I'd say Jaghatai's biggest strength can also be his greatest weakness. By that, I mean that he keeps his cards a little _too_ close. He's always been a lone wolf, very self-reliant, never really opening up to anybody. He's aloof in ways Corvus could only _dream_ of being. We as outside observers have the benefit of knowing that he's a pragmatic loyalist, but we have to remember that nobody else in the story knows that. To everyone else, Jaghatai is a total wildcard who often can't be relied on in uncertain times. It's also worth noting that when you make yourself hard to read, you're not just difficult for your enemies, you're also difficult for your friends. It's extremely hard to support someone who tells you so little about himself.
Also, their homeworld was one of the few that was not completely annihilated and made into a living nightmare by the age of strife, to the point that they didn't really understand the reason for hiding the truth of the warp. They were sheltered from the worst of it, and their culture and shaman traditions kept them safe from chaos corruption. Overall, one of my favorite loyalists factions.
I think the white scars are a perfect representation of the political satire in warhammer The fact that chaos was held at bae by simply not being a fucked up society. There is no need for the imperium to be as bad as they are. They are only feeding the thing they are trying to fight. The best way to fight chaos seems to be to simply stop fighting
@@rikifromplanetk8305Maybe but then other gods get fed. More like going with the Khan and just not hiding Chaos from the people. Educate and train them and have a lil faith in them instead of just leaving them unaware and unguarded from the powers of the Warp
@@rikifromplanetk8305 This reminds me of the opening lore section in the First Edition core book for Dark Heresy where it is pointed out that the ignorance, suspicion and oppression that the Ecclesiarchy forces onto Humanity is at its very core counter-productive as it breeds the very issues it is intended to prevent but at the same time it's gone far past the point where it can be rolled back without the whole rotten pressure cooker exploding into turbo-heresy the instant the masses of humanity aren't slaves to the yoke of faith.
My favorite part of the lore is Jaghatai Khan arguing with Malcador about the Imperial Truth being complete bullshit because they both knew that there are evil *things* in the warp. The White Scars' stormseers knew that the warp was dangerous and while they used it for all it was worth, they did so with caution and restraint. They were what the librarius was meant to be.
my favorite part is when Jagatai argue with Filgrim, F: "I heard you did strange things to your ships.... ;) ;) ;)" J:"I heard you dud strange things to your warriors :P :P :P"
If you can see us, we are dangerous indeed. But that is nothing to the peril you face if you cannot see us, and all you can hear is our laughter. -White Scars Proverb
My man did it, he finally covered the best legion around. Jaghatai is easily the best primarch. Literally seems to be the ONLY one with a brain out of all of his brothers
Jaghatai is such a cool primarch. The white scars represent the very best of the Horus heresy. Going from a relatively bland and forgotten space marine chapter to having a incredibly fleshed out culture and great characters. Same with the thousand sons, ultramarines, and alpha legion. Space marine lore became much richer thanks to the lore expansion that came with the expanded backstory of the heresy.
Jaghatai Khan being one of the few loyalist primarchs who's able to see right through the Emperor's extreme bullshit and lies and call it out without being some raging nutjob or hyper dramatic fanatic like several of the traitors and a few loyalist primarchs (disregarding the hypocritical ones or blindly loyal ones) makes me both respect him a great deal but also just genuinely like him. He might not stand out, but damn if you don't notice his absence when he is legit gone.
His whole argument with the Emperor where he talks about the longer you keep up the lie the greater the anger of those you fooled when the truth comes out and a number of other things was honestly just incredibly unironically based. He was completely right but the Emperor is the type to just have supreme confidence he can handle the backlash and keep doing it his way anyways.
@@Pragabond Turns out that Big E could not, in fact, handle the backlash and keep doing it his way. As evidenced by his bony ass sitting on that golden couch.
Emperor recruiting every other primarch: "I will first teach you the Imperial ways and strategies, you're world will enter the fold and then you may integrate into the legion." Emperor recruiting the Khan: * sees a bunch of pre-industrial mongolian nomads crusading across the plains on horseback while metallica plays in the distance * "You're good to go. Heres a legion and a space fleet."
the music in the background makes it feel like you're just casually sipping burbon and smoking a cigar while talking about the white scars to a rich dude.
I don’t think Jaghatai pretends to be a savage or a barbarian to help hide his true intentions & nature. I think Jaghatai Khan does not do this. I think he is just forthcoming about who and what he is and people assume he is a barbarian. It would be an easy assumption to make about him and his warriors. A heavy, foreign accent. Imperfect spoken gothic. The animal skin and fur clothings. The heavy scars across the face and body which betrays a life of struggle in untamed lands rife with danger. The necklaces made of bones. Displays of skulls on their armour. And so on. They make no illusions about what they are. If the Space Wolves are barbarians, which they are, then the White Scars would be what you might consider civilized barbarians.
This is a very well thought out take, I actually appreciate this perspective? It does make sense for them to be the more civilized versions as their upbringing seemed to have a lot of similarities
Jaghatai and the Scars are a lot like the Leagues of Votann in that they are perfectly happy with letting people be wrong about them. Why stop your enemy from making a fatal mistake?
They may not put up a facade around being barbarian, but they love being seen as barbarians. Because that is a tactically superior position. an enemy would expect a blind charge, only for their commander to be assasinated, their supply lines cut, and flanked from all sides. and the last words they hear is a "barbarian" quoting the 40k equivalent of shakespear in broken english.
in fact.... the Khan was super annoyed by this prejutice and sterotype, he made his astertes gone study philosophy, art, poetry and a whole lot of other things, so white scars marines are said to be in reality among some of the most educated astrties
Dude really is the king of burns in the 40k universe. Khan just straight up smokes Mortarian's ass. ‘I should have taken on the Legion Master. I should have fought Typhon.’ Then later, "'I… absorbed,' Jaghatai rasped, 'the… pain.' Mortarion halted. 'What do you mean?' 'I… know,' Jaghatai said, his voice a liquid slur. 'The Terminus Est. You… gave up. I… did not.' And then he grinned - his split lips, his flayed cheeks, his lone seeing eye, twisting into genuine, spiteful pleasure. 'My endurance is… superior.' Khan rules so hard.
Their chill factor, to me, was what made me decide to chose them as my army rather than the Space Wolves. Chris Wraight did a phenomenal job fleshing out their lore in Scars. Also, painting white is a pain but super rewarding. I’m currently working on my outriders. I’m using Gryph Charger grey for a more cool white scheme vs. warm/eggshell white.
I love Dorn, Sigismund, The Fists, and the Black Templars, but I have a cat named Jaghatai. The Khan is by far the most well-adjusted Primarch, and the only one you could chill with. The White Scars lose so much in the transition to 40k. Chris Wraight comes out of nowhere and dares you not to fall in love with the space mongolians during the heresy. Their dedicated novel arc is short, but one of the best. I dare you not to cry at the climax of Path to Heaven when the Khan makes his big speech. They're also incredibly cooler in 30k when the Imperium wasn't busted broke and all of them rode jetbikes. wheels are for losers. Their cavalry charge in Saturnine is dope. The whole idea of turning fighting into an artform and therefore a source of joy such that the ideal white scar laughs as he sheds the blood of his enemy - that idea is one of the coolest in this whole setting thing. The khan is also the only primarch who can pull-off looking badass without his powerpack/power armor.
That would be so cool. like imagine if a portal opens up, all the Dark Angels are hype as all hell to see their gene daddy come out. Cut to their looks of utter depression as they hear the revving of a motorcycle blaring.
White Scars were my fav right out the gate getting into 40k because SPEED. But after getting into the lore I was very happy to find out my intuition was right, and they're the best legion along side the Salamanders
@@G8oo8N8 all of my agreement! No, seriously, Blood Angels are another one of my favorite legions. Their gimmick with "blood" everything is kinda lame, sure, but, first of all, we all remember Sanguinius' sacrifice and feat of arms, and then, their affliction(s) gives them that tragic tinge that also makes them more human, so to speak. I wholeheartedly approve.
First time learning more about white scars. They are dope and so is the khan. Learned a little more about him and had to look up stuff on the white scars.
Definitely one of the armies I would be involved with in 40k. If I ever got super into it as far as to pick up the table top games. What's more terrifying than the sound of Jolly cooperation before death? Love him because it's REALLY obvious who he wouldn't have gone to if traitor. But he's the complete opposite of Korne(y) ways.
The WS absolutely carried the Loyalists during the HH in the way that the IW carried the Traitors. They were the only full strength legion to stand against the Traitors, they did it for the entire 9 years of the HH, and they managed to get to Terra on time for the Siege.
Anyone think there is something about the Khan being forgotten/disregarded as one of his features? Even the lore around him is vague and ignored. In the heresy he was barely even considered by the traitors or loyalists and it wasn't until Rus was desperate that he even remembered Khan existed.
Realistically speaking, The White Scars would probably be the best Space Marines Chapter/alegion to join. Almost all of the others would turn you into a servitor if you failed but it at least seems like The White Scars don't do that. Not to mention that they are probably some of the most, if not the most, respectful of all the Space Marines. Salamanders are a close second.
one thing in the lore is that Jagatai Khan was extremely annoyed that most other primarch viewed him and his astertes to be barbaric brute and stuff, so in the intiation and training of white scar he also put an heavy enphisis on education of traditions, philocophy and art (for example White Scar astartes have to know colligraphy, poetry, and philosophy and other form of art, and humanism studies), that his marines got to have hobbies that builts charecter when they do not fight or do training drills
The first army I played and the only Space Marines I don't find atrociously boring. The fact that I was pissing off Ravenwing players back in 3rd didn't hurt either.
I know the white scars aren't usually a super popular Legion, but dude as a fan of the books first, the white scars are badass! They are among my top 4or 5 favorite legions. The way they do things is cool as hell, they are the only Legion who focused on being unnaturally fast, and their librarians brand of magic is literally storm magic. Not to mention the white armor is pretty slick too. I like jaghatai quite a lot too as he's a unique primarch. I like in their first horus heresy book they're talking about which primarch would beat the other in a duel and he basically tells em he'd whip their asses because they don't know anything about him, but they're all so loud about their achievements that he knows EVERYTHING about them. Especially fulgrim, who I once again, hate. He's the first person that I see calling fulgrim a peacock to his face. Jaghatai is the most underrated primarch of them all. Also yesugei, their main librarian, was just cool as hell. I mean they laugh while killing their foes. That's just badass. Also he is one of the few primarchs that will value the opinions and guidance from a mortal human being. They brought in a woman from the administratum to help them improve logistics in the Legion and she became one of his chief advisors. Similar to how guilliman had euton as a mother, jaghatai had this woman whose name escapes me. She wasn't there as long as euton so she wasn't a mother figure but he held her wisdom as near equal to his astartes advisors. That's just not super common
@karambiatos that's right, they call her zhu. She all but saved the legion when jaghatai was on Prospero. Takes a lot of guts to walk into a massive astartes on astartes battle. She was a pretty cool character and the dialog between her and jaghatai, yesugei, and shiban was pretty incredible to read. They are very closed off from outsiders and she managed to break thru that. This Legion just has a very unique culture and way of living that I really like. And they are so under rated in how dangerous they are
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 I like the white scars the most or at least i feel they are written the best, like real humans that have some depth to them, a lot of other space marine stuff is all written dead pan robots stupid ones at that.
@karambiatos I mean I love a lot of space marines and they have a ton of good characters with a lot of depth. But I can understand saying that about minor barely named ones. There are Def some that are just "generic soldier" but I think that's because that's technically the role they are playing. But I agree with you that I don't think I can think of a single white scar that gave me that impression. They all did feel like unique characters with depth that separates them from everyone else. I like the salamanders in a similar way. They're both kind of the opposite of say the imperial fists or the ultramarines. Don't get me wrong some of my favorite characters come from those 2 legions, but they both certainly embody the typical soldier persona sometimes. They also give us guys like Thiel, pollux, and sigismond tho. Who are all fascinating.
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 I have the most issue with ultramarines especially some of their books are an absolute slog to get through even an audio book because there's 0 interesting character development, and white scars for example force writers to inject more emotions because they have to make them laugh when fighting. Of course there are some amazing ultra marines books, but there are some that are just snoresville mostly the ones that are just battle, battle, battle.
Also I don’t remember which story it is, but in the “Endless War” audio collection; there is a story of one of the Khans dueling with a Blood Angel or Soace Wolf Captain that has their weapon chained to their gauntlet. The Khan is wielding a Guandao, the other Captain a sword. Their dueling to reenact a tradition from when their respective Primarchs were bitching over which one of them got the final honor kill in some old campaign. Anyway, it’s a really cool story and both the Captains have good perspectives as to why the sword should or should NOT e chained to his gauntlet. Awesome video 🫡
Jagathai I think is the dark horse of the primarchs. He pretty much came from no lore to being a total badass by the end of the Horus Heresy and the more I read about him the better it becomes. I really do hope he comes back to spank Morty again.
Love these video’s man, keep it up. Though I’m wondering, any plans for xeno based videos anytime soon or are you focusing exclusively on mankind for the moment?
Loving your videos man. Came across your channel a few days ago and was surprised to see you only started uploading a month ago, your quality makes it out like you've been doing it for a while. Keep it up, you're doing great!
iirc it's that the remembrancer could not pin down his nature and jims space is like that's his nature - he's such a free spirit he is completely unpredictable.
Ironically the legion known for being completely out of the way happened to be the first I studied about, if just for seeing cool motorbikes and thinking “might be cool”. As a Fallout fan the reference to real world Great Khans was not lost on me, and Jaghatai was the guy that really made the Horus Heresy click for me and turn history into storytelling. He was basically a sidequest alongside the major events of the conflict, his relative neutrality serving as a case study for the Imperium’s philosophy. Also his rivalry with Mortarion is raw as fuck, that decimation of Fulgrim’s masculinity was only 2nd place.
Who functions as a subject, while whom functions as an object. Use who when the word is performing the action. Use whom when it is receiving the action. -Kim is an athlete WHO enjoys distance running. -Asher wrote a letter to a pen pal WHOM he had never met. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
He's the thinking Primarch. When the Heresy happened, he didn't know the situation, so he checked. Went to Prospero and cased the situation. Also part of his legion went traitor and tried to take the rest of the legion with them while he was away, trying to force their primarch to turn traitor by turning his legion. Didn't work out for them...
Old vid and not important, but I love talking about the Alpha Legion. Theu *do* fight like space marines, and very well. They just spend several years before the fight laying the groundwork in secret.
The wisest Primarch & he's a top tier fighter also. Honestly I'd put him just below The Lion and above Fulgrim with fighting abilities, whilst having the brains above Dorn and just below Guilliman. Overall he is my Top 3 best loyal Primarchs list. Only below Sangy and Guilliman when it comes to what Primarchs are best for the Imperium overall. He rides out in the Siege of Terra to save civilians when told he'll probably die. Also he has the best verbal burn in 40k history. Fulgrim "I hear you do strange things to your ships"? Khan "I hear you do strange things to your warriors"? 🔥🤣 And yes, I think the Khan would decimate Fulgrim in a 1 on 1. His speed is insane. He turns into a blur of blades when fighting some hefty Orks & the Orks try to flee because they are getting decimated by him that fighting no longer becomes pleasurable from an Ork point of view...imagine...
actually since we have all these cool contrast paints that make the job easier I really consider painting a white scars boarding patrol, although I always wasn't the fan of painting white color
No, he is stuck in the webway. Possibly chilling with the Laughing God in the Black Library, or Fighting the Drukari in Commoragh. The most Slept on loyalist Primarch…
@@vicstanfieldshire7754 the primarch books are good depending on how you look at them. The best ones are. konrads book the khans book mortys book pertys book I am alpherius book lorgars book fulgrims book. The others it depends but yeah the books I mentioned kinda puts a better prospective on primarchs. The khans book actually made me really like the khan and the white scars on the loyalist side.
@@ludovicusbathory1715 AWESOME! Thanks, yea a few short stories about Kurze were really really good, jettisoned all them bodies on the city was freaking dope. In Legion you got a little glimpse into Alpha Legion; for some reason I think I really like the XX Legion. Plus being introduced to John Gramaticus was really cool. I feel that I’m gone end up siding with one of the Loyalist Chapters though. I like the Knights Errant, Garviel Loken, Garro, Tarvitz and Torgaddon have been my favorite characters so far. I really liked Horus Rising and Galaxy in Flames. I think I’ve listened to each of those like 8-9 times. Horus at the Delphos, the Mourneval, the Remembrancers, it’s all SOOOOOO good. I also really wanted to see Henry Cavill play Loken / Cerberus , i feel like Loken is one of the most important characters of the Heresy and you see so much of the story from his perspective.
These guys went from bland nothings to one of the best Legions thanks to Vheis Wrights books. One thing to note is that Jaghatai was an intentional perpetual outsider, never wanting to settle and not much of a joiner. His Legiom was similar. They never hid anything, they were simply always om the periphery, doing their own thing. These guys were as cultured as the Blood Angels, Thoudand Sons, or Emperor's Children, pursuing poetry, art, brewing and vinting in addition to warmaking. They low key resented being compared to savage blowhards like the Space Wolves, but never really took pains to correct the mistaken views of others, figuring that was the other folks problem.
Isn’t Doomrider’s head on the wall in their fortress monastery? It’s, like, taxidermied on a mount and just screams about cocaine all day? Could be wrong, but I hope I’m right.
may be a few weeks off lol Considering they are the last chapter, but I feel I am going to learn a lot, then the final sentence of the book says "or that could all just be a lie/psyopp we want you to believe"
I love the white scars and totally wanted to play them the first time I saw them but like you sed the white is hard as shit to work with so I picked the dark hunters stealthy white scars who hate orcs but paint their armour a dark shadowy blue.
All the Primarchs have these massive dramatic peaks and valleys but Jaghatai is just a regular all around cool dude
honestly good for him tho
He is basically that extremely based Asian exchange student who has little friends. And of course he teams up with the nerd.
I love their culture regarding Psykers. They nurture and cultivate them. According to lore, no Psyker born on Chogoris has ever fallen to Chaos.
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The Warhawk, whose special power is common sense.
common sense
and speed
don't forget the speed
@@TheBoneZone40k Yes, but common sense is so much more... uncommon.
basically man lol
I'd say Jaghatai's biggest strength can also be his greatest weakness. By that, I mean that he keeps his cards a little _too_ close. He's always been a lone wolf, very self-reliant, never really opening up to anybody. He's aloof in ways Corvus could only _dream_ of being.
We as outside observers have the benefit of knowing that he's a pragmatic loyalist, but we have to remember that nobody else in the story knows that. To everyone else, Jaghatai is a total wildcard who often can't be relied on in uncertain times.
It's also worth noting that when you make yourself hard to read, you're not just difficult for your enemies, you're also difficult for your friends. It's extremely hard to support someone who tells you so little about himself.
Funny enough, he was said to have been the Lion's only friend amongst the Primarchs.
@@DeusExMachina10001 because the brothers are all problematic
Also, their homeworld was one of the few that was not completely annihilated and made into a living nightmare by the age of strife, to the point that they didn't really understand the reason for hiding the truth of the warp. They were sheltered from the worst of it, and their culture and shaman traditions kept them safe from chaos corruption.
Overall, one of my favorite loyalists factions.
I think the white scars are a perfect representation of the political satire in warhammer
The fact that chaos was held at bae by simply not being a fucked up society. There is no need for the imperium to be as bad as they are. They are only feeding the thing they are trying to fight.
The best way to fight chaos seems to be to simply stop fighting
@@rikifromplanetk8305Maybe but then other gods get fed. More like going with the Khan and just not hiding Chaos from the people. Educate and train them and have a lil faith in them instead of just leaving them unaware and unguarded from the powers of the Warp
@@rikifromplanetk8305 This reminds me of the opening lore section in the First Edition core book for Dark Heresy where it is pointed out that the ignorance, suspicion and oppression that the Ecclesiarchy forces onto Humanity is at its very core counter-productive as it breeds the very issues it is intended to prevent but at the same time it's gone far past the point where it can be rolled back without the whole rotten pressure cooker exploding into turbo-heresy the instant the masses of humanity aren't slaves to the yoke of faith.
My favorite part of the lore is Jaghatai Khan arguing with Malcador about the Imperial Truth being complete bullshit because they both knew that there are evil *things* in the warp.
The White Scars' stormseers knew that the warp was dangerous and while they used it for all it was worth, they did so with caution and restraint. They were what the librarius was meant to be.
my favorite part is when Jagatai argue with Filgrim,
F: "I heard you did strange things to your ships.... ;) ;) ;)"
J:"I heard you dud strange things to your warriors :P :P :P"
"I know literally nothing about the Alpha Legion" Welcome to the club my man.
I know one thing…..
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I
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ALPHARIUS!
@@vicstanfieldshire7754 No, I'M Alpharius!
@@TheRedMan77
No, I am Alpharius!
The only thing that I know is that “Is a lie that Alpharius want you to believe”
To be honest i have my doubts that even alpharius knows anything about the alpha legion
If you can see us, we are dangerous indeed. But that is nothing to the peril you face if you cannot see us, and all you can hear is our laughter.
-White Scars Proverb
The White scars just have some of the best proverbs
That's a quote, not a proverb
@@joriankell1983
Kill joy...
My man did it, he finally covered the best legion around. Jaghatai is easily the best primarch. Literally seems to be the ONLY one with a brain out of all of his brothers
Given WHO said brothers are thats not a high bar
Based and Scars-pilled
The competition is a guy that literally dont have half of his brain so...
exactly why i play them. once i learned all i could about each, i made my choice. was obvious once i knew enough about them.
I'd say Gulliman is pretty level headed and smart as well, though the Khan does take the cake in both departments in most situations.
Jaghatai is such a cool primarch. The white scars represent the very best of the Horus heresy. Going from a relatively bland and forgotten space marine chapter to having a incredibly fleshed out culture and great characters. Same with the thousand sons, ultramarines, and alpha legion. Space marine lore became much richer thanks to the lore expansion that came with the expanded backstory of the heresy.
yes because they are wise
"i heard you do strange things to your ships jaghatai"
"fulgrim, i heard you do strange things to your warriors"
Jaghatai Khan being one of the few loyalist primarchs who's able to see right through the Emperor's extreme bullshit and lies and call it out without being some raging nutjob or hyper dramatic fanatic like several of the traitors and a few loyalist primarchs (disregarding the hypocritical ones or blindly loyal ones) makes me both respect him a great deal but also just genuinely like him. He might not stand out, but damn if you don't notice his absence when he is legit gone.
His whole argument with the Emperor where he talks about the longer you keep up the lie the greater the anger of those you fooled when the truth comes out and a number of other things was honestly just incredibly unironically based.
He was completely right but the Emperor is the type to just have supreme confidence he can handle the backlash and keep doing it his way anyways.
@@Pragabond Turns out that Big E could not, in fact, handle the backlash and keep doing it his way. As evidenced by his bony ass sitting on that golden couch.
*The White Scars having a tradition of capturing skulls
*Khorne heavily breathing
"Jaghataii Khan is....actually pretty chill."
-Lion 'El Johnson
Emperor recruiting every other primarch: "I will first teach you the Imperial ways and strategies, you're world will enter the fold and then you may integrate into the legion."
Emperor recruiting the Khan: * sees a bunch of pre-industrial mongolian nomads crusading across the plains on horseback while metallica plays in the distance * "You're good to go. Heres a legion and a space fleet."
"You guys look BALLER. I don't see a reason to change you."
Totally agree except for one thing - the soundtrack would be "Speedfreak" by Motorhead :)
Mongolian Metallica equals The Hu. They're great, try them out
@@joemiller361 Cheers Joe - I will !
Edit: - Checked them out - you weren't wrong mate, they're awesome.
@@christianmorson3945 you're welcome! They're even better live
Rylanor comes back from the grave just to bitch slap Fulgrim with "YOU DID WEIRD STUFF TO US!" and Virus bomb him again.
the music in the background makes it feel like you're just casually sipping burbon and smoking a cigar while talking about the white scars to a rich dude.
I don’t think Jaghatai pretends to be a savage or a barbarian to help hide his true intentions & nature.
I think Jaghatai Khan does not do this. I think he is just forthcoming about who and what he is and people assume he is a barbarian. It would be an easy assumption to make about him and his warriors. A heavy, foreign accent. Imperfect spoken gothic. The animal skin and fur clothings. The heavy scars across the face and body which betrays a life of struggle in untamed lands rife with danger. The necklaces made of bones. Displays of skulls on their armour. And so on. They make no illusions about what they are.
If the Space Wolves are barbarians, which they are, then the White Scars would be what you might consider civilized barbarians.
This is a very well thought out take, I actually appreciate this perspective?
It does make sense for them to be the more civilized versions as their upbringing seemed to have a lot of similarities
The White Scars are space Mongols. And I love them for it.
Jaghatai and the Scars are a lot like the Leagues of Votann in that they are perfectly happy with letting people be wrong about them. Why stop your enemy from making a fatal mistake?
They may not put up a facade around being barbarian, but they love being seen as barbarians. Because that is a tactically superior position. an enemy would expect a blind charge, only for their commander to be assasinated, their supply lines cut, and flanked from all sides. and the last words they hear is a "barbarian" quoting the 40k equivalent of shakespear in broken english.
in fact.... the Khan was super annoyed by this prejutice and sterotype, he made his astertes gone study philosophy, art, poetry and a whole lot of other things, so white scars marines are said to be in reality among some of the most educated astrties
Dude really is the king of burns in the 40k universe. Khan just straight up smokes Mortarian's ass. ‘I should have taken on the Legion Master. I should have fought Typhon.’
Then later, "'I… absorbed,' Jaghatai rasped, 'the… pain.'
Mortarion halted. 'What do you mean?'
'I… know,' Jaghatai said, his voice a liquid slur. 'The Terminus Est. You… gave up. I… did not.' And then he grinned - his split lips, his flayed cheeks, his lone seeing eye, twisting into genuine, spiteful pleasure. 'My endurance is… superior.'
Khan rules so hard.
Khan is the biggest Gigachad in all of 40k. His burns are top tier.
calling fullgrim the pink twink was the best thing I have heard all day
Their chill factor, to me, was what made me decide to chose them as my army rather than the Space Wolves. Chris Wraight did a phenomenal job fleshing out their lore in Scars.
Also, painting white is a pain but super rewarding. I’m currently working on my outriders. I’m using Gryph Charger grey for a more cool white scheme vs. warm/eggshell white.
I love Dorn, Sigismund, The Fists, and the Black Templars, but I have a cat named Jaghatai. The Khan is by far the most well-adjusted Primarch, and the only one you could chill with. The White Scars lose so much in the transition to 40k. Chris Wraight comes out of nowhere and dares you not to fall in love with the space mongolians during the heresy. Their dedicated novel arc is short, but one of the best. I dare you not to cry at the climax of Path to Heaven when the Khan makes his big speech. They're also incredibly cooler in 30k when the Imperium wasn't busted broke and all of them rode jetbikes. wheels are for losers. Their cavalry charge in Saturnine is dope. The whole idea of turning fighting into an artform and therefore a source of joy such that the ideal white scar laughs as he sheds the blood of his enemy - that idea is one of the coolest in this whole setting thing. The khan is also the only primarch who can pull-off looking badass without his powerpack/power armor.
Should the Khan be reintroduce by blitzing out of the Webway racing Dark Eldar and Speed Freak Orkz?
That would be so cool.
like imagine if a portal opens up, all the Dark Angels are hype as all hell to see their gene daddy come out.
Cut to their looks of utter depression as they hear the revving of a motorcycle blaring.
My favourite Loyalist Primarch. Pragmatic, Sensible, & Entirely Capable
I knew very little about the White Scars, this turned out quite more wholesome than expected :)
White Scars were my fav right out the gate getting into 40k because SPEED. But after getting into the lore I was very happy to find out my intuition was right, and they're the best legion along side the Salamanders
2:09 You could say Jaghatai is... brutal but kunnin'?
2:20 Arthur: “painting white sucks”
Me with with my custom legion that has a primarily white colour scheme: *insert Chad meme*
Jaghatai khan: live, love, laugh(killing)
Hi Arthur. I dig your casual style. Keep the videos coming
White Scars and Salamanders are (probably?) the most wholesome legions, and I will fight anyone on that hill
I agree. Also Blood Angels even though they sick lol
@@G8oo8N8 all of my agreement! No, seriously, Blood Angels are another one of my favorite legions. Their gimmick with "blood" everything is kinda lame, sure, but, first of all, we all remember Sanguinius' sacrifice and feat of arms, and then, their affliction(s) gives them that tragic tinge that also makes them more human, so to speak.
I wholeheartedly approve.
@@nekoill I'll take the blood gimmick over the Dog-Fuckers infuriatingly excessive use of the word 'Wolf.'
First time learning more about white scars. They are dope and so is the khan. Learned a little more about him and had to look up stuff on the white scars.
Definitely one of the armies I would be involved with in 40k. If I ever got super into it as far as to pick up the table top games. What's more terrifying than the sound of Jolly cooperation before death? Love him because it's REALLY obvious who he wouldn't have gone to if traitor. But he's the complete opposite of Korne(y) ways.
It’s funny how The Lion sort of fails in keeping his planet’s culture in the Legion and kissed off many and partially led to Luther’s rebellion
The WS absolutely carried the Loyalists during the HH in the way that the IW carried the Traitors. They were the only full strength legion to stand against the Traitors, they did it for the entire 9 years of the HH, and they managed to get to Terra on time for the Siege.
Anyone think there is something about the Khan being forgotten/disregarded as one of his features? Even the lore around him is vague and ignored. In the heresy he was barely even considered by the traitors or loyalists and it wasn't until Rus was desperate that he even remembered Khan existed.
Bruh I’ve been waiting for this episode since the series started. White Scars are my absolute favorite 40K faction. Good shit bruv
Realistically speaking, The White Scars would probably be the best Space Marines Chapter/alegion to join. Almost all of the others would turn you into a servitor if you failed but it at least seems like The White Scars don't do that. Not to mention that they are probably some of the most, if not the most, respectful of all the Space Marines. Salamanders are a close second.
one thing in the lore is that Jagatai Khan was extremely annoyed that most other primarch viewed him and his astertes to be barbaric brute and stuff, so in the intiation and training of white scar he also put an heavy enphisis on education of traditions, philocophy and art (for example White Scar astartes have to know colligraphy, poetry, and philosophy and other form of art, and humanism studies), that his marines got to have hobbies that builts charecter when they do not fight or do training drills
White Scars: Mongolian space marines who like to go fast, case closed.
The first army I played and the only Space Marines I don't find atrociously boring. The fact that I was pissing off Ravenwing players back in 3rd didn't hurt either.
The Jag...doesn't give up...can't kill the MoFo...doesn't need to be a perpetual...you can't keep him down. 'That's all you got Morty?'
I know the white scars aren't usually a super popular Legion, but dude as a fan of the books first, the white scars are badass! They are among my top 4or 5 favorite legions. The way they do things is cool as hell, they are the only Legion who focused on being unnaturally fast, and their librarians brand of magic is literally storm magic. Not to mention the white armor is pretty slick too. I like jaghatai quite a lot too as he's a unique primarch. I like in their first horus heresy book they're talking about which primarch would beat the other in a duel and he basically tells em he'd whip their asses because they don't know anything about him, but they're all so loud about their achievements that he knows EVERYTHING about them. Especially fulgrim, who I once again, hate. He's the first person that I see calling fulgrim a peacock to his face. Jaghatai is the most underrated primarch of them all. Also yesugei, their main librarian, was just cool as hell. I mean they laugh while killing their foes. That's just badass.
Also he is one of the few primarchs that will value the opinions and guidance from a mortal human being. They brought in a woman from the administratum to help them improve logistics in the Legion and she became one of his chief advisors. Similar to how guilliman had euton as a mother, jaghatai had this woman whose name escapes me. She wasn't there as long as euton so she wasn't a mother figure but he held her wisdom as near equal to his astartes advisors. That's just not super common
The woman the white scars call her Zhu, that's not her real name however.
@karambiatos that's right, they call her zhu. She all but saved the legion when jaghatai was on Prospero. Takes a lot of guts to walk into a massive astartes on astartes battle. She was a pretty cool character and the dialog between her and jaghatai, yesugei, and shiban was pretty incredible to read. They are very closed off from outsiders and she managed to break thru that. This Legion just has a very unique culture and way of living that I really like. And they are so under rated in how dangerous they are
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 I like the white scars the most or at least i feel they are written the best, like real humans that have some depth to them, a lot of other space marine stuff is all written dead pan robots stupid ones at that.
@karambiatos I mean I love a lot of space marines and they have a ton of good characters with a lot of depth. But I can understand saying that about minor barely named ones. There are Def some that are just "generic soldier" but I think that's because that's technically the role they are playing. But I agree with you that I don't think I can think of a single white scar that gave me that impression. They all did feel like unique characters with depth that separates them from everyone else. I like the salamanders in a similar way. They're both kind of the opposite of say the imperial fists or the ultramarines. Don't get me wrong some of my favorite characters come from those 2 legions, but they both certainly embody the typical soldier persona sometimes. They also give us guys like Thiel, pollux, and sigismond tho. Who are all fascinating.
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 I have the most issue with ultramarines especially some of their books are an absolute slog to get through even an audio book because there's 0 interesting character development, and white scars for example force writers to inject more emotions because they have to make them laugh when fighting.
Of course there are some amazing ultra marines books, but there are some that are just snoresville mostly the ones that are just battle, battle, battle.
3:29 he does not pretend. He simply don't give a fuck.
Also I don’t remember which story it is, but in the “Endless War” audio collection; there is a story of one of the Khans dueling with a Blood Angel or Soace Wolf Captain that has their weapon chained to their gauntlet.
The Khan is wielding a Guandao, the other Captain a sword.
Their dueling to reenact a tradition from when their respective Primarchs were bitching over which one of them got the final honor kill in some old campaign.
Anyway, it’s a really cool story and both the Captains have good perspectives as to why the sword should or should NOT e chained to his gauntlet.
Awesome video 🫡
Ok so it was Kharn VS The Flesh Tearer. Disregard me thinking it was a White Scar.
Jagathai I think is the dark horse of the primarchs. He pretty much came from no lore to being a total badass by the end of the Horus Heresy and the more I read about him the better it becomes. I really do hope he comes back to spank Morty again.
Love these video’s man, keep it up. Though I’m wondering, any plans for xeno based videos anytime soon or are you focusing exclusively on mankind for the moment?
Funny you should say that, I have a xenos video coming out this friday lol
@@TheBoneZone40kthose poor horses
Loving your videos man. Came across your channel a few days ago and was surprised to see you only started uploading a month ago, your quality makes it out like you've been doing it for a while. Keep it up, you're doing great!
This was awesome. Do the worldeaters next.
Just started getting into 40k lore, and from everything I've read, Jaghatai is the only Primarch I'd gladly ride into battle with.
"I know literally nothing about the Alpha Legion."
That is kinda the point.
i watched most of your videos, such an amazing channel, keep up the great work man!
All I expect when he covers the alpha legion is a quick 10 second video explaining that he is the true Alpharius
“I heard you do strange things to your warriors.” OK THEN! GOOD EMPEROR THAT WAS DEVASTATING! I know Fulgrim was crying after that.
iirc it's that the remembrancer could not pin down his nature and jims space is like that's his nature - he's such a free spirit he is completely unpredictable.
Definitely the chapter i would play if i would take up the tabletop game. I'll stick to the lore only for now. Love the video!
”who are the white scars?”
*mongolian throat singing starts*
_"Gotta Go Fast"_ - The White Sanics.
The avenging bean counter
White Scars and the Salamanders are my favorite loyalists.
its my boy!!!! got to love the most under rated legion, love seeing how there is a lot of love for the white scars in the comments.
Ironically the legion known for being completely out of the way happened to be the first I studied about, if just for seeing cool motorbikes and thinking “might be cool”. As a Fallout fan the reference to real world Great Khans was not lost on me, and Jaghatai was the guy that really made the Horus Heresy click for me and turn history into storytelling. He was basically a sidequest alongside the major events of the conflict, his relative neutrality serving as a case study for the Imperium’s philosophy.
Also his rivalry with Mortarion is raw as fuck, that decimation of Fulgrim’s masculinity was only 2nd place.
These guys are so cool they almost make me want to get space marines
Salamanders next please!
Soon!
I'm covering all the legions in order
I need time to research after all
@@TheBoneZone40k Awesome can't wait!
Stoop'd 'umies paintin their fast gits wite and red! Evena lowly grot'd tell ya, red and wite's much fasta!
The one dislike is from a Death Guard player
My dream warhammer cosplay
Who functions as a subject, while whom functions as an object. Use who when the word is performing the action. Use whom when it is receiving the action.
-Kim is an athlete WHO enjoys distance running.
-Asher wrote a letter to a pen pal WHOM he had never met.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Almost no one knows about the White Scars. But those who know them, like them.
The fact that most of the imperium doesn't know much about Khan and his legion is their gimmick. Low key sleeper slayers.
Now all I want is to listen to 4+hrs of "Everywhere at the End of Time."
Apparently according to some old lore the word for someone from Chogoris is "Chogorissian" rather than "Chogorian"
Not sure why but there you go
I just
I hate this
This sounds like some expensive form of car
@@TheBoneZone40k It sounds like either the name of some obscure Finnish politician or something a geometry teacher asks you to find in a triangle
He's the thinking Primarch. When the Heresy happened, he didn't know the situation, so he checked. Went to Prospero and cased the situation.
Also part of his legion went traitor and tried to take the rest of the legion with them while he was away, trying to force their primarch to turn traitor by turning his legion. Didn't work out for them...
I know the least about this Legion, except that that like speedy bikes and being free.
Me listening to an audio drama by the amber king: oh my god he’s so goddamn cool
Old vid and not important, but I love talking about the Alpha Legion. Theu *do* fight like space marines, and very well. They just spend several years before the fight laying the groundwork in secret.
The wisest Primarch & he's a top tier fighter also. Honestly I'd put him just below The Lion and above Fulgrim with fighting abilities, whilst having the brains above Dorn and just below Guilliman. Overall he is my Top 3 best loyal Primarchs list. Only below Sangy and Guilliman when it comes to what Primarchs are best for the Imperium overall.
He rides out in the Siege of Terra to save civilians when told he'll probably die.
Also he has the best verbal burn in 40k history.
Fulgrim "I hear you do strange things to your ships"?
Khan "I hear you do strange things to your warriors"? 🔥🤣
And yes, I think the Khan would decimate Fulgrim in a 1 on 1. His speed is insane. He turns into a blur of blades when fighting some hefty Orks & the Orks try to flee because they are getting decimated by him that fighting no longer becomes pleasurable from an Ork point of view...imagine...
White paint scheme “laughs in airbrush “
Never heard of them but they seem quite cool and chill. (Maybe that is the issue as well)
Space Dothraki. I'm down.
He so dope. He beat Daemon Primarch Mortarion in 1 v1 through pure grit and skill. Then he dropped to near death afterwards.
Hey man I love your videos but could you please consider changing the background music to something less dreary. It's a bit disconcerting imo
Hope you get to the iron hands someday love the 10th
I plan to get to all of them at some point!
If I didn't hate painting white I would have collected an army of them rather than the chapter I did collect (the Carcharodons)
actually since we have all these cool contrast paints that make the job easier I really consider painting a white scars boarding patrol, although I always wasn't the fan of painting white color
When nightlords?
Soon
They are my favourite legion afterall
Is the Khan still staying faded in the warp?
No, he is stuck in the webway. Possibly chilling with the Laughing God in the Black Library, or Fighting the Drukari in Commoragh.
The most Slept on loyalist Primarch…
@@brianpj5860 I’m just about to start “Fallen Angels” I’m looking forward to the books that focus more on the Primarchs.
I did actually like “Fulgrim”
@@vicstanfieldshire7754 the primarch books are good depending on how you look at them.
The best ones are.
konrads book
the khans book
mortys book
pertys book
I am alpherius book
lorgars book
fulgrims book.
The others it depends but yeah the books I mentioned kinda puts a better prospective on primarchs.
The khans book actually made me really like the khan and the white scars on the loyalist side.
@@ludovicusbathory1715 AWESOME! Thanks, yea a few short stories about Kurze were really really good, jettisoned all them bodies on the city was freaking dope.
In Legion you got a little glimpse into Alpha Legion; for some reason I think I really like the XX Legion. Plus being introduced to John Gramaticus was really cool.
I feel that I’m gone end up siding with one of the Loyalist Chapters though. I like the Knights Errant, Garviel Loken, Garro, Tarvitz and Torgaddon have been my favorite characters so far.
I really liked Horus Rising and Galaxy in Flames. I think I’ve listened to each of those like 8-9 times.
Horus at the Delphos, the Mourneval, the Remembrancers, it’s all SOOOOOO good.
I also really wanted to see Henry Cavill play Loken / Cerberus , i feel like Loken is one of the most important characters of the Heresy and you see so much of the story from his perspective.
These guys went from bland nothings to one of the best Legions thanks to Vheis Wrights books.
One thing to note is that Jaghatai was an intentional perpetual outsider, never wanting to settle and not much of a joiner.
His Legiom was similar. They never hid anything, they were simply always om the periphery, doing their own thing.
These guys were as cultured as the Blood Angels, Thoudand Sons, or Emperor's Children, pursuing poetry, art, brewing and vinting in addition to warmaking.
They low key resented being compared to savage blowhards like the Space Wolves, but never really took pains to correct the mistaken views of others, figuring that was the other folks problem.
They also really really don't want to end up in a Dreadnought. To not feel the wind speeding by is a awful fate in their eyes.
Dream Primarch blunt circle.
1. Jaghatai
2. Vulkan
3 Corvus
4.Magnus
The Khan is easily one or my favorite primarchs, right after Vulkan and Russ
The funniest thing about the Khan is how he wasn't supposed to land on 1 of 2 known planets in the galaxy with Asians.
Isn’t Doomrider’s head on the wall in their fortress monastery? It’s, like, taxidermied on a mount and just screams about cocaine all day? Could be wrong, but I hope I’m right.
I once heard someone pronounce his name as _'Juh-Gotti'_ and now I unironically can't stop saying it that way too ^^
You're gonna have a very interesting time learning about the alpha legion when you get to them lol
may be a few weeks off lol
Considering they are the last chapter, but I feel I am going to learn a lot, then the final sentence of the book says "or that could all just be a lie/psyopp we want you to believe"
The Khan is unknowable... like the wind
Jaghatai might seem like a bro, but he got in trouble with HR for some intolerant remarks he made about Fulgrim
It’s so weird but there’s so many similarities between what happened to Chingis Khan
It's not weird, the white scars are literally space Mongolians
I love the white scars and totally wanted to play them the first time I saw them but like you sed the white is hard as shit to work with so I picked the dark hunters stealthy white scars who hate orcs but paint their armour a dark shadowy blue.
Whelp im off to go find out what he said to Fulcrum lol