Who and What are the Leagues of Votann?

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  • @teddyspaghetti2858
    @teddyspaghetti2858 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +223

    Don't forget that the Kin treat the Iron-Kin as full citizens. They're treated as full equals which is just so wholesome, especially for this setting.

    • @rainman2222
      @rainman2222 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I could’ve sworn I read some lore about tau doing the same thing with their drones

  • @jonahbrenner5597
    @jonahbrenner5597 ปีที่แล้ว +313

    I love how they see the tyranids as a mighty predator no to be underestimated calling back to the original squats

    • @jonahbrenner5597
      @jonahbrenner5597 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Also I hope they games workshop takes a little from warhammer fantasy with dwarf grudges and slayers

    • @TheBoneZone40k
      @TheBoneZone40k  ปีที่แล้ว +80

      yeyeye
      but they also hunt down lesser hive fleets to steal their resources!
      Which I think is cool

    • @wedoalittleeco-trolling9126
      @wedoalittleeco-trolling9126 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jonahbrenner5597 yes they actually have that

  • @scarletfatefan8793
    @scarletfatefan8793 ปีที่แล้ว +879

    I know a lot of people think the votann don’t fit in this setting, but I really like factions that aren’t fully batshit like the imperium, as it shows just how awful the imperium is by comparison- they are also a unique faction that actually act like Vikings in space(unlike a certain space marine chapter)

    • @TheBoneZone40k
      @TheBoneZone40k  ปีที่แล้ว +196

      I resonate with this idea
      yeah!
      I think that the community around them is correct, that it's not exactly grimdark, but the way their society is formatted is like pre-grimdark
      meaning it's about to get bad fast
      and yes, I too resent the Space Wolves

    • @monferno1
      @monferno1 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Idk they just don’t have enough lore yet for me to make a decision, it is interesting though

    • @TheBoneZone40k
      @TheBoneZone40k  ปีที่แล้ว +65

      you are so valid for that
      They are the least fleshed out faction in a universe who's known for having heavily defined factions
      so it's a common opinion

    • @haldor1803
      @haldor1803 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I mean
      It's pretty much the tau Treatment when they released

    • @Nostroman_Praetor
      @Nostroman_Praetor ปีที่แล้ว +30

      People are saying that?
      They're like the 80s high Sci-fi that 40k is missing wrapped up in funny dwarf people.
      Side note: I miss the tank train...

  • @Streygenmoment
    @Streygenmoment ปีที่แล้ว +467

    The Leagues of Votann are the epitome of Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss when dealing with the Imperium

    • @misterliligant5772
      @misterliligant5772 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      Honestly can't blame them with the shit the imperium does.

    • @patchythepirate-je4fe
      @patchythepirate-je4fe ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In necromunda the squats are in an on off relationship with imperials they are paid and praised for a while for leading expeditions to rebuild the hive or retrieve tech then a generation of humans passes and the new nobles hate them for being abhuman scum lmao.

    • @joriankell1983
      @joriankell1983 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Girlboss?

    • @wellsb973
      @wellsb973 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Perfect fan insert faction

    • @whatisupmyfellowamericans8808
      @whatisupmyfellowamericans8808 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well no, but actually yes?

  • @cousin_okri
    @cousin_okri ปีที่แล้ว +332

    I honestly like the idea that they are actual xenos and they told the imperium they are ab-humans to trade with them. It would play into them constantly lying to protect themselves and their tech

    • @SkeleGem
      @SkeleGem ปีที่แล้ว +50

      They try to be on decent terms with everyone and therefore also have to lie to everyone about just how good they actually are, I just love that

    • @guardsmangaming3775
      @guardsmangaming3775 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      The squats 2.0 are humans that dug too deep into genetic engineering so much that they became something else entirely.

    • @bad-people6510
      @bad-people6510 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I actually think that's a terrible idea. The Imperium's xenophobia tends to be a *little* overplayed. They tolerate and even associate with xenos that they find non-threatening. But if they find you qualify as human... well welcome to the Imperium Imperial subject, your ass is property of the Emperor now. No human is allowed to NOT be part of the Imperium as far as they're concerned.

    • @cousin_okri
      @cousin_okri ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @bad-people6510 the kyn are still abhuman though, at least as far as i know. Admittedly I think they should be full fledged xenos, GW just has danced around the topic in the little lore they've put out. This could be a way the retcon it

    • @simtexa
      @simtexa 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I'm pretty sure LoV actually consider themselves the "real" humans, as they are in some sense the continuation of humanity during the Age of Tech, and thus the true descendants of that society.

  • @TacticalReaper56
    @TacticalReaper56 ปีที่แล้ว +132

    I am a huge fan of Deep Rock Galactic and they would be my first faction to get. If you enjoy talking about their lore please. I'll watch it all day and show it around the discord. If you've never played it, you are missing out as a Space Dwarf lover friend.

    • @TheBoneZone40k
      @TheBoneZone40k  ปีที่แล้ว +37

      ooooh trust me, I play Deep Rock with the boys now and then

    • @26th_Primarch
      @26th_Primarch ปีที่แล้ว +16

      ROCK AND STONE!

    • @ghostplays2766
      @ghostplays2766 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      FOR KARL!

    • @ZombieJeff
      @ZombieJeff ปีที่แล้ว +5

      When you rock and stone, you're never alone!

    • @davidjb20010
      @davidjb20010 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ROCK AND ROLL AND STONE!!!

  • @SourTredmill
    @SourTredmill ปีที่แล้ว +321

    I like how some people are calling them not “grimmdark” and “don’t fit into 40k” all because they’re not suffering from immediate space aids or constantly killing each or some other stupid shit like that.

    • @Va11idus
      @Va11idus ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Are you suggesting they are grimdark?

    • @SourTredmill
      @SourTredmill ปีที่แล้ว +84

      @@Va11idus There not goody two shoes. But they dont turn people into mindless cybernetic drones for thinking too much.

    • @tfan2222
      @tfan2222 ปีที่แล้ว +94

      @@Va11idus There’s grimdark and there’s grimderp. Even so, I’ve held this opinion even with the Tau for a long while: grimdark isn’t effective if there’s no noblebright shining through. With no light in the darkness, you can’t really see just how bad it all is.

    • @陳怡秀-r7y
      @陳怡秀-r7y ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@tfan2222 exactly, their needs to be some good guys. At least some individuals.

    • @darthlazurus4382
      @darthlazurus4382 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I mean, they could easily go Grimdark. How do you think they'd react tae someone learning at least one of their secrets?

  • @Sebuin
    @Sebuin ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I started with Rogue Trader in the 80s playing Squats. When they dropped them I was done with 40K as they were always my favorite faction. I don't think I'll get back into playing but it's nice to see folks interested in them again. I always played dwarves in about any game I played. I was crushed when they just disappeared from one of my favorite games. I was like 14. It didn't hurt that my uncle was a biker and I always wanted to be one so the fusion was perfect for me. I'm too old to want to start back up that was 36 years ago. Back of the game shop in the bottom of the mall. Free refills at the Burger King. Pizza by the slice (not something common in Indiana) from the food court. One of my golden memories.

  • @theodorehodbor5080
    @theodorehodbor5080 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    On the note of their reproduction I'm like 90% sure the kin can still reproduce normally because the squats on Necromunda have to since they're effectively stranded. The reason they don't is mainly because it's horribly inefficient compared to just cloning, it takes a female kin out of commission for like about a year, said baby kin will take years to grow up into a functional citizen, and said kin won't have any niche to fill nor specific enhancements to make them better at it and in effect render them a literal useless bum.
    I'm not sure if it's official canon but I have heard of things called fleshkin which are said natural-born kin and they're like the only thing looked down upon in society since they're "born without purpose."

    • @Machosause
      @Machosause 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Makes me think that some might go to chaos. Some who have their STCs shut down might turn to nurgle for eternal life, and those fleshkin might gain a growing resentment that leads to Khorne. Perhaps they would want to prove themselves and seek knowledge, turing them to Tzeench

  • @RelativelyBest
    @RelativelyBest ปีที่แล้ว +13

    You had me at "plasma swords and power armor comparable to terminators."

  • @jocosesonata
    @jocosesonata ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Ahem.
    Gentlemen...
    *_ROCK & STONE!!!_*

    • @C-J581
      @C-J581 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      TO THE BONE!

    • @WarioTime420
      @WarioTime420 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE!?

    • @Dogmelter42
      @Dogmelter42 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      FOR KARL!

    • @ori7647
      @ori7647 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ROCK AND STONE, YEAAAAH!!!

    • @jordenellis5085
      @jordenellis5085 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ROCK AND STONE BROTHA!!!

  • @Chromedskulls
    @Chromedskulls ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Could you imagine the hight difference between a Kin and a space marine. Also I love how advanced there armor looks.

    • @cxptainfordo275
      @cxptainfordo275 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Space marine just soccer kicks them across the battlefield 🤣🤣🤣

    • @陳怡秀-r7y
      @陳怡秀-r7y ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@cxptainfordo275 *gets foot obliterated by DaoT hammer*
      *little man teleports away yelling obscenities*

    • @simtexa
      @simtexa 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@cxptainfordo275 The funny part is that given how hardy they are, that would probably not kill them either

    • @cxptainfordo275
      @cxptainfordo275 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@simtexa hahaha just a little bit pissrd off

    • @Swolecoffee
      @Swolecoffee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      5'11 vd 6'0

  • @GeorgePtacek
    @GeorgePtacek ปีที่แล้ว +9

    As a fellow dwarf connoisseur, I too bought the Votann on day one and intended too as soon as that trailer dropped.

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    ROCK AND STONE!

  • @DeceiverIX
    @DeceiverIX ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I'm like a Tyranid for lore... I must consume ALLL!!! Thank you for what you do, grats on the channel growth!

  • @KeenMean0079
    @KeenMean0079 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Rock and stone

    • @TheBoneZone40k
      @TheBoneZone40k  ปีที่แล้ว +20

      The fact I was playing Deep Rock a lot when they were announced may have had an influence on my desire to start collecting

    • @matthewbraun9885
      @matthewbraun9885 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Rock and stone

    • @anthonymoreno-eq6ui
      @anthonymoreno-eq6ui 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did I hear a rock and stone!?

  • @Dingghis_Khaan
    @Dingghis_Khaan ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Not all is lost, however. The Votann of the Kronus Hegemony is quite young in relation to the others.
    The Votann of the Hegemony is actually their Fane that became so advanced that it gained the capacity to become a Votann, so it's proven - at least by fluke - that new Votann can be made. The big tradeoff, however, is that young Ancestor Cores lack the information of the older ones. This is why the Kronus Hegemony is so aggressive even towards other Kin, because they are bound and determined to fill their Votann's memory banks.
    On the topic of Kin procreation: as far as I know, the Kin _can_ procreate naturally, but generally choose not to due to the cloneskeins being a more predictable method of mixing and matching genes than bumping uglies.
    Kindreds that have lost their Ancestor Core may resort to doing things the old fashioned way if they can't join up with another Kindred in a reasonable amount of time.

    • @OHGAS-rt5uc
      @OHGAS-rt5uc ปีที่แล้ว +15

      "Hey, other voltann, make us a copy of your drive"
      "Beep boop, done"
      "Yay"

    • @陳怡秀-r7y
      @陳怡秀-r7y ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Which is that tiny piece of lore that says “don’t worry they won’t eventually die out naturally” as they can very slowly maintain themselves. The kin can build and operate their tech, so eventually new Votann will be able to do it as effectively as the old ones. Just unlucky it seems to be a 10000 year process of trial and error.

    • @OHGAS-rt5uc
      @OHGAS-rt5uc ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@陳怡秀-r7y tbh i'm thinking why the votann doesn't make other STCs and deposit half their info into the new ones, thus freeing some space while also maintaining the STcs efficiency?

    • @陳怡秀-r7y
      @陳怡秀-r7y ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@OHGAS-rt5uc Maybe they don’t have typical data banks for storage and can’t actually delete or move data. Considering they’ve been uploading their dead’s knowledge into them for 10000 years, they probably assumed it was infinite and never sore the need to prepare new ones. They’re only now just starting too.

    • @OHGAS-rt5uc
      @OHGAS-rt5uc ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@陳怡秀-r7y but at the same time i makes me wonder, can't they ask the machines to expand their data storage,hard drive,processors,etc?

  • @0g0mogosepikworld31
    @0g0mogosepikworld31 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    I really like these "good guy" factions because if done properly you can slowly and gradually build up the lore to show how they slowly became worse in a galaxy full of horrors
    imperium in 40K is a worse off version of the imperium in 30K which is in turn a worse version of humanity before the age of strife. and even though things like the horus heresy are being written retroactively I think it would be cooler to see these factions go through their life cycle in real time
    either that or games workshop just blows it up on their face

    • @lucidlullaby894
      @lucidlullaby894 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s fun watching Commander Farsight, one of the few people in the setting with a working brain and morales, slowly struggle with khornate corruption

    • @ENCHANTMEN_
      @ENCHANTMEN_ ปีที่แล้ว +13

      The Tau sorta are. They were never "good" to begin with, but their recent lore has them becoming less principled and more xenophobic

    • @an-average-box
      @an-average-box 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ENCHANTMEN_tbf to the tau, have you seen the things in the milky way?
      Fucking tyranids alone would make me xenophobic enough to burn it down

    • @shadowrobot7708
      @shadowrobot7708 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ENCHANTMEN_ Yeah unfortunately it was done rather poorly and instead of them becoming more and more evil they kinda just wrote them to be evil all along. Stupid Phil Kelly. Also I think having them be good but are always on the backfoot makes the setting feel more grimdark and interesting. Kinda like how the Lamenters are always having a bad time.

  • @barthalen
    @barthalen ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I just discovered this faction’s existence yesterday, and as a Dwarf lover can only agree that these guys rule. Looking forward to more videos on them!

  • @ZombieJeff
    @ZombieJeff ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Leagues are what finally got me to bite the bullet and get into 40k proper. I adore how much of their aesthetic and lore really does boil down to "man living in space is frickin' hard", they feel more sci-fi then a lot of the other factions IMO

  • @Chadicus-Guardsmanicus
    @Chadicus-Guardsmanicus ปีที่แล้ว +22

    If they were discovered during the great crusade I could see the Emperor trying for a genuine alliance with them, since he knows what they are. The ancestor cores and men of iron might be a sore spot, but I think he'd make special exceptions just like he did for the mechanicum. That technology is too good to pass up

    • @miles2378
      @miles2378 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Horuse would just mess it up to bribe the Future Dark mechanicus.

    • @Chadicus-Guardsmanicus
      @Chadicus-Guardsmanicus ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@miles2378 I don't think the emperor would delegate an alliance like this to a primarch. He would most likely keep the votann hidden until absolutely necessary. And seeing how they only recently started appearing in the galaxy it wouldn't be hard.
      Plus even if the mechanicum got uppity about it the emperor did have a contingency plan to subjugate them.

  • @waddledee6729
    @waddledee6729 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    TL:DR, "I am a dwarf and I'm digging a hole, diggy diggy hole, diggy diggy hole"

  • @DDeusExMachina
    @DDeusExMachina 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    A lot of 40k Doomers are calling the LoV not Grimdark enough but if you think about it, they could just be leading up to the Grimdark stuff.
    The Leagues of Votann represents Hope, and nothing is more Grimdark than seeing a small glimmer of hope before it is ripped away and stomped out by the evils of the Galaxy.

    • @augustuslunasol10thapostle
      @augustuslunasol10thapostle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      so what we introduce new factions every few years to give hope? dont think so i think keeping the LoV a bright spot thats way to slow is grim enough

    • @DDeusExMachina
      @DDeusExMachina 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@augustuslunasol10thapostle True, but I liken it to the Tau. The Tau were the “good guys” and had a ray of hope, but then the Ethereals made them Grim Dark again.

  • @mcchicken1849
    @mcchicken1849 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    To my knowledge they were always clones. During the golden age of mankind, they were what are known as the men of stone. Genetically engineered humans made to pioneer (being rather self sufficient) and exploit the mineral riches of wherever they were sent off to. Hence why they have (albeit rather ancient and barely usable) STC's as did every other group of colonists/pioneers during those times. It also explains why they have such advanced technology, including the Iron Kin.

  • @MadHax-wt5tl
    @MadHax-wt5tl ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got into this hobby in 1990, just as the Squats were being properly phased out.
    So I was chuffed when they made their comeback, and even though I don't intend on starting a Votann League of my own, I still had to get the combat patrol just to celebrate their return.
    And this morning is the day I finally painted the last member of that box set, so I enjoyed this video. Cheers!😸

  • @Scufflegrit
    @Scufflegrit 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    They were a clone race from the beginning-corresponding to the men of stone in ancient imperial lore.
    Guilds are separate from leagues and kinhosts, similar to klans with the orks.
    The Votann were more than STC’s. The problem now is their CPU usage is maxed out and the kin don’t know how to reboot to free up RAM, much less format and partition.
    The imperium thought the squats were all destroyed by the Tyrannids because they had no idea how vast the Leagues’ holdings actually were. One League was destroyed, and they thought that was all of them.
    The Cicatrix Maledictum is forcing the kin to be less insular and secretive now, so… Now they’re back.
    Lore wise, it makes perfect sense.

  • @AEGISDEFENSE
    @AEGISDEFENSE ปีที่แล้ว +3

    All that matters is Dwarves in space. ROCK AND STONE BROTHERS!!!!

  • @Croatoam97
    @Croatoam97 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the span of few months you and "live! from the black library" have become of my lore channels. keep up the good work. (And you're right, night lords are the best legion and its not even close)

  • @epg-6
    @epg-6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The lore is pretty cool. Some people think they're too 'good guy' for the setting, but keep in mind that the Tau started that way too. Between the thinly veiled Men of Iron, senile AI cores, conflict with the Mechanicus, and entirely clone-based society, I think the Votann are set up perfectly to have some very grimdark character development as a faction.
    The only thing I'm not entirely sold on is the aesthetics. The art seems to depict them with completely normal human proportions (they aren't even very short), and their equipment has an almost completely generic sci-fi look to it, save for the occasional half-hearted dwarfy design thrown in here and there. Dwarfs in Warhammer fantasy are extremely distinctive and have a very strong visual identity - to the point where AoS dwarfs actually look more like space dwarves than the Votann.

    • @SCHMALLZZZ
      @SCHMALLZZZ ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The LoV are more LotR than Waryammer Fantasy, which it just a poor executed plagiarism of LotR in the first place.

    • @陳怡秀-r7y
      @陳怡秀-r7y ปีที่แล้ว

      Well real dwarf proportions wouldn’t be effective. These guys are just compact bulky boys. Bunch of 5ft islander weightlifters

    • @visitingforgefather5997
      @visitingforgefather5997 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly they are no more 'good guy' then the Craftworld Eldar are.
      They are willing to talk and trade with you if the benefit is in THEIR favor, if they determine you are a problem (or problem later down the line)and the manpower and resources expended in dealing with you outweigh later benefits they will do so without hesitation.
      They seem more like the cold impersonal 'corporate' kind of evil if that makes sense.
      Less the zealous 'BURN IN RIGHTOUS FIRE.' evil and more the 'You're nothing but a problem to be removed' evil.
      (God forbid when they got a Grudge with you though, THEN it is personal and they will extend whatever resources, manpower and do whatever it takes to get you..)

    • @zipperdan3969
      @zipperdan3969 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree with the first half but the second half just sounds like personal opinions

    • @zipperdan3969
      @zipperdan3969 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@SCHMALLZZZ how exactly?? They're closer to the grineer than warframr

  • @icenhorn4744
    @icenhorn4744 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Dwarves are awesome. i have always loved them, blame Tolkien for that. thanks for the awesome vid, im not as excited about the votan as you are but i am highly interested and want to get my hands on a box or two. as for your rambling, its fun. keep up the awesome content!

  • @bluebowser3347
    @bluebowser3347 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is my favourite video uploaded by you so far. You're talking about something I never knew about.

  • @NameName2.0
    @NameName2.0 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Sucks to suck i guess i love my lil stunties"
    Now, for the thirstiest "Yeaaahaha!" You'll ever hear.

  • @georgesulea
    @georgesulea ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love the Votann. And, if the Mechanicum ever tried to wage war with the Votann, the Votann would just toss a planet or a star at Mars...

  • @R3db34rd-13
    @R3db34rd-13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This guy is gonna be the next huge Warhammer TH-camr

  • @seangrey
    @seangrey 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    anyone else like the idea of them speaking Khazalid (dwarf language in fantasy)? I just have this image in my head of a kyn stepping on the chest of a downed Drukhari, pointing a bolter at him and proclaiming ''ELGI WAZZOK'' blasting him point plank.

  • @KiwiTheIguana
    @KiwiTheIguana ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A few days ago I got randomly recommended your video on space marine helmets of all things, and I'm starting to binge your videos. Immediately, you became one of my favorite smaller 40k lore channels!
    Even if you picked one of the WORST space marine chapters as one of your 3, but the other 2 are tight as hell so I can't whine too much, and even if the Minotaurs are enormous pricks their Vibe is pretty dope.

  • @d.staten1958
    @d.staten1958 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would love to see the interaction between an Iron Hands and their bitterness when they meet the LoV.

  • @twopotsonebrush661
    @twopotsonebrush661 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro just said the inverse of pugs. I'm dying right now. Amazing video and I'm glad I found you on suggestions.

  • @lordofgnomes1230
    @lordofgnomes1230 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the idea of the chill men of iron just hanging out with the vottan

  • @Drolgh101
    @Drolgh101 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Headcanon/Fun idea for future plot development:
    The Votann should be able to survive for billions of years, but the pressures and stresses of survival in the galactic core have taken a major toll. The high gravity and other stellar effects prematurely "ages" the machines. The Leagues could be strong and mighty and launch an Empire that lasts a billion years - but they must first leave the galactic core and invade the galaxy at large.

  • @shadowrobot7708
    @shadowrobot7708 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    7:25 IIRC it was a group of 3 people and they gave them each a planet the STC fragment was for space marine knives.

  • @TimeCircleBlue
    @TimeCircleBlue ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Yo Arthur did u see the theory that the Leagues are actually the Men of Stone?
    I really like that one cause it follows up on the vague ancient tales of ye Olde 40k backstory and give them a good better connection to why they have (suspiciously non-murderous) literal Men of Iron hanging out with them.
    Thoughts?

  • @leaflovingal1011
    @leaflovingal1011 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your bit towards the end about the nids characters reminded me that the nids technically have more named characters on tabletop than the mechanicus do, if you count the swarmlord as on. Also, love your content, don't stop anytime soon please.

    • @TheBoneZone40k
      @TheBoneZone40k  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah, I remembered a bit more recently too?
      I think if you count slightly older models, you have the Swarmlord, Deathleaper, old one eye, the Parasite of mortrex, and the Red Terror. Just to kinda name the ones that have had models

    • @leaflovingal1011
      @leaflovingal1011 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheBoneZone40k jeez, and we only got cawl on tabletop. Did the nids eat the other ad mech characters wtf?

    • @TheBoneZone40k
      @TheBoneZone40k  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, it's just that the mechanicum are such a niche faction that making characters is a bit tough me thinks.

  • @rampage75_25
    @rampage75_25 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Cold, the air and water flowing,
    Hard, the land we call our home,
    Push, to keep the dark from coming,
    Feel the weight of what we own!
    This, the songs of sons and daughters,
    Hide, the heart of who we are,
    Making peace to build our future,
    Strong united, working 'till we fall!
    AND WE ALL LIFT.
    AND WE'RE ALL ADRIFT TOGETHER!
    THROUGH THE COLD MIST!
    'TILL WERE LIVELESS TOGETHER, TOGETHER"

  • @JunoZXV
    @JunoZXV ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wait wait wait, you're telling me that out in the galactic core, there's a planet plucked clean of life with a fully intact STC, up for grabs, with no one around to guard it?
    And this thing used to make all the wacky weapons like Buildings with Tank Treads, Mining Conga line trains and Zeppelins!?
    And even though its "mad" it hasn't received/succumbed to senility because theres been no new input?
    Whelp, I'm going to be making a fraction of all Ironkin heavily targeted on countering hive fleet leviathan and orks.

  • @toasteddingus6925
    @toasteddingus6925 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I do like these guys. I think it's a good expansion to the lore. I would like to see some more stunties that live more like the dwarves but quite frankly I was hoping that eventually we would find a full fleshed out Space Dwarves faction who would actually fight the imperium but then come to a strange ceasefire with them even though they are Xenos. Perhaps some of the Astartes chapters like the Luna Wolves, Blood Angels, maybe the Ultramarines would be against them but other chapters would be working with them

    • @Dingghis_Khaan
      @Dingghis_Khaan ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You mean the Space Wolves? The Luna Wolves are now the Black Legion.

    • @Va11idus
      @Va11idus ปีที่แล้ว +7

      This is how out of touch I assume the average space dwarves fan to be: Thinking the Luna Wolves are a current space marine chapter.

    • @beowylfen
      @beowylfen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Va11idusyeah just keep drinking that Imperium propaganda and forget about the best chapter

    • @SCHMALLZZZ
      @SCHMALLZZZ ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@beowylfen Luna Wolves are still a legion dood

    • @NJKenn
      @NJKenn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ⁠@@SCHMALLZZZ They absolutely 100% are not. Even if you ignore they became the Sons of Horus the legion died on Maeleum when the 3rd completely wrecked them and stole Horus’s body. The black legion see themselves as entirely separate from the SoH something completely new especially since they comprise of marines from all the original traitor legions and even loyalist ones. The closest you’d get is the warband the True Sons and to say they are Luna Wolves is a huge stretch. As of right now in 30k the last Luna Wolf is Garviel Logan and he is most certainly dead in 40k.

  • @emgee2807
    @emgee2807 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really hope that they get a cool walker/mech unit, I think that'd be nifty as hell

  • @darioscomicschool1111
    @darioscomicschool1111 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:22 Thank you so much for this One!

  • @dreadedpixel9022
    @dreadedpixel9022 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really want to get REALLY into 40k with the Votann, they seem so tuckin cool

  • @lepershing1902
    @lepershing1902 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rock and stone!

  • @meganobgutzkraka2398
    @meganobgutzkraka2398 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know the squats are still a thing on like, hive worlds(necromunda even has them playable now), and the imperial guard(although VERY SMALL NUMBERS, like less than the cat people)...it's cool that The Votaan recognize The Squats and just see them as "Imperium aligned Votaan". I like that htey didn't just delete the squats because THAT MEANS...we can get some of their old toys back with the votaan.
    I love the battle bus, i fucking ADORE the battle bus....but i want that goddamn train..you know the one.
    (also i've been a greenskins fan since i was a kid, like the late 2000's because of Warhammer Online, but not even THE ORKS, AND ALL THEY'RE RECENT UPDATES...tempted me to actually by from GW....but the Votaan did....ohhhh and they were so close too if i had the money i WAS going to have a box of them even if still to this day i don't actually have anything to play the game physically...they were just that cool)

  • @JustAChemist-1
    @JustAChemist-1 ปีที่แล้ว

    A Raptor enjoyer I see.
    I inmediately subscribe

  • @AMSRocker
    @AMSRocker ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Funny as hell! Great job!

  • @chloepiou9645
    @chloepiou9645 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the awesome vid ! Pleeeease do some more about them when there is enough material for it ❤️

  • @37_newts_in_a_costume
    @37_newts_in_a_costume 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE, DIGGY DIGGY HOLE, DIGGING A HOLE

  • @growingayeard1061
    @growingayeard1061 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had a huge Epic-scale Squat army back in the 90s, so I am thrilled to see dwarves again. That said, I kind of miss the weird old 'dwarf biker' aesthetic...

  • @RatSkaven
    @RatSkaven 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YES!!! FINALLY!!! I FOUND A VID TALKING ABOUT MY SPACE DWARVES!!!

  • @redluke8119
    @redluke8119 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wait why don't people like the leagues of votann I love the addition and it also gives us insight into the peak of tech. It also explains the center of the galaxy and what goes bump in the black holes

  • @erikhammer9179
    @erikhammer9179 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I might be applying a little too much of my own head cannon here but; It's because they value individuality and freedom and living their lives to the fullest is why they are dying. I believe their role in DAoT was to be disposable clones and robots who would perform a task then get recycled into a new more suited clone for the next task. Their memories would be used to fuel the memory banks of their super AI, any irrelevant or duplicate data would be overwritten. A society of disposable clones taking directives from a super intelligence is effectively a tech based Tyranid.
    What makes it sad is that sometime in the last 10K years, they started to value individuality. (and I assume freedom) So now they are a hyper capitalist society that will not optimize the data storage of the Votann because that will mean they lose some of their ancestors. Making their entire civilization unsustainable. This is also quite Grimdark, as much as they look down upon the Mechanicum, they are currently on the same track unless they want to store their ancestors in a lossy compression format.

  • @Luckie_7
    @Luckie_7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the bit where when they interact with the imperium they turn a bunch of shit off and put away all their fun toys so the bad neighbor kid doesn’t steal their special nerf guns and break their grandpa’s wheelchair when he visits

  • @Edward_Tyche
    @Edward_Tyche ปีที่แล้ว

    We don't agree on the Thousand Sons, but that is nothing. I, too, love the Leagues most of all and this is (baring the future) my favorite video on them. Thank you for making it. Oh, and I love your other videos too.

  • @baileylarsen9439
    @baileylarsen9439 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    An imperium inspector, when they visite the space dwarfs: My My. You certainly have a lot of continently shaped lamps around here.

  • @GrayderFox
    @GrayderFox ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Okay, them japing the Mechanicum is really, really funny. X)

    • @TheBoneZone40k
      @TheBoneZone40k  ปีที่แล้ว

      It is so freaking funny, holy moly

  • @Syphaxis
    @Syphaxis ปีที่แล้ว

    Imperium: *sends request for tithe*
    Votann: *returns marked **_deceased_*

  • @jewwroast
    @jewwroast ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another tankard for my fellow dwarf lover

  • @saitama_9279
    @saitama_9279 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is my favorite faction. And the first time I’ve considered buying miniatures

  • @robingraves9517
    @robingraves9517 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im glad they brought back Squats. I had a few dozen back in the late Rogue Trader days.

  • @Galactus78
    @Galactus78 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Like the Votann, I too would be very weirded out by the Mechanicum

  • @TheRedMan77
    @TheRedMan77 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The engineer Kin being called 'Brokkir' makes a lot of sense considering Brokk/Brokkr was a Dwarf in Norse myth that made Thor's hammer alongside his brother Eitri/Sindri.

  • @kaeganlagerquist1694
    @kaeganlagerquist1694 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think as their tech begins to break down, it would be interesting if they revealed their tech to the mechanicum out of desperation, in hopes of the mechanicum helping them repair or rebuild the votann or something.

  • @killslay
    @killslay 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Me at first: reintroducing squats? That's dumb
    After hearing the new lore: shut up and take my ore!

  • @TimelordRick
    @TimelordRick ปีที่แล้ว +2

    THE ANCESTORS ARE WATCHING!

  • @patrik9328
    @patrik9328 ปีที่แล้ว

    Leagues of Votann makes me so happy

  • @michaelhall4222
    @michaelhall4222 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    tyranids are more expansive than you think. So much happens with them, especially the different tendrils that invade the galaxy

    • @TheBoneZone40k
      @TheBoneZone40k  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      oh trust me, I know
      I have an unhealthy obsession with Hive fleet Kronos

    • @michaelhall4222
      @michaelhall4222 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheBoneZone40k awesome. Kraken and behemoth are the main ones i played around 20 years ago. got rid of my army along time ago. :(

  • @nicholasgucwa2065
    @nicholasgucwa2065 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This was great. Do worldeaters.

  • @samjeffery8112
    @samjeffery8112 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro I think they're my new favorite race

  • @rawkth5996
    @rawkth5996 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me walking in having already read the *entire* wiki the second they we're announced.

  • @TheLaluciDaniel
    @TheLaluciDaniel ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Question, if the Votann (The AI STC) can do so many things, how come it can't construct a copy of itself so it has a brand new "Body" and back-up storage.

    • @beowylfen
      @beowylfen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Honestly my head canon is just, the Kin never asked it to

    • @visitingforgefather5997
      @visitingforgefather5997 ปีที่แล้ว

      It seems implied these things were created by Dark Age of Tech humans on earth so they were not build on site.
      The Votann were on the colony ships that were send into the core with the Kin.
      Personally I think it may be the case the Votann were actually meant to study the galactic core and were suppose to send the data back to Earth but then Age of Strife happened.
      Their programing prevented them from deleting data or stopping the data gathering, the whole process developed sort of to religious significance for the Kin and so have been collecting data for 10000 plus years for what is in essence a obsolete task.
      Also all that data have caused the Votann to slow down significantly.
      Ask it a complex question in its peak years you had all the data you could possibly need in seconds.
      Ask a complex question currently and it can take years, decades or even centuries to get the data cause it has to shift through so much of it now. (amusingly sometimes after all that waiting it may just ask you to be more specific, imagine hearing that after waiting close to a century.)
      I know new Votann do occasionally pop up from a developed Fane but they have made clear the Kin have no clue how this happens due to how random it is.

  • @dcaf0
    @dcaf0 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rock and Stone!

  • @Kennyselman
    @Kennyselman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FUCK YEAH DWARFS! Also, congrats on 102k!
    Now if only their army had more units...god they and the Kroot need more actual units. Nice skulpts, but need more variety.

  • @mfreed40k
    @mfreed40k 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Don't forget the Demiburg, from BFG, reported to be the squat replacement.

  • @Eroll-dw8ex
    @Eroll-dw8ex ปีที่แล้ว

    Cant wait for you to get more to learn about them so you can share it

  • @The_Local_Goose
    @The_Local_Goose 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    these might be the good guys of 40k gang

  • @johnjafon2410
    @johnjafon2410 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the leagues of voting if I was richer I would get into 40k and main leagues

  • @motis6955
    @motis6955 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    MORE VOTANN AND SQUAT LORE VIDS THANKS BRO LOVE THE VIDS

  • @krasnoludzkipiwowar8303
    @krasnoludzkipiwowar8303 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rock and Stone

  • @celsetialarchives5909
    @celsetialarchives5909 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love ur content dude keep it up
    Quick off 40k topic question
    What do u eddit ur vids on?

  • @BrotherBoot97
    @BrotherBoot97 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's going in the book

  • @adye88
    @adye88 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think that its smart to shroud them in mystery. During the years of expedition no one knew what was happening on the other continents. i feel it's the same for this faction and this timeline in the 40k universe.

  • @sethevans5210
    @sethevans5210 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I commented... You are welcome. Also I like to imagine that the league was the product of the squats.

  • @SunBearerofEl
    @SunBearerofEl ปีที่แล้ว

    I know there isn't allot of lore, they are and aren't new to the back story of Warhammer 40k. Hope to see more Votann in the future, some new short stories in Warhammer Community and and novels. I know that there hasn't been much of Aeldari novels either, hopefully they don't get thrrown in the back burner.
    Surprisingly enough they haven't been tol in the recent Arks of Omen series. The faction hasn't popped up in the series yet or won't at all. It would be nice if they just pop ahead and help the Dark Angels the The Seige of the Rock.

  • @nobodyimportant2534
    @nobodyimportant2534 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is why i like to headcanon deep rock galactic being in the 40k universe

  • @pigeon4x250
    @pigeon4x250 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I realize this is an old video at this point, and I'm probably alone in this, but I'm here for squat lore if you ever want to do that lol

    • @TheBoneZone40k
      @TheBoneZone40k  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      unfortunately, there is no more lore updates to give, I have been meaning to read the Leviathan special edition rule book entry for them tho

  • @zipperdan3969
    @zipperdan3969 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking forward to new votann lore and models

  • @CoffeeMaus
    @CoffeeMaus ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, though I think you got some minor stuff wrong, like the xenos classification, it's a bit more complex than that. I also don't recall the Votann themselves being STCs (though they have a lot of those), it's just a really advanced computer.

  • @scarecrow_3215
    @scarecrow_3215 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How do you reload the bolter of the kin
    No really how

  • @zhcultivator
    @zhcultivator 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would you be interested in ''sea dwarves'' or ''river dwarves'' that ride crocodiles and alligators?? as an alternative dwarf sub-race or subspecies.*

  • @JEKAZOL
    @JEKAZOL ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job! 👍🏻

  • @redluke8119
    @redluke8119 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a Gimli man to the end dwarves rule

  • @PhantomPanda1992
    @PhantomPanda1992 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    only a year old and already dying, bless their little cotton socks. deffo gonna give themselves to chaos.