Personally for X and Y, I feel like Grant, the second gym leader, is the most challenging. His Amorus is easy enough but if you don't fix the paralysis, he Tyrunt is a problem. Strong Jaw bite which has a 30% chance to flinch and you may still be paralysised from his previous pokemon. If you're not prepared, he can sweep your team. Ashamed to say I've been sweeped by him before
if we're talking just base game paldea (sans the dlc) i think the hardest trainer in the region is eri by a landslide the only trainer in gen 9 to knock me flat on my ass not once but in two seperate playthroughs that's gotta be worth something. as for gen 6 i think the second gym leader grant at least deserves a mention having two fossil mons with good coverage that early in the game is definately a threat and and amaura having a functionally base 117 power ice move with stab is nothing to sneeze at.
How is Whitney even remotely close to the hardest fight on Johto when Clair exists? The game practically throws so many ways to easily clear Whitney at you, whereas even now with all the information we have, Clair’s Kingdra has no reliable counters, it’s so bulky and does so much damage. And that’s after you had to go through her Gyarados and 2 Dragonair that punched holes in your team with damage and paralysis. Btw, if something is only hard if you lack information, then it was never truly hard. For something to actually be hard, it needs to still challenge you even with proper knowledge, such as Clair.
@MayHugger it's difficult to include the starters as for who can help you with Whitney when statisticly they're going to be male, meaning you have to contend with attract and cute charm
I personally love the battle against hau as you arrive at ula ula island and malie city in the ultra games. He has a solid team of mid stage starter, an eeveelution, noibat, tauros and alolan raichu. its like the battle against gen 3 rival before mauville but even more intense
Lowkey, I think the hardest fight in Galar is versus Calyrex-Rider. Not because he’s hard to defeat - but because you have to survive his insane attacks while trying to catch him. If just one of your Pokemon goes down, he’ll steamroll you with Moxie Boosts.
For me, the hardest trainer in GSC and with HeartGold and SoulSilver, is undoubtedly Red. His team is level 81 in gen 2 and a whopping 88 in the remakes. In GSC, his team consists of Pikachu/Espeon/Venusaur/Charizard/Snorlax/Blastoise. In the remakes however, his team has changed to Pikachu/Lapras/Charizard/Venusaur/Blastoise/Snorlax. Red's team in gen 4 is a bit of a downgrade as now half of his team is weak to Electric. Therefore, Red is the hardest trainer in generation 2. In generation 4, that was taken by Cynthia
The professor battle in base S/V really threw me for a loop. I guess my team wasn't built very well because the paradox pokemon got me. One of the very few battles in recent memory that I had to retry. Not a trainer battle, but finding an alpha shiny Walrein in Legends Arceus when I barely started the game made me sad. I just couldn't catch it.
Sorry, but I am a complete noob regarding Nuzlocke challenges. I only completed 4 of my runs. But I never had a problem with Elesa. You just shouldn´t go into the fight with underleveled Pokemon and you will be fine.
Fair picks. I 100% agree with some for sure and could totally agree with the others. Recently, I've been trying to play extremely chill to make them harder with no restrictions, but going unprepared, and some battles can get a bit annoying. I didn't evolve Piplup for BDSP and oh boy he was not ready for Cynthia even at lvl 78.
I'd also say that the second rival fight in RBY/FRLG can be difficult too for beginners. Especially because there's really no good way to train for it once you reach Cerulean City, since you are unable to backtrack until you receive HM01.
alola is not relatively easy, USUM is consider to this day the hardest game to nuzlock in the franchise, and no, its not cause of ultra necrozma, that adds too but all the totems are nightmares, 2 vs 1 battles with usually weather teams or nice strategies, araquanid and lutantis beeing very famous runkillers.
Funny enough, I recently played White for the first time and Elesa was actually easy using my own Zebstrika. Most of the game was, actually... except Ghetsis' Hydreigon. His Hydreigon beat the shit out of my team like, 7 times or something. Also it was the ONLY trainer in the game that made me use items in battle! Not even Cynthia in DP was that difficult...
Personally for X and Y, I feel like Grant, the second gym leader, is the most challenging. His Amorus is easy enough but if you don't fix the paralysis, he Tyrunt is a problem. Strong Jaw bite which has a 30% chance to flinch and you may still be paralysised from his previous pokemon. If you're not prepared, he can sweep your team. Ashamed to say I've been sweeped by him before
if we're talking just base game paldea (sans the dlc) i think the hardest trainer in the region is eri by a landslide the only trainer in gen 9 to knock me flat on my ass not once but in two seperate playthroughs that's gotta be worth something. as for gen 6 i think the second gym leader grant at least deserves a mention having two fossil mons with good coverage that early in the game is definately a threat and and amaura having a functionally base 117 power ice move with stab is nothing to sneeze at.
Yeah, Eri was tough. Without a doubt the hardest fight in the base game.
How is Whitney even remotely close to the hardest fight on Johto when Clair exists?
The game practically throws so many ways to easily clear Whitney at you, whereas even now with all the information we have, Clair’s Kingdra has no reliable counters, it’s so bulky and does so much damage. And that’s after you had to go through her Gyarados and 2 Dragonair that punched holes in your team with damage and paralysis.
Btw, if something is only hard if you lack information, then it was never truly hard. For something to actually be hard, it needs to still challenge you even with proper knowledge, such as Clair.
I think the point Pichupedia made was that a fight is a hard fight if it requires you to use specific Pokemon on your team.
@ That is a LOT of “specific” Pokemon that can help though, 2 of which can be starters.
@MayHugger it's difficult to include the starters as for who can help you with Whitney when statisticly they're going to be male, meaning you have to contend with attract and cute charm
I personally love the battle against hau as you arrive at ula ula island and malie city in the ultra games. He has a solid team of mid stage starter, an eeveelution, noibat, tauros and alolan raichu. its like the battle against gen 3 rival before mauville but even more intense
The ultra games definitely weren't perfect but what they did do right was the fun and challenging difficulty
Lowkey, I think the hardest fight in Galar is versus Calyrex-Rider. Not because he’s hard to defeat - but because you have to survive his insane attacks while trying to catch him. If just one of your Pokemon goes down, he’ll steamroll you with Moxie Boosts.
For me, the hardest trainer in GSC and with HeartGold and SoulSilver, is undoubtedly Red. His team is level 81 in gen 2 and a whopping 88 in the remakes. In GSC, his team consists of Pikachu/Espeon/Venusaur/Charizard/Snorlax/Blastoise. In the remakes however, his team has changed to Pikachu/Lapras/Charizard/Venusaur/Blastoise/Snorlax. Red's team in gen 4 is a bit of a downgrade as now half of his team is weak to Electric. Therefore, Red is the hardest trainer in generation 2. In generation 4, that was taken by Cynthia
The professor battle in base S/V really threw me for a loop. I guess my team wasn't built very well because the paradox pokemon got me. One of the very few battles in recent memory that I had to retry. Not a trainer battle, but finding an alpha shiny Walrein in Legends Arceus when I barely started the game made me sad. I just couldn't catch it.
Good video dude
Sorry, but I am a complete noob regarding Nuzlocke challenges. I only completed 4 of my runs. But I never had a problem with Elesa. You just shouldn´t go into the fight with underleveled Pokemon and you will be fine.
for me while pleying pokemon RS fights that coused me some traubles was wattson,norman.winnona, archie, and wally on victory road
Fair picks. I 100% agree with some for sure and could totally agree with the others.
Recently, I've been trying to play extremely chill to make them harder with no restrictions, but going unprepared, and some battles can get a bit annoying.
I didn't evolve Piplup for BDSP and oh boy he was not ready for Cynthia even at lvl 78.
I'd also say that the second rival fight in RBY/FRLG can be difficult too for beginners. Especially because there's really no good way to train for it once you reach Cerulean City, since you are unable to backtrack until you receive HM01.
alola is not relatively easy, USUM is consider to this day the hardest game to nuzlock in the franchise, and no, its not cause of ultra necrozma, that adds too but all the totems are nightmares, 2 vs 1 battles with usually weather teams or nice strategies, araquanid and lutantis beeing very famous runkillers.
it depends on many things like witch starter you have . if it is a normal run or nuzlocke.on if you play with level caps,if you are speedruning.
Agree with your Kalos picks. I lost Pokémon to them on my recent nuzlocke
Clair is so much tougher than Whitney
I'd say Wattson is the hardest battle in RSE
Funny enough, I recently played White for the first time and Elesa was actually easy using my own Zebstrika. Most of the game was, actually... except Ghetsis' Hydreigon. His Hydreigon beat the shit out of my team like, 7 times or something. Also it was the ONLY trainer in the game that made me use items in battle! Not even Cynthia in DP was that difficult...
If you pick treecko it probably is