@@luke4800 having fun isn’t all about speed.. it’s about enjoying it too. If he enjoys manual, he clearly doesn’t care about a bit of a performance loss…
Hi performance drive this is Jordan’s car reviews here. Can you please do the full review on the manual one like you did with the fiesta ST please. I would also like to see the same with the blue auto one to please. I would also love to see the same sort of review with the all new Toyota GR Yaris in black and the Kia Cerato GT hatchback in runway red and the Kia stinger GT in Neon orange with the bi modal exhaust please. Thanks for being a subscriber. I’m sorry I haven’t been uploading much lately. From Jordan’s car reviews.
@PotatoPlayer Made in China. No it doesn't the 1.5 ecoboost 3cyl isn't a Renault engine it's made in house by Ford, designed in the UK and built mainly in Germany, Craiova and Romania although unfortunately some are made in China aswell😒
@PotatoPlayer Made in China. That's not true plenty of Americans were buying them. The issue was they were also choosing the DCT automatic in the regular Focus. Ford cut their losses rather than rectify the issue during the previous generation when their customers started getting angry. So blame it on the Powersh&^t Dual clutch Fiasco
Yes, I agree 100% with you! Let's all do our part: call or write Ford US Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Mk4 Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: 1-800-392-3673
I currently drive a white ST-3 model which I bought in 2018. The local dealership contacted me on Thursday about a replacement since my agreement is nearly up - the figures were crunched, and they came back wanting a rather eye watering figure, just over £500 a month for one of the new 2.3 ST's. I said absolutely no way. The only 2.0 litre engine option for the ST now is diesel. Looks like I'm going back to a more "normal" car after having two ST's. A bit of a shame, but it is what it is. I don't think many people will buying the new ST's at those costs - if I was paying £500 a month I'd want all the goodies the RS has.
I recently watched a video of yours where you tested a 2013 ST and it did 0-100 in 5.7 secs and this one in the manual which is a 2.3L does it in 6.3 secs, doesnt make sense to me and it even beats the Auto version (just) Is it because this one is more powerful and wheel spins more and therefore, loses time or something else?
This type of comparrison always puts the automatic in winning position. In real life, say rolling start full throttle-right rev for it (NOT average rev for manual vs kickdown for auto) manual would leave automatic behind. Always. It just lays more power on the road and more directly.
I hate to say it because I definitely advocate saving the manual… but your statement just isn’t true like it was just a few short years ago. When manufacturers started getting away from the awful 4 speed auto “slush box” and into 6/7/8 speed super close ratio with a lightning fast milliseconds long gear changes from an automated single or dual disc clutch, these transmissions started to rival numbers of their manual counterparts. I remember reading magazines as a kid and seeing all the new cars performance numbers… the manual was almost ALWAYS .3 or so seconds faster to 60 and roll on from 45-100 was always faster also. I hate to say it but times have changed and computers that change gears for you will always be faster. BUT!!! Are they more reliable? Absolutely not. And most importantly (especially to me), which gearbox is way more fun than the other? Which one makes you feel way more in tune and “connected” with the car? Hands down the manual trans every damn time. Idc about the .5 second I lost to 60 because I had to shift my own gear. Clicking a button on the back of a steering wheel is about the numbest thing imaginable vs having a shifter directly connected to your transmission while feeling those vibrations and the audible clunk into the next gear. Having an auto because it’s faster is like saying I’d rather have brakes that feel like a complete sponge half the time because they have a high friction coefficient and never fade… it’s just not worth it. Be a man, shift your own damn gears. 😂 this went from “I’m on your side but you’re wrong” to a full on love story. My bad y’all 🤷♂️
@@Zaucey You may be right, who knows. All I know is that I owned both manual and automatic (AT, DSG). We all agree DSG is a fast gearbox, right? Well, imagine I tried to follow a manual diesel Golf VII 2.0 150bhp with my 1.4 TSI 170bhp Jetta on a single band road (meaning several overtakes). Although my DSG was in Sport mode, it just was not fast enough when the other car went overtaking. It was frustrating! On a straight line I was so much faster than him, bun on this, my car seemed just slower than his. It was only when I started manual shifting my DSG that I could keep up with him. He had the torque advantage and the picking moment of overtaking. My DSG was just couldn't decide in several moments and that cost me a position compared to him. And I have to say that TSI engine was damn genius otherwise.
It will be in some metrics, but certainly not standing start as it lacks the traction of AWD. Way, WAY more fun to drive though, Germany Ford chassis engineers understand dynamics and driver involvement in a way the VW just cannot grasp.
That was wheelspin through all of second gear. We did a heap of runs with the Vbox so we just wanted to show you a few different take off styles on video.
No manual will ever be faster than a Dual Clutch transmission, doesn't matter what your level of skill is, you can't out-shift a computer. If speed is your only concern buy the Auto, if driver engagement is your main focus by the manual.
@@aleks0001 Its not dual clutch in Ford, its a TC AT.. but I felt its a good TC AT. Not as fast as a DCT but not slow either.. but not a great car when the auto is out in manual mode.. its downshift times are much more than DCT cars. But still I felt the new Ford STs like the best balance between i30Ns and Golf GTis. Mature yet fast and slightly playful and has loads of traction.
@@1989rs500 you probably mean to say the best balance between the Megane RS and the Golf GTI. The i30N is quite similar to the ST both in terms of fun and daily livability. The main differences are that the ST doesn't have that customizable drive mode where you set each category (engine noise, LSD, etc), while the N has worse NVH and has that annoying axle trample. Those are the only objective things which dictate the choice between the 2 really.
Its just like Ford to make a good car like the focus RS then do away with it and leave us with the focus ST. How about keep the Rs and give it a variable suspension with a decent ride.
I agree 100% with you! Let's all do our part: call or write Ford US Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Mk4 Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: 1-800-392-3673
@@michaeljones7497 Relatively less issues with that and the ones are there too are corrected most of the time. These 8 speed TCATs are not that bad like the DCTs by Getrag just make sure to change trans oil religiously and 1 will be fine. True these 8 ATs are not as reliable as Toyota, Honda ATs
@@1989rs500 or just go with the manual play it safe and have a gearbox that will last and also have a car that is more enjoyable to drive. I wouldn't want to risk it with the auto transmissions anymore so many car manufacturers are having issues with them. As for Honda and Toyota they have had there issues to Honda still have issues with there CVT transmissions Toyota did earlier on with there CVT transmissions but the Toyota ones are much better now and seem to be holding up. If i was buying a car and wanted a reliable auto transmisson i personally would be going with Mazda as they still use a conventional auto transmission and they aren't having issues with them
@@chrisdicko1683 it has the same engine from the focus rs, and also the mustang 2.3, the mazda msp3 is somewhat different it has a k04 turbo this is a little different IWS twin scroll
hmm, same engine block as the RS and the Mustang 2.3 but not the same turbo as the RS or power as the Mustang, (both had more power, BUT the Europe spec of the Mustang had it's power reduced from 2019, from 317 ps to 280, which means that the latest gen Ecoboost Mustang over here in uk, are SLOWER than the Focus ST. Which also means that nobody is choosing the Ecoboost over here any more!
My Fellow Americans: Let's all do our part: call or write Ford US Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Mk4 Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: 1-800-392-3673
@@b9625bb Nope. Don't get me wrong, the Golf is a nice overall package, fast and comfortable as a daily but as far as performance and reliability goes, it's hardly state of the art.
Exciting stuff starts at 3:07
perfect review with manual vs automatic I been looking at those 2 options
Mk4 St looks so damn good. Also sounds awesome especially in the Manual version. Definitely take a St over it’s rivals but very close to the i30N
I bought the automatic. It's a ton of fun to drive!
I'm a simple man, I see PDriveTV an I click like 👍🏻
Don't apologize about the wind its not your fault
Even if its slower I'd still take a manual. Its just more fun.
Manual for life
have fun in the slow lane
@@luke4800 having fun isn’t all about speed.. it’s about enjoying it too. If he enjoys manual, he clearly doesn’t care about a bit of a performance loss…
@@tarquin2trappybro ok
@@luke4800 I guess you’re one of those people who doesn’t accept it understand other peoples opinions. Great.
Hi performance drive this is Jordan’s car reviews here. Can you please do the full review on the manual one like you did with the fiesta ST please. I would also like to see the same with the blue auto one to please. I would also love to see the same sort of review with the all new Toyota GR Yaris in black and the Kia Cerato GT hatchback in runway red and the Kia stinger GT in Neon orange with the bi modal exhaust please. Thanks for being a subscriber. I’m sorry I haven’t been uploading much lately. From Jordan’s car reviews.
Great video as always! Can we get a video of the ST-Line? Would love to see how it fairs and hear that perky 3 cylinder growl! Cheers
We'll see what we can do :)
Same I love my 2019 Focus St-Line the 1.5 ecoboost is a cracking little warm hatch engine and the 8 spd auto is smooth! 😊
I have got a 1.6 diesel st line. Brilliant car! 6 gear
@PotatoPlayer Made in China. No it doesn't the 1.5 ecoboost 3cyl isn't a Renault engine it's made in house by Ford, designed in the UK and built mainly in Germany, Craiova and Romania although unfortunately some are made in China aswell😒
I want to travel to australia if corona is over :) Greetings from Germany
Ah man we want to travel anywhere when this sh*t is over
It's so sad that Ford has now stopped bring in its ST versions into South Africa. We really the miss the Fiesta and Focus ST
So sad indeed. And they stopped just before introducing the auto, it was going the give the VW GTI a hard time.
@AsakoKagurazaka wo dont even get the puma. Even the regular version
Meanwhile us American viewers are mad as hell because the st/rs line of cars were the best hot hatches on the scene
@PotatoPlayer Made in China. That's not true plenty of Americans were buying them. The issue was they were also choosing the DCT automatic in the regular Focus. Ford cut their losses rather than rectify the issue during the previous generation when their customers started getting angry. So blame it on the Powersh&^t Dual clutch Fiasco
Yes, I agree 100% with you! Let's all do our part: call or write Ford US Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Mk4 Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well!
Ford Motor Company
Customer Relationship Center
P.O. Box 6248
Dearborn, MI 48126
Ford U.S. Phone: 1-800-392-3673
meanwhile europeans are mad we cant buy your V8 Dodges with the hellcat engines
I currently drive a white ST-3 model which I bought in 2018. The local dealership contacted me on Thursday about a replacement since my agreement is nearly up - the figures were crunched, and they came back wanting a rather eye watering figure, just over £500 a month for one of the new 2.3 ST's. I said absolutely no way. The only 2.0 litre engine option for the ST now is diesel. Looks like I'm going back to a more "normal" car after having two ST's. A bit of a shame, but it is what it is. I don't think many people will buying the new ST's at those costs - if I was paying £500 a month I'd want all the goodies the RS has.
I've got the 2'3 estate petrol what a machine excellent would recommend it to everybody with a family and dogs fcking brilliant
I recently watched a video of yours where you tested a 2013 ST and it did 0-100 in 5.7 secs and this one in the manual which is a 2.3L does it in 6.3 secs, doesnt make sense to me and it even beats the Auto version (just)
Is it because this one is more powerful and wheel spins more and therefore, loses time or something else?
It’s crazy how the Ford Ranger US Spec has the same engine and with a tune does 0-100 ks in the 5 second range.
Its dam fast stock having test drove one a month ago. The ford tune will be a nice addition. Too bad cobb wont consider the platform....
@@laundrieshanging9077 I hope the next gen has the manual transmission from the bronco, that’s the US Spec
The Ranger is a all wheel drive or a rear wheel so it is logical that it will go below the 6 sec. Front wheel drive just doesn't get enough traction.
Thank you. Please make a comparison between the ST vs Type R vs Scirocco R. Which one more fun to drive ?
I don’t think they will as they haven’t sold the scirocco in years and they tend to focus on new cars
thanks for this great video pd!
Interesting to see the manual is 5km/hr faster on the quarter mile trap speed. Must really be rowing hard in gear..?!
So it will be faster in rolling race.. 3rd and 4th gear✌️🤤
😂😂👎
Is the transmission still made out recycled plastic
This type of comparrison always puts the automatic in winning position. In real life, say rolling start full throttle-right rev for it (NOT average rev for manual vs kickdown for auto) manual would leave automatic behind. Always. It just lays more power on the road and more directly.
I hate to say it because I definitely advocate saving the manual… but your statement just isn’t true like it was just a few short years ago. When manufacturers started getting away from the awful 4 speed auto “slush box” and into 6/7/8 speed super close ratio with a lightning fast milliseconds long gear changes from an automated single or dual disc clutch, these transmissions started to rival numbers of their manual counterparts. I remember reading magazines as a kid and seeing all the new cars performance numbers… the manual was almost ALWAYS .3 or so seconds faster to 60 and roll on from 45-100 was always faster also. I hate to say it but times have changed and computers that change gears for you will always be faster. BUT!!! Are they more reliable? Absolutely not. And most importantly (especially to me), which gearbox is way more fun than the other? Which one makes you feel way more in tune and “connected” with the car? Hands down the manual trans every damn time. Idc about the .5 second I lost to 60 because I had to shift my own gear. Clicking a button on the back of a steering wheel is about the numbest thing imaginable vs having a shifter directly connected to your transmission while feeling those vibrations and the audible clunk into the next gear. Having an auto because it’s faster is like saying I’d rather have brakes that feel like a complete sponge half the time because they have a high friction coefficient and never fade… it’s just not worth it. Be a man, shift your own damn gears. 😂 this went from “I’m on your side but you’re wrong” to a full on love story. My bad y’all 🤷♂️
@@Zaucey You may be right, who knows. All I know is that I owned both manual and automatic (AT, DSG). We all agree DSG is a fast gearbox, right? Well, imagine I tried to follow a manual diesel Golf VII 2.0 150bhp with my 1.4 TSI 170bhp Jetta on a single band road (meaning several overtakes). Although my DSG was in Sport mode, it just was not fast enough when the other car went overtaking. It was frustrating! On a straight line I was so much faster than him, bun on this, my car seemed just slower than his. It was only when I started manual shifting my DSG that I could keep up with him. He had the torque advantage and the picking moment of overtaking. My DSG was just couldn't decide in several moments and that cost me a position compared to him. And I have to say that TSI engine was damn genius otherwise.
Would love to drive a 2litre diesel ST!!!
CURRENTLY I OWN A 1.6 DIESEL ST LINE.
And here I was thinking this would be quicker than my Passat 206 R-line, guess I made the right choice 🤷😂
Passat 206.. R-line?
It will be in some metrics, but certainly not standing start as it lacks the traction of AWD. Way, WAY more fun to drive though, Germany Ford chassis engineers understand dynamics and driver involvement in a way the VW just cannot grasp.
Hi, if anyone could help that would be WONDERFUL ! Would the FORD FOCUS DIESEL HATCHBACK 1.5 ECOBLUE 120 ST-LINE X EDITION 5DR sound like this?
Basically an S40 T5 Volvo, gorgeous engines
why not pop and bang in automatic version???
What happened at 7:55?
Did you go over a slippery patch and the car couldn't grip?
That was wheelspin through all of second gear. We did a heap of runs with the Vbox so we just wanted to show you a few different take off styles on video.
How is the manual slower than the 2.0l 2013 ST?
It isn't
weird that ford says 0-100km/h is 6 seconds for the automatic and 5,8 seconds for the manual the results vary a lot it seems.
How come some of these focuse have the new dashboard like the new Puma
Is it me or does the manual sound way better than the auto and has more pops and bangs
I agree, it will be interesting to see what the new I30N with the DCT is like I reckon that will make the snap crackle and pop sounds.
You're correct, the auto didn't seem to have the same crackles and pops as the manual. Even in Track mode.
That's true, and I think it's a big missed opportunity.
Price?
AU$44,690 (MLP)
I want it right now 😁
The manual seems so much more fun, For one its manual 2 pops and bangs
FOCUS Rs was de best
Interesting that the auto was faster than the manual. Ford has said that the manual is technically quicker because you can flat shift it.
No manual will ever be faster than a Dual Clutch transmission, doesn't matter what your level of skill is, you can't out-shift a computer. If speed is your only concern buy the Auto, if driver engagement is your main focus by the manual.
@@aleks0001
Its not dual clutch in Ford, its a TC AT.. but I felt its a good TC AT. Not as fast as a DCT but not slow either.. but not a great car when the auto is out in manual mode.. its downshift times are much more than DCT cars. But still I felt the new Ford STs like the best balance between i30Ns and Golf GTis. Mature yet fast and slightly playful and has loads of traction.
@@1989rs500 you probably mean to say the best balance between the Megane RS and the Golf GTI. The i30N is quite similar to the ST both in terms of fun and daily livability.
The main differences are that the ST doesn't have that customizable drive mode where you set each category (engine noise, LSD, etc), while the N has worse NVH and has that annoying axle trample.
Those are the only objective things which dictate the choice between the 2 really.
Well... when ypu tested accelration of manual mk3 240hp it was 5.8s 🤷♂️
Its just like Ford to make a good car like the focus RS then do away with it and leave us with the focus ST. How about keep the Rs and give it a variable suspension with a decent ride.
The FORD ST-3 OR the FORD ST-1? Go!
I thought it would sound better than that. Guess they cheaped out on that bit.
14s 1/4 mile a hot hatch? Nope I don't think so. I won't be spending my money here 13s and I would consider.
prefer the manual one thou...that pop pop sound and bang bang😆😆😆even AT version more faster so yehhh
Straight BS they won't bring this state side fml....
I agree 100% with you! Let's all do our part: call or write Ford US Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Mk4 Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well!
Ford Motor Company
Customer Relationship Center
P.O. Box 6248
Dearborn, MI 48126
Ford U.S. Phone: 1-800-392-3673
Avoid the auto if you don't want to have problems. Fords recent record with automatic transmissios is not very good. Go with a manual
I think you are referring to their notorious twin clutch box. Hopefully this 7 speed torque converter is much better.
@@georgeschannel9411 not just the twin clutch take Fords 10 Speed Auto look at the issues with that
@@michaeljones7497
Relatively less issues with that and the ones are there too are corrected most of the time. These 8 speed TCATs are not that bad like the DCTs by Getrag just make sure to change trans oil religiously and 1 will be fine. True these 8 ATs are not as reliable as Toyota, Honda ATs
@@1989rs500 or just go with the manual play it safe and have a gearbox that will last and also have a car that is more enjoyable to drive. I wouldn't want to risk it with the auto transmissions anymore so many car manufacturers are having issues with them. As for Honda and Toyota they have had there issues to Honda still have issues with there CVT transmissions Toyota did earlier on with there CVT transmissions but the Toyota ones are much better now and seem to be holding up. If i was buying a car and wanted a reliable auto transmisson i personally would be going with Mazda as they still use a conventional auto transmission and they aren't having issues with them
@@michaeljones7497 The Ford 8AT is s conventional TC AT
Man i want dis car but its not in my Country
same
New yaris please
Yes, coming soon. Hybrid vs petrol.
@@PDriveTV I think they meant the GR.
The engine from the mustang 2.3 eih
@@chrisdicko1683 it has the same engine from the focus rs, and also the mustang 2.3, the mazda msp3 is somewhat different it has a k04 turbo this is a little different IWS twin scroll
hmm, same engine block as the RS and the Mustang 2.3 but not the same turbo as the RS or power as the Mustang, (both had more power, BUT the Europe spec of the Mustang had it's power reduced from 2019, from 317 ps to 280, which means that the latest gen Ecoboost Mustang over here in uk, are SLOWER than the Focus ST. Which also means that nobody is choosing the Ecoboost over here any more!
Sorta sound like an old 2 stroke bike apart from idle
Well I prefer the auto
👍
Where's the focus rs auto
Why would anyone want an RS auto?
8:19 Result xD
Niceeeee
My Fellow Americans: Let's all do our part: call or write Ford US Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Mk4 Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well!
Ford Motor Company
Customer Relationship Center
P.O. Box 6248
Dearborn, MI 48126
Ford U.S. Phone: 1-800-392-3673
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Test New Subaru BRZ
What for ?
Wait for it.......😄
For underwhelming power and same dynamics.
Yep it's still for hairdresser's with no turbo....😠
2022 brz won't be out until fall of next year
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Fun fact: it's a mazda mps motor 😆😉
should be quite reliable then
good car but still golf no.1
Haha you mean the one that fails miserably at the moose test? Or the one that has the unreliable engine?
@@JeanV1986 do you own one?
Megane is better than Golf...
@@b9625bb Nope. Don't get me wrong, the Golf is a nice overall package, fast and comfortable as a daily but as far as performance and reliability goes, it's hardly state of the art.
Number 1 at being shit
"for those, who can't drive manual"
If you can't drive a manual car, you should cut your license in half and buy yourself a fucking bus ticket!! 🤦🏻♂️