USCM Tech: UD-4L "Cheyenne" Utility Dropship
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- A look at the USCM's UD-4L "Cheyenne" Utility Dropship, and the incredible detail put into it by James Cameron & Co, as shown in the Aliens: Colonial Marines Tech Manual.
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Apologies for the mispronunciations. Please comment below and advise if you believe this video should be re-edited and re-uploaded.
Mispronouncing Cheyenne several times in this video is quite distracting.
There's a few, accelerometer, sabot, piezo (I think that was in another video), but I just find it amusing and doesn't warrant any changes. Most people don't use these words in conversations and unless you're into the military or physics/chemistry, you probably never will. I bet most non-American English speakers would mispronounce Cheyenne. Cool video though man
you mispronounced a lot of words but it's not that big of a deal. I appreciate your videos. of the words I caught, here is how I hear them pronounced the majority of the time (USA): Cheyenne/Shy-ann; piezoelectric/pe-8-zoe-electric; turbine/turr-binn (turr-byne is common, if frowned upon); fuselage/few-sell-lodge; ablative/abb-lay-tive (abb-la-tive is common); sabot/say-bow (sabb-bow is also common)
Yes. Please. It's an indian tribe. The least we can do is pronounce the name right so they don't scalp us...🤣
But seriously, YES, Fix it.
Fix it!!
The fact we're still analyzing ALIENS some 35 years later is a testament to the impact it had on Pop Culture. I saw it twice in a row (Australia). First was a Wednesday where I'd won tickets in a newspaper competition and then on the Thursday which is always the official release day of any new movie here in Australia. I've watched it well over 200 times now and it's still an incredible movie - peerless in execution. The Dropship was always one of my favourite Sci-Fi ships because its believable and makes sense in a Military application.
Imagine my joy watching it with my kids!
"Cameron and company put painstaking detail......" a thing sadly lacking from the later films.
@Help Me Get 1000 Subscribers that's the point he was making.
What details would you need in alien 3? Its setting was so base and primitive.
Oh boy... These replies to your comment ....😅 there are always those couple of idiots that can't keep their mouth shut
That drop shop is the sexiest piece of movie military equipment I've ever seen.
It's also in the Terminator movies :-D
I always liked the Bodyarmor and the Pulse Rifles
The APC is pretty bad ass too.
Big facts!
2:03 However the mini gun the size of a watermelon on the swivel turret doesn’t look very effective
As someone with a degree in Aerospace engineering, I'm amazed at the level of thought put into this design. A lot of the sci-fi elements are hand wavy and the design is not really practical, but the creators made it as practical a possible while maintaining coolness factor. Considerations like dynamic pressure, ablative surfaces, and torsion from the weapons pods are far above what I would expect from a background drop ship. I've always loved the look of the Cheyenne and its nice to know so much went into the design
@Joe Turner
RE: "A lot of the sci-fi elements are hand wavy and the design is not really practical, . . ."
I noticed that too; you're absolutely right. But of course it's easy to design something that doesn't have to actually work.
This thing is a Frankenstein of many actual designs. U see a head from ah-64, intake and tail from f-4, landing gear from avro vulcan and canberra, etc etc.
who said that the design isn't practical or that the materials, weapons and so on and on...aren't possible or maybe they are and you don't have the level of clearance/s. whether it's BAE, GD, NG, LM or whomever, there always someone who is creating tech you won't believe it became real or not.
Cameron is a pro, you'll find the same level of detail in avatar
Somebody wake up Hicks.
Wake him up. Because I have a great feeling about his day
epic quote
The disgust in Apones voice was too perfect
That one line let all of us know who the badass was.
The Sarge wasn't mad he was frustrated , Hicks had become so desensitized to war that what made the rest nervous was just another day.
Hicks on the other hand was doing what all experienced soldiers have done since the beginning of time, sleep when you can you're never sure when you will next.
@@ronaldowens5025 yep that's for sure
Cameron blended an F-4 and an AH-1 for the concept of the dropship, and honestly I think he nailed it.
tail section is pure "Phantom II" ... isn't it?!
Ferro: So what's the UD-4L's one weakness?
Spunkmeyer: Meh. No toilet.
Someone mentioned that the arms looked weak for what they hold at the end.
Sorry marines...if you need a dump,you gotta hold it till planetside...and if you can't,sarge will personally make sure you clean up your ", accident" 😂
I'm ready for another Alien movie that focuses on fighting between Aliens and Marines.
That would be good if done right. I always saw Starship Troopers as a play on the colonial marines and xenomorphs
Yea, but it needs to have that balls to the wall, no fucks given action vibe inherent to 1980s movies. Not some millennial, CGI filled, virtue signalling piece of 'art' where everyone learns a lesson about love and inclusion.
Groucho totally agree!
Robert Breeden long over due!
Yeah.
The dropship looks like a cross between a harrier jet and an apache attack helicopter, says concept artist Syd Mead.
I see an F-4 phantom married to a chopper.
F-4 Phantom+AH-1 Cobra
It wasn't designed by Syd Mead, mate. This version was designed by Ron Cobb. Syd doesn't like the final version (watch the Superior Firepower doc on the Anthology bluray)
The final design was created by Ron Cobb. Syd's design was deemed too polished, and too finicky. Ron Cobb is a master of making sci fi designs more grounded and "real world". He also designed pretty much ALL the Nostromo too
@@mistermatix8241 We need him to help design props for a possible Colonial Marine movie.
We're in the pipe, five by five!
Apparently, 5x5 means "I hear you loud and clear.".
Its more of a comm's check to make sure they (command) hear you and you (pilot) hear them as well.
@@NativeTexMexican i was going to ask what that meant. 😁
Or as in Aliens Colonial Marines. 'We're in the pipe. Five by F$+k'
"Roger Roger, whats our vector Victor?"
Coming around for a 709er......
I wish they would just go ahead make a Colonial Marines movie. Everyonr would love to see other weapons in the Colonial Marine corps arsenal and some of the other weapons like the independently targeting particle beam phalanx or the phases plasma pulse rifles that Hudson bragged about.
I'm sure that before the movies people were wishing for Alien vs. Predator films. I wish for any well written/directed alien film.
And sharp sticks, FTMFW!!!
Instablaster...
'Wap! Fry half a city with this puppy. '
The tech manual he talks about covers the plasma pulse rifle. It's big, basically like a recoilless antitank rifle. Plus, ya gotta lug around a battery and cable for it. That's one of the best things about the tech presented in the alien franchise, it always looks believable.
The plasma rifles were actually sold out. As per the the dead gun shop owner in terminator.
Keep going Alien Theory you are nunmber one Alien channel!
what is the "sea of sorrows" is that a movie ? where can i find it ?
As I watch this I realize more and more how much Halo was inspired by James Cameron’s work. I only just realized after watching this how much the legendary Pelican Dropship is based off this fine vessel. Thanks for posting this I love all the tech and lore info!
I actually haven't watched Aliens yet and was just comparing the vehicle designs in Aliens to Halo, my favorite sci fi series even if only for music and story. Being a regular on Atomic Rockets, I could immediately tell how they actually tried to make it believable unlike Bungie with the Pelican. The wiki page had me at "variable geometry". Meanwhile Bungie is just like "haha impossibly high performance fusion engine go BRRRRRR". I'd give it a 9/10 in terms of engineering. It might be a 10 or even 11 given how it has more available information than some real military vehicles, but age hasn't worked in its favor given better materials or technology it could be using. In terms of serving a role in the military, maybe a 7/10? Having more ship side infrastructure like tethers for easier recovery makes more sense than over engineering, but military doctrine isn't perfect.
Aliens and Halo are both my intellectual property along with Blade Runner Spaceballs and many more including MCU Universe glad you like the work I did 1982 1987.
The makers of halo were massive aliens fans. The entire space Marines were completely inspired, sergeant and everything. There are dozens and dozens of aliens lines in halo
StarCraft as well
Yes. This dropship needs to be updated and used again in another Alien Movie. Not too much updating though.
Ohhhhh yes dude 😎👍
As far as cutting edge characteristics go, the Cheyenne is very modern, all it really needs are sensor pods(It supposedly has IR sensors but i can't locate them in the design), perhaps an active defense system to defeat ballistic threats, and since it's supposed to be space-worthy, small propulsion jets in all direction for complex maneuvers.
Also i always found it odd that the hull, at least at the bottom, doesn't seal into a flat, smooth surface to protect it during re-entry, granted, they have future materials, but it'd be more convenient and safer to give it a smooth belly, retracting the skids up and sealing the weapon pods against the intense heat.
@@jamesfrank3213 That points out something I've always thought was a mistake. It drops from the Sulaco, which was in orbit, meaning that it's coming down from orbital velocity and therefore would have to endure roughly the same reentry stresses as a Shuttle or Soyuz. However, it appears to drop like a stone the moment the moorings are released, and while they talk about hull ionization we never see any heat glow from plasma in front of the leading edges, implying that it wasn't coming down from orbit after all.
Could the Sulaco have done a brake and hover maneuver to release the dropship, then accelerate back to orbital velocity? That would be really, really, really inefficient.
@@Datan0de i always figured that the docking clamps were electromagnetic and they reversed the polarity for initial push from orbit to descent profile along with the dropships own thrusters.
I think it could use updated anti-missile defense and maybe some new liquid filled armor that can quickly cool it after atmospheric re-entry as the narrator states its heat signature is massive and takes a long time to cool down.
Always loved that ship ever since I was a little boy! My only disappointment was to see it destroyed without ever firing a shot... so if we do see it again, do an 'Apocalypse Now" shootout and I'll be amazed!
This dropship was my favorite spaceship growing up. Still my favorite movie. I remember trying to draw this ship as a kid. I Love Aliens!
You and me both, I swear it might have something to do with me later becoming a marine helicopter pilot.
Mr. Anon
I loved the Suloco with the way it looks like a giant pulse rifle
Yeah aliens is my favourite of the original film I got the McFarlane toys cpl hicks figaur
One of the reasons I love Cameron's movies; the attention to detail in his films is just outstanding! Even to this day, Aliens still looks good
I’m now going to watch Aliens for the 39th time.
Always loved this drop ship.
Literally just watched it for my 20th today was the directors cut. Love those Robo Guns making dog food out of the aliens.
Only 39?!
You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers. 😉
I always liked the design of the drop ship. Its practical and futuristic looking yet maintains an air of believeability. Looks great and crashes spectacularly.
I’m currently a 3rd year Aerospace Engineering major in college. Although some of this stuff might sound like made up on first hearing, almost everything described is accurate to the kinds of things that go into Aerospace design. It’s so cool that in one of my classes I’m learning about carbon composite matrices and that’s what the skin of the Cheyenne is made from! What a great video!
You'll have a bright future after you graduate, Sebastian. All the best
In layman's terms a bad ass drop ship
I always wondered why the drop ship was sent without some crew being left on the Sulaco? If they're sending a squad down to go into combat which has the potential of having equipment and Communications damaged you would think that there would be some type of crew left in orbit for a rescue resupply or extended communication
Don't over think the movie or like all movies it falls apart.
I do wish we’d have gotten the chance to see the Cheyenne go on at least one fire support mission for the ground team. Same with the APC, I wish we got to see it use its weapons, to suppress some Xenomorphs, while evacing the marines.
Love to see this craft in a film again!
A long, long time ago. In a country far, far away, I had the unforgettable experience of seeing, close up, a nerveless and completely confident, maybe too confident, pilot. I was a soldier going into combat. In what was referred to as a troopship. The war was Vietnam, and the troopship was a UH-1 Huey.
Dammit tell us more, what happened?
@@BoopedNose To avoid the enemy fire, he did a flair landing. I was thrown on the floor and saw a beautiful blue sky. As I got up, he turned his head around and gave me a big grin. THE END
@@outlet6989 that's awesome, yet I bet at the time it was scary 😲 , sometimes I wish I had military experience just so I could tell cool stories, but I doubt I'd survive I'd probably be killed and someone else would be telling a story of that dumbsh!t guy who ran into battle against a enemy force and they chewed me up and shot me down 😉😂
"We're on an express elevator to hell; go'n DOWN!"
"Shy ann" is proper pronunciation.
Even though she had a small part Ferro nailed her screen time and those Sunglasses were perfect. Wouldnt mind flying her in an after mission either😈.
Colette Hiller (Ferro) channeled the short haired '80's rocker chic vibe in this role. She looked killer in those aviator glasses! One of the times I was ever tempted to join the Corps.
She definitely nailed that part 👏
Agreed. I loved her androgynous style, and it made them one of the first queer crushes I recall having when I was younger, even though I didn’t know exactly what that meant at the time.
I served with the 1st 285th, Desert Hawks, and got to see the Longbow Apaches up close. They always reminded me of the Cheyenne, right down to the way they posture right as they come into attack/landing range.
I’ve always said they needed a more direct sequel to aliens with the actual marines and the drop ship seeing more action
I have this ship in my display cabnit along with a iddy biddy apc coming down the ramp. This movie still holds the test of time awsome.
The ship looks bad ass - always loved it! Looks very similar the hunter killers in The Terminator - both amazing movies by Cameron
We got Phase Plasma Pulse Rifles, RPGs we got Sonic Electronic Ballbreakers! We got nukes...we got knives sharp sticks.
Put a sock in it, Hudson!
Don't forget the independently targeting particle beam phalanx
@@WhiteDwarfVR4 Fry a whole city with this puppy...
@@jwilde642 what are we supposed to use, harsh language?
We got nukes, kniifes, sharp sticks. What a film, i watch once a decade and it never gets old, both the dropship and the APC look top spec even today. What use is all that tech if a Queen can hitch hike, Thanks for making the effort, great vid.
I love this channel, I also love the fact that people ask questions like these things are actually real 😃
I would love to see the dropship and James Cameron back for another, or many, films.
Excellent video! Thanks so much Alien Theory!
Love to see the drop ship back in film again!
I have a lootcrate shirt with bugstomper logo and couldnt remember where it was from in Alien until now, lol.
@TheNewyorkdragon i payed for it so u can have a seat.
Kakashi- EM
You lucky so & so!👍🏽
Cool ship seems like a fusion of a Harrier jump jet and CV 22 osprey and f22 raptor. This aircraft is amazing. They way you described it you be a air service spokesman .
Actually it's based on the Apache helicopter, Bell osprey and A10 tank buster.
@@TheIndulged1 Maybe and only one was clearly based on the A 10 thunderbolt 2 in the video. (Serval versions are mentioned in video)
There's sereval versions of the bell osprey the CV 22 is the first combat version .Though like in the video there's sereval version of the Osprey depending on the branch of the Us military. Yeah I did notice it had few features but more looks of a Apache long bow. Along with weapon systems that are featured in the jets I mentioned earlier.
It's not based on the Osprey. That didn't even exist in 1985 when this was designed. Likewise the Raptor.
@@skepticalbadger No I didn't know that sarcasm. I'm noting similarities in various aircraft it's based on and or might've inspired and what we have today. Understand context and they've updated the drop ship sereval times over it's life span.
angelofchoasdeath except he can’t pronounce Cheyanne or fuselage but yeah
Handled some of the technical terms very smoothly, there.
"Rough air ahead we're in for some chop."
Where's the damn beacon? Oh, I see it.
WHAT UP BROTHA!!!
Always loved the way the Cheyenne looked. The Cheyenne dropping out from the Sulaco and into orbit always was my favorite. Thanks for another great video.
I've always loved that scene too, but it's completely unrealistic. If the Sulaco is in orbit, the Cheyenne would not drop like a rock. It would slowly drift away and then, under it's own power, turn around, burn its main drive to slow down to de-orbit, turn back around and then gradually drop down into the atmosphere, like current spacecraft do.
I bought that same tech manual so many years ago I forgot when I got it, yet it's still one of my favorite manuals.
The UD-4L Cheyenne dropship is my favorite science fiction vehicle of all time.
I do love your videos. I remember the first time I watched aliens. It just came out on VHS. I was five at the time. My brother was 4 years old. My dad put it on and we watched it with him. He made us promise that we wouldn't tell mom that he let us watch it with him. I remember we didn't move the entire movie. It was like my brother and I were scared to move the entire movie. The facehuggers haunted my dreams for years lol. Good work on the videos. Love your channel
The only channel that seems to be after my own heart with all the knowledge you possess on the Colonial Marines.
While the original Alien was an amazing movie and groundbreaking, I have to admit that Aliens is my favorite of the series. I'd love to see more marines and the Cheyenne.
This is amazing. Feels like an old schools fmv cutscene from a video game or even a scene from the movies/era themselves.
Thank you very much AT. I really appreciate your work. Another excellent video. Excellent presentation and as always amazing imagines. Have a great week. Until the next one......
As if I wasn't already in love with this Dropship from childhood.. today I learned that it is equipped with BRRRRRP too!
I really like your channel! Really informative and fun! Glad your around to do these. I don't think the dropship will show up again in film but I'd like to see it again. I've always thought it had some AH-64 Apache mixed in with it's design. Thanks for the good work!
Another excellent video alien theory, love the depth of lore you explore. Keep it up
I adore the dropship. Thanks for giving it the love it deserves! The Colonial Marine Technical Manual is an absolute treasure.
One thing that always bothered me about the dropship though is the way the large upper pylons are situated. When deployed, you end up having the wing surface on one side positioned ahead of the wing surface on the other side. I'd think that would play hell with the aerodynamics.
Quality content brother & have a great weekend
Fantastic job. The depth of these movies always amazes me!
Superb content!!
My favourite spaceship ever. Even topping the falcon. I loved it from the day I watched aliens when I was too young to of watched it. I have collected the halcyon kits and just got the metal ones. Cost me a lot but worth it so I can deploy the weapons or leave them closed in flight mode
Dropping ramp in an unsecured area was a pretty dumb idea
for a quick touch down and deploy, the dropship in the scene took off immediately afterwards.
@@AdmiralBison However after the touch and go, they land an in an unsecured LZ with no support and open the ramp, which let the Xeno onboard
Damn I love watching these videos, give me a nice little escape for a little while. Thanks for making these. Great to think about nothing and just be entertained.
Been waiting on this one for a while
Woah dude I saw people asking for this but you actually did it nice
When I first saw Aliens as a kid, I wanted to pilot the drop ship out of the Sulaco more than anything! Great cover on this!
When I saw Aliens as a kid, I nearly shat myself.
I still can’t understand how they didn’t notice mother bug hitching a ride
They noticed debris catching landing skis I believe this is where mama bug got on
Stevie Jo yeah What what they mean is loads of alarms should have gone off it have a sensor net across its skin to allow it to detect reaches scratches the one that would contaminate its ability to enter atmo, not to mention it’s weight change will affect how it performed that would be registered on sensors. the drag that she would cause as they were climbing would have been detected and more, compounding this is the fact that a android was piloting which has no excuse for not noticing.
Plot necessity. Ripley needed her final showdown with the Queen.
Brilliant video. Love these tech ones. And the earth war awesome just awesome
Very Cool! I didn't know you did a piece on the Dropship! Nice!
I would love to see more in depth looks at the vehicles and equipment in the alien franchise, keep up the good work
Yes I would like to see another Alien sequal with the Drop ship in a new movie
The drop ships are dope but that tank was Gangsta!!!
Thanks for the video. I'll see you next time.
"I fly the friendly skies..."
I’m hooked man, keep it up.👍
Still one of my favourite Sci-Fi vessel designs. Was reminded of this as I gorged on this channel recently. I'd fly that for a dollar.
This was by far my favorite vehicle in the series. I sure wished it had more usage in the movies.
Love the Dropship! Express Elevator To Hell! Going DOWN!
5:18 That's the way how "drop ship" should drop!
love that scene
Awesome work alien theory, spacedock would be proud of a deep dive like this.
They need to design this for the military today. Love the design. Reminds me a jet combined by a attacked chopper just like modern day A10 Warthog and Cobra Attack Helicopter
Love it. Bravo my friend.
Very cool video I did a similler video ages ago , I live the dropship is extremely iconic you've been I big influence on my own channel keep up the good work us lore masters need to stick together
Not that you are gonna go back and change anything but....
Cheyenne: Shy-anne
Fuselage: Few-sell-odge, like Dodge without the D.
Sabot: Say-bow
Whatever your pronunciations are these videos you make are GREAT! I really enjoy them. Thank you for making them!
Such an awesome channel
Didn’t think I could like this ship more. I was wrong. Great video.
1:12 i own that technical manual :)
Antel Drobat where did you find it? Interested.
@@Ghostrider-71 at the mall at barnes and noble when malls used to have book stores. :)
Mine is signed by Lance, Michael, and Alex Ginnis.
@@TWiLiGHT411 😲
Lance signed it by the android. Says "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid" - Lance Henrickson
Finally, somebody covered the Cheyenne. Thanks for this. I'd love to see it in action on the big screen but probably not gonna happen. Are you going to make a video for the APC? Happy Easter!
One of the best ship designs ever... i went and saw Aliens again on a Tuesday night by myself with my sketch pad and a flashlight so i could draw it!! :) (pre internet and just being able to google the image)
Such an iconic airframe it's been the insperation for so many other dropships awesome air craft
Love those drop ship look bad ass with lots of missile open and ready to shoot missile
Awesome video alien theory rocks.
Love those dropship so awesome look when it open in midair
Syd Mead famously doesn't like this Dropship design (he thinks it's too spindly). He's a magnificent visual designer, but I'm sorry, this design by Ron Cobb blows his version out of the water. So iconic, and so damn mean looking. Without doubt one of the best vehicle designs in film.
They mostly come out at night...mostly...
Yes! Bring it back!
That thing has the aerodynamic properties of a flying brick.
All part of its charm
Not quite. Bricks are not hampered by the drag and torsion from two additional bricks mounted on long arms extended perpendicular to the direction of flight. This ship has the aerodynamics of a fire truck with its ladder extended.
By the way, where does the lift come from? Even VTOL jets have proper wings. Verisimilitude is a strength of this movie, but the drop ship is one exception. Very cool to look at but one of the films rare details that strain credulity.
@@kerry7932 supposed to be a lifting body craft.
And if you give a brick enough thrust, it will fly. 😀
@Robert Logan I think that's why, as a child, the movies scared me so much. The technology looked so familiar and accessible. Not only that but obviously what scared me the most was the Xenomorph, but the environs in which the first two movies took place made the monsters accessible, and terrified a young boy so badly he couldn't look out of windows at night for weeks after. Now nothing Hollywood has made since has terrified me as deliciously as those first two movies of the Alien franchise.
I definitely would love to see another film with the UD-4L "Cheyenne" featured in full effect. Something that has always intrigued me about the UD-4L is that it very similar to the Hunter-Killer ships Cameron uses in the first Terminator film. Had the franchised not been ruined by subsequent failures by other directors, and had Cameron maintained control of its direction, I tend to believe we might have seen a Terminator versus Aliens franchise crop up in addition to, or instead of, the Predator v. Aliens mess we've had to endure.
If you think about it, Terminators would be the best and only way to fight Aliens had they somehow reached earth. The concept of Terminators being used as autonomous droids to fight Aliens could last for decades before Skynet defeats the Aliens. After that is when Skynet decides humans need to be exterminated as well for having the arrogance to bring Aliens to earth in the first place via Wayland Industries.
What a nice treat the Easter Bunny left us today!! Feeling the love! Thank you Alien Theory! Happy Easter. Wouldn't it be a bitch if you got left an ovamorph egg in your Easter basket?! Lol. Happy Easter!
Best movie ever and a huge part of my childhood! Love it!
Alien Theory bad a$$! keep it up!
I have the Brickmania custom Lego kit of the Colonial Marines Dropship. I need to set aside the time to actually build it (I built their APC and its a fantastic set). Always loved the design of the Cheyenne! Great job on the tech specs and history of this iconic sci-fi vehicle!