Alpha Sapphire cleaned up Team Aqua's rather strange motivation by changing their objectives from wanting to create more ocean for water pokemon in a region thats mostly water to wanting to create a biblical grade catastrophe to reset civilization and return to harmony with nature while Magma's objective to increase the landmass for human prosperity in the modern paradigm was already solid Edit: the diametric opposition of seeking improved conditions by turning back the clock and rushing headlong into the future are a big part of what make that feel like a real ideological conflict that can have two former friends from the same old team at each other's throats leading separate opposing factions
I suppose I see your point. As Water Pokémon are the most abundant type, they aren't exactly under-represented. The existence of land doesn't harm biodiversity, it just created biomes for freshwater species to flourish. The only motivation that makes sense for ORAS' Archie is that limiting the human impact in the environment would help Pokémon flourish. Even then it's not perfect since Hoenn's cities run rather clean, even New Mauville with its Infinity engine. Maybe Smith is right to keep it simple here
Also to add, Archie thought it would be a thematical end to this world when Kyogre was awakened. It would bring about a new world where nature is in harmony, but the current world will have to be destroyed for such a new world. And I think it works far better, even tho Maxie’s goals aren’t quite as thematically sound (still works that he thought Groudon would usher in a new beginning or era but it would mean destroying this one)
The orbs aren't the wrong way around in original Gen III. It's a detail that gets lost in subsequent generations, when HGSS introduces a Jade Orb for Rayquaza and ORAS switches them to the way people _think_ the Orbs are supposed to go. It's also hard to actually spot in the games themselves, because the Orbs _aren't meant to match the colour of the Pokemon's skin._ They're meant to match the glowing markings on them. The problem is that Groudon's only glow blue on the title screen of Ruby and otherwise they're black, as opposed to Kyogre's always being red. And that's not me clutching at straws. The concurrent anime season depicts the two Legendaries using their respective orbs to take control of other beings to aid them. Kyogre uses the Red Orb to possess Archie, and Groudon uses the Blue Orb to possess Pikachu. When that happens, the patterns of each Pokemon's markings appear on the Orbs, and then on the bodies of their hosts. And in the games themselves, the Orbs _do exactly what they're supposed to do._ The Red Orb _does_ awaken Kyogre, and the Blue Orb _does_ awaken Groudon. Archie and Maxie's shared problem isn't that they're idiots who took the wrong orbs and pissed off the Legendaries, it's that they were arrogant enough to believe that they could control Kyogre and Groudon at all. By contrast, when the player presents the other Orb in Ruby/Sapphire, _that's_ when the Pokemon react to the wrong Orbs, by becoming hostile and attacking the player. Groudon and Kyogre aren't doing what they do because they're angry and lashing out, they're just so cataclysmically powerful that them merely existing is enough to cause natural disasters. After being awakened they're literally just vibing. It's not until they see each other in Emerald, and their opposite number's Orb in R/S, that they become violent.
Minor change but when the “climax” is happening, can it rain everywhere in Hoenn? Not just in the one spot where Kyogre and Groudon and fighting. Flying anywhere and hearing the cheery music with a bright sunny sky can be jarring given the “world ending” feeling their feud has. Maybe a slight dialogue change too for some people like mom telling you to be careful?
@@BRY0NZ That would require programming in an entirely new weather condition. Fog wasn't introduced until Gen 4, and it's entirely unfun mechanically anyway.
Here are 2 things I'd like to see improved in Emerald Legacy in terms of the villains: 1: Have the 2 grunts you see at the museum double battle you. It makes more sense for them to go after you at the same time. 2: Have Team Magma members, as well as Maxie himself be going through the Sea Floor Cavern, trying to find Archie, but being held up by all the grunts there.
I really like the parallel of Aqua having electric for a secondary type while Magma gets grass, feels like they're actually playing into the strenths of their weathers. Also, interesting choice not to commit to the revamped team aqua/magma identities from ORAS, I think I still like those a bit more as they show some conflicting ethos in what's good for the world (progress v. nature), but bringing this conflict closer to a real world conflict I knew nothing about is quite fascinating!
I always thought it was a wasted opportunity to not have a double battle against both of the villain team leaders, teaming up to try and stop you in the midgame, either right before or inside the orb-tower
I think it’s a cool idea, but I don’t think it would work for 2 reasons: 1. It doesn’t feel in character to me for them to even think about teaming up against the player character and 2. I don’t think it really fits in the game. At Mt. Pyre, there too busy dealing with each other, and making a totally new event rubs me the wrong way
@Casterisk45510 yeah I hear that. Definitely could be a stretch, but I think it could be done in the vein of "I know we don't agree, but this kid has been fucking us BOTH up, let's try and work together this once to get the orbs/stop this kid from stopping us" sortve like they are at a point where they're willing to let either side get their orb, as long as they themselves are the first ones to use their respective orb. The main problem being the player character always turning up and ruining their plans, so I think it could work if done right. I do see how adding a new event/battle would be off-putting
@Casterisk45510 or also, it could even be an end-game event that's only available after beating the story/elite 4. Maybe they've settled down somewhat and come to their senses, and want one last rematch against the player, for whatever reason.
The two leaders grabbing the wrong orbs in base Emerald sounds ridiculous. "I gonna try and control this titan with an orb that is, strangely enough, the color of the titan it has a rivalry with. I couldn't have grabbed the wrong one! The other one was the color of the titan I'm trying to control!" It makes them sound inept and unthreatening. Same for their team lineups. Thank you for changing that. It's nice to have a villain that isn't just a lame joke for the protagonist to roll over.
Reminds me of team rocket and how or why they don't have all of the gambling pokemon. Seriously they control both cities that have gambling and don't take the pokemon with them. Dratini abra Porygon they would have been better overall having teleport mons or futuristic ones
@@EarthboundmikeHonestly giving the early grunts the basic mons is fine. Later ones EVOS to show it's the same ones and the game corner grunts get those mons with bad moves as they just obtained them. Showing them as a team of messy mons
Because the stolen rare Pokémon go to the boss, he and the executives get the strong stuff, everyone else is stuck with common Zubat and Rattata. It shows how greedy Giovanni is.
I think the "boss fight" at Mt Pyre should be Matt and Courtney teaming up to prevent the player. Big "enemy of my enemy" vibes, neither of us can afford you stopping our boss.
I do love me some rival teamups. Half the reason the Gen 4 Lance/Clair fight is so awesome. (On that related note - it'd be nice to have more /Wally content so those guys are more present too.)
@@HeraldBFC Well, Smith already talked about the awkwardness of Wally waltzing in Victory Road out of nowhere, meanwhile Brandon/May disappear after an OPTIONAL fight in Lilycove City, especially since they never fully evolved their starter (this might be corrected in ORAS, but I'm not sure, additionally you get apost-credit-fight against a mega-evolving starter). So if Smith already changed parts of the main storyline, he might as well have plans for Brandon/May and Wally 😉
Take a shot every time Smith says any of "Poochyena, Zubat, Numel, Carvanha". I reccomend using water as a substitute for alcohol, unless you want to die.
Is it bad that i always thought that Emerald should've given us a double battle with the 2 Evil Team Leaders? Like- imagine a scenario where Maxie & Archie talk & go *"This brat has been in our case for a good while, so how about we put our differences to the side so we can take them out once and for all?"* For a game that introduced Double Battles, with Emerald adding a lot more of them in the story, it always bothered me that we never had that for Archie & Maxie
Hey, our leader may not be the brightest, but he means well (even if he didn't realize our organization is apart of the good guys until a couple of years later).
Clamperl line love!!! I'm so happy seeing Huntail and Gorebyss see the light of day. Since it's always seemed like a kind of special pokemon to me, between it in the anime and its unique evolution gimmick (honestly always gave me vibes similar to castform), I wonder if it could be given a small moment with the aqua admins? Like, if there could either be a gift or they tell you about this rare pokemon and where it's found. Does something like that sound cool to anyone else?
I think adding Torkoal to some of the magma grunts would give them more fire type hoenn representation. Not too many though since it's Flannery's ace. Super glad you added Courtney back but if may suggest something I believe all the admins should have unique over wolrd sprites. Seeing Maxie fight you with a regular grunt in the Space Center always felt offputting. As a kid I never really thought of them as someone important because of how they look the same as a grunt. Another cool thing would be to make Archie and the Aqua grunts jump out of water in Meteor Falls. I think that would be hilarious.
I feel like some of the Aqua Grunts you fight should have Clamperl too, it makes sense since you're giving the Admins the evolutions. Some of the Grunts could use it
@JayClearman411 thing is, if the evolutions are going to the Admins, it makes a certain amount of sense for grunts to be given pokemon the higher-ups are familiar with and could "easily acquire"
Not so much to do with story, but I could never get over the fact that Maxie, the leader of an entire evil team, has a Zubat (not Golbat or Crobat) on top of Mt. Chimney
I think while "sunny" and "rain" as weather is the go to for the teams, there should also be some instances where "sandstorm" or "hail" should be the focus of some trainers, especially with the changes like special defense boosts for rock and how blizzard would always hit etc.
I like the Blue Orb been associated with Groudon and the Red Orb to Kyogre, because it show how opposite could also be complementary. But then we should not portray them as the wrong orb, but more like how Ruby Omega/Sapphire Alpha used them (to calm the legendary after the "correct" Orb awaken and enrage them). Also I think both teams could have proper motivations if we allow them to not be cartoonish villains. For Magma we actually don't need to go too far from the game, they want to create polder (land reclamation) for humans (and terrestrial Pokémon). And for Aqua I think we can rebrand them as environmental activists, like Sea Sheperds (both have pirate vibe) and Hoenn had even an "environmental" tragedy (either Abandoned Ship or Sea Mauville).
On the topic of storyline changes, can we talk about the exclusive abilities of the legendary Pokemon? Groudon summons a drought, a devastating weather occurrence that can last months or years that slowly torments the land and its inhabitants by killing off plant life and the people and animals that rely on those plants as a source of food, not to mention the lack of water to sustain animal life. Meanwhile Kyogre summons a drizzle, a pleasant calm rain. Changing the name of drizzle to something like Torrential Downpour, Flash Flood, Endless Storm, Tsunami, or Deluge would be a miniscule change that would do wonders and rectify an issue I've had with the story since I was 9.
I think for post game, you should give them a send-off like in the Battle Frontier like how ORAS did at their disappointing post-game island. They should then go back to their bases and try to work to actually help Hoenn instead of being so engrossed in their ideologies that they cannot help but cause problems. They should also give you their Mach Call number so you can rebattle them like the gym leaders
I love the new additions made to each team. They got so repetitive to fight because of just how many Mons were overlapping with each other. My only gripe is the change to which orb gets taken being changed. ORAS showed what happens if they take the correct orb and it’s not good for anyone. Personally, I feel like you could make it so that they grabbed the opposite orb because each team was in a desperate rush to play keep away from the other. Maxie taking the blue orb because you just showed up alongside Archie, he quickly takes the blue orb to get it away from Aqua but Archie does the same with the red orb, they both flee and have to work with what they have.
Looks good! Would be interesting if post-game Maxie and Archie used Sand and Hail teams to show them becoming more flexible in their thinking. Once the National Dex is unlocked, Maxie gains access to Sandstream Tyranitar and Archie gains access to Lapras, Dewgong, and Cloyster.
I don't agree with the "they used the wrong orb" theory. After all, Groudon's shown to have blue energy under his armor, as best shown in the Ruby Version title screen _and_ their iconic confrontation scene in Emerald Version. Kyogre, likewise, has red energy. What helps sell this idea that the teams used the correct orbs is that the Legendaries then proceed to reshape the world to the Teams' respective wishes, while holding the same colored orb caused them to attack you on sight. Edit: actually, it's better than I thought. This is subtly showing the need for balance between them, as even these titans of extremes still need a little bit of the other to function.
Then for me that improves the idea of them getting the orbs that match the colors of their respective legendaries. It would make sense that they would've mistaken the orbs at first, and also show that in that part of the story they didn't understood the concept of balance and how each opposing force of nature needs a part from each other to co-exists, thus breaking said balance and almost ending the world. Also I think Groudon and Kyogre having blue and red lines in the intro is more an aesthetic choice rather than a plot one, but it would perfectly forshadow the twist that the correct order of the orbs was reversed
I still feel kind of weird about changing the orb colors. It's such an iconic part of the game that they grab the wrong color and it feels out of line with how you described this legacy title working: making things feel familiar and focusing on the most iconic parts.
I honestly couldn’t care less about that just because in the remakes, they grab the right orb and I always found it kind of stupid that they’d grab the wrong orb when it’s just that obvious
But in the remakes you learn that if they had grabbed the correct orbs, they would have triggered primal reversion. So I’m also kinda iffy on emerald legacy making that change since if they can’t also emulate the reversion somehow
Sorry but them grabbing the wrong colored orbs always felt super incompetent, the remakes made it so these guys had actual sight and grabbed the right ones from the getgo and not knowing how to control them. They legit lose all their menace in the originals when they fail something a kindergartner could easily tell apart lol
He has done changes like this before as well... Remember how in Crystal Legacy - He made Giovanni literally appear and advised the TR executive to disband... Changing the orb is a very small change compared to that...
@@iRule37 In Ruby and Sapphire, the player keeps the correct Orb and Primal Reversion still doesn't happen when they fight/catch them. Gen 3 Hoenn and Gen 6 Hoenn canonically take place in separate universes, so maybe Primal Reversion just isn't a thing in this one.
A few people are arguing about the orb colors. I like that they grabbed the correct ones this time. Sure, it doesnt match rs or oras, but this game is supposed to stand on its own. Even in base emerald, the correct color never proved to control or engage with the legendary. They simply fought you. So its ok that the team leaders were smart enough to grab the correct colored orb, and then all it does is awaken them. Not control them. Ruby and sapphire never happened so there's no contradiction based on previous material, and primal reversion isn't a thing so we shouldn't have to consider gen 6. We need to think how the developers should have at gen 3. If it bothers people that much, then the logic for grabbing the wrong orb can be "we thought it would weaken it enough to control them." But imo, both versions work equally as well, as long as there is text to give context.
Emerald was the pokemon game that i played to death growing up. And what yall are doing is breathing new life into something from my childhood. I look forward to whatever else you do to improve on something already great.
I think it's important to note that during the clash between Groudon and Kyogre at Sootopolis, the weather is constantly shifting from rain to harsh sunlight. If you run into Pokemon during this clash, I do believe it shows up as rain, but I that's less of Kyogre being in control and more of the how it wouldn't be as easy to flip-flop the weather from a development standpoint. That being said, however, I would like to see Groudon have more terrain around it during the clash. So many people joke about the fight appearing one-sided that I think the creator of the land should have a bit more land to stand on and around, like boulders jutting out of the water, small pools of lava emerging, something to sell the point that Groudon isn't the weaker of the two.
What about a post game double battle with both leaders? Or battle frontier where they show up sometimes in the doubles format, or individually in singles. Bonus points if they adjust their teams to benefit from the opposite weather, like Aqua's seviper learning flamethrower for sun, and magma's zangoose learning thunder for rain, to show they are accepting a balance of both ideals. Maybe not those pokemon specifically, but along the same line. I also like the synergy of a double intimidate lead, and Crobat dodging Earthquakes while it takes out swampert to protect camerupt. And more doubles moves like rock slide, earthquake, explosion, surf, helping hand, dive/dig and protect to avoid earthquake and explosion, etc. There's some room to make a good doubles team with those 2.
For the post game I think it would be hilarious to have a single NPC referencing Team Sky. But all seriousness, if you're planning on making all lines catchable in post-game, some kind of storyline referencing the Delta Episode would be a cool addition. Maybe something interesting for Mew and the Eon Ticket too, but I don't know what.
Missed opportunity to use the Muk and Weezing that were added to Archie and Maxie's final battle teams in ORAS But these new additions still work very well
Loving the new ideas, and team changes would be awesome to see. Maybe halfway through, a grunt on either side could swap sides due to being convinced of the other team's ideology.
Adding Seviper and Zangoose to these teams is so smart and cool that I had to pause the video and yell "Oh HELL YEAH" and then write this comment. Genius. Perfect. So perfect I can't believe that Nintendo didn't do that themselves, and I can't believe that thought never occurred to me. Go get it Smith.
I know your hands are kinda tied here, but one of my biggest issues with Emerald is the extreme density of Aqua/Magma beats in the back half. After Foretree City it's 6 team encounters almost in a row. I would greatly appreciate something to give some breathing room between team encounters.
Removing half of the battles by removing unnecessary grunts may help these sections go by faster. Stopping every 4 steps to fight more poochyenas and zubats definitely make it feel much longer than they actually are. So getting in and out in half the time would help make it feel better, without just removing sections of the game or adding something as filler.
12:14 I really love the detail in the footage shown where Archie energetically steps forward to emphasize his dialogue and Maxie stays firmly planted. What a fantastic piece of characterization, excellent detail.
Great breakdown! I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hyped to play your hack! A postgame double-battle with the two of them, perhaps, testing you before you try to catch Kyogre or Groudon, would be a neat way to show how they learned to work in harmony together, and give you a send-off before getting the Pokemon they previously tried to control for their own goals. It would be a kind of, passing of the torch, so to speak.
When i was a kid, i always thought archie and maxie created team magma to expand and help civilization, but when Maxie started deciding they should expand the land so everyone could have theirs, maxie betrayed and created team aqua as a sort of way to balance it out
I honestly really like these changes! I like the ludonarrative cohesion you added. I think a post-reconciliation fight, maybe at Mount Pyre, where you double battle against the two of them together and they state their intentions to continue with their goals of helping humanity, but by working with people and Pokémon rather than through legends and force. Probably put the difficulty at a little higher than the initial Champion battle, but still give them EVs, full TM access, beneficial held items, and plenty of nasty spread moves.
this spices up the mid game considerably!! also, very smart giving the aqua admins huntail and gorebyss. maybe give archie a relicanth for post game, as a nod to him heading underwater and it's an ancient pokemon that does get swift swim. and maxie can get... something because there's like 6 fire types in all of hoenn? torkoal is the best thing I can think of if you want a true sun team, but that overlaps with flannery so, idk
I think it’s so awesome you’re building this. I think difficulty above all else was always my gripe and the remakes made that worse. So I’m excited to get to struggle a little and do it in the original art style ❤️ For the post game, I think a storyline with Jirachi (that was criminally forgotten in the originals), would be great. Perhaps an additional sailable Island after getting a Gold Star at the Battle Frontier. Then one of the Brains unlocks a storyline.
Idea: give the final Wally battle the champion theme when you fight him over the regular theme. Some people might say that just give him the rival theme, but the rival theme is too happy to fit the vibe of that rival battle. The champion theme is perfect. It’s intense, and can show off how, this guy used to be so weak, and now he’s champion level or whatever. And it’ll make the player feel like he’s a serious threat. I also think it won’t take away from the champion fight, because the vibe that you’ll get from hearing the themes are completely different. In short, I hope you consider my idea.
As always, peak has been delivered. The only thing I mildly disagree with are the many repeat Zubat line members on important lategame fights. However I find it more acceptable in the Legacy series, since the Zubat line (although still very widely represented) takes a needed step back in appearance.
Love the changes and like what you did with the story. For the post game we could perhaps see the 2 teams learn from their mistakes and instead of aiming for some grand scale destructive goal, help people on the smaller scale related to land and sea respectively. We could see team aqua members fishing with fishermen or help clean trash out of the sea (With that there could be a way for players to obtain items team aqua has collected, from poke balls and potions, to evolution stones, rare candies, or even leftovers). On the other hand with team magma, we could see them setting up farms across the region to supply the player with more powerful and difficult to obtain berries.
These improvements are great! Houndoom and Wailord make so much sense respectively, and I really like what you've done with the admins's teams. Might I suggest adding Growlithe to the game, so Team Magma can have slightly more Fire type Pokémon? On an unrelated note, I find it strange that during the epic cutscene with the legendary Pokémon facing off, they don't attack eachother; they just stand there, menacingly. It would be a small, mostly meaningless change, but I think it'd look slightly better if we saw Groudon maybe using Rock Slide on Kyogre, who sends a Surf back to it, then proceed with Rayquaza appearing.
First of all, I really like the changes to the story-it feels much more realistic now. The main story fights also seem way more interesting and fun than before, which has me really excited. That said, I hope you don’t change all the Grunt teams, as the Poochyena and Zubat lines feel closely tied to both teams, and removing most of them wouldn’t feel right. Overall, I love what you’re doing so far, and I can’t wait to see more. Keep up the great work!
I am so thrilled because I never got to play Pokémon Emerald when I was a kid. I even wrote a letter to Pokémon asking for the game, and they actually replied! Unfortunately, they told me to get a job, but as a kid, the only job I could get was a lemonade stand. By the time I saved up enough money, I couldn't find the game, so I ended up buying Pokémon Diamond instead. (I was terrible at saving money as a kid!) Now, I'm really excited about the opportunity to finally get to play Pokémon Emerald again. I can't wait to face Team Aqua! Keep up the great work! 20:36
I dig the changes. The team fights and storylines always lacked... A lot. Seeing the diversity in these fights makes me actually interested in doing them. Also the Seviper/Zangoose additions is one of the most underrated changes you've made, that is so perfect and so smart. I cannot wait for this game, but I will, because y'all are cooking a masterpiece and the wait will be worth it.
It would be great if there was a grunt that has a team of 5 mightyena/intimidate pokemon to reference the horde fight in oras. It'll require more strategy if you planned on just pushing a with a physical attacker. Also, a romantic couple as a aqua and magma grunt double battle. They could have mightyena and crobat since both teams share those mons, ludicolo and whishcash since they both share a type that both teams use, and luvdisk and roselia since it still fit their type theme while having a love reference with a heart and flowers.
I think they've already done the back and forth on this. It kinda dragged Electabuzz into Aqua, and then Jynx was awkardly hanging on the sidelines. Slugma and Numel lines don't carry as much baggage.
The changes are perfect, now those team makes sense. I always found those two weird since they didn't have real ambition... And the concept of seviper and zangoose in their team are well found, great job
I think you said you would do this in a stream, but post game Archie + Maxie fight would be fun. Archie with a Blastoise makes sense to me once main campaign is complete.
It would be cool to have a household that normally has boring text to have a family arguing that about which team is right. This will make it seem like a real political issue in the world that the people think about. Dialogue like, “well there is a lot of water” can add humor too, sharing the sentiment of a lot of players.
Maybe someone from the soot area wanted to join aqua so crops could grow (I think that area has little non-grown crops). One grunt could even say, “I joined to help replace the soot with rain from where I’m from” as an Easter egg and make the grunts feel like earnest people from the region. This would further establish the different ideology from Team Rocket who are majority criminals looking to make money.
A magma grunt could come from one of the island towns and the mom could be talking about how horrible team magma is while the dad could admit, “well there is a lot of water…”
I think that the Pokemon you’ve added to the teams work a whole lot better than, well… a bunch of Poochyena. The Electrode confused me at first, but then I remembered how you find the Master Ball in Gen 3, and now I feel like it fits so much better.
I watched your live playthrough and was super impressed by how difficult and still fun each of the admin and boss fights were. Congrats on making the game SOO much better!
I think something cool with Rayquaza stopping Kyogre and Groudon could be to have a double battle with Rayquaza against the two legendaries. It doesn't have to be particularly difficult, with Ray being lvl70, but would be a cool moment for the player. You would make it either that you cant catch either of them or only one of them(with the other being able to be caught postgame). I prefer not being able to catch either at sootopolis.
I LOVE the Mt Pyre change of having Team Magma there and having Maxie and Archie talking to each other and arguing. Very excited to see what else you’ll cook for this game!
Finally we will be able to figth through grunts that have some differences in team not only zubats and poochyenas. Very good changes and ones that are very important to make nice game experience
dude i love this game so much, words can't describve how happy i am you're working on it. I loved the crystal legacy play through. Have we got a release date? I'm so impatient, i really can't get over your enthusiasm and love for the game. Paying attention to every little detail to the game, not changing but enhancing and building off nostalgia. Thank you!
Loving the changes so far, can't wait to play the game! Something I would love to see are "secret bosses" that are scattered in the Hoen region, that can be challenged after the League. So far Emerald had Steven, but other trainers to consider would be Wally, the Grandad of the Winsrate family etc. They could even give battle items that are difficult to get in OG Emerald.
Now this is how you handle improving some of the most haphazardly designed villain teams in Pokémon’s history. Excellent work. 👍 If anything I would love more events involving the event islands that were distributed through Mystery Gift. (AKA Southern Island, Birth Island, Navel Rock, and Faraway Island) For the postgame there IS a way to incorporate all of Archie, the Battle Frontier, AND Jirachi into one event. Although, you would have to reference the Pokemon Adventures Emerald manga for details on that. Either way the progress being made is amazing and I cant wait for more.
What would be cool is if after you return the orbs, and then come back to mt pyre with the legendaries, they give back the respective orb back to you as a hold item. Then you can let the respective legendary hold it, giving it a boost like oras and gen 4 legendaries have. We probably don't want to give a full primal boost, but it can hint to why it went insane because being near it gave it more power. The primal boost is effectively a 20% boost on Groudon's attack and defense and 50% in special attack (+1 sp attack raise) and a water immunity. And then swap the physical and special stats for kyogre, with a fire immunity. Maybe a lesser form based on this, like just the immunity or just the weaker stat's 1 stage boost so groudon can actually compete with kyogre with its fire attacks. And kyogre can, idk, body slam you harder. Kyogre doesn't need that boost. Lol but maybe the immunity is good, and Groudon can fight kyogre with it's water spout & thunder immunities, needing it to make room for an ice move. And then HGSS had the green orb for rayquaza. Maybe that can be used to unlock the door or summon rayquaza, and the hold item can get rid of his flying weaknesses to help it lore wise be able to handle kyogre better, making thunder and ice moves do less, and still keep the earthquake immunity It might not fit with legacy, so i don't have my hopes up. But if part of this gave an idea, like the green orb being used to access rayquaza, or the power boost explaining why they went insane just to hint towards the primal forms, and that's all that was considered, then i consider this suggestion a success.
I REALLY like the changes. I would love to see more of the teams. What are they doing with the Regis? Maybe they join together and the player can race them to solve the Regi riddles. Another idea would be: What would a team based on Rayquaza look like? Is Wynona as a flying gym leader involved? I love Hoenn! It's the best region. There should be a LOT of postgame! Do the evil teams try to fix the landscape with human labor? Can you see them dig away on beaches or blockade rivers? Will this change the physical layout of the region?
Love these changes. I think it would be cool to see Wallace and Steven confront the leaders after the Rayquaza scene. Just something simple like "you'll have pay for your crimes!" and they're like "oh no we wont!" and they fly away until the post game stuff you mentioned. Just simple and small but I feel like would add just that little bit. It would be cool to see grunts around the region after the fact too, talking about how crazy things were and such. Once gain, just small details that would just add a bit more life to the teams.
I love these changes. Maybe for the post game after you catch groudon and kyogre, you can meet archie and maxie at mt. pyre where you can fight them both in a double battle
I love the changes. I think a single tropius would be a good grass type for some team magma grunt. I suggest in post game you could have Steven, Archie, and Maxie all looking for the trio legendary golems. Steven is looking for steel, Archie wants ice, and Maxie wants rocks. Just a way to help get some fun inside the translating puzzle rooms also some exciting post game battles. However, these puzzles are not locked behind post game and can be completed before solving the main story crisis.
In Oras there was lore about the two Team leaders being friends on the Sea Mavile. Maybe the Gen 3, take on this has them go back to the abandoned ship and New Mavile to try and get something the other left behind as a means of making amends. (Archie goes to New Mavile, and Maxie goes to the abandoned ship. When they reunited they , drop lore about the wish they made on the Pokemon Jirachi, and how sad they feel about pushing the other away. Maybe Archie teams up with the Oceanic Museum and Mr. Briney to start a water pokemon conservation association, and Maxie teams up with Prof. Cosmo and the weather institute to advance science in a way helpful to people and Pokemon. Lastly I love Shipping, and maybe we can introduce a subplot where Matt wants to be Archie's Bro forever and always, and Courtney is at odds with herself over her feelings for boss.
I loved the changes. Makes the story make much more sense! A cool post-game event could be that team aqua and magma return to their main bases and you can visit either and do a battle Royal (pokemon tower style) where you have to face a bunch of increasingly difficult grunts. Eventually you get to the leaders and if you manage to beat them, they give you an egg with a shiny version of their ace.
Can we have at least one fight, where a Team Aqua and a Team Magma grunt, recognise you as the bigger threat, and join forces temporarily to take you down.
Maybe in the postgame you could have the two teams trying to work on some environmental plan that doesn’t risk massive chaos, maybe working together in the Aqua hideout b/c that was the respective main base in R/S, Maxie and Archie planning in the office room where you get the Master Ball. And like they’re chill, but if you *wanna* fight, they’ll have you do a gauntlet of some kind w/ the grunts working together, lotsa double battles, Tabitha and Shelly teaming up and Courtney and Matt teaming up, culminating in a double battle against both Maxie and Archie. Also, don’t forget to change Houndoom’s front sprite lol
What about a double battle where you fight with Maxie against Archie? Near the end, as Maxie comes to his senses he could team up with you to try and stop Archie. I just love the idea of the two bosses battling each other and you somehow being a part of it
Post game could be a joint operation between both teams in trying to tame the tamers of the beasts Groundon and Kyogre. Rayquaza itself, and have a gauntlet of team maga and aqua grunts and admins in each floor trying to fend you off while the Team Leaders struggle to capture Rayquaza only for you to save them both from the impending doom. Afterwards, they recognize you as the true future for the region and wish to challenge you in a final 2 v 1 double battle for a chance to witness the legendary pokemon under the control of a true pokemon master.
I love what you're doing and honestly, I love what I see. Admittedly for the Post-Game I kind of want something special for Deoxys, as to what I do not know. Maybe a post story thing where Rayquaza was seen attacking something in orbit and they send our new Champion to go see what had fallen to earth as a result to allow Deoxys to feel more naturally inserted into the story. Then, if you take Deoxys to Sky Pillar Rayquaza will appear to fight you as he wants to finish what he started...Which allows you to also capture Rayquaza. Maybe for Jirachi we can tie him to Latios/Latias for all I know where capturing those two allows for us to go to a new post game island where a 'Festival of Wishes' is held to celebrate that Jirachi will awaken? Maybe taking from its Pokédex entry of granting wishes you can wish for it to join your team and have to battle it for said wish? I am pulling out of my rear for all of those answers. But honestly, out of everything I am curious how Secret Bases will be handled. I love them as a whole, but I wish there was more I could do with them. Make machines available to EV drain/Train your Pokémon to allow you to make them stronger, maybe an IV booster that requires the EV draining berries in bulk to increase stats, make berry patches inside of your base that you can more readily grow berries, allow access of a bed to allow for a static rest stop on your adventures that lets you heal out in the field, a working television so you can see news of swarms, add a battle flag to draw in random trainers to fight against to make for easier grinding, just something more! Secret bases always felt like missed potential.
First off, I like the additional lines added for each team & extra attention to the forgotten Clamperl duo is stellar. For the post game, I know there's a lot to throw in due to Latias & Latios, but we NEED to see a double battle with Maxie & Archie. Challenging the player for a final validation before catching Groudon & Kyogre can be the true conclusion for the leaders as the final test of the legendaries.
I would suggest adding more Magma encounters. Like having a Magma grunt ambush you in the petalburg forest while the aqua steals the goods later. Then later have some Magma grunts in granite cave looking to abduct Steven.
With the Maxie double battle, it feels like a missed opportunity to not have one of Tabitha's team set up the sun to power up Maxie's fire moves and give them one turn solar beams.
Being able to battle Archie in the museum and him being super strong would be an amazing add just to foreshadow he is someone you need to watch out for!!
I love seeing these teams become more diverse! As for a post game fight, I've always enjoyed when "boss trainers" get to use the legendary that defines them.
interesting stuff. reallylooking forward to the big team bases to be ALOT more interesting :). also love machamp being on team aqua fighting types really work with the sailor kinda aesthetic aqua has going
Love the team changes! Really makes it feel like each team and each member of the team are different and unique. For post game I think it would be awesome if you could find a way to give Archie and Maxie a double battle with you. This would further the acknowledgement you added in for each other’s perspectives and give something awesome to do in the end game.
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Something that bothers me; the two grunts at the museum don’t double battle you. It’s the perfect opportunity to do so!
PLS this kinda of minor stuff is what i live for :')
Great take man
Agreed! Wouldn't surprise me if they had originally planned on it but forgot to edit the code so it triggers a double battle.
Please boost this. I really hope he fixes this.
I 149th this
The game avoids forced tag battles when you only have 1 Pokémon.
I guess they can add a check and do either.
Matt and Shelly not having huntail and gorebyss respectively in base is criminal
Alpha Sapphire cleaned up Team Aqua's rather strange motivation by changing their objectives from wanting to create more ocean for water pokemon in a region thats mostly water to wanting to create a biblical grade catastrophe to reset civilization and return to harmony with nature while Magma's objective to increase the landmass for human prosperity in the modern paradigm was already solid
Edit: the diametric opposition of seeking improved conditions by turning back the clock and rushing headlong into the future are a big part of what make that feel like a real ideological conflict that can have two former friends from the same old team at each other's throats leading separate opposing factions
Excellent and elegantly put 🙏
I suppose I see your point. As Water Pokémon are the most abundant type, they aren't exactly under-represented. The existence of land doesn't harm biodiversity, it just created biomes for freshwater species to flourish. The only motivation that makes sense for ORAS' Archie is that limiting the human impact in the environment would help Pokémon flourish. Even then it's not perfect since Hoenn's cities run rather clean, even New Mauville with its Infinity engine. Maybe Smith is right to keep it simple here
Also to add, Archie thought it would be a thematical end to this world when Kyogre was awakened. It would bring about a new world where nature is in harmony, but the current world will have to be destroyed for such a new world. And I think it works far better, even tho Maxie’s goals aren’t quite as thematically sound (still works that he thought Groudon would usher in a new beginning or era but it would mean destroying this one)
The orbs aren't the wrong way around in original Gen III.
It's a detail that gets lost in subsequent generations, when HGSS introduces a Jade Orb for Rayquaza and ORAS switches them to the way people _think_ the Orbs are supposed to go. It's also hard to actually spot in the games themselves, because the Orbs _aren't meant to match the colour of the Pokemon's skin._ They're meant to match the glowing markings on them. The problem is that Groudon's only glow blue on the title screen of Ruby and otherwise they're black, as opposed to Kyogre's always being red.
And that's not me clutching at straws. The concurrent anime season depicts the two Legendaries using their respective orbs to take control of other beings to aid them. Kyogre uses the Red Orb to possess Archie, and Groudon uses the Blue Orb to possess Pikachu. When that happens, the patterns of each Pokemon's markings appear on the Orbs, and then on the bodies of their hosts.
And in the games themselves, the Orbs _do exactly what they're supposed to do._ The Red Orb _does_ awaken Kyogre, and the Blue Orb _does_ awaken Groudon. Archie and Maxie's shared problem isn't that they're idiots who took the wrong orbs and pissed off the Legendaries, it's that they were arrogant enough to believe that they could control Kyogre and Groudon at all. By contrast, when the player presents the other Orb in Ruby/Sapphire, _that's_ when the Pokemon react to the wrong Orbs, by becoming hostile and attacking the player.
Groudon and Kyogre aren't doing what they do because they're angry and lashing out, they're just so cataclysmically powerful that them merely existing is enough to cause natural disasters. After being awakened they're literally just vibing. It's not until they see each other in Emerald, and their opposite number's Orb in R/S, that they become violent.
Thanks for this, well explained :)
This could be true but they haven't made it obvious enough so it still needs work. Surely easier to switch it to red orb red Pokémon etc.
Courtney not being in Emerald was by faf the biggest sin of that game. Thanks for rectifying this. Already 10/10 for that alone.
I knew this would be a small add that Ruby fans love :)
Minor change but when the “climax” is happening, can it rain everywhere in Hoenn? Not just in the one spot where Kyogre and Groudon and fighting.
Flying anywhere and hearing the cheery music with a bright sunny sky can be jarring given the “world ending” feeling their feud has. Maybe a slight dialogue change too for some people like mom telling you to be careful?
This right here. Immersion 101.
Another thought, make each region randomly have rain or sunlight???
oh, what about mist/fog? The sunny day evaporates the rain, causing massive sea fogs to roll across Heonn
@@BRY0NZ That would require programming in an entirely new weather condition. Fog wasn't introduced until Gen 4, and it's entirely unfun mechanically anyway.
Here are 2 things I'd like to see improved in Emerald Legacy in terms of the villains:
1: Have the 2 grunts you see at the museum double battle you. It makes more sense for them to go after you at the same time.
2: Have Team Magma members, as well as Maxie himself be going through the Sea Floor Cavern, trying to find Archie, but being held up by all the grunts there.
I really like the parallel of Aqua having electric for a secondary type while Magma gets grass, feels like they're actually playing into the strenths of their weathers.
Also, interesting choice not to commit to the revamped team aqua/magma identities from ORAS, I think I still like those a bit more as they show some conflicting ethos in what's good for the world (progress v. nature), but bringing this conflict closer to a real world conflict I knew nothing about is quite fascinating!
I always thought it was a wasted opportunity to not have a double battle against both of the villain team leaders, teaming up to try and stop you in the midgame, either right before or inside the orb-tower
I think it’s a cool idea, but I don’t think it would work for 2 reasons:
1. It doesn’t feel in character to me for them to even think about teaming up against the player character and
2. I don’t think it really fits in the game. At Mt. Pyre, there too busy dealing with each other, and making a totally new event rubs me the wrong way
@Casterisk45510 yeah I hear that. Definitely could be a stretch, but I think it could be done in the vein of "I know we don't agree, but this kid has been fucking us BOTH up, let's try and work together this once to get the orbs/stop this kid from stopping us" sortve like they are at a point where they're willing to let either side get their orb, as long as they themselves are the first ones to use their respective orb. The main problem being the player character always turning up and ruining their plans, so I think it could work if done right.
I do see how adding a new event/battle would be off-putting
@Casterisk45510 or also, it could even be an end-game event that's only available after beating the story/elite 4. Maybe they've settled down somewhat and come to their senses, and want one last rematch against the player, for whatever reason.
I think it would be cool as a post game fight
Could be awesome as a post-game requirement to catch Rayquaza.
The two leaders grabbing the wrong orbs in base Emerald sounds ridiculous. "I gonna try and control this titan with an orb that is, strangely enough, the color of the titan it has a rivalry with. I couldn't have grabbed the wrong one! The other one was the color of the titan I'm trying to control!" It makes them sound inept and unthreatening. Same for their team lineups. Thank you for changing that. It's nice to have a villain that isn't just a lame joke for the protagonist to roll over.
I always thought the opposing color orbs made sense because blue and red are the stripes that you can see on Groudon and Kyogre, respectively.
I thought it was because the opposite color orb had the energy of the rival legendary, so it was the only way to piss off and awaken the main one.
They didn’t grab the wrong orbs in RSE. That’s just a popular fan misconception.
Reminds me of team rocket and how or why they don't have all of the gambling pokemon.
Seriously they control both cities that have gambling and don't take the pokemon with them. Dratini abra Porygon they would have been better overall having teleport mons or futuristic ones
Team Rocket should have had a much wider range of pokemon considering they were allegedly stealing lots of them.
@@EarthboundmikeHonestly giving the early grunts the basic mons is fine. Later ones EVOS to show it's the same ones and the game corner grunts get those mons with bad moves as they just obtained them. Showing them as a team of messy mons
Because the stolen rare Pokémon go to the boss, he and the executives get the strong stuff, everyone else is stuck with common Zubat and Rattata. It shows how greedy Giovanni is.
I think the "boss fight" at Mt Pyre should be Matt and Courtney teaming up to prevent the player. Big "enemy of my enemy" vibes, neither of us can afford you stopping our boss.
I really love this idea.
That'd be pretty cool.
I do love me some rival teamups. Half the reason the Gen 4 Lance/Clair fight is so awesome.
(On that related note - it'd be nice to have more /Wally content so those guys are more present too.)
@@HeraldBFC Well, Smith already talked about the awkwardness of Wally waltzing in Victory Road out of nowhere, meanwhile Brandon/May disappear after an OPTIONAL fight in Lilycove City, especially since they never fully evolved their starter (this might be corrected in ORAS, but I'm not sure, additionally you get apost-credit-fight against a mega-evolving starter). So if Smith already changed parts of the main storyline, he might as well have plans for Brandon/May and Wally 😉
Take a shot every time Smith says any of "Poochyena, Zubat, Numel, Carvanha". I reccomend using water as a substitute for alcohol, unless you want to die.
7.8/10 ...too much water...
Or if you're Team Magma, shots of... Sand?
Is it bad that i always thought that Emerald should've given us a double battle with the 2 Evil Team Leaders?
Like- imagine a scenario where Maxie & Archie talk & go *"This brat has been in our case for a good while, so how about we put our differences to the side so we can take them out once and for all?"*
For a game that introduced Double Battles, with Emerald adding a lot more of them in the story, it always bothered me that we never had that for Archie & Maxie
could be a post game battle
Blink twice if you're not held hostage by team sky
SKY
TEAM SKYYY!!!
*blink blink*
Hostage? Who needs being held hostage by the glory of TEAM SKY!!!
Hey, our leader may not be the brightest, but he means well (even if he didn't realize our organization is apart of the good guys until a couple of years later).
Clamperl line love!!! I'm so happy seeing Huntail and Gorebyss see the light of day. Since it's always seemed like a kind of special pokemon to me, between it in the anime and its unique evolution gimmick (honestly always gave me vibes similar to castform), I wonder if it could be given a small moment with the aqua admins? Like, if there could either be a gift or they tell you about this rare pokemon and where it's found. Does something like that sound cool to anyone else?
I think adding Torkoal to some of the magma grunts would give them more fire type hoenn representation. Not too many though since it's Flannery's ace.
Super glad you added Courtney back but if may suggest something I believe all the admins should have unique over wolrd sprites. Seeing Maxie fight you with a regular grunt in the Space Center always felt offputting. As a kid I never really thought of them as someone important because of how they look the same as a grunt.
Another cool thing would be to make Archie and the Aqua grunts jump out of water in Meteor Falls. I think that would be hilarious.
Torkoal has high base stats it might be a bit strong
I feel like some of the Aqua Grunts you fight should have Clamperl too, it makes sense since you're giving the Admins the evolutions. Some of the Grunts could use it
Na I prefer some of them have Cloyster…instead just clamperl since it looks more menacing. I like qwilfish too for that.
@JayClearman411 thing is, if the evolutions are going to the Admins, it makes a certain amount of sense for grunts to be given pokemon the higher-ups are familiar with and could "easily acquire"
Plus, since they need evo items, could still show up in later areas unevolved. Just like one or two Clamperl grunts, maybe?
So basically Kaizo Emerald Team Builds only without Perma Weather and Legendaries on their teams Perfect
Not so much to do with story, but I could never get over the fact that Maxie, the leader of an entire evil team, has a Zubat (not Golbat or Crobat) on top of Mt. Chimney
He doesn't have zubat wtf
@@inactiveacc-y8n He does in base emerald.
I think while "sunny" and "rain" as weather is the go to for the teams, there should also be some instances where "sandstorm" or "hail" should be the focus of some trainers, especially with the changes like special defense boosts for rock and how blizzard would always hit etc.
I like the Blue Orb been associated with Groudon and the Red Orb to Kyogre, because it show how opposite could also be complementary. But then we should not portray them as the wrong orb, but more like how Ruby Omega/Sapphire Alpha used them (to calm the legendary after the "correct" Orb awaken and enrage them).
Also I think both teams could have proper motivations if we allow them to not be cartoonish villains.
For Magma we actually don't need to go too far from the game, they want to create polder (land reclamation) for humans (and terrestrial Pokémon).
And for Aqua I think we can rebrand them as environmental activists, like Sea Sheperds (both have pirate vibe) and Hoenn had even an "environmental" tragedy (either Abandoned Ship or Sea Mauville).
On the topic of storyline changes, can we talk about the exclusive abilities of the legendary Pokemon? Groudon summons a drought, a devastating weather occurrence that can last months or years that slowly torments the land and its inhabitants by killing off plant life and the people and animals that rely on those plants as a source of food, not to mention the lack of water to sustain animal life.
Meanwhile Kyogre summons a drizzle, a pleasant calm rain.
Changing the name of drizzle to something like Torrential Downpour, Flash Flood, Endless Storm, Tsunami, or Deluge would be a miniscule change that would do wonders and rectify an issue I've had with the story since I was 9.
I think for post game, you should give them a send-off like in the Battle Frontier like how ORAS did at their disappointing post-game island. They should then go back to their bases and try to work to actually help Hoenn instead of being so engrossed in their ideologies that they cannot help but cause problems. They should also give you their Mach Call number so you can rebattle them like the gym leaders
ORAS handled the Delta Episode so well as a sendoff, especially for Courtney and Matt getting centerfocus as antagonists
I love the new additions made to each team. They got so repetitive to fight because of just how many Mons were overlapping with each other.
My only gripe is the change to which orb gets taken being changed. ORAS showed what happens if they take the correct orb and it’s not good for anyone.
Personally, I feel like you could make it so that they grabbed the opposite orb because each team was in a desperate rush to play keep away from the other.
Maxie taking the blue orb because you just showed up alongside Archie, he quickly takes the blue orb to get it away from Aqua but Archie does the same with the red orb, they both flee and have to work with what they have.
Looks good! Would be interesting if post-game Maxie and Archie used Sand and Hail teams to show them becoming more flexible in their thinking. Once the National Dex is unlocked, Maxie gains access to Sandstream Tyranitar and Archie gains access to Lapras, Dewgong, and Cloyster.
I don't agree with the "they used the wrong orb" theory. After all, Groudon's shown to have blue energy under his armor, as best shown in the Ruby Version title screen _and_ their iconic confrontation scene in Emerald Version. Kyogre, likewise, has red energy. What helps sell this idea that the teams used the correct orbs is that the Legendaries then proceed to reshape the world to the Teams' respective wishes, while holding the same colored orb caused them to attack you on sight.
Edit: actually, it's better than I thought. This is subtly showing the need for balance between them, as even these titans of extremes still need a little bit of the other to function.
Then for me that improves the idea of them getting the orbs that match the colors of their respective legendaries. It would make sense that they would've mistaken the orbs at first, and also show that in that part of the story they didn't understood the concept of balance and how each opposing force of nature needs a part from each other to co-exists, thus breaking said balance and almost ending the world.
Also I think Groudon and Kyogre having blue and red lines in the intro is more an aesthetic choice rather than a plot one, but it would perfectly forshadow the twist that the correct order of the orbs was reversed
I still feel kind of weird about changing the orb colors. It's such an iconic part of the game that they grab the wrong color and it feels out of line with how you described this legacy title working: making things feel familiar and focusing on the most iconic parts.
I honestly couldn’t care less about that just because in the remakes, they grab the right orb and I always found it kind of stupid that they’d grab the wrong orb when it’s just that obvious
But in the remakes you learn that if they had grabbed the correct orbs, they would have triggered primal reversion. So I’m also kinda iffy on emerald legacy making that change since if they can’t also emulate the reversion somehow
Sorry but them grabbing the wrong colored orbs always felt super incompetent, the remakes made it so these guys had actual sight and grabbed the right ones from the getgo and not knowing how to control them.
They legit lose all their menace in the originals when they fail something a kindergartner could easily tell apart lol
He has done changes like this before as well... Remember how in Crystal Legacy - He made Giovanni literally appear and advised the TR executive to disband...
Changing the orb is a very small change compared to that...
@@iRule37 In Ruby and Sapphire, the player keeps the correct Orb and Primal Reversion still doesn't happen when they fight/catch them. Gen 3 Hoenn and Gen 6 Hoenn canonically take place in separate universes, so maybe Primal Reversion just isn't a thing in this one.
A few people are arguing about the orb colors. I like that they grabbed the correct ones this time. Sure, it doesnt match rs or oras, but this game is supposed to stand on its own. Even in base emerald, the correct color never proved to control or engage with the legendary. They simply fought you. So its ok that the team leaders were smart enough to grab the correct colored orb, and then all it does is awaken them. Not control them. Ruby and sapphire never happened so there's no contradiction based on previous material, and primal reversion isn't a thing so we shouldn't have to consider gen 6. We need to think how the developers should have at gen 3.
If it bothers people that much, then the logic for grabbing the wrong orb can be "we thought it would weaken it enough to control them." But imo, both versions work equally as well, as long as there is text to give context.
Emerald was the pokemon game that i played to death growing up. And what yall are doing is breathing new life into something from my childhood. I look forward to whatever else you do to improve on something already great.
I think it's important to note that during the clash between Groudon and Kyogre at Sootopolis, the weather is constantly shifting from rain to harsh sunlight. If you run into Pokemon during this clash, I do believe it shows up as rain, but I that's less of Kyogre being in control and more of the how it wouldn't be as easy to flip-flop the weather from a development standpoint. That being said, however, I would like to see Groudon have more terrain around it during the clash. So many people joke about the fight appearing one-sided that I think the creator of the land should have a bit more land to stand on and around, like boulders jutting out of the water, small pools of lava emerging, something to sell the point that Groudon isn't the weaker of the two.
What about a post game double battle with both leaders? Or battle frontier where they show up sometimes in the doubles format, or individually in singles. Bonus points if they adjust their teams to benefit from the opposite weather, like Aqua's seviper learning flamethrower for sun, and magma's zangoose learning thunder for rain, to show they are accepting a balance of both ideals. Maybe not those pokemon specifically, but along the same line.
I also like the synergy of a double intimidate lead, and Crobat dodging Earthquakes while it takes out swampert to protect camerupt. And more doubles moves like rock slide, earthquake, explosion, surf, helping hand, dive/dig and protect to avoid earthquake and explosion, etc. There's some room to make a good doubles team with those 2.
For the post game I think it would be hilarious to have a single NPC referencing Team Sky.
But all seriousness, if you're planning on making all lines catchable in post-game, some kind of storyline referencing the Delta Episode would be a cool addition. Maybe something interesting for Mew and the Eon Ticket too, but I don't know what.
Missed opportunity to use the Muk and Weezing that were added to Archie and Maxie's final battle teams in ORAS
But these new additions still work very well
Loving the new ideas, and team changes would be awesome to see. Maybe halfway through, a grunt on either side could swap sides due to being convinced of the other team's ideology.
Adding Seviper and Zangoose to these teams is so smart and cool that I had to pause the video and yell "Oh HELL YEAH" and then write this comment. Genius. Perfect. So perfect I can't believe that Nintendo didn't do that themselves, and I can't believe that thought never occurred to me. Go get it Smith.
I know your hands are kinda tied here, but one of my biggest issues with Emerald is the extreme density of Aqua/Magma beats in the back half. After Foretree City it's 6 team encounters almost in a row. I would greatly appreciate something to give some breathing room between team encounters.
Removing half of the battles by removing unnecessary grunts may help these sections go by faster. Stopping every 4 steps to fight more poochyenas and zubats definitely make it feel much longer than they actually are. So getting in and out in half the time would help make it feel better, without just removing sections of the game or adding something as filler.
12:14 I really love the detail in the footage shown where Archie energetically steps forward to emphasize his dialogue and Maxie stays firmly planted. What a fantastic piece of characterization, excellent detail.
Great breakdown! I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hyped to play your hack!
A postgame double-battle with the two of them, perhaps, testing you before you try to catch Kyogre or Groudon, would be a neat way to show how they learned to work in harmony together, and give you a send-off before getting the Pokemon they previously tried to control for their own goals. It would be a kind of, passing of the torch, so to speak.
When i was a kid, i always thought archie and maxie created team magma to expand and help civilization, but when Maxie started deciding they should expand the land so everyone could have theirs, maxie betrayed and created team aqua as a sort of way to balance it out
I'm excited to play this! Honestly couldn't think any way better to get the leaders mixed with admin fights 👌
At least now we won't be fighting Poochyena's/Mightyena's and Numel's/Carvanha's non stop anymore.
7:55 actually I only played emerald and I learned in this video that the story is different in ruby and sapphire
I honestly really like these changes! I like the ludonarrative cohesion you added.
I think a post-reconciliation fight, maybe at Mount Pyre, where you double battle against the two of them together and they state their intentions to continue with their goals of helping humanity, but by working with people and Pokémon rather than through legends and force. Probably put the difficulty at a little higher than the initial Champion battle, but still give them EVs, full TM access, beneficial held items, and plenty of nasty spread moves.
this spices up the mid game considerably!! also, very smart giving the aqua admins huntail and gorebyss.
maybe give archie a relicanth for post game, as a nod to him heading underwater and it's an ancient pokemon that does get swift swim. and maxie can get... something because there's like 6 fire types in all of hoenn? torkoal is the best thing I can think of if you want a true sun team, but that overlaps with flannery so, idk
I think it’s so awesome you’re building this.
I think difficulty above all else was always my gripe and the remakes made that worse. So I’m excited to get to struggle a little and do it in the original art style ❤️
For the post game, I think a storyline with Jirachi (that was criminally forgotten in the originals), would be great.
Perhaps an additional sailable Island after getting a Gold Star at the Battle Frontier.
Then one of the Brains unlocks a storyline.
Idea: give the final Wally battle the champion theme when you fight him over the regular theme. Some people might say that just give him the rival theme, but the rival theme is too happy to fit the vibe of that rival battle. The champion theme is perfect. It’s intense, and can show off how, this guy used to be so weak, and now he’s champion level or whatever. And it’ll make the player feel like he’s a serious threat. I also think it won’t take away from the champion fight, because the vibe that you’ll get from hearing the themes are completely different.
In short, I hope you consider my idea.
As always, peak has been delivered. The only thing I mildly disagree with are the many repeat Zubat line members on important lategame fights. However I find it more acceptable in the Legacy series, since the Zubat line (although still very widely represented) takes a needed step back in appearance.
Love the changes and like what you did with the story. For the post game we could perhaps see the 2 teams learn from their mistakes and instead of aiming for some grand scale destructive goal, help people on the smaller scale related to land and sea respectively. We could see team aqua members fishing with fishermen or help clean trash out of the sea (With that there could be a way for players to obtain items team aqua has collected, from poke balls and potions, to evolution stones, rare candies, or even leftovers). On the other hand with team magma, we could see them setting up farms across the region to supply the player with more powerful and difficult to obtain berries.
These improvements are great! Houndoom and Wailord make so much sense respectively, and I really like what you've done with the admins's teams. Might I suggest adding Growlithe to the game, so Team Magma can have slightly more Fire type Pokémon?
On an unrelated note, I find it strange that during the epic cutscene with the legendary Pokémon facing off, they don't attack eachother; they just stand there, menacingly. It would be a small, mostly meaningless change, but I think it'd look slightly better if we saw Groudon maybe using Rock Slide on Kyogre, who sends a Surf back to it, then proceed with Rayquaza appearing.
First of all, I really like the changes to the story-it feels much more realistic now. The main story fights also seem way more interesting and fun than before, which has me really excited. That said, I hope you don’t change all the Grunt teams, as the Poochyena and Zubat lines feel closely tied to both teams, and removing most of them wouldn’t feel right. Overall, I love what you’re doing so far, and I can’t wait to see more. Keep up the great work!
A double battle against maxie and archie in the post game would be amazing, the fire and water dynamic could be pretty interesting
Archie should have a Gyrados on his final team but giving Maxie a Red Gyrados specifically as a middle finger to Team Aqua would be amazing.
Shiny Gyarados with Fire Blast lmao.
Not ideal, but it can learn it hahah.
@@deoxysandmew2162 See, now we’re talking. Even better!
I’d like to give maxi Rhydon instead with Earthquake megahorn rock blast and Double edge. Or maybe brick break idk..
I am so thrilled because I never got to play Pokémon Emerald when I was a kid. I even wrote a letter to Pokémon asking for the game, and they actually replied! Unfortunately, they told me to get a job, but as a kid, the only job I could get was a lemonade stand. By the time I saved up enough money, I couldn't find the game, so I ended up buying Pokémon Diamond instead. (I was terrible at saving money as a kid!) Now, I'm really excited about the opportunity to finally get to play Pokémon Emerald again. I can't wait to face Team Aqua! Keep up the great work! 20:36
I dig the changes. The team fights and storylines always lacked... A lot. Seeing the diversity in these fights makes me actually interested in doing them. Also the Seviper/Zangoose additions is one of the most underrated changes you've made, that is so perfect and so smart. I cannot wait for this game, but I will, because y'all are cooking a masterpiece and the wait will be worth it.
It would be great if there was a grunt that has a team of 5 mightyena/intimidate pokemon to reference the horde fight in oras. It'll require more strategy if you planned on just pushing a with a physical attacker.
Also, a romantic couple as a aqua and magma grunt double battle. They could have mightyena and crobat since both teams share those mons, ludicolo and whishcash since they both share a type that both teams use, and luvdisk and roselia since it still fit their type theme while having a love reference with a heart and flowers.
One thing I would add whether it’s for Maxie or Tabitha is having one of them use a Magmar. Since they’re team Magma
I think they've already done the back and forth on this. It kinda dragged Electabuzz into Aqua, and then Jynx was awkardly hanging on the sidelines. Slugma and Numel lines don't carry as much baggage.
Magmar is not in Hoenn. Also if Team Magma would use Magmar what would Team Aqua use?
I'm super excited for this project. The first Pokemon game I beat was Ruby, and the Legacy project always seemed so cool for the older gens.
The changes are perfect, now those team makes sense. I always found those two weird since they didn't have real ambition... And the concept of seviper and zangoose in their team are well found, great job
I had never thought about the fact that having played Ruby/Sapphire makes my understanding of Emerald different.
0:55 That started with Giovanni. Remember the movie Mewtwo Strikes Back; where Mewtwo is used to capture Pokémon?
That's unrelated to the games. Mewtwo has no connection with Team Rocket in the Kanto or Johto titles until USUM.
Rock and Ground (and also Steel) make sense, but I'm not sure I agree with Magma using Grass types...
I think you said you would do this in a stream, but post game Archie + Maxie fight would be fun. Archie with a Blastoise makes sense to me once main campaign is complete.
It would be cool to have a household that normally has boring text to have a family arguing that about which team is right. This will make it seem like a real political issue in the world that the people think about. Dialogue like, “well there is a lot of water” can add humor too, sharing the sentiment of a lot of players.
It could even be a family who’s son/daughter left to join one of the teams
Maybe someone from the soot area wanted to join aqua so crops could grow (I think that area has little non-grown crops). One grunt could even say, “I joined to help replace the soot with rain from where I’m from” as an Easter egg and make the grunts feel like earnest people from the region. This would further establish the different ideology from Team Rocket who are majority criminals looking to make money.
A magma grunt could come from one of the island towns and the mom could be talking about how horrible team magma is while the dad could admit, “well there is a lot of water…”
I think that the Pokemon you’ve added to the teams work a whole lot better than, well… a bunch of Poochyena. The Electrode confused me at first, but then I remembered how you find the Master Ball in Gen 3, and now I feel like it fits so much better.
Honestly, I'd love to see Maxie and Archie getting Groudon and Kyogre on post game, then after you defeat them you get to capture them.
I watched your live playthrough and was super impressed by how difficult and still fun each of the admin and boss fights were. Congrats on making the game SOO much better!
I’m just looking forward to what changes will be made to the neighbor and Wally.
I think something cool with Rayquaza stopping Kyogre and Groudon could be to have a double battle with Rayquaza against the two legendaries. It doesn't have to be particularly difficult, with Ray being lvl70, but would be a cool moment for the player. You would make it either that you cant catch either of them or only one of them(with the other being able to be caught postgame). I prefer not being able to catch either at sootopolis.
I LOVE the Mt Pyre change of having Team Magma there and having Maxie and Archie talking to each other and arguing. Very excited to see what else you’ll cook for this game!
Finally we will be able to figth through grunts that have some differences in team not only zubats and poochyenas. Very good changes and ones that are very important to make nice game experience
dude i love this game so much, words can't describve how happy i am you're working on it.
I loved the crystal legacy play through.
Have we got a release date? I'm so impatient, i really can't get over your enthusiasm and love for the game.
Paying attention to every little detail to the game, not changing but enhancing and building off nostalgia.
Thank you!
Loving the changes so far, can't wait to play the game! Something I would love to see are "secret bosses" that are scattered in the Hoen region, that can be challenged after the League. So far Emerald had Steven, but other trainers to consider would be Wally, the Grandad of the Winsrate family etc. They could even give battle items that are difficult to get in OG Emerald.
Now this is how you handle improving some of the most haphazardly designed villain teams in Pokémon’s history. Excellent work. 👍
If anything I would love more events involving the event islands that were distributed through Mystery Gift. (AKA Southern Island, Birth Island, Navel Rock, and Faraway Island)
For the postgame there IS a way to incorporate all of Archie, the Battle Frontier, AND Jirachi into one event. Although, you would have to reference the Pokemon Adventures Emerald manga for details on that.
Either way the progress being made is amazing and I cant wait for more.
What would be cool is if after you return the orbs, and then come back to mt pyre with the legendaries, they give back the respective orb back to you as a hold item. Then you can let the respective legendary hold it, giving it a boost like oras and gen 4 legendaries have.
We probably don't want to give a full primal boost, but it can hint to why it went insane because being near it gave it more power. The primal boost is effectively a 20% boost on Groudon's attack and defense and 50% in special attack (+1 sp attack raise) and a water immunity. And then swap the physical and special stats for kyogre, with a fire immunity. Maybe a lesser form based on this, like just the immunity or just the weaker stat's 1 stage boost so groudon can actually compete with kyogre with its fire attacks. And kyogre can, idk, body slam you harder. Kyogre doesn't need that boost. Lol but maybe the immunity is good, and Groudon can fight kyogre with it's water spout & thunder immunities, needing it to make room for an ice move. And then HGSS had the green orb for rayquaza. Maybe that can be used to unlock the door or summon rayquaza, and the hold item can get rid of his flying weaknesses to help it lore wise be able to handle kyogre better, making thunder and ice moves do less, and still keep the earthquake immunity
It might not fit with legacy, so i don't have my hopes up. But if part of this gave an idea, like the green orb being used to access rayquaza, or the power boost explaining why they went insane just to hint towards the primal forms, and that's all that was considered, then i consider this suggestion a success.
I REALLY like the changes. I would love to see more of the teams. What are they doing with the Regis? Maybe they join together and the player can race them to solve the Regi riddles. Another idea would be: What would a team based on Rayquaza look like? Is Wynona as a flying gym leader involved? I love Hoenn! It's the best region. There should be a LOT of postgame! Do the evil teams try to fix the landscape with human labor? Can you see them dig away on beaches or blockade rivers? Will this change the physical layout of the region?
my favorite part of team magma is that one static grunt in the hideout who tells you his right ear is burning up
The original game not giving the Magma/Aqua leaders weather teams was a huge missed opportunity. So glad to see that effort here!
Love these changes. I think it would be cool to see Wallace and Steven confront the leaders after the Rayquaza scene. Just something simple like "you'll have pay for your crimes!" and they're like "oh no we wont!" and they fly away until the post game stuff you mentioned. Just simple and small but I feel like would add just that little bit. It would be cool to see grunts around the region after the fact too, talking about how crazy things were and such. Once gain, just small details that would just add a bit more life to the teams.
I love these changes. Maybe for the post game after you catch groudon and kyogre, you can meet archie and maxie at mt. pyre where you can fight them both in a double battle
I love the changes. I think a single tropius would be a good grass type for some team magma grunt. I suggest in post game you could have Steven, Archie, and Maxie all looking for the trio legendary golems. Steven is looking for steel, Archie wants ice, and Maxie wants rocks. Just a way to help get some fun inside the translating puzzle rooms also some exciting post game battles. However, these puzzles are not locked behind post game and can be completed before solving the main story crisis.
In Oras there was lore about the two Team leaders being friends on the Sea Mavile. Maybe the Gen 3, take on this has them go back to the abandoned ship and New Mavile to try and get something the other left behind as a means of making amends. (Archie goes to New Mavile, and Maxie goes to the abandoned ship. When they reunited they , drop lore about the wish they made on the Pokemon Jirachi, and how sad they feel about pushing the other away. Maybe Archie teams up with the Oceanic Museum and Mr. Briney to start a water pokemon conservation association, and Maxie teams up with Prof. Cosmo and the weather institute to advance science in a way helpful to people and Pokemon. Lastly I love Shipping, and maybe we can introduce a subplot where Matt wants to be Archie's Bro forever and always, and Courtney is at odds with herself over her feelings for boss.
I loved the changes. Makes the story make much more sense!
A cool post-game event could be that team aqua and magma return to their main bases and you can visit either and do a battle Royal (pokemon tower style) where you have to face a bunch of increasingly difficult grunts. Eventually you get to the leaders and if you manage to beat them, they give you an egg with a shiny version of their ace.
Can we have at least one fight, where a Team Aqua and a Team Magma grunt, recognise you as the bigger threat, and join forces temporarily to take you down.
Maybe in the postgame you could have the two teams trying to work on some environmental plan that doesn’t risk massive chaos, maybe working together in the Aqua hideout b/c that was the respective main base in R/S, Maxie and Archie planning in the office room where you get the Master Ball. And like they’re chill, but if you *wanna* fight, they’ll have you do a gauntlet of some kind w/ the grunts working together, lotsa double battles, Tabitha and Shelly teaming up and Courtney and Matt teaming up, culminating in a double battle against both Maxie and Archie.
Also, don’t forget to change Houndoom’s front sprite lol
What about a double battle where you fight with Maxie against Archie? Near the end, as Maxie comes to his senses he could team up with you to try and stop Archie. I just love the idea of the two bosses battling each other and you somehow being a part of it
Post game could be a joint operation between both teams in trying to tame the tamers of the beasts Groundon and Kyogre. Rayquaza itself, and have a gauntlet of team maga and aqua grunts and admins in each floor trying to fend you off while the Team Leaders struggle to capture Rayquaza only for you to save them both from the impending doom.
Afterwards, they recognize you as the true future for the region and wish to challenge you in a final 2 v 1 double battle for a chance to witness the legendary pokemon under the control of a true pokemon master.
I love what you're doing and honestly, I love what I see. Admittedly for the Post-Game I kind of want something special for Deoxys, as to what I do not know. Maybe a post story thing where Rayquaza was seen attacking something in orbit and they send our new Champion to go see what had fallen to earth as a result to allow Deoxys to feel more naturally inserted into the story. Then, if you take Deoxys to Sky Pillar Rayquaza will appear to fight you as he wants to finish what he started...Which allows you to also capture Rayquaza. Maybe for Jirachi we can tie him to Latios/Latias for all I know where capturing those two allows for us to go to a new post game island where a 'Festival of Wishes' is held to celebrate that Jirachi will awaken? Maybe taking from its Pokédex entry of granting wishes you can wish for it to join your team and have to battle it for said wish?
I am pulling out of my rear for all of those answers. But honestly, out of everything I am curious how Secret Bases will be handled. I love them as a whole, but I wish there was more I could do with them. Make machines available to EV drain/Train your Pokémon to allow you to make them stronger, maybe an IV booster that requires the EV draining berries in bulk to increase stats, make berry patches inside of your base that you can more readily grow berries, allow access of a bed to allow for a static rest stop on your adventures that lets you heal out in the field, a working television so you can see news of swarms, add a battle flag to draw in random trainers to fight against to make for easier grinding, just something more! Secret bases always felt like missed potential.
First off, I like the additional lines added for each team & extra attention to the forgotten Clamperl duo is stellar.
For the post game, I know there's a lot to throw in due to Latias & Latios, but we NEED to see a double battle with Maxie & Archie. Challenging the player for a final validation before catching Groudon & Kyogre can be the true conclusion for the leaders as the final test of the legendaries.
I would suggest adding more Magma encounters.
Like having a Magma grunt ambush you in the petalburg forest while the aqua steals the goods later.
Then later have some Magma grunts in granite cave looking to abduct Steven.
With the Maxie double battle, it feels like a missed opportunity to not have one of Tabitha's team set up the sun to power up Maxie's fire moves and give them one turn solar beams.
I can't believe how much I'm looking forward to this Legacy entry. Emerald was the first Pkmn game I played over and over again as a kid
I like the changes, particularly how Maxie would try to stop Archie instead of trying to erupt a volcano
Being able to battle Archie in the museum and him being super strong would be an amazing add just to foreshadow he is someone you need to watch out for!!
I love seeing these teams become more diverse! As for a post game fight, I've always enjoyed when "boss trainers" get to use the legendary that defines them.
They really missed with the teams in base game. love the changes
interesting stuff. reallylooking forward to the big team bases to be ALOT more interesting :). also love machamp being on team aqua fighting types really work with the sailor kinda aesthetic aqua has going
It always baffled me that in a region with so many water types, nearly all Team Aqua grunts just use Carvanha, Poochyena, and Zubat.
A double battle with Maxie against Archie and Matt in the Sea Floor Cavern would be incredibly fun i think
Love the team changes! Really makes it feel like each team and each member of the team are different and unique.
For post game I think it would be awesome if you could find a way to give Archie and Maxie a double battle with you. This would further the acknowledgement you added in for each other’s perspectives and give something awesome to do in the end game.