What Happens When YOU Run a Toyota Rav4 Hybrid out of GAS?
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- What happens when your Toyota Rav4 Hybrid vehicle runs out of gas? How far will it drive on battery power alone? Will it restart after adding fuel? How many miles can you drive once the empty light comes on? What is the 2020 Rav4 Hybrid gas tank size? Why does the 2019 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid gas tank have problems? Refueling Issues? Toyota Rav4In today's video we plan to answer many of these questions and possibly more.
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This a load of rubbish!!! I done this in my 2019 Rav 4 Excel and 2018 C-HR both hybrid cars. When the low fuel warning came on the Rav it managed 48 miles and the C-HR managed 72 miles so not sure how you got those figures. I didn’t have an OBD scanner but disconnecting the battery and reconnecting after a few minutes cleared the codes.
Link is broken... Which model is it?
Every Rav4 owner should see this video. I agree with their final conclusion. The premature low fuel light could be that toyota simply does not want owners to run out of gas. It literally disables the car. You cannot restart if even if you put more gas in.
I wonder if this applies to the Prime as well as the Prime has an EV only mode
I wonder does this apply to Ford fusion hybrid
It applies to EVERY Toyota Hybrid, not just the Rav4! If you run completely out of gas, the ECM will very likely throw trouble codes. Everyone who owns a car with an OBD-II port should own an OBD-II dongle and have an app on their cell phones to read and re-set trouble codes.
Just a note, after 3 failed attempts to start the hybrid engine, the computers will enter a Hybrid Lockout mode to protect the engine and hybrid components and will need to be towed to a Toyota dealer so they can clear the codes and get the car running again, or you can clear the codes. I think Toyota does this to keep the Traction Battery from discharging too much to the point where it will become permanently damaged or put it in an extremely vulnerable state where if the engine does start and try to charge the battery an overheating issue could occur and put the vehicle and it's occupants at risk
That is the mode they entered.
Certain codes can also be cleared by restrating the hybrid 3x in a row (at least this was true on the 2012 camry hybrid).
adprom yep I know, I just wanted to inform them what mode they entered and others in the comments that if you run out of gas never to keep starting the hybrid system, while some codes can be cleared by a power on and off sequence the Hybrid Lockout can only be cleared with an OBDII scanner or a Toyota dealer
@@marco.morel04I always wondered what running out of fuel would do. Weird response from the system to lock people out.
adprom it is very strange indeed but it seems Toyota electronics are very sensitive to voltage drops and being the Prius (and other Toyota hybrids) are computers that can drive, it would make sense for Toyota to do everything in their power to keep that battery from discharging past its 40% limit
@@marco.morel04 People like to say Teslas were the first computers on wheels. Little did they know that the Prius was the first ever computer on wheels.
What I learnt from this video is to buy an OBD2 scanner tool which can reset the codes. Good to know.
On the older Priuses the risk was that, since the traction battery runs the electric motor, and the electric motor is used to start the engine, if you run out of gas and then drain the traction battery, you won't be able to start the engine at all. in that case the only solution is to tow your car to the dealership where they have a 400-volt charger to charge up your traction battery. Looks like in the RAV4 they put in a fail safe that will shut down the engine before you run down the traction battery completely.
On both the Prius Prime I used to own, and my new Rav4 Prime, the battery management computer will never allow the traction battery to drop below about 13.5% to 14.0% State of Charge before starting the ICE engine, and I assume the non-Prime Hybrids have a similar set-point for starting the ICE engine when the traction battery gets low. With a Prime, you can just plug it in to recharge, assuming you are home or at a public L2 charger, but this isn't an option with the regular Hybrids. The most vulnerable cars are Toyota Hybrids with NIMH traction batteries, as these will "self-discharge" faster than the lithium-ion batteries in the Prime models if the car is stored too long without being driven. How long this takes depends on how much charge was in the battery when it was parked after the last drive, but Ahmed the Car Care Nut, who is a professional Toyota service tech in the Chicago area (he does really excellent TH-cam vids on Toyota maintenance. and car reviews), cautions that Toyota Hybrids in long-term storage should be started and run for at least a few minutes at least once a month, to prevent the traction battery from self-discharging below the minimum level needed to crank the ICE engine. Toyota Hybrids in long-term storage that aren't started for 6 months or more, are at very high risk to have a traction battery sef-discharge below the minimum level to start the ICE engine, at which point you are going to have to get it towed to a dealership for a rescue charge.
That was great guys lol I’ve wondered about this exact situation ever since I got mine last year
You guys are great! Thanks for the information.
The owner's manual says that you need to put in at least 2.3 gal if it runs out, I think so that the fuel pump can prime.
That makes sense. Nice job, checking the owner's manual! My espresso machine acts similarly. If I run the water dry, the pump won't reprime unless I fill the water tank all the way to assist.
FYI I just had this happen to me and AAA came and tried putting in 2 gallons and it still wouldn't start so I told them to put in more and it started and drove home just fine.
This is GREAT INFO. I've always wanted to know what happens. I will keep a scanner on the car from now on.
very informative, thanks for testing for us!!!
Great video and quality comments from fellow viewers.
Great video... Thanks for this experiment.
That was awesome. Thanks for the show.
Considering that the gauges tell you exactly how far you can drive from a fill, and then that you have 50 km remaining to empty, it is pretty hard to run out! I drove 850 km on 42 litres in the fall.
That's the truth!
Enjoyed this video 😂 thanks 🙏🏼
I've ran the same test last september. I was able to drive for around 260 km after the low fuel light appeared. Put a 10 liters of gas and the car started ok but with a few check engine codes. The day after, the codes were gone and still working perfectly since.
yeah it doesn't make sense to have 150mi reserve - that severely shorten your trips as you don't know when it will really be 'empty' which you don't want to hit. In the video they tried starting multiple times past dead battery time, that why it locked them, otherwise as you mention put gaz and go (like regular car - just don't drive that 0.6 mi on electric...)
You guys have fun but it's very practical experiment and good thing for hybrid owner to know: Don't drive Hybrid (with low gas )without ODBII. Lol. Thanks for checking that out.
entertaining and informative thank you for this real life experiment
thankyou for sharing! great video guys! I just got a highlander hybrid and was freaked out when DTE said 400 after my first fill up... I want to test it too!!
That is awesome!
that was an unexpected outcome. thanks for the valuable video!
Glad you liked it!
Very helpful video! I have a Chevy Volt and plan on getting a Toyota RAV4 Prime when they launch. I'm definitely getting an OBDII scanner.
Not worth your time getting a RAV4 Prime! Not worth it!
@@TravisCyprien why? I’ve had a RAV4 Prime for 6 months
This video provides useful information. I'll carry my scanner in my es300h from now on, though I can't imagine running out of gas with this particular vehicle.
the video didn't show you how to use the scanner. I don't know how to use it :)
Thank you for this video. I wondered what would happen if I ran out of gas once the low fuel light comes on. You guys are hilarious
Glad you had a good laugh on our account! Thanks for watching!
It is really nice to see that viewers of this video 'GET IT'. Now we can turn our attention to the other gas problem, where some owners see their refueling going from 10 gallons to 8, 5, and even less. I had this problem on a corvette and it was due to the bladded. The metal enclosure (it the tank) did not have its air holes punched out...quality control issue. I don't have this issue. I am wondering how many do? And if any of them have checked the air holes. That bladder must compress for gas to come out.
toyota build cars to a high standard, even higher than bmw. American cars dont have a reputation of being built to a high standard. That is not to say that they are faultless. I have tried audi, bmw and have come back to toyota. 2 years in and I'm still satisfied I made the right decision.
Great vid!
wow, what a great test. Thanks
That was fantastic! Hilarious smile showing me what not to do with mine
With the Rav4 Prime it would probably go a bit farther with the 3kw of battery left when it's all the way discharged into Hybrid mode but I would still not want to test that theory without a plan B ready to go. Having an OBD2 scanner that can reset the codes so that it tries again after you put more fuel back in really saved you there!
Those are some cool abandoned buildings!
You guys definitely took a pretty good risk to try this experiment, what came out of this though is by removing all the codes with the OBDII you found a way to restart and move again after adding just a gallon of fuel. I will keep this in mind for myself since I drive a Kia Niro hybrid and even when I didn't drive a hybrid I never let it go completely empty for fear of burning the pump inside the fuel tank. The fuel keeps the fuel pump in your gas tank lubricated without ant fuel it can burn out and you will definitely have to get towed and replace the pump. Next time be very careful driving on empty. Thanks for the video.
We definitely wouldn't advise running your tank on low. This experiment definitely gave us motivation to keep the tank above empty to prevent possible damage and increase the fuel pump life.
What is OBD II?
I just bought a 2020 Hybrid LE. thanks for doing this experiment. good to know I should keep my OBD2 code reader in the boot just in case.
What is that OBD2 code reader? Is it come with car???
@@Thamizhlachchi no but you can buy at amazon or auto store for like $30
@@crazyciera oh. it will set for all model cars? Thx for ur reply. stay safe .
I've been driving a 2019 Prius Prime for the last 4 years, and will take delivery of a Rav4 Prime next week. This may be one of the most valuable TH-cam videos I will watch all year. Another thing I want to point out to all Toyota Hybrid owners: the starter motor for the gas engine in your car is the MG1 motor/generator, which is powered from the traction battery, NOT the 12 volt accessory battery. If your traction battery ever gets so low that it can't crank the engine over, there is no way that you can recharge it at home. All Toyota dealers have a "rescue" charger in the service department, which plugs into the inverter, or into the DC power cable that runs between the inverter and the traction battery. This system carries potentially lethal voltage and it's why only dealerships, or Toyota-specializing repair shops, are likely to have this equipment. If you have to have a Toyota Hybrid towed in to a repair shop because the traction battery is too depleted to crank over the ICE, a session on the rescue charger is likely to cost you at least $400. So DON'T run your Toyota HSD out of gas! The possible consequences can cost you hundreds of dollars, even if no actual damage has been done. These two guys were very lucky that they had an OBD-II scanner at hand, that allowed them to clear the ECM trouble codes, or they would likely have had to call for a tow truck. NOTE: If you have a Prius Prime or Rav4 Prime, a dead traction battery is less of a problem, because you can plug in and recharge it at home without having to resort to a $400 visit to a repair shop for a "rescue recharge".
Sometimes you have to dumb things for science!
😆 Thanks for try this out for me...
I have a Prius Prime. I ran out once and drove 5-6 miles to gas station.
Hey love this video thanks. I just got a 2021 xse and I noticed it only filled up 11 gallons from empty and didn't give me 14.5 gallons to fill up. Just curious once you were on E on the gauge how many miles did you guys drive for until it ran out entirely?
My 2020 xle rav 4 hybrid i can fill upto 16 gallon if you slowly put fuel after 14.5 gallon
Oh to be young & crazy👍🤔
👍good job
Good to know, I drive a 2019 Honda Insight EX hybrid sedan and the gasoline engine will not power the car if the Li-On battery is dead which seems to be what you're experiencing. When I drive the car in the morning the gas engine runs but only charges the battery until I get to 40mph before the electric generator and engine work to together to provide a combination of electric and gasoline power. I do love my gas mileage of 60mpg and occasionally get close to 70mpg driving the back country roads of east Tennessee . I'm watching this video because the wife and I are looking to trade in her 2017 Honda CR-V LX for either a Toyota or Honda hybrid SUV.
My 2019 Insight Touring hybrid also gets super incredible gas mileage. During the summer I'll often get 60 some mpg US (75 Imp mpg) But I'm also going to get a hybrid SUV...... Rav4 XSE hybrid sure looks good to me. CR-V hybrid won't be in Canada until 2021 at least.
As Toyota makes all Siennas Hybrid maybe a scanner is a good idea. Feels like I’m always fueling my Rav4 with the10 gallons. Thanks for the video.
Glad you did this and I don't have to!
the one thing i wont do hopefully is run that low, the other thing i decided just in case was to by a code reader capable of reset just in case, handy thing to have anyway, and cheap as chips to buy, cheers guys, great video as well.
Thanks for watching!
So, all those in the USA that complain they can’t fill their tanks fully, think again! The tank isn’t really empty.
Toyota know what they are doing.
sorry but having a 4gal = 150+mi reserve past 0 doesn't make sense either! most cars have a 20-40mi range past empty (1g). If that's the case maybe a simple software update rather than a tank redesign would fix but that doens't solve so many people only getting 3/4-7/8 fills. So could be multiple issues here.
Toyota has admitted there’s a problem and they are working on fix.
Alain Dumesny 150 miles reserve does seem a lot.
@@alaind831
150 miles reserve is crazy good. Toyota obviously doesnt want people to run the tank to empty before refilling.
Really? Your happy with a reserve of that much gas? The SUV is sold on the notion of less trips to the gas station and longer km/miles. It's not delivering. I could easily get another week of driving on that lost 15 liters of gas (in canada).
Brilliant demonstration of what happens when you run out of gas in a hybrid that no other hybrid enthusiast has covered! I think you guys didn’t expect that you couldn’t restart the car after refilling the tank from the jerry can. The demo wasn’t staged you’re lucky you had the obd2 plug or it would have been an expensive tow to the Toyota dealer. Your l’iCal mechanic would probably spend hours looking for the problem. Everyone needs a obd2 plug if they have a hybrid
Yes! Absolutely hit the nail on the head with this comment! Very shocked we were going to be stranded without an obd2 scanner to clear the codes.
We tried to be prepared with extra fuel and whatnot.
@@ToyotaFixation where would you purchase an obd2 plug and is this applicable to the ‘22s?
would disconnecting the 12v battery wipe the codes?
What app did you use to disable seatbelt warning? ⚠️
3:38 ok ok ok we get it. you don’t need to say “Hybrid system stopped” twice in the same message.
Thanks for taking this risk!
Enjoyed the video. How many miles did you drive after the low fuel indicator came on before it finally died? I've read that there is a fueling issue with the Rav4. Could it be due to the fact that there is a larger reserve tank (4-5 gallons) vs normally 1-2 so people are only able to put in 9-10 gallons to fill up?
At least 150 miles after,. And that's what we were thinking too. It seems like it is a 14 gallon tank, it's just got a 4-5 gallon reserve so when you fill up from "empty" it's still got a third of its capacity left.
@@ToyotaFixation holy shit that's good to know LOL
Thankyou so much 🙏
You're welcome 😊
So if I run my Rav4 hybrid just until it starts chugging/missing, but immediately stop and throw a few gallons in it (before the battery dies), it should be fine? No error codes to be cleared, and I can continue on my way as normal? I'd like to try this, in order to get an idea of my real world range. I've only ever gotten about 12 Gal in it on fill up, running it until it says there's like 20 miles to empty. I have an ODB scanner, but would rather not let the car get to the point where I'd need it.
The link to your obd2 scanner isnt available. Do most scanners have the capability to remove the seatbelt chime?
9 Months ago, but thank you. So i not have to test it on my own prius. But i also have Dr.Prius App and obd2 dongle for reseting reverse beeping and seatbeltwarning. also reading batterycell voltage and resistance of each cell. nice to know what can happen after more than one failure of ignition. Very Cool.
Thanks for watching the channel!
Do you have any info on how to clear the codes through the infotainment system?
In older version you need tu put in 10liters of gasoline if you have a 5l bucket in trunk it will not start.. tried it myself :)
You just solved the infamouse “Rav 4 Hybrid gas refill issue” mystery. If you change the title to this video you will certainly get more views.
^^this
I didn’t catch exactly how they did that? How did they do it lol
People are not seeing a full 14 gal fill because Rav Hyb shows “E” at 10-12 gal useage.
Can you use that obd to turn off that ridiculous back up noise?
How far did you drive after it said zero miles range?
Wonderful
Thank you
What if you erase check engine with dash options?
Where do i get that OB2 or OD2 thing to reset codes?
I have the 2020 RAV4 2020 and over 90000 already… I’m a driver for a living…
(It’s the dark gray and black surround I live so much)
I ran out of gas twice and electric was still cool… nothing slow and got gas …
Hey guys, great vid ! I have a 2019 LE Hybrid in Canada, use an OBD2 scanner app combo and regularly drive 1000+ km between fill-ups.
I was once able to pump 65liters (17 US gal) so there IS more room in the tank than we think.
That is great info!
How can you drive 1000+ km ?? I have the same car and my Rav4's best average is 5.5 liter/100 km .. Please share your secret
@@csap3280 just fo past zero DTE... the buffer is HUGE
I wonder what unknown damage has been caused to your car, if any from running this experiment?
And I also wondering what Toyota would have charged you to do what you did with your OBDII?
The protection is there in case there is a real fuel delivery failure not caused by dry tank.
I bet the gasoline RAV4 will also set trouble codes and give up starting.
Which OBD scanner do you use? The link is broken
TEDDY FRESHHHHHHHH!!!!
How about if you had disconnected battery?
I am wondering if you had rode around in a large city would your experience be different. The kind of Toyota you have ... well I read that the battery regenerates itself at stop signs, traffic lights. Since you were driving on a lot of highway, the car had a different story. This is purely speculation on my part. I am trying to determine if it is better for me to buy the plug-in kind-Toyota Prime because I live in a rural area. And if I got the Toyota Premium and because I always drive on the highway, I would be essentially be using more gasoline than electricity. Then what’s the point of driving a hybrid. If you give me your thoughts on this it would be appreciated.
Toyota has come a long with with Hybrid technology. We have an older Prius C Hybrid as well and it's not as streamlined nor refined. I can't speak to the newer Toyota Prime but the MPGs and user experience with the CVT and other features is near flawless on this model with the regular Hybrid option. I believe the prime has a plug in range of 45 miles.
What app did u use for the obd2 and link for the obd2 not working anymore. Thanks
Carista
Can you please make a video guide on how to disable the seat belt charm?
that would be awesome if they did
It would be against the National Highway Safety Administration rule that requires all vehicles to have noises that are required to worn you of a safety belt or safety related thing for your vehicle safety equipment in order to past safety inspection.
That wasn’t the seat belt chime
Its that Seinfeld episode where Kramer ran to E. Except its 2021.
how did you delete the fault memory ? manualy on the dash or by a scanner ?
Obd2 scanner
One more thing. I think that yiu coukd have jump started the car. When the gas was gone it ran down the 12v battery. The clicking is a dead give away. Jump it to restart it. Af least that’s my theory. Thqnks for doing this guys. I was going to do it and you saved my bacon. Now i know i can drive it another 100+ miles, but don’t let it go dry. Cheers!
No, car runs on high voltage drive battery, not on 12 volt battery. So 12 volt battery was just fine all the time.
It has plenty of juice on the 12v battery. It was making all those clicking sounds on its own. Probably trying to prime the fuel. I also believe it used the hybrid electric motor to start the gas engine. The high voltage electric battery was extremely low. The lack of fuel compounded the issue. It’s definitely good to know what happens if you run out of fuel and how to get it restarted.
The starter for this version of hybrid is actually the first electric motor/generator in the CVT gearbox, the clicking is the electrics complaining(loudly) about low drive batt.
If you are interested in how this works there is a great lecture video(meant for mechanics) by Prof John D Kelly at Weber Auto where he explains Everything
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You and Carson are freaky!!! I can’t believe there are two of you ‘
Low fuel light comes on much too early in many vehicles. I have a Honda Element the light comes on at a quarter tank.
It saves the fuel pumps as they use the fuel for cooling and lubrication.
Battery ran out of juice so fast because the ECU was giving you all it had so that you can drive in the most safest way to some place safe, safely.
2018 C-HR hybrid shows R (Reserve) not E (Empty)
So in other words, we can only pump 10 gallons every time we fill up on “E” but it actually has an extra 4 gallon reserve to prevent situations like this?
Tell us how did you turn off seat belt alert with obd2 please..
Have you figured it out? Ive been trying to find a video but cant find one.
@@jayfever5 not yet buddy, i just bought sit belt holder from Amazon and put it into
Is there some kind of a button, like a restarter button
Just bought a rav4 hybrid. Note to self: get an obd2 scanner 👍, also, HOW DO YOU TURN OFF THE SEATBELT CHIME?!
This carista obd device can turn off the chime.
Dr Prius app can turn it off
This is real engineering.
How many miles were you able to go after reaching 0 miles?
What obd2 plug and what app are you using ?
Carista
@@ToyotaFixation I just tried a similar video with my brand new Rav4 Prime. But I failed. th-cam.com/video/8yZQx7stN7M/w-d-xo.html
@@ToyotaFixation Just got my Carista from Amazon. Now I have to learn how to use it.
Cool video! Yea, it defiantly took way longer to run out of gas than we expected. Something that should have been an hour or less took half a day or more of driving around. And then editing ask that footage was tons of work as well!
It's giving codes for the gas engine not the electric engine right
So when the gas light is on there should around 3.5 gallon of fuel left meaning the car could run on emty over 100 miles.
Toyota having issues with the gallon of gas it reads it recall on the shape of gastank
Why would it cut out fully if it said there was 1/3 battery left at the end?
Well for one, the starter is running off the high voltage battery so if that battery had died they won't have been able to start at all
I know people don’t like reading manuals, but if you do, you’ll find out you have a 14.5 gal tank and empty means you still have 2.2 gal in reserve.
yup which means you could drive another 75 miles to empty.
but they showed they had 4gal past 0 (ot the empty light but 'relly' empty, which always has like 1g 20mi on most cars ). 150mi past 0 doesn't make any sense.
What I would like to know is how many miles were you able to travel after it read DTE 0 and just said "Refuel"?
A LOT!
What was that rattling clanking sound under the hood when you ran out of gas??
Real bad news!!!
Probably the high pressure fuel pump dying
Is this common in the US where 91 unleaded fuel is called premium? Because in Australia, that's the base level and 98 is called premium
the fuel has the same octane the measurement of octane in North America uses a different system than Australia or Europe.
What obd did u use?
I caught a glimpse of the case, CARISTA. Carista is Toyota centric. Another decent OBDII tool is BlueDriver. I have both and can recommend both.
@@freemanwaters2506 hi were about do you plug these in, I have a corolla hybrid 2.0....2019 model uk.
@@andwelovearpsychopat7820 On my USA Limited (Japan Mfg July '19) there is a OBDII receptacle under the left edge of the dash assembly above the left-hand drive drivers left leg. I would expect that if you investigate the underside edge of your front dash, above the foot well, you will find yours.
@@freemanwaters2506 thanks for that man stay safe
@@andwelovearpsychopat7820 You too! Safe, Happy & Healthy New Year!
So the rav4 doesn’t have a faulty gas tank issue after all.
No, it has a faulty fuel guage issue. I run mine 200 miles past empty and don't run out of gas. It then takes 14 gallons of fuel when I fill up.
If I simply fill up when the car says 0 miles left till empty, it only ever takes 9.5 gallons
Interesting info. Good to know I will push my hybrid way more. Most gas I've ever put in was 12 gallons
pretty much the same from me and I always wonder why, when I fill up, my range never exceeds 500 miles. The fuel tank is 15 gallons, by hybrid gets about 40 mpg, so my range should easily be 600 miles. Whenever the E light comes on, I fill up with about 11 gallons of gas, sometimes 10.
How do you clear the codes?
Obd2 scanner. Apparently you can erase them in the hidden dash menu as well.
Is it possible to screw up injectors with trash from the bottom of the tank?
Probably not, this is why there is a fuel filter
Technically yes. The fuel filter is supposed to catch it, but if the filter plugs, you'll burn out the fuel pump.
@@gunmnky Better than the trash getting into the engine.
@@GeraldMMonroe So your philosophy is that its better to destroy your fuel pump than maintain the fuel in the tank because that way, the filter will keep trash out of the engine? Cool. I'll wave when I see you broken down on the side of the road.
Buy a cheap scanner code reader at Harbor Freight and leave it in your vehicle. That What I do....Also, the Blue Devil works great, too.
What app did you use?
Carista
EDIT:
17 gallons for 30 bucks??
We in Germany have to pay three times! Around 100 bucks. yeeez!
I deactivated my seat belt alarm as well. I getting punished for that... because if I don't wear it (on parking lots of course) I can not activate hold on my Corolla. I see what you did there Toyota 😁
The good ol Carista OBD2. Better then Carly... especially for new customer. Carista gives a free month on thr regular app and Carly only for the lite version.
60% tax on petrol gives Britain, France and Germany some of the highest pump prices worldwide. The Netherlands has even higher petrol taxes to pay for all the people talking about new roads. See: www.uhy.com/european-companies-struggling-with-the-worlds-highest-fuel-costs/
What damage can it do to the battery to run it to zero? What about the computers?
Probably nothing. In Toyota hybrids the lowest the battery is normally allowed to get ("empty" on the dash icon) - is about 30 percent. This is the reason these gentleman had a problem. Say the battery is at 30 percent, and the hybrid drivetrain shuts down so it can't deplete further. What if someone tries to restart it repeatedly and they don't have fuel or the spark plugs are bad or something? The battery would deplete with each start attempt and eventually the traction battery would be permanently damaged from low soc. So the Toyota engineers have it throw a code after 3 attempts and block further starts. To reset the codes, disconnect the 12v battery cable.
Gerald Monroe That’s pretty smart. Thanks for the detail.
Lithium batteries explode if they're fully discharged. That's why all lithium batteries have a protection circuit that they are attached to for overcharge and drain protection.
i didn't realise your car had a key, thought it was just a card