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Question: Are you still doing the stream to talk about extra game content for EL? I'm really hoping you don't do it in the morning or during a time I wouldn't be able to watch and post my ideas.
Goal: Becoming friends with pokemon all over the world. Consequences for failure: none? Analysis: No stakes, no drama. Not memorable. Waste of a character. There is no danger to brave, there are no obstacles to overcome. Proposal: Change the goal to one which would have stakes. Suggestion 1: Give the rival a goal to capture a one-of-a-kind pokemon that no one else has (such as a legendary) so that hey can distinguish themselves from other trainers. Consequences for failure mean s/he is just another trainer. Some, but not a lot of drama. Suggestions 2: Suggestion #1, but they want THE legendary that the story revolves around. Now, they have personal stake in the decisions that the story's antagonists make, tying them to the damn plot! Suggestion 3: Rival wants to sell slowpoke tails. That would literally be more interesting than vanilla rival goal, I don't even need to explain!
Hey, sir I too am working on a ROM hack that's going to make the game more difficult overall. I just started but the first battle your rival now has 2 pokemon the first is a load at level 5 and the 2nd is the opposite starter at level 7. I moved stab moves to 8 so avoid a completely unfair fight when you have only 1 mon and gave their starter an oran berry for recovery. Im working on route 101 now though. The goal is for the elite 4 and champion to use level 90-100s and ramp all trainer difficulties up as well as wild encounters in general. I did Norman just now he now has a full team of 6 and runs a double battle leading with smeargle and vigoroth, he has a slaking still, kekleon, and a buffed up Wigglytuff since you can get Jigglepuff in the base game. I've also buffed all available final evolutions to be within 50 points of the modern average 3rd stage evolution that I intentionally set to lower than what it is at to a middle average of 515 bst. All starters now have equal final bst of Swaperts 535 and coincidentally that's what Wigglytuff is at with its HP unchanged but now 105 attack and 90 defenses. I want this game to make me suffer im still working on the levels of each trainer and gym leader as I go. I'm thinking a good average to be 10 x the gym number. Norman is 4th so he should be using 4x pokemon up to 8x for the final gym. That should make transitioning to the Elite 4 pretty smooth only needing to grind out 10 levels and no longer being able to catch raquaza ad expecting a sweep. And screw balance I made Flygon and Aggron both Psuedo Legendary pokemon. Flygon has similar stats to Salamance but trades raw damage for more speed and is a bit more frail. Aggron is now pure steel along with its pre evolutions and focuses on bulk with moderate damage. The lowest attack stat amongst all Psudeo legends but by far the bulkiest. Also May/Brendon will gain 2 more pokemon each battle. Final battle will be a double and very challenging. Wally will be an absolute menace in victory road. 2nd battle will be quite a leap as well but not as tough as may at that time. May add more battles with him as the story progresses as well.
You know, Wally trained with Norman and was also the one to awaken Rayquaza in the manga. A double battle with him and norman or him helping you to catch Rayquaza could be nice postgame nods to that.
I think that Zinnia as an ORAS nod is already involved in the Rayquaza encounter. There's not a bar on manga-inspired stuff, but from what I remember of the discussion surrounding Flannery's grandpa as a cameo, it's not a source for storyline changes.
idk milotic feels like such a "power" pokemon since its good and is so well known for 2 champion teams in a row. its rare, but more of the "rare strong pokemon" type instead of the "rare collectors pokemon" type like the safari pokemon
Finally, lore accurate Wally. I think the main rival could be used for more utility in the postgame, helping you find rare pokemon, and potentially giving the player some, basically making them a vital part of completing the Pokedex.
I would rather have this. Have them give hints on rare locations of pokemon. He/she shows you one after a Pokedex milestone. Thus unlocking the location/item to catch the rare Pokemon.
For Wally Post game, he should be fought before EVERY Elite 4 rematch, almost like Silver in GSC. In addition, I think the best thing that I have ever seen was the Wally ORAS team after the large win streak in the Battle Maison because they have great abilities, great held items, & a stellar moveset while all being dual type pokemon with no overlapping types. He needs that rematch Elite Four team to be all dual type with no overlaps that posed a damn good challenge
To double down, here's an idea for Wally's post game team: Altaria, Magneton, & Roselia can stay Add in Walrein, Claydol, & Tyranitar The types not used of the 17 are Normal, Bug, Fight, Ghost, & Fire
Silver isn't fought before every E4 rematch. He only challenges you on certain days. By contrast, Wally *can* be fought before every E4 rematch, it's just optional rather than mandatory.
While one more battle is nice, I think what I'd like most with Wally is for us to be given hints that he's actually training and has already been there. Something like when you defeat a random trainer saying "Oh you're as strong as that guy with the Gardevoir." Or your father having dialogue after you defeat him saying "Looks like you're in the running to become a champion just like Wally." And so keeping with Gamefreak's intentions in their design.
Interestingly enough, this does remind of what they did with another gen 3 NPC. The Winstrate family will mention that the older brother is out training to become champion and is far stronger than all of them, and you then fight him (cooltrainer vito) in victory road.
I am surprised you skipped the fact that Azumarill is a Pokémon that is already *kinda* associated to Wally, most specifically his cracked rematch team from the ORAS Battle Maison. I dunno if that was intentional or not
For the main rival, instead of a post game rematch, I think it would be cool to have them offer trades to the player. They could give rare Pokémon or Pokémon with egg moves to show how they’re studying Pokémon. It might also be interesting to make them a low ranked trainer in contests to show how they’re exploring their passions but contests don’t really click with them either.
For May/Brendan's post game fight, you could mirror the post game fight they did in ORAS, so if you meet them on the top of Rt 103 where you met, you could have a final hurrah with their strongest team. As for Wally, I think having him go to the Battle Frontier would be sick. Also in ORAS, but I think he should show up here and battle you, and then maybe you can find him later in Petalburg at his family's house where he can challenge you to a final fight
Indeed think It’d be cool if Wally were to meets you on the ship ride to Battle frontier an you battle him either on the boat, Or once u depart in the battle frontier somewhere.. after you unlock the johto starters he’s there at the lab getting starter himself maybe either the unclaimed starter for instance if u picked cyndaquil he picks chickorita while May gets totodile.. when the elite four level up for the rematch you battle him again before you battle them except when you meet battle him he has a fully evolved starter himself this time. You’ll meet May in the Altering Cave with a Venusaur or blastoise maybe a Snorlax etc maybe either she or Wally shows up in the trainer hill with the remaining lati twin you don’t choose.
This video was a little strange. I could have sworn that during the game the player more or less bullied May/Brenden out of becoming a trainer and making them only focus on bein a professor. Am I bugging or am I remembering another pokemon game?
I know Steven is the normal superboss in Emerald, but maybe you could bring Wally in for a similar situation. Perhaps have him visiting his parents and he can optionally be fought there like Cynthia in Black and White. Another idea is to have him replace Wallace as Champion in Elite Four rematches while Wallace is fought as a superboss himself in the Cave of Origin.
Wallace was downgraded to 8th gym like in RS for Emerald Legacy and Steven is the champion, so having Wally as the superboss would actually be perfect!
For May/Brendan's post game, something to keep in mind is that if the two of them are serious about completing their pokedex, they need to get all 8 badges, as there are 8 HMs that they'll need badges to unlock the use of. If you were to have a post-game encounter which involves running into them when they're out doing fieldwork, you could include some of those HM moves on their team, to show that they were out there doing work, not out there with a competitive team (while still balancing it to make it difficult enough to be a satisfying post-game encounter)
I don't really feel like the 8 hms and their badge requirements really exist in-universe the same way they do for us as a gameplay mechanic. We see the rival fly away after the battle outside the department store, but no version of the rival team's swellow knows fly, just as an example.
@@Galeus708 I like this idea.. I’d say maybe we can have you encounter them out in about while exploring the region via Secret Bases…or houses… maybe smith can have some of the homes in game repurposed to house notable ppl for instance have one of the blocked homes in sootopolis be Wallace’s house. Have one of the house in mauviille belong to Watson I’d say the house across the bike place that’s sort of blocked off right next to the house to get rock smash from …maybe Winona’s secret base could be above the waterfall by the weather institute ..maybe Wally could be somewhere in or around the verdenturf tunnel.
I don't know if this is even doable, but since the main rival wants to become a professor, I like the idea of giving them a helper role as a replayable, once a day battle. They will ask you what kind of Pokemon you want to battle against and have a full team of six of whatever type you select, so it's like they get to show off their impressive collection and you get to practice against a certain type. Maybe you get a little treat treat after beating every type. Maybe not. At the very least, this actually makes them a major grass type trainer if you select grass.
I really like this idea. I was gonna suggest that the May/Brendan fight could also include Pokémon from other regions, to show off how they’ve gone out to find rare Pokémon from places outside the Hoenn region, giving the player a sense of how far they’re willing to go to find new Pokémon. It would also have the added benefit of helping the player see more Pokémon. Alternatively, the rival could also help the player find some of the Pokémon they might have missed before beating the elite 4? Idk how they’d implement that as a feature, though… 🤔
I like the idea of being able to practice against a type, but I think having a team entirely of one type would be too easy of a battle for that point in the game, and I also think it goes against the entire idea of a rival. Obviously gym leaders and E4 members have type themes, but the most difficult fights usually don’t (the Champion). Someone who is your rival should realistically be using their best team possible in every fight against you, not handicapping themselves. Otherwise they’re not a rival, they’re just another trainer. I know the word ‘rival’ has become almost a meme in Pokémon games because of how friendly they always are to the protagonist, and how they usually work in tandem with the protagonist in the main storyline (literally not a rival by the definition of the word, rivals don’t work _together_ towards a goal), but I really think they should be actual rivals. That doesn’t mean they need to be rude, they can still be friendly, but they should really be trying to beat you at all costs, at all times. Otherwise, don’t call them a rival. Your idea is still good, I just don’t think it should be the rival offering those types of matches.
@@artistfloor9 Right! Like I feel like their personality is kind of "I like battling, but I don't want to do it competitively." I think something like this is perfect post-game content because it's all about showing off game content and doesn't really change anything fundamentally.
Post Game Wally. While you’re running around if doing all your post game shenanigans, Wally decided he’s learned everything he can in Hoenn and decides to go travelling to a different region. Near the end of the post game you meet up with Wally who’s just returning from Kalos. He challenges you to a battle and you’re surprised when his Gardevoir Mega evolves! This is how mega stones are introduced to the Hoenn region in ORAS. I know, never going to happen, and outside of the scope of the game but it’s a neat idea that could catch you off guard and ties into the future games well.
My only real suggestion for Wally’s Post Game Team is replace his Delcatty with Exploud. Aside from Gabby and Ty, Whismur doesn’t appear on any significant Trainer Teams. Plus, it’s found in Rusturf Tunnel, right by where Wally stayed with his Aunt and Uncle.
For Post Game Wally, I do think leaning into making him very competitive like they did in ORAS would be cool. His ORAS team was Roserade, Talonflame, Azumarill, Magnezone, Garchomp and Gallade, which Talonflame and Garchomp were serious competitive threats in Gen 6. For Legacy obviously the Gen 4 evolutions won’t work, but maybe adding some Gen 3 competitive staples like adding Tyranitar, Aerodactyl, Gengar, Snorlax or Herracross to really show how serious of a battler Wally has become.
For the post game, May/Brendan should have extremely rare Pokemon: a sudowoodo since there's one in the Battle Frontier, Milotic, Relicanth, a high level wynaut (holding liechi Berry) from Mirage Island, and a medicham since they're unavailable in normal emerald Wally can have the same team, but with competitive movesets / EVs. It'd keep his love for his original pokemon in tact while showing he's taking training his pokemon seriously, as it'd imply he actually farmed berries to reset their EVs, EV trained, and got the TMs or visited move tutors for their movesets
I like this idea! I don’t agree with her specifically using milotic.. as an example. Normally I’d be fine suggesting her team may have Hoenn Pokémon that Emerald Specifically cuts out of the game roster Like Surskit/Masquerain Meditie/Medicham Roselia Zangoose Lunatone.. but since they can be found in game idk if I see the merit in suggesting that. I’m open to ideas I would like that outside fortree city when u battle her she has a feebas & kecleon! In front of the dept. store Mays got a chimecko since it’s like a 2% shot of catching one on mount pyre. Later on Or ..she could either have Latios/latias or a shiny Or we could stick her a uncommon Pokémon mawhile Nosepass wigglytuff slakoth snorunt ..if Smith didn’t mess with the encounter rates I’d have said Surskit. Maybe we battle her outside the Safari Zone once it’s been Expanded She could have a snubbull gligar… The rarest has got to be a level 5 Gyarados. Technically levels 6-19 are just as rare, but 5 is the lowest level you can legally obtain a Gyarados If you go to Sootopolis and use the Super Rod, there is a 20% chance to find a Gyarados. They can appear at any level from 5 to 45.. the lowest one I’ve ever caught was LV8, 10, 12… an I’ve had the game for a super long time. Or we stick with the original team but have her have all 6 Swellow Camerupt Macargo Wailord Breloom STARTER but have her pop up like Ty & Gabby all over the Region with her pkmn getting higher every few battles..an some getting swapped out depending on location. Torkoal Ludicolo Pelipper Tropius Macargo STARTER
@@Xeno_Solarus it is rare but it just doesn’t suit may imo..it’s more Juan’s style..beside it’s uniquely Wallace’s the CHAMPIONs Ace.. I feel like that would sort of undercutting him or be stealing his thunder imo. Besides Speaking of the battle frontier why not give her Smeargle instead.. Besides you can say the same thing about Castform or Metagross Which would go against what legacy is trying to do imo. But it’s your idea I get it.
It's crazy how goated Gary/Blue was as a rival. First try and they nailed it. I feel like it makes future rivals feel lesser. I don't think we would mind Brendan/May being weaker rivals if we didn't have such a good example already.
Fighting blue as champion for the very first time was definitely something. I expected elite 4/ champion. I was down to my final Pokémon, no items, no revives. Nothing. So when I was told there was one more, and that it was HIM of all people, I knew it was over. “That means I’m the strongest trainer in the world”.
@@TheKabuto90 I think it’s not the character they nailed, but what the rival archetype represents. Blue functions as a test of skills (him being someone with just as much experience as you). While the character is bland, it gives off the feeling of being in a rivalry.
@@TheKabuto90That is the whole point, Blue is a cocky asshole who thought he was so great and can do anything himself. He was build to be disliked so much so the final fight as the new champion with him losing to you have such a big impact on both him and yourself. That huge defeat is what at the end changed Blue into a better person. True he is still cocky at times, but he isn’t much of a bully. Both Blue and Silver didn’t have any love and trust for their Pokémon which caused them to lose in the biggest match for them.
May/Brendan post-game could include a Gold/Silver-like catching contest in the safari zone to underline their compassion for/expertise in researching new pokémon (aaand after E4 there would be new pokémon in the safari zone i guess?). I always considered Wally as more of a friendly rival (see the catching tutorial as opposed to GSC rival being introduced as a thief), so i feel like his post-game should include some kind of co-op-mission including double battles. story-wise i guess i'd be fine with both something fun but challenging like "you have to win 5 battles in a row against the winstrate family" or something more serious (but also challenging^^) like some kind of return of Shelly and Tabitha trying to revive the two teams (this second option would require a lot more effort obviously but i feel like it could be enjoyable to 3rd gen fans to simply have more than 8hrs of storyline). (anyway thanks for your effort, i'm enjoying the videos and looking forward to the results...)
I love the fact that you actually gave Wally a full team of six! So many important battles in pokemon are ruined by the fact that while you have a full team the other trainers only use 4 or 5 mons. Also I'm curious about the picks for the Elite four since Hoenn dex is really lacking in their types.
@@machinat3636 I think Ninetails would work Better because it would cover more types and is a general far Better mon than Chimecho (being a psychic type doesn't help at all). You can also find Vulpix at MT. Pyre so It makes also sense if we talk about Phobe's lore.
@@lunicouomopiccione1501 yeah I agree.. with you but it’d need its moves adjusted slightly give it access to ghost/psychic type moves maybe..I’d like it with Spite Confuse Ray Extrasensory Flamethrower…access to calm mind psych up solar beam, hypnosis dream eater would be cool.
@@JayClearman411 a really viable set could be Fire Blast for heavy stab damage, Hypnosis/ Will O'Wisp, Hidden Power Grass at 70 Power, Extrasensory because there aren't other aviable offensive options in gen 3. The Item should be Charcoal because of Fire Blast (gen 3 really lacks in items) de and the Ev Investment should be 252 SpA, 252 Spe and 4 in Hp.
For me, Wally in RSE was always insanely forgetable, and I only gained respect for him in ORAS. This was in large part thanks to his encounter in Victory Road being treated as a larger event, with his own room and theme music which also played during his battle. So if I could provide any suggestion, it would be to give him his own theme music based on his theme from ORAS, but I understand if that's far beyond the scope of this romhack. Other than that, a small thing that ORAS did to foreshadow Wally was to put his name on the Gym statues in each gym in the Certified Trainers section, showing that he has beaten them before you. I feel like this would be a neat addition, as I doubt many people would even notice that but it would be a nice surprise for those who do.
"There's not much difference between the two rivals" Not true. If you play as May, Brendon makes comments about how he thought you'd be a guy just cause you're a gym leader's kid. He also has other dialogue later that suggests he looked down on you for being a girl, but no longer feels this way
Definitely could use some more dialogue to set them apart for sure! Give them some more personality too. Like maybe May’s a tomboy while Brendan likes cute things
@@marinagaleotti If you pay attention to the male rival's dialogue.....he is kind of a jerk to the female protagonist. After you beat flannery, he will say something like "well, I'm off the challenge your dad. *Unlike you* he's actually strong." You really don't see a lotta people play the girl protagonist outside of speed runners who don't pay attention to dialogue anyway, so that kinda had my jaw drop a bit at how scathing the male rival's can be.
Post-game rival fight Ideas: Brendan/May: Even though they've given up on being the greatest battler, they agree to take you up on one last battle for "old times sake". They've clearly spent their time hunting down even more obscure and rare pokemon, and their team will be rounded out by something that truly shows their dedication to this goal: A Jirachi. Serene Grace with a moveset that takes advantage of this rare ability. Thinking things like Fire Punch, Thunderbolt, Body Slam, Wish, so on. The battle ends and your rival is content, because even though they still can't compare with you as a trainer, they've managed to do something spectacular in their own right (befriending and capturing a mythical pokemon). Wally: Not discouraged or off-put by his loss to you, Wally continued battling, and over time has grown healthier than the feeble young boy we met at the beginning of our journey. Wally's story comes full circle as he takes on an apprenticeship with Norman, where Wally will be next in line to take the mantle of Petalburg Gym Leader once Norman decides to retire. Eager to show that he is every bit up to the task of being one of the pillars of the Hoenn Pokemon league, he battles you once more. I don't think there is much room to change Wally's actual team roster, as him bonding with his Pokemon and having them be a part of his own "coming of age" story as he grows healthier and learns what his own dreams are is too important to his arc to replace any of them. Instead I'd choose to just crank the difficulty up on him as much as reasonably possible. Wally should be the "gen 2 Red" fight of the romhack, the final capstone battle to your entire post-game adventure. Full sets of expertly crafted movesets and items, and levels that sit at the peak of whatever the game's level curve ends up being. Make it a punishing but fair fight, worthy of a proper send-off for the true rival of Emerald.
For the main rival, I would add the final battle from OR/AS. So, as Champion, you could challenge the rival once more on Route 103 with a final team (possibly with the three versions featuring a Spinda with a different pattern). For Wally, I would suggest a battle either in the Battle Frontier (Maybe as a final entry Battle) or before the rematches with the Elite Four. I would also love a double battle with both rivals.
Cool changes, I really think the arc for the main rival is brilliant and was always put out like you guys created it now. For postgame I‘d love to have something like in GSC where you could challenge your rival (that would be Wally then) before the E4 (maybe even only on certain days) or have him become the head of the battle tower. I’d love for him to find his competitive side and become the best competitive enemy you can find, thus battle tower head. Cheers and congrats on these amazing projects
After entering the Hall of Fame, Brendan/May could wait for you outside of your house and they'll ask for you to meet them at Route 103 for one more match where their team will be even stronger than the last time. This shares a reference to their final battle after the credits of ORAS. For Wally, he'll join you alongside when you visit the Battle Frontier and at some point, you'll be given the option to battle him again and he'll have strong Pokemon from the National Pokedex. This also references ORAS as well where he also used Pokemon from the National Pokedex from those games.
Very cool if Wally were to meets you on the ship ride to Battle frontier you battle him either on the boat, An once an them again in the battle frontier somewhere.. or after you unlock the johto starters he’s there at the lab getting starter himself maybe either the unclaimed starter for instance if u picked cyndaquil he picks chick or it’s while may gets totodile.. when the elite four level up you battle him again before you battle them except when you meet battle him the last time he has a fully evolved starter himself this time.
I have three ideas for locations as to where Brendan/May would be fought in the postgame. Route 103: They would be standing in the spot where they fought you for the first time, reminiscing about the time you two were on equal footing battle-wise. They'd ask for one last battle for nostalgia's sake. Safari Zone: They'd be there talking about the new extensions to the Safari Zone and all the new rare Pokemon you could catch there. They'd offer a battle because they're curious to see if you've caught anything new or interesting. Battle Frontier: They were sent here by Birch to investigate odd foreign Pokemon being spotted here (Smeargle and Sudowoodo) and are excited to figure out what that's all about. They comment on how the player's clearly here for battle and offers a friendly spar as a warm up for the battle facilities. For their sixth team member I would go with Noctowl. It's a Pokemon not normally catchable in Hoenn, not particularly strong, available in the new Safari Zone areas, and could know Fly to show that since Brendan/May are now hunting for more rare Pokemon they value transportation significantly. Noctowl also gets Hypnosis for helping with catching Pokemon. I just think it really fits Brendan/May's character here.
it would be cool to give the main rival post game fight a latios or latias depending on their gender. It would fit the storyline of catching rare pokemons and making the fight fun by adding a great pokemon we don't see often. PS : loving the legacy series man !
a cool idea for the rival during post game is having them be more involved in helping you learn how to access the Regi Trio. Like after you've become champion May/Brendan can give some dialogue talking about weird events going on in Hoenn and they actually assist you in telling on what pokemon is needed like Relicanth and Wailord to open the caves because of their knowledge wanting to be professors and them collecting rare pokemons. At least that way there is an in-game reason of learning the poke braille and figuring out what is needed to open each Regi cave
Well done as always! I would personally like too see the 2 different rival arcs emphasize their goal in pokemon world; 1. Rival would have changing diverse teams which shows their dedication to fill their Pokedex. Movesets would not be optimized, but the team would showcase different/rare pokemon depending on the area the fight is in, with the starter pokemon being the anchor of the team. Fights would be more difficult than regural trainers, but not as hard as Gym leaders as it is not their goal. 2. Rival would build up their team piece by piece, and the arc would showcase their development as trainer, where there is not that much changes in pokemon lines, but evolving the pokemon they have and optimizing their movesets and team composition for fighting
Call it a stretch, but having the Main Rival fight you again at the same spot you first fought at in ORAS, with a number 6 being something like Deoxys or one of the Lati Twins to show their dedication/obsession with catching Rare Pokemon would help accentuate the theme of having the Spoink/Klecleon. I think it would unfortunately have to replace their Grumpig, and maybe add an Absol for flair as well, but I think it would be a fun way to test the players skill, while also maybe, gifting you Deoxys after they get it in their Pokedex as a way to acknowledge you and support you as you continue fighting challenges like at the Battle Frontier and the E4 Rematches.
Wally with Deoxys but also make him totaly oblivious that its incredibly rare. "I found this weird pokemon on Mossdeep. Must be a 1% encounter or something, but i wasnt even walking through tall grass" then the player goes to Mossdeep and someone reveals that a pair of pokemon snuck aboard the last rocket. They completely lost one, but heard rumors that the other headed South. And gives you the aurora ticket
It's be cool if the "Main Rival" can be fought in a full 6v6 post game rematch, but only if you complete the Hoenn dex. Like only if you manage to beat them at their true goal, they actually be willing to go back into the ring.
Post game, I would think it’s great if you and Wally are the ones involved in the Latios/Latias event where you spot and find one and Wally finds the other. And later you could have an optional double battle with You/Wally vs Steven/Wallace.
For Wally's post-game fight, it would be pretty awesome if he winds up befriending Latios/Latias (whichever one the player doesn't select as the roamer legendary) to have on their final team. I think that would highlight a real peak in his character arc, as he would not only have that competitive growth present in having a potent legendary 'mon but also show that he became capable of earning the trust and companionship of a legendary due to the maturation of his strength and kindness of character.
@@virgilmacmanus7568 I co-sign this idea 💯 I’d also like for him to challenge you with it on his team when you go to rematch the elite four..also like him popping up an making a appearance in battle tower doubles or multi battles with his gardevoir altaria etc..maybe he can have a secret base you see him in after you get a frontier symbol.
I think it would be interesting to show Wally with more competitive Pokemon in a post-game battle. Either that or just more competitive movesets, items, etc. I think having a post-game rival battle with the "main rival" would be awesome if it was right before or right after they become a professor (or a professor's assistant, something to show that they've been working towards their goal). The rival could then have Pokemon potentially from past gens that are harder to obtain. Just a way of showing that they go REALLY out of their way to collect rare Pokemon and may hint at the fact that they even make connections with other trainers/aspiring professors in order to learn more about Pokemon. Love the content as always :D
2 things: 1) Don't forget that if you manage to avoid the fight in Rustboro City, they will approach you when heading into Mr. Briney's house, so that interaction will most likely need address as well. 2) I think Wally should have a pseudo-legend in a post game fight, and the other rival (May or Brendan) should have a Shedinja, because it's never seen in the main story and is an incredibly rare Pokémon to show off. Have them battle you in the post game area.
I’m always so impressed with your attention to detail in these making of videos for the legacy games. You can tell you’re a long time fan of the series, and you respect the direction GF was going with the choices in each game. It is so refreshing, and I’m always hyped to see a new upload from you! Thank you for all the quality work!
Honestly, I think Brendan/May should upgrade your Pokedex either after Sootopolis or in the postgame. It would also solidify their role as becoming a Pokémon professor.
I think having Wally hidden away somewhere in the battle frontier for a huge fight would be awesome. After the fight they could have a small chance to show up as an opponent in the various battle frontier games where it makes sense. Could even increase their likelihood of showing up after achieving the silver/gold symbol as a way to show their drive as a trainer also increasing with yours.
For the postgame MainRival fight, taking inspiration from the ORAS after e4 "ceremonial duel" might be a good idea. Just with rotating teams of both their mainstory pokemon as well as maybe some rare postgame editions (like a johto starter or something like Yanma, Kangaskan or Porygon2), depending on whether or not there will be a national dex. I have seen a suggestion from another person in the comment section which I like: multible postgame mainrival fights with different teams based on your progress with the dex in different locations.
Postgame: Wally- Have him be an optional fight at the battle frontier, with his final team being fully IV + EV'd out, with competitive movsets. He would finally be of what he dreamed of being, possibly after you have all gold medals he would appear, similarly to ORAS. May/Brenden- I liked what they did with ORAS, them having a final fight where they had their first ever fight, route 103. Or Possibly, again in ORAS they had a little 'date' where they could create that and have a battle there. The rival could use pokemon that aren't in the hoenn pokedex. Along with a Johto starter that is strong against their own starter. I
I LOVE IT! Giving the main rival weird/rare pokemon is such a cool idea, it's awsome the way you have chosen to show the character development rather than telling. As for post game like with Oras changing his team to include some Gen 3 OU pokemon with competitive sets makes sense, maybe Flygon For Alteria and possibly Starmie for Azumaril, both solid Pokemon with no real associations to another trainer in the region.
Put him in the lobby of the elite four. Make him battleable every time you beat the champion, and give him dialog along the lines of "I heard you beat the champion! If I can win against you here maybe I can go against the elite four!" Idk gives him something to get stronger for, and actually acknowledges that you've beat the champion
In terms of post game, having the main rival have a changing team aside from their starter would be cool. They’ve already admitted they aren’t cut out to be a top tier battler, so having them use different teams to see how they work together would be fun research for them. Being able to find them randomly in the world or in buildings would be a nice touch since they are trying to collect more. They could even have Pokemon from previous regions to help fill out the players pokedex. As for Wally, it would be cool to have him challenge you at the elite four outside the main building instead of the cave and have him mention that he beat them sometime after the player did.
I think both rivals should have post game fights. Main Rival should have a new exotic team of rare Pokemon, ones that can only be ontained post game. They should all be fully evolved and strong enough to pose a challendge even if not difficult compared to Battle Frontier. Wally should return with a literal crack team to test the player. He should talk about how he is taking on the Battle Frontier and has learned a lot of new strategies. Maybe change his team up only slightly to give him ace Pokemon that mirror the main battles your to expext from the Battle Frontier or past gym leaders.
I'm really enjoying seeing the progress as this comes along! Having the main rival get a few rarer pokemon is a great idea, and helps their story make a little more sense. It would be interesting to see some sort of little story with them trying to find some specific pokemon in the post game, like Jirachi maybe. It would be awesome to see more of Wally as he grows as a trainer too, even if it's just him showing up a few more times for a scene or something.
I've never played Emerald, only Sapphire and Alpha Sapphire, so I am unaware of the full changes/differences between Emerald and R/S, but this project is really cool! I've been playing through Crystal Legacy and have thoroughly enjoyed it thus far. Looking forward to this one! Having a callback, like others have said, to ORAS with the Brendan/May battle on Route 103 would be cool! For Wally, it'd be neat if you find him at his aunt/uncle's house or the Battle Frontier for periodic, repeatable battles to show he is continuing to train and grow his team.
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I like your rival battle updates a lot! Only thing what I would change is the Sootopolis dialogue to be an actual battle. Reasoning being that rival states he has arrived to a crossroad in their career, and asks MC to have a battle. Once player wins, rival states something like ”as expected”, thanks player for having a battle and then states that they are going to be a researcher, just like daddy is. Bit like Gary tells his true ambitions to Ash when he lost the battle in Silver Conference. For post-game I’d add two battles for main rival: one after player completes Hoenn-dex (assuming it can be completed after E4) and the other when player completes national dex. For those battles rival’s title would change from PKMN TRAINER to PKMN RESEARCHER, and they would have six pokemon (containing not necessarily most powerful but rare(st) non-legendary pokemon). That would the first match. The latter match would have a Hoenn-twist: to celebrate compeleted national dex player would be challenged to a double battle by rival Birch and professor Birch! For Wally I’d just make his last battle veery difficult, with at least pseudo-legendary and/or even ”low tier” legendary added to his team. Also, I subscribed because I want that cartridge to play it on my GBA SP! 😆
Another option for may and Brendan is to have them be found randomly in a different route each day. A noticed a lot of the base games are specifically good for filling the pokedex. Breloom can have false swipe and spore as a catcher. Pelipper has fly and surf as an hm slave. Magcargo has flame body for hatching eggs faster. What if the team's moveset changes to reflect that post game? They'd have those 3, the starter, the 5th member cycles through the updated members of their team (grumpig, kecleon, donphan, pinsir, and heracross), and then the final member could be different in each route to show off how they're being trained to evolve, or show off a new national dex pokemon for every location the rival is found in, to reflect the collecting part? That way, they feel like they're traveling the world, looking for new pokemon. The pokemon look like its being changed to focus on collecting and not just battling. The gimmick isn't to have a challenging fight, but to see if you can find them each day, like hide and seek, and see which new pokemon is on their team this time. And it makes sense lore wise than to have someone who doesn't want to battle having a champion level team. They can have that kanto gym leader feel in gen 2, where they're strong enough but still weaker than the champion
Just based on your ideas, a main rival post game fight with just a bunch of rare high level Pokemon would be great, not really as a challenge, but maybe to show where some of these Pokemon can be caught. Underrated feature of Pokemon by the way, I remember seeing cool pokemon on enemy teams, and then immediately looking at my Pokedex to see where I could catch them.
a small idea i had for the main rival would be if they called you on your pokegear to let you know about mass outbreaks. normally you get mass outbreaks randomly after battles, and they only become active once you watch tv, which feels super random. i think this would be a really fitting post-game feature that doesn't involve battling. it would be even better if the list of pokemon you can get from mass outbreaks was expanded. maybe the rival could even give you a held item or something if you caught a certain rare/outbreak pokemon and showed it to them. that would make sense from a story perspective too, since a retired trainer would probably have a lot of held items that they don't need anymore
Main Rival: Gains a starter of the type their 5-mon team lacks in the last fight. From whichever previous generation is harder for the player to get, or even impossible to get. As part of their pursuit of becoming a pokemon professor they've become pen pals with a previous generation professor and as part of working together have been given a starter to raise as some kind of final test to become their successor. Perhaps the 'mon is also literally the offspring of one of the professor's. Interacting with them upon achieving milestones can also be the only way to access some Pokemon, if you'd like. Perhaps they become the player's connection to other regions via their connections to the previous gens' professors. They love to share their joy in finding and raising rare Pokemon with the player and will thus gift the player something otherwise unattainable every, idk, 50 unique pokemon in your dex. Pretty sure canonically Wally passes away from his disease soon after you face him in Victory Road, but if I'm misremembering, he could tune his moveset and IV/EVs to full PvP competitive level (Smogon, Pokemon Showdown, etc) to fully realize the idea of his passion bringing him to the highest peaks of pokemon battling. Basic stuff, I know. Low hanging fruit. Still, it feels like it'd fit well with the direction you're taking their arcs.
With the Rival focusing on catching Rare Pokemon, what about Mirage Island and making it a guaranteed post-game event, if anything, for flavor? It could also potentially tie in Latios and Latias, who are starting to roam the map from that location. For Wally with the inclusion of the Battle Frontier, allowing him to randomly be an opponet. Once you have fought him once I believe shaping up a hardcore team with competitive movesets and iteams would only help show his growth as a trainer.
A post game Wally with Jirachi would be awesome and it gives you huge flexibility on the moveset. If I could wish for a perfect post game, it would include some kind of restriction on your team (monotypes, baby team, gen restriction...) in a Tower Battle.
@@mingacio1996 great idea. Jirachi definitely suits him. I can totally see it. Maybe you can RematcH Wally with it after you get a Symbol from the battle frontier or he shows up with it in tow at the top of the trainer Hill..
I don't think another fight against Brendon/May in the postgame would be fitting their character arc. Maybe they could reward the player with rare items and Eggs of rare Pokémon for helping them with their research. For Example, Task 1:" I want to conduct research on Milotic, can you show me one please?" Task 2: Can you show me a smeargle with move "X" You get the idea. I think that has a lot of potential :)
I really like this series so far. I also think that you should implement the postgame Brendan/May battle from ORAS. Aside from that, this is pretty much perfect!
This is so satisfying to see! Love the innovations. In the postgame, I'd love to see a team-up with Wally against an upgraded Archie & Maxie, who are still chasing after postgame Kyogre & Groudon. Maybe May/Brendan completes their Pokédex and takes their choice of a Johto starter!
One thing you could do is instead of battling Wally in Mauville City, you could have run into him being picked on by two Aqua/Magma grunts and it force you into a double battle with him. This would help reinforce that double battling is the new thing for this generation. You could then later have him bump into the trainer and he could have dialogue that you helping him in that double battle have him the confidence to double battle Tate and Liz. This would give the player a sense of mentorship and let them feel like their actions in the story affect other characters. This would also give you a sense of accomplishment when you encounter him in Victory Road, knowing you led to him being successful.
I'm glad you actually included Wally in this discussion. I enjoy the idea of his story and I think most of the rivals have a great story concept but lack in execution. As for post game fights, maybe giving the "main rival" a legendary of some sort like a Regi or Jirachi could also build upon the catching rare Pokémon aspect and maybe after beating them, they can tell you where they found said legendary
Giving Wallys Gardevoir Double Team just seems evil x) I’d rather see it have Shadow Ball since you made ghost special now so it covers a bit more. I think giving Brendan/May a team that rotates members in and out, just to show off their new unique captures would be very fun, f.e. let them have a Feebas pre Lilycove that turns into a Wailord, or a Slugma at the optional Rustboro fight that’s a Torquoal at 118 or something.
For post-game May/Brendan, since their arc concludes with them deciding their passion is to become a Pokemon professor, I think it would be cool if they help you find a Legendary/Mythical. Hoenn has some great options for Legendaries/Mythicals you could encounter at the end of a post-game quest-line, such as Jirachi, Deoxys, Latios/Latias, etc. And if we want a battle with May/Brendan, we could fight them prior to encountering the rare Pokémon as sort of a test to see who should get the chance to get the rare Pokémon As for Wally in the post-game, I like other commenters’ suggestion of having him be a cracked trainer with a full competitively-viable team in the Battle Frontier
I think probably the easiest thing would be rematches, obviously. As a Gen Two diehard, I loved facing Silver at the Pokemon League on certain days. It was just nice to see him and felt very alive. So, while you can face Wally multiple times naturally, if there was maybe a scene or two of postgame opportunities to fight him. Maybe he trains with Tate and Lisa for his Gardevoir. Something like that. Or even putting Wally in the Battle Frontier as a random opponent or in the Battle Pyramid as a challenge to show his strength was enough to get him noticed by Scott. As for MR, Blue was always ahead of you in the Pokedex, maybe if they helped with increased chances of finding Pokemon like Bagon, or maybe gave you rare stuff like Pokemon with egg moves. They might also act as Bottle Cap traders later or as a move tutor and change stuff for existing Pokemon in your party. Could be egg moves again sorta like a different Move Rememberer. Shows off their knowledge. I'm sure whatever you do will be dope. I love the Wallace/Steven postgame.
Give the rival a weird smelling obsession like Blue had, and they will be equally as cool as Blue. All joking aside, I did like the competitiveness I felt when Blue said he caught 40 different types of pokemon in gen 1. If Brendan and May are filling the pokedex, then maybe a comment of them having x number of pokemon (just a few under the max one could get by that time. If the max without leveling past their ace is 48, say they got 45) could do something similar. It makes them feel like a competent collector since they are close to the max you could get, as compared to a weaker trainer who may or may not be doing well in filling their pokedex.
May/Brendan should have a book on their desk that each day when read gives a hint to a location. If you go to the location that day, you'll find them there, hunting rare Pokemon. It would be cool for them to have increased levels and one new Pokemon from the area they're currently in, probably the rarest in the area. Possible locations and Pokemon: Granite Cave with Nosepass; Meteor Falls, Bagon room with Salamence; Sky Pillar with Claydol. An added bonus could be Cave of Origin, but they don't battle you, just talk about how they wish they could've met Kyogre or Groudon.
A post game battle for Wally where he has caught the other roaming legendary and obtained one other rare and interesting Pokemon that he would have had to have traded from a Kanto/Johto trainer (like Porygon2, Snorlax or Scizor for example) on a fully competitive and dangerous team to show his dedication both to finding rare and interesting Pokemon but also training a powerful team
I love your content! Main Rival: Leave them with their starter, but then use a bunch of strange interactions between different pokemon. Things like Ledian making use of its unique moveset for defensive set-up to baton pass. The player never sees this type of interaction truly happen and studying pokemon would also involve seeing unique interactions with pokemon competetive battlers often ignore. Rather than it being a hard fight it might sinply be an extended fight seeing new things. Wally: A dialogue with Stephen Stone after beating him where he feels refreshed that TWO young trainers have beat him and hes excited for the future. Then lead the player to an epic battle with Wally.
I know this is off-topic from this video specifically, and Im not sure if you've talked about this stuff in other videos/streams, but I had a few questions: - Do you plan on fixing the busted RNG code, specifically with shiny hunting in mind? - Do you have plans to add in extra content like implementing the Altering Cave pokemon spawns and adding in the extra trainer battles from the e-reader cards? - Do you plan on making special items like the Eon ticket, Old Sea Map, etc. available to obtain in game?
Kind of agreeing with what most people are saying. I like the idea of repeatable postgame rival fights, but really showing that they're cemented in their new roles. Wally getting cracked to Frontier Brain levels, fully committing to battle. Either we fight him in Petalburg, the Battle Frontier, or in Victory Road. Brendan/May we can fight on Route 103 with all kinds of rare and maybe even legendary Pokémon. I think fighting alongside one or both of our rivals in double battles would be pretty on-brand for Emerald, which is what DPP did a generation later within the main story. Against who, I am not certain. Juan/Wallace and/or Tate/Liza rematches? That might be fun.
Great video as always. I think there's a lot of potential in having May/Brendan as replayable battles in either Littleroot Town (where they're helping their dad) to show off rare Pokemon (Kanto/Johto Pokemon, for starters) and maybe give you hints on where to find some obscure ones (Feebas, Regis, etc.)
For Wally, I think a neat idea to give some environmental and subtle storytelling for his growth. After either Flareny or Norman, you can make it where if a player checks thr Gym Statue for the certified trainers, it will have Wally first. A subtle "He got there before you" nod to show how much that fire is lit. It's something ORAS did and I think it would be a very nice touch here.
I really love the idea of making your "first" rival a Pokemon collector of sorts, so I'd love the Brandon/May kick-off the post-game by challenging you to a fight outside of the lab with a full team of six rare Pokemon. Maybe one of the Gen 2 starter pokemon you get from completing the pokedex (that would show the efforts the rival goes through to collect pokemon) and perhaps a Milotic (a pokemon so rare in Gen 3 that I just learned it is actually from Gen 3, not Gen 4).
These changes are great, can’t wait to play this. Some suggestions: - The pre-League Wally battle should take place outside the entrance of Victory Road, by the flowers - Would be dope if GBA-style versions of Wally’s encounter/battle themes from ORAS were implemented in EL - Wally should definitely be a post-game superboss in the Battle Frontier with a more competitive team. Gardevoir can stay, maybe add the unused starter as part of a Grass/Fire/Water core and some strong post-game Safari Zone Pokémon like Ampharos, Ursaring and Houndoom. - I know it goes against the ethos of the main rival’s new storyline, but I think it would be cute to have a final post-game battle with them at the same spot you first battled in Route 103. Just add another Pokémon for a full team of six
I don't know if you thought of this, but my favorite part about adding Azumarill to Wally's team is that Marill would be a natural pickup for him when visiting his family in Petalburg, since Marill is found in and around Petalburg! Would love to see the rival dialogue after the champion fight extended/developed - it always felt like May was hinting at something more to me, but it never goes anywhere.
Wally leveling up like 3 levels and challenging you right after leaving the victory road cave would be awesome and super menacing, like “no way we made it at the same time one more battle before we challenge the league” and then completely unexpected battle where he has a chance to absolutely wipe you.
Giving May/ Brendon some dialogue after beating e4 to point you in the right direction for the Regis would be an awesome way to show how impressive their rare Pokémon knowledge has gotten
I've always felt like the Gen 3 Rival's pokemon tied into the Gen 3 aesthetic of Land and Sea, and eventually Sky. Nowadays, we come to expect the Grass/Water/Fire team, but in R/S/E I think it's actually a bit meaningful. In Ruby and Sapphire, your rival will have a team of 3, made up of Wailmer/Numel/Shroomish/Starter, with a Swellow rounding it out. Honestly, if they were just higher level and actually evolved it would make for a fairly solid team on its own. In Emerald, the theme seems strongly about tying those different elements together. Lombre/Ludicolo is Water and Earth, Pelipper is Water and Sky, Tropius is Earth and Sky, and Slugma (/Magcargo) is (meant to be) Fire and Earth. Even the starters are like this, with Swampert being both Water and Earth, Blaziken being an earthbound bird that can reach the sky, and even Sceptile being a Grass type associated with tall trees. It's just that those pokemon are let down by not being high enough level to evolve, and by having trash movesets. Variety is the name of the game, which they simply didn't manage to pull off in regards to difficulty.
Aside from all the Wally ideas here: maybe rematches with Brendan/May in the postgame could be fun. They would still not really pose a huge challenge but could show off 6 different, distinctly rare or hard to find/catch Pokémon to really cement them trying to complete that Pokédex while still having a side interest in battling the protagonist, even though they have given up being as strong as the player.
For my post game rival team ideas I think it would make sense that they would have a team that reflects what the player ends up doing on their journey to complete the Pokédex, like exploring all corners of Hoenn and getting the rarer Pokémon. 1) the starter septile 2) the other fossil Pokémon the player didn't get, rival found it, 3) crobat, evolving a Pokémon through friendship, 4) relicanth 5) a shiny linone for its pick up ability and HM slave uses and a swallow
Subscribed and watched to the end! You need to increase Wally's level cap as well, he always felt like a speed bump. Secondly, adding Exploud might feel like a solid secret add if you wanted a secret fight in the rival's home later on, though I understand why that wouldn't fit with the story you are going for. They could be like I got some of these Pokémon from the professor let's try them out and they be this crazy team almost in line with the Battle Frontier.
I think even if the main rival doesn't get into battling, having a postgame fight for them featuring some rare pokemon from another region would be interesting and be a great way to show them coming into their role of pokemon researcher even more. It could even be a starter from another region that completes the elemental triangle to give enough of a post game challenge while keeping their story up.
I had an idea that goes along with the main rival arc. The rare pokemon they catch could be the level they can be found at. It makes an unbalanced team level wise, but I think it would drive home the "I don't like battling" theme. Also, the main rival post game could give a quest for a rare pokemon to be caught. Like they show you their dex and it gives the partial entry to yours so you can now use the location feature to go catch the rare pokemon.
I love the change to make the May/Brendan rival more of a professor type character. Really helps tie their character together to their father, the professor, like the player character is tied to their father, the gym leader. I feel like for the post game, May/Brendan could make use of altering cave, the unused cave that was supposed to have a mystery gift event to change what pokemon spawned there. Maybe have Brendan/May spawn randomly around the map like the reporters do and when you beat them they say something like "Oh by the way, I was looking around this weird cave on Route 103 and found a bunch of [Insert rare pokemon here]. It really helped filling out the pokedex for Dad". You could even try to change their team to include the rare pokemon thats in the cave, so its up to the player to realize that the new pokemon on their team is the rare pokemon thats spawning there right now instead of outright telling them its that pokemon. This would help add an organic way to re-add these exclusive pokemon or add any other new spawns you would want for post game. Gen 3 is my favorite gen and im so hyped for this. Keep up the good work!
I'm really glad magneton didnt get cut off of wallys team. Its a good call back to the first battle in mauville and its a really good balancing member of his team. While future games dont matter for legacy, since wally has so little to go off of in base gen 3 and azumarill is kinda being pulled from the future as well, its worth noting magneton/zone basically become his second ace in the remakes, being on every one of his teams with more than one mon on them.
I love the Wally changes! The Petalburg fight feels like just enough to make him complete. Azumarill is my favorite Pokemon and it 100% fits his vibe. I know this is supposed to be in line with the gen 3 games, but I think it would be cool (and honestly really funny) if you added Gallade for him.
These are all excellent ideas. Building on your idea of having the main rival be a collector, I think that the events to catch rare pokémon, such as mew, deoxys, mewtwo, etc, could be given by them at different stages of the game (calling us, and going on a quest with the old sea map, for example)
Optional rival postgame double battle in Meteor Falls would be crazy! You and Wally fighting against Steven and Wallace with level 80s. Can’t wait for the full release!!
I may be getting a bit crazy, but a postgame option to battle both Wally and the main rival would be good. Maybe have them with Kyogre and Groudon respectively. It'd be a neat nod to each character catching a legendary for their unique reasons and the player already having access to Rayquaza in Emerald.
>>Post-game rival battle idea. Post game have May/Brandon ask the player about their experience finding a very rare Pokemon on Sky Pillar. They ask you if you'd be willing to take them there so that they could capture some of the Pokemon found in the ruins. The main rival also seems to hint to you that they might even challenge you to a battle there with some of the new Pokemon they caught just as a small thank you for taking them there. As you make your way to the top you encounter a two team admins, one from Aqua and one from Magma. Both are still set on their team's initial goals of re-awakening Groudon/Kyogre and finishing what their team leaders failed to do. Having witnessed the power of Rayquaza, the two have surmised that if either captures Rayquaza it will give them unfettered control over either legendary Pokemon of sea or land. Initially the two admins got to the summit at the same time, but instead of finding Rayquaza they found each other and were about to battle to stop the other's plans. Upon seeing the player at the summit, the admins put aside their battle realizing the player is directly responsible for why Rayquaza is no longer at Sky Pillar and assume the player may already be in possession of Rayquaza. Thus, the two form a temporary truce to double battle you on the spot for Rayquaza while May/Brandon backs you up in the double battle. After the battle May/Brandon gives the admins a stern lecture and the admins saunter out of Sky Ruins realizing they're only pursuing a lost cause at this point. From then on, May/Brandon will hang around Sky Ruins where you can battle them by request. After the first fight you may encounter them in various other isolated places researching Pokemon that you can always offer a rechallenge.
Postgame Wally could maybe have several different teams (Still keeping his signature Gardevoir of course) that he'll randomly swap between each to make his rematches more interesting. Maybe even add a legendary/mythical or 2 to each team to really spice it up.
For May/Brendan, a rematch with them is alright I suppose. But since their primary drive is catching Pokemon, I would like to see them interact with Altering Cave somehow, with that being how you could obtain a lot of the missing Pokemon from the Pokedex. Originally, this area was going to be tied to some distribution events that were never held. I think It would be cool to have that functionality finally brought into the game in some way, and May/Brendan are a perfect catalyst for that.
Glad to see Pinsir got twin needle. Commented on that before and it makes me happy. Anyways, suggestion for the post game encounters. What if it was revealed Wally and your main rival both met together sometime off screen, and swapped notes on Pokemon to adjust their final teams? Your main rival would learn a thing or two on proper Pokemon battling from Wally, and pick up a strong Pokemon that’s hard to raise (not quite a pseudo legendary but close) to show “Hey, look how far I’ve come! I can really do this now!” Meanwhile, Wally will learn more about Pokemon diversity from your main rival and make a switch or two to his line up to feature much more uncommon Pokemon the player character wouldn’t be familiar with.
The post-game rival fight in a Pokémon Emerald ROM hack could be a real highlight if it introduces some unexpected twists! Imagine your rival having a revamped, more competitive team with unique move sets and strategic items. Throw in dynamic weather effects that change mid-battle or a field effect that shifts depending on the time of day-this would keep the player on their toes! It’s a great way to challenge seasoned players and give that feeling of a true, final showdown. It’s these kinds of enhancements that make ROM hacks stand out and provide that fresh yet nostalgic experience. Hope to see a fight like this in your recommended ROMs, SmithPlays!
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Question: Are you still doing the stream to talk about extra game content for EL?
I'm really hoping you don't do it in the morning or during a time I wouldn't be able to watch and post my ideas.
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would love to see a red like battle vs not one but both rivals a double rival battle to settle the score 1vs2 =D
Goal: Becoming friends with pokemon all over the world.
Consequences for failure: none?
Analysis: No stakes, no drama. Not memorable. Waste of a character. There is no danger to brave, there are no obstacles to overcome.
Proposal: Change the goal to one which would have stakes.
Suggestion 1: Give the rival a goal to capture a one-of-a-kind pokemon that no one else has (such as a legendary) so that hey can distinguish themselves from other trainers. Consequences for failure mean s/he is just another trainer. Some, but not a lot of drama.
Suggestions 2: Suggestion #1, but they want THE legendary that the story revolves around. Now, they have personal stake in the decisions that the story's antagonists make, tying them to the damn plot!
Suggestion 3: Rival wants to sell slowpoke tails. That would literally be more interesting than vanilla rival goal, I don't even need to explain!
Hey, sir I too am working on a ROM hack that's going to make the game more difficult overall. I just started but the first battle your rival now has 2 pokemon the first is a load at level 5 and the 2nd is the opposite starter at level 7. I moved stab moves to 8 so avoid a completely unfair fight when you have only 1 mon and gave their starter an oran berry for recovery.
Im working on route 101 now though. The goal is for the elite 4 and champion to use level 90-100s and ramp all trainer difficulties up as well as wild encounters in general.
I did Norman just now he now has a full team of 6 and runs a double battle leading with smeargle and vigoroth, he has a slaking still, kekleon, and a buffed up Wigglytuff since you can get Jigglepuff in the base game.
I've also buffed all available final evolutions to be within 50 points of the modern average 3rd stage evolution that I intentionally set to lower than what it is at to a middle average of 515 bst.
All starters now have equal final bst of Swaperts 535 and coincidentally that's what Wigglytuff is at with its HP unchanged but now 105 attack and 90 defenses.
I want this game to make me suffer im still working on the levels of each trainer and gym leader as I go. I'm thinking a good average to be 10 x the gym number. Norman is 4th so he should be using 4x pokemon up to 8x for the final gym. That should make transitioning to the Elite 4 pretty smooth only needing to grind out 10 levels and no longer being able to catch raquaza ad expecting a sweep.
And screw balance I made Flygon and Aggron both Psuedo Legendary pokemon. Flygon has similar stats to Salamance but trades raw damage for more speed and is a bit more frail.
Aggron is now pure steel along with its pre evolutions and focuses on bulk with moderate damage. The lowest attack stat amongst all Psudeo legends but by far the bulkiest.
Also May/Brendon will gain 2 more pokemon each battle. Final battle will be a double and very challenging. Wally will be an absolute menace in victory road. 2nd battle will be quite a leap as well but not as tough as may at that time. May add more battles with him as the story progresses as well.
You know, Wally trained with Norman and was also the one to awaken Rayquaza in the manga. A double battle with him and norman or him helping you to catch Rayquaza could be nice postgame nods to that.
Postgame Wally with Rayquaza fight 👀
Rayquaza can be caught before battling the E4 in Emerald, but that idea would work well in Ruby/Sapphire!
I feel like they would end up being more of a detriment, by knocking out Rayquaza when you’re trying to catch it.
I think that Zinnia as an ORAS nod is already involved in the Rayquaza encounter. There's not a bar on manga-inspired stuff, but from what I remember of the discussion surrounding Flannery's grandpa as a cameo, it's not a source for storyline changes.
The rival should have been given a Milotic to really hit home the "finding rare pokemon" angle...
Yeah I agree it's a good pick for that.
idk milotic feels like such a "power" pokemon since its good and is so well known for 2 champion teams in a row. its rare, but more of the "rare strong pokemon" type instead of the "rare collectors pokemon" type like the safari pokemon
While watching the video I did think it would lead to that actually. It would make the fight a little bit more challenging also
Probably post-game if this happens, since it's Wallace's signature and the last rival fight is in Lilycove.
Oh before fortree city a team with a febass and a chimecho maybe some other rare or forgotten pokemon would be cool
Finally, lore accurate Wally.
I think the main rival could be used for more utility in the postgame, helping you find rare pokemon, and potentially giving the player some, basically making them a vital part of completing the Pokedex.
I would rather have this.
Have them give hints on rare locations of pokemon. He/she shows you one after a Pokedex milestone. Thus unlocking the location/item to catch the rare Pokemon.
New creepypasta: May's Torkoal.
Clearly the player killed May's Torkoal and she had to bury it on Mt. Pyre, just like Blue's Raticate. /s
@@SavoxYT bring it back an I want her to evolve her slugma into a macargo!!
For Wally Post game, he should be fought before EVERY Elite 4 rematch, almost like Silver in GSC. In addition, I think the best thing that I have ever seen was the Wally ORAS team after the large win streak in the Battle Maison because they have great abilities, great held items, & a stellar moveset while all being dual type pokemon with no overlapping types. He needs that rematch Elite Four team to be all dual type with no overlaps that posed a damn good challenge
To double down, here's an idea for Wally's post game team:
Altaria, Magneton, & Roselia can stay
Add in Walrein, Claydol, & Tyranitar
The types not used of the 17 are Normal, Bug, Fight, Ghost, & Fire
Silver isn't fought before every E4 rematch. He only challenges you on certain days. By contrast, Wally *can* be fought before every E4 rematch, it's just optional rather than mandatory.
How did you comment 23 hours ago when the video got released an hour ago 🤔
@@LunarWingCloud that was why I said almost when referencing Silver
@@tomat0talks that's weird, I was watching this yesterday
While one more battle is nice, I think what I'd like most with Wally is for us to be given hints that he's actually training and has already been there. Something like when you defeat a random trainer saying "Oh you're as strong as that guy with the Gardevoir." Or your father having dialogue after you defeat him saying "Looks like you're in the running to become a champion just like Wally." And so keeping with Gamefreak's intentions in their design.
Interestingly enough, this does remind of what they did with another gen 3 NPC. The Winstrate family will mention that the older brother is out training to become champion and is far stronger than all of them, and you then fight him (cooltrainer vito) in victory road.
I am surprised you skipped the fact that Azumarill is a Pokémon that is already *kinda* associated to Wally, most specifically his cracked rematch team from the ORAS Battle Maison. I dunno if that was intentional or not
For the main rival, instead of a post game rematch, I think it would be cool to have them offer trades to the player. They could give rare Pokémon or Pokémon with egg moves to show how they’re studying Pokémon. It might also be interesting to make them a low ranked trainer in contests to show how they’re exploring their passions but contests don’t really click with them either.
For May/Brendan's post game fight, you could mirror the post game fight they did in ORAS, so if you meet them on the top of Rt 103 where you met, you could have a final hurrah with their strongest team.
As for Wally, I think having him go to the Battle Frontier would be sick. Also in ORAS, but I think he should show up here and battle you, and then maybe you can find him later in Petalburg at his family's house where he can challenge you to a final fight
Indeed think It’d be cool if Wally were to meets you on the ship ride to Battle frontier an you battle him either on the boat, Or once u depart in the battle frontier somewhere..
after you unlock the johto starters he’s there at the lab getting starter himself maybe either the unclaimed starter for instance if u picked cyndaquil he picks chickorita while May gets totodile.. when the elite four level up for the rematch you battle him again before you battle them except when you meet battle him he has a fully evolved starter himself this time. You’ll meet May in the Altering Cave with a Venusaur or blastoise maybe a Snorlax etc maybe either she or Wally shows up in the trainer hill with the remaining lati twin you don’t choose.
This video was a little strange. I could have sworn that during the game the player more or less bullied May/Brenden out of becoming a trainer and making them only focus on bein a professor. Am I bugging or am I remembering another pokemon game?
@@tsukasa67 I think that was sword and shield
Wally getting one extra fight right before Norman is a nice touch for improving his story arc
I know Steven is the normal superboss in Emerald, but maybe you could bring Wally in for a similar situation. Perhaps have him visiting his parents and he can optionally be fought there like Cynthia in Black and White. Another idea is to have him replace Wallace as Champion in Elite Four rematches while Wallace is fought as a superboss himself in the Cave of Origin.
Wallace was downgraded to 8th gym like in RS for Emerald Legacy and Steven is the champion, so having Wally as the superboss would actually be perfect!
For May/Brendan's post game, something to keep in mind is that if the two of them are serious about completing their pokedex, they need to get all 8 badges, as there are 8 HMs that they'll need badges to unlock the use of. If you were to have a post-game encounter which involves running into them when they're out doing fieldwork, you could include some of those HM moves on their team, to show that they were out there doing work, not out there with a competitive team (while still balancing it to make it difficult enough to be a satisfying post-game encounter)
I don't really feel like the 8 hms and their badge requirements really exist in-universe the same way they do for us as a gameplay mechanic. We see the rival fly away after the battle outside the department store, but no version of the rival team's swellow knows fly, just as an example.
@@Galeus708 I like this idea.. I’d say maybe we can have you encounter them out in about while exploring the region via Secret Bases…or houses… maybe smith can have some of the homes in game repurposed to house notable ppl for instance have one of the blocked homes in sootopolis be Wallace’s house. Have one of the house in mauviille belong to Watson I’d say the house across the bike place that’s sort of blocked off right next to the house to get rock smash from …maybe Winona’s secret base could be above the waterfall by the weather institute
..maybe Wally could be somewhere in or around the verdenturf tunnel.
I don't know if this is even doable, but since the main rival wants to become a professor, I like the idea of giving them a helper role as a replayable, once a day battle.
They will ask you what kind of Pokemon you want to battle against and have a full team of six of whatever type you select, so it's like they get to show off their impressive collection and you get to practice against a certain type.
Maybe you get a little treat treat after beating every type. Maybe not. At the very least, this actually makes them a major grass type trainer if you select grass.
I really like this idea.
I was gonna suggest that the May/Brendan fight could also include Pokémon from other regions, to show off how they’ve gone out to find rare Pokémon from places outside the Hoenn region, giving the player a sense of how far they’re willing to go to find new Pokémon. It would also have the added benefit of helping the player see more Pokémon.
Alternatively, the rival could also help the player find some of the Pokémon they might have missed before beating the elite 4? Idk how they’d implement that as a feature, though… 🤔
I love this idea! It allows them to be a fun, varied, and useful challenge while still staying true to their characterization.
Gen 3 desperately needs more daily events like gen 2 so I love this idea
I like the idea of being able to practice against a type, but I think having a team entirely of one type would be too easy of a battle for that point in the game, and I also think it goes against the entire idea of a rival. Obviously gym leaders and E4 members have type themes, but the most difficult fights usually don’t (the Champion). Someone who is your rival should realistically be using their best team possible in every fight against you, not handicapping themselves. Otherwise they’re not a rival, they’re just another trainer. I know the word ‘rival’ has become almost a meme in Pokémon games because of how friendly they always are to the protagonist, and how they usually work in tandem with the protagonist in the main storyline (literally not a rival by the definition of the word, rivals don’t work _together_ towards a goal), but I really think they should be actual rivals. That doesn’t mean they need to be rude, they can still be friendly, but they should really be trying to beat you at all costs, at all times. Otherwise, don’t call them a rival.
Your idea is still good, I just don’t think it should be the rival offering those types of matches.
@@artistfloor9 Right! Like I feel like their personality is kind of "I like battling, but I don't want to do it competitively."
I think something like this is perfect post-game content because it's all about showing off game content and doesn't really change anything fundamentally.
Post Game Wally. While you’re running around if doing all your post game shenanigans, Wally decided he’s learned everything he can in Hoenn and decides to go travelling to a different region. Near the end of the post game you meet up with Wally who’s just returning from Kalos. He challenges you to a battle and you’re surprised when his Gardevoir Mega evolves! This is how mega stones are introduced to the Hoenn region in ORAS. I know, never going to happen, and outside of the scope of the game but it’s a neat idea that could catch you off guard and ties into the future games well.
My only real suggestion for Wally’s Post Game Team is replace his Delcatty with Exploud. Aside from Gabby and Ty, Whismur doesn’t appear on any significant Trainer Teams. Plus, it’s found in Rusturf Tunnel, right by where Wally stayed with his Aunt and Uncle.
I agree, delcatty is kinda ass for a final team. Exploud seems like a good replacement. I can’t think of any other good normal type replacements.
@@theshankpain2228 and smith already said that he improved exploud! and that delcatty isn't that good
@@theshankpain2228 Zangoose would be ok as well
For the post game Wally fight, you could give him the Eon twin you didnt choose, to show his true growth as a trainer.
For Post Game Wally, I do think leaning into making him very competitive like they did in ORAS would be cool. His ORAS team was Roserade, Talonflame, Azumarill, Magnezone, Garchomp and Gallade, which Talonflame and Garchomp were serious competitive threats in Gen 6. For Legacy obviously the Gen 4 evolutions won’t work, but maybe adding some Gen 3 competitive staples like adding Tyranitar, Aerodactyl, Gengar, Snorlax or Herracross to really show how serious of a battler Wally has become.
For the post game, May/Brendan should have extremely rare Pokemon: a sudowoodo since there's one in the Battle Frontier, Milotic, Relicanth, a high level wynaut (holding liechi Berry) from Mirage Island, and a medicham since they're unavailable in normal emerald
Wally can have the same team, but with competitive movesets / EVs. It'd keep his love for his original pokemon in tact while showing he's taking training his pokemon seriously, as it'd imply he actually farmed berries to reset their EVs, EV trained, and got the TMs or visited move tutors for their movesets
I like this idea! I don’t agree with her specifically using milotic.. as an example. Normally I’d be fine suggesting her team may have Hoenn Pokémon that Emerald Specifically cuts out of the game roster
Like Surskit/Masquerain
Meditie/Medicham
Roselia
Zangoose
Lunatone.. but since they can be found in game idk if I see the merit in suggesting that. I’m open to ideas
I would like that outside fortree city when u battle her she has a feebas & kecleon!
In front of the dept. store Mays got a chimecko since it’s like a 2% shot of catching one on mount pyre.
Later on Or ..she could either have Latios/latias or a shiny
Or we could stick her a uncommon Pokémon mawhile Nosepass wigglytuff
slakoth snorunt ..if Smith didn’t mess with the encounter rates I’d have said Surskit.
Maybe we battle her outside the Safari Zone once it’s been Expanded
She could have a snubbull gligar… The rarest has got to be a level 5 Gyarados. Technically levels 6-19 are just as rare, but 5 is the lowest level you can legally obtain a Gyarados
If you go to Sootopolis and use the Super Rod, there is a 20% chance to find a Gyarados. They can appear at any level from 5 to 45.. the lowest one I’ve ever caught was LV8, 10, 12… an I’ve had the game for a super long time.
Or we stick with the original team but have her have all 6
Swellow Camerupt Macargo Wailord Breloom STARTER but have her pop up like Ty & Gabby all over the Region with her pkmn getting higher every few battles..an some getting swapped out depending on location.
Torkoal Ludicolo Pelipper Tropius Macargo STARTER
@@JayClearman411 Milotic is incredibly rare though, so I think it fits
@@Xeno_Solarus it is rare but it just doesn’t suit may imo..it’s more Juan’s style..beside it’s uniquely Wallace’s the CHAMPIONs Ace.. I feel like that would sort of undercutting him or be stealing his thunder imo. Besides Speaking of the battle frontier why not give her Smeargle instead.. Besides you can say the same thing about Castform or Metagross
Which would go against what legacy is trying to do imo. But it’s your idea I get it.
Honestly really love this idea for May/Brendan. Having super rare Pokémon like that fits so damn well
@@JayClearman411 I thought about smeargle, but didn't want 2 pokemon from the same place on their team
It's crazy how goated Gary/Blue was as a rival. First try and they nailed it. I feel like it makes future rivals feel lesser. I don't think we would mind Brendan/May being weaker rivals if we didn't have such a good example already.
Fighting blue as champion for the very first time was definitely something. I expected elite 4/ champion. I was down to my final Pokémon, no items, no revives. Nothing. So when I was told there was one more, and that it was HIM of all people, I knew it was over.
“That means I’m the strongest trainer in the world”.
I don't think that they nailed it at all. An asshole does not necessarily make for a good rival and I think that Blue as a character was very weak.
@@TheKabuto90 I think it’s not the character they nailed, but what the rival archetype represents. Blue functions as a test of skills (him being someone with just as much experience as you). While the character is bland, it gives off the feeling of being in a rivalry.
@@TheKabuto90 To be honest, he's not even an asshole. He may be sometimes a bit rude, but that's it.
@@TheKabuto90That is the whole point, Blue is a cocky asshole who thought he was so great and can do anything himself. He was build to be disliked so much so the final fight as the new champion with him losing to you have such a big impact on both him and yourself. That huge defeat is what at the end changed Blue into a better person. True he is still cocky at times, but he isn’t much of a bully. Both Blue and Silver didn’t have any love and trust for their Pokémon which caused them to lose in the biggest match for them.
May/Brendan post-game could include a Gold/Silver-like catching contest in the safari zone to underline their compassion for/expertise in researching new pokémon (aaand after E4 there would be new pokémon in the safari zone i guess?).
I always considered Wally as more of a friendly rival (see the catching tutorial as opposed to GSC rival being introduced as a thief), so i feel like his post-game should include some kind of co-op-mission including double battles. story-wise i guess i'd be fine with both something fun but challenging like "you have to win 5 battles in a row against the winstrate family" or something more serious (but also challenging^^) like some kind of return of Shelly and Tabitha trying to revive the two teams (this second option would require a lot more effort obviously but i feel like it could be enjoyable to 3rd gen fans to simply have more than 8hrs of storyline).
(anyway thanks for your effort, i'm enjoying the videos and looking forward to the results...)
I love the fact that you actually gave Wally a full team of six! So many important battles in pokemon are ruined by the fact that while you have a full team the other trainers only use 4 or 5 mons. Also I'm curious about the picks for the Elite four since Hoenn dex is really lacking in their types.
Phoebe would work with a chimecho, since you can find em on top of mt pyre where her grandparents keep the orbs so would be a good lore choice
@@machinat3636 I'll be honest, Ninetales would be a slightly better fit considering the lore about mystic foxes and spirits
@@machinat3636 I think Ninetails would work Better because it would cover more types and is a general far Better mon than Chimecho (being a psychic type doesn't help at all). You can also find Vulpix at MT. Pyre so It makes also sense if we talk about Phobe's lore.
@@lunicouomopiccione1501 yeah I agree.. with you but it’d need its moves adjusted slightly give it access to ghost/psychic type moves maybe..I’d like it with Spite Confuse Ray Extrasensory Flamethrower…access to calm mind psych up solar beam, hypnosis dream eater would be cool.
@@JayClearman411 a really viable set could be Fire Blast for heavy stab damage, Hypnosis/ Will O'Wisp, Hidden Power Grass at 70 Power, Extrasensory because there aren't other aviable offensive options in gen 3. The Item should be Charcoal because of Fire Blast (gen 3 really lacks in items) de and the Ev Investment should be 252 SpA, 252 Spe and 4 in Hp.
For me, Wally in RSE was always insanely forgetable, and I only gained respect for him in ORAS.
This was in large part thanks to his encounter in Victory Road being treated as a larger event, with his own room and theme music which also played during his battle.
So if I could provide any suggestion, it would be to give him his own theme music based on his theme from ORAS, but I understand if that's far beyond the scope of this romhack.
Other than that, a small thing that ORAS did to foreshadow Wally was to put his name on the Gym statues in each gym in the Certified Trainers section, showing that he has beaten them before you. I feel like this would be a neat addition, as I doubt many people would even notice that but it would be a nice surprise for those who do.
"There's not much difference between the two rivals" Not true. If you play as May, Brendon makes comments about how he thought you'd be a guy just cause you're a gym leader's kid. He also has other dialogue later that suggests he looked down on you for being a girl, but no longer feels this way
Wow, two random lines of dialogue...
All of the dialogue is different. Transcripts are available to read on Bulbapedia.
I think that qualifies as “not much difference”.
Definitely could use some more dialogue to set them apart for sure!
Give them some more personality too. Like maybe May’s a tomboy while Brendan likes cute things
@@marinagaleotti If you pay attention to the male rival's dialogue.....he is kind of a jerk to the female protagonist. After you beat flannery, he will say something like "well, I'm off the challenge your dad. *Unlike you* he's actually strong." You really don't see a lotta people play the girl protagonist outside of speed runners who don't pay attention to dialogue anyway, so that kinda had my jaw drop a bit at how scathing the male rival's can be.
Post-game rival fight Ideas:
Brendan/May: Even though they've given up on being the greatest battler, they agree to take you up on one last battle for "old times sake". They've clearly spent their time hunting down even more obscure and rare pokemon, and their team will be rounded out by something that truly shows their dedication to this goal: A Jirachi. Serene Grace with a moveset that takes advantage of this rare ability. Thinking things like Fire Punch, Thunderbolt, Body Slam, Wish, so on. The battle ends and your rival is content, because even though they still can't compare with you as a trainer, they've managed to do something spectacular in their own right (befriending and capturing a mythical pokemon).
Wally: Not discouraged or off-put by his loss to you, Wally continued battling, and over time has grown healthier than the feeble young boy we met at the beginning of our journey. Wally's story comes full circle as he takes on an apprenticeship with Norman, where Wally will be next in line to take the mantle of Petalburg Gym Leader once Norman decides to retire. Eager to show that he is every bit up to the task of being one of the pillars of the Hoenn Pokemon league, he battles you once more. I don't think there is much room to change Wally's actual team roster, as him bonding with his Pokemon and having them be a part of his own "coming of age" story as he grows healthier and learns what his own dreams are is too important to his arc to replace any of them. Instead I'd choose to just crank the difficulty up on him as much as reasonably possible. Wally should be the "gen 2 Red" fight of the romhack, the final capstone battle to your entire post-game adventure. Full sets of expertly crafted movesets and items, and levels that sit at the peak of whatever the game's level curve ends up being. Make it a punishing but fair fight, worthy of a proper send-off for the true rival of Emerald.
For the main rival, I would add the final battle from OR/AS. So, as Champion, you could challenge the rival once more on Route 103 with a final team (possibly with the three versions featuring a Spinda with a different pattern). For Wally, I would suggest a battle either in the Battle Frontier (Maybe as a final entry Battle) or before the rematches with the Elite Four. I would also love a double battle with both rivals.
Cool changes, I really think the arc for the main rival is brilliant and was always put out like you guys created it now.
For postgame I‘d love to have something like in GSC where you could challenge your rival (that would be Wally then) before the E4 (maybe even only on certain days) or have him become the head of the battle tower. I’d love for him to find his competitive side and become the best competitive enemy you can find, thus battle tower head.
Cheers and congrats on these amazing projects
After entering the Hall of Fame, Brendan/May could wait for you outside of your house and they'll ask for you to meet them at Route 103 for one more match where their team will be even stronger than the last time. This shares a reference to their final battle after the credits of ORAS. For Wally, he'll join you alongside when you visit the Battle Frontier and at some point, you'll be given the option to battle him again and he'll have strong Pokemon from the National Pokedex. This also references ORAS as well where he also used Pokemon from the National Pokedex from those games.
Very cool if Wally were to meets you on the ship ride to Battle frontier you battle him either on the boat, An once an them again in the battle frontier somewhere.. or after you unlock the johto starters he’s there at the lab getting starter himself maybe either the unclaimed starter for instance if u picked cyndaquil he picks chick or it’s while may gets totodile.. when the elite four level up you battle him again before you battle them except when you meet battle him the last time he has a fully evolved starter himself this time.
I have three ideas for locations as to where Brendan/May would be fought in the postgame.
Route 103: They would be standing in the spot where they fought you for the first time, reminiscing about the time you two were on equal footing battle-wise. They'd ask for one last battle for nostalgia's sake.
Safari Zone: They'd be there talking about the new extensions to the Safari Zone and all the new rare Pokemon you could catch there. They'd offer a battle because they're curious to see if you've caught anything new or interesting.
Battle Frontier: They were sent here by Birch to investigate odd foreign Pokemon being spotted here (Smeargle and Sudowoodo) and are excited to figure out what that's all about. They comment on how the player's clearly here for battle and offers a friendly spar as a warm up for the battle facilities.
For their sixth team member I would go with Noctowl. It's a Pokemon not normally catchable in Hoenn, not particularly strong, available in the new Safari Zone areas, and could know Fly to show that since Brendan/May are now hunting for more rare Pokemon they value transportation significantly. Noctowl also gets Hypnosis for helping with catching Pokemon. I just think it really fits Brendan/May's character here.
it would be cool to give the main rival post game fight a latios or latias depending on their gender. It would fit the storyline of catching rare pokemons and making the fight fun by adding a great pokemon we don't see often.
PS : loving the legacy series man !
Yes, replace Grumpig with the Lati- that we don't choose as our roaming legendary.
@justinkidd7634 I don't think they would force us to choose one so rival wouldn't be able to have another.
@@justinkidd7634I like this idea or maybe give it to Wally! We can see it when he challenges us again when we try an rematch the Elite 4.
a cool idea for the rival during post game is having them be more involved in helping you learn how to access the Regi Trio. Like after you've become champion May/Brendan can give some dialogue talking about weird events going on in Hoenn and they actually assist you in telling on what pokemon is needed like Relicanth and Wailord to open the caves because of their knowledge wanting to be professors and them collecting rare pokemons. At least that way there is an in-game reason of learning the poke braille and figuring out what is needed to open each Regi cave
I cannot stand my team having type overlaps so I understand how you feel Smith.
Me as well
Well done as always! I would personally like too see the 2 different rival arcs emphasize their goal in pokemon world; 1. Rival would have changing diverse teams which shows their dedication to fill their Pokedex. Movesets would not be optimized, but the team would showcase different/rare pokemon depending on the area the fight is in, with the starter pokemon being the anchor of the team. Fights would be more difficult than regural trainers, but not as hard as Gym leaders as it is not their goal. 2. Rival would build up their team piece by piece, and the arc would showcase their development as trainer, where there is not that much changes in pokemon lines, but evolving the pokemon they have and optimizing their movesets and team composition for fighting
Call it a stretch, but having the Main Rival fight you again at the same spot you first fought at in ORAS, with a number 6 being something like Deoxys or one of the Lati Twins to show their dedication/obsession with catching Rare Pokemon would help accentuate the theme of having the Spoink/Klecleon. I think it would unfortunately have to replace their Grumpig, and maybe add an Absol for flair as well, but I think it would be a fun way to test the players skill, while also maybe, gifting you Deoxys after they get it in their Pokedex as a way to acknowledge you and support you as you continue fighting challenges like at the Battle Frontier and the E4 Rematches.
No to the Lati-Twins but Deoxys would pretty cool. Maybe even Jirachi instead?
Wally with Deoxys but also make him totaly oblivious that its incredibly rare. "I found this weird pokemon on Mossdeep. Must be a 1% encounter or something, but i wasnt even walking through tall grass" then the player goes to Mossdeep and someone reveals that a pair of pokemon snuck aboard the last rocket. They completely lost one, but heard rumors that the other headed South. And gives you the aurora ticket
It's be cool if the "Main Rival" can be fought in a full 6v6 post game rematch, but only if you complete the Hoenn dex. Like only if you manage to beat them at their true goal, they actually be willing to go back into the ring.
Post game, I would think it’s great if you and Wally are the ones involved in the Latios/Latias event where you spot and find one and Wally finds the other. And later you could have an optional double battle with You/Wally vs Steven/Wallace.
For Wally's post-game fight, it would be pretty awesome if he winds up befriending Latios/Latias (whichever one the player doesn't select as the roamer legendary) to have on their final team. I think that would highlight a real peak in his character arc, as he would not only have that competitive growth present in having a potent legendary 'mon but also show that he became capable of earning the trust and companionship of a legendary due to the maturation of his strength and kindness of character.
@@virgilmacmanus7568 I co-sign this idea 💯 I’d also like for him to challenge you with it on his team when you go to rematch the elite four..also like him popping up an making a appearance in battle tower doubles or multi battles with his gardevoir altaria etc..maybe he can have a secret base you see him in after you get a frontier symbol.
I think it would be interesting to show Wally with more competitive Pokemon in a post-game battle. Either that or just more competitive movesets, items, etc. I think having a post-game rival battle with the "main rival" would be awesome if it was right before or right after they become a professor (or a professor's assistant, something to show that they've been working towards their goal). The rival could then have Pokemon potentially from past gens that are harder to obtain. Just a way of showing that they go REALLY out of their way to collect rare Pokemon and may hint at the fact that they even make connections with other trainers/aspiring professors in order to learn more about Pokemon. Love the content as always :D
2 things:
1) Don't forget that if you manage to avoid the fight in Rustboro City, they will approach you when heading into Mr. Briney's house, so that interaction will most likely need address as well.
2) I think Wally should have a pseudo-legend in a post game fight, and the other rival (May or Brendan) should have a Shedinja, because it's never seen in the main story and is an incredibly rare Pokémon to show off. Have them battle you in the post game area.
Technically Shedinja is not a "incredibly rare pokemon". You can catch Nincada right next to Rustboro.
I’m always so impressed with your attention to detail in these making of videos for the legacy games. You can tell you’re a long time fan of the series, and you respect the direction GF was going with the choices in each game. It is so refreshing, and I’m always hyped to see a new upload from you! Thank you for all the quality work!
Honestly, I think Brendan/May should upgrade your Pokedex either after Sootopolis or in the postgame. It would also solidify their role as becoming a Pokémon professor.
I think having Wally hidden away somewhere in the battle frontier for a huge fight would be awesome. After the fight they could have a small chance to show up as an opponent in the various battle frontier games where it makes sense. Could even increase their likelihood of showing up after achieving the silver/gold symbol as a way to show their drive as a trainer also increasing with yours.
For the postgame MainRival fight, taking inspiration from the ORAS after e4 "ceremonial duel" might be a good idea.
Just with rotating teams of both their mainstory pokemon as well as maybe some rare postgame editions (like a johto starter or something like Yanma, Kangaskan or Porygon2), depending on whether or not there will be a national dex.
I have seen a suggestion from another person in the comment section which I like: multible postgame mainrival fights with different teams based on your progress with the dex in different locations.
Postgame:
Wally- Have him be an optional fight at the battle frontier, with his final team being fully IV + EV'd out, with competitive movsets. He would finally be of what he dreamed of being, possibly after you have all gold medals he would appear, similarly to ORAS.
May/Brenden- I liked what they did with ORAS, them having a final fight where they had their first ever fight, route 103. Or Possibly, again in ORAS they had a little 'date' where they could create that and have a battle there. The rival could use pokemon that aren't in the hoenn pokedex. Along with a Johto starter that is strong against their own starter.
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all the gold medals woulf be to restrictive
@@bayronhicks3132 Maybe 1 Gold medal? Is that too much?
12:05 Cool Trainer Gerald- Ahem 🤨. Do I need to get Flannery to have a word with you?
I’m glad i wasn’t the only one who remembered the random Kecleon in the fire gym
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I remember cause the damn thing had flamethrower and was a pain to take out.
I LOVE IT! Giving the main rival weird/rare pokemon is such a cool idea, it's awsome the way you have chosen to show the character development rather than telling. As for post game like with Oras changing his team to include some Gen 3 OU pokemon with competitive sets makes sense, maybe Flygon For Alteria and possibly Starmie for Azumaril, both solid Pokemon with no real associations to another trainer in the region.
Put him in the lobby of the elite four. Make him battleable every time you beat the champion, and give him dialog along the lines of "I heard you beat the champion! If I can win against you here maybe I can go against the elite four!"
Idk gives him something to get stronger for, and actually acknowledges that you've beat the champion
In terms of post game, having the main rival have a changing team aside from their starter would be cool. They’ve already admitted they aren’t cut out to be a top tier battler, so having them use different teams to see how they work together would be fun research for them. Being able to find them randomly in the world or in buildings would be a nice touch since they are trying to collect more. They could even have Pokemon from previous regions to help fill out the players pokedex.
As for Wally, it would be cool to have him challenge you at the elite four outside the main building instead of the cave and have him mention that he beat them sometime after the player did.
I think both rivals should have post game fights.
Main Rival should have a new exotic team of rare Pokemon, ones that can only be ontained post game. They should all be fully evolved and strong enough to pose a challendge even if not difficult compared to Battle Frontier.
Wally should return with a literal crack team to test the player. He should talk about how he is taking on the Battle Frontier and has learned a lot of new strategies. Maybe change his team up only slightly to give him ace Pokemon that mirror the main battles your to expext from the Battle Frontier or past gym leaders.
I'm really enjoying seeing the progress as this comes along! Having the main rival get a few rarer pokemon is a great idea, and helps their story make a little more sense. It would be interesting to see some sort of little story with them trying to find some specific pokemon in the post game, like Jirachi maybe.
It would be awesome to see more of Wally as he grows as a trainer too, even if it's just him showing up a few more times for a scene or something.
Just give Brendan/May postgame fight with super rare pokemon like all sudo legendaries, starter, and maybe Eeveelution that was weak to your starter.
I've never played Emerald, only Sapphire and Alpha Sapphire, so I am unaware of the full changes/differences between Emerald and R/S, but this project is really cool! I've been playing through Crystal Legacy and have thoroughly enjoyed it thus far. Looking forward to this one!
Having a callback, like others have said, to ORAS with the Brendan/May battle on Route 103 would be cool!
For Wally, it'd be neat if you find him at his aunt/uncle's house or the Battle Frontier for periodic, repeatable battles to show he is continuing to train and grow his team.
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I like your rival battle updates a lot! Only thing what I would change is the Sootopolis dialogue to be an actual battle. Reasoning being that rival states he has arrived to a crossroad in their career, and asks MC to have a battle. Once player wins, rival states something like ”as expected”, thanks player for having a battle and then states that they are going to be a researcher, just like daddy is. Bit like Gary tells his true ambitions to Ash when he lost the battle in Silver Conference.
For post-game I’d add two battles for main rival: one after player completes Hoenn-dex (assuming it can be completed after E4) and the other when player completes national dex. For those battles rival’s title would change from PKMN TRAINER to PKMN RESEARCHER, and they would have six pokemon (containing not necessarily most powerful but rare(st) non-legendary pokemon). That would the first match.
The latter match would have a Hoenn-twist: to celebrate compeleted national dex player would be challenged to a double battle by rival Birch and professor Birch!
For Wally I’d just make his last battle veery difficult, with at least pseudo-legendary and/or even ”low tier” legendary added to his team.
Also, I subscribed because I want that cartridge to play it on my GBA SP! 😆
Another option for may and Brendan is to have them be found randomly in a different route each day. A noticed a lot of the base games are specifically good for filling the pokedex. Breloom can have false swipe and spore as a catcher. Pelipper has fly and surf as an hm slave. Magcargo has flame body for hatching eggs faster. What if the team's moveset changes to reflect that post game? They'd have those 3, the starter, the 5th member cycles through the updated members of their team (grumpig, kecleon, donphan, pinsir, and heracross), and then the final member could be different in each route to show off how they're being trained to evolve, or show off a new national dex pokemon for every location the rival is found in, to reflect the collecting part?
That way, they feel like they're traveling the world, looking for new pokemon. The pokemon look like its being changed to focus on collecting and not just battling. The gimmick isn't to have a challenging fight, but to see if you can find them each day, like hide and seek, and see which new pokemon is on their team this time. And it makes sense lore wise than to have someone who doesn't want to battle having a champion level team. They can have that kanto gym leader feel in gen 2, where they're strong enough but still weaker than the champion
Just based on your ideas, a main rival post game fight with just a bunch of rare high level Pokemon would be great, not really as a challenge, but maybe to show where some of these Pokemon can be caught. Underrated feature of Pokemon by the way, I remember seeing cool pokemon on enemy teams, and then immediately looking at my Pokedex to see where I could catch them.
a small idea i had for the main rival would be if they called you on your pokegear to let you know about mass outbreaks. normally you get mass outbreaks randomly after battles, and they only become active once you watch tv, which feels super random. i think this would be a really fitting post-game feature that doesn't involve battling. it would be even better if the list of pokemon you can get from mass outbreaks was expanded. maybe the rival could even give you a held item or something if you caught a certain rare/outbreak pokemon and showed it to them. that would make sense from a story perspective too, since a retired trainer would probably have a lot of held items that they don't need anymore
Main Rival: Gains a starter of the type their 5-mon team lacks in the last fight. From whichever previous generation is harder for the player to get, or even impossible to get. As part of their pursuit of becoming a pokemon professor they've become pen pals with a previous generation professor and as part of working together have been given a starter to raise as some kind of final test to become their successor. Perhaps the 'mon is also literally the offspring of one of the professor's. Interacting with them upon achieving milestones can also be the only way to access some Pokemon, if you'd like. Perhaps they become the player's connection to other regions via their connections to the previous gens' professors. They love to share their joy in finding and raising rare Pokemon with the player and will thus gift the player something otherwise unattainable every, idk, 50 unique pokemon in your dex.
Pretty sure canonically Wally passes away from his disease soon after you face him in Victory Road, but if I'm misremembering, he could tune his moveset and IV/EVs to full PvP competitive level (Smogon, Pokemon Showdown, etc) to fully realize the idea of his passion bringing him to the highest peaks of pokemon battling.
Basic stuff, I know. Low hanging fruit. Still, it feels like it'd fit well with the direction you're taking their arcs.
He definitely survives in the mega timeline. He's in SM at the Battle Tree.
With the Rival focusing on catching Rare Pokemon, what about Mirage Island and making it a guaranteed post-game event, if anything, for flavor? It could also potentially tie in Latios and Latias, who are starting to roam the map from that location.
For Wally with the inclusion of the Battle Frontier, allowing him to randomly be an opponet. Once you have fought him once I believe shaping up a hardcore team with competitive movesets and iteams would only help show his growth as a trainer.
A post game Wally with Jirachi would be awesome and it gives you huge flexibility on the moveset. If I could wish for a perfect post game, it would include some kind of restriction on your team (monotypes, baby team, gen restriction...) in a Tower Battle.
Maybe an epilogue that has to do with both Jirachi and Wally. That's what I think.
@@mingacio1996 great idea. Jirachi definitely suits him. I can totally see it. Maybe you can RematcH Wally with it after you get a Symbol from the battle frontier or he shows up with it in tow at the top of the trainer Hill..
I don't think another fight against Brendon/May in the postgame would be fitting their character arc.
Maybe they could reward the player with rare items and Eggs of rare Pokémon for helping them with their research.
For Example, Task 1:" I want to conduct research on Milotic, can you show me one please?"
Task 2: Can you show me a smeargle with move "X"
You get the idea.
I think that has a lot of potential :)
I really like this series so far. I also think that you should implement the postgame Brendan/May battle from ORAS. Aside from that, this is pretty much perfect!
This is so satisfying to see! Love the innovations. In the postgame, I'd love to see a team-up with Wally against an upgraded Archie & Maxie, who are still chasing after postgame Kyogre & Groudon. Maybe May/Brendan completes their Pokédex and takes their choice of a Johto starter!
One thing you could do is instead of battling Wally in Mauville City, you could have run into him being picked on by two Aqua/Magma grunts and it force you into a double battle with him. This would help reinforce that double battling is the new thing for this generation. You could then later have him bump into the trainer and he could have dialogue that you helping him in that double battle have him the confidence to double battle Tate and Liz. This would give the player a sense of mentorship and let them feel like their actions in the story affect other characters. This would also give you a sense of accomplishment when you encounter him in Victory Road, knowing you led to him being successful.
I'm glad you actually included Wally in this discussion. I enjoy the idea of his story and I think most of the rivals have a great story concept but lack in execution. As for post game fights, maybe giving the "main rival" a legendary of some sort like a Regi or Jirachi could also build upon the catching rare Pokémon aspect and maybe after beating them, they can tell you where they found said legendary
Giving Wallys Gardevoir Double Team just seems evil x)
I’d rather see it have Shadow Ball since you made ghost special now so it covers a bit more.
I think giving Brendan/May a team that rotates members in and out, just to show off their new unique captures would be very fun, f.e. let them have a Feebas pre Lilycove that turns into a Wailord, or a Slugma at the optional Rustboro fight that’s a Torquoal at 118 or something.
For post-game May/Brendan, since their arc concludes with them deciding their passion is to become a Pokemon professor, I think it would be cool if they help you find a Legendary/Mythical. Hoenn has some great options for Legendaries/Mythicals you could encounter at the end of a post-game quest-line, such as Jirachi, Deoxys, Latios/Latias, etc. And if we want a battle with May/Brendan, we could fight them prior to encountering the rare Pokémon as sort of a test to see who should get the chance to get the rare Pokémon
As for Wally in the post-game, I like other commenters’ suggestion of having him be a cracked trainer with a full competitively-viable team in the Battle Frontier
I think probably the easiest thing would be rematches, obviously. As a Gen Two diehard, I loved facing Silver at the Pokemon League on certain days. It was just nice to see him and felt very alive. So, while you can face Wally multiple times naturally, if there was maybe a scene or two of postgame opportunities to fight him. Maybe he trains with Tate and Lisa for his Gardevoir. Something like that. Or even putting Wally in the Battle Frontier as a random opponent or in the Battle Pyramid as a challenge to show his strength was enough to get him noticed by Scott.
As for MR, Blue was always ahead of you in the Pokedex, maybe if they helped with increased chances of finding Pokemon like Bagon, or maybe gave you rare stuff like Pokemon with egg moves. They might also act as Bottle Cap traders later or as a move tutor and change stuff for existing Pokemon in your party. Could be egg moves again sorta like a different Move Rememberer. Shows off their knowledge.
I'm sure whatever you do will be dope. I love the Wallace/Steven postgame.
Give the rival a weird smelling obsession like Blue had, and they will be equally as cool as Blue.
All joking aside, I did like the competitiveness I felt when Blue said he caught 40 different types of pokemon in gen 1. If Brendan and May are filling the pokedex, then maybe a comment of them having x number of pokemon (just a few under the max one could get by that time. If the max without leveling past their ace is 48, say they got 45) could do something similar. It makes them feel like a competent collector since they are close to the max you could get, as compared to a weaker trainer who may or may not be doing well in filling their pokedex.
May/Brendan should have a book on their desk that each day when read gives a hint to a location. If you go to the location that day, you'll find them there, hunting rare Pokemon.
It would be cool for them to have increased levels and one new Pokemon from the area they're currently in, probably the rarest in the area.
Possible locations and Pokemon: Granite Cave with Nosepass; Meteor Falls, Bagon room with Salamence; Sky Pillar with Claydol.
An added bonus could be Cave of Origin, but they don't battle you, just talk about how they wish they could've met Kyogre or Groudon.
A post game battle for Wally where he has caught the other roaming legendary and obtained one other rare and interesting Pokemon that he would have had to have traded from a Kanto/Johto trainer (like Porygon2, Snorlax or Scizor for example) on a fully competitive and dangerous team to show his dedication both to finding rare and interesting Pokemon but also training a powerful team
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Main Rival: Leave them with their starter, but then use a bunch of strange interactions between different pokemon. Things like Ledian making use of its unique moveset for defensive set-up to baton pass. The player never sees this type of interaction truly happen and studying pokemon would also involve seeing unique interactions with pokemon competetive battlers often ignore. Rather than it being a hard fight it might sinply be an extended fight seeing new things.
Wally: A dialogue with Stephen Stone after beating him where he feels refreshed that TWO young trainers have beat him and hes excited for the future. Then lead the player to an epic battle with Wally.
I know this is off-topic from this video specifically, and Im not sure if you've talked about this stuff in other videos/streams, but I had a few questions:
- Do you plan on fixing the busted RNG code, specifically with shiny hunting in mind?
- Do you have plans to add in extra content like implementing the Altering Cave pokemon spawns and adding in the extra trainer battles from the e-reader cards?
- Do you plan on making special items like the Eon ticket, Old Sea Map, etc. available to obtain in game?
Kind of agreeing with what most people are saying. I like the idea of repeatable postgame rival fights, but really showing that they're cemented in their new roles.
Wally getting cracked to Frontier Brain levels, fully committing to battle. Either we fight him in Petalburg, the Battle Frontier, or in Victory Road.
Brendan/May we can fight on Route 103 with all kinds of rare and maybe even legendary Pokémon.
I think fighting alongside one or both of our rivals in double battles would be pretty on-brand for Emerald, which is what DPP did a generation later within the main story. Against who, I am not certain. Juan/Wallace and/or Tate/Liza rematches? That might be fun.
Great video as always. I think there's a lot of potential in having May/Brendan as replayable battles in either Littleroot Town (where they're helping their dad) to show off rare Pokemon (Kanto/Johto Pokemon, for starters) and maybe give you hints on where to find some obscure ones (Feebas, Regis, etc.)
For Wally, I think a neat idea to give some environmental and subtle storytelling for his growth.
After either Flareny or Norman, you can make it where if a player checks thr Gym Statue for the certified trainers, it will have Wally first. A subtle "He got there before you" nod to show how much that fire is lit. It's something ORAS did and I think it would be a very nice touch here.
I really love the idea of making your "first" rival a Pokemon collector of sorts, so I'd love the Brandon/May kick-off the post-game by challenging you to a fight outside of the lab with a full team of six rare Pokemon. Maybe one of the Gen 2 starter pokemon you get from completing the pokedex (that would show the efforts the rival goes through to collect pokemon) and perhaps a Milotic (a pokemon so rare in Gen 3 that I just learned it is actually from Gen 3, not Gen 4).
These changes are great, can’t wait to play this.
Some suggestions:
- The pre-League Wally battle should take place outside the entrance of Victory Road, by the flowers
- Would be dope if GBA-style versions of Wally’s encounter/battle themes from ORAS were implemented in EL
- Wally should definitely be a post-game superboss in the Battle Frontier with a more competitive team. Gardevoir can stay, maybe add the unused starter as part of a Grass/Fire/Water core and some strong post-game Safari Zone Pokémon like Ampharos, Ursaring and Houndoom.
- I know it goes against the ethos of the main rival’s new storyline, but I think it would be cute to have a final post-game battle with them at the same spot you first battled in Route 103. Just add another Pokémon for a full team of six
I don't know if you thought of this, but my favorite part about adding Azumarill to Wally's team is that Marill would be a natural pickup for him when visiting his family in Petalburg, since Marill is found in and around Petalburg! Would love to see the rival dialogue after the champion fight extended/developed - it always felt like May was hinting at something more to me, but it never goes anywhere.
Wally leveling up like 3 levels and challenging you right after leaving the victory road cave would be awesome and super menacing, like “no way we made it at the same time one more battle before we challenge the league” and then completely unexpected battle where he has a chance to absolutely wipe you.
Giving May/ Brendon some dialogue after beating e4 to point you in the right direction for the Regis would be an awesome way to show how impressive their rare Pokémon knowledge has gotten
I've always felt like the Gen 3 Rival's pokemon tied into the Gen 3 aesthetic of Land and Sea, and eventually Sky. Nowadays, we come to expect the Grass/Water/Fire team, but in R/S/E I think it's actually a bit meaningful. In Ruby and Sapphire, your rival will have a team of 3, made up of Wailmer/Numel/Shroomish/Starter, with a Swellow rounding it out. Honestly, if they were just higher level and actually evolved it would make for a fairly solid team on its own.
In Emerald, the theme seems strongly about tying those different elements together. Lombre/Ludicolo is Water and Earth, Pelipper is Water and Sky, Tropius is Earth and Sky, and Slugma (/Magcargo) is (meant to be) Fire and Earth. Even the starters are like this, with Swampert being both Water and Earth, Blaziken being an earthbound bird that can reach the sky, and even Sceptile being a Grass type associated with tall trees. It's just that those pokemon are let down by not being high enough level to evolve, and by having trash movesets. Variety is the name of the game, which they simply didn't manage to pull off in regards to difficulty.
Aside from all the Wally ideas here: maybe rematches with Brendan/May in the postgame could be fun. They would still not really pose a huge challenge but could show off 6 different, distinctly rare or hard to find/catch Pokémon to really cement them trying to complete that Pokédex while still having a side interest in battling the protagonist, even though they have given up being as strong as the player.
For my post game rival team ideas I think it would make sense that they would have a team that reflects what the player ends up doing on their journey to complete the Pokédex, like exploring all corners of Hoenn and getting the rarer Pokémon. 1) the starter septile 2) the other fossil Pokémon the player didn't get, rival found it, 3) crobat, evolving a Pokémon through friendship, 4) relicanth 5) a shiny linone for its pick up ability and HM slave uses and a swallow
Subscribed and watched to the end! You need to increase Wally's level cap as well, he always felt like a speed bump. Secondly, adding Exploud might feel like a solid secret add if you wanted a secret fight in the rival's home later on, though I understand why that wouldn't fit with the story you are going for. They could be like I got some of these Pokémon from the professor let's try them out and they be this crazy team almost in line with the Battle Frontier.
I think even if the main rival doesn't get into battling, having a postgame fight for them featuring some rare pokemon from another region would be interesting and be a great way to show them coming into their role of pokemon researcher even more. It could even be a starter from another region that completes the elemental triangle to give enough of a post game challenge while keeping their story up.
I had an idea that goes along with the main rival arc. The rare pokemon they catch could be the level they can be found at. It makes an unbalanced team level wise, but I think it would drive home the "I don't like battling" theme.
Also, the main rival post game could give a quest for a rare pokemon to be caught. Like they show you their dex and it gives the partial entry to yours so you can now use the location feature to go catch the rare pokemon.
I love the change to make the May/Brendan rival more of a professor type character. Really helps tie their character together to their father, the professor, like the player character is tied to their father, the gym leader. I feel like for the post game, May/Brendan could make use of altering cave, the unused cave that was supposed to have a mystery gift event to change what pokemon spawned there. Maybe have Brendan/May spawn randomly around the map like the reporters do and when you beat them they say something like "Oh by the way, I was looking around this weird cave on Route 103 and found a bunch of [Insert rare pokemon here]. It really helped filling out the pokedex for Dad". You could even try to change their team to include the rare pokemon thats in the cave, so its up to the player to realize that the new pokemon on their team is the rare pokemon thats spawning there right now instead of outright telling them its that pokemon. This would help add an organic way to re-add these exclusive pokemon or add any other new spawns you would want for post game. Gen 3 is my favorite gen and im so hyped for this. Keep up the good work!
I'm really glad magneton didnt get cut off of wallys team. Its a good call back to the first battle in mauville and its a really good balancing member of his team. While future games dont matter for legacy, since wally has so little to go off of in base gen 3 and azumarill is kinda being pulled from the future as well, its worth noting magneton/zone basically become his second ace in the remakes, being on every one of his teams with more than one mon on them.
I love the Wally changes! The Petalburg fight feels like just enough to make him complete. Azumarill is my favorite Pokemon and it 100% fits his vibe. I know this is supposed to be in line with the gen 3 games, but I think it would be cool (and honestly really funny) if you added Gallade for him.
I really like this tying up the character arcs. I kinda thought Wally was going to get the last starter, but Azumarill does fit him.
These are all excellent ideas. Building on your idea of having the main rival be a collector, I think that the events to catch rare pokémon, such as mew, deoxys, mewtwo, etc, could be given by them at different stages of the game (calling us, and going on a quest with the old sea map, for example)
Optional rival postgame double battle in Meteor Falls would be crazy! You and Wally fighting against Steven and Wallace with level 80s.
Can’t wait for the full release!!
I may be getting a bit crazy, but a postgame option to battle both Wally and the main rival would be good. Maybe have them with Kyogre and Groudon respectively. It'd be a neat nod to each character catching a legendary for their unique reasons and the player already having access to Rayquaza in Emerald.
>>Post-game rival battle idea.
Post game have May/Brandon ask the player about their experience finding a very rare Pokemon on Sky Pillar. They ask you if you'd be willing to take them there so that they could capture some of the Pokemon found in the ruins. The main rival also seems to hint to you that they might even challenge you to a battle there with some of the new Pokemon they caught just as a small thank you for taking them there.
As you make your way to the top you encounter a two team admins, one from Aqua and one from Magma. Both are still set on their team's initial goals of re-awakening Groudon/Kyogre and finishing what their team leaders failed to do. Having witnessed the power of Rayquaza, the two have surmised that if either captures Rayquaza it will give them unfettered control over either legendary Pokemon of sea or land. Initially the two admins got to the summit at the same time, but instead of finding Rayquaza they found each other and were about to battle to stop the other's plans.
Upon seeing the player at the summit, the admins put aside their battle realizing the player is directly responsible for why Rayquaza is no longer at Sky Pillar and assume the player may already be in possession of Rayquaza. Thus, the two form a temporary truce to double battle you on the spot for Rayquaza while May/Brandon backs you up in the double battle. After the battle May/Brandon gives the admins a stern lecture and the admins saunter out of Sky Ruins realizing they're only pursuing a lost cause at this point. From then on, May/Brandon will hang around Sky Ruins where you can battle them by request. After the first fight you may encounter them in various other isolated places researching Pokemon that you can always offer a rechallenge.
Postgame Wally could maybe have several different teams (Still keeping his signature Gardevoir of course) that he'll randomly swap between each to make his rematches more interesting. Maybe even add a legendary/mythical or 2 to each team to really spice it up.
For May/Brendan, a rematch with them is alright I suppose. But since their primary drive is catching Pokemon, I would like to see them interact with Altering Cave somehow, with that being how you could obtain a lot of the missing Pokemon from the Pokedex. Originally, this area was going to be tied to some distribution events that were never held. I think It would be cool to have that functionality finally brought into the game in some way, and May/Brendan are a perfect catalyst for that.
@@latentpotential4520 yes on all that..including the e reader stuff would be clutch imo
Glad to see Pinsir got twin needle. Commented on that before and it makes me happy. Anyways, suggestion for the post game encounters. What if it was revealed Wally and your main rival both met together sometime off screen, and swapped notes on Pokemon to adjust their final teams?
Your main rival would learn a thing or two on proper Pokemon battling from Wally, and pick up a strong Pokemon that’s hard to raise (not quite a pseudo legendary but close) to show “Hey, look how far I’ve come! I can really do this now!”
Meanwhile, Wally will learn more about Pokemon diversity from your main rival and make a switch or two to his line up to feature much more uncommon Pokemon the player character wouldn’t be familiar with.
The post-game rival fight in a Pokémon Emerald ROM hack could be a real highlight if it introduces some unexpected twists! Imagine your rival having a revamped, more competitive team with unique move sets and strategic items. Throw in dynamic weather effects that change mid-battle or a field effect that shifts depending on the time of day-this would keep the player on their toes! It’s a great way to challenge seasoned players and give that feeling of a true, final showdown. It’s these kinds of enhancements that make ROM hacks stand out and provide that fresh yet nostalgic experience. Hope to see a fight like this in your recommended ROMs, SmithPlays!