I'm not a brand loyalist, but I've always been a little more partial to GM's offerings. However... if I were in the market for a full-size SUV, this new Expedition or the Navigator would be at the top of my shopping list.
I agree completely, just look at the truck market it's insane how expensive they are now....... and who in hell needs all of that damn torque 925 Jesus H Christ , now I can see if the work was progressing with this new found power but I have to believe what a ton of rock was then it is still today lol
Will NorthAmericanGroup Well back in the 30's, 50's and 60's Lincoln pretty much is a match to Rolls-Royce, sadly though Lincoln is no longer in the good old days.
The Lincoln Navigator is such a Hot Seller for Ford right now that Ford had to increase production to meet demand. Ford's currently selling about 1700 Navigators a month
SteelCity1981 - despite that, there are still body-on-frame vehicles that are nimble enough for police pursuit duty, such as the Chevrolet Tahoe PPV and the new Ford F-150 Police Responder. A body-on-frame vehicle will never be as nimble as a comparable unibody vehicle, but it's fair to say a body-on-frame vehicle can be modified to be nimble enough to not be a severely-understeering plow.
I'm surprised that we didn't see any of Motorweek's signature drag strip / slalom footage for the '18 Expedition. Typically, when they do that for people haulers, the results are admittedly entertaining. Seriously, I wanted to see how a contemporary truck-based SUV handles and brakes. I'm also wondering why nobody in the automotive press ever comments on the absence of the F-150's smaller and more frugal 2.7 Ecoboost from the Expedition and the Explorer. Some might say "why?", but I say "why not?".
TheKillerace900 More like 20 because cars are more expensive these days. Hope she likes her expedition, my grandparents own a Eddie Bower 04 explorer, they love it, they used to have a early 90s explorer, was running great until 2010 when it was totaled. They love my 2017 explorer, fords are great cars.
TheKillerace900 Yeah my parents love our explorer, went with the none turbocharged version, just felt it would be more reliable long term 10-15 yrs from now but yeah glad to hear. So I take it you'll be buying a new ford when you trade it in?
It's taking forever for them to hit the showrooms. I want to check them out but the dealer only has a couple of base trim in stock. The 2019's will be starting production end of March.
Rich Eastmain: He was comparing it to the last generation Expedition with 365. The platinum is up 35hp from 2017, while the other trims are up only 10hp.
Matt *small weiners* 😂 how premature. I mean yeah a SUV that’s based on a truck platform is supposed to be like a Prius. I mean a highly trimmed massive SUV that’s made for work and family and fun (both on and off road) isn’t supposed to come with the proper engine for its class. Let me guess, work trucks with proper engines are considered tiny wieners? FOH with that bs.
I assume by 'premature', you mean 'immature'. Is English your second language? Anyway big guy, it was a joke. Holy thin skin... So you'd rather have a "PROPER ENGINE" than one with more torque, better acceleration/towing, and better range? Also, point me to a factory Prius I can buy with 480ft/lbs.
My Yukon V-8 has 310,000 miles on it. Never been opened for repair. If I was going to ditch my next truck at the end of the warranty period, I think the smaller Ford engines would be fine. Not convinced that the smaller engines working harder over the long haul will last as long as the V-8 just loping along.
+Billy Sou No doubt the EcoBoost has plenty of power, a lot of us just don't like Ford shoving their Turbo V6 in the vehicles that have always a least offered a V8. No big deal though, G.M. still offers great V8's in the Suburban and Tahoe!
Jason Roberts what do you mean: “AT LEAST offered a V8”? The turbo V6 performs better in every study when put up against Chevys V8, so I’m not sure why you’re so eager to guzzle more gas when it isn’t necessary.
If you get the heavy duty towing package or the FX4 package, you get a 3.73 axle, limited slip differential, and 4x4 model gets the 2 speed transfer case. Without either of those packages, you get a 3.31 open differential, and 4x4 models have a single speed transfer case only 2 Hi and 4 Auto modes. (Not even a 4 Hi).
Well they gotta have something that blows up to add to their garbage engines that blow turbos. May as well have a really cool show on the highway when both blow up at the same time.
In 1932, Ford invented the V8 engine and then everybody followed. And in 2009, they created the EcoBoost V6 Twin Turbo engine and soon everybody will follow. Guys, Formula 1's engine is now 2.0L Twin turbo and that's hybrid.. it's not about the # of cylinders.. that's old school!
If you want it to actually last you want a real powerful engine so you aren't over-loading that tiny ass engine which is why its only managing to get a mixed fuel economy number of 19...bet its far worse in the real world.
William Todd man.. that engine is a mix of alum and CGI (compact Graphite Iron).. that is super solid.. paired with 10 speed auto transmission which reduces the load on the engine.. just some engineering basics buddy 🤗
The Platinum broaches 80 but the XLT fully loaded is the best value at under $65k. But either way, not too ridiculous considering the smaller and less powerful Yukon Denali is in the same price range.
OK? You could also get a Toyota Sequoia, Chevy Tahoe LT, GMC Yukon SLT, Nissan Armada Platinum, etc. This is priced right in line with the competition....
Its hilarious, how car manufacturers promote towing capacity of their SUVs, but payload of this cars is around 1500 lbs. If you are towing 6000 lbs trailer, you have to substract from payload tongue weight 600-700 lbs. You have around 800 for 7/8 people and their stuff, 100lbs per person. OMG this is shame so low payload capacity of so big cars. I am from EU, and i would like to ask why cars sold in US have much less payload capacity than same cars sold in EU (for example Mitsubishi Outlander: US payload less than 1200 lbs, EU payload more than 1500 lbs)?
Okay, why is the assumption automatically made that in order to buy one of these, you MUST be towing something? What if you just want it for the actually useable third row (sorry, the explorers sucks) and better reliability it has over these piece of shit car- based crossovers, that often times have the reliability of the piece of shit cars they're based on? Id personally rather have a truck, with proven truck hardware, then drive around in a gussied up wagon with a shitty turbo 4-cylinder or a somewhat-competent-at-best sedan V6 (The EcoBoost V6 is a different story of course).
BigjohnSVT what do u mean still no V8? This is their first time taking it away from this car. They did it because the V6 has more power than the V8 but is more economical. It is also more refined and it will probably be put in a Mustang one day
HONDA RULES - The later model years of the previous generation Ford Explorer removed the V8 option and made all Expeditions powered solely by the 3.5L DOHC twin-turbo Ecoboost V6. This new generation model carries over that pattern.
HONDA RULES its less fuel efficient and less powerful than your standard N/A ford V8. You can try to justify it all you want. Ford fucked up by removing the v8 from this big heap. Ill see a few of them floating around here in the next 2 years for about $60,000 less than what they sold for.
michaelheiland123654 Not only with the 5.7 HEMI in the Durango RT and Grand Cherokee and the 6.4 HEMI in the new Durango SRT or the Grand Cherokee SRT.
No, if it was a Tahoe it would offer lower MPG, less room behind 3rd row, terrible 3rd row legroom, 2nd row seats that don't slide at all, and for the same price don't offer adaptive cruise, 360cam, etc. Oh yeah and it would tow almost 1,000lbs less.
zhbvenkhoReload if you like overrated shit. I can’t tell you how many stupid Toyota fanboys think the Landcruiser 200 is the best thing off road. Except just about every off-road vehicle out there. The landcruiser has a shitty interior, shitty performance, shitty legroom. It doesn’t do anything well.
All that work on a 'joint venture' 10 speed, and you're only able to manage 19mpg. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Thanks Ford, for proving once again that more speeds=/=better fuel economy or smoothness. This truck probably searches for gears like nothing else out there. Keep it 6 speeds or less, or dont bother.
LRulesTheWorld you’re obviously uninformed. Fewer gears will hunt more because it always has to compromise. This will get closer to the perfect ratio for any given conditions. Glad Ford and GM engineers are smarter than you. :)
LRulesTheWorld Damn you are so smart that you can't understand logic, A full size SUV getting 19 mpg is amazing, My 4.0 FJ Cruiser with a mild lift gets about 16 mpg.
Alex Stelling Incorrect. Fewer gears means the transmission doesnt hunt. It shifts properly through all of its gears, and is wasting less energy that the engine is putting out, and transfering more power to the ground. When you start adding more gears, the transmission spends most of its time in coms searching for the correct gear to match the speed of the vehicle, thereby wasting energy. There is a reason the best performing vehicles on earth dont come with 10 speeds. GM engineers are about as smart as a sack of rocks in a corn field. Myself, and other engineers, who actually know what they are doing, stay away from more than 6 speeds because it is inefficient and costly. (Unless a rare case appears where 7 are needed for higher speed.) You'll be finding out just how bad these transmissions are in just a few short years. Then, when the problem sheets and service bulletins hit dealers, you can come back and thank me for warning you.
ZepG A full size tahoe from the 90s gets 21-25mpg. The fact that this truck hits $60k in base form, and still isnt recieving numbers that were topped 20 years ago, even with a 10 speed transmission and tens of thousands of dollars in 'new technology', is pathetic.
LRulesTheWorld you’re mistaking “hunting” for shifting. Try a 4 speed automatic up the Teton pass, and you will learn what hunting is when a transmission can’t make up its mind between 2nd and 3rd. Laboring in 3rd and revving hard in 2nd. Forget about trying to overtake. Add a trailer and it’s worse. I’ll take the smart 10 speed thanks.
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I'm not a brand loyalist, but I've always been a little more partial to GM's offerings. However... if I were in the market for a full-size SUV, this new Expedition or the Navigator would be at the top of my shopping list.
thank you
If there was a column shifter then this would be perfect. Hopefully the 3.0 diesel finds its way to the FX4 trim
Column shifters are soo 90's. :)
They really did good with this redesign, it looks very good!
Is it me or do most new "regular" vehicles seem to be looking more and more like luxury vehicles nowadays?
mastur ch33f well it does cost $75,000
777jones I know and it's the platinum trim, but i dont just mean the expedition.
It's what the market expects. Those who say they want simple and cheap don't buy new cars, seldom frequently.
I agree completely, just look at the truck market it's insane how expensive they are now....... and who in hell needs all of that damn torque 925 Jesus H Christ , now I can see if the work was progressing with this new found power but I have to believe what a ton of rock was then it is still today lol
No, more and more like global market vehicles.
the new navigator is a badass SUV, just sat and drove in one. Its like the Rolls Royce of SUVs lol
Lincoln has always made the regular Ford stuff look cheap LOL. Lincoln is the luxury line of Ford. Kind of like Cadillac is for GMC.
DevPack Don't ever mention Rolls Royce and Lincoln in the same breath.
Will NorthAmericanGroup Well back in the 30's, 50's and 60's Lincoln pretty much is a match to Rolls-Royce, sadly though Lincoln is no longer in the good old days.
The Lincoln Navigator is such a Hot Seller for Ford right now
that Ford had to increase production to meet demand. Ford's currently selling about 1700 Navigators a month
it's not a crossover based on a cars unibody, it's an suv based on a trucks frame so of course it's not going to be nimble.
SteelCity1981 - despite that, there are still body-on-frame vehicles that are nimble enough for police pursuit duty, such as the Chevrolet Tahoe PPV and the new Ford F-150 Police Responder. A body-on-frame vehicle will never be as nimble as a comparable unibody vehicle, but it's fair to say a body-on-frame vehicle can be modified to be nimble enough to not be a severely-understeering plow.
400hp - 375hp is 25hp. You said 35.
My grandma has a 1999 Eddie bauer expedition with 172k miles she still uses it do go anywhere and anyhow
My 06 still so nice
the expedition looks modern.
Nice. They are all too pricey for me, but wow. Beautiful vehicle.
Wasn't that, a Ford Explorer in the opening? Lmao..
Jae Millstone777 yes to show fords best selling suv and to say people forgot
I'm surprised that we didn't see any of Motorweek's signature drag strip / slalom footage for the '18 Expedition. Typically, when they do that for people haulers, the results are admittedly entertaining. Seriously, I wanted to see how a contemporary truck-based SUV handles and brakes. I'm also wondering why nobody in the automotive press ever comments on the absence of the F-150's smaller and more frugal 2.7 Ecoboost from the Expedition and the Explorer. Some might say "why?", but I say "why not?".
I still Love the Look Of These!❤️
I like it, both it and the Navigator are very nice.
Gonna buy one in ten years for $8000
LOL! Smart shopper!
15 years to be exact beacuse my mom's 2003 eddie Bauer is still worth $8000
TheKillerace900 More like 20 because cars are more expensive these days. Hope she likes her expedition, my grandparents own a Eddie Bower 04 explorer, they love it, they used to have a early 90s explorer, was running great until 2010 when it was totaled. They love my 2017 explorer, fords are great cars.
Puff the Magic Dragon she loves it , but in few years she going to need a upgrade, but still a ford. Love ford
TheKillerace900 Yeah my parents love our explorer, went with the none turbocharged version, just felt it would be more reliable long term 10-15 yrs from now but yeah glad to hear. So I take it you'll be buying a new ford when you trade it in?
Damn if only it had 5.0 coyote it would be PERFECT!
danny neal buy a wrecked one and V8 swap it
What? No 0-60 or 1/4 mi times??
Unfortunately no. We shot this in Malibu and didn't have a chance to safely run instrumented tests.
MotorWeek well do you happen to know the figures? 0-60 and/or 1/4 results?
MotorWeek I understand, always love to know performance numbers. Love your show. I have been watching it well over 30 years. Keep up the good work.
So, not a FULL test.
Should we crash test them too?
I think Ford should add the 5.0 as an option like the F-150.
It's taking forever for them to hit the showrooms. I want to check them out but the dealer only has a couple of base trim in stock. The 2019's will be starting production end of March.
"Midsize Explorer"...
Yep, about the size the explorer used to be before Ford shrunk them to the current size.
Um it is. Full size is a truck or truck based SUV
as many Ford jokes that i've received thru the years, it's good to see Ford constantly improving.
I like this ford truck better than the chevy! Is way better looking and more premium.
Anibal Babilonia k1199
375 + 35 = 400?!
Rich Eastmain: He was comparing it to the last generation Expedition with 365. The platinum is up 35hp from 2017, while the other trims are up only 10hp.
I like the new expedition it looks way better than it use to look, but IT'S EXPENSIVE.
Damn John Davis is good at thi👍👍👍
I want one so bad!!
Wished this press release video stated what was done for that additional hp and tq for the Platinum trim. Engine tune or internal differences?
I've always like the gm line up over ford but I'd rather have the nav over an escalade
Does the expedition still come with a full size spare wheel like the previous gen Expedition did?
17.3 barrels of oil consumed each year. I get that. But that's assuming how far it gets driven each year? 6000 miles/10, 000 kilometers?
~ 12k
I happen to like body on frame
What’s with the V8 fetish?
ForgottenReasons tradition.
small wieners?
Matt *small weiners* 😂 how premature.
I mean yeah a SUV that’s based on a truck platform is supposed to be like a Prius. I mean a highly trimmed massive SUV that’s made for work and family and fun (both on and off road) isn’t supposed to come with the proper engine for its class. Let me guess, work trucks with proper engines are considered tiny wieners? FOH with that bs.
I assume by 'premature', you mean 'immature'. Is English your second language?
Anyway big guy, it was a joke. Holy thin skin...
So you'd rather have a "PROPER ENGINE" than one with more torque, better acceleration/towing, and better range? Also, point me to a factory Prius I can buy with 480ft/lbs.
My Yukon V-8 has 310,000 miles on it. Never been opened for repair. If I was going to ditch my next truck at the end of the warranty period, I think the smaller Ford engines would be fine. Not convinced that the smaller engines working harder over the long haul will last as long as the V-8 just loping along.
I want this in a v8
This EcoBoost V6 should still suffice. 400 hp has more hp than most naturally aspirated V8s .
+Billy Sou No doubt the EcoBoost has plenty of power, a lot of us just don't like Ford shoving their Turbo V6 in the vehicles that have always a least offered a V8. No big deal though, G.M. still offers great V8's in the Suburban and Tahoe!
you spelled 'diesel' wrong
You don't know anything about Ford's Ecoboost technology
Jason Roberts what do you mean: “AT LEAST offered a V8”? The turbo V6 performs better in every study when put up against Chevys V8, so I’m not sure why you’re so eager to guzzle more gas when it isn’t necessary.
I miss the Column Shifter and the V8 :( But most the column shifter.
JOZEZAZO HD You said it!!
JOZEZAZO HD And brown station wagons with sealed beam glass headlights.
And vinyl seats with an AM radio.
And pouring gas directly into the carbonator.
and sticking my arm out the window to signal a lane change.
Just waiting to get the console shifter in 2019 model.
ameen a khan it is console
is this john davis ? i remember him in motor week before 15 years lol
FX4 models get a limited slip diff- so do 2wd or regular 4wd models have an open diff? For over $50,000?
No, just FX4 has the low and diff option. I believe the 4WD just gets the 2H/4H option
If you get the heavy duty towing package or the FX4 package, you get a 3.73 axle, limited slip differential, and 4x4 model gets the 2 speed transfer case.
Without either of those packages, you get a 3.31 open differential, and 4x4 models have a single speed transfer case only 2 Hi and 4 Auto modes. (Not even a 4 Hi).
That’s really sad.
Put the Lincoln Avaitor touring 600 ft of torque hybrid drivetrain in it.
I guess I'm not well versed on automotive competition... but why would Ford team up with GM of all companies to build a transmission?
Well they gotta have something that blows up to add to their garbage engines that blow turbos. May as well have a really cool show on the highway when both blow up at the same time.
1/2 cost, 1/2 risk, don't compete on transmissions anyway. Go team USA? Seems pretty simple.
The new Expedition looks pretty good. The only thing I would have done different is given it paddle shifters instead of buttons in the center console.
In 1932, Ford invented the V8 engine and then everybody followed. And in 2009, they created the EcoBoost V6 Twin Turbo engine and soon everybody will follow. Guys, Formula 1's engine is now 2.0L Twin turbo and that's hybrid.. it's not about the # of cylinders.. that's old school!
If you want it to actually last you want a real powerful engine so you aren't over-loading that tiny ass engine which is why its only managing to get a mixed fuel economy number of 19...bet its far worse in the real world.
William Todd man.. that engine is a mix of alum and CGI (compact Graphite Iron).. that is super solid.. paired with 10 speed auto transmission which reduces the load on the engine.. just some engineering basics buddy 🤗
Math is not your forte I say. 375bhp + 25 bhp = 400bhp, you said the platinum gains 35bhp? LOL
I like it. A little ugly, but it won’t rust. I have an ‘18 F150 crew cab 4x4. Same basic vehicle.
I think I’m going to sell my house, take out a loan and buy one.
It gains 25 hp. Not 35
Isnt the cost hovering around $90k
The Platinum broaches 80 but the XLT fully loaded is the best value at under $65k. But either way, not too ridiculous considering the smaller and less powerful Yukon Denali is in the same price range.
Matt 65k... I could get a Shelby for that money
OK? You could also get a Toyota Sequoia, Chevy Tahoe LT, GMC Yukon SLT, Nissan Armada Platinum, etc. This is priced right in line with the competition....
Late night Walmart runs LMAO
Why is the front lip so low???
Tip & slide function is new? Umm my 1988 Ford Bronco 2 has that function.
William Todd @ Is that one of the junkets that y'all keep in the backyard? Bet ya got a back seat from a 66 Falcon on the front porch!
Please America pass from inches to metric system!
And diesel engine please!
Inches are superior to the metric system
I don't understand you Americans why you always want V8 . I had a older one 5.4 V8 it was horrible on gas the hp was much lover then 3.5 litter !!!!!
Its hilarious, how car manufacturers promote towing capacity of their SUVs, but payload of this cars is around 1500 lbs. If you are towing 6000 lbs trailer, you have to substract from payload tongue weight 600-700 lbs. You have around 800 for 7/8 people and their stuff, 100lbs per person. OMG this is shame so low payload capacity of so big cars. I am from EU, and i would like to ask why cars sold in US have much less payload capacity than same cars sold in EU (for example Mitsubishi Outlander: US payload less than 1200 lbs, EU payload more than 1500 lbs)?
Okay, why is the assumption automatically made that in order to buy one of these, you MUST be towing something? What if you just want it for the actually useable third row (sorry, the explorers sucks) and better reliability it has over these piece of shit car- based crossovers, that often times have the reliability of the piece of shit cars they're based on? Id personally rather have a truck, with proven truck hardware, then drive around in a gussied up wagon with a shitty turbo 4-cylinder or a somewhat-competent-at-best sedan V6 (The EcoBoost V6 is a different story of course).
Jo LC The explorer is a beast for reliability and space. I'm 5 10 and 250 lbs and I've ridden in the third row several times.
Oh you mean like people buying trucks today to use as family sedans rather than actually the intended purpose of a truck LOL.
William Todd @ What is the purpose of a truck Willy? Going to the truck pulls on Saturday night with the rest of the gang from the trailer park?
This is not a Full-Size Sport Ute. This is a Luxury House. On Wheels
haha trailer back up assist.. that's funny
Makes it so any moron can pull a trailer...not that they have the brains to do so, just so that they can.
William Todd @ Signed, William Todd, head moron. Keep it coming brilliant one!
The color is nice but all that fake chrome bs 😲
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Still NO V8 seriously Ford!!
BigjohnSVT what do u mean still no V8? This is their first time taking it away from this car. They did it because the V6 has more power than the V8 but is more economical. It is also more refined and it will probably be put in a Mustang one day
HONDA RULES - The later model years of the previous generation Ford Explorer removed the V8 option and made all Expeditions powered solely by the 3.5L DOHC twin-turbo Ecoboost V6. This new generation model carries over that pattern.
HONDA RULES its less fuel efficient and less powerful than your standard N/A ford V8. You can try to justify it all you want. Ford fucked up by removing the v8 from this big heap. Ill see a few of them floating around here in the next 2 years for about $60,000 less than what they sold for.
Move up to Chrysler HEMI power
michaelheiland123654 Not only with the 5.7 HEMI in the Durango RT and Grand Cherokee and the 6.4 HEMI in the new Durango SRT or the Grand Cherokee SRT.
Nice Tahoe FORD
No, if it was a Tahoe it would offer lower MPG, less room behind 3rd row, terrible 3rd row legroom, 2nd row seats that don't slide at all, and for the same price don't offer adaptive cruise, 360cam, etc. Oh yeah and it would tow almost 1,000lbs less.
Matt lmao talking about the exterior genius.
Yeah I'm such an idiot, because that was super clear based on your post....
Matt think it was said nothing about anything you mentioned. Thanks for trolling
hnnotyy Yeah I like Chevy's new f-150 and explorer.
How can the Expedition's 9,300 lbs. towing be Best In Class with my 2008 Toyota Sequoia's towing weight at 10,000 lbs.?
S. Toshi Adair because now they use the SAE J2807 standard, and the Toyota is now rated at 7,400 lbs.
Alex Stelling got emmmm
Ford Expedition compete with the Grand Cherokee L,Tahoe,Armada,Sequoia,Durango,Wagoneer
75k lul nice joke is gonna be 30k in 3 years
Road test? Seriously? All you guys did was just read off the spec sheet. This is lame.
Probably broke down during the road test so...let's just read the window sticker.
A FORD mORE EXPENSIvE THAN THE GERMANS LUXURY hahahahahhahahahaha
Same ole same old... but now with aluminum! Go 'murica... yawn!
J Will because steel bodies really help with the capabilities. What’s it like to be so stupid?
Alex Stelling
Thanks for asking... it feels great!
Oh wait, you were trolling?
Did you even watch the video? The new expedition is thoroughly modern, capable, and tough. Luxurious (and expensive ) but also with great utility
make a toyota landcruiser, and it is worthh the expense
zhbvenkhoReload if you like overrated shit. I can’t tell you how many stupid Toyota fanboys think the Landcruiser 200 is the best thing off road. Except just about every off-road vehicle out there. The landcruiser has a shitty interior, shitty performance, shitty legroom. It doesn’t do anything well.
Don't be emotional, girl, you know damn well I ain't lying. Keep living up your dreams, though!
I didn’t say you were lying. You’re just delusional, like every other brain dead Toyota fanboy.
Good for you
You haven't driven the new Lancruiser obviously.
All that work on a 'joint venture' 10 speed, and you're only able to manage 19mpg. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Thanks Ford, for proving once again that more speeds=/=better fuel economy or smoothness. This truck probably searches for gears like nothing else out there. Keep it 6 speeds or less, or dont bother.
LRulesTheWorld you’re obviously uninformed. Fewer gears will hunt more because it always has to compromise. This will get closer to the perfect ratio for any given conditions. Glad Ford and GM engineers are smarter than you. :)
LRulesTheWorld
Damn you are so smart that you can't understand logic, A full size SUV getting 19 mpg is amazing, My 4.0 FJ Cruiser with a mild lift gets about 16 mpg.
Alex Stelling Incorrect. Fewer gears means the transmission doesnt hunt. It shifts properly through all of its gears, and is wasting less energy that the engine is putting out, and transfering more power to the ground. When you start adding more gears, the transmission spends most of its time in coms searching for the correct gear to match the speed of the vehicle, thereby wasting energy. There is a reason the best performing vehicles on earth dont come with 10 speeds. GM engineers are about as smart as a sack of rocks in a corn field. Myself, and other engineers, who actually know what they are doing, stay away from more than 6 speeds because it is inefficient and costly. (Unless a rare case appears where 7 are needed for higher speed.)
You'll be finding out just how bad these transmissions are in just a few short years. Then, when the problem sheets and service bulletins hit dealers, you can come back and thank me for warning you.
ZepG A full size tahoe from the 90s gets 21-25mpg. The fact that this truck hits $60k in base form, and still isnt recieving numbers that were topped 20 years ago, even with a 10 speed transmission and tens of thousands of dollars in 'new technology', is pathetic.
LRulesTheWorld you’re mistaking “hunting” for shifting. Try a 4 speed automatic up the Teton pass, and you will learn what hunting is when a transmission can’t make up its mind between 2nd and 3rd. Laboring in 3rd and revving hard in 2nd. Forget about trying to overtake. Add a trailer and it’s worse. I’ll take the smart 10 speed thanks.
75k today next year it’s worth 50k. Ford’s have very low trade in value.
Christ that is one ugly expedition