Muzzle Brakes - what are they for?
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Those things on the end of some gun barrels - what do they do?
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A mystery that lasted for many years with me - what is the purpose of those strange things on the end of some, but far from all, gun barrels? It turns out that they are called muzzle brakes, and that I can ramble for rather a long time about them, if I let myself get sidelined enough.
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gotta say，he has passion for this and it's very nice to see him passionate about it and explain it thoroughly
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“Muzzle break is a more accurate term. So the muzzle is on the front bit of the gun.”
*Literally one second later*
“So, a barrel break has two main functions”
Kaeden Ngai-Natsuhara when i heard that i laughed quiet hard
I read that exactly when he was saying it...
teach me great wizard m(_ _)m
5:46
Hahaha I guess I'm weird cuz I'm the only one in my class who finds this kinds of topics interesting
Yeah, that made me laught
It's to shoot sideways if you get flanked
...but do you have to be flanked from both sides at the same time or does it work with only one side also?
reffiller I don't think you have a choice, but I'm not an expert
No i think the turret is for that
We are now handling a lot of new stuff here, what's the turret and should I buy one?
Its the thing at the top of the tank that turns around moves the gun ya dumbdumb
Short answer: They're for reducing recoil, managing smoke, and looking super cool.
Thanks. I stopped watching after 5 minutes. I mean dear God he talks a lot!
@@Sniperification100 wow imagine having such a micro brain you can only digest a few minutes of Information before it overwhelms you
@@Nikotheleepic the actual info started around 5 mins in. before that was some story i wasn't here for so i understand that comment.
@The Curious Mind this was my first time watching his vid and I was like Wow! a 20 min vid about muzzle brake. now I get it why a lot of his vids are so long lol. good content though.
@The Curious Mind If you don't want a long form answer google it you luddite.
Most people: “yes I tried drugs ... I was young!”
Lindy Beige: “It was a part in the kit and I wanted to use it ... I was young!”
Rocky Dennis YES.
Rocky Dennis 1.9K viewers liked it or thought it was funny. 🤷🏼♂️
well see he couldn't make it anime accurate because he hadn't seen the anime
@ParkChung Hee dose *
We are talking English men here!
"Here's a very small gun..."
*37mm AT Gun*
LOL
Well it is small
Really? It didn’t look like much more than a 1mm gun to me.
Compared to a 120mm smooth bore, 37mm ain’t big.
_laughs in 88mm ww2 german dual purpose cannon_
@WerstInternetUser 460mm high explosive shell from yamato:
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Can you put a muzzle brake on a fire arrow?
I love this comment
Razamataz Productions we have a problem with 'fire'
Maybe pommels would suit it better..
LOL
You can on a pommel
I actually served in artillery and didn't know why some guns had brakes and others didn't. Thank you.
But surely you knew what it did?
People who are new to this mans videos, he is a lecturer. He does not use scripts, and rambles on and on giving countless details and experiences hes had granting additional knowledge to you. If you impatient fools cant sit here and enjoy his enthusiasm and joy of sharing knowledge then follow one of the time stamps people keep putting here and dont pollute the comment section with your negative comments complaining about his charming lack of argument structure.
Mister Dinner I agree wv u.
Someone who keeps calling a muzzle break a "barrel break" has questionable knowledge.
I shit in your hat.
That is my reply, sirrah.
bravo
Mister Dinner who knew.
What's a muzzle break?
Tank Commander: Dunno, My job is just to say "Fayar"
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Ten minutes of how you grew up playing with your self to explain a muzzle break get to the point leave comedy to the comedians
what r the multi little tubes on both sides of a tank turret
if im understanding what ur talking about correctly, then those are smoke launchers that fire short ranged smoke grenades (canisters) to hide the tank in a smoke screen if required.
Muzzle break is when you sit on the barrel to eat your sandwiches.
"Shit I gotta stop saying Barrel Break, It's Muzzle Break"
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"Anyway, Back to Barrel Breaks"
Lol..
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As an American, I was befuddled why someone would not know about muzzlebrakes or their primary purpose "giving concussions to the people to the left and right of you." But you brought up good points about their use in artillery and tanks, so found this very informative.
When you're next to someone shooting my 300 win mag rifle, you feel the concussion in your soul, and if you're too close it will feel like it nips at your face, I can't think of a better way to describe it. I can't imagine how 50BMG, let alone a cannon would feel
What do you mean as an American? Not all Americans are soldiers or served around artillery you know. I'm going to assume most people in general know nothing about warfare especially since we live in peaceful times.
@@rivalx288 there are 300+ million guns in America, there is a very good chance any American has shot guns, and it does not take long shooting at a range to have to deal with someone who put an obnoxious muzzle break on their rifle (occasionally pistol)
I dont think Lindy realizes theres a mechanism to stop the barrel from recoiling back inside the tank and muzzle brakes are there to mitigate muzzle rise, not necessarily recoil.
as an Irishman, I'm not sure if yer joking or not
Im sorry. But is that a GIANT pencil in the background?
It is quite large, yes, and golden.
Iron Mark He got it for poetry i think.
Nah it's for stabbing cyclopes in the eye.
Can you convince very drunk/high people that you have shrunk them, and yourself down using it as a prop?
Lindybeige is having you all on, it's a normal sized pencil that's been made to appear further away than it really is.
All I want is some Lindybeige narrated audio books.
same
specifically i want him to go on his own tangents that are not in the original texts.
I'll read you a book. It won't be the same, I just like books
MR.Chickennuget 360 "that leaf is wrong"
the relaxing sound of him stammering as he tries to collect his thoughts which only scramble from his grasp like a basket of kittens.
Lindy, this is a fantastic piece and I've learned a ton. Can't thank you enough.
That said, the whole time I watched I was almost certain John Cleese was going to suddenly burst in wearing a constable's uniform and shut you down, his palm extended into the camera lens, saying something like, "Sorry, state security, nothing to see here, stop filming, move along..."
I have yet to find another youtube channel that has such a strong Monty Python vibe without directly using or recycling actual Monty Python jokes.
Expanding this to address small arms.
In addition to smoke management - which isn’t an issue with modern ammunition - muzzle breaks manage dust and foliage disruption, allowing you to keep hidden from your opponents. This is taken to its logical extreme with suppressed supersonic ammunition. On the receiving end, what you hear is the sonic boom of the bullet passing by (which is really loud), followed by the impact of the bullet, - but here’s the neat part: the apparent direction is the opposite of the real direction, making you turn your back to the shooter.
Lindybeige’s point about recoil management is even more important with high powered small arms (think .338 and up), as shooting those all day is extraordinarily painful without an effective break (and yes, suppressors also act as muzzle breaks, under the same principle).
But how do muzzle breaks work?
A significant part of the felt recoil of a gun is from the exhaust gasses following the projectile, acting like a simple rocket with a very short duration burn. You can capture that by redirecting it with a muzzle break, by placing a flat surface with a hole for your projectile, so that when the exhaust gasses escape the barrel they face a solid wall ahead (because the hole in the flat surface is very temporarily filled by the projectile) and to turn 90 degrees sideways they have to dump their forward kinetic energy into the break before accelerating sideways (or whichever direction the break is pointed).
But what about the funny tips of AK pattern rifles? Those look more like rocket bells than the breaks you might see on an AR pattern rifle? Good catch - those are so similar to rocket bells because that’s what they’re trying to do - increase the recoil of the gun to properly cycle it. This is most commonly seen in short barrels, which don’t have enough time to capture the recoil to reliably cycle the action, and so need to boost the recoil of the gun.
How does a suppressor work as a muzzle break?
An even better explanation than Lindy.
@@kabukiman2153 Because it has walls inside (called baffles I think) that are exactly the same as the walls that redirect the expanding gas on a muzzle brake. Where they differ is of course what they do with the gas after that, muzzle breaks do nought whereas suppressors reduce the pressure and speed of the gas by containing it and therefore making it quieter
@Ded Pewl I'd imagine silencers would have to be lined with a metal brillow mesh padding like material to trap the gas exhaustion..?
The drawbacks would be soot and over heating with semi/automatic firing..
Do they have to be changed every so often like a water filter?
Also has anyone tried making an entire barrel porous? I understand it wouldn't work anywhere with dirt.. but a concrete jungle perhaps.. I would also assume air drag but what about accuracy if the entire barrel was aligned with muzzle brakes?
@@rrpearsall No, it's just metal. Material doesn't really matter, it doesn't trap gas by consuming it but rather traps it by allowing it more volume to expand before it leaves the barrel, the more volume it has to expand, the less pressure it is under, which means less gas exits the barrel, and so produces a quieter sound.
You've been waiting all these years to show your toy tanks to the world, didn't you?
Yes, “smashing” job on those little models. Mine were crummy at that age, but I, too, would have installed the transit support on the dingus that would have to take out French cafes (preferably barrister’s offices) to make a turn. Thank you for displaying your works. I may need a return-to-childhood experience to try my hand at them now.
Not at all................only because Lindy show us his tanks quite often!
This comment was almost perfect. High or too proud of yourself?
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* haven’t you
Exactly what I thought
What's everyone's problem? So what if it took him a while to get to the point? He is a truly brilliant man, and made a 22 minute video without a single cut or major error. He used historical references to prove his points as well. A toast to you, Lindy!
The Real Potato Dragon I like his going into details and toughtful insight!!!
I'm fascinated with his model building capabilities
Definitely not the channel for people with 5-second attention spans.
I think it’s a lot more enjoyable to watch when he gives not just factual examples but talks about his own experiences on why this is a discussable topic. Also 10/10 charisma
I know it's dated but I served over twenty years in the US Armor Corp. While you are correct with each point made regarding the role of the muzzlebreak, the main benefit was that it cleared your vision so you could observe where the round impacted and adjust accurately (WW2 tank crews had to hit their target within the first three rounds to qualify whereas modern gun crews are allowed one due to technology used). You usually don't see a muzzlebreak on guns whose caliber is 50mm or less (or short-barreled 75mm like the early war Sherman, T-34 or Pz IVb) as the round uses less propellant (gunpowder). But as the war progressed and the tanks got "meaner" the rule (up until the mid-1970's) was the harder the punch=the longer the barrel=the more propellant needed to push that bigger round down that longer barrel=more smoke.
Now, modern tanks, whose caliber are typically 120mm +/- (NATO Standard) do not have muzzlebreaks as the propellant burns much, much cleaner. What one sees when one watches a video of a tank live fire is mostly dirt and debris kicked up by the shock wave which clears away faster as it's both heavier then smoke and blasted away from the tank.
P.S...while I was incredible fortunate enough to have worked alongside my British counterparts in both Germany, Kuwait and Iraq I wished I was aware of the term "Brassed Up" as I would have used it at every opportunity!
What pushes any round out of its barrel is the force of the explosion of the propellant being converted from a solid to a gas which creates a shock wave (rapidly contained over-pressurization). Now, both the round and the shock wave must exit through the front end of the barrel as the back is blocked by a breach (a very, very small amount of force is converted into physical recoil). Now, as the round exits the barrel, it travels on a set trajectory direction. The Shock wave following the round however, travels out in all directions (sphere or ball shaped). If you were fire a rifle from the prone position over sand after a few rounds you will see a "ripple" pattern in the sand below the muzzle end. Now, the part of the shock wave that follows the round out and then expands like a ball pushes against the muzzlebreak as it forms it's shock circle (ripples). That "pushing" the barrel forward helps reduce the 'pushing" the barrel backward (recoil). As I can't post pics or diagrams I hope this helps.
@garrulousglandarius in short it redirects exhuast gasses back toward the shooter. Apply opposite force reducing recoil . In the uk Used on top end target air rifles in .177 learn to shoot well with a spring powered air rifle and any gun from there on is easy to use
If you think smoke obscures your vision firing one of those try firing a Vulcan, when we would fire at ground targets on a day without a breeze you had to electrically "lock out" the drive motors for the turret and stand on your feet if you wanted any chance of seeing where the rounds impacted, a day with a stiff breeze or swinging while shooting at aerial targets wasn't a problem though.
Muzzle breaks do several things and depends one its design what feature they have.
Mostly it expells gas to the side which is its main purpose.
This foes several things one limits the gas going straight up, 2 reduces recoil as it keeps the gas from pushing straight back on the rifle fired all forces have equal and opposite reaction.
Several can even obscure sound making it sound farther or close than it really is.
Also, a large cloud of smoke in a single spot gives your position away as well.
This is why most artillary are also rifles not cannons.
As cannons are smooth bore and rifles, well are rifled. You need less propellant for a rifle than a smooth bore as well.
Muzzle brakes be like
"I used the recoil to diminish the recoil
_1_8_9_ high IQ
It uses the residual gas pressure to divert part of the muzzle blast to the rear. Too much muzzle brake will cause the barrel to be pulled forward. Recoil can be balanced to the point that there is no recoil.
That's actually not that far off from what it does. You're using the propellant gasses once the projectile leaves the barrel to provide forward thrust on the weapon, thus reducing recoil.
Sometimes, you need to think like your enemy.. to defeat it...
If our teachers in schools taught every subject like Lindybeige teaches his. We'd all be geniuses.
Somewhere your grammar school English teacher just facepalmed without knowing why...
Blitz 0012 my favourite professor in university gave lectures in exactly the same fashion and I was enthralled the entire year
I hope my seminary professors are like him
Only thing is he's so blabby you wouldn't graduate high school until you were 37 years old.
I had a few teachers like that in college, you just hoped at the start of the semester they wouldnt' shedule his course on friday's last period ,...or first period in fact, because, you know....it was college.
When I was a kid I asked my big brother why the guns had holes in the side.
He was like. "Stops it getting too hot or something. Now shut up!"
For thirty odd years and up until about twenty minutes ago I always wondered how holes in the end could possibly keep the gun cool - they don't
Thanks, Lindybeige - great video
they do, Muzzle break and ventilation holes are different things.
Holes keep the barrel cooler for longer sprays.
No it was never used to stop it getting hot it's purely to stop damaging the breech from constant firing
How do I know I served in the 1/15th Royal New South Wales Lancer's - A recon unit that is seconded to the 2nd Armoured Brigade Royal Australian Army Tank Corp - Pukapunyal Victoria
i’m so happy this dude i successful as a youtuber cause he genuinely puts tons of work into his videos and rly cares about the topic and is just making videos of him trying to help others understand his passion
he defines everything which is endearing sbout British eccentrics.
We had a fella near us who walked his parrot on his shoulder.
he also put his terriers in dinner jackets, but he was such a lovely fella that you couldn't help but engage with him.
he called his big dog Harriet...
and he wasn't even a girl dog!
5:45 - *Lindybeige:* A barrel break... Or a muzzle break, I should really say, _muzzle break_ is a better, more accurate term for them... So, a barrel break has 2 main functions."
Starts at 5:50
Thomas Ellis sadly I found this comment at 4:42...
lol, its a hell of a long intro though
I went to a range and hired a .223 for an hour, the only space free to shoot was right next to a guy with a .300 WinMag with a muzzle brake and every time he shot it hurt my face. After the hour was up, my eyes were red and my right ear was slightly ringing even with ear plugs. Was an experience.
You are not in America are you? You're definitely not in Texas.
Nope. I chase Kangaroos and hug Drop Bears
I love being an Australian
you could have turned sideways before you pulled the trigger
cabritorsss you've never been next to someone shooting a .300 WIN mag with a muzzle brake, have you? The muzzle brake deflects a lot of sound and pressure to the side, it's WAY worse beside it than behind it.
I actually had to learn about muzzle brakes the hard way when a friend of mine had me try his .50 cal and after it knocked me off the bench he tossed me the brake laughing and said you might need this 😂
Huh... Sound like America to me
So what is it for?
@@fleadoggreen9062 it helps mitigate alot of the recoil in a .50 cal both upward and rearward imagin it like a jet of gas that is specifically tuned to keep the gun as stable as possible
Zachary Lancon thank you
@@fleadoggreen9062 yea....its not just for .50 call though the one in the video thumb nail is for i believe a 20mm mounted cannon but it basically does the same thing....and there are some for the ar15 that are so overly effective they can actually push the muzzle down
The 4 tank models my brother and I made when we were young, we took out to the pond, I put my 2 American tanks in position on the field near the pond, and he did the same with his two German tanks opposing them opposite the pond. Each of us had a .22 rifle and taking turns with a single shot each making sure they were difficult shots, we ......shot them. To see who was the last tank standing. And so, this is why English kids like Lindybeige still have his tank models to this very day. And American farm kids .... um.....well...... don't.
I did the same with my model tanks and planes and I am English
This was enlightening! To be 100% honest, I had always figured muzzle brakes on rifles like the AK were primarily for concealment / not giving away one's position. Smoke management makes total sense. The RECOIL dampening was the big one I never even realized!
Apparently (from a comment above yours) the design on the AK is actually to increase the recoil to help cycle the gun properly.
muzzle brakes are giant pommels you can unscrew it and throw it at the enemy
Willem van der Decken the guns handles are giant pommels and don't forget the lamb sauce cap, it is extra deadly because Gordan Ramsey
to end them rightly I suppose.
Myes, quite
Use a sling for better range.
Black Templar lol
i love that this dude told a story of looking up something on the internet and its still entertaining
Hey there, American tactical rifle builder here. I just wanted to thank you for working so hard to force yourself to use the proper term “muzzle brake”, and also to point out a possible third application or risk of the muzzle brake, depending on the design of the tank: in rifles, one of the benefits of a muzzle brake is it hides the muzzle flash. If you’re aiming at a distant target in the dark, the flash of your own muzzle can ruin your night vision and dazzle you, rendering you fairly useless in the rest of the fight. I assume this is possible for any tank sight close enough to the axis of the bore, so a muzzle brake can direct the flash away from the exact point the gunner is looking. Or directly into, if you design it poorly enough.
Maybe it's just me but I enjoy all the extra info about muzzle breaks lindy gives out. It's interesting and way more entertaining than a video that just gets right to the point and adds nothing extra to the content they're talking about.
5:41 Is Where he starts to explain what a muzzle break is for.
I did not make far as that .
Thank you sir
Thanks, I was just about to give up!
Thank you.
You are supposed to listen to the cracked out hobo's rant.
When the tank commander responded what was a muzzle brake ? I was like:Yes I finally know more then somebody!
I'm not as surprised as I probably should be that the tank commander didn't know what that was.
The Brits don't have any tanks that use them, nor do they have artillery or SPGs that use them either. And while they have a few sniper rifles in the commonwealth that do, can't expect a tanker to have fired one of them.
In the US, our Howitzers still have them (and they put quite a bit of space between guns due to the side-blast), as well as a number of cannon in Armored units.
wrong, actually. The Royal Artillery use the 105mm Light Gun, which as any gunner will tell you, has a muzzle break that works at 35% efficiency
and further to my last point, the Royal Artillery also uses the AS90 self propelled gun, which also possesses a muzzle break.
I stand corrected!
I thought they'd gotten rid of those artillery pieces a while back(at about the same time the US upgraded it's howitzers) for some reason, and I didn't know of the SPG in particular.
There is a third purpose on riffles. The famous Tommygun (Chicago Typewriter) has the barrel sitting so far above your shoulder that the recoil causes a tremendous torque rotating the gun up. On full-auto, it is impossible to keep the fire on target for more than three rounds. So they invented a special muzzle brake which ejects the gasses upwards only to compensate.
The M16 is the first riffle which has the barrels perfectly in line with your shoulder. This is possible due to the special sights of the M16. Either you raise the barrel with sights to be able to aim along the barrel or you use special sights. Before full-auto action, the recoil was not a problem and nobody considered the upwards recoil during the design of the Tommygun.
That's some amazingly good modelling for 8 yr old.
Aussie Wirraway It really is... I just have no idea how an 8yo made it!. ,':)
Are you the TOG Wirraway? It's Ivan here :)
Isn't it just a kit of premade elements that you just have to glue together?
@@jkepic25
By & large, you're right. For the unambitious the biggest challenge was to avoid getting the glue all over the place (and avoid getting high on the fumes).
Indeed, more "assembly" than "building" but nevertheless an achievement for a five-year-old.
But more ambitious modellers would go on to paint the model as well.
We had more than a hundred airplanes dangling from the kitchen ceiling. From Sopwith Camels to Flying Fortesses ; from Fokker Triplanes to Heinkels.
Spiders loved to build webs between them and Mom was almost permanently at war...
That was 55 years ago. Both Mom and the kitchen squadrons have long since passed on. I wonder where the airplanes went?
@@bertkutoob , Flanders Field.
Growing up in America muzzle breaks were no mystery here. There is confusion however between the difference on brakes, comps and flash hiders.
Aww that little not-so-subtle bit of pride in that sentence ^^
Tom Meakin Not following ya.
UnaSolida I suppose it's your assertion that all Americans would know what a muzzle brake is. It could be seen as bragging or a show of pride. However I think you've just chosen to phrase your comparison of muzzle attachments with your nationality quite by accident.
Seán O'Regan Lol that's what that fruit meant? Hahaha Europeans get triggered really easily. No, I was saying most of us (Americans) grow up around guns. We grew up shooting guns with and without breaks, and you just learn by default what purpose they serve.
" No, I was saying most of us (Americans) grow up around guns. "
If by around guns, you mean playing Call of Duty, then I agree with your statement. You know majority of us Americans live in the cities, where the biggest gun you might ever handle is a glock.
The idea that this grown teddy bear of a man is sitting up at night with the same tanks he made as a kid is screaming and shouting "KABOOOM!! PSSSHHKKKK!! AHHHH DIEDIEDIE!" As he plays war with his toys is such a wholesome thought.
One that I refuse to believe doesn't happen.
DaVeganZombie there models tho .....
@@sean5623 r/whoosh
The first time I ever went to my local gun range there was a gentleman two bays over, maybe 12ft away or so, who had a rather strange rifle. On the muzzle was a brake shaped quite like an arrowhead. As I setup my own rifle and prepared to fire at my paper targets he let out a deafening blast. The sheer force of the wind itself nearly knocked me off my feet. Living in Florida I can honestly say it was far worse than any hurricane I've ever been through.
The blast was so powerful it caught the attention of the range master, who then politely asked the gentlemen to no longer fire said rifle at the range that day. Apparently I wasn't the only one nearby who had received such an intense burst.
So yes muzzle brakes, or compensators as they are sometimes called have a large and rather bothersome effect of dispelling gas in directions it probably shouldn't be heading. I can only imagine how horrid it must have been to receive such a blast while inside an enclosed tank turret.
Another pretty common misconception is between clips and magazines.
I'll have you know that school shootings occour outside of the US aswell.
Gun maniac? You mean, people who acknowledge guns existence, and like to know accurate terminology?
a clip is internal in the gun and a magazine is external?
A magazine has a spring in it, it can be external (like what you load into an AR-15) or internal (like how you load a pump action shotgun).
A clip is simply for holding rounds they're some older rifles that you load with a clip, you can see this if you look up an M1 Garand. Clips are also sometimes used for storage.
The vast majority of the time when you're talking about putting something with bullets into a gun, it is a magazine.
As a bonus, a belt is what it sounds like, a bunch of rounds connected into a line, you see this on heavier machine guns, the belt is usually in a "bucket" with the top of the folded belt loaded into the gun.
Jane is right. A magazine has a spring. Clips hold for reloading. But, I like to call magazines clips because it "triggers" some people into fits that are silly and amusing.
Everyone knows that the muzzle break acts like a barb for when you ram the enemy tank, your barrel will lodge in the enemy tank so he cant run away an then you can shoot it directly inside. :/
"It was a part in the kit and I wanted to use it-- I WAS YOUNG". :D
fuck me, i'd never even put stickers on shit.
i'd just glue the damn fighterplanes together, play with them for a few days, and then normally they'd go on their maiden flight, and that'd be that.
found myself in a kid's shop a year or so ago.. bought a mig31. assembled the cockpit and a few other bits, and got bored.
I was more OCD. I bought a special painting guide to Napoleonic French (sorry, Lloyd) infantry once, and used it to paint my Airfix figures. Lovely. The bugler was awesome.
5:43. Calls it the barrel brake. *Corrects himself
5:53. Proceeds to call it the barrel break 😂
Loll
He even wrote it in the editing 4:53
@UCibLBwBku3HLb_IMSmXo5tw don't worry...
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To feel his pain take 2 words in your vocabulary that you use and swap them like blank and break
A quibble: Muzzle brakes deal mostly with firing impulse of shells acting on guns, not necessarily recoil (while a muzzle brake reduces recoil, it does so in a very indirect manner). Impulse begins when the propellant charge detonates and ends when the projectile and propellant stop acting on the gun, while recoil is the aftermath. Recoil is better handled by increasing the travel length of the gun (which demands a larger turret ring or a radical design, such as a cleft turret). Both recoil and firing impulse can separately limit what guns a vehicle can have, too.
Also: The idea that muzzle brakes interfere with sabots is not correct, I think this might have arisen in WW2 or something when the British blamed their poor manufacturing of APDS sabots on the muzzle brakes, or perhaps a wrong-headed analysis of actual interference of brakes and sabots. Anyway, it at least stymied Anglo and American tankineers until the 1970s until the French showed up with a baffle muzzle brake on a gun firing APDS, so you're in good company I suppose.
The Soviet T-12A anti-tank gun, American M2/M3/M6/M7 Bradley, French Super 90 gun and AMX-10RC light tank all use discarding sabot natures of ammunition and muzzle brakes. Most, if not all, modern light tanks like the American Stryker MGS and M8 AGS use sabots with pepperpot muzzle brakes as well.
Muzzle brakes disappeared on medium and heavy tanks for a much more obvious reason than sabot interference: tanks got heavy. The M1 Abrams's turret (and most other Western tank turrets, likely) weighs as much as an M4 Sherman by itself. Since firing impulse is the primary ailment the muzzle brake cures, it's not very useful on a tank which has sufficient inertia to resist the movement of the shell in the barrel.
Ogorkiewicz uses newtons/ton and cites a ~900 N/ton threshold where the impulse is "noticeable" to the crew. Some production tanks, like the American Sheridan, exceeded this by a substantial amount though (something like 1,100 N/ton), so the threshold is likely very conservative. Most modern main battle tanks (and crews), with their weights exceeding 40 tons, simply wouldn't notice the firing impulses of their guns.
The other major issue you touched upon is overpressure. Western tank commanders are often exposed to external hazards when observing fall of shot, so high overpressures to the sides or rear of the bore can create discomfort for a vehicle crew which has the hatches open, but that would be a very distant second to the mass of modern tanks since it seems to be brushed aside when necessity demands you must mount a large caliber (=>90mm) gun on a light (
Kat Tsun I'm only commenting because I can tell you put effort into that. *Pats on the back*.
As a US Marine. they are primarily designed by Sadistic Armory Sargent's to make cleaning a rifle more difficult. LOL Great Video ( your right about all the other reasons)
I'm a veteran of both Artillery and Armor. So I have a few comments.
First, thanks for talking about modern conventional weapons! A majority of your observations are new to a lot of viewers. Going into "how things work" is pretty cool.
BUT, Second, you are all over the map when it comes to these distinctly different machines. You display both Artillery (weapons that lob explosive shells from a distance without seeing their targets) and Armor (a.k.a., Tanks, with crews that SEE their targets and fire on them directly). They really need to be separated when it comes to muzzle breaks, because Artillery sits still when firing, and Tanks are most often on the move. The design reflects the difference of purpose.
You identify, for a moment, S.P., or "self propelled" guns. Self Propelled ONLY refers to artillery, as opposed to "towed" artillery. A gun that is pulled around by another vehicle that lobs artillery rounds is "towed" artillery, whereas a gun that has it's own wheels is "self propelled". But pretty much ALL tanks have their own wheels, or more usually tracks. It might sound like a petty distinction, but it isn't. Armor and Artillery might look similar, but they have vastly different purposes. "Self Propelled" ONLY deals with artillery, and artillery NEVER USES SABOT rounds. I think you cause confusion.
Oh, and I saw it mentioned before. It's the Abrams Tank, not Abraham. Abrams is a WAY, way more battle tested war machine than any Challenger.
If you really want to get into fascinating physics, tho, you should discover the BORE EVACUATOR. That's the thing on many tanks that is two thirds to three quarters up the tube, not the muzzle break on the end. The knobby bulge in MODERN cannons. It's fascinating because it sucks the smoke out of the tube so the crew inside the tank don't have to choke. Luvs me the bore evacuator.
Anyway, my hats off to American Army MOS's (military occupational specialties) 13B and 19K, and the Marine equivalent. And thanks again, Lindybeige, for an interesting topic.
do they still use HEAT rounds, or is it too ineffective due to new armor.
It's really effective against light vehicles. But generally speaking, MBTs will mainly be loaded with Sabot ammo.
epion660 then why do rpgs use them?
Blox117 Because it can still be useful against light vehicles, like i said. Light vehicles don't just mean trucks and cars. Standard Heat warheads are easily stopped by Spaced armor, certain types of Composite armor, and ERA armor. ERA armor explodes outwards from the vehicle stopping the projectile. Tandem Heat warheads (shells can't have these, RPGs can) can still have effect against ERA armor.
epion660 what about the missiles that go over the top of the tank and penetrate its roof?
I absolutely 💚 your explanations - and I’m a 63 y.o. grandma. Perhaps it’s because I’m a tremendous history buff & American War for Independence re-enactor, but I think it has more to do with your sense of humor and curiosity (lots like mine - I want to know everything!).
He gets to the answer 6 minutes into the video.
He likes to talk.
Thanks
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nor clothing, nor any body parts other than the eye.
SauronsEye I watch him because his tangents are often even better than the "official" topic
SauronsEye thanks
Take a shot every time he says "barrel brake," and then another every time he corrects himself.
Good luck.
My liver called and said it would do terrible things to my health if I tried that....
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lindybeige + firearm or something related = complete mess.
The US sends a delegation of firearm pendants across the Atlantic as a preemptive measure whenever Lloyd makes a video like this.
skip to here 5:52 if you want to get directly to what you are waiting for.
Thanks, appreciate helping me skip the rambling.
thank god
actually enjoyed all the model tanks .... maybe im a nerd i guess
TANKs
I came for the muzzle brakes and stayed for the rambling. Subbed.
Even though this is 7 years old, I enjoy his presentations because he and his editors use visual effects and explanations. This is better than some channels which are just talking heads. Well done.
I'm a slightly less simple man. I see obscure questions, I press like.
When I was 5 I thought it was there to make it look cool XD
And the 90mm gun on the Churchill is nicknamed the flying dustbin,idk why,and it fired mortar shells,it was not very accurate,but if it hit something if it were a tank,and it it didn't penetrate,would give the crew a bad headache,but could easily desert light to medium emplacements and if it hit a pillbox,it would nock out the men inside,or stun them long enough for other tanks or infantry to destroy the pillbox.
Darcy Mangan Same here😁
Same
It still is.
This video is just trying to justify it with other means than coolness.
Darcy Mangan lol...
I'm an artilleryman and I think Lloyd did a great job in this. The "holes" on the muzzle break are called baffles. The tube (or barrel) in the thumbnail features a double-baffled muzzle break.
Chad Warden now thats a name i havent seen forever
I am a tanker and I agree.
Timothy Sielbeck Im a wanker and agree too
He might have. But remember the title of the video is, "Muzzle Brakes - what are they for?" Not, "Muzzle Brakes - everything you need to know about them."
Welfare Crusader They really don't, it's insignificantly small. Really, do not take your weapon knowledge from Fo4, it's all gamified and nonsensical.
Muzzle brakes designs are pretty cool, and they are awesome.
Side note: they had a muzzle break on the Thompson sub-machine gun. It had slots on the top to act as a kind of retro rocket to hold the muzzle down in full auto.
They still make them for rifles to do the same thing as well as venting the gas upward to the right and left which kicks up less dust when firing prone.
The main function of the device you are referring to is called a compensator to counter the tendency for a shoulder-fired small arm to climb skyward during firing. The moniker was "Cutts Compensator". Although it may have a tiny braking effect, a 10+ pound weapon firing a .45 caliber pistol round wouldn't require braking.
All the time, during arty training in ArmA 3, our gunners kept TKing us with the blast.
Ha. That sound pretty cool. :)
What are you even using as artillery pieces? The only fun and worthwhile piece I've seen so far in the game (including mods such as RHS) is the Mk.6 mortar...
Rogem The SPGs.
The Stoned Videogame Nerd I've been trained to use one IRL. Does 360, rises to like 75 or 80 degrees elevation and shoots up to 12 or 13 km depending on the munition and charge. Definitely one of the better options in Arma.
mustafa hammad The explosion or the pressure around the shot? :)
Video starts @ 5:53
Thank you!
sadly i did not notice your comment so wasted 5 minutes from my life.
lol... yeah, he is a ramble-machine.
Thank fluff.
"A muzzle brake or recoil compensator is a device connected to the muzzle of a firearm or cannon that redirects propellant gases to counter recoil and unwanted rising of the barrel during rapid fire". Looked it up while he was ranting.
This is something I've wondered about whenever I watched a war movie, but never took the time to research. Thanks for the thorough explanation - well done, sir!
You've been a great curator of your old toys, fragile are our old toys, sentiment and memories preserved, really rare we can keep our treasures, well done on informative film . Thank you.
Your passion about the topic alone is worth a subscription. Nice info. Thanks.
Take a drink every time he says, "Barrel Brake".
😃
My bladder isn't that big LOL
I refuse to like
Okay, it’s only two shots of vodka
That’s how you get a DUI in a tank~
Hic . . .
It is to disperse the smoke and see if you hit your target. Dispersion also means less detection. Lastly, less recoil directly backwards. Very interesting, thanks
Level of enthusiasm: Over 9000!
I'm 26 and can remember before google; albeit it was only like 2-3 years after I started using the internet at primary school before google came along.
Ask Jeeves was my go-to thing.
Altavista was my weapon of choice.
MrBizteck Altavista had an amazing search refinement tool allowing you to look at what other words appeared on the searched for pages, and unlike google it accepted Boolean logic
We British do have the best eccentrics you can find.
That's because you are a smashing bunch of lads! 😉
Yes in fact if you say eccentric the word Englishman is sure to follow
Exquisite Eccentrics Englishman
I've come to the conclusion that Mr. Beige is a relative of Canadian TH-camr, Clause Kellerman.
"Eccentric." Is that what you call it?
Imagine charging at a military base, hearing the whistle of a shell flying overhead, and then just having your ribs broken by air pressure alone. One hell of a bang, that's for sure.
I'm a simple man. I see tanks, i hit like.
hahaha
Yeah, I would struggle to find something considered as interesting and popular as tanks. Holy crap, the militarists!
I'm a simple infantryman. I see tanks, I hit them with a Panzerschreck.
Be a simple kind of man, son. Be a someone you love and understand.
im teh simpleton innit, i c frenchies I stuff dem viv my bren gun firin salt boolets viv eh barrel braek
For the longest time in WoT or warthunder, if it had a muzzle break it had a good gun.
For the longest time war thunder has NO barrel collision. ! bullshit game
barrel collision would be a huge pain in the ass, and it would get you killed many many times, specially on urban maps, actually, it would make some tanks outright no viable on those maps, not to mention forests, overall, gun collision implamentation would be impractical and unfun.
+Damian De Armas
"unfun" and how is ramming the enemy tank, sticking your barrel thru his turret, that it comes out on the other side and still manage to kill him. HOW is that fun?
AND how is this fun; you shoot a tank, he turns his turret thru every house and tree and kills you. HOW ?
Thexan Like I said, I just dont feel it is a viable gameplay mechanic, this game is not meant to be a simulation either, a tank jumps off a cliff not getting reckt? ha, it is a game, they got rid of friendly fire, they will get rid of simulation mechanics if it gets in the way of gameplay enjoyment. but hell if you want full sumulation you can even add random mechanical breakdowns or something, bet that is realistic.
Damian De Armas
Best explanation I've heard. Well done, sir, and thank you.
I feel so privileged, that I can quietly ponder this for years in complete ignorance, never quite motivated to research it, and then suddenly see a Lindybeige video about this specific topic, think, "Oh, I'll just watch that," and proceed to ALSO learn about the existence of barrel counterweights!
Challengers have a rifled barrel, and generally don't use sabot rounds, which work better from a smoothbore, as the rifling just creates additional friction which slows the projectile down (and sabot rounds rely on extremely high speeds), and the stabilization that rifling provides is unnecessary for a fin stabilized sabot dart.
And you would assume that a tank crewman is taught armor identification, and thus would know what a muzzle brake is. Even a British one, who isn't likely to know much about guns.
And anyone who has shot on a range next to a guy with a 5.56mm rifle with an obnoxiously large muzzle brake can tell you about the blast from a brake. And 5.56 isn't a very powerful round
Yes, you can see the rifling clearly, bottom right of screen at 12.41. I was surprised that the tank commander didn't know what they were. In the film Tigerland, Colin Farrell's character uses his rifle's muzzle brake's side-blast to blind someone deliberately.
Lindybeige In the movie Tigerland, they're armed with period correct M16A1s. The device on the end of the barrel there is a flash hider, and not a muzzle brake. A flash hider does not relieve recoil as a brake does, it simply dissipates some of the flash from the rifle so as not to blind the user. I imagine the trick used in the movie would work, but I'm not willing to test it (and I don't know anyone who has a rifle with the three pronged flash hider anyway).
The only explanations I can think for the tank commander not knowing what a muzzle brake was are 1 - he was an idiot. Being an idiot isn't necessarily a bar to being put into positions of responsibility in the US military, and I doubt the British military is much different in that regard; or 2 - the British tank corps has a different term they use for the same device that is commonly called a muzzle brake. There is also a remote third possibility that it simply wasn't mentioned in any of his training, but I find that rather hard to believe, even though most modern tanks to not have a brake.
'generally don't use sabot rounds', where do you get this from? They only carry 3 types of rounds, HESH, WP smoke rounds and APFSDS (C3). The APFSDS is their main ammo type in any Tank V's Tank engagement, it also uses a slip band which decreases the friction and negates most of the spin effect on the round from the rifling.
Aussie Militant I believe I read it on Wikipedia or something. My understanding is that Challengers carry HESH rounds in lieu of APFSDS, because the sabot rounds don't work as well with the rifled barrel, and that the entire point of a smoothbore like the Abrams has is to be used with the APFSDS. I don't claim to be an expert and was never a tank crewman, and I could well be wrong though.
They carry APFSDS to complement HESH. As i said the APFSDS uses a special 'slip band' (do not know the correct term) to negate (not completely eliminate) the effects cause by rifling. The Merkava's that used the 105mm Rifled gun also used these 'slip bands' to launch ATGM's.
End of the day the Chally 2 is a good MBT but it cannot compete with newer and more upgraded Western MBT's, the British MoD simply wont allow the upgrades it needs, though with no perceived high intensity conflicts on the horizon its no wonder it will not be up-gunned any time soon.
Many years back, my father wanted to build himself a deer-hunting rifle (he was gunsmithing at the time). He took an M1903 Springfield .30-06 rifle and sporterized it beautifully, but it still kicked like a Springfield. His solution was to fit it with a muzzle brake. When he died the rifle came to me, so I now own the only sporting rifle I've ever seen or heard of that had (and needed) a muzzle brake.
They were rare 15 or 20 years ago but they're popular on .30 rifles these days, particularly high-powered ones like .300 WIN mag and .338 Lapua. My .308 M&P 10 came with one. They're also popular as suppressor mounts because they reduce wear of the suppressor's baffles.
BSA “ Majestic “ had muzzle brakes as standard item,I had a .222 Rem.
Superbe piece!
Sounds cool, my friend. I lost my Father and inherited a .44 magnum rifle with magazine. Very unusual weapon. My Father was a USMC. Ooh-Ra😁
@@mallardtheduck406 Semper Fi my dude, Semper Fi.
If an '06 hurt you enough to need a break, then you need to be playing golf
''We will call it a muzzle break that's better because it's on the front of the gun the muzzle'' ''right the three uses of a barrel break'' please never change I love how much your passion takes you away 😂😂
Never to old to learn new things, thanks 👍 bloody good show that man 👌
A little off subject; I can't help thinking how much you remind me of my deceased friend that was originally born in England. He was my best friend. I guess it's a compliment. Like your channel very much. Sounds stupid, but we'd likely be buds if we knew each other. Anyway, thought I'd throw that out there. Lol!
Am I the only one who takes notes during Lindybeige videos?
Yes, because unlike a lecture, you can replay youtube videos
Krautik
Why replay the video when I can have a few important points I want to remember jotted down in my notebook?
Why jot notes when you can replay?
I have sometimes, not this one though
I just want to hear him say "And now for something completely different."
Dude, you are hilarious. Hella informative, but I can totally see you as a kid showing his toys off to other kids and explaining why they are so cool with great enthusiasm.
Did you steal my sweater ? ....... mines been missing about 6 years now
finders keepers
losers weepers
next time ask the gunner not the commander xD
Lol
ikbal khan or even better the engineer who built that bloody thing
;)
Not saying your wrong. But I am pretty sure in some army’s, you have to be a gunner before your get promoted to commander.
I built that same Puma armored car from Airfix as a boy. Still have it too!
I have never been interested in this kind of information, that being said your charisma, quirkiness and sheer love and admiration has absolutely created an interest in me and made me a subscriber. Cheers mate you way earn this one!
You're very informative pretty good
I've also have been a model builder all my life ( 62 ) and research every model I build either for myself or others .
But no matter how many times I have built armor vehicles , I've never come across this information . I've been calling them " Flash Suppessers " and that is at the basic premise that you just described .
You really should've called them barrel brakes throughout :)
Great video. I was sceptical at first because I thought there wasn't much to know about them, and boy, was I wrong.
I've known for a long time their purpose was recoil reduction, but nothing about the smoke redirection thing. (A nice addition would've been how effective they were in reducing recoil, if you had the numbers.)
The effect of sideblast, while news to me, should've been obvious. I remember Eugene Sledge's comment of how Japanese fired their cannon from blast door equipped bunkers at point blank range, and that the blast would wipe out anyone inside, IIRC, 75 yards.
I wonder if they affect ballistics? I've heard somewhere that a substantial portion of (post?) muzzle velocity is contributed by the gasses pushing the projectile immediately after it leaves the barrel. If this was the case, muzzle brakes would have to affect it.
Also, how they affect flash observability. I can't even tell whether they'd increase or decrease it.
Impressed by your model tanks.
This is the only man, and I truly mean the only man, on this planet that I can listen to for any amount of time and actually be engaged and listen to everything he says without zoning out.
Hey you got some nice painted minis here! Also started the hobby when I was super small with ww2 miniatures, was later corrupted by warhammer and other tabletop games lol but never lost my interest in history or that side of tabletop games. Hoping to start up bolt action soon (ww2 tabletop game) and get myself some nicely painted tanks like yours!
I think i just found the channel for me. Great videos, they feel raw and real, more like a conversation then a n explanation and that is a good thing. Keep it up man your under appreciated but i hope you'll find the fame that you deserve!
I really loved the spear fighting video
Highly educational . I thoroughly enjoyed this informational filled video . Thank you .
What a great telling! I had no idea how powerful the side blast was!
"Sounds like a Jewish congratulation ... Muzzle Brakes!" (22:10). Worth the price of admission on its own.
It's very clear that he just thought of that in the present moment. Very awkwardly presented which makes it 10 times funnier.
Hey LindyBiege thank you so much your channel is amazing and you’ve taught me so much about history, least I can do is return the favour and let you know Brontosaurus is officially considered different enough than apatosaurus to be its own species again
Dude, you're the kind of teacher I always wanted to have but never did :P Also, I came for the muzzle break mystery and unexpectedly learnt the cigarette smoking man in Brazil was Terry Gilliam, lol.
Summary: Muzzle breaks are for smoke management, And helps with recoil.
They also help with flash suppression. (not that it does much on a TANK)
You forgot that muzzle breaks are a real problem for apfsds accuracy
You can skip to 5:50 mins guys
you're my hero...a million thank yous
Churchill tanks were the best? Not by a long shot.
JRos83 One of the best*. Even then, it was slow and an easy target. British pounder guns performed better than what the americans fielded in terms of armour penetration. But a standard Pz.IV. 75 mm. is going trough churchill no matter what. If I had to take everything into consideration (Armour, gun, speed, versatility, mechanical reliance, build quality etc. etc.) I would be in a late panther or a jagdpanther (turetless tank destroyer). T-34 had wild variations in build quality. Poorly welded, soft and impure steel was common. M-18 hellcat maybe? Speed>armour? Even tho early panthers were plagued by dreadful transmission it was more or less fixed on the later models and the jagdpanther is regarded as the best vehicle (in the same class - tanks/td-s) by the allies. So I would go what best protects my cowardly arse ;)
JRos83 Solid argumentation there mate. And over half of my previous comment such as build quality and transmission is not modeled in games.
JRos83 Also does not change the fact that churchill is utter garbage. It performed well in africa theatre because Pz II. III. and IV. did not carry a gun with good enough performance to match the well armoured churchill. Same goes for the Italians.
JRos83 So why even start? Gently fuck off if you cannot engage in a discussion ;)
PanzerDrag00n How rude. You're the one that started this by commenting in the first place. Don't tell someone to fuck off just because they don't want an argument about which tank is the most unrealistically powerful in War Thunder.
Not sure why your video showed up in my feed. Not subbed, and I have never watched any of your videos... that being said I am now subbed and enjoy your videos. Very insightful video.
Well you forgot one function, noise reduction. You could combine the muzzle brake and the fire damper.
Muzzle brakes are not only used with tanks, but also with rifles.
A muzzle brake on a rifle ensures that recoil is reduced. Some of the gases are directed backwards to counteract the recoil. In the G3 BW, the muzzle brake and the fire damper are combined in one component. A silencer ensures that the gases, which normally relax suddenly at the mouth and thus cause a bang, are braked in a container, relaxed, and come out almost noiselessly at a much lower speed. A silencer is only useful in connection with subsonic ammunition, because it can only dampen the muzzle bang, but not the supersonic bang generated by the projectile.
Noise could be detected like smoke or the flash as well. You want your enemies could do neither.
There are some nice devices that are equipped with optical sensors, microphones and fast computers. They observe the surroundings and as soon as they make out the bang and flash of a shot they calculate the exact position. Guess what the connected effectors do in the same split second? - They solve a logistical problem of the opponents, not so many heads to feed through anymore.