Justin has really come into his own. He used to seem nervous, but he comes up as very comfortable on camera now. It really feels like he's one of the crew now.
You can tell he's genuinely, even if only slightly, traumatized from the whole thing. I love that they were able to make some interesting content and get some laughs out of it at least. Sure it would have been neat to finish the series as planned, but we're getting more memorable entertainment out of his mishap.
@@richardmarks6455 I mean you can't blame him for being at least a bit traumatized cause that could have ended a lot worse- they were going 100mph and caught air time... But thankfully everyone was ok, we got some fun content out of it, learned some things and the only casualty of that crash was the High Subaru.
@@forsakenace9577 Don't say that too loud or Pumphry is will bang your wife/sister/mother and post the video to your facebook. And after he's done with her, he might come after you too.
@@TermlessHGW Automatic transmissions aren't as big of an issue thanks to the torque converter. You can have sudden changes in speed and the fluid will absorb most of energy. But with a manual, any sudden changes in speed or direction in the driveline is going straight to the engine through the clutch. That's why you need to engage the clutch pedal in a crash.
finally this is the type of episodes I look for when watching donut media, you guys are great at explaining both what happened and the process to discover it
The upgraded oil pan point was a revelation. Thanks for that. Some of us were assuming that oil starvation was the common denominator, as you well know. Glad you're going through this; nothin isn't content.
“Accidentally going backwards” is what I’m gonna call all of my accidents from now on P. S.: Justin that “Welcome To Donut” at 00:32 was the smoothest thing I’ve ever heard
Totally agree, was glued to my chair for this one. I love how the whole this is: structured, shot, explained, the schematics / animations, close up shots, the thoroughness of the autopsy, just absolutely great. This is a strong reason for me to return to videos from Donut and my willingness to somehow support them monetarily so they might create more stuff like this. Maybe make a fun shirt out of it, with a drawing of that boxer engine. Someone holding pieces of that broken timing gear with the text "well, there is your problem!"
I just want to say I really appreciate what you guys do. this is stuff my buddies and I figured out over the years. I grew up in BFN and my dad was a mechanic and I picked a-lot of it up from him and used to show my friends who wanted to do car tuning stuff like this. I really love that anyone can now have the ability to learn about cars and racing on a budget. It makes me happy seeing the younger generations keep the motorhead mentality.
@@pounceblair677 Lol I didn't think of it like that, you're absolutely right. He accidentally employed people better in his field (i.e.racing) than him 😛 Btw- so you're aware it's *'have happened',* not _'of happened'_
FYI, one of the most basic tenants of aggressive/spirited/track driving, is TWO FEET IN, and don't steer, during a crash. Push in the clutch, push the brakes at the same time, and hold the steering wheel steady. Most wrecks are made much worse when the engine is still engaged to the wheels (extra forces the tires have to deal with, and as you see in this video, potential engine damage) brakes arent used to scrub speed as much as possible, and the driver wildly turns the steering wheel around to prevent the crash...which usually just Scandinavian flicks the car, flips it, spins it worse...etc.
ikr, I aint even a car guy and I love this channel. They make it informative, but also easy to understand for somebody like me, and keep it light-hearted and entertaining.
1:48 and that’s thanks to them wearing safety gear. Remember guys. We are squishy. Safety gear is designed to keep you safe for a vehicles use. Track cars have a lot of cages and harnesses. Your regular seatbelt works in your daily driver since it’s designed to work with your airbags. Be safe guys
Crazy! I expected WAY worse inside there based on the sound. Too early to tell but it honestly looks like you probably could save the block at least, with a thorough tear down and crank check/rod bearings etc. The damage of the instance itself isn’t bad, I’d actually be more worried about bearing damage from metal shavings.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 it may be. But if it were my engine I’d probably say it’s at least worth tearing down to see what’s saveable. I expected a lot worse valve to piston contact. It would end up being half a rebuild but if the cylinder walls and the crank are okay (decent sized if imo but plausible) then I’d say that’s a huge dub
Yesssssss Donut media with the Engine biopsy . Love it . Really shows the engineering ability and overall learning experience of what all went wrong and what can be redeemed and learnt from it . Gotta be honest really "expensive" knowledge we learnt from the Subaru hi low season . Saying that , we NEED A NEW HI low SEASON
This reminded me of a story i had with my then brother in law who owned a 60's land cruiser (bj40). We tried to go up a very steep hill in 2nd gear (long), didn't make it and went down backwards. The engine kept running but was coffing and vibrating a lot. I quickly got to the key and turned the engine off. Toyota being Toyota, he restarted the engine and it didn't appear to have sustained any damage in the followibg months
Wow... I have never seen a post incident engine tear down like this before, and learned a couple of tricks for diagnosing issues during a rebuild. Thanks guys!
I totally saw that broken allen happening. It's a miracle when you don't have to drill at least one cam sprocket bolt during teardown. ½" drill bit for those curious lol.
@Canada East nah, they're overtorqued from the factory and they just get worse over time with heat cycling and corrosion. Ask any subaru engine builder.
You need a 10mm hex impact socket made to JIS specs, it fits way tighter. I use this one: Sunex 26495 1/2-Inch Drive 10-mm Hex Impact Socket. You can find it on Amazon. Also a rounded bolt extractor on the outside of the bolt works as well. Use a big impact for all of these, you need strong impacts to break that nightmare loose. Credentials: work on lots of crusty New England subies.
Exact same thing happened to me when I wrecked my 04 STi back in 2009. I lifted while approaching a corner car drifted tail end happy hit a light pole a guard rail then airborne two lanes over to a grass median. The engine survived but terrifying experience. I learned not to lift the hard way.
i am so grateful for you guys to experience this, figure out everything possible around it, and then provide how to avoid anything negative in the future. seriously the donut team is a god send in the car community and honestly should hold a higher stake in it's influence asap even though the influence is already pretty massive lmao
I mean I can basically relate to this (without the crash part, sorry james), I was driving on the highway on my way home from a night of very legal activities in Mexico Canada lol, I was driving at about 110km/h or roughly 70 mph when suddenly this heartwrenching noise appears of something smacking something, I hit the clutch and the car shuts off. I try and coast as close to the city as I can in neutral, I pull over and check the engine bay, everything looks ok. I get my dad to come with some ratchet straps in his truck (im in a fully built acura integra with a full jdm itr swap) tows me back home to my garage, then I start to try to figure out what went wrong, and instantly tears start pouring from my eyes, I was 17 years old and I started my project car before I was even old enough to get my drivers license, 15 years old. My dream car was perfect. And I saw the timing belt missing ( I had an exposed camshaft due to stage 2 Cams). I didn't even bother ripping it apart, I knew the motor was full contact, my pistons and valves, R.I.P Edit: Oh and the car had super short gears, so cruising at 68 mph was at 3.8k rpm
These guys read my mind as I was watching the video... I kept thinking "Well what if" or "How do we check?" and then they instantly answered my question. They went over everything.
Another well presented and produced episode by tradesmen who know their stuff. I really enjoy these videos and I hope they inspire others to become mechanics and mechanical tradesmen. Nice work lads.
To all those that have had issues getting these cam bolts off, you need a JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) 10mm hex impact socket, it fits way tighter than any regular 10mm hex impact socket. I use Sunex 26495 1/2-Inch Drive 10-mm Hex Impact Socket. $10 on Amazon. Another option is a rounded bolt extractor on the outside of the bolt, bolt is soft enough it will dig right in (same reason they are so easy to round). A big impact is a must. Credentials: I work on a lot of rusty crusty New England subies.
nice video, you have salvaged viewers from the Subie community as well as found a way to recoup some lost money on a blown engine by making an extra video about it. that's just good business. Would love to see this level of research done on the other blown engines as well.
This is the best kind of video from you guys! Super interesting stuff! That was one expensive crash. But it's a learning experience. I would have done the exact same thing if I was driving, only difference being that I'd be doing it at half the speed you guys are going lol 😂
Being a subaru guy, this season of HiLow has been painful due to modification choices and maintinence/building pracices (coilovers vs. upgraded strut/shocks, lack of engine break-in, not upgrading to 6spd in HiCar, turbo choice, lack of platform research of common practice, etc.) This teardown confirms one of two things: either the engine was not torn into deep enough to reveal actual issues more significant than a slightly leaky intake valve, or the engine was scrapped way to early when it had plenty of life left in it. a timing job is about 2 hours for an EJ and $130 in parts. Just really put a bad taste in my mouth with how the channel has handled this. this series has fallen FAAAAAR below the standard of what Donut is capable of, and honestly, the subaru community has felt disrespected by how "our" cars were handled. I really hope Donut learns from this and hope this is the exception to the rule.
Took a hit (if you want to call it that way) from the people that don't have a clue how Subarus work. The ones who know, know. But props for Donut to bring the whole "autopsy" up for non Subaru connoisseurs.
@@no1washerezz hey, are you the guy who was having a go at the BRZ / GR86 for being too expensive to mod (your argument being the masses won't mod them like that), while literally using hypothetical (made-up) track time gains (on a hypothetical made-up track) as a benchmark? You were also having a go at people modding cars in ways you don't like, which is basically how 'the masses' mod cars. Yeah, no one cares what you think.
my ej22 phase 2 single cam "non interference" did the same thing driving at 30 miles per hour. still have the jb weld on the same spot too which is crazy. If furthering the teardown Id def look for wrist pin damage for sure or listen for any clunking with the heads off. I know that's a Subaru thing but ive never seen an engine besides a Detroit do that still run. Good luck and best wishes looks like she a got a bad jolt from the reverse rotation.
I know it’s a longshot, but could that gear shattering caused the opposite side of the motor to go out of timing and there is where the loud knocking is coming from? Did you guys pull the other side and look? I mean yes it could be coming from that side but that was really loud and I just thought they’d be more damage.
9:22 I feel a lot better seeing you guys try this, it's the method I tried when trying to find how bad the valves were on my DR650. I figured it was just some hilbilly nonsense but now I see competent people do it, I feel better.
As soon as the rear started to pass the front I was yelling "clutch clutch clutch!" To be fair, something pretty easy to forget I imagine if outside ones comfort zone or what not. A great episode.. I too am less than ideally mobile ATM due to the fact my e90 n55 intake cam gear bolt has snapped, vanos gear failed , timing chain jumped, and cam bearing ledges severely scored. Although in my case it's an auto and happened shortly after startup in neutral. Oil starvation of some sort I imagine.
James just needs to leave this channel, he’s the one holding them back - the only one who knows nothing about cars at all, jackass can’t even drive them either, why is he here
Thank you for rehashing this. Mad respect for mastering your mistakes, facing into accountability and flipping a horrible shower memory into views and watch time!!!
NGL, I've always seen myself as unremarkably straight but seeing you two tearing down this engine while testing your hypotheses DID introduce a little wobble 😂🤡 Excellent video, all. Keep up the great work. You guys are the best.
This is a pretty great business model. Do everything you’d do with a project car from buying, modding, driving, breaking and fixing it and make a video about each and get over 1 million views each. Well done Donut
Love how they pointed out the baffled aftermarket oil pan. A lot of the naysayers were calling them out for not running those.. well that theory is busted. I am a subie fanboy, but the EJ engine just wasnt designed that well. If you understand its limitations you can build around them to make the motor better, but its just not built like a honda engine.. The abuse those can take set a very high bar.
Every modern EJ in an manual transmission Subaru has belt guides to keep the belt from ratcheting if the engine is spun backwards. Wouldn’t have helped in this instance since the shock killed the sprocket. The composite cam sprockets are notoriously brittle, but they don’t break under normal usage. The turbo EJs always have impossibly tight cam sprocket bolts. Them seem to tighten themselves. I usually just drill the heads off the bolts, which relieves the tension on the bolt and allows them to be removed by hand. It’s way easier than breaking tools and knuckles trying to remove the impossibly tight bolts. In James’s defense, anyone who has ever driven a modified, nose-heavy car fast has run into issues with lift-off oversteer. It’s not specifically an AWD thing, it happens in FWD and RWD cars too (although maybe a bit less in RWD since they tend to have more weight in the rear). That’s why cars are typically tuned to understeer so much. He just was unlucky to have it happen in a spot where the car could go airborne. If not for the sideways jump, the car would have probably been fine.
We call it a teardown, but let's face it. This is an autopsy
Auto-psy 😂
@@TRLC glad someone got my dad joke
@@Dystrackshun I actually got a bil jealus i didnt think of it myself :)
James guilty? 🧐
Post mortem 👍
"Not only did I wreck. I wrecked wrong" I feel that.
Good to hear him take responsibility for screwing up his crash.. lol
Every skater ever. That's the difference between pros and amateurs. The pros know how to crash properly.
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ H
Dude, I got a legit hearty LOL out of that one. I was so proud of him.
Jeremiah really is the type of guy to go “mimimimimimi” after every snore.
😭😭😭😭💀
Real
realest thing ive heard all week
i thought my ex was the only person that did this lol
💀
You need to have a whole section where Justin durability tests tools with his super strength.
Yessss. Justin and Jerry would be a hilarious team. But my favorite team is jobe and Jerry. They've got some brother vs brother energy sometimes.
Justin became such an integral part of donut. Always an uplifting smile and chill attitude. Thanks you guys.
We need more of these two, they seem to work really well together
@Jack Wrath 🤡🤡🤡🤡
justin just totally vibes with everyone. he's great addition. and zack is rad, so how could it not be a great pairing?
These 2 literally make the best donut videos. Fun and informative. Great job guys !!
Yeah but the best pair is Jeremiah and Zack or Nolan and Justin
@@thunderbird4712 imo Nolan and James, Justin and Jobe and Jeremiah can be with anyone
Justin has really come into his own. He used to seem nervous, but he comes up as very comfortable on camera now. It really feels like he's one of the crew now.
my guy justin is fucking yoked
@@PullingVertigo bro could pull the Subaru motor out with his bare hands
Well when you know what you are talking about it comes natural my friend. They are awesome wish they would trian me.
I agree and Zach is a joke. Get him out of here.
@@andrewf8486 I disagree. The donut guys are really working to provide us with quality content. Negativity isn't welcome here.
Justin really has come into his own now, definitely much more comfortable
Yeah, he (understandably) seemed a little awkward at first, but I’m really digging his content lately. Works well with everyone.
His abnormal massive strength STRIKES AGAIN
I was thinking the same thing about Justin. He’s a great addition to the crew
@Jack Wrath no.
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ I will soon
Whoever did the animations needs a huge bonus
Every time James talks about this event you can see the pain in his eyes and it makes me feel so sad!
You can tell he's genuinely, even if only slightly, traumatized from the whole thing. I love that they were able to make some interesting content and get some laughs out of it at least. Sure it would have been neat to finish the series as planned, but we're getting more memorable entertainment out of his mishap.
@@richardmarks6455 I mean you can't blame him for being at least a bit traumatized cause that could have ended a lot worse- they were going 100mph and caught air time...
But thankfully everyone was ok, we got some fun content out of it, learned some things and the only casualty of that crash was the High Subaru.
@@edim108 exactly my point... can't imagine how bad it felt to crash that car, but it all ended up as great videos
The pain of every subaru fanboy when they find out the engines are junk
James: "This was embarrassing and I don't want to constantly relive the moment"
Donut Fans: "This is the content we crave"
Not really, James is cringe and doesn’t really add much to the hi low series.
@@forsakenace9577 Don't say that too loud or Pumphry is will bang your wife/sister/mother and post the video to your facebook.
And after he's done with her, he might come after you too.
@@forsakenace9577 lmaoooooooooooooooooooo 🫡
@@maskedpanda1664
Laugh all you want, it’s just sad people like you find him entertaining
thats the fun in it, the slight cringe hits my spots 🤣
i love the whole team.
some technical stuff, some serious mods, alot of fun, great editing.
I fucking love these episodes! These autopsy pieces where you examine an engine you destroyed in HiLow are so educational! Thanks for more of them!
So the lesson to be learned from this is throw your car into neutral the moment you know you're gonna spin. Especially auto transmissions.
@@TermlessHGW Automatic transmissions aren't as big of an issue thanks to the torque converter. You can have sudden changes in speed and the fluid will absorb most of energy. But with a manual, any sudden changes in speed or direction in the driveline is going straight to the engine through the clutch. That's why you need to engage the clutch pedal in a crash.
HEY BO CURSING DAMNIT
@JackWrath3..I don't know if you'll ever see this, but the only thing you're better at isn't "your" content, it's being a loser 😘
@@Christopher_TG Nothing to do it for you on dry dual clutch autos though :DD
finally this is the type of episodes I look for when watching donut media, you guys are great at explaining both what happened and the process to discover it
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@Jack Wrath gatchalife? this is the wrong place to look for that audience man, you're far out left field, sorry.
@@TDGCmote wrong fking stadium altogether.
@Jack Wrath you are fucking tripping you post Gatcha life 💀
@@TDGCmote I reported him for spamming. You can too.
Justin has definitely found himself in the newer videos. It's great to see his progression.
Love these teardown/autopsy videos. I would happily watch an entire series of you guys getting junkyard engines and digging through their guts!
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@@nathanayers8439 Seconding this, that guys whole channel is this stuff
The upgraded oil pan point was a revelation. Thanks for that. Some of us were assuming that oil starvation was the common denominator, as you well know. Glad you're going through this; nothin isn't content.
Camshaft wear and cam journal wear still say oil starvation
Lets see if they actually upgraded the oil pick up. a killer b pan is pointless without it
all the subaru fanboys were punching air after hearing that
@@themiraimage I'm sure they bought the whole kit
@@JoshRoeloffs never know
Jeremiah is the type of dude to float when he smells a fresh baked pie
Bro this is way funnier than it needed to be. The imagery just kills me😂
Jeremiah the type of dude to roll up to the Donut studio in his steam powered whatchamacallit
Type of guy to close the fridge w a lil hip bump
Y’all are killing me 😂
Jeremiah is the type of dude to close the car door with a slight bump of his ass 😂
“Accidentally going backwards” is what I’m gonna call all of my accidents from now on
P. S.: Justin that “Welcome To Donut” at 00:32 was the smoothest thing I’ve ever heard
@Jack Wrath then why do I have more subs than you
@Jack Wrath Who asked? nobody cares buddy
@Jack Wrath You suck at marketing your channel.
@@BubbleS1 You can report him for spamming
I love to see how Justin is becoming more and more comfortable and his personality is really showing. The Donut Crew is the best!!
I feel like Zach could be a professor in college, and we could all sit in the class not bored for the whole session. 😂
Professor Zach😎🤌🏽
This is the best episode of donut in months!!! More like this!!
Totally agree, was glued to my chair for this one.
I love how the whole this is: structured, shot, explained, the schematics / animations, close up shots, the thoroughness of the autopsy, just absolutely great.
This is a strong reason for me to return to videos from Donut and my willingness to somehow support them monetarily so they might create more stuff like this.
Maybe make a fun shirt out of it, with a drawing of that boxer engine.
Someone holding pieces of that broken timing gear with the text "well, there is your problem!"
A car channel doing car things. Love it.
@Jack Wrath my guy, you have no videos
I just want to say I really appreciate what you guys do. this is stuff my buddies and I figured out over the years. I grew up in BFN and my dad was a mechanic and I picked a-lot of it up from him and used to show my friends who wanted to do car tuning stuff like this. I really love that anyone can now have the ability to learn about cars and racing on a budget. It makes me happy seeing the younger generations keep the motorhead mentality.
You also grew up in BFN (Between Fremont and Newaygo)?!
😂
@@NarwahlGaming more like bum funk nowhere 😂
Love to see Justin continue to get more comfortable on the channel. Great video, really enjoyed this one especially. Good work as always donut!
Like that you explained you had the proper oil pan for racing, I know people had speculated that caused all the engine’s blowing up.
This was a really good episode, I love when you guys do tear downs and explainers
Daddy jobe and Justin doing more technical stuff together is great, we need more of this stuff
I’m sure everyone was so relieved when the boss crashed and none of them 🤣
Also glad y’all were able to salvage the blown budget with a whole lotta vids that wouldn’t of happened 🙏
@Jack Wrath Cool story, bro.
@@pounceblair677 Lol I didn't think of it like that, you're absolutely right. He accidentally employed people better in his field (i.e.racing) than him 😛
Btw- so you're aware it's *'have happened',* not _'of happened'_
@@JustTheWarning How do you know it was accidental?
@JackWrath3..u viewbotting ur vids😭😭 delete ur channel bro
FYI, one of the most basic tenants of aggressive/spirited/track driving, is TWO FEET IN, and don't steer, during a crash. Push in the clutch, push the brakes at the same time, and hold the steering wheel steady.
Most wrecks are made much worse when the engine is still engaged to the wheels (extra forces the tires have to deal with, and as you see in this video, potential engine damage) brakes arent used to scrub speed as much as possible, and the driver wildly turns the steering wheel around to prevent the crash...which usually just Scandinavian flicks the car, flips it, spins it worse...etc.
Love learning how engines work, and more importantly how they fail. Great chemistry between Zach and Justin.
Love when you break something and dig into what happened, its cool learning what went wrong. Thanks for the great content!
It feels illegal to be here so early. 😮
Kind of in disbelief, tbh
I agree
@@blaximum I just wanted to say “1st” in a more fancy way.
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right. i literally just opened youtube
Salute to you mr. Zach i'm an automotive apprentice and i'm learning a lot everytime i watch all of your donut videos! Cheers to Donut!
this show has made me wanting to get back into mechanic school. this show is so good and informative
ikr, I aint even a car guy and I love this channel. They make it informative, but also easy to understand for somebody like me, and keep it light-hearted and entertaining.
1:48 and that’s thanks to them wearing safety gear. Remember guys. We are squishy. Safety gear is designed to keep you safe for a vehicles use. Track cars have a lot of cages and harnesses. Your regular seatbelt works in your daily driver since it’s designed to work with your airbags. Be safe guys
Crazy! I expected WAY worse inside there based on the sound. Too early to tell but it honestly looks like you probably could save the block at least, with a thorough tear down and crank check/rod bearings etc.
The damage of the instance itself isn’t bad, I’d actually be more worried about bearing damage from metal shavings.
With how damaged the cam was (even to the point of being seized), I feel like the rest of the engine may be shot.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 it may be. But if it were my engine I’d probably say it’s at least worth tearing down to see what’s saveable. I expected a lot worse valve to piston contact. It would end up being half a rebuild but if the cylinder walls and the crank are okay (decent sized if imo but plausible) then I’d say that’s a huge dub
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 Nah any shaved material wouldn't have had enough time to circulate. This engine is very savable.
What I'm hearing is ENGINE REBUILD VIDEO!
Yesssssss
Donut media with the Engine biopsy . Love it . Really shows the engineering ability and overall learning experience of what all went wrong and what can be redeemed and learnt from it . Gotta be honest really "expensive" knowledge we learnt from the Subaru hi low season . Saying that , we NEED A NEW HI low SEASON
these autopsy episodes rock - you learn so much
This is actually awesome. So many people have no idea how to diagnose problems. Very educational and helpful. Good job donut dudes
This reminded me of a story i had with my then brother in law who owned a 60's land cruiser (bj40).
We tried to go up a very steep hill in 2nd gear (long), didn't make it and went down backwards. The engine kept running but was coffing and vibrating a lot.
I quickly got to the key and turned the engine off.
Toyota being Toyota, he restarted the engine and it didn't appear to have sustained any damage in the followibg months
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Zach and Justin are an awesome team! Let's see more of them. Informative and fun!
I love how you can see Justin’s growth I remember when he first joined the channel, I’m glad he’s more comfy on camera :)
This was a fantastic video. The content, the chemistry, all of it.
Wow... I have never seen a post incident engine tear down like this before, and learned a couple of tricks for diagnosing issues during a rebuild. Thanks guys!
Brb remixing the sound of that poor boxer trying to start into the hottest bop of 2023
I was wondering what the inside of that engine looked like! Very cool!
I really like these episodes with Zach and Justin. They are always entertaining and informative.
I totally saw that broken allen happening. It's a miracle when you don't have to drill at least one cam sprocket bolt during teardown. ½" drill bit for those curious lol.
The bolt probably had thread lock on it maybe a little bit of heat would have done the trick before breaking the Allen key
@Canada East nah, they're overtorqued from the factory and they just get worse over time with heat cycling and corrosion. Ask any subaru engine builder.
@@pleiadesperformance1170 I’ve never worked on one but I’ll take your word
You need a 10mm hex impact socket made to JIS specs, it fits way tighter. I use this one: Sunex 26495 1/2-Inch Drive 10-mm Hex Impact Socket. You can find it on Amazon. Also a rounded bolt extractor on the outside of the bolt works as well. Use a big impact for all of these, you need strong impacts to break that nightmare loose. Credentials: work on lots of crusty New England subies.
@@koolstuff4koolkids896 same.....NH.
Justin dancing in the dark during the valve autopsy was amazing. Thanks for being you, Justin!
Exact same thing happened to me when I wrecked my 04 STi back in 2009. I lifted while approaching a corner car drifted tail end happy hit a light pole a guard rail then airborne two lanes over to a grass median. The engine survived but terrifying experience. I learned not to lift the hard way.
These engine teardowns are my favorite
The perfect teardown team! Zach and Justin
the low-key oil pan callout 💀
Haha ikr..cant wait for their response
i am so grateful for you guys to experience this, figure out everything possible around it, and then provide how to avoid anything negative in the future. seriously the donut team is a god send in the car community and honestly should hold a higher stake in it's influence asap even though the influence is already pretty massive lmao
I mean I can basically relate to this (without the crash part, sorry james), I was driving on the highway on my way home from a night of very legal activities in Mexico Canada lol, I was driving at about 110km/h or roughly 70 mph when suddenly this heartwrenching noise appears of something smacking something, I hit the clutch and the car shuts off. I try and coast as close to the city as I can in neutral, I pull over and check the engine bay, everything looks ok. I get my dad to come with some ratchet straps in his truck (im in a fully built acura integra with a full jdm itr swap) tows me back home to my garage, then I start to try to figure out what went wrong, and instantly tears start pouring from my eyes, I was 17 years old and I started my project car before I was even old enough to get my drivers license, 15 years old. My dream car was perfect. And I saw the timing belt missing ( I had an exposed camshaft due to stage 2 Cams). I didn't even bother ripping it apart, I knew the motor was full contact, my pistons and valves, R.I.P Edit: Oh and the car had super short gears, so cruising at 68 mph was at 3.8k rpm
Justin is more powerful than all the engines used in this high low season combined 💀
I appreciate yall doing this. I've seen videos saying yall don't know what yall doing. Keep up the great work. Number 1 car channel on TH-cam
The oil pan part was a shot at all the channels that hated on their build 😂
These guys read my mind as I was watching the video... I kept thinking "Well what if" or "How do we check?" and then they instantly answered my question. They went over everything.
This is why we teach our students to put two feet in, clutch and brake. It can prevent this exact issue. Glad you guys diagnosed!
You guys assembled the best and most entertaining team! Amazing job, 🍩!
So glad to see Zach back in the spotlight
Another well presented and produced episode by tradesmen who know their stuff. I really enjoy these videos and I hope they inspire others to become mechanics and mechanical tradesmen. Nice work lads.
To all those that have had issues getting these cam bolts off, you need a JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) 10mm hex impact socket, it fits way tighter than any regular 10mm hex impact socket. I use Sunex 26495 1/2-Inch Drive 10-mm Hex Impact Socket. $10 on Amazon. Another option is a rounded bolt extractor on the outside of the bolt, bolt is soft enough it will dig right in (same reason they are so easy to round). A big impact is a must. Credentials: I work on a lot of rusty crusty New England subies.
nice video, you have salvaged viewers from the Subie community as well as found a way to recoup some lost money on a blown engine by making an extra video about it. that's just good business. Would love to see this level of research done on the other blown engines as well.
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Finally more technical stuff than this list video
This is the best kind of video from you guys! Super interesting stuff! That was one expensive crash. But it's a learning experience. I would have done the exact same thing if I was driving, only difference being that I'd be doing it at half the speed you guys are going lol 😂
@Jack Wrath cringe content bro. You couldn't pay me to sub to you.
@Jack Wrath why haven’t you been fucking banned yet
@Jack Wrath just keep spamming the same stupid comment for a channel nobody cares about
Justin is an awesome addition to the team now he seems more confident 🔥😊
Being a subaru guy, this season of HiLow has been painful due to modification choices and maintinence/building pracices (coilovers vs. upgraded strut/shocks, lack of engine break-in, not upgrading to 6spd in HiCar, turbo choice, lack of platform research of common practice, etc.)
This teardown confirms one of two things:
either the engine was not torn into deep enough to reveal actual issues more significant than a slightly leaky intake valve, or
the engine was scrapped way to early when it had plenty of life left in it. a timing job is about 2 hours for an EJ and $130 in parts.
Just really put a bad taste in my mouth with how the channel has handled this. this series has fallen FAAAAAR below the standard of what Donut is capable of, and honestly, the subaru community has felt disrespected by how "our" cars were handled. I really hope Donut learns from this and hope this is the exception to the rule.
in the clip where yall spun the valve to see if there was osciliation, slowing it down 2x-8x would really emphasis any sort of 'wobble' *thumbs up*
Could we get an up to speed episode of ken block? As a tribute
subaru community took a hit with these episodes . hopefully this redeems a little bit of our reputation
Took a hit (if you want to call it that way) from the people that don't have a clue how Subarus work. The ones who know, know. But props for Donut to bring the whole "autopsy" up for non Subaru connoisseurs.
@@joralex yes, "proper" and "regular" maintenance of a subaru includes aftermarket parts to compensate for shortcomings in engine design. fantastic.
@@joralex Yes exactly. Thank you for speaking truth.
@@no1washerezz hey, are you the guy who was having a go at the BRZ / GR86 for being too expensive to mod (your argument being the masses won't mod them like that), while literally using hypothetical (made-up) track time gains (on a hypothetical made-up track) as a benchmark? You were also having a go at people modding cars in ways you don't like, which is basically how 'the masses' mod cars. Yeah, no one cares what you think.
Subaru punk community is a cult
Mr Subaru better take some of his comments back 😂
Addressing the haters in a fantastic way. Love yall keep up the work fellas!
my ej22 phase 2 single cam "non interference" did the same thing driving at 30 miles per hour. still have the jb weld on the same spot too which is crazy. If furthering the teardown Id def look for wrist pin damage for sure or listen for any clunking with the heads off. I know that's a Subaru thing but ive never seen an engine besides a Detroit do that still run.
Good luck and best wishes looks like she a got a bad jolt from the reverse rotation.
Justin’s grown on me, wasn’t a fan at first but now he’s a verified homie. Keep it up boys
He valid 🤌🏼
I think Justin is really starting to find his stride with donut. Turning into an excellent host.
I know it’s a longshot, but could that gear shattering caused the opposite side of the motor to go out of timing and there is where the loud knocking is coming from? Did you guys pull the other side and look? I mean yes it could be coming from that side but that was really loud and I just thought they’d be more damage.
9:22 I feel a lot better seeing you guys try this, it's the method I tried when trying to find how bad the valves were on my DR650. I figured it was just some hilbilly nonsense but now I see competent people do it, I feel better.
As soon as the rear started to pass the front I was yelling "clutch clutch clutch!" To be fair, something pretty easy to forget I imagine if outside ones comfort zone or what not. A great episode.. I too am less than ideally mobile ATM due to the fact my e90 n55 intake cam gear bolt has snapped, vanos gear failed , timing chain jumped, and cam bearing ledges severely scored. Although in my case it's an auto and happened shortly after startup in neutral. Oil starvation of some sort I imagine.
My dad always told me “If you start to spin, put both feet in” so things like this don’t happen
Yep!
I mean I am still going to stick with Toyotas over Subarus
Sounds like James should never have been behind the wheel to begin with.
James just needs to leave this channel, he’s the one holding them back - the only one who knows nothing about cars at all, jackass can’t even drive them either, why is he here
Hey, Donut
Really loved these two together, they complement each other very well
Great job
Thank you for rehashing this. Mad respect for mastering your mistakes, facing into accountability and flipping a horrible shower memory into views and watch time!!!
0:53, well its a boxer engine
What happened was Donut destroyed a perfectly good EJ25 engine.
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NGL, I've always seen myself as unremarkably straight but seeing you two tearing down this engine while testing your hypotheses DID introduce a little wobble 😂🤡
Excellent video, all. Keep up the great work. You guys are the best.
You all working hard to get content out of the multiple motors one series went through.
Justin is fast becoming my second-favorite Donut, after Nolan. Love you James! Thanks for this cool post mortem!!
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This is a pretty great business model. Do everything you’d do with a project car from buying, modding, driving, breaking and fixing it and make a video about each and get over 1 million views each. Well done Donut
Excellent explanations of the various dissection efforts, and great energy between Zach and Justin. MOre of this type of vid please
Thank you for sharing this awesome upload, it is so good ✌
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Thanks for making this! Sharing this knowledge may have saved at least a couple of us from causing similar damage to our own engines.
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This is the kind of content i love donut for!
Love how they pointed out the baffled aftermarket oil pan. A lot of the naysayers were calling them out for not running those.. well that theory is busted. I am a subie fanboy, but the EJ engine just wasnt designed that well. If you understand its limitations you can build around them to make the motor better, but its just not built like a honda engine.. The abuse those can take set a very high bar.
Great video. These kind of videos are why I watch Donut… I learned a lot.
Every modern EJ in an manual transmission Subaru has belt guides to keep the belt from ratcheting if the engine is spun backwards. Wouldn’t have helped in this instance since the shock killed the sprocket. The composite cam sprockets are notoriously brittle, but they don’t break under normal usage.
The turbo EJs always have impossibly tight cam sprocket bolts. Them seem to tighten themselves. I usually just drill the heads off the bolts, which relieves the tension on the bolt and allows them to be removed by hand. It’s way easier than breaking tools and knuckles trying to remove the impossibly tight bolts.
In James’s defense, anyone who has ever driven a modified, nose-heavy car fast has run into issues with lift-off oversteer. It’s not specifically an AWD thing, it happens in FWD and RWD cars too (although maybe a bit less in RWD since they tend to have more weight in the rear). That’s why cars are typically tuned to understeer so much. He just was unlucky to have it happen in a spot where the car could go airborne. If not for the sideways jump, the car would have probably been fine.
I find these videos so interesting and informative! Nice work Donut!
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