this is basically unsupervised, because as you said the data stream is too big to be analysed in a practical way. In the beginning of TH-cam, content creators decided the direction of the website. Then, of course, the public became the driving force. You give people what they want, it's all fine. But now advertisers are the ones in control. They don't watch the videos, they don't care about the content. And remember, the website is still called TH-cam. It's all shit. On a sidenote, I don't think we'll ever adopt these technologies flawlessly. They're just inherently dangerous and unpredictable. At most we can hope to define the legal boundaries in order to keep things as clear as possible.
Personally I don't think the people creating these algorithms are lazy. I have no doubt that the inherent inability to know what the algorithms is doing in specific terms is done on purpose by TH-cam (and others) for the very legal reasons that people here are discussing. It's a legal defense so when they get into court they can say: "we can't be held accountable because even we don't know how it works." Believe me - my father worked for 50 years in the military aeronautical design as and electrical engineer and programmer. The US military would not put up with shit like this. If any contractor submitted an algorithm with internal operations this opaque their contract would be canceled in a microsecond.
> Personally I don't think the people creating these algorithms are lazy. You are right. They absolutely aren't lazy. Implementing these complex machine learning systems is a finicky pain in the arse. > I have no doubt that the inherent inability to know what the algorithms is doing in specific terms is done on purpose by TH-cam (and others) for the very legal reasons that people here are discussing. You are wrong here though. They use these machine learning systems because they provably perform better than classical programming/modelling techniques for most tasks we care about. > The US military would not put up with shit like this. They absolutely are putting up with systems like this. Everyone is. These systems, these complex inscrutable black boxes, are coming online in every industry. You are already in contact with them whenever you use any modern digital technology and they will continue to surround and influence your life.
Vsauce did a video about these shenanigans and how the algorithm favors short-form click-bait videos. Seems like TH-cam is really stepping on their own dick here. I know if Lindybeige, AvE, Vsauce, and a few others left for other platforms, I would follow. Many video game channels have already done this since Twitch and other platforms treat their content creators better.
Or look to alternative platforms and figure out how to conveniently multi-upload, so you can feel around for viable back up platforms. Or perhaps just use them as free services that backup your videos for you... Might have to read a bunch of fine print, though.... I hope this new bitcoin mining trend prevails and competes with advertising. That way there might at least be a chance to decouple creators from corporate interests and instead establish a system that rewards the creator for their popularity or maybe even the amount of appreciation received in the form of viewers consenting to provide their available computing resources to mine crypto-currency for their favorite creators during their device's idle time or something along those lines. Basically Folding@Home, but for online content creators.
I really hope that your channel is not removed. Your topics are VERY well explained and VERY interesting. You’re a great personality and a very interesting presenter. Keep your hands off this channel TH-cam!,!!!
John Dorian They couldn't actually tell him anything though. TH-cam genuinely has no idea how things are determined anymore. Their "algorithm" is based on deep learning. He is being payed by an AI.
Ahh, so it's come to the point that a algorithm determines your fate, with one having no real idea when one will trip it up, or whether it has major flaws in it or not. Which might as such basically seem to randomly shut you down... Seems to me that perhaps some way needs to be found to make this all a bit less mysterious. For instance some kind of public screening option, where one can identify possible flaws. Or that more information is given on when it finds a potential problem and why it decided to take a certain action. More options for recourse before perhaps before it just terminates a video, monetization or a channel? Basically in the end, maybe they should find a way to make the system more transparent, predictable and able to resolve conflicts less abruptly?
Hi Lindy. This popped up on my feed a few days ago. I had an online shop with shopify (shopisfried) which we paid to use as our e-commerce platform. 2 years after signing up shopifry closed us down and we had to scramble to find another platform. This created enormous stress for us all and we struggled to keep our head above water. (None of the products we sold could be remotely considered illegal or immoral) 5 staff almost lost their jobs. SiliconValley tyranny is real and affect real people in the real world. They really do not seem to be beholden to any moral or even commercial transaction standard. Keep up the shows and I hope you have a plan "B"
True, but youtube's EULA specifically states that you aren't allowed to publish (or even discuss) your earnings with anyone, and that doing so is grounds for having your channel deleted. Sure if /Everyone/ did it then youtube would be forced to change, or we'd all just move to whatever better website ends up replacing them. But that's still the same long battle ancient unions had to do back when most businesses were this de-regulated, and currently trump and most of his voters want to remove those same regulations and protections so that normal jobs are just as unstable as youtube. Great for the company (short term at least) bad for the workers and the customers. You can make it happen, sure, but given past models it's going to take two generations and numerous riots. First let the trump voters have their way and watch as they burn themselves, going right back into a third great depression the same as the last two times this sort of thing happened. Then the generation after them will be so sick of how terrible everything is that something close to a social war ends up pushing for radical upheaval, most likely in the form of unions concerning internet practices or some form of public owned, non-profit social media set up on patreon money. (IE: Taxes in another name, being functionally a new government program by a different design). This is all assuming that some new competitor doesn't show up that ends up shutting down youtube the same way netflix shut down Blockbuster and Discord shut down Skype or how Facebook shut down Myspace.
Cynical Historian had uploaded few minutes long video of ocean. With a tag 'history'. Video was demonetized anyway. Topics history, war, battles, weapon seem not to be 'advertisers friendly'. TH-cam is turning into TV.
We're getting there. Few weeks ago I could read four or five replies to a comment straight away, now I have to expand every single one. Don't comment, just watch next ad already! (Oh, and a video, if you must.)
There is always a documentary about hitler on TV. and people cursing is also a major hit on TV. the most succesfull TV show was about 3 englishmen cursing, driving cars and making racist remarks about germans, french, russians, asian people, and dont get me started about the stuff they said about the welsh. TH-cam is way more harsh than TV.
rambo8wradio In one sense I can understand that history channels may be less desirable for advertisers, because those videos tend to feel less engaging and viewers are less likely to be willing to click. But in the other hand, there's enough content in TH-cam to justify some sort of categorization that is used to better classify channels and select ads that fit them best. And there's no excuse for completely demonitizing a channel or removing it entirely.
more like people smart enough to not click on an ad just because it sounds silly awesome, which is what tv channels get paid from (persuasion, not clicks, of course) on the more simple common demominator. Its a stupid phenomenom as of late, why not have more stuff of what people want AND keep the stuff a lot of other people already wanted? If the ads are the stuff that isnt working maybe work better on where they place those ads
I've been watching a lot of your videos recently and I'm so pleased that your channel is still here. Thanks for all the content over the years good sir.
They can make a bot that fools you, for a little while, with emails, but they can't make a bot that can tell if a video is legitimate? Yeah right. They just don't care.
The bot only looks to see if the video should be demonetized and it is extremely effective since it is picking up all kinds of details. Of course it doesn't understand context and takes everything literally.
Love your genuine delivery and approach. Also really appreciate the insights into TH-cam and how they treat their cash cows. I feel like I'm in a really great History class when I watch your videos. Keep it going!
It's a power struggle though, isn't it? If my suspicions are correct TH-cam needs their advertisers but their advertisers don't necessarily need TH-cam. In the wake of TH-cam's growing power advertisers chose to band together and flex their muscles to halt and control TH-cam's growth. Google with all its power may very well be outmatched here and if that's the case there's not much they can do save for continuing to push youtube red or integrate their own patreon type system into youtube.
Not entirely accurate as campaniles are not legally obligated to let you do anything or say anything on their platform. The first amendment only applies to you speaking out about the government in any form as long as it is not seditious in nature. You can't be jailed or censured by the government for criticism.
+Neo Feudalist Food for thought: If a company is required to "just bake the fucking cake", is a company not also required to "just publish the fucking video"?
ColonelSandersLite Technically, yes. In reality, no. There's been a strong leftist push for the past decade or so where the rights of the left are generally enforced than that of the right. Free speech is only for things that the left consider ok, anything else isn't. It's ok to force a bakery to bake for a gay wedding but anything else it's not ok. Don't get me wrong, there's always been something of a double standard where the law is concerned. The only thing is that the pendulum has swung from the right and right on past the middle and over to the far left. Things are still unequal, despite what a lot of progressives might feel, it's just that now the inequality has shifted from one group to another.
It's funny you should say that, Riceball, 'cos from where I'm standing it would appear to me that the right has held more than its fair share of the public stage than it aught to; more than it has ever held in my lifetime. I use the pendulum analogy myself, and I feel it's only just beginning to swing back leftwards now. That's not to say that it hasn't been too far left in the recent past, but the pendulum keeps on swinging. Just so long as it doesn't get stuck at one end or the other! Just a matter of perspective really (10pts if you get the reference I'm thinking of ^^).
Not the same thing, but last month I uploaded a video of me petting my dog's belly, for my mom to see. A few hours later I got an email that TH-cam has disabled it for violating community standards! My channel, across all of my videos, has less than 150 views, and most of them are from me. I'm not sure what community they're worried about, or how anything I've posted, let alone petting my dog's belly, is violating standards. I appealed a couple of times and never got a response email, but one day I noticed that the video wasn't disabled anymore. They couldn't even be bothered to send an automated notification and apology.
I am quite worried about the situation with youtube, but I think I might offer some insight here: While there is the possibility that you were corresponding with a service-contractor somewhere in India, I think both the mail-exchange and the de-monetization might be handled by deep learners. Those are essentially bots that are not scripted but trained. They dont have a clear set of rules they follow, but instead have been trained to emulate some wanted results for a given data-input. You can think of it as the bot watching a human do something thousands of times and being judged on how close it gets to the human results. The thing with deep-learners is: no one can tell you what speciic part of the data they are fed has led to them making a specific decision. They are so called "black box" algorithms. I think the answer why no one can tell you why they are demonetizing specific videos is, because no one (outside of a highly specialised group of employees) has a clue why a bot has made a particular decission. What they do instead (just guessing here though) is that they let a human check the videos and feed that data back to the deep-learner for him to re-evaluate his decision making. They are probably going "bad AI" while doing so. Just guesswork, but my work required me to read up un those things for a bit. Kind regards, Grim
replying to old post but here goes... example to backup this perspective th-cam.com/video/TRzBk_KuIaM/w-d-xo.html Ted talk on how AI's logic and mistakes can evade the very people who created them.
I’m a fan of Lindybeige’s videos, his knowledge and enthusiasm make history really interesting 👍 much more fun than school. I didn’t know this was the way TH-cam behaved, thanks for the insight. I’ll be very disappointed if the channel’s taken down or the range of videos are restricted.
I'll probably get lynched for saying this, but perhaps youtube content creators should do what other people have done when their "employers" have threatened their livelihoods with summary termination, unreliable wages, and "independent subcontracting". Unionise. TH-cam is nothing without it's content creators, and has a virtual monopoly on advertising to under 30s. They have the power to dictate to advertisers on behalf of content creators, if given an incentive to do so.
Ethan Finley a Network is not a union, it's a protection racket. A union is by members for members, and where there is a fee, it's a fixed membership fee, not a percentage of revenue.
Supply and demand exists. There is always more people uploading videos to youtube. Even if everyone but the bottom 10% left there would still be more content then you could watch in your liftime
I've already followed a dozen youtubers over to vidme. I have the site white listed for adblock. TH-cam is adblocked because it crashes my browser if I unblock it.
I just keep it blocked because I never know if some douche company claimed a video. And Google does a shitty job filtering malicious ads for it's adsense, so why risk my computer when the multibillion company won't give two shits.
Same thing happens to me, I actually LOVE watching good commercials because it's usually telling me about stuff I want. What I don't like is when the commercials fail to load and constantly crash, and even the skip button just takes you to another broken commercial.
Very insightful.... Sounds like the market is ripe for competition and the supplanting of TH-cam, due to a more ethical model, as you highlight - really glad that you made this video.
haha. a petition on change.org against change.org sounds brilliant (specifically the default facebook sharing behaviour ofcourse). It never fails to amuse me, the realisation that all these systems developed by people, are really just people with their heads up their arses. They building systems sure, that's great....but they also have their heads up their arses. Never forget that. Welcome to planet earth.
Lloyd, you should do some self published books through Amazon createspace and kindle. Sales vary, but the royalty is always the same. You have such a following and are so articulate and erudite that I am sure you would smash it.
algorithm - word used by programmers when they do not want to explain what they did Also: algorithm - word used by programmers when they have no clue, if what they implement actually works outside of their lab test
the first thing I saw on vid.me was a little message that said "welcome to vidme, we love you, human". I never felt so welcome before... and that's just kinda sad.
youtube has inatalled this self learning algorithm. they dont know how it works and it isnt very polished yet. what they can do is tell the algorithm when it has judged a video poorly. so what they do is just let the algorithm screw some people so they will report the unwanted behavior to youtube and then they correct the algorithm. this process can take a long time. creating a bot that can judge a video as well or better as a human is not that easy. youtube accepts the casualties to improve the algorithm in the long run. i think thats a bad idea and will damage its reputation and content creators. what they definately should do is being more transparent and tell the creators whats going on.
This is all true as far as I know, but I still think it's wrong on a fundamental level to implement a bot with this level of responsibility in the first place.
Aside from the hours spent watching, enjoying, and learning from your content... the fact that you are so humble to the point of you considering having a patreon account as having to hold out the “begging bowl” after what i would describe as you and your livelihood being handcuffed by youtube’s bots and algorithms is exactly why i’m going from here to find you on patreon. I don’t know anything about you outside of your content but if your not a professor already, or teach in some capacity, I hope you one day consider it.
This is a pretty dire warning. We've all grown up with Sci Fi dystopian movies. This is just a taste of what complete automation in society can look like, and being governed by a faceless, all powerful, bureaucratic totalitarian entity. Hopefully this can be stopped now before it gets completely out of hand.
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TH-cam's algorithm works in strange ways. Including placing this video in my recommended a year too late.
@@pychohobo1832 It's embarrassing if anyone sees my youtube recommendations, you'd think I was a gun hoarding flat earther who believes satellites aren't real.
Maybe it's my fault for being curious about other people's beliefs.
@@jumbo4billion ok so im not the only one youtube railroads videos on. Lol.
@@pychohobo1832 Yup, you got it right on. My wife thinks I'm a mad conspiracy nut job because I have to go and be nosey, you know. All a sudden every recommended is about cops beating on people, gun nuts, UFO cover ups and all I wanted was to look "over the fence" so to speak.
It's pretty annoying.
@@pychohobo1832 Makes me laugh, I wasn't notified that you'd replied, if not for my last reply being highlighted today (Thank you Lindybeige) I probably wouldn't have ever known. What TH-cam does and doesn't notify anyone of seems to changing, most of the channels I'm subscribed to no longer notify me of new content, even with the bell icon highlighted.
I think the "people" at TH-cam have become so accustomed to their success, that they think they can now sit back after giving AI Bots control of the whole thing, whether they realise it, or not they've created a Frankenstein monster.
I'm not quite a silver surfer (yet), but I have been using TH-cam for a very long time and it's definitely not acting as it should, or used to, whether or not there's a conspiracy there.... I'll have to leave to someone else to make a vlog about :)
I do agree and sympathise with you, it's a very frustrating time and confusing because so many people can have a view and also a say. In the past you were spoon fed news from several different outlets and people had to choose to go with one, or another based on personal views etc. Now there are quite literally hundreds of thousands of differing viewpoints and outlets none of which are bound by some higher law to insure that they only report the truth, or facts. It's simply the most confusing era I've ever lived through, or know of. Like a Garden of Eden filled with a multitude of Eve's all offering different sizes, colours and varieties of apples...
Sorry, I'm not religious, I just had that image in my head.
Anyway thanks for the reply, I hope you have a good day, best wishes mate.
When Lloyd’s channel gets demonetized, you know TH-cam has no idea what they’re doing.
You're one of the youtubers I actually use to help educate my children. Wherever you have to broadcast your content, I'll be there to watch.
Thank you, "Exterminatus"
I love how serious he is being while wearing that ridiculous sombrero 😂
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he wore that every day
But is it well-lubricated?
I take a wild guess he is not a Mexican. He should wear a bowler.
I came here to say it’s not ridiculous, but seeing that comment has been made, honestly? It is ridiculous to the bone to wear 1.that hat 2.inside 3.in Britain.
You thought he was being serious? Lol
Dealing with bots are infuriating! I submitted a review on Amazon and my review was rejected because I used the word bullshit in the review. The title of the book? "The Bullshit Machine".
They have a real problem with that in Scunthorpe.
In Denmark we have a town called Middelfart. It kinda means 'in the middle of the journey'.
Koreans with the last name Ng sometimes anglicize their name to W. This causes them monumental headaches, since computerized forms simply refuse to accept a last name with one letter, insisting that they provide their full last name instead of an initial. It means getting everything from a credit card to a driver's license is a pain in the ass.
Ray Maritz so I guess it would pointless to submit a review of "The Haunted Vagina"?
Class Action Lawsuit.
"Don't be evil" doesn't seem to be working.
+1 Lindy pls
I'm sure they signed away their rights when they monetized their channels.
That's what Google will say, but my understanding is that *nobody* can prevent someone else from filing a lawsuit (which is both good and bad). Terms of Service always try to scare and intimidate people into not suing, but none of that really means anything. On the other hand, it takes more than just filing a lawsuit to actually get any resolution, and filing isn't cheap either.
You can sue Google, there's nothing stopping that. But can you spend as much money on lawyers as they can? They don't have to win, they just have to stall until you quit.
Why is the algorithm showing me this now, years after the fact?
Right? I thought it was new until I saw the date. Weird.
That's TH-cam. Exposing themselves regularly.
It's probably because it has become a hot topic again recently.
ditto
Just popped up for me as well, TH-cam's bots being weird
I can't imagine a world without Lindybeige.
Watching this video so late that the petition was resolved already
Kuma yep, same!
jepp me too
yeah, Same
the video is still very much relevant as its not like youtube is going to change the way it does these things overnight.
You think you are late? Ha! I am so late I can watch others complaining about being late!
The real question is why havent they yet, YT seems hell bent on tacking down everyone with decent content
ben wilkins It's not YT, it's their bot, the demonetization bot, they can't control it, they just seem to be under the impression that, since it's a neural network that can learn, everything will sort itself out by the end.
It's not just the algorithm. They'e also targeting political channels or any other channels that have the ""wrong opinions"
probably they realize that if half of youtube disapear over night, the big youtubers will get scared and migrate as well, killing youtube, so they will start killing from the botton and slowly, so as to try and get people to ignore what they are doing.
didn't actual scientists let loose a fancier cleverbot on the internet some time ago? I think it turned into a nazi...
something like that, the bot was supposed to learn from human interaction and adapt accordingly. Than 4chan happened.
Google has turned into an authoritarian monopoly. :(
They got your e-mail, they got your youtube, they got your google sheets, they got your apps (Android, google play). They are... everywhere, and it's not scary at all.
They have your ability to know things...
Google has decided they want to play Stasi :(
All corporations are authoritarian.
Let me summarize Googles relationship with the content creators.
i.imgur.com/Pp3lhvS.jpg
And they get away with it, too.
"Hold out the begging bowl"
Uh, Lindy, it's not begging. You are providing entertainment (with time and effort spent on it), for which it would be your right to demand payment.
I as a consumer feel only slightly guilty for consuming it for free (considering that as a university student I don't have much to spend), but don't you DARE feel guilty for asking.
Not only entertainment but education aswell.
It's scary knowing how much money TH-cam gets from Lloyd(or any video provider) compared to whatever meager amount they *feel like* doling out to him... 😓
@@reverseimagesearch0results363 We're not all as perfect as you. Back under your bridge mate.. No one cares
@@kevingrass6146 for real?
just some guy on the internet stfu la creatura lookin ass be careful throwing mongoloid around you’re looking a bit more aboriginal yourself.
Utterly brilliant.Your best video ever. Right I'm off to sharpen my pitchfork
"Don't be evil." - Google's motto, circa 2000.
A perfect moral code for a corporation that embraces moral relativism
Yeah, they binned that over a decade ago, luckily. Might have caused lawsuits
In reality " don't get caught doing evil"
A fun fact, there is a deep-web search engine called "No Evil" , because it's like Google, but not evil(according to the creators)
From the sounds of it, TH-cam doesn't need to get hit with a petition, but with a class-action lawsuit... make them produce all these algorithms and justify their positions in court.
bobobobinalong . Dennis Prager creator of Prager University videos is suing TH-cam for their business practices.
Mostly it is second to second bidding for certain demographics.
+stanhry My god... so many people in TH-cam and we need to rely on Prager U to save us.
This has been such a widespread problem Joerg Sprave has formed Fairtube
Usually when people take up the habit of wearing hats they first go for something more subtle like a cap or a beanie for example. But not our Lloyd. No. He goes straight to the hardcore stuff :D... Wonder what will be next? a fez? a turban? a propeller hat?
Syntax: Actually, in the US, next they get a very bad wig and a really stupid grin then say things like "I,m a rock star!" -
You new heart, right? Lloyd wears hat, look at his "tourist" videos, like the one about actual look of dungeon.
Bearskin
A Ushanka maybe? Well, I would like to see that at least :D
I really wanna see Lloyd in a propeller hat now...
this needed a Loyd rant..thank you beige
Thank you Lloyd for breaking down the life of a YT'er. One should also note that Google, has the same power over many websites. If they simply removed a company's URLs from SERPs (Search Engine Result Page) the results would be catastrophic for that company. Google/TH-cam by becoming the defacto place to go for Searches/Videos are leveraging a huge amount of power over companies and people. With great power comes great....
With great power comes great corruptability.
indeed, google are getting too big for their boots, it won't last forever tho, nothing does. They used to be a nice company, now not so much, some of their decisions have been extremely questionable.
And don't forget emails and smartphones.
They have us all by the balls...
While they will loss profit from not being in google's serp, however, their are other search engines they can go with and when using them they yield different serp listings. So if they (google) get too happy with removing too many companies then they might loss their spot of top search engine used by people.
Yamadiyoo well, i can tell you that the vast majority of companies already dislike google but they have no choice but to rely on google for traffic. It's the consumers which need to stop using google, not the companies.
The problem with TH-cam is that there's so many people making videos that they think that you're entirely expendable. They can treat you like garbage because there's so many other people making content.
Demons run when a good man goes to rant.
ThegnThrand Is back! We did it guys!
yeah, but all his vids are gone
Good. But holy shit, His videos.
it actually got taken down in the last few min, i was on the page then i refreshed and it was gone.
wait, its back again th-cam.com/users/ThegnThrandfeatured?disable_polymer=1
We accomplished nothing. TH-cam will take its sweet time making his videos watchable again, if they ever do, and likely even longer remonetizing them, if they ever do. They still won't give any explanation, apology, or compensation for their actions. A few months from now, the same will happen to another channel, or possibly a group of channels to keep the publicity down. In this case, Lindy, Schola, Shad, and Skall made a stink about this. If they hadn't, do you think Thrand would have gotten his channel back?
Until laws get passed which force Google to monetize all videos equally, regardless of content, this kind of shit won't stop. Google and the companies providing their ad revenue aren't reasonable players with reasonable power, and thus dealing with them requires unreasonable measures.
I'm really glad that you, Lloyd, made a video on this subject. I know that a lot of other TH-camrs have made similar videos and hopefully if enough people voice their concerns on the issue TH-cam will have to change for the better.
TH-cam: *Bans tank*
Plumbers: ”Yo wtf youtube why are my videos demonitized?”
Septic tanks?
Can't even begin to fathom why your channel would be demonetized at all, no offense, Lloyd, but you're one of the most harmless TH-camrs out there.
Moondogg22 He has weapons therefor his doomd
No the most harmless TH-cam channel is reivewbrah
Considering that in all the years I've been watching his videos, I can't remember him saying a single rude word, yeah, I would've thought he was pretty safe.
He wrote 'plonkers' in this video. ;-)
Seriously, though. Who on earth would be offended by a nerd who makes linen armor and sing and dance? My mind revolts at the thought of an actual person who could be so scared they consider Lindy controversial.
Moondogg22 Well like he said. It’s dumb bots and dumb people that control this kind of stuff. So small things like words associated with “war” could fuck him over.
Another thing is he had criticized the hivemind of man-made climate change which is very dangerous to do with all the hivemind marxist “liberals” around these days.
I've seen this weird algorithm/bot screw over channels. Mainly it seems to be because of the inclusion of weapons to any degree. I've seen channels get shut down for including weapons, even for educational purposes. I've seen channels get demonetized for videogame footage containing guns. Videogames! 3d models of weapons are apparently too much according to google.
And I'm glad you're pointing out that channels like yours, Skallagrim's and so on provide content which is for a small, but very passionate niche which would otherwise not have this type of content.
TH-cam has monopoly so they think they are god. They only look at their own earnings and paying you less and less will increase their income more and more.
But there are international laws concerning monopoly.... Perhaps TH-camrs should work together and start looking for a specialized lawyer
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As you mentioned, TH-camrs should also bring videos on other services than TH-cam and advertise here that this video can also be seen on the other channel.
Somehow you have to break TH-cams monopoly. They obviously cannot handle that amount of monopoly power
TH-cam demonstrably does not have a monopoly. Services like Twitch and Vimeo have existed for almost as long as TH-cam have, and new competition entered the market recently with Vidme.
You could argue they have a *functional* monopoly, since a vast majority of the audience prefer their service, but that's a bit like outlawing Coke because most people prefer it over Pepsi.
TH-cam is not in itself a monopoly, but Google/Alphabet is a monopoly. They effectively control online search, digital advertising networks and ad technology, digital publishing, and also a majority of mobile platform and web browser market share.
It doesn't matter at all if the monopoly is "functional" or a result of natural economies of scale, etc. What matters is if the company has a big enough market share to effectively create barriers for their competitors to succeed. This is exactly what Google does.
Suppose you want to start a competing video service. Google controls how much search traffic your videos will receive compared to TH-cam. Google controls how much visibility your mobile app will get in the app store. Google controls the advertising networks you are using to promote your own video service brand. And most importantly, the lifeblood of content monetization, if you want to show ads on your videos to pay your content creators, you will probably have to use Google's ad network and technology to get advertisers, which means Google still takes the bulk of your ad revenue.
Google bought TH-cam for a good reason, and they make it difficult for other video services to compete with them by design!
You'd have a hard time convincing a court that Google skews search results to exclude video services other than TH-cam, since if you Google "video sharing sites" then Vimeo shows up higher than TH-cam.
Having the biggest company does not make you a monopoly, using your power to actively discourage competition does. Standard Oil wasn't just a monopoly because it was the biggest oil company, it was a monopoly because it used it's power to buy out competition and corner 90% of the oil market through means other than consumer choice. Up until now TH-cam has offered the best service for viewers and creators. That is undeniable, and that is why it is by far the largest service.
The fact that TH-cam's poor ad practices are driving popular entertainers to sites like Vimeo and Vidme is proof there is no serious monopoly, because if that were true, videos and creators mentioning these competing sites *would* be blacklisted by Google's sites, which I have seen no evidence they are. Unless you want to argue that the Adpocalypse is something other than an idiotic, statistics-based attempt to squeeze more money out of a site that doesn't turn a profit, which again, there isn't any evidence for.
Lazy Poo
The ranking for "video service" search term is irrelevant. What matters is the aggregate of many thousands of video content search result rankings across thousands of search keywords. I don't remember the last time I saw a video result that wasn't TH-cam or other mainstream news org, but I'm sure you could dig up some examples. It's extremely easy for Google to hide their systematic search favoritism behind the obfuscation of their "extremely complex" search algorithms.
You're absolutely right, the key word for monopoly is "control" of the market, not the actual size within the market. Google is exactly the Standard Oil of the internet and digital advertising business. They have cornered the market and wield a massive amount of control which they use to give unfair competitive advantages to their own businesses.
Google tries to hide behind the benevolent persona of no harm, but that is toward the consumer, not other businesses. Google does everything in their power that they and their lawyers believe they can get away with as far as creating competitive advantages--that is what every smart business does. There is no debate they have control of the market, but to believe they wield this power benevolently is naive. Obviously Google walks this line with extreme care for fear of antitrust regulation, so their tactics are very subtle and often part of very long term strategies.
I have interacted with Google enough in the internet business to see many actual examples where they have punished or severely harmed other businesses due to unilateral decisions on their part with no form of arbitration or remediation.
The "adpocalypse" is Google/TH-cam trying to figure out how to give more control to advertisers, while improving ad revenues of course. However, it illustrates their monopoly power and the unfair way they treat content creators.
> "Google is obfuscating search results to give themselves an unfair advantage even though demonstrably their search engine ranks another service higher than one owned by Google"
> "TH-cam's top videos all being mainstream media content is evidence of this knowing censorship, despite the fact that Google have stated their intentions to make the site more advertiser friendly, and this content is the stuff advertisers find least contentious"
> "The Adpocalypse that this shift towards mainstream content caused is *evidence of Google's monopoly* and *stranglehold on internet advertising* despite the fact that it is nothing more than Google making changes *to it's own website* which is as legal as you painting a house you own, and that this demonstrably *increased competition* by forcing popular creators to go to, and boost the business of, competing video services"
That's not to say Google doesn't do some awful stuff, like having a business model that works on selling personal information, for example. While I may think they have an obligation to keep TH-cam a free marketplace of ideas, the truth is they have no obligation to do so, nor do they have any obligations towards content creators. They can choose to run their service however they like, including running it into the ground as they are now.
I'm done. This video literally informs people about a service competing with TH-cam. In a monopoly, these services would not exist or be allowed to compete. A company that is so beholden to advertisers that it ruins its own website to make the platform more appealing to them does not have a stranglehold on internet advertising. Being that this is an internet argument I won't have changed your mind at all, but that's it anyway, bye.
glad to see your still here in September 2019.
January 2020. Yippee
May 2020 Yippee
June 2020 Yippee
September 2020
2 days until 2021 and he's still going
Did it bother anyone besides me that the knot on the hat was to the right of Lloyd?
Infinity Torch97 yeah i have ocd aswell. Lol
Yes
oh yes
Yes it did, and also that the holes in the hat for the string are not symmetrical.
I'm sorry lindy. Truly am mate.
they should toughen up.
make sure that you don't radicalise yourself though. avoid alex jones and watch more rational people, ( IMO) like Ben Shapiro or something.
I like Ben. I watch all, and you should too. We all need to train ourselves in critical thought and researching truth, even when they are so contrary to our current opinions. I don't want anyone else speaking for Alex, Ben, Lindy, the left, the right, any other group. I want it from the horses mouth and I want to assign them the best possible intent until there is no rational or honest way to do so. Even the most waked out people have some truth somewhere, even if its understanding what makes them tick. Let us not act like the regressive lefts thought police. Check out James Damore, th-cam.com/video/TN1vEfqHGro/w-d-xo.html. If anyone knows any alternatives let me know. There will be a bit of growing pains but some other venue, needs to provide competition. lbry.io/, or maybe one of the blockchain ones.
Fedoralord Trumplorables should fuck right off now. No one wants you here.
Google isn't the thought police, they're just trying to make money from advertising.
Your bit about the bot interaction was a hilarious take on a disgusting situation.
Hi Lindybeige, its almost two years later. Do you have a follow up on how this has ended?
Good luck getting senpai to notice you.
Google demoneytisation never ends!
As a call center veteran (a decade) I think I can bring a bit of light here. I never worked for Google specifically but I worked for many of these IT-related support services.
I am certain the support agent is as upset as you are, and I doubt it is a bot :) My advice: Do as they say even if it does not make sense. Here is why:
The stupid questions are just due to typical support center procedures: US companies tend to turn every call or chat/email into something that fits their little 'productivity evaluation Excel table' or equivalent, regardless if it fits reality. It's a rigid template intended to measure the requests received in general, for many criteria.
The goal is to maximize the speed of processing cases for the 'representatives' globally, without upsetting too many customers. And also to 'normalize' these rules, in order to avoid the American executive nightmare of agents using their own common sense and experience in dealing with you. Instead, they MUST be using a specific set of rules. Which is supposedly optimized for maximum productivity, deal with (almost) all situations and sometimes still get a decent customer satisfaction :D
These procedures have no common sense grounding - it's always based on statistics: For the URL example, I'd say that the agents are forced to ask the question and not go any further until an URL is received. Because statistics proved that asking immediately for an URL upon first contact resolves the problems faster, globally, for the mass of emails received. Productivity perk. A customer not giving an URL is considered as an exception without statistical value, or worse: a customer who refuses to comply, which is frowned upon ^^
The support team HAS to apply the process systematically, even if it makes no sense in a specific situation, because it is the law of the moment. And the poor agents get bad evaluations (or worse) from their superiors if they don't respect it.
From his point of view, I'm sure the agent was thinking "Will you just ***ing do as I say and give me the damn URL you (random insult)???? I can't go any further!!!"
Oh, and don't be fooled: in email or even sometimes chat support, regardless of how high-profile the company is, the agents copy-paste templates :) They might be allowed to customize them depending on the customer though. Hence the bot feel.
Fuath Just give them two or three examples of video that were demonetized. You will just need to mention the fact that these are just a couple out of many, many others.
Fuath If they reply that they need ALL of them, then .... Good luck.
Fuath What about the channel URL?
Also the fake names. 99% of the time it's someone in Malaysia/India/Philippines but they have ridiculously Western names like Susy, Jane, Ryan, etc.
Fuath If they were that much of a stickler, and I was Lindybeige, I wouldn't send a single email with 350+ urls in it. I'd take the time to send 350+ emails, each with a single url in it. Sometimes it's worth going the extra mile to piss off a jobs-worth. Let them choke on it!
13:55 Haven't you heard about the massive wave of criminals using Pila to rob gas-stations?
They better not. You're my favourite TH-camr, I'd sooner lose my place in a queue at the post office than lose you. And I never give up my space in a queue!!
You provide a much enjoyed content on your channel , Lloyd. Patreon is not begging ,you deserve to make an income from your channel. Don’t stop making your marvellous videos.
I feel like he wore that hat to have a funny intro, and just forgot he had it on
Daslynnter; Naw, he's just doing a very bad Frederica Wilson imitation.
Lost a bet in lisboa.
Viva revolucion!
Daslynnter
TH-cam's gonna take it down because it's "cultural appropriation"
Chin Chin The Dark Lord
You took the words of out my mouth. YT is going bananas.
I swear to God Lloyd if they shut your channel down, we riot.
You can replace tank with landship
Or Water Carrier heheheh
Heavy armoured vehicle
you'd get certain strike for "heavy armoured vehicle". Better change the word "tank" to "special land vehicle"
GuitarsRockForever or just say tonk
@Edward
Metal as fuck. Icelandic is objectively the best language.
Get ahold of Ian, at "Forgotten Weapons", he's joining a new You tube type channel that's being put together because of how bad Google/You Tube is getting, it sounds promising.
Update?
Any company which has a high number of "subcontractors" should have the responsibilities of an employer. Uber, TH-cam, etc. For the exact same reason we have employer/employee laws in the first place: The relationship is not an even one, the employee has no negotiating power.
Unfortunately most of the western world has subcontractor legal clauses worked in to it to use as loopholes, including both the UK and the US. It is supposed to be temporary subcontract workers who do things like fill in for employees who end up in the hospital or on sabbatical for a month but gets extended into an entire industry due to bad case law decisions.
the bots flag "tank" as a banned word
next minute, the plumbers DYI videos all get banned
Jeremy Sims not to mention all the think tanks. 😉
Eemeli Saarelainen Would be the one good thing to come out if it. Think tanks are shitty things that shouldn't exist.
Tank. Confusing germans and bots since 1918.
Next week someone will post a video "tanking" TH-cam for not demonitizing them and it will get demonitized.
How to store propane tanks
DIY: water tank rain collector
How to maintain a salt water fish tank
All demonetized
good god, his rants have returned, the skies themselves thunder in fear...
If exceptions prove the rule, could you do something altruistic for once and fix this? Please? #IWW
DANMIT WALPOLE
No mate thats just the English weather.
You used the phrase, "it's bonkers."
That's absolutely right. TH-cam has become more and more Orwellian.
If TH-cam want to Destroy TH-cam, this is certainly the way to go about it. Stupid Suits have no idea whatsoever how valuable Lindy, and many others, really are
@@rmcguire7033 This reminds me of the "good old days" of Usenet newsgroups.
Google owns that now and look what they've done to it.
Not long from now we will loo back at this and say "Yeah, that's when YT turned to shit".
it's pretty much every channle on TH-cam. I have heard the same complaint from all my gamers I watch. (the mighty jingles, and quickybaby, and scholagladitoria. ) seems to me like someone needs to start a new company.
And if I make a video about a water tank to battle a drought?
Aleatorio DEMONITIZED
Now this is the stroy all 'bout how...
Water tank declared war on thirst and battled a drought, absolutely slaughtering dehydration!
'Water' is probably a trigger word because of its association with floods.
+silent555
Finally Found Fucking Fluids For Flooding Floors!
The F word? What the fuck does that mean?
TH-camrs need to create a union.
A union made by the company isnt a real union, it needs to be made by the workers (content creators in this case)
that's why I said "youtubers" and not "youtube" ;)
We're not workers. We're not employees of TH-cam. You could form a lobby group consisting of major influencers, but you can't create a union for a workforce that doesn't exist.
There kind of is, in the form of the FUPA organisation (created by ethan ans hila). But its only a union in the sense that they prevent the youtubers video from being taken down unfairly, the law side of a union basically.
If you get enough people to join, it wouldnt matter. If you control the content on youtube, you control youtube.
The current relationship Google has with the world reminds me a whole lot of the relationship the Rockefellers had with the world when they had a monopoly on American oil. Antitrust break-up incoming in 3...2...
There sadly probably won’t be an antitrust because other browsers exist therefore Google isn’t a monopoly
ib4 google facebook amazon and apple are getting sued for antitrust: just search for "google facebook apple amazon antitrust" and u'll find it
@jocaguz18 passive agressive much? i know i was just giving the information for poeple that hadn't heard of that. never said thoses companies would disappear or whatever you understood, but they're still taking a hit
@jocaguz18 yeah im in a depression, mb if i was mistaken...
Maybe make a video of an axewielding tank?
no make a video about killer Nazi war battle mega death tanks. that ought to get the bots going.
th-cam.com/video/bjqBhLrzVM0/w-d-xo.html
nah a nega nazi bot killing death tank with axe bladed treads retractable swords and it shoots ninjas with firepots out of a swivel mounted trebuchet, with napalm sticky grenade flinging slingshots at the rear and a cattle rail in the front covered in trump hating 3rd wave feminazi liberals held on by a donkeys fecal matter and barbed razorwire and fueled by NFL sjw kneeler tears! thatll set the bots off for sure!
+James Smallwood - You forgot the bump-fire stock. And the shoulder thing that goes up.
Mike Phelps 😆😆😆😆 we can mount that on a shotgun rack behind the driver seat as the eletromagnetic fidget spinner of doom is on the dash
Gun videos get "Warning: Triggers"
Computer says no.
I didnt even know about your wonderful channel until recently! Almost like youtube was hiding it then bang you pop up in recommended years after the fact.
Lindy, you should make a video about water tanks and bottles, just to see if TH-cam filters for the word "tank". Just do a review of the bottles for hiking or the gym, with no hint towards anything military.
The best way to show that a system has problems, is to make those problems glaringly obvious and ridiculous.
I'm not a google engineer but I do have expertise in machine learning, which is likely at the heart of youtube's income system, and is definitely at the heart of youtube's demonetizing bots. My best guess is that google representatives don't answer your questions because literally no one knows the answers. Not even the engineers who designed the bots can actually tell you why the bots behave the way they do. The systems we create these days are complex and inscrutable. We can show that they 'work', which is to say that they accomplish some abstract well defined task with a high degree of accuracy on some well defined testing data, but we literally can't explain how they work. We can't inspect them in any meaningful way.
As a result of your career, you are exposed to this type of technology and the ethical and legal challenges they create, but the problems of deep learning are spreading throughout our society. Adapting to these disruptive technologies is, in my honest opinion, the most challenging hurdle we will need to overcome in the next 10-40 years.
I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect what google is doing isn't even illegal. The technologies and strategies they are using are simply too new for us to have legal precedent to draw from, and we will never gain that precedent until people start suing the shit out of TH-cam, Alphabet, Facebook, etc. Frankly, I don't want to sign a petition to reinstate Thand's channel because I don't want him reinstated. I want him to sue so we can start clearing up this massive grey area lying in our future.
The "it was the algorithm" blanket response is bullshit because they can tweak parameters to have the bots flag what they want, that is exactly what they did after so many years of smooth sailing.
That's the problem. We keep implementing harmful technology because those who are supposed to regulate its implementation are incompetent. I don't think it's their fault. A legislator can't keep up with advances in technology.
But the shady nature of this system is evident to anyone with even a modicum of sense.
Machine learning is good and it might even be humanity's launching pad, but this is a really complex A.I., created to act as a proxy to deny any legal action against its creators while keeping employees to a minimum. That's bad enough, but this is one of the very few instances of an AI with actual power.
Their system can sink your business, destroy your livelihood and censor you. It shapes what you're encouraged to watch, which in turn controls the content of future videos. And all of this is basically unsupervised, because as you said the data stream is too big to be analysed in a practical way.
In the beginning of TH-cam, content creators decided the direction of the website. Then, of course, the public became the driving force. You give people what they want, it's all fine. But now advertisers are the ones in control. They don't watch the videos, they don't care about the content.
And remember, the website is still called TH-cam. It's all shit.
On a sidenote, I don't think we'll ever adopt these technologies flawlessly. They're just inherently dangerous and unpredictable.
At most we can hope to define the legal boundaries in order to keep things as clear as possible.
TL:DR People are lazy so they make programs to write their programs to the point that no one even knows what is going on anymore.
Personally I don't think the people creating these algorithms are lazy. I have no doubt that the inherent inability to know what the algorithms is doing in specific terms is done on purpose by TH-cam (and others) for the very legal reasons that people here are discussing. It's a legal defense so when they get into court they can say: "we can't be held accountable because even we don't know how it works."
Believe me - my father worked for 50 years in the military aeronautical design as and electrical engineer and programmer. The US military would not put up with shit like this. If any contractor submitted an algorithm with internal operations this opaque their contract would be canceled in a microsecond.
> Personally I don't think the people creating these algorithms are lazy.
You are right. They absolutely aren't lazy. Implementing these complex machine learning systems is a finicky pain in the arse.
> I have no doubt that the inherent inability to know what the algorithms is doing in specific terms is done on purpose by TH-cam (and others) for the very legal reasons that people here are discussing.
You are wrong here though. They use these machine learning systems because they provably perform better than classical programming/modelling techniques for most tasks we care about.
> The US military would not put up with shit like this.
They absolutely are putting up with systems like this. Everyone is. These systems, these complex inscrutable black boxes, are coming online in every industry. You are already in contact with them whenever you use any modern digital technology and they will continue to surround and influence your life.
"rape is frowned on" lloyd 2017
middle east
+TheEtonianGamer
Fear of gay muslim-xenophobes?
Callum Shamwana
I think it's got something to do with xenomorphs!
Yeah, here in Eastern Europe, sometimes they even punish you, if you go overboard with it. Just rape with moderation, keep it civilized.
God Satan The Catholic church, prison, the movie and fashion industries, cable news companies...
I will follow you wherever you go. Oh captain, my captain
Probably should add an annotation the video or description letting people know that thrand's channel is back.
Vsauce did a video about these shenanigans and how the algorithm favors short-form click-bait videos. Seems like TH-cam is really stepping on their own dick here. I know if Lindybeige, AvE, Vsauce, and a few others left for other platforms, I would follow. Many video game channels have already done this since Twitch and other platforms treat their content creators better.
IanCaine4728 what is AvE?
Lindy remember to backup all your videos on your pc so if youtube decides to remove your channel you wont lose all your work
Or look to alternative platforms and figure out how to conveniently multi-upload, so you can feel around for viable back up platforms. Or perhaps just use them as free services that backup your videos for you... Might have to read a bunch of fine print, though....
I hope this new bitcoin mining trend prevails and competes with advertising. That way there might at least be a chance to decouple creators from corporate interests and instead establish a system that rewards the creator for their popularity or maybe even the amount of appreciation received in the form of viewers consenting to provide their available computing resources to mine crypto-currency for their favorite creators during their device's idle time or something along those lines.
Basically Folding@Home, but for online content creators.
Please.
I really hope that your channel is not removed. Your topics are VERY well explained and VERY interesting. You’re a great personality and a very interesting presenter. Keep your hands off this channel TH-cam!,!!!
Lloyd, TH-cam employees don't actually know how the algorithm even works, they just didn't want to tell you because that's against the rules.
Executing file iexplorere.exe he’s basically asking “hi how can I exploit your rating system?”
John Dorian They couldn't actually tell him anything though. TH-cam genuinely has no idea how things are determined anymore. Their "algorithm" is based on deep learning.
He is being payed by an AI.
They are sharing revenue with you and they'd rather keep it all to themselves?
Ahh, so it's come to the point that a algorithm determines your fate, with one having no real idea when one will trip it up, or whether it has major flaws in it or not. Which might as such basically seem to randomly shut you down...
Seems to me that perhaps some way needs to be found to make this all a bit less mysterious. For instance some kind of public screening option, where one can identify possible flaws. Or that more information is given on when it finds a potential problem and why it decided to take a certain action. More options for recourse before perhaps before it just terminates a video, monetization or a channel?
Basically in the end, maybe they should find a way to make the system more transparent, predictable and able to resolve conflicts less abruptly?
Google wants to replace all the content creators with AI.
TH-cam has sold out to corporate advertisers. move on over to Full30 and make this place the next MySpace
If we lost Lindybeige I don't know what I'd do, besides maybe mustering an army and besieging TH-cam HQ.
standardtoaster Deus Vult!
A minigun that shoots pommels.
The war that will unite katana lovers and katana haters. The tank cavalry will end TH-cam rightly.
Hi Lindy. This popped up on my feed a few days ago. I had an online shop with shopify (shopisfried) which we paid to use as our e-commerce platform. 2 years after signing up shopifry closed us down and we had to scramble to find another platform. This created enormous stress for us all and we struggled to keep our head above water. (None of the products we sold could be remotely considered illegal or immoral) 5 staff almost lost their jobs. SiliconValley tyranny is real and affect real people in the real world. They really do not seem to be beholden to any moral or even commercial transaction standard. Keep up the shows and I hope you have a plan "B"
It seems to me that if all youtubers published their earnings google would be forced to change this behavior
True, but youtube's EULA specifically states that you aren't allowed to publish (or even discuss) your earnings with anyone, and that doing so is grounds for having your channel deleted. Sure if /Everyone/ did it then youtube would be forced to change, or we'd all just move to whatever better website ends up replacing them.
But that's still the same long battle ancient unions had to do back when most businesses were this de-regulated, and currently trump and most of his voters want to remove those same regulations and protections so that normal jobs are just as unstable as youtube. Great for the company (short term at least) bad for the workers and the customers.
You can make it happen, sure, but given past models it's going to take two generations and numerous riots. First let the trump voters have their way and watch as they burn themselves, going right back into a third great depression the same as the last two times this sort of thing happened. Then the generation after them will be so sick of how terrible everything is that something close to a social war ends up pushing for radical upheaval, most likely in the form of unions concerning internet practices or some form of public owned, non-profit social media set up on patreon money. (IE: Taxes in another name, being functionally a new government program by a different design).
This is all assuming that some new competitor doesn't show up that ends up shutting down youtube the same way netflix shut down Blockbuster and Discord shut down Skype or how Facebook shut down Myspace.
Btw, you can no longer have the word 'TH-cam' in the title. It has simply become too controversial.
Is this true?
Next thing the bot takes down will be TH-cam then.
Trademarks dont want to be associated with youtube and that sort to thing
XD XD XD
Cynical Historian had uploaded few minutes long video of ocean. With a tag 'history'. Video was demonetized anyway.
Topics history, war, battles, weapon seem not to be 'advertisers friendly'. TH-cam is turning into TV.
We're getting there. Few weeks ago I could read four or five replies to a comment straight away, now I have to expand every single one.
Don't comment, just watch next ad already! (Oh, and a video, if you must.)
There is always a documentary about hitler on TV. and people cursing is also a major hit on TV. the most succesfull TV show was about 3 englishmen cursing, driving cars and making racist remarks about germans, french, russians, asian people, and dont get me started about the stuff they said about the welsh.
TH-cam is way more harsh than TV.
rambo8wradio In one sense I can understand that history channels may be less desirable for advertisers, because those videos tend to feel less engaging and viewers are less likely to be willing to click. But in the other hand, there's enough content in TH-cam to justify some sort of categorization that is used to better classify channels and select ads that fit them best. And there's no excuse for completely demonitizing a channel or removing it entirely.
more like people smart enough to not click on an ad just because it sounds silly awesome, which is what tv channels get paid from (persuasion, not clicks, of course) on the more simple common demominator. Its a stupid phenomenom as of late, why not have more stuff of what people want AND keep the stuff a lot of other people already wanted? If the ads are the stuff that isnt working maybe work better on where they place those ads
He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future.
I've been watching a lot of your videos recently and I'm so pleased that your channel is still here.
Thanks for all the content over the years good sir.
This video appeared on my “recommend” page in May 2020... Sadly too late to sign the petition...
Lindybeige if there comes a day when you decide to move away from TH-cam, I will gladly watch your videos elsewhere.
They can make a bot that fools you, for a little while, with emails, but they can't make a bot that can tell if a video is legitimate? Yeah right. They just don't care.
We thank you for your concern.
If you have any more concerns, feel free to contact us.
Your case number is: 1573983276
Sincerely, Bob J.
Please provide the URL of the bot you are having a problem with. Regards, Human McPerson
"Human McPerson".. hahahahahaha
The bot only looks to see if the video should be demonetized and it is extremely effective since it is picking up all kinds of details. Of course it doesn't understand context and takes everything literally.
Love your genuine delivery and approach. Also really appreciate the insights into TH-cam and how they treat their cash cows. I feel like I'm in a really great History class when I watch your videos. Keep it going!
Doublespeak, purging past records.... I think they read 1984 and mistook it for an instruction manual.
How long until youtubers are put to Room 101?
MrDUneven
I thought that's already happening...
It's a power struggle though, isn't it?
If my suspicions are correct TH-cam needs their advertisers but their advertisers don't necessarily need TH-cam. In the wake of TH-cam's growing power advertisers chose to band together and flex their muscles to halt and control TH-cam's growth. Google with all its power may very well be outmatched here and if that's the case there's not much they can do save for continuing to push youtube red or integrate their own patreon type system into youtube.
You should make more videos wearing a sombrero.
Kyven TheRichMan I like the cultural diversity
I enjoy this idea too
Someone will cry cultural appropriation, and he will get his channel closed down by Big Brother
Kyven TheRichMan I think it's a racist and offensive stereotype.
I don't want to think lindy is a neo nazi bogoted trump supporter but...
Pls no
This is why patreon needs to start its own video hosting to compete long term with TH-cam.
sometimes i think people at google work like gnomes from south park that stole underwear
TH-cam is kind of your pimp.
This is a bit accurate.
George Orwell was 33 years wrong
Not entirely accurate as campaniles are not legally obligated to let you do anything or say anything on their platform. The first amendment only applies to you speaking out about the government in any form as long as it is not seditious in nature. You can't be jailed or censured by the government for criticism.
+Neo Feudalist
Food for thought:
If a company is required to "just bake the fucking cake", is a company not also required to "just publish the fucking video"?
ColonelSandersLite Technically, yes. In reality, no. There's been a strong leftist push for the past decade or so where the rights of the left are generally enforced than that of the right. Free speech is only for things that the left consider ok, anything else isn't. It's ok to force a bakery to bake for a gay wedding but anything else it's not ok.
Don't get me wrong, there's always been something of a double standard where the law is concerned. The only thing is that the pendulum has swung from the right and right on past the middle and over to the far left. Things are still unequal, despite what a lot of progressives might feel, it's just that now the inequality has shifted from one group to another.
It's funny you should say that, Riceball, 'cos from where I'm standing it would appear to me that the right has held more than its fair share of the public stage than it aught to; more than it has ever held in my lifetime. I use the pendulum analogy myself, and I feel it's only just beginning to swing back leftwards now.
That's not to say that it hasn't been too far left in the recent past, but the pendulum keeps on swinging. Just so long as it doesn't get stuck at one end or the other!
Just a matter of perspective really (10pts if you get the reference I'm thinking of ^^).
I view TH-camrs as Entertainment Contractors, more similar to a musician playing bars than a usual employee.
yeah employee seems a stretch
Not the same thing, but last month I uploaded a video of me petting my dog's belly, for my mom to see. A few hours later I got an email that TH-cam has disabled it for violating community standards! My channel, across all of my videos, has less than 150 views, and most of them are from me. I'm not sure what community they're worried about, or how anything I've posted, let alone petting my dog's belly, is violating standards. I appealed a couple of times and never got a response email, but one day I noticed that the video wasn't disabled anymore. They couldn't even be bothered to send an automated notification and apology.
Pls no, your channel is one of the reasons why I am still alive
RIP chin chin
Thumbsdown Bandit
That is what caused me to become alive, this channel is what sustains it
Orewa o Chin Chin ga daisuki nanda yo.
Lord Chon Chin take my chromosomes.
THE DARK LORD IS HERE
I am quite worried about the situation with youtube, but I think I might offer some insight here:
While there is the possibility that you were corresponding with a service-contractor somewhere in India, I think both the mail-exchange and the de-monetization might be handled by deep learners. Those are essentially bots that are not scripted but trained. They dont have a clear set of rules they follow, but instead have been trained to emulate some wanted results for a given data-input. You can think of it as the bot watching a human do something thousands of times and being judged on how close it gets to the human results.
The thing with deep-learners is: no one can tell you what speciic part of the data they are fed has led to them making a specific decision. They are so called "black box" algorithms.
I think the answer why no one can tell you why they are demonetizing specific videos is, because no one (outside of a highly specialised group of employees) has a clue why a bot has made a particular decission. What they do instead (just guessing here though) is that they let a human check the videos and feed that data back to the deep-learner for him to re-evaluate his decision making. They are probably going "bad AI" while doing so.
Just guesswork, but my work required me to read up un those things for a bit.
Kind regards,
Grim
replying to old post but here goes... example to backup this perspective th-cam.com/video/TRzBk_KuIaM/w-d-xo.html
Ted talk on how AI's logic and mistakes can evade the very people who created them.
Also Project Veritas has revealed silicon valley's institutional bias & bigotry.
I’m a fan of Lindybeige’s videos, his knowledge and enthusiasm make history really interesting 👍 much more fun than school. I didn’t know this was the way TH-cam behaved, thanks for the insight. I’ll be very disappointed if the channel’s taken down or the range of videos are restricted.
Your videos often do not appear in my subscriptions even though I clicked the bell.
Gordon Chin they do for me. Hmm... May be a location algorithm as well?
I'll probably get lynched for saying this, but perhaps youtube content creators should do what other people have done when their "employers" have threatened their livelihoods with summary termination, unreliable wages, and "independent subcontracting". Unionise. TH-cam is nothing without it's content creators, and has a virtual monopoly on advertising to under 30s. They have the power to dictate to advertisers on behalf of content creators, if given an incentive to do so.
Ethan Finley Unions created by the employer aren't unions.
Ethan Finley a Network is not a union, it's a protection racket. A union is by members for members, and where there is a fee, it's a fixed membership fee, not a percentage of revenue.
A creator made union sounds like a great idea.
Supply and demand exists. There is always more people uploading videos to youtube. Even if everyone but the bottom 10% left there would still be more content then you could watch in your liftime
Lord of midgets yeah but it would be shit content
I've already followed a dozen youtubers over to vidme. I have the site white listed for adblock. TH-cam is adblocked because it crashes my browser if I unblock it.
I just keep it blocked because I never know if some douche company claimed a video. And Google does a shitty job filtering malicious ads for it's adsense, so why risk my computer when the multibillion company won't give two shits.
Same thing happens to me, I actually LOVE watching good commercials because it's usually telling me about stuff I want. What I don't like is when the commercials fail to load and constantly crash, and even the skip button just takes you to another broken commercial.
Plus, why give youtube ad revenue when they fuck their content creators.
Very insightful.... Sounds like the market is ripe for competition and the supplanting of TH-cam, due to a more ethical model, as you highlight - really glad that you made this video.
haha. a petition on change.org against change.org sounds brilliant (specifically the default facebook sharing behaviour ofcourse). It never fails to amuse me, the realisation that all these systems developed by people, are really just people with their heads up their arses. They building systems sure, that's great....but they also have their heads up their arses. Never forget that. Welcome to planet earth.
Redirect us to a new platform
He is back. No longer banned. Wooop!
Lloyd, you should do some self published books through Amazon createspace and kindle. Sales vary, but the royalty is always the same. You have such a following and are so articulate and erudite that I am sure you would smash it.
algorithm - word used by programmers when they do not want to explain what they did
Also:
algorithm - word used by programmers when they have no clue, if what they implement actually works outside of their lab test
Algorithm: word used by helpdesk, marketing, etc., (not programmers) to mean "complicated computer stuff that I won't be held responsible for"
the first thing I saw on vid.me was a little message that said "welcome to vidme, we love you, human". I never felt so welcome before... and that's just kinda sad.
Now it seems closed :S
youtube has inatalled this self learning algorithm. they dont know how it works and it isnt very polished yet. what they can do is tell the algorithm when it has judged a video poorly. so what they do is just let the algorithm screw some people so they will report the unwanted behavior to youtube and then they correct the algorithm. this process can take a long time. creating a bot that can judge a video as well or better as a human is not that easy.
youtube accepts the casualties to improve the algorithm in the long run. i think thats a bad idea and will damage its reputation and content creators.
what they definately should do is being more transparent and tell the creators whats going on.
This is all true as far as I know, but I still think it's wrong on a fundamental level to implement a bot with this level of responsibility in the first place.
they'd need armies of ppl to replace that algorithm. money down the drain for them. and still be hold responsible for some crap ppl put online
Aside from the hours spent watching, enjoying, and learning from your content... the fact that you are so humble to the point of you considering having a patreon account as having to hold out the “begging bowl” after what i would describe as you and your livelihood being handcuffed by youtube’s bots and algorithms is exactly why i’m going from here to find you on patreon. I don’t know anything about you outside of your content but if your not a professor already, or teach in some capacity, I hope you one day consider it.
I tip my sombrero to you sir
This is a pretty dire warning. We've all grown up with Sci Fi dystopian movies. This is just a taste of what complete automation in society can look like, and being governed by a faceless, all powerful, bureaucratic totalitarian entity. Hopefully this can be stopped now before it gets completely out of hand.
the only way to stop it is to go over to something else.
feels like kafka here
demonetized by a dead fly on a form sheet...
Google is skynet...
Correct! And these entity is the cultural marxism.
that leaf is wrong
Loved that he went into all the tiny details, especially the bot thing.