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We converted our HiLow WRXs to E85 fuel to see if more expensive means more better.
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Hi/Low and Money Pit are definitely the best series ever on Donut
Cries in Science Garage
That’s a personal opinion. I really miss up to speed and wheelhouse. I’m sure they can find something to cover on Up To Speed. Like the smart car 🤣
Better than anything on TV, for sure!
@@jamesf456science garage is what got me into cars
@@MrTricksterWins It does depend, Up to speed is just a "the more you know" about the history of specific cars while Hilow is entertaining because they do explain the things that you do from a poor man's build to Rich man's build that can beat super cars with enough money. The thing that is amazing about this show is the struggles and problems they have to go through which is why it makes the series great.
"This transmission days are numbered" says James after blowing 5 engines.
im really happy you guys included the mistake of not plugging in the battery when you could have easily have edited it out. It goes to show that even dudes who do this for a living can have small things get over looked. Such a good series guys.
My wife and I had our car die in traffic earlier today. We got it off the road, And I came back with some tools. I didn't have any fuel pressure. Belatedly I put a half gallon out of the lawnmower gas can in the car. It started right up. The gas gauge showed 1/4 tank, but it was actually empty. At least it was a cheap fix.
@@Oddman1980 on what car?
I immediately said "Damn, dude, get a finer-toothed comb and go over everything in there a second time" lol
I was working on a snowmachine and mutliple times forgot to attach the spark plug wire to the spare plug
working at the dealer for 12 years we would prank other techs (we got paid by the hour and dont have to buy tools or any thing dealer has it)when rebuilding a head and when they would start it for the first time unplug stuff or make a nois with some tools so they think the engine is fucked etc was fun
I’m loving how Donut is revisiting their past HiLow projects! Really highlights how cars can be never ending stories.
True but also really depends on how far you’re willing to stretch your wallet. That first engine woulda taken me out lmao
Day 398 of asking James to do an Up to Speed on his Dad
ALMOST 400!
Jeremy clarkson
Holy shit we need that. But what’s stopping him? 🤨
@@JudeCalhounwould you want to do a video about someone who abandoned you?
Rude to keep asking then, he clearly doesn't want to do so
I just wanna thank yall at Donut for furthering my interest in cars, and making me seriously consider a career in mechanics
try and get an apprenticeship if you can opposed to trade school. or try starting as a lube tech at a dealership. maybe somewhere with easy cars like honda if you have little experience
@@wassupdummy thanks for the advice! I'm just a basic backyard mechanic at this point. If you could, can you explain why an apprenticeship would be better than trade school? I definitely want to get this off the ground one way or another
Tbh best way to do it, community college mechanic classes,UTI or get you a job at O'Reilly's. O'Reillys offers ASE certification classes if you work there you can do them online, make money and work at a auto parts store in which O'Reilly's deal with ALL types of cars and you can be able to see rare parts, most of the time the foreign vehicle,non domestic are a pain in the ass to learn and find parts for. If you can work on European vehicles JDM etc, you pretty much can work your way up from that. You gotta gain experience to show
@@WaySydeBeatsI disagree
@@rejectedbythedevil14yep, but I would also say keep it as a hobby and pursue a more comfortable career that pays just as much or more.
I stumbled on this channel by accident. I don't drive anything cool. And, the only wrenching I do is my oil changes. I love these guys. This is my new favorite thing. James is hilarious, Zach and Jerry always teach me cool stuff and Nolan is absolutely adorable. HiLow is such a great series. Especially liked the Tacos.
Welcome
Check out the up to speed series I feel like that was their golden era.
@s1d3k1ckRO I have watched some of that, they put out really great content, for sure
A good note to add is that the ideal Air:Fuel ratio (stoich) for e85 is 9.8 vs gasoline's 14.7:1. So for the same amount of air moving through the engine you want at least 50% more fuel injected just to not be lean..This means larger injectors are required to hit the same power number as gasoline at the top end. There is also a decent power gain from the additional fuel pulling a lot more heat from the intake air to evaporate, like water/methanol injection.
They added 1300cc injectors which just sounds absolutely insane to me when I've only had small NA engines on pump gas so they did cover that in the Hi car. Wish they showed any tuning involved, I assume they worked with the dyno guy to get a new map down but yeah unless they have a genius ECU would have loved to see the process of getting a nice E85 map down.
When disconnecting fuel lines, you can pull the fuel pump fuse and let it die to reduce line pressure👍
Yep. Even quicker. Pull the fuse and then poke the schrader vavle on the rail.
You can pull the fuse and just turn the car over lol
Only the real ones know you disconnect the rails and injectors under pressure. Gas fight like Zoolander or bust 😤
If you put the car in a vacuum in an instant all the fuel will be removed from the system 👍
@@Ashfielder😂❤
Yesssss. I'm so glad HiLow is back I love this show almost as much as money pit.
I am now old enough to enjoy watching them sink money into money pits vs. me having tried it. I've wasted a lot of money on trying to improve cars, and rarely - beyond suspension/brakes - was it worth it.
@@kingofcrunk4237tires. Tires are also worth.
I mean, the WRX Hi/Low basically is MoneyPit with how many engines they've gone through...
Wish they kept the bike going
@@ittimjonesand brain dead people say Japanese cars are reliable. SMH 🤦♂️
I do appreciate that you’re actually showing them working on the cars to some extent again and talking about the problems that come with it. It makes it much more entertaining
Love the diagrams you guys create e.g. fuel stability. Quick glance and super easy to understand what you're talking about. Whoever creates these deserves a pat on the back. Excellent content.
Agreed!
It makes me so happy to see James wrenching. I remember when he was to worried about doing something wrong to try to help out but as we all learn, doing something wrong is better than doing nothing
If you think he’s doing more than showing off for the video you’re kidding yourself
@@MrPrajitura He's an entertainer not a mechanic. Most mechanics cant string 7 words together.
I thought he started donut so I assumed he wrenched before but I guess not?
@@MrPrajitura any little bit of something and if you read my comment you know that that's better than nothing
Comment I was looking for ‼️
On a serious note, safety glasses when dealing with a fuel system really are important! I've had petrol in my eyes before and it IS NOT a pleasant experience. It stings like HELL!
It's worse if you have contact lenses, too.
@@RandomAxeOfKindness That sounds awful!
Oy I got a bit of petrol in my eye innit
@@ryanoates7672 at least in britain, we had the foresight not to name 2 very different things gas. Especially when one of them is a liquid. Who's dumber?
@@M3PH11 you because you got triggered from internet shit lmao
Brazil knows everything about ethanol SINCE THE 70'S. My grandpa had magazines teaching how to convert hard gasoline engines into alcohol drinkers: cut the the heads (compression ratio goes literally to eleven, anyone?), put parts resistant to water corrosion (because ethanol decays into water), change timings, spark plugs, distributors, pumps, carbs, (HEY, CARBURETORS BACK THEN, REMEMBER THOSE?) and all the shenanigans to make it happen.
So happy Hi/low is back, only difference is this time I can use your guys videos to add the mods onto my 06 STI, absolutely love the Hawkeye! Looking forward for the next video!
If you using a file around sensitive areas like a gas tank that you dont want metal shavings
Put a strong magnetic 🧲 on the file to catch the shavings
I did wonder if all those filings and the dust (visible when he was shaking the fuel pump around on first extraction) were going into the fuel tank? I wouldn't consider it a major problem but definitely something to be avoided if possible
@@DjDolHaus86fuel filter
Or just buy a new hat and do it right
*laughs in aluminium 😅
@@nzponch *Coughs in copper
I’m SO glad to see Donut cover this. I’ve wondered about E85 conversion for so long
It's a great mod for little engines with a lot of boost (like every WRX ever)
E85 is ok for some cars, but if it's a direct injected motor do not do it! Most direct inject motors injectors are plastic internals and e85 absolutely destroys everything plastic in the fuel system. My saying is "if you can't afford to build a motor you can't afford e85". Also stay the hell away from cheep fuel like Costco and Sam's club its shit, we have had customers not even make it out of the parking lot after getting fuel.
@@grantmace4955 If you're doing an e85 mod with stock plastic injectors, you're doing it wrong. Change those puppies out!
@pocketpc_ ya I know your supposed to, but you would be surprised how many idiots come into are shop that don't know that, plus the bmw guys get sad when they find out the injectors that they actually need cost more then there downpipe, tune and intercooler that they just put on. In the last 6 months we have had about 10 to 12 guys with bmws come in with stuck injectors that blew up the engines on e85. But I think the best is will my car pass smog on e85, no it won't its tuned
@@grantmace4955 Thanks man!! I’ve actually got an E36 so that’s good to know about the bmws 😂
Love the high/low series, it's some of the best stuff Donut puts out, but I do miss my B2Bs. Love watching everything y'all put out when I come home from work :D
Really glad to see the WRXes revisited. This series has really made me miss my 2004 WRX wagon, though...
E85, or "fire water," as I like to call it, makes SUCH a big difference in performance in my Focus ST. I run an E85 blend, around E30 (30% ethanol), and just by switching fuel and tunes, it's about a fifty horsepower difference. Pretty wild. My MPG's have absolutely tanked.
Smiles per gallon
Ethanol converts to water so it's not very good for daily driving. They started putting 5 and 10% ethanol in the gas in Europe. It kills motors.
@@eggertrpetthere’s 10% ethanol in the majority of “normal” gas pumps in the us. 10% does not kill motors, nor is it bad for daily driving. You probably have it in your car right now
@@eggertrpetit's actually better to daily drive it than let it sit if it uses e85
I would love to do at least an E30 blend in my Speed3, preferably do the work to go full E85 with an auxiliary setup. But the closest gas station that sells E85 is like 40 miles away. 😂
HiLow never disappoints
But some hates them, especially subaru fanboys 😅
@@Andy.Kobayashi what? Who? where?
I like living vicariously through your hi-low series. Now I don't need to rip apart my S197's fuel rails/injectors/pump and harness. I just get the satisfaction from y'all lmao.
Love this episode! hope every project cars in Donut get driven actively
hitting up the old hi low cars is awesome! love watching these vids
I wish their videos were longer and showed more of the modification process on the car
I am currently playing your playlist in the crew and all I got to say is that you guys are doing amazing in the car community keep up the great work you guys are BEASTS p.s let me keep that Subaru 😂😂
Here in Brazil, alcohol fuel (from sugar cane) has been widely used for almost 40 years and for good times, mainly by those who want more power, where the combustion of engines is cooler, better stoichiometry, better compression ratio and adjustment in In general, even high-octane gasoline is less polluting.
I have a FFV. I noticed that going from 87 to 89 (basic to midgrade) nets me almost +1 MPG, however the cost difference does not fully pan out. I started experimenting, and found out that a 1:4 blend of E85 and 87 octane makes ~90 octane and i get my +1 for, and sometimes cheaper than just straight 87. Fuel lamp comes on, 4 gallons of corn, and 12 gallons of regular.
If you have a flex fuel I highly recommend giving this a go.
87 octane has more energy than 89 octane.
Try running 89 or 90 octane ethanol free gas!
James actually doing something? I’m so happy to see that, James is my fav host and seeing him working is cool
Love the build videos. Keep going boyz
Just gotta thank Donut for helping me get my drive back to do more work on my car. You guys are awesome. Keep up the great work.
Loved the Halo shields recharge sound when Nolan put on his safety glasses.
i knew i heard that
James’ confidence working on sensitive parts has come such a long way since the 350 days
Love it, comedy with car building. Great combo!! These guys are hilarious.!🤣
Been running E85 for about 7 - 8 years now on my car. It's flex fuel tuned, so it can run on other types of fuel, which, if you're daily driving is a big bonus in terms of mileage and cost.
Any video with James is a great one
I would love to see a HiLow where each team have a total budget and have to choose parts (and maybe cars) to install based on that budget.
Glad to see yall back in the Subi set. Would still love to see a guest appearance by one of the major Subi YT guys... Smeedia, Bader, etc. Tanner would actually fit right in with the squad.
good to see you guys haveing fun with the subarus again after your rocky start with them.
seems like they are growing on you.
Love this project.
I live in Germany and tuned my cbr1000rr with Dynojet 5 and the secondary module to run it with E85. For me its important to have fun but be also responsible for saving the environment at the same time. E85 is also a problem with the low temperature.
My 1995 Mercedes T1 also runs with vegetable oil.
I try my best.
Just be aware that the idea that ethanol is better for the environment is not really true when you get into all the externalities involved in creating it. The amount of corn used is absolutely massive and all that corn requires large amounts of mostly petroleum based fertilizer to grow and it's then harvested by mostly diesel powered equipment. At the end of the day I think that ethanol mainly exists as a subsidy for American corn growers to give them a consistent inflated market to dump their product on. The emissions from burning ethanol in an engine aren't really any cleaner than hydrocarbons assuming it's a modern engine with a standard catalytic converter.
@@TheCoon1975 + water consumption and soil depletion
@@TheCoon1975he lives in Germany, who imports Ethanol here from Sweden often(cant be sure what he runs). Which is mostly made from waste products from the forest industry for example. Its very environmental friendly compared to some other solutions.
@@garagecedric Eh I mean it's cool if you're using waste products to create it and that does help stretch the petroleum supply out a while longer but I'm not sure that the emissions are any better than hydrocarbons, you're still creating the same amount of greenhouse gas once you burn the stuff.
Hope you went through a few full fuel tank cycles with the same e85 to ensure the ECU adjusts the timing to its fullest. Also, it should be pointed out that lowcar might've gotten one less hp, but it's a 20.9% increase compared to high car's 17% increase from 405hp.
What do you mean? Like if they didn't drain the tank? IIRC those subaru ECUs do not adjust timing on the fly when flashed, or otherwise. Thats what the tuner is for. I also winced that they didnt talk about rescaling the fuel tables with updated numbers for the larger injectors. Depending on the jump in fuel flow and injector type, you can do catastrophic damage to your build...
Also...E85 is RARELY actually 85% ethanol, even the summer blend. I think over 4 years of daily driving an E85 car across multiple states, the highest I ever saw was 81% it was usually 75-79% at the sensor.
@@mm6705 I did not consider the flashed ecus. I was thinking of subarus adjusting their timing for knock correction from factory. I had a noticable difference when I filled up 98 octane vpower coz I usually use 102 octane. The ecus take a few fuel cycles (filling up and driving it empty) to adjust properly.
Dude !!!!!!!! These guys just explain stuff so much easier than other guys on TH-cam like fr fr ‼️💯
Yo Pumphrey, you been workin' out? You look GREAT bro! Keep doin' what you're doin' man, great job!
Your skin and build are both the best I've ever seen on you, great job boss👍 💯
I hope you have forged internals ready because stock internals won't hold the power you're making, same with the 5 speeds
Laughs in Josh Bader
Unsure if they went forged when they rebuilt it 673 times but I’d hope they did, but ya, 5mt days are numbered haha, ty85 6 speed inbound hopefully
@@jeremiahjorenby2275 Bader is a wizard hes the only exception 😂
You guys should do an episode on why modern cars get more power with the same amount of fuel than old ones.
They actually just that did basically! Check out yesterday’s video on the 100 year old car, they breaks down the same concept there and explain why modern cars are so much more efficient in terms of power.
@@marcusd745 oh cool thanks
@@marcusd745100yr old car with a massive airplane engine. Rule of cool says it's the more efficient motor.
but they dont ........ it really comes down to the model . also the record holding engine for most power per liter ever was a bisimoto build of a 91 honda accord single cam vtec engine its record still hasn't been beaten and that engine design has been around since the mid 80s
More power because of higher compression
@5:55 changing glasses with the halo shield recharge sound.. nice
Yes! More HiLow content!
Donut, doing the research for us! Great team!
I want to see Nolan get the high car in these challenges for once
We don’t have e85 at the pump in most parts of Canada. But my company is the Canadian distributor for Gulf race fuels. I sell tons of E85 and E98 fuel to tuner shops. Our E85 and E98 is ethanol and race gas, not pump gas. It makes BIG power with the right tune.
More HiLow please! I'm mainly subscribed so I don't miss if you upload something like this lol
Donut never disappoints
Except for their choice of cars to work on
They disappoint supporting EVs 😂
They do
Clearly you haven't seen the reception of Stockys.
Except Up To Speed isn't here anymore, I agree.
Wish E85 was accessible in the UK, got a Mustang GT arriving and the FBO E85 setups are insane!
E85 is not accessible in the U.K.? Didn't know that.
@@chrisginoc We don't have the same massive corn lobby here, we've only just introduced E10. Also as it's "up to 10%" testing has found most E10 is below that, what it does mean is cars and logistics are ready that if the oil price rockets more Ethanol can be added.
@@chrisginoc yeah, very hard to get outside of drums of Sunoco at hundreds of £ for 50L, to my knowledge no pump E85 in the UK at all ☹️
@@chrisginoc Same for Canada no acces to E85, we only have 94 oct
@@wraithcadmusThat's kinda funny cause in the US, basically all gas has up to 10%, maybe 15% can't remember, ethanol in it unless otherwise specified. Amber waves of grain and whatnot
For those of you in the comments who don’t know (like me a couple weeks ago), wheel horsepower is different from crank horsepower. It’s different because the power at the crank is unfiltered, whereas at the wheel there is some loss. The power loss is common and there are various levels of it.
Here’s bhp vs whp for various drivetrains
FWD: 1.1/1
RWD: 1.15/1
AWD: 1.2/1
AWD Loses the most power because it has the most moving parts. If we were to apply the logic, and given that the WRX comes with AWD, then that means…
LoCar: 393 awhp = 471.6 bhp
HiCar: 474 awhp = 568.8 bhp
Of course these numbers are not exact because some transmissions transfer power more efficiently than others, but this is a general rule of thumb.
Also, if you look at Nolan at 13:29, you can see he want’s to be on HiTeam at that moment when the turbo spools in HiCar.
I tell Ya, after over 30+ years of working on cars I really Prefer just Driving my 2020 Subaru STI and mentoring people and watching other people work on Cars. 👍😁
I love the Hawkeye WRX/STI, personally it is the 2nd best looking STI, Right after the 2000 Subaru STI, Sadly never came to the U.S, but I have the 2nd best think a 2000 2.5RS which looks completely the same except the 2.5RS has Fog Lights. I really love rhe fact that I only put a Downpipe, K&N AirFilter, Modified the Air Box, a Cobb Tuner and had my 2019 STI Pro-Tuned and made 400 H.P. Crazy how far the Tech has Come Since the Hawkeye STI. One of the best Parts about the 18-21 STI Is the Stock Transmission will Handle 1000HP. Unfortunately some A-Hole ran me off the Road and Totaled my 2019 STI, Thats why I'm driving a 2020 STI Completely Stock, expect a K&N Air filter. Still have 310 HP Stock. Still Plenty Fun in the Twisties. 👍😁
Babe wake up, donut just dropped another hi-low video
Nothing better than getting food delivered, refreshing youtube as you prepare to eat and seeing a donut video
Love from 🇳🇬
Build it correctly the first time is the best advice I’ve ever given on this channel I built my fox body👈 with the factory block that came in the car to 600 wheel (over the forbidden 600 flywheel) horsepower with a Paxton supercharger almost 15 years ago and I drive her hard and she holds together and it’s put on 20k+. When I built it I put the absolute best parts that were available in the market at the time in the motor and it works I’ve only opened it once and that was to change the Fel-Pro head gaskets out to Cometic because when we were putting the engine together the first time we could not get a hold of Cometic gaskets
Zack is on point with all the mechanical work..... Except for plugging the battery back in
Y’all should do a high low but with drag racing. A good car would be 96-98 mustang gt’s
Yall should buy a new car and an old car of the same model. Then throw money at the old car so that it costs the same as the new car and compare the two.
Wish these sort of shows would talk about torque numbers. That said I've ran my daily gti on straight e85 for about two years now with just great results.
I'm so glad this series is still going!
Even though these Subarus keep trying to self destruct, like mine they keep making content with them! how awesome.
little correction: the stoich ratio of E85 is much lower than gasoline, meaning you can stuff in much more fuel for the same amount of air, so the end result is you have more energy available per revolution, even if it is less energy dense for an identical quantity. The added fuel cools the combustion making it less likely to detonate, so you can add boost and timing, so more bang from that as well.
what was the convo like on the editing floor for hi-car's start up with james spinning the ratchet in his mic? lmao great vid as always guys
Need more of these videos
Love those lifts in the lot. Great video!
I think a salvage to rebuilt series would be awesome if you guys see this and are looking for some new projects. Also, my green corduroy Donut Racing Hat is dope!
This is the content i subbed for. More hi/low, more money pit plz ❤
The dude just chillin on spa at 10:40 made me lol.
Can't wait to see the STI 6-speed conversion on Hi-car! One element of Subaru ownership that Hi-Low missed (in my opinion) is the "car Lego" aspect of buying an old WRX / Legacy / whatever and taking advantage of the Subaru parts bin to upgrade your car with parts off different Subarus. So many people have shown incredible creativity over the years to make these cars faster, stronger, or just to bring them back from the dead better than they were before. I think once you guys get a taste of that modification experience you might understand why people get so into these cars despite all the things that can go wrong. (I'm sure Justin would agree, after all, making parts meant for other Subarus fit your Subaru is like, Chapter 1 of SVX ownership 😅).
So happy to see these cars back at it again
"it pulls like a taffy maker" was *chefs kiss*. reminds me of the random stuff the top gear trio used to say
The next thing these will need are beefy transmissions. Wrx like to shred gears around the 350+ range. The 5 speed is made of glass. The STI 6 speed is solid, but it has different gear ratios so you would need the rear diff as well
such a beautiful video props to you guys👍✌
Another problem with E85 beside the increased fuel consumption is availability. If you can only run E85, you are now leashed to a certain area and likely are places you cannot go with said vehicle because it isn't available
Donut's videos are super good, i can see why they're so popular
Loving the background sound effects :)
I have a Ford truck that can run on E-85, I hadn't ever tried to use the stuff before I bought this truck. I was surprised to feel a noticeable difference in power using E-85, but now I know it's not out of the ordinary.
Love the donut box animation at the end
5:00 tab islands, if I get my hands on this I’ll eventually have the whole internet open on my browser 😂😂
There is a video I can’t find that has some guys taking a stock old Chevy truck, early 90s model I think, and all they did was add E85 and tune. The stock numbers were pretty lame but just with the E85+tune they almost tripled the power. Obviously the entire drive train would destroy itself quickly if they drive it like that, but it was impressive. I think they upgraded the injectors and pump also. Wish I could find the video.
The Captain Falcon "Yes!" at 2;30 got me lmao
If you have trouble unhooking the fuel lines, try warning up the fitting with a lighter. Works every time.
i’ll be running pump 93 on a 12.5:1 comp FA20. goal is 400whp for now, and 600whp when i’ve got the whole drivetrain strengthened + e85. i’m running a 6266 gen 2 precision turbo
Not the Halo shield recharge sound when Nolan changed his glasses 😂
That point about E85 having worse efficiency is really important, because power in an engine is about how the engine can control the burn, not how much energy the fuel itself contains. I see so many people suggesting various explosives as fuel additives and I'm sat here like "Do you want to throw a rod?"
i really liked the halo shield recharge sound at 5:53 lmfao
Always entertaining and educational, thanks
I don't know if you have it on there or not but please install the coolant 4 mod and IAG oil pickup feed. They are mandatory. Especially if you don't want to blow these cars. Engine up another three times or ever many times they've blown up. I own a Hawkeye STI so I'm pretty experienced and the reason you probably had so much bad luck is cuz you got to spend as much as a turbo kit on stuff. Subaru should have put on the car to begin with before you add any power but those are the two big ones. Take it or leave it, but don't be surprised if it blows up without those two mods especially
Kinda cool seeing the heat dissipation of the brakes around 13:53. Overall a cool video that explains the changes needed for E85 and the benefits of it.
What? Do you mean the reflection of the orange WRX? lol
After looking at it, you're right. Didn't notice they were driving the orange one next to it but you can see the orange flash in other areas. Good catch.@@MuitoDaora
I'm glad they have the long-hair around to do all the actual mechanic stuff.
I just got a 2020 STI less than 2 months ago and so glad to see these 2 cars return!!
I’ve seen a few people begging for a new Hi-Low special… I bet this makes em real happy!
Do a HiLow season on Classic Muscle cars for either drag racing or modernization.
Love your content, guys
Finally some nice video for a change instead of doing adverts vids
Thank you Donut, these two scoobies are what I’d love to if I had the money. You’re living my dream, which means I can spend my money on beer ( kids, house, Mrs, car, workvan and bikes )
1) Awesome! 2) how many more engines y'all gonna eat! 3) are trans updates coming? Sequential box time :D I am curious to see Low's option.