It really is. Wonder how old people in the 80s thought of C4 Corvettes costing 20k when C2 was under 5k in general. Cost, inflation, depreciation are never static. They move with time. Only some people's perception of value doesn't. I don't blame you though. You got snakes in politician's trench coats blocking you from earning a living wage that also increases with time and half the population still drinks the kool-aid. While the politicians and their friends and family swipe billions that should've been earned by you lot.
I like the idea of it. A modern station wagon with AWD and hybrid gas mileage but not slow. I think it's about $5k to $10k too much but sadly folks will over pay for so many vehicles these days, If they ever have a sale, I would consider it. Made in Japan is a bonus to me.
@@NomenClature-o8s This right here. Dollar devaulation/inflation. Got a '19 Honda Odyssey EX-L for about $35k in 2019, now they're pretty much the same vehicle but go for $41k+. Thanks US Gov't!
@@NomenClature-o8s Seems like a low number... More like 27% or more! Fuel for example, which is tied to everything is up substantially waay more than 17%
Buying the xle today. Getting too old to be driving around in a Subaru Impreza. Gonna be taking road trips so hopefully this baby does nice on the highway.
@@ShadowMalice89 Which trim you getting? I chose the XLE for 2 reasons. 1). 21" tires cost more to replace then the 19" and wheels get damaged easier (we live in the northeast and potholes get deep). 2). did not want the sunroof. I do wish the XLE came with self leveling headlights. I think it's crazy that you have to adjust the headlight height with a dial?? Never heard of that. They don't seem to project the light far enough. If you drive at night a lot you might want to give the XLE a test drive at night. I still cant get past the lack of a spare tire. I am going to buy a spare from Modern Tire but spares WONT fit underneath so I plan on just keeping it in the car for road trips. That's my rant. Enjoy your car and if you come up with a spare tire solution please comment.
@@WatchTheJoeChannel I ended up getting the Limited because I wanted all of the quirks and features (thanks Doug Demuro). I was also really disappointed that it didn't come with a spare tire or donut as well. I ended up getting the kit from Modern Spare as well.
I agree. I bought my first Toyota a four years ago and was impressed by how little maintenance it required and how reliable it is. Is it exciting? No. I am willing to live with that trade off for economical, reliable, good looking transportation.
Designed with easier entry and exit for mature adults. AWD for driving on snow and ice highways over mountain passes, perfect for western states that have snow for six months a year in the mountains. Great mileage with hybrid. My next car purchase, saving my SUV for towing and hauling more people and cargo.
I'm not sure we're referring to the same vehicle. This SUV is larger than the Venza or the RAV4 and yet the interior is not as large as both vehicles. I was looking for the leg, head, hip room available on the Avalon but this Crown vehicle is just not comparable to the last three vehicles interior as far as room.
Not sure how they are competition, perhaps the Subaru and Mazda will still be running, but the Volvo, Audi , Benz will be scrap long before that Toyota ever dies
If considering instead of RX, it has the plusses of no electronic door handles and steering wheel button labels rather than needing to watch to HUD to figure see what the buttons do.
21 inch wheels? What’s the point? I really mean that. Why are wheels getting bigger and bigger almost every year? How much will those tires cost to replace?
“This car is not dynamic” meanwhile 0-60 is 7 seconds, a Acura TLX aspec gets there at 6.1 seconds for comparison, but it averages half the MPG’s and needs premium fuel. Also this car is not front wheel drive bias lol. It has a separate electric motor for the rear for re-gen braking and sends 20:80 when needed or for cornering (similar to G vectoring of SHAWD). The engineers for this car are genius that’s why it costs so much. And I say that as a Toyota hater (I drive a K5).
Dare I say it's beautiful. It's been a while since I've said that about a Toyota. Unfortunately, it's too expensive. I don't understand why Toyota would step on its own Lexus toes offering this vehicle. For $50k you can get a base trim Lexus RX350, or for less, you can get a Lexus NX.
Toyota is learning a valuable lesson. The Crown is rotting on dealer lots and many Toyota dealers cannot sell them at their cost. Which is generally 3-4k off of MSRP. This will soon follow that trend.
@@DaleWilly false. Complete nonsense. For comparison, Toyota sold nearly 300k Camry’s in 2023. They sold 19k Crowns. *19k*. My neighbor is the general manager of a Toyota dealership. He’s the reason I owned a Sequoia and a Tundra. Toyota allocates him Crowns (he doesn’t have a choice) and he dealer trades or sells every single one at a loss. They sit and rot. They are not selling like hotcakes. You are clearly a troll or highly mistaken.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770you are probably right. But crown is an ugly duckling sedan, expensive and replacement of Avalon which also sold in low volumes. But in Signia's case, it is a cross over and much more attractive for families. So it might not do that bad like crown sedan.
My wife and I have already decided that when her Outback wears out then we’re replacing it with the Crown Signia. We would have bought the Venza but it wasn’t available with Tan or Brown Leather interior
you still have to run the exhaust piping to the rear and depending upon overall vehicle ground clearance you may need to indent this into the floor pan , on a high clearance suv or pickup it wouldn’t be an issue, so just not having a driveline to the rear doesn’t by default result in a flat floor pan.
As I watched, it seemed between the two crown models both make Genesis irrelevant. You get the content, but with the quality. When the genesis engine or electronics fail early, this will still be going. When you’re 50 or older on a long stretch of vacant hwy, quality and longevity become king.
I'd say this is more of a tall wagon than a crossover. Dimensionally, it's only about 1.5" taller than the Prius V wagon while being about 11" longer. Sure the ground clearance is like 1" taller, but 6.7" isn't going to get you anywhere off road. It just doesn't have enough ground clearance to be an SUV/CUV. There's plenty of tall cars that aren't crossovers, and I feel like this falls into that camp. Mazda 5, Ford C-Max, Scion XB, Prius V, Nissan Leaf, just to name a few. I'm fine with them calling it an SUV though, because I hope with them making it a bit taller, they trick more people into wanting these things and maybe the wagon segment will see a bit of revitalization here in the states.
I have a Prius V and was shocked to find that this Crown Sig had 9 cu. ft less cargo space behind the 2nd row, and are virtually equal with the 2nd row folded flat. However I think the V has more useable space due to its taller roof.
@@francoa.9646 damn, really? That's crazy. I wonder how much of that loss of space can be contributed to space beneath the load floor, insulation, and safety regulations? The Signia comes with space beneath the load floor to add a spare tire despite not having one. Does the Prius V have space beneath for one, or does it take full advantage of the car's trunk space?
I like the car, though this color doesn’t age well to me. The size is right, but I don’t need the sunroof, AWD, or the expense of 21” tire replacements. I’ll wait for the estate of the 1st owner to take the depreciation hit on a low-mile example, and be a used buyer.
I love the whole vibe... it just needs to be a SUV instead of a stationwagon... I went ahead and bought the Venza because this crown is a wagon and not a SUV
There's plenty of other SUVs to choose from? Toyota offers no other station wagons in the US, ya'll need to let us have just one, even if it is pretending to be an SUV lol
It’s a Toyota for Lexus money. I like the look better than the standard Crown. The Camry is a far better value - specs say it has more interior space, gets far better economy, and likely will be more reliable due to the drivetrain.
Exactly the kind of car Toyota should be making. This & VENZA are the most premium cars offered by Toyota with great styling. It was about time Toyota woke up from slumber
I like the vehicle since it is very much near Lexus quality and all are made in Japan. But I expected the cargo capacity to be greater than my current ride a 2016 Prius V. Rear cargo is actually 9 cubic ft smaller in the Crown Sig and with 2nd row flat the Crown Sig only beats it by .5 cubic feet. 😮
I have been waiting for two years for this vehicle but three key negatives: 1. Price is $8k more than I expected; 2. Glass roof is bad and dangerous; 3. One lens per side very low headlights is an insanely bad design. Basic model has steel roof, but I want the better interior.
You can get a base RX for about the same price as Crown Signia. This is a car for people who love Toyotas and don’t care about status. its not particularly attractive. I think ultimately this is the new Avalon. For older people, nice easy/exit and it will last a long time.
I have heard that Hyundai/Kia are not as reliable as they once were. I had a 2007 Hyundai Sonata for 17 years and it was by far the most reliable vehicle that I have ever owned. I worked in the automotive industry for 45 years and have seen a lot. They are still a damn sight better than the domestics.
I think in some ways, the Crown is similar in its place in the Toyota/Lexus-verse the way the 5th gen 4Runner is to its GX460/LC Prada cousins. The 4Runner is made in the same factory, uses common parts and driveline (it’s 4L is still used in the LC 300 in the Middle East) and gets the benefits of a great build quality and reliability. You get a discount for not having all of the luxury or tech items. The crown is kind of like that to its Lexus soft roader cousins. It’s a little less luxurious and a lot better looking. In Japan, the Crown badge is popular with businessmen and civil servants who want Lexus comfort but want to fly under the radar…. While $50k is high, I think that this may be a deal for the next owner… you don’t pay the Lexus premium but get a good looking luxury car. I always look for an imbalance in the market and this looks to be the next one. It’s the reason I picked up a 4Runner recently and how I got my Acura TSX Sportwagon for less than a comparable CRV
When Toyota flies you to do a car review what class airline tickets do they give you? Toyota paid for both of you to fly? Where in Texas? Do they give you a per diem for hotels and food? Don’t take my questions wrong. I realize they do it for other automotive journalists as well. Asking for a friend.
Like the Venza (which I own) it’s an overpriced Toyota not “Lexus light”. $50K plus for a raised Toyota wagon with prop rods for the hood, a stupid looking non-opening sunroof and 1-hybrid engine choice is not acceptable. The Venza Limited is NOT Lexus like and this car isn’t as well. This car needs to be 5-10k less expensive.
unpopular take, this is so close to the RZ300e, but a hybrid instead of a 266range EV. very similar dimensions (height, width, wheelbase) and close in price
I absolutely love the color, I would love to see more vehicles with bronze. I feel like it'd be an awesome fit for a lot of trucks and more rugged SUVs.
If you watch All these Internet car shows , they All started to hammer the in “ the new Higher prices “.. not to bad , comes with a lot of, good deal considering “.. to lay the ground for this .. The war between “ dealers/ manufacturers and customers-was always who would break first - Toyota super high prices are a reflection of the Buying public losing .. Wars over , just as these guys list spec and are Not critical to the product ..
Tiny volume knob similar to the Camry which is a joke and a wonder if a radio/volum control is on the steering wheel sine the Camry is missing this as well.
What kind of world do we live in where we have a car which is bigger than the Venza and the RAV4 and yet its interior is not roomier than both vehicles.? In fact it is smaller. I cannot understand the logic behind this vehicle. I wish it had the room of an Avalon for front passengers hips, head and legs. Also, that central console gets on the way when trying to relax my legs or stretch them out. Big disappointment for me
I can't believe I've lived long enough where people think a 50k Toyota is a deal. Getting old is a trip.
I mean we lived in a country with a pooping the pants president for 4 years....that's the reason the Toyota is 50k 😂😂
@@JohnDoe-wy2py you must be senile like B1den
They said it's expensive @:37. I think the interior quality doesn't match its $50k price tag. Typical Toyota stuff.
It really is. Wonder how old people in the 80s thought of C4 Corvettes costing 20k when C2 was under 5k in general. Cost, inflation, depreciation are never static. They move with time. Only some people's perception of value doesn't.
I don't blame you though. You got snakes in politician's trench coats blocking you from earning a living wage that also increases with time and half the population still drinks the kool-aid. While the politicians and their friends and family swipe billions that should've been earned by you lot.
I hear you!!
I like the idea of it. A modern station wagon with AWD and hybrid gas mileage but not slow. I think it's about $5k to $10k too much but sadly folks will over pay for so many vehicles these days, If they ever have a sale, I would consider it. Made in Japan is a bonus to me.
The dollar lost 17% of its value over the past 4 years. Don’t blame Toyota for that.
@@NomenClature-o8s This right here. Dollar devaulation/inflation. Got a '19 Honda Odyssey EX-L for about $35k in 2019, now they're pretty much the same vehicle but go for $41k+. Thanks US Gov't!
@@NomenClature-o8swe know who to blame for that!
@@NomenClature-o8s Seems like a low number... More like 27% or more!
Fuel for example, which is tied to everything is up substantially waay more than 17%
Looks great! Not boring like a everyday Toyota and not "to much" like a Lexus, well done Toyota! Great video from Tommy and Case!
Buying the xle today. Getting too old to be driving around in a Subaru Impreza. Gonna be taking road trips so hopefully this baby does nice on the highway.
Are you me? I'm getting mine on Saturday after having a WRX for several years lol.
@@ShadowMalice89 Which trim you getting? I chose the XLE for 2 reasons. 1). 21" tires cost more to replace then the 19" and wheels get damaged easier (we live in the northeast and potholes get deep). 2). did not want the sunroof.
I do wish the XLE came with self leveling headlights. I think it's crazy that you have to adjust the headlight height with a dial?? Never heard of that. They don't seem to project the light far enough. If you drive at night a lot you might want to give the XLE a test drive at night. I still cant get past the lack of a spare tire. I am going to buy a spare from Modern Tire but spares WONT fit underneath so I plan on just keeping it in the car for road trips. That's my rant. Enjoy your car and if you come up with a spare tire solution please comment.
@@WatchTheJoeChannel I ended up getting the Limited because I wanted all of the quirks and features (thanks Doug Demuro). I was also really disappointed that it didn't come with a spare tire or donut as well. I ended up getting the kit from Modern Spare as well.
This car is for people who love Toyota as a brand, but also love premium features and quality and would hate to leave Toyota to get these elsewhere
I agree. I bought my first Toyota a four years ago and was impressed by how little maintenance it required and how reliable it is. Is it exciting? No. I am willing to live with that trade off for economical, reliable, good looking transportation.
The available tan coloured interior really makes it look better than this test vehicle.
Designed with easier entry and exit for mature adults. AWD for driving on snow and ice highways over mountain passes, perfect for western states that have snow for six months a year in the mountains. Great mileage with hybrid. My next car purchase, saving my SUV for towing and hauling more people and cargo.
I'm not sure we're referring to the same vehicle. This SUV is larger than the Venza or the RAV4 and yet the interior is not as large as both vehicles. I was looking for the leg, head, hip room available on the Avalon but this Crown vehicle is just not comparable to the last three vehicles interior as far as room.
I like the dash - no separate tablet sticking out of it. The outside looks like everything else.
Competition would be Volvo v60, Audi a6 all road, Subaru Outback xt limited, Mercedes e class wagon, and Mazda cx 50
Not sure how they are competition, perhaps the Subaru and Mazda will still be running, but the Volvo, Audi , Benz will be scrap long before that Toyota ever dies
@dchanko agree with you 💯 only toyota will survive 😂😂😂
@@dchanko You must be kidding!
@TFLnow to Kases point about the interior… I think the saddle tan interior solves that. It really looks Lexus like.
Kase and I have similar thinking of the car looks like a outback kinda. ❤ what a brilliant man. Tremendous job guys
If considering instead of RX, it has the plusses of no electronic door handles and steering wheel button labels rather than needing to watch to HUD to figure see what the buttons do.
And decidedly more useful space for long items...if they would only include the spare in the back where they have a cutout for on in other markets
21 inch wheels? What’s the point? I really mean that. Why are wheels getting bigger and bigger almost every year? How much will those tires cost to replace?
“This car is not dynamic” meanwhile 0-60 is 7 seconds, a Acura TLX aspec gets there at 6.1 seconds for comparison, but it averages half the MPG’s and needs premium fuel. Also this car is not front wheel drive bias lol. It has a separate electric motor for the rear for re-gen braking and sends 20:80 when needed or for cornering (similar to G vectoring of SHAWD). The engineers for this car are genius that’s why it costs so much. And I say that as a Toyota hater (I drive a K5).
Saw one in Napa yesterday. It’s a looker.
It’s tragic that Toyota basically killed off the Venza (again) for a station wagon version of the Crown
Eh? The 1st Vensa was a Camry Wagon.
And the base Crown Signia is about the same price as a fully loaded Limited Venza. Crazy
@@Drg24800Glad I got a ‘24 Venza Limited when I did.
@@trabertgraneau3323 true I have a 2022 Venza XLE and I will upgrade to the 2024 Venza Limited Edition
Exactly !
A couple of kids in their early twenties reviewing a car that’s targeted to the boomer generation. Should be Roman or Nathan doing the review.
Then don’t watch it jackass
Sounds like an opportunity for a follow-up video to me 😄
😂
It’s also for people with kids, or someone who needs some space who isn’t broke.
Exactly hahah. This is the Avalon reborn in SUV/wagon form.
Dare I say it's beautiful. It's been a while since I've said that about a Toyota. Unfortunately, it's too expensive. I don't understand why Toyota would step on its own Lexus toes offering this vehicle. For $50k you can get a base trim Lexus RX350, or for less, you can get a Lexus NX.
Toyota is learning a valuable lesson. The Crown is rotting on dealer lots and many Toyota dealers cannot sell them at their cost. Which is generally 3-4k off of MSRP. This will soon follow that trend.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 umm no they are not, they are selling like HOTCAKES, troll
@@DaleWilly false. Complete nonsense. For comparison, Toyota sold nearly 300k Camry’s in 2023. They sold 19k Crowns. *19k*. My neighbor is the general manager of a Toyota dealership. He’s the reason I owned a Sequoia and a Tundra. Toyota allocates him Crowns (he doesn’t have a choice) and he dealer trades or sells every single one at a loss. They sit and rot. They are not selling like hotcakes. You are clearly a troll or highly mistaken.
But I wouldn't buy a Lexus with their tremendously ugly faces.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770you are probably right. But crown is an ugly duckling sedan, expensive and replacement of Avalon which also sold in low volumes.
But in Signia's case, it is a cross over and much more attractive for families. So it might not do that bad like crown sedan.
Wagons coming back. Looks like the Prius front end
HA HA HA HA HA 😅😅😅😅 YOUR RIGHT THEY DO LOʻK FUNNY AS HELL 😮😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@RobertGVioletteyeah it kinda does
@@RobertGViolette Why is that funny?? Prius is sexy looking now
@@DaleWilly NOT into small vehicles that's all an EV'S suck.!! ..to many issues with them my NABOURE s is in the shop now electrical issues
@@RobertGVioletteI'm Not into small cars neither..
84' Delta 88 in the laneway here
My wife and I have already decided that when her Outback wears out then we’re replacing it with the Crown Signia.
We would have bought the Venza but it wasn’t available with Tan or Brown Leather interior
It’s for families. Parents that want reliability, luxury and size (but don’t need three rows for whatever reason) at a fair price.
I hope this sells well and are available used once I need to replace my current truck. I don't "need" an SUV but I do need a car that's not so low.
I like the car except it’s a shame that it doesn’t have the generation five smoother hybrid system like the new Camry has
Good point.
“Not a car for enthusiasts.” Tommy, it is a Toyota hybrid.
“Wouldn’t take it off road.” Tommy, it is a Toyota hybrid.
What about the rear camera washer?
Return of the Camry wagon or the first generation Venza.
you still have to run the exhaust piping to the rear and depending upon overall vehicle ground clearance you may need to indent this into the floor pan , on a high clearance suv or pickup it wouldn’t be an issue, so just not having a driveline to the rear doesn’t by default result in a flat floor pan.
As I watched, it seemed between the two crown models both make Genesis irrelevant. You get the content, but with the quality. When the genesis engine or electronics fail early, this will still be going. When you’re 50 or older on a long stretch of vacant hwy, quality and longevity become king.
Well that used to be true. I'm old enough to remember when Mercedes had that reputation.
AS usual these guys do a great job reviewing a car!! love this Toyo
I wish there were vehicles like the Dodge Magnum in the US market, but made by better companies that Dodge.
I'd say this is more of a tall wagon than a crossover. Dimensionally, it's only about 1.5" taller than the Prius V wagon while being about 11" longer. Sure the ground clearance is like 1" taller, but 6.7" isn't going to get you anywhere off road. It just doesn't have enough ground clearance to be an SUV/CUV. There's plenty of tall cars that aren't crossovers, and I feel like this falls into that camp. Mazda 5, Ford C-Max, Scion XB, Prius V, Nissan Leaf, just to name a few. I'm fine with them calling it an SUV though, because I hope with them making it a bit taller, they trick more people into wanting these things and maybe the wagon segment will see a bit of revitalization here in the states.
I have a Prius V and was shocked to find that this Crown Sig had 9 cu. ft less cargo space behind the 2nd row, and are virtually equal with the 2nd row folded flat. However I think the V has more useable space due to its taller roof.
@@francoa.9646 damn, really? That's crazy. I wonder how much of that loss of space can be contributed to space beneath the load floor, insulation, and safety regulations? The Signia comes with space beneath the load floor to add a spare tire despite not having one. Does the Prius V have space beneath for one, or does it take full advantage of the car's trunk space?
I like the car, though this color doesn’t age well to me. The size is right, but I don’t need the sunroof, AWD, or the expense of 21” tire replacements. I’ll wait for the estate of the 1st owner to take the depreciation hit on a low-mile example, and be a used buyer.
I wish the ground clearance was the more common 8 in. To me, the lower clearance removes it from the suv/ crossover category.
50k c'mon!!!!!!!!! I will wait and buy it used or buy the nissan rogue or get a rav4
Nice but priced too high. Toyota is pricing their newest products too close to Lexus.
Exactly !
I love the whole vibe... it just needs to be a SUV instead of a stationwagon... I went ahead and bought the Venza because this crown is a wagon and not a SUV
There's plenty of other SUVs to choose from? Toyota offers no other station wagons in the US, ya'll need to let us have just one, even if it is pretending to be an SUV lol
@@StopWhatYerDoing haha 😄 well ok!!!!
That copper color is pretty cool.
I see that enormous Nebraska Furniture Mart in the background.
Last car before the nursing home placement. Topgun Grannymobile station wagon. 👍
It’s a Toyota for Lexus money. I like the look better than the standard Crown. The Camry is a far better value - specs say it has more interior space, gets far better economy, and likely will be more reliable due to the drivetrain.
They are ALL good and reliable; does not matter what you get
@@DaleWilly pardon?
@@DaleWilly all Toyotas? Or the Crown and Camry? I’d dispute the former based on the massive problems with the 3.4 turbo 6.
@@us1fedvetdon't forget all of the new Tacoma problems...
Exactly the kind of car Toyota should be making. This & VENZA are the most premium cars offered by Toyota with great styling. It was about time Toyota woke up from slumber
My 2014 Venza got a new suite with a hybrid heart. I like it.
I like the vehicle since it is very much near Lexus quality and all are made in Japan. But I expected the cargo capacity to be greater than my current ride a 2016 Prius V. Rear cargo is actually 9 cubic ft smaller in the Crown Sig and with 2nd row flat the Crown Sig only beats it by .5 cubic feet. 😮
I have been waiting for two years for this vehicle but three key negatives: 1. Price is $8k more than I expected; 2. Glass roof is bad and dangerous; 3. One lens per side very low headlights is an insanely bad design. Basic model has steel roof, but I want the better interior.
I'm in the same boat. Live in the south and if I have to have leather seats I want ventilation but I don't want the hole in the roof.
Is it larger in the cockpit area compared to a Venza? We got rid of our Venza because we felt cramped inside.
Problem is Toyota money ain’t so cheap. Hasn’t been for years.
Toyota is more than worth it
Quality isn’t cheap.
You can get a base RX for about the same price as Crown Signia. This is a car for people who love Toyotas and don’t care about status. its not particularly attractive. I think ultimately this is the new Avalon. For older people, nice easy/exit and it will last a long time.
This could had been the next gen after the first-generation VENZA. Strangely enough, the rear windows are usually tinted.
There are only TWELVE hours on a clock NOT 15
Looks good but Fifty thousand damm. Well My 2021 Rav4 XLE Premiere was Thrity Four Thousand so yeah that price doesn't surprise me 😂
Is it rated for towing?
Such a nice looking car. Put a 300+ hp and regular trans and I might be interested.
The Limited model puts out 304 HP
I have heard that Hyundai/Kia are not as reliable as they once were. I had a 2007 Hyundai Sonata for 17 years and it was by far the most reliable vehicle that I have ever owned. I worked in the automotive industry for 45 years and have seen a lot. They are still a damn sight better than the domestics.
Nice car,I bet the hump has wiring running under it??. But 50 grand, ?
I'm thinking exhaust pipe tunnel as well.
Exhaust
My 2011 Avalon had a full sized tire on a matching alloy wheel.
This should have been Toyotas first full ev, not that Bz4r thing. The Name, and look would have been perfect
Does the sunroof open? That design is interesting.
No.
Thankfully, it does not open. Avoid an extremely expensive repair.
Digital rearview mirror?
Plenty of room for golf clubs and antiquing.
I think in some ways, the Crown is similar in its place in the Toyota/Lexus-verse the way the 5th gen 4Runner is to its GX460/LC Prada cousins. The 4Runner is made in the same factory, uses common parts and driveline (it’s 4L is still used in the LC 300 in the Middle East) and gets the benefits of a great build quality and reliability. You get a discount for not having all of the luxury or tech items. The crown is kind of like that to its Lexus soft roader cousins. It’s a little less luxurious and a lot better looking. In Japan, the Crown badge is popular with businessmen and civil servants who want Lexus comfort but want to fly under the radar…. While $50k is high, I think that this may be a deal for the next owner… you don’t pay the Lexus premium but get a good looking luxury car. I always look for an imbalance in the market and this looks to be the next one. It’s the reason I picked up a 4Runner recently and how I got my Acura TSX Sportwagon for less than a comparable CRV
When Toyota flies you to do a car review what class airline tickets do they give you? Toyota paid for both of you to fly? Where in Texas? Do they give you a per diem for hotels and food? Don’t take my questions wrong. I realize they do it for other automotive journalists as well. Asking for a friend.
I like it except for the high cost. My neighbor got a great deal on a Toyota RAV4 Prime for $42k.
I paid $38k for my Rav4 Prime in 2020 and also got the $7500 credit, so really paid $30,500.
@@pbear216 That's a great deal!!
@rondail5675 definitely wouldn't pay the $50k they are selling for now
@@pbear216Congrats
Less features than the venza for way more $$? No thanks. And the front end looks like Sid from ice age.
There’s a hump in the middle rear seat because the car is so low. I’m surprised they managed to put a flush load floor in the rear.
Our 2023 Lexus NX 350 H is registered as a wagon according to the DMV. So yah, another Lexus wagon!
Got one the same color scheme as the one in review. Like it well. I am a soon empty nester and this gets me Lexus feeling without Lexus price.
Like the Venza (which I own) it’s an overpriced Toyota not “Lexus light”. $50K plus for a raised Toyota wagon with prop rods for the hood, a stupid looking non-opening sunroof and 1-hybrid engine choice is not acceptable. The Venza Limited is NOT Lexus like and this car isn’t as well. This car needs to be 5-10k less expensive.
Toyota going after the Subaru crowd ❤ Impressive
15 years ago a camry was 20k, now it's north of 30k. Why people be complaining about this car at 45k
Did the departure of the Venda really leave a gap if no one bought it?
Waiting for 100k Camry in a few years!😂
Surprised the CX-50 wasnt mentioned when comparing others cars to this ..
Does anyone know the ground clearance
Just wanted a Camry wagon ICE but I guess this works instead.
Isn’t there a delay on this ?
Yes, side curtain airbags didn't pass safety tests.
unpopular take, this is so close to the RZ300e, but a hybrid instead of a 266range EV. very similar dimensions (height, width, wheelbase) and close in price
Now that my kids are getting older I can't help but think it's time to swap out the minivan
As soon as he said the car started at $44,000, I stopped watching.
I think you mean “A Toyota for Lexus Money”… have you seen Toyota prices at car lots recently?
worth every dime
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we didn’t miss your moonswatch btw
Is this Signia is really a "cheaper Lexus" when the NX is the same price?
$60 000 in Canada, and that's before taxes.
No HUD in USDM. Venza has it, big omission.
Crown sedan will be getting it next year I think, so they'll probably implement it in the Signia in a future updated model year.
Budget lexus? The top of the line limited trim is over 50k where i live. Ugly and overpriced, hard pass.
Lexus Light as i have said.❤
I absolutely love the color, I would love to see more vehicles with bronze. I feel like it'd be an awesome fit for a lot of trucks and more rugged SUVs.
The Jeep Cherokee was ahead of its time with the misdirection headlights
Pontiac aztek says hi
$50k and not even tinted windows?
If you watch All these Internet car shows , they All started to hammer the in “ the new Higher prices “.. not to bad , comes with a lot of, good deal considering “.. to lay the ground for this .. The war between “ dealers/ manufacturers and customers-was always who would break first - Toyota super high prices are a reflection of the Buying public losing .. Wars over , just as these guys list spec and are Not critical to the product ..
I asked to lease this car and Toyota dealer quoted me $763. What a joke!!!
They should of shipped to the US the Crown Sport! Better looking and from I’ve read better performance
It is Lexus money for Toyota!
The headlights are so small that it needs secondary headlights.
I worry about that too, plus the lack of fog lights. However, tough to draw conclusions w/o seeing how they actually function in the dark.
These headlights will light up your neighborhood
Tiny volume knob similar to the Camry which is a joke and a wonder if a radio/volum control is on the steering wheel sine the Camry is missing this as well.
Lost me at 44
What kind of world do we live in where we have a car which is bigger than the Venza and the RAV4 and yet its interior is not roomier than both vehicles.? In fact it is smaller. I cannot understand the logic behind this vehicle. I wish it had the room of an Avalon for front passengers hips, head and legs. Also, that central console gets on the way when trying to relax my legs or stretch them out. Big disappointment for me
Outrageous price. A $25,000 car.. all day long.
$25k will get you a used Daewoo these days. Prices have gone up considerably on everything if you haven't noticed.
Perhaps a Mazda cx-70
The Prius grew up.
They grow up so fast 😢
This is not a prius
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I know, thats not the point of the joke
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This vehicle is delayed and there won’t be many produced, so good luck!