"It’s our shame to bear before the other Legions, brother. Angron was broken long before he ever reached us. Why do you think we let him beat the Nails into our heads? We hoped that by breaking ourselves on the same anvil, we’d finally feel unity with our father." - Eighth Captain Khârn to Argel Tal
And it's all the emperor's fault If the war hounds had been unleashed onto the planet to help angron and his comrades he'd have felt brotherhood with his legion
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 he did not even needed to release warhound just teleport slaves that were with him send few custodes or just release a f**king psychic sneeze and all is better
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023the planet had already began to join the imperium, it would’ve been a mess. It wasn’t right, but the Emperor did what he needed. It did nothing but fuel the rage of Angron
That one guy: "WHEN WORLD EATERS?!" Arthur: Now Everyone: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!! Thank you for highlighting the World Eaters not yet consumed by the nails. They are easy to forget about with everything else going on.
a few did that. In the Knights Errant was at least one World Eater, In Furious Abyss a whole Platoon of World Eaters fought on the loyalist side against the Word Bearers, on Istvaan III a large contingent of loyalist World Eaters fought alongside the loyalist elements of the Deathguard, Sons of Horus and Emperors Children. On several other occasions loyalist World Eaters were around
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 yep, they had the largest amount of loyalists amongst the traitor legions. Which says a lot in my opinion. If I could save just one primarch and legion that fell to chaos, it would be the world eaters.
idk if it is intentional or not, but the way you start the video with a really friendly "uh hi! im arthur" with the everywhere at the end of time music in the background and then you start talking about all the horrific shit that happens in 40k gives your videos a really particular vibe. like you're a non-malicious warp spawn just sort of observing everything going on. this is a good thing btw
it is intentional! it weirdly enough started as a joke using Everywhere at the End of Time as my background music. but people seem to be digging it now
The tragic aspect of World Eaters is showing up quiet a lot in the new World Eater Codex. Some guys are so depressed that they actively try to die in combat, and sometimes Khorne literally revives them out of blood. Other than that, there is also fun short story with 8 World Eater biological brothers (same mother), killing bunch of people, and Khorne opens them a warp portal to a new location everytime they kill large enought Number of people somewhere „Whwre will the magic murder bus take us now?”
Reminds me of a character from 'Angron - The Red Angel' who basically tried to drown himself in madness for 10.000 years since the Siege of Terra, because back then he tried to kill himself in his last act of lucid thought, but was already so corrupted by Chaos that he couldn't die and then basically no longer had any way out of eternal slavery, all the while being constantly reminded of what he could have been and what a miserable wretch he actually became. Never thought I'd say this, but that novel made me feel pity for a murderous half-daemon who went on a nihilistic killing spree for ten millenia out of sheer and utter despair.
Can't help but feel sorry for Angron, poor dude didn't deserve the shit he was put through and the Emperor just made it all even worse than it already was.
Which begs one of many questions about why ... the genius of mankind would seemingly create that exact scenario, aka Angrons inherent hatred towards his father? Then the whole "what" butchers nails thing? Sheesh ...
Angron never really turned against the Emperor for any of the justifiable reasons he cited though. He complained bitterly that the Emperor was a Tyrant before setting himself and his Legion on the enemies of the Imperium of Man to indulge the Nails. It took Horus to actually turn that blood lust against the Emperor, before that (despite all his rhetoric) Angron did as he was told no matter how grumpy he was.
I like the theory Big E pushed certain primarchs towards chaos because the deal he made was half of them would fall. He sees poor Angron and says "Welp, they broke this one already and I didn't even get to take him out of the box." *stamps him on the forehead with FOR CHAOS*
@@richardkelly6732 still he was literally hardwired to associate pain with pleasure, plus never forgave his "father" for removing him via teleportation at his climax of redemption?
Lmao I'm not gonna lie, the idea of Angron just cutting loose from his anger for a second and saying "Nah lol I'm ballin" would be absolutely hilarious 😂 😂😂
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
I'm not too surprised Emps did what he did on Nuceria. Seems pretty clear the War Hounds were bred to be the Crusade's Forlorn Hope legion; that's one hell of a thankless job. He only needed Angron in good-enough shape to lend his gene-seed to making more of them, and he didn't need his mind intact to do that. The fact that he deliberately left Angron's gladiator friends in the lurch is such a kick in the teeth when sidekicks like Luther and Erebus were allowed to ascend to Astartes. I still can't decide if that means the Emperor had no idea what he was doing or that he knew exactly what he was doing.
Before I even watch the video, I don't find the world eaters depressing, but rather tragic. So many mistakes were made upon finding Angron, and then Angron just up and damned the entire legion by wanting someone to feel even an ounce of his own suffering. The most recent lore has Angron got to feel an ounce of peace after doing the bidding of Khorne. I wonder if he feels like it was worth it.
It was also the cruelest thing Khorne could possibly have done to him. He has spent 10,000 years in constant agony and rage. Then he's finally given a glimpse of peace and happiness only for Khorne to tear it away again and give him back all his pain and rage.
None of it has really worked for him. He shows a lot of similar symptoms of anhedonia due to the effects of the Nails, so nothing he does will ever satisfy his needs.
Angron is the most human primarch. So much lost potential. You know that without his butcher's nails he would be the best primarch. Because even when he was at the peak of madness, he spanked Gulliman with facts on the hypocrisy of the Crusade. The conversations between Angron and the other primarchs are the best in the whole series.
My favorite legion. I love ultra violence but the extra bits makes them more than that. It’s like a Greek tragedy. You also gave them more than any other TH-camrs care too. Khorne bless you and the man who got this vid made. You are a true lore hero.
oh btw, Angron had the power to suck up the pain of his sons, both mentally and physically but with the butcher's nail in his brain that basically goes away
Haven't watched the video untill finish yet, but yeah, the world eater is a walking tragedy, Angron is just a tragedy, it feels like his fall to chaos is predetermined from the start, which make him more of an npc, he never have a choice to begin with.
The saddest part about Angron is his potential use with his psychic ability he was an empath. the reason he was captured as an infant is because a team of eldar jumped him basically right as he got out of the pod. And he basically felt every emotion they felt when he fought them. Mind you, eldar have an emotional range that humans could not even comprehend. And here you have an infant getting attacked by a whole group of them, while at the same time feeling every emotion they have as he tears them apart.
Angron and the Emperors relationship always reminded me of erebus and Argel tal. The Emperor wanted angron to forget and get over something that Angron couldn't just as Erebus kills argel tal as he couldn't let another brother die and would lose the traitors the war
Personally, World Eaters are my favorite of the Traitor Legions and Angron is my second favorite Primarch. Their violent depression and decent into madness is really what changed me from a Emperor worshiping loyalist to a BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE anarchist. If there ever was any doubt on if the Emperor wasn't a massive uncaring, unfeeling and just horrible father it would be Angron who embodies that basic fact.
They can be depressing but they are often written very one note to the point we’re they make murderous rage boring. But to their credit when they are written well they are written WELL. Tbh I kinda want to know what you think of the loyalist vs traitor legion lore, as I personally think most of the loyalists except for like 3 exceptions (the white scars dark angels and ultra marines) are pretty boring if not downright badly written
One of the most interesting things about the War Hounds/World Eaters and Angron is how DIFFERENT Angron was to the War Hounds. Most of the other Legions were very similar to their Primarch, but pre-Nails Angron was vastly different to how the War Hounds have been traditionally portrayed. The only other Legion with such a vast difference was the Blood Angels and Sanguinius, which is also interesting as it looks like Angron's original "purpose" was to BE what Sanguinius essentially became - the glue that held the bonds of brotherhood between the Primarchs.
From what I remember other people say, i thought that Angron had little to do with the chapter implanting the Nails; i thought that the chapter did it themselves to understand their primarch(who kept beating them to death when talked to) better and possibly have him accept them.
I just feel bad for Angron. Of all the primarchs in the setting the universe went out of it's way to sh!t on him. It was implied that he was the primarch with healing powers but he was forced to become a mindless berserker. And then things only got worse when the emperor arrived and refused to save his comrades. Dude was basically sacrificed to chaos by the emperor. And I refuse to believe that the emperor couldn't remove the butchers nails. The emperor needed some of his sons to call to chaos so he can become a god and Angron got the short end of the stick and was beaten with it.
The way it was explained, he could probably remove the Nails given to the marines, but Angron himself had been lobotimized to make sure the implants took hold. Removing them would have killed "Angron" as a person, and there was no telling what would be left, even if the sections of his damaged brain were regrown. And, let's be clear: If the Emperor wanted godhood? *All he had to do was ask.* Lorgar would have whipped the Imperium into a pious frenzy and would have been overjoyed to have elevated his Father to true godhood. The entire 'Heresy' was born out of Lorgar being denied that very request.
@@watchm4ker "Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all the unifying agents. Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without a belief in a devil." Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements If the Emperor had the power to defeat the Void Dragon C'tan and had the ludicrous foresight to know that sealing it on Mars would create the cult mechanicus then I refuse to believe that anything is beyond his power or knowledge. The Leagues of Votan prove that humanity has the ability to coexist with sentient machines. Yet the Emperor did nothing to save humanity at the height of its power, when it had the most odds of ruling the galaxy and starving out Chaos. I believe that the Emperor intended to create a religion based around himself precisely when humanity was surrounded by the most threats and had the least amount of options to fight back. Accusations of haresy prevents humanity from progressing or finding other options. And the power of ancient tech and the Emperor's association with the onmisia rewards faith based technology. Adding to humanitys reliance on faith. Loregar fell to chaos after he wrote the book that would create the imperial cult, so he served his purpose. All that was left for him was to become a sacrifice in the mythical war. Dozens of religions have some form of godly war: the Greco-Roman titanomachy, the Norse Asir and Vanir, the Christian rebellion of Lucifer. The trope of a war in heaven is tried and tested. Besides, if the Emperor relied too much on Loregar to create his religion that risks the religion centering more around Loregar than the Emperor. The Emperor picked and chose which of his sons would remain loyal (usually the strongest and most useful) and which would be sacrificed to chaos and become fodder for humanity's unifying hatred (usually the weaker or less useful.) Just look at how disorganized and undisciplined most of the traitor primarchs are. Everything was a tool to facilitate the Emperor's ascension to godhood. And not every tool is meant to last. Besides 40k is the origin of the phrase "Grim Dark" and what's more grim dark than the supposed good god of the setting being just as if not more cruel, selfish, and manipulative than the evil gods.
@@watchm4ker Thank you! I hate the dumb idea that the Heresy was caused by the Emperor to elevate him to godhood. Because, yeah, he could have just asked if he wanted. Not everything has to be a 4D chess plan. He was just a poor father and couldn't see past his own ego, thus causing resentment towards him.
@@stratigangames508 While I agree that Big E was a bad father I don't think that's all there is to it. I'm pretty sure that the Emperor knew that some of his Primarch sons would fall to Chaos, likely because that was part of the deal he had with them. But it wasn't predetermined who it would be. So when Big E found his sons he evaluated them and considered who he would rather sacrifice. Horus, Mortarion and Angron apparently made the top of the list, which explains why he behaved the way he did with them.
Man, everytime that "hi... I'm arthur" intro hits, i feel like I'm getting together with my buddy who has been waiting years to go full nerd. Love your content man, can't wait for the episode where you cover my favorite gloriously sneaky emo marines
Fun fact, when angron/ his world eaters come in from warp on their ships, their ships scream so loud you can hear it before the world eaters themselves make planet fall. So imagine hearing a bellowing demonic roar both in space and on a planet before seeing these roid beasts from hell descend upon them.
Tbh even without the Horus Hearsay I could see them being wiped out or starting a war vs Big E man if only Lorgar was stopped before turning his brother into a giant Deamon
Started playing about a year ago and World Eaters were my first army for the memes but I fell in love and ended up listening to a lot of the lore that exists for them. I really like the cat comparison when the ship starts gifting Lotara dead people haha
There are several characters that align with the world eaters that you can do seperate lore videos on, one of course if Angron, second is Kharn, third is Lotara Sarrin (she is a human who aligns with the world eaters and captains the world eaters flagship called "The Conquerer"), and finally the fourth, Lord Invocatus (less lore is available on this one due to him being a character just introduced recently)
Oh boy, I can't wait to see how you'll rag on my second favorite legion with the next one. In all seriousness, good video. While I'm not much of a World Eater fan, even I can respect that they can be pretty neat and feel bad for how far they've fallen. The one warband that I do actually like is 'Gladiator Cadre 331'. They're World Eaters that have kept the original White and Blue color scheme and honor Khrone through skill at arms instead of berserker rage, looking to be the greatest duelists. Through their discipline and the keeping to the ancient ways of Nuceria, they're able to avoid succumbing to the Butcher's Nails, keeping their mental faculties and go into battle with order and cohesion. And I think that's pretty neat. It's sad there's next to no lore about them though.
I don't have any issue with the world eaters, and kharne before he lost his mind was an incredibly interesting character. Him and argel tal was like the coolest bromance ever. To the point where erabus killed argel tal because kharne would not become the kharne we know if he was allowed to have a single friend in the entire galaxy. That is literally one of the saddest stories I have ever heard. That said I'm not an angron fan. I'm interested in who angron would have been if not for the butchers nails. I would have been interested in how he would have used that empathic ability. But now he's just an asshole with a massive migraine who can't even think anymore. He's the only primarch who didn't wind up ruling their planet. He didn't even get out of slavery. The sad part of angron is that before he even fell, he wasn't a person anymore. He was a tool. And not like the insult, he is literally a tool to be used to kill people. I can't imagine what it's like to be a guy who started as a superhuman empath who became an angry guy who can't even have a single thought other than murder
I actually felt sorry for Angron after one of his Primarch books, don't remember the title, but he ends taking all the pain and nightmares and trauma from his gladiator family/army so they can all get a peaceful night's sleep before the decisive battle of the gladiator uprising. And then he gets taken by the Emperor and he feels his army getting slaughtered as he is powerless to do anything about it. And the Emperor wasn't going to help the rebellious gladiators on a planet that was apparently going through compliance as this was happening.
You’re my favorite creator of Warhammer content, the intro, background music, details and the amount of info that you bring to theses videos are incredible! Keep going with the good work man!
When i first got into Warhammer lore, khorne berserkers were my first legion i really knew anything about. For that, the world eaters hold a special place in my heart.
I picked this armor scheme in space marine 2 because it looked cool, and decided to read up on it, when you said “murder fuck their way through victory” i choked with laughter lmao, instant like, thanks for making this fam
I can’t say I necessarily like the world eaters, but I definitely feel sorry for them unironically. Being reduced to frothing berserkers is one of the worst fates out there.
So, I just commented on your Blood Angels video basically talking about the exact thing that you found so compelling about this legion. The idea of wanting to be noble, but being doomed to savagery due to your physical circumstance. A common theme that happens with the space marine legions is there will be a general theme/struggle that is kind of mirrored with two legions. One falling on each side of the source of conflict. Unfortunately, GW very much has the idea that the chaos legions are the bad guys, and so the way this plays out in almost all cases is the loyalist legion succeeds at this struggle, and the traitor legion fails. The Iron Warriors seige, while the Imperial Fists fortify. The Ultramarines organize while the Black Legion destabalizes. The Blood Angels embrace nobility while the World Eaters embrace savagery. Etc...
Ah, this actually sold me on the World Eaters being kind of fucking great. It's such a tragic, grimdark concept and I did not even realize how much so they were. X) Would love to hear about their characters.
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Kinda missed the 'roided out, bared armed look Kharn had in some older artwork. His armor was considerably less decorated and the massive two-handed chainaxe (Gorefather) said a lot for his character
A truly tragic but foolish and insane Legion thinking using brain nails would make them better Big E messed up big time and Anagron wanted nothing but death and violence but he could’ve died a loyalist or grew up differently like beating the government but hey that is a hard feat
Secretly? I would consider it a well known tragedy of an entire legion being forced to have butchers nails in their heads and having to submit to chaos on orders from their primarch.
i think there is note somewhere that before they met angron, or at least at first, the warhounds were super nice and polite, but got more angry and aggressive in line with their primarch as the events on nuceria took place. and then angron took control of the legion and they became THE murder f******
funny enough, angron migh be actualy happier than ever since when his banished for 8 weeks, Khorne himself would let be at peace for that tim, wich is bittersweet for his fate and his legion
When I heard you say "white scars" I was like "I think this guy is Canadian". Then you mentioned kilometers and I knew. Also, Blood for the Blood God. Skulls for the Skull Throne, Souls for the Red King. RAWR.
People seem to forget that World Eaters are painted red. They may not be Slaaneshi but by Ork logic, they and the Blood Angels are the fastest gits. Edit:I just remembered the next one is Ultramarines...😊
I love the world eaters, they are genuinely tragic. The more you learn about what they were and could have been just makes what they currently are all the more upsetting.
Don’t know who had it worst Night hunters or World Eaters both Primarchs or sons but I’m leaning World eaters side note was great seeing Lion bash his head off with a shield
I've been a fan of the 40k lore for the best part of 30 years, literally three quarters of my life. I was but a youngling when I finally picked up the 2nd edition starter set and spent the next couple of years reading and re-reading the lore books they included. I loved reading when I was a kid and read a whole bunch of different stuff, but since GW started releasing novels, I've found myself reading only GW, The Horus Heresy series started 17 fucking years ago, I've basically only read that for 17 years now and have read all of them and am up to date for the finalé. World Eaters have always stood out to me for their tragic backstory, the way The Emperor treated Angron like a broken tool, when the new World Eaters stuff was released I decided to jump in as I'd been waiting 15 years for a new Berzerker kit. Now to my point, I subscribed to this channel when it was under 1k subs, I've watched every video released and I've gotta say I'm really impressed with the content, as a now older person there's very little I don't know about 40k lore but I always seem to pick up little titbits of information I never knew, which makes this channel really valuable for me, as a person who has dedicated his existence to knowing everything about 40k, instead of y'know, anything actually usefull.
So eh, funny story. I have such intense rage that my friends nicknamed me Angron, it just so happens that the world eaters were the first legion I learned about through the incredible narrator of Baldermort.
There's no loyalists that make me cry more than the loyalists from the World Eaters. They did everything to earn the love of their father, even becoming foaming butchers for him despite it never being enough. A VOX IN THE VOID did a fantastic series of videos on them, but the best is a short audio story called Cry Havoc focusing on the Istvaan III betrayal, and one line always sticks with me: "I am betrayed! Betrayed unto death!! Father, can you hear me father!!? Red butcher, world eater!!" Text can't do it justice, VOX's screaming of it shows the fury and pain in the voices of the betrayed few who still served the emperor, and died being torn apart by their brothers and the father who despised them.
You wanna know what the worst part about Angron is? His ability was to take away the emotional baggage of anyone he touches, but when he got the Butcher's Nails, he outright lost that ability, and the same went with his Legion when they got those Nails in their heads.
Angron is My favorite since hes so tragic. Nothing that happened to him was his choice, even now all he wants is to die, but that still is denied to him.
Tragedy tends to require that a character could have done better but failed. What you just described isn't really tragic it's just sad. That has its own appeal, to be sure, but could you not use the word tragic? The Thousand Sons are tragic. Maguns and Russ both failed due to their own actions, and the legion was lost to chaos. Like you said, though, nothing was Angrons choice. He never failed because at no point did anyone writing him give him the dignity of trying.
"When did they start painting their armor red?"
"Oh, that's not paint."
That one dude is a legend for "convincing" you to make this video
lol a bit ov banter
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@@MrPapamaci88WE ALMOST THERE BROTHER
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Blood for the blood god.
Bro found out where he lived and held him at chainaxe.
"It’s our shame to bear before the other Legions, brother. Angron was broken long before he ever reached us. Why do you think we let him beat the Nails into our heads? We hoped that by breaking ourselves on the same anvil, we’d finally feel unity with our father." - Eighth Captain Khârn to Argel Tal
😢 oh Gott thats is depressing
And it's all the emperor's fault
If the war hounds had been unleashed onto the planet to help angron and his comrades he'd have felt brotherhood with his legion
FUUUUUUUUUUUUQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ that is so SAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 he did not even needed to release warhound just teleport slaves that were with him send few custodes or just release a f**king psychic sneeze and all is better
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023the planet had already began to join the imperium, it would’ve been a mess. It wasn’t right, but the Emperor did what he needed. It did nothing but fuel the rage of Angron
"Nah lol, I'm balling."
This is my new head canon response Angron made to the Emperor.
It’s the guy
... I owe you a drink
That one guy: "WHEN WORLD EATERS?!"
Arthur: Now
Everyone: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!
Thank you for highlighting the World Eaters not yet consumed by the nails. They are easy to forget about with everything else going on.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!
Imagine if the World Eaters just meet up with guilliman and say "We wanna be loyalists. Call us by our old name" and guilliman is like "okey dokey"
"Me loyalist now, me kill emperor enemies." And then they join the Black Templars in their wild ride across the galaxy
@@sheevpalpatine2128I mean at least most of them didnt join chaos and have been all about forgiveness
a few did that. In the Knights Errant was at least one World Eater, In Furious Abyss a whole Platoon of World Eaters fought on the loyalist side against the Word Bearers, on Istvaan III a large contingent of loyalist World Eaters fought alongside the loyalist elements of the Deathguard, Sons of Horus and Emperors Children. On several other occasions loyalist World Eaters were around
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 yep, they had the largest amount of loyalists amongst the traitor legions. Which says a lot in my opinion.
If I could save just one primarch and legion that fell to chaos, it would be the world eaters.
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idk if it is intentional or not, but the way you start the video with a really friendly "uh hi! im arthur" with the everywhere at the end of time music in the background and then you start talking about all the horrific shit that happens in 40k gives your videos a really particular vibe. like you're a non-malicious warp spawn just sort of observing everything going on.
this is a good thing btw
it is intentional!
it weirdly enough started as a joke using Everywhere at the End of Time as my background music.
but people seem to be digging it now
@@TheBoneZone40k I really, really liked it. Chilled out
@@TheBoneZone40k its annoying as shit
@@TheBoneZone40k I like it, gives a super chill vibe.
Also reminds me of shoddycast every time 😂
I really like this nice "Uh hi! I'm Arthur" at this point I even sometimes Respond to It in my head.
Shout out to my favorite War Hound, Endryd Haar; A thunder warrior too angry to die, so they made him one of the first World Eaters!
Endryd Haar wasnt a thunder warrior, he did kill a thunder warrior with his bare hands though.
Angron was meant to be the emperor's healer
He could soothe any soul and take away any pain
whose ever idea that was deserves a raise
the doctor/chaplain became the butcher
he does it better now
It’s called percussive maintenance with a Chain Axe.
The tragic aspect of World Eaters is showing up quiet a lot in the new World Eater Codex. Some guys are so depressed that they actively try to die in combat, and sometimes Khorne literally revives them out of blood.
Other than that, there is also fun short story with 8 World Eater biological brothers (same mother), killing bunch of people, and Khorne opens them a warp portal to a new location everytime they kill large enought Number of people somewhere
„Whwre will the magic murder bus take us now?”
Reminds me of a character from 'Angron - The Red Angel' who basically tried to drown himself in madness for 10.000 years since the Siege of Terra, because back then he tried to kill himself in his last act of lucid thought, but was already so corrupted by Chaos that he couldn't die and then basically no longer had any way out of eternal slavery, all the while being constantly reminded of what he could have been and what a miserable wretch he actually became. Never thought I'd say this, but that novel made me feel pity for a murderous half-daemon who went on a nihilistic killing spree for ten millenia out of sheer and utter despair.
Can't help but feel sorry for Angron, poor dude didn't deserve the shit he was put through and the Emperor just made it all even worse than it already was.
Angron is my fav traitor Primarch he is one of the few Primarchs that had a good reason to turn from the Emperor and was justified to do so.
Which begs one of many questions about why ... the genius of mankind would seemingly create that exact scenario, aka Angrons inherent hatred towards his father? Then the whole "what" butchers nails thing? Sheesh ...
@@jarrodcross1482 Cuz GW thinks grimderp and grimdark are the same thing
Angron never really turned against the Emperor for any of the justifiable reasons he cited though. He complained bitterly that the Emperor was a Tyrant before setting himself and his Legion on the enemies of the Imperium of Man to indulge the Nails. It took Horus to actually turn that blood lust against the Emperor, before that (despite all his rhetoric) Angron did as he was told no matter how grumpy he was.
I like the theory Big E pushed certain primarchs towards chaos because the deal he made was half of them would fall. He sees poor Angron and says "Welp, they broke this one already and I didn't even get to take him out of the box." *stamps him on the forehead with FOR CHAOS*
@@richardkelly6732 still he was literally hardwired to associate pain with pleasure, plus never forgave his "father" for removing him via teleportation at his climax of redemption?
Lmao I'm not gonna lie, the idea of Angron just cutting loose from his anger for a second and saying "Nah lol I'm ballin" would be absolutely hilarious 😂 😂😂
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
I'm not too surprised Emps did what he did on Nuceria. Seems pretty clear the War Hounds were bred to be the Crusade's Forlorn Hope legion; that's one hell of a thankless job. He only needed Angron in good-enough shape to lend his gene-seed to making more of them, and he didn't need his mind intact to do that. The fact that he deliberately left Angron's gladiator friends in the lurch is such a kick in the teeth when sidekicks like Luther and Erebus were allowed to ascend to Astartes. I still can't decide if that means the Emperor had no idea what he was doing or that he knew exactly what he was doing.
Before I even watch the video, I don't find the world eaters depressing, but rather tragic. So many mistakes were made upon finding Angron, and then Angron just up and damned the entire legion by wanting someone to feel even an ounce of his own suffering.
The most recent lore has Angron got to feel an ounce of peace after doing the bidding of Khorne. I wonder if he feels like it was worth it.
He probably cant even remember the battle now it being days removed from present
It was also the cruelest thing Khorne could possibly have done to him. He has spent 10,000 years in constant agony and rage. Then he's finally given a glimpse of peace and happiness only for Khorne to tear it away again and give him back all his pain and rage.
Angron gave the order for the nails, but only because his sons begged him for them. Kharn admits as much in Betrayer
None of it has really worked for him. He shows a lot of similar symptoms of anhedonia due to the effects of the Nails, so nothing he does will ever satisfy his needs.
"When World Eaters?"
- Some Guy, Legend, King, Never Forget
Angron is the most human primarch. So much lost potential. You know that without his butcher's nails he would be the best primarch. Because even when he was at the peak of madness, he spanked Gulliman with facts on the hypocrisy of the Crusade. The conversations between Angron and the other primarchs are the best in the whole series.
I love how they can be one haft sad and depressing as well as the most metal and crazy faction ever.
Remember, some famous Metal songs upon reading the lyrics are extremely depressing as well. One by Metallica? Jesus.
I really like that the World Eaters have actual character to them rather than just being grrr angry all the time.
My favorite legion. I love ultra violence but the extra bits makes them more than that. It’s like a Greek tragedy. You also gave them more than any other TH-camrs care too. Khorne bless you and the man who got this vid made. You are a true lore hero.
oh btw, Angron had the power to suck up the pain of his sons, both mentally and physically but with the butcher's nail in his brain that basically goes away
Perhaps he could still do that but all it did was amplify the pain
When world eaters?
Found him.
Dedicated you are,big props I gotta give
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did u watch the video?
one hit wonder
Haven't watched the video untill finish yet, but yeah, the world eater is a walking tragedy, Angron is just a tragedy, it feels like his fall to chaos is predetermined from the start, which make him more of an npc, he never have a choice to begin with.
The saddest part about Angron is his potential use with his psychic ability he was an empath. the reason he was captured as an infant is because a team of eldar jumped him basically right as he got out of the pod. And he basically felt every emotion they felt when he fought them. Mind you, eldar have an emotional range that humans could not even comprehend. And here you have an infant getting attacked by a whole group of them, while at the same time feeling every emotion they have as he tears them apart.
The Black Shields were such a cool part of the lore. Especially the ones who stood with Ultramarines on Calth.
Angron and the Emperors relationship always reminded me of erebus and Argel tal. The Emperor wanted angron to forget and get over something that Angron couldn't just as Erebus kills argel tal as he couldn't let another brother die and would lose the traitors the war
Personally, World Eaters are my favorite of the Traitor Legions and Angron is my second favorite Primarch. Their violent depression and decent into madness is really what changed me from a Emperor worshiping loyalist to a BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE anarchist. If there ever was any doubt on if the Emperor wasn't a massive uncaring, unfeeling and just horrible father it would be Angron who embodies that basic fact.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
They can be depressing but they are often written very one note to the point we’re they make murderous rage boring. But to their credit when they are written well they are written WELL.
Tbh I kinda want to know what you think of the loyalist vs traitor legion lore, as I personally think most of the loyalists except for like 3 exceptions (the white scars dark angels and ultra marines) are pretty boring if not downright badly written
The War Hounds/World Eaters are my favorite legion!! I've actually written a short story about them on Ao3, called 'Sons of the Red Angel'
One of the most interesting things about the War Hounds/World Eaters and Angron is how DIFFERENT Angron was to the War Hounds. Most of the other Legions were very similar to their Primarch, but pre-Nails Angron was vastly different to how the War Hounds have been traditionally portrayed. The only other Legion with such a vast difference was the Blood Angels and Sanguinius, which is also interesting as it looks like Angron's original "purpose" was to BE what Sanguinius essentially became - the glue that held the bonds of brotherhood between the Primarchs.
From what I remember other people say, i thought that Angron had little to do with the chapter implanting the Nails; i thought that the chapter did it themselves to understand their primarch(who kept beating them to death when talked to) better and possibly have him accept them.
Kharne was the first model I actually paid for, but what's depressing is I ended up collecting Night Lords so he sticks out a bit.
I just feel bad for Angron. Of all the primarchs in the setting the universe went out of it's way to sh!t on him. It was implied that he was the primarch with healing powers but he was forced to become a mindless berserker. And then things only got worse when the emperor arrived and refused to save his comrades. Dude was basically sacrificed to chaos by the emperor. And I refuse to believe that the emperor couldn't remove the butchers nails. The emperor needed some of his sons to call to chaos so he can become a god and Angron got the short end of the stick and was beaten with it.
The way it was explained, he could probably remove the Nails given to the marines, but Angron himself had been lobotimized to make sure the implants took hold. Removing them would have killed "Angron" as a person, and there was no telling what would be left, even if the sections of his damaged brain were regrown.
And, let's be clear: If the Emperor wanted godhood? *All he had to do was ask.* Lorgar would have whipped the Imperium into a pious frenzy and would have been overjoyed to have elevated his Father to true godhood. The entire 'Heresy' was born out of Lorgar being denied that very request.
@@watchm4ker "Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all the unifying agents. Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without a belief in a devil."
Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements
If the Emperor had the power to defeat the Void Dragon C'tan and had the ludicrous foresight to know that sealing it on Mars would create the cult mechanicus then I refuse to believe that anything is beyond his power or knowledge.
The Leagues of Votan prove that humanity has the ability to coexist with sentient machines. Yet the Emperor did nothing to save humanity at the height of its power, when it had the most odds of ruling the galaxy and starving out Chaos.
I believe that the Emperor intended to create a religion based around himself precisely when humanity was surrounded by the most threats and had the least amount of options to fight back. Accusations of haresy prevents humanity from progressing or finding other options. And the power of ancient tech and the Emperor's association with the onmisia rewards faith based technology. Adding to humanitys reliance on faith.
Loregar fell to chaos after he wrote the book that would create the imperial cult, so he served his purpose. All that was left for him was to become a sacrifice in the mythical war.
Dozens of religions have some form of godly war: the Greco-Roman titanomachy, the Norse Asir and Vanir, the Christian rebellion of Lucifer. The trope of a war in heaven is tried and tested. Besides, if the Emperor relied too much on Loregar to create his religion that risks the religion centering more around Loregar than the Emperor.
The Emperor picked and chose which of his sons would remain loyal (usually the strongest and most useful) and which would be sacrificed to chaos and become fodder for humanity's unifying hatred (usually the weaker or less useful.) Just look at how disorganized and undisciplined most of the traitor primarchs are.
Everything was a tool to facilitate the Emperor's ascension to godhood. And not every tool is meant to last.
Besides 40k is the origin of the phrase "Grim Dark" and what's more grim dark than the supposed good god of the setting being just as if not more cruel, selfish, and manipulative than the evil gods.
@@watchm4ker Thank you! I hate the dumb idea that the Heresy was caused by the Emperor to elevate him to godhood. Because, yeah, he could have just asked if he wanted. Not everything has to be a 4D chess plan. He was just a poor father and couldn't see past his own ego, thus causing resentment towards him.
@@stratigangames508 While I agree that Big E was a bad father I don't think that's all there is to it. I'm pretty sure that the Emperor knew that some of his Primarch sons would fall to Chaos, likely because that was part of the deal he had with them. But it wasn't predetermined who it would be. So when Big E found his sons he evaluated them and considered who he would rather sacrifice. Horus, Mortarion and Angron apparently made the top of the list, which explains why he behaved the way he did with them.
@@Runenschuppei keep hearing about some deal? wtf? did he make a deal with thi chaos gods?
Man, everytime that "hi... I'm arthur" intro hits, i feel like I'm getting together with my buddy who has been waiting years to go full nerd. Love your content man, can't wait for the episode where you cover my favorite gloriously sneaky emo marines
Can't wait for you to start covering successor chapters. The BTs were the first army I started collecting, and still are my favorite astartes.
Fun fact, when angron/ his world eaters come in from warp on their ships, their ships scream so loud you can hear it before the world eaters themselves make planet fall. So imagine hearing a bellowing demonic roar both in space and on a planet before seeing these roid beasts from hell descend upon them.
Tbh even without the Horus Hearsay I could see them being wiped out or starting a war vs Big E man if only Lorgar was stopped before turning his brother into a giant Deamon
I have to say, your descriptions are so apropos and accurate, I really enjoy these videos.
Started playing about a year ago and World Eaters were my first army for the memes but I fell in love and ended up listening to a lot of the lore that exists for them. I really like the cat comparison when the ship starts gifting Lotara dead people haha
3 more legions to go until the thousand sons I can’t wait to hear your take on them (:
I just discovered this channel and I love the style. Looking forward to watching more.
There are several characters that align with the world eaters that you can do seperate lore videos on, one of course if Angron, second is Kharn, third is Lotara Sarrin (she is a human who aligns with the world eaters and captains the world eaters flagship called "The Conquerer"), and finally the fourth, Lord Invocatus (less lore is available on this one due to him being a character just introduced recently)
IMO, there is nothing secret about the World Eaters being depressing.
Nah this is super secret lore. You’re lucky to be on the loop.
Thanks “when world eaters” guy, we needed this
Oh man thank you for this video. It was so satisfying to watch as a hardcore WE player. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
Oh boy, I can't wait to see how you'll rag on my second favorite legion with the next one.
In all seriousness, good video. While I'm not much of a World Eater fan, even I can respect that they can be pretty neat and feel bad for how far they've fallen. The one warband that I do actually like is 'Gladiator Cadre 331'. They're World Eaters that have kept the original White and Blue color scheme and honor Khrone through skill at arms instead of berserker rage, looking to be the greatest duelists. Through their discipline and the keeping to the ancient ways of Nuceria, they're able to avoid succumbing to the Butcher's Nails, keeping their mental faculties and go into battle with order and cohesion.
And I think that's pretty neat. It's sad there's next to no lore about them though.
This is the first video of yours that I've ever listened to. Great video! I'm looking forward to checking out the rest!
I don't have any issue with the world eaters, and kharne before he lost his mind was an incredibly interesting character. Him and argel tal was like the coolest bromance ever. To the point where erabus killed argel tal because kharne would not become the kharne we know if he was allowed to have a single friend in the entire galaxy. That is literally one of the saddest stories I have ever heard.
That said I'm not an angron fan. I'm interested in who angron would have been if not for the butchers nails. I would have been interested in how he would have used that empathic ability. But now he's just an asshole with a massive migraine who can't even think anymore. He's the only primarch who didn't wind up ruling their planet. He didn't even get out of slavery. The sad part of angron is that before he even fell, he wasn't a person anymore. He was a tool. And not like the insult, he is literally a tool to be used to kill people. I can't imagine what it's like to be a guy who started as a superhuman empath who became an angry guy who can't even have a single thought other than murder
I actually felt sorry for Angron after one of his Primarch books, don't remember the title, but he ends taking all the pain and nightmares and trauma from his gladiator family/army so they can all get a peaceful night's sleep before the decisive battle of the gladiator uprising. And then he gets taken by the Emperor and he feels his army getting slaughtered as he is powerless to do anything about it. And the Emperor wasn't going to help the rebellious gladiators on a planet that was apparently going through compliance as this was happening.
You’re my favorite creator of Warhammer content, the intro, background music, details and the amount of info that you bring to theses videos are incredible! Keep going with the good work man!
Love the video, man! I know I'll be a bit, but I'm super stoked for when you get to the Salamanders
Wait till you find out how close the Lunar Wolves were to prevent the Horus Heresy altogether
When i first got into Warhammer lore, khorne berserkers were my first legion i really knew anything about. For that, the world eaters hold a special place in my heart.
Just stumbled Upon this and it looks kind of cool, from one small creator to another, I hope you blow up.
I picked this armor scheme in space marine 2 because it looked cool, and decided to read up on it, when you said “murder fuck their way through victory” i choked with laughter lmao, instant like, thanks for making this fam
I love you Mr. Bones. Keep up the good work brother!
Finally! Another casual 40k lore channel that's also entertaining! ^^
Funniest video ever. Your description of what makes them effective is EPIC
Love your vods Arthur been watching since the beginning I hope to see you grow further
8:31 "5-10 metric tons of anger blood , chainsaws and hate running at them at roughly 20km/h"
That's enough to make a Tyranid blush
I can’t say I necessarily like the world eaters, but I definitely feel sorry for them unironically. Being reduced to frothing berserkers is one of the worst fates out there.
So, I just commented on your Blood Angels video basically talking about the exact thing that you found so compelling about this legion. The idea of wanting to be noble, but being doomed to savagery due to your physical circumstance. A common theme that happens with the space marine legions is there will be a general theme/struggle that is kind of mirrored with two legions. One falling on each side of the source of conflict. Unfortunately, GW very much has the idea that the chaos legions are the bad guys, and so the way this plays out in almost all cases is the loyalist legion succeeds at this struggle, and the traitor legion fails. The Iron Warriors seige, while the Imperial Fists fortify. The Ultramarines organize while the Black Legion destabalizes. The Blood Angels embrace nobility while the World Eaters embrace savagery. Etc...
This is actually one of the videos that got me into the World Eaters. Thank you Arthur.
Ah, this actually sold me on the World Eaters being kind of fucking great. It's such a tragic, grimdark concept and I did not even realize how much so they were. X) Would love to hear about their characters.
I’m NEW to 40K…..but NOT NEW to your channel!
That being said…..THANK YOU FOR ALL THE AWESOME and HILARIOUS VIDEOS that you have put out sir! I look 👀 forward to seeing a notification on my phone for your NEW CONTENT each and every day!
I am loving ALL the lore I have learned so far from your videos, and really do enjoy how you explain so much of it through your funny narrations!
Honestly, I’m ex military…”So they really only trained me to lead and not to read.” So without your knowledge and experience in 40K….. I would be forced to read all the books that you have! And that sounds as much fun as french kissing a greater Nurgel demon !😈 😂😂😂
The fucking phantom wall knocks through the video are diabolical.
Kinda missed the 'roided out, bared armed look Kharn had in some older artwork. His armor was considerably less decorated and the massive two-handed chainaxe (Gorefather) said a lot for his character
A truly tragic but foolish and insane Legion thinking using brain nails would make them better Big E messed up big time and Anagron wanted nothing but death and violence but he could’ve died a loyalist or grew up differently like beating the government but hey that is a hard feat
"murder fuck there way to victory or die trying" as God intended. BA BA BASED!
Secretly? I would consider it a well known tragedy of an entire legion being forced to have butchers nails in their heads and having to submit to chaos on orders from their primarch.
World Sneeders
Formerly Chuck Hounds
My favorite legion since I got into this shit around 2002. The "Army of if DOOMguys" description is so completely on target. It's fuckin' crazy.
i think there is note somewhere that before they met angron, or at least at first, the warhounds were super nice and polite, but got more angry and aggressive in line with their primarch as the events on nuceria took place. and then angron took control of the legion and they became THE murder f******
Fabius Bile had one of those cool world eater apothecaries. Aurien I think?
funny enough, angron migh be actualy happier than ever since when his banished for 8 weeks, Khorne himself would let be at peace for that tim, wich is bittersweet for his fate and his legion
If you were to talk about individuals, Endryd Haar would be a cool discussion. A loyalist world eater who might be a thunder warrior
He deserved a better end than what he got.
Ive been going through all of your videos and this is my favorite legion so far in terms of lore.
Now that you mention that...
MORTARION.
Surely the nails must have hit its limit qith Angron considering hoq long he's been around and how murdering he's done.
When I heard you say "white scars" I was like "I think this guy is Canadian". Then you mentioned kilometers and I knew. Also, Blood for the Blood God. Skulls for the Skull Throne, Souls for the Red King. RAWR.
world eaters? what are they, some kind of angry marines?
Maybe after you've done all the legion videos you could do ones on the chapters from the second founding and so on and so forth
Just found your channel about a week ago and you talk the way I do about war hammer40k and warhammer
Once I read into the lore Angron became my favoruite Primarch
People seem to forget that World Eaters are painted red. They may not be Slaaneshi but by Ork logic, they and the Blood Angels are the fastest gits.
Edit:I just remembered the next one is Ultramarines...😊
The best part? It's not even paint. It's blood.
I love the world eaters, they are genuinely tragic. The more you learn about what they were and could have been just makes what they currently are all the more upsetting.
Don’t know who had it worst Night hunters or World Eaters both Primarchs or sons but I’m leaning World eaters side note was great seeing Lion bash his head off with a shield
I just want to say I really appreciate your respect for the world eaters
Love your channel mate! Keep it up!
I've been a fan of the 40k lore for the best part of 30 years, literally three quarters of my life.
I was but a youngling when I finally picked up the 2nd edition starter set and spent the next couple of years reading and re-reading the lore books they included. I loved reading when I was a kid and read a whole bunch of different stuff, but since GW started releasing novels, I've found myself reading only GW, The Horus Heresy series started 17 fucking years ago, I've basically only read that for 17 years now and have read all of them and am up to date for the finalé.
World Eaters have always stood out to me for their tragic backstory, the way The Emperor treated Angron like a broken tool, when the new World Eaters stuff was released I decided to jump in as I'd been waiting 15 years for a new Berzerker kit.
Now to my point, I subscribed to this channel when it was under 1k subs, I've watched every video released and I've gotta say I'm really impressed with the content, as a now older person there's very little I don't know about 40k lore but I always seem to pick up little titbits of information I never knew, which makes this channel really valuable for me, as a person who has dedicated his existence to knowing everything about 40k, instead of y'know, anything actually usefull.
So eh, funny story. I have such intense rage that my friends nicknamed me Angron, it just so happens that the world eaters were the first legion I learned about through the incredible narrator of Baldermort.
severly underated channel
There's no loyalists that make me cry more than the loyalists from the World Eaters. They did everything to earn the love of their father, even becoming foaming butchers for him despite it never being enough.
A VOX IN THE VOID did a fantastic series of videos on them, but the best is a short audio story called Cry Havoc focusing on the Istvaan III betrayal, and one line always sticks with me:
"I am betrayed! Betrayed unto death!! Father, can you hear me father!!? Red butcher, world eater!!"
Text can't do it justice, VOX's screaming of it shows the fury and pain in the voices of the betrayed few who still served the emperor, and died being torn apart by their brothers and the father who despised them.
Yes!! This is awesome.
You’ve gotten your wish lmao
I have watched this 20 times
You wanna know what the worst part about Angron is? His ability was to take away the emotional baggage of anyone he touches, but when he got the Butcher's Nails, he outright lost that ability, and the same went with his Legion when they got those Nails in their heads.
proud to be part of the growth dude
Angron is My favorite since hes so tragic. Nothing that happened to him was his choice, even now all he wants is to die, but that still is denied to him.
It sounds so ..grim… and dark…
Tragedy tends to require that a character could have done better but failed. What you just described isn't really tragic it's just sad. That has its own appeal, to be sure, but could you not use the word tragic? The Thousand Sons are tragic. Maguns and Russ both failed due to their own actions, and the legion was lost to chaos. Like you said, though, nothing was Angrons choice. He never failed because at no point did anyone writing him give him the dignity of trying.
@@myself2noone I feel Tragedy is also when Choices are also stolen from someone.
Id love to hear u do a video on Kharn :) He's one of my favourite characters in 40k.