Nope. Possibly a negligence lawsuit, although that lawsuit might be better directed at others involved with Rust. An actor handed a gun by assistant director who grabbed it from a prop cart pre-prepared by the set expert, has a fairly cast iron defence that he is an actor not a gun handler so any discharge at all, whether he pulled the trigger or not would be viewed accidental due to the fact others were responsible for loading and checking. The interview was a mistake, he should have just kept quiet. People won't stop talking if you keep showing up.
I had a little boy living next door a few years ago. He would play with toy guns all the time. He came up and asked me if I wanted to see his gun. As a gun enthusiast I said "Heck yeah I wanna see your gun" and just out of muscle memory, I act as if I'm checking for rounds and do my safety checks. My neighbor asked what I was doing and I explained to him anytime I pick up a firearm I always safety check it as that's what I was taught in the military and have always done no matter what. This little boy thought it was so cool that he eventually started mimicking me and safety checking that little toy gun all the time. That put a smile on my face.
Hell to the yeah, good on you for imparting these lessons. As much as I would love to own firearms each time I watch channels like Demolition Ranch and Kentucky Ballistics I realize how ignorant I am on these kinds of matters.
This is exactly what’s needed for everyone to hear. Doesn’t matter if you are brand new to firearms or an instructor. You put it professionally and logically perfect Lenny, thank you.
Like the prosecutor in The Rittenhouse case just yesterday aimed in AR-15 in the faces of everybody in the courtroom and placed his finger on the trigger 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I totally agree. I used to visit an indoor range, here in the UK. A friend and myself, just arrived one evening in the 1980s, to find the place was alive with people all standing outside talking. One of the range safety officers, had just been took to Hospital after shooting himself in the Foot, with a single shot .22lr Target pistol. It can easily happen if safety protocol, breaks down.
That's not how it has ever worked on movie sets. That is the job of the armorer and safety lead. Trying to put this on Baldwin is BS. He wasn't at a range or out plinking. This was supposed to be a prop gun.
@@mountainmantn So it's no wonder how this happened. "It's always someone else's responsibility". Well how did that work out? Wow dude, did you not listen to one word the man said? F#cking amazing!
Really respect the fact that Lenny actually admitted to having his own ND...shows the humility and honesty that lend credibility to whatever a person has to say. Kudos!
I totally agree that's a very hard thing to admit when it's not necessary to do so very honest and informative for folks not aware of gun safety and how it can happen to even the most safe of individuals. Your wording of ND I think will be something a lot more will be familiar with as this incident gets to trial. Baldwin states that he pulled the hammer back and let it go and the gun went off without him pulling the trigger. It seems his lawyer has instructed him to claim an AD and accidentally discharge so that he can claim no negligence probably shifting blame to the gun.
Right my old firearms instructor/gun dealer has always told me "You WILL have a negligent discharge, anyone who claims to never had an ND is a fucking liar. But when it does happen to you at least make sure you were obeying the other 2 rules of gun safety and you'll be fine, it will scare the shit out of you but if it's pointed in a safe direction and there is nowhere for it to go except into something solid that will catch it, you will be fine." He also had a clearing barrel in his shop so if anyone needed to present a firearm they were selling or submitting for repair he had them clear it in the barrel first than he did it in front of us.
@@JustinLaFleur1990 you’re right. I’ve had 2. Don’t ever want another one, but safety rule #1 saved the day both times. First one is a mystery to this day. Second one was totally MY fault. Violated 2 rules, bad thing happened. Fortunately didn’t violate my #1… muzzle direction!
This is the MOST non-judgmental, MOST educational, review of the events of what happened on Alec Baldwin’s movie set. Awesome video. You are a great teacher. Well done.
I am an experienced shooter and I appreciate your thorough and concise explanation of the single action revolver used in this tragedy. Much better explanation than I have seen from our news media. Also, your insistence and instruction on redundant safety checks when receiving a gun from somebody else who is "certain" that it is a "cold gun" cannot be said too many times. Thank you.
@@Tekner436 You're a little off topic there, aren't ya? I was commenting on single action revolvers. By the way, "weapons of war" are capable of full automatic fire and they are not simply limited to semi auto operation.
If a person has ever told me that a gun was empty or "cold" when they handed it to me, I have always checked it myself. This was drilled into me by the Cub Scouts, and then further reiterated by the boy scouts. Fun fact, I was at summer camp in my final weeks as a boy scout, and it was civil war camp, where I and the other provosts were issued an 1861 springfield that we carried most of the time. We also fired a blank most mornings as a wake up for the back packers that were there just for the afternoon before and that morning (they went camp to camp). One morning, we did this like normal, and as there is no bullet, there is no kick. We continued throughout the rest of the day like normal, until we got to the shooting range, where us three provosts were going through the dry motions for loading when I noticed my ramrod was higher out of the barrel than it should have been and informed the range master that my rifle was loaded with powder. We had not realized the powder had not gone off. However, throughout that entire time, I had treated the rifle like normal, as if it was loaded and ready to fire at any moment, and always had it pointed in a safe direction. But yeah, that moment made it so I will even treat guns _I_ think are clear fully as if they are loaded, because you never want one whoops to mean someone is dead.
FACT I am one of Lenny Magill's biggest fans. I have watched almost everyone of his videos over the years and the number one reason that I like Mr. Magill is his CONSTANT Diligence regarding firearms safety.
I like Lenny but he has no Idea what he is talking about when it comes to filming with firearms. checking the gun would have done nothing the gun hand 5 dummy rounds and 1 live round in it dummy's look just like real rounds Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger multiple times before the live round discharged.
And For Baldwin to say,: 'I have No guilt' Says volumes about his character. No matter the circumstances,He killed a mother,someone's daughter, grandchild.. Despicable human.
The way this guy yelled at his 12 year old daughter ,the way he beat up that man who stole his parking spot and the way he acted on that airplane when he was refused to board it and the many times he had encounters with the police. This guy is a lunatic.
Lessons of the day: always treat your firearm as if it’s loaded. And guns don’t kill people, people kill people. As always thanks for the knowledge and tips Lenny
True. However, on a Production Movie Set, it’s Not his firearm. The firearms belong to the Prop Department - maintained and safety checked by an Armorer. Don’t confuse private gun ownership and it’s protocol with this scenario. Why not just fire all the Armorers and the Prop Department.. and have the Actors safety and maintain the firearms?😂. Absurd, right?! That’s my point.!
@@m4rvinmartian Good to know! I’ve seen a lot of talk about it online lately but am yet to get my hands on one personally or put some rounds down range. Seems like a pretty nice piece especially when compared to the Glock platform
I've been around guns for nearly 40 years now. Did time in the Army and became a PO as a career. Retired now and still enjoy the latest and greatest handguns and rifles. I am man enough to say that if you handed me that old colt, I would not accept it till you showed me how to clear it and check for it's safety. I simply did not know the functions of that firearm (although now I do). Others will never admit that in public because they might feel embarrassed to say it. That's a problem.
Thank you Lenny! Everyone needs to be refreshed in gun safety! My Dad taught me 60 years ago about it and I hold true to it today, but your refresher will reinforce it for me again!
Even when I pick up a drill, my trigger finger is "high on the frame" and I always "point it in a safe direction". Build your good gun habits wherever you can! Perfect way for your kids to learn, too!
Gun Education. There's a lack of it in our country today, and that can contribute to the fear of firearms as well. It's sad. Thank you for this video! I remember in a safety course I took many years ago the instructor handed out a set mousetrap and said "Treat this like you would a loaded firearm". Finally 1/2 way through the class someone said "unload it first". That was the winning answer!
One of things I always stress in all my firearm classes (CCW, pistol, or rifle) is "ignorance is not bliss" when it comes to firearms. You are always responsible when handling firearms. Like what Mr. Magill is saying, when you are handing a gun you are the designated driver.
If you have novice comes into a gun range for some casual shooting who is ultimately responsible for the safety of everyone? The novice or the range officer? Before I got my gun RPAL I was required to take a safety course (Canada its a must) and I can tell you I didn't know shit about gun safety beyond what they show in movies. Trigger discipline, pointing in the safe direction, clearing the gun was all taught to me in that course.
I do have one objection. You said "Blank," when you were describing a "Dummy" round - hole in the case with no powder. A Blank & a Dummy are two different items. A Dummy is inert. A Blank has a primer and gun powder with no bullet. You know that, I'm sure it was just a slip of the tongue but some may not have caught it. Good job!
@@acebaker2001 Intention was to shoot the gun in the direction of other actors who knew the gun was going to fire a BLANK! It's like a lying spouse that says they're on birth control.
Great explanations. Alec Baldwin said the gun fired when he released the hammer. So it means he had his finger on the trigger the whole time, because that's the only way to release the hammer. If only he had done at least ONE of your recommended advice (which is actually the norm to follow in movie sets), either checking for the ammo, or not putting his finger in the trigger chamber or not aiming at anyone, then Halyna would still be alive.
Yes you can see him firmly holding the trigger as he did his practice draws. He talked like an idiot don't a game interview and there video of him holding the trigger. He's going to jail
Lenny, I watch a lot of your videos and appreciate them but this video takes the cake…I Love It! Your respect for the person involved, your detailing of procedures, your identifying of failure points, your emphasis on safety and PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and last your honest statement that most of us if not all of use who handle guns on a daily basis have had or will have an incident some day. Even this you counter addressed repercussion by emphasizing safety “don’t ever point at what your not going to intentionally shoot” (my quote not yours but your message). As for the rest of your videos, they are always informative, concise and well articulated. Thanks for all, 3WarVet
Brilliant Lenny .... I'm glad you are not defending the actor.... but explaining the PROBLEM..if children had firearms training in middle school or high school this world 🌎 would be a MUCH SAFER PLACE FOR ALL OF US...
Finally an Alec Baldwin video that clearly demonstrates how to clear a similar type gun used on the set. Also clear explanation as to what should have happened on the set of "Rust." Thank you for this.
@@monotech20.14 I'll take George Clooney's word over yours: "Every single time I'm handed a gun on set, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I'm pointing it to, we show it to the crew, every single take you hand it back to the armour when you're done, and you do it again. Everyone does it."
I can't help but wonder if this whole thing was planned so the left can show people how guns are just too dangerous for people to own. I'm sorry for those who died but democrats don't care about the lives of people, if they did there would be no abortion.
A professional shootist told me that the most dangerous person around a gun is the guy who thinks it can't go off accidentally. Assume every gun has a hair trigger and is fully loaded and treat it as such until you know otherwise and never, ever point it at anything you don't want to kill or destroy.
Can you tell the Rittenhouse prosecutor to keep his flipping finger off the bangy and not point the AR at the Jury? Alec was told it was clear, not loaded, whatever term they use on set BUT it was still his responsibility to visually inspect it. If a gun store clerk hands me a firearm that I want to check out I hope they visually inspect the chamber before handing it to me then I do the same thing with it pointed in a safe direction.
If I'm just handed a firearm and just told "it's unloaded bro". Bruh. Imma check. It's common sense. That's how these things happen. Apparently it passed 3 hands before getting to Baldwin. So 4 people neglected to check the cylinder. My God bro. It's not hard lol. I'm frustrated now.
A gun store clerk and an armorer are two different things. Clearly the Glockstore guy has the same problem distinguishing the responsibility of the revolver.
I saw that as well. If I would have been on that jury, I would have called him out on that immediately. Even if it would have meant me being removed. HEY!!.... DON'T POINT THAT GUN TOWARD ME!! What the hell are you doing? You got your finger on the trigger too! Imagine the field day that the Press would have with that. Especially after the Alec Baldwin (Cold Gun) incident.
It's kind of ironic how anti-gunners don't know anything about gun safety. You'd think they'd learn the safety basics before spouting about with their wokeness, but alas they do not, and people die because of it. Ironic. Even my 12, 15, and 18 year olds have the safety basics down pat. Ironic.
Lenny, you have TOP TIER quality advice. I’ve seen many gun related yt videos and you are always on point with your expertise on this subject. I would advise anyone to watch your videos on grip, training, safety, etc. Always the best source. If you started creating more content on range safety, gun reviews, gun mods, literally anything I can guarantee this yt audience would greatly appreciate all of that.
Lenny thank you for this video and for being honest about an accidental discharge you had. I had an accidental discharge on a Deer hunt in New Hampshire. It was day five of the hunt, I was overtired and I got to my spot where I wanted to hunt. I had bulky gloves on due to the extreme cold temps, and unbeknownst to me I had move the safety to the fire position. Thankfully the other inherent safety rules I followed kept me from harming myself or anyone else, as the gun was pointed at the ground. A very valuable lesson I learned that morning. You are never to old or handled enough firearms to stop following the rules of gun safety.
There are in fact, "accidental" discharges. Those occur when unforeseeable equipment or ammunition malfunctions happen that were beyond the operator's reasonable and practical control. Example #1: You are on the firing line. You insert a loaded magazine into your old semiauto handgun and chamber a round. This semiauto has a very high round count at the time, but it has always functioned correctly. As the slide slams forward and locks into battery with a live round, the sear claw (which is very worn and has now begun rounding off) slips off the shelf and fails to maintain control of the hammer. The hammer falls as if the trigger had just been pulled, and the cartridge is fired. The sear is marginally serviceable and just starting to fail, so upon the action cycling, the sear manages to capture and hold the hammer that time, preventing a runaway. You've just experienced an accidental discharge. You were not negligent. The gun broke and you were not able to anticipate that. If you were following the 5 rules of safety, this would do nothing more than scare you and prompt immediate inspection and repair of the gun. A very similar situation may happen to you with new guns too, such as if you own a S&W Shield EZ that has been recalled due to having cracked hammers which fail to engage the sear properly. M&P Shield EZ pistols (including Performance Center models) manufactured between March 1, 2020 and October 31, 2020 are currently being recalled for the potential risk of accidental discharges. Example #2: You buy a brand new SKS packed in cosmoline. You get it home, detail strip it, and clean all the muck off with mineral spirits. Although you did a good job of getting the rifle quite clean and back in shooting condition, there was a small bit of very very stubborn crud in the firing pin channel of the bolt that did not come out all the way when you cleaned the channel. You take the rifle to the range, push in a clip of 10 rounds, and let the bolt fly home. The bit of crud had captured the floating firing pin in the forward position without your knowledge. The bolt flies home, chambering a cartridge, and immediately fires it as if it was an open bolt machine gun. It's only a small bit of crud, so it fires a 2 round burst and then stops. You've experienced 2 accidental discharges. You unload the rifle and once at home, you inspect the firing pin channel and see the very small bit of crud that caused the malfunction. You chuck a bronze bore brush in a drill and go at it, scrubbing that spot out and making the firing pin channel nice and smooth, after which you never have an accidental discharge again. Example #3: You buy a CZ-52 handgun and own it for many years. The decocker is known to be fragile and unreliable. Yours however, passed the occasional inspection and function tests over the years so you've come to believe that it's likely functional and in spec. You won't rely on it to save a life or limb, but you're trusting enough to think it won't fire the gun when you decock it in a safe direction. One day you decock it pointed at the backstop at the range, and it fires. The decocker assembly had worn just enough as to make it unsafe and able to fire once in a blue moon, as many CZ-52s often experience. Until then, it proved itself to be one of the functional ones. By now, it had worn and become one of the untrustworthy ones that needs repair. You've experienced an accidental discharge. Example #4: You buy a Remington 700 rifle and take it to the range to sight it in. You get it dialed in and all ready to go deer hunting next week. You function test the safety and it seems to work correctly. While stalking a deer, you get into position and ready to fire. Finger off the trigger, you reach up and flip the safety from on to off. As soon as the safety lever switches to off, the rifle fires by itself. You've just experienced an accidental discharge. The rifle is one of many that Remington refuses to acknowledge are flawed and dangerous. You attempt to replicate the issue. It takes 15 tries, but you are able to get the rifle to fire without trigger use a second time. In all of these cases, the owner and operated was proper, prudent, careful, and did not act with negligence or disregard. They encountered defective guns that in some cases gave no reason for someone to believe they would fire by themselves next time they were used. I will agree that most unintended discharges are negligent discharges due to the direct fault of the owner or operator. Reholstering with a shirt bunched up in the holster that pulls the trigger as it's pushed into the trigger guard. Pulling the trigger without clearing the gun first. Dropping the gun. Slipping off the hammer while it's partially cocked. Pulling the mag out of an open bolt gun while a live cartridge is hung up and partially chambered, causing the bolt to fly home and fire the stuck cartridge unintentionally. The list goes on and on, but all of those are the direct fault of the person handling the gun. They could have prevented those tragic incidents if they weren't an idiot. TL;DR yes there is such a thing as an accidental discharge. It's not as common as a negligent discharge, but to say that ALL unintended discharges are negligent is demonstrably and objectively false.
You've NEVER been on a hollywood set where others are paid to take care of this shit, where there should NEVER be live rounds, and others were completely negligent in their duties with prop firearms.
My first time commenting on one of your videos Lenny, but a long time viewer. I especially like that you mentioned the victums first. Thank you for saying what everyone needs to hear, even the juror's
Even if you did a standard clear of the firearm the shell on a blank won’t look much different. He probably would have assumed there were blanks in the gun. You’re not expected to know the difference right? The only key difference is, don’t point guns at anyone. Even if there are blanks inside. They should have used movie magic rather than have the gun be pointed at anyone.
@@trentimus5700 dummy rounds don’t have a primer, blanks do but no projectile. You can tell if you are familiar with what you are looking for. If you are handling a gun you have to be responsible enough to know ensure you know what you are handling and how to handle it. His ignorance of the weapon and the rules of gun safety is a huge factor in the accident.
@@trentimus5700 Well, I guess you weren't paying attention. Assume the gun is loaded. double check it before you ACCEPT it. If you don't know how to clear the firearm, before you accept it, ask the "owner" handing it to you how to properly clear it. Better yet, if part of your job or responsibilities includes handling firearms, get training so that you know how to safely handle such firearms; much the same as if you are supposed to drive a vehicle but don't know how.. In the case of dummy rounds, one would need to start with an empty gun, physically examine it and make sure it was empty ( twice is not a bad idea either ), then inspect each round to be of the correct type , and load it. In hollywood, the normal protocol would be 3 people including the actor, the armorer, a director or producer, plus any actors that will be anywhere near where the gun will be pointed. The same protocol would be also true for blank rounds, and if there ever was a reason, for live ammunition as well. At a minimum, 3 people should have been checking to ensure that the gun was empty to begin with ( more likely 4 ). At a minimum, 3 people should have been inspecting EACH round as it was chambered ( loaded )( and more likely 4 ) It's not limited to just the armorer, actors, directors involved, but also includes anyone that would be in the vicinity or direction of aiming- including the camera people, gaffers, whatever. With a REAL firearm, there's no assumptions as to what is being loaded- and the same holds true in real life as well. It's assumed to be loaded- with real ammunition - period. For example, if you load snap caps into your semi or revolver, it's on you to KNOW what is loaded. If you load live ammunition - it's also on you. If Alec is allowed to walk because "I didn't know" or " someone else loaded it" or "I didn't intend on hurting anyone" or "I am not an expert", imagine what will happen when gangbangers or hardened criminals kill someone and then start claiming a variation of the Alec Baldwin defense ?
The fact of the matter is, Alec NEVER would have pointed that gun at himself and pulled the trigger based off the word of his Director, that it was a cold gun.
How many of you "gun people" know the difference between a live round, a dummy round, a squib, and a blank round? How can you tell if the gun is loaded with live rounds or dummy rounds? The fact is, the normal safety rules DO NOT apply on a set and are replaced by an even more stringent set of safety rules and professional standards. If an armorer/propmaster and assistant director give an actor a gun for a scene and the actor removes the rounds, the AD should immediately take the gun and return it to the armorer to verify its status. In fact, it seems that people who should not have been loading the weapons were doing so, which may have played a major role in this tragedy.
Lenny, I'm glad you posted this. The 4 rules of gun safety need to become common knowledge. Those 4 rules are not political. Gun ownership itself isn't political, its universal. In a perfect world we wouldnt need guns at all but we don't live in that world. Americans need 2A and I think more needs to be done to educate the common people about safety and use.
@@lw7238 - Absolutely correct. Most people wouldn't know the difference between a blank, a dummy, and a live round. The whole reason for an armorer being there is so the actor doesn't NEED to know. Also, I think it's more than a little disingenuous to try and force normal gun safety rules on a situation/practice where a gun is REQUIRED to be pointed at people and things that no one intends to shoot/kill/destroy. I'd also go so far to say the armorer for that film should be brought up on negligent homicide charges, at very least, and not allowed to work on another movie production EVER.
@@guarddog318 Thank you, yes I agree the Armorer is at fault. That was her job and she failed. The insurance companies would not want an actor messing with the guns. Actually 2 deaths in 40 years on Hollywood sets is a very low number compared to the real world. 1st day of deer season in the US a few people are killed.
The first two handguns I had access to when I was a kid were a Ruger Blackhawk and a Ruger Single-Six. As you demonstrated, they are harder to verify as empty. But you do the work and take the time because it's faster than a lifetime of regret. Also, I guess I'm not the only one who checks through two full cylinder rotations.
I hardly call it an accident when Alec said right to the director “I’m should shoot you” then pointed the gun at him and fired not during filming. Given alecs history of attacking gun owners, I hope the book is thrown at him.
I don't think he knew the gun was loaded or intended to shoot anyone. He SHOULD have checked, and the law actually says he's responsible to be aware of the condition of a firearm when handling it, and that he is legally responsible for what any bullet leaving a gun in his hand does, so he could at very least be charged with manslaughter, reckless conduct with a firearm, and battery with a deadly weapon.
People don't wanna learn because they are anti gun. It's not that hard to watch a 15 minute youtube video to learn. Firearms are a part of humankind, have been for hundreds of years and will be hundreds more. Might as well learn basic safety just in case.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 The armorer is in charge of setting up the gun and the actor is not to mess around with it. It is not up to the actor to unload the gun and look down the barrel or each cylinder and then check to see if each dummy round is real or not. THAT IS THE ARMOERER's job. The insurance company would have a major problem if the actors were now in charge of checking weapons. Just because gun safety for you and I are correct, doesn't mean that transfers over to ALL situations. And it doesn't.
Sir, what you referred to as a 'blank' is in fact a 'squib' - a powderless cartridge with at least the representation of a projectile and with an inert primer body. Another name for a squib is a 'snap cap'. A 'blank' is a fully-functioning primer with powder that has been crimped at the mouth, or otherwise uses a wad to prevent the powder from pouring out the end of the cartridge. The semantic difference in this case can be fatal. Actors have been killed (TV Show 'Cover-Up') by the ejecta from a blank. But no one has ever been killed by a squib. The failure to use the proper terms consistently, especially amongst those unfamiliar, communicates ambiguity to the person who has received the 'blank' such that they do not know whether they have a visual representation of a bullet without the possibility of hurting anyone, or whether they have a fully functioning cartridge without a projectile that STILL DOES have the potential to harm. With great respect, I would submit that the consistent use of the right term is as important as proper handling of the firearm because failure to do so can produce the same fatal results.
I just found your channel today, and subscribed as a result of earlier videos because I like your demeanor and lack of ego. This video confirmed my decision to subscribe to you even more. No partisan BS and pointing fingers, just a sorrow it happened and using the unfortunate opportunity to teach and bring awareness to those that may not have it already. Thank you Lenny.
If by "accident" you mean it was "unintentional", I tend to agree. But there was extreme negligence, carelessness, recklessness, and just plain stupidity involved. Certainly enough for criminal charges. I am 62, and have been shooting guns since age 8. I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps and 3 years as a sheriffs deputy. I qualified as both rifle expert and pistol expert in the Marines. I have participated in cowboy action shooting, as well as old west shows with the Arizona Ghostriders using real guns loaded with blank cartridges. Every single time, every gun was checked by both the actor and propmaster. I have fired countless thousands of rounds from hundreds of different guns during my life. I have NEVER had a negligent discharge. And NO, that does not mean that I think I am so good I don't need to be careful any more. Anyone with that attitude needs to stay FAR away from guns. Alec Baldwin broke every rule in the book. He did not check the gun after he received it (yes, I'm sure he'll say that he paid someone else to do that) But IMO anyway, any actor who uses a gun in a movie, tv show, or live action, should know enough about the gun to be able to check it themselves. As the last one to handle the gun, Baldwin was the last chance to prevent this tragedy, and he failed big time. Then he apparently actually pointed the gun at a human being, cocked the hammer, and pulled the trigger. You NEVER point a gun at ANYONE unless you are prepared to shoot them. Even if you have checked it and know it is empty. During making movies, tv shows, and in live action shows, with a gun KNOWN by the person using it to have blanks in it, it is still never pointed directly at a person. It is pointed at least 2-3 feet away from the actor. This is undetectable by anyone watching the movie, tv show, or live action show. Baldwin should have received instruction on how to handle a gun. Maybe he did, and ignored it. But the fact that he discharged a gun at all while not actually filming is in itself inexcusable
My guess as to why he's so anti-gun is that he's projecting his own irresponsible attitude about guns on everyone. He assumes everyone is as reckless as he is. And I agree. In a fair world, Baldwin would be in jail awaiting trial for involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide, reckless conduct with a firearm, and aggravated battery or battery with a deadly weapon. And he would probably get a good 10-15 years in prison if convicted on all counts, if he were an average Joe like you or me. But he's rich and famous, so he probably won't face any consequences. "Rules for thee but not for me."
Sorry fella. I posted a bit of what you had already said without seeing your post but in any case totally agree with everything you said. I used to instruct as a range officer at my local club and all newbies were instructed with different types of weapons before they ever touched a live round. Still had fools waving loaded ones about even after that. People are dumb.
If film makers insist on realism in their movies, they need to follow all of the safety procedures mentioned in this thread. Additionally, the Rust cinematographer and assistant director should have been wearing a Kevlar helmet plate armor while standing behind bulletproof plexiglass.
Alex Balwin is an actor. He's not a former soldier in the Marine Corp. (much respect), not a former sheriff, not a gun buff or someone who's been shooting for 54 years. My guess is he trusted and relied upon the propmaster and others on the set to exercise extreme care to see that he (Baldwin) was not handed a gun with a live round in it. Meaning he relied on the paid professionals who are experts in gun use. Maybe he got some gun training (and disregarded it) and maybe he did not, at this point we do not know. The person who "broke every rule in the book" does not appear to me to be Baldwin, but whoever put a live round in a real gun and told Baldwin "you're good to go". In legal terms, I believe the duty to exercise reasonable care to everyone on the set is a duty that primary flowed from the gun experts on the set, which clearly was not Baldwin. Baldwin was stupid to point a gun at anyone, but actors are paid to point guns at people. The guns are supposed to be safe. Negligence is a call to be made by an informed jury, not by those of us with political axes to grind.
A note. According to Baldwins talking heads he didn't purposely aim the gun at anyone. He made the mistake of not knowing your backstop. The lawyers say that he pointed the firearm at a set wall and the shot went through the flimsy wall and then into the people. So yeah its yet another basic rule that was blatantly ignored.
If he has been in 2 movies where he had to fire guns and wasn’t taught this in either of those either, he still wouldn’t know. I know a lot of people who agree that it makes sense to always check a gun, but didn’t know it.
@@chillios2222 even if the cylinder was opened and he checked, would he have known the difference between dummy rounds made to look real and an actual real one?
100%....... he's screwed!! from refusing basic gun saftey course / not checking the gun all the way to being the producer of the production so is where the buck stops on set. When he got leagal advice they should have told him to keep quiet but instead he came out with that BS that he didn't have his finger on the trigger in America where 75% of people know guns well enough to say he's talking shit.
thank you for being honest about having an accidental discharge -- no one is perfect. i think that those who HAVE made a mistake are more likely to be even more cautious than someone whose never made one and takes it for granted.
Me too. I don't even live in the USA. Still found this an excellent video and I agree with everything said. Highly unlikely but if I ever came in contact with a firearm in my lifetime I would follow all of these essential rules.
Lenny, I applaud your efforts to educate shooters but noticed one glaring error. There are nearly 2,000 comments and I just can’t read them all, so if this was pointed out already, I apologize. You referred to a round as a BLANK and said it may have a hole drilled in the side to show it has no powder. These rounds with no powder but have a bullet pressed into the casing so as to appear just like a live round are typically referred to as a DUMMY round. They are loaded into a gun belt that might have loops, or actually loaded in the Colt SA to appear when viewed from the loud side by a camera to have a loaded cylinder. A BLANK is a round loaded by a professional armorer with gunpowder and a wad of some type. A BLANK goes bang but if prepared properly does not have anything but a soft wad expelled from the barrel. So, a DUMMY round has a real bullet installed but can’t go bang due to no powder or live primer. Just for show. A BLANK will look very different as there will be no bullet installed, just a wad stuffed into the casing to retain the powder. This round will have a live primer to ignite the powder giving the impression the gun just fired. That is my understanding of the proper terms for these two movie rounds.
@@scotts2565 Yes Scott, a primer alone would make a noise. You maybe could call it a bang. But do you honestly think a primer alone would accurately mimic all the elements of a real Colt 45 round being fired? The recoil, smoke, muzzle flash, and a bang hearty enough to convince you that what you are seeing and hearing is a real round. Ain’t gunna happen with a primer alone. And guess what……..to get a realistic shot of somebody shooting a gun at you….it’s dangerous. You need professional stunt people, an armorer that knows their profession well and sees to it that safety MUST come first, and a producer who is willing to let the professionals they hired to run the set each and every time any weapons are involved in a scene. No excuses. Baldwin’s mistake was hiring the cheapest armorer he could find. In order for tragedies of this magnitude to occur, it often takes a series of errors aligning perfectly. I think that’s what happened here. A producer who’s primary goal was to keep costs to a minimum. An extremely inexperienced armorer with little regard for safety. An assistant director who was just a Baldwin yes man. And maybe somebody who got pissed off about something and brought live rounds on the set. Mr. Baldwin is a far left wing Hollywood Democrat who has about zero gun skills, knowledge, or basic safety habits. And that and his primary concern to get his film in the can under budget caused the death of his friend, who was a mother and a wife. That Mr Scott is an ending we both can agree…………….was truly a tragedy.
There is no such thing as an "accidental" shooting. The range starts at negligent shooting and ends at intentional shooting for anyone who is supposedly an adult. If you have the gun in your hand you are responsible for anything that happens.
So, there's a famous video of someone on a Pistol comp, whose Firearm experiences a malfunction as he's cocking it - would you not consider that an Accidental discharge, since there was nothing negligent about it (pointed at safe direction, finger off trigger, followed RSO instruction)
@@MajesticDemonLordNot what we are talking about. All the same congrats you figured out a very specific situation that was still probably the person's fault. Mechanical failure comes in a few flavors: Worn out weapon. Modified weapon. Improperly assembled weapon. Obsolete design. The last just purely a bad luck situation with a part failure is the tiniest sliver of a situation where they are not 100% at fault. More like 90%. In the end if the Firearm is in your hand, you are still responsible. You have to live with the consequences. The only thing that saved the day was proper procedure so the only thing they had to live with was embarrassment. Too bad old Alec didn't follow it.
@@GeoFry3 As well, if it goes off and someone gets hit, regardless of whether it was any fault of yours - say someone handed it to you and assured you it was brand new, unmodified, safety tested, and then somehow miraculously it goes off when you're cocking it, it's still your fault if you were pointing a weapon (loaded or not) at another human being at any point because even when you think it's safe you shouldn't point it at someone. If it's an accidental discharge where the round goes into the dirt, it's possible for the overall outcome not to be your fault if the weapon is extremely malfunctioning and you were told it was checked etc but the moment you are pointing it at someone you are violating safety rules entirely and the outcome of violating safety rules is on you. I think this case is different (assuming that Alec Baldwin didn't shoot and had good reason to believe it was safe) because in the context of a film it can be a necessary part of the process, but at that point they should be using replica firearms and special effects, nowadays it can look so good you wouldn't notice and would sidestep the inherent safety issues with using them in film. Hell, if I were doing this movie, I would've gotten a camera rig so that nobody would be in the way because even if the plan was to shoot a blank you don't want to be that close to it.
I got to see Lenny Magill the Glock store in Nashville today. Pretty cool! They have a very nice facility there with great staff. I will definitely be back.
And pointed a gun at the director and pulled the trigger on purpose..... Even if it's an accident, he's in jail for manslaughter for killing the woman right!??? NO EXCUSES
Thanks Lenny for doing this it’s not anything to be careless with tragedies like this should never happen and he was the driver and there are con quinces to bad judgement
I have a friend that told me about a time that he was cleaning his 1911. He had just finished putting it back together after cleaning it and had the slide locked back and was about to oil it up and dropped it on his bed as he reached for the oil to apply it but he watched it as a live round rolled because of the depression the gun was making in the bed it rolled right into the open breach of the gun. If he had not been watching it happen he would never have known that the gun was loaded. It was a one in a million thing I remember that every time I clean my gun I have had a concealed carry permit for the past thirty years now and I have never had a accident with any gun I own. But I don’t take a gun for granted I was taught better by my family but I rarely have to use my gun. Because it stays in the holster until I want to shoot something if I draw it I already have made up my mind
A rule of firearm safety is always, without exception, treat all firearms as being loaded, even when they aren’t. Check and double check the gun for live rounds. Don’t point the gun at anything you are not prepared to shoot.
Well, good luck with your acting career with rules like that. Actors habitually point guns or guns-like apparatuses at other people, sometimes even themselves.
The problem is that Alec Baldwin is an anti gun activist, so he's not interested in listening to safety protocols, and we know it because this would never had happened if he was.
Also explain to the jurors that guns don't just "go off" by themselves. (He is claiming he didn't pull the trigger).. Really? Ok how does that work exactly?
Excellent lesson on handling a gun! I also believe that everyone should learn and know these principles (even if you don't like guns). But from a background as a RSO for the State division for 9 years and having worked on the set on several major motion pictures and TV several years, I often have found myself keeping an eye on or helping people that are inexperienced, often first time shooters to learn to be safe and keep myself safe. Even on a set you can't assume that anyone has knowledge or experience handling guns. That is why it IS the responsibility of the armorer and/or prop-master to be there and perform the roll of an RSO to ensure safe gun handling on the set. The first assistant director is responsible for the overall safety on the set. It is a good idea for everyone to seek out a qualified gun range and be taught how to handle a gun - even if you don't like them.
The tact and professionality with which you handled this situation was really great to see. The situation totally sucks and, as you mentioned, I don't think anyone believes Baldwin intended to kill someone. But, when you pair anti-gun Hollywood types with real guns, there HAS TO BE some sort of gun safety training. I think that this tragedy makes that fact abundantly clear. You can hate cars, but if you intend to drive one, you better know how the accelerator works. Baldwin is not my favorite by a long shot, but I do feel for him. He will live with this for the rest of his life. As I said, a sucky situation through and through.
What about the family of that lady he killed. They will always remember that day. I have more sympathy for this family than for this overpaid nincompoop!
I wouldn’t be so sure that Baldwin had never been trained. I am seldom around firearms in recent years but in the years when I saw plenty accidents and near accidents.
@@jan22150 It goes without saying that we grieve for the families. It's not a contest - I was simply acknowledging that accidentally killing someone will cause long-term mental issues.
How many times since this incidence do you imagine Baldwin has been told “ Shut the F up!” ? No chats with reporter…. No interviews. He has no impulse control. He’s not 100% stupid, he can’t control himself . He may well have been able to train someone gun safety ten minutes before this incident and still be unable to control his need to show off, be the star…. Watch my quick draw….. forget checking if its unloaded… is the trigger touchy.. hard to pull… F that watch this..
@@dimbulb23 Hey man, I acknowledge that it was ignorant of me to ignore mentioning the pain of the families and the victim themselves. It was not intended. The point of my post was largely to highlight the lack of gun safety training in Hollywood. Take Keanu Reeves for example: He spent weeks with Taran Tactical learning gun safety and how to operate the firearms he used. I'm sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way. I assure you, I grieve for her family and for her. She should have never lost her life to such negligence. I just thought that Mr. Magill was really matter-of-fact about the issue and I congratulated because I feel a lot of firearms enthusiasts are ignoring the mental anguish it will effect on Baldwin. Baldwin is distinctly anti-gun in a way that not all Hollywood actors are. I feel that his point of view impacted his safety training. But, while he was in the driver's seat, he was not the only person responsible for this accident. There should NEVER have been live ammo on the set. But as Magill states, he was solely responsible for checking the chamber. We're on the same page. I just feel we should also acknowledge the pain Baldwin must feel due to his outright ignorance. I hope you understand.
Maybe it wasn't live. Maybe it was a bullet from a dummy round lodged or loose in the barrel, followed by a blank that has powder and a charge. These accidents don't happen with semis on movie sets because they don't need to use dummy rounds because you can see the bullets in the mag. Old revolvers you see each bullet being loaded.... Now if they were doing a continuous shot(no cuts or edits) of an old western gunfight... They need to show the revolver being loaded with ammo that looks real(exposed bullet) followed by the use of a blank to simulate firing the gun all without stopping the film ..... Yeah...it's difficult and dangerous
@@wannabecarguy I don’t handle guns so I doubt anyone would listen to my advice on handling them, but I find the details of how various guns work very interesting.
Wholeheartedly agree however there is always an exception to the rule whereby if someone is not competent to check a firearm safely (there are many makes and models) and many levels of mental capacity there should have been a mandatory safe handling course for anyone on that set that handled a firearm. It's not hard to spend an hour or two being taught how a particular firearm operates. Baldwin has been in plenty of movies with guns. He should have known better!
I totally agree. If you don't point at something you don't shoot that something. If you are going to play or practice with a gun, don't be within 3 feet of people.
The armorer is the on responsible for setting up the guns for each shoot. The actors are not to check the gun or open it up. That is the armorers job. You don't want 7 guns on a set and have all 7 actors opening up the guns and checking them out, that would open up more liability and a greater chance of a mistake or problem. HENCE THE REASON FOR THE ARMORER.
I'm sure, as in every case, there are details we don't know or will maybe never know. What we do know and I agree with you Barearmz, there was a professional armorer hired for the safe handling of firearms while on set. I don't think this makes Baldwin less guilty, he still pulled the trigger. It makes the armorer, as a trained & hired professional, equally as guilty as Baldwin. To Baldwin - ignorance & elitism is no excuse for the law!
@@robs2536 Baldwin will not be charged, watch and learn and it won't be because of ignorance or elitism. Baldwin will be in lawsuits but not criminal charges.
Thanks for reminding everyone that everyone is responsible for their actions! I see so many videos where kids aim loaded guns at the camera or fire automatic Glocks without looking at their background and their eyes squint and the muzzle lifts out of their control! I’m all for the 2nd amendment but people need to be responsible and show skill before being allowed to legally own a gun.
@@hudsondonnell444 and criminals don’t take classes to carry concealed or learn how to properly use a gun which is why I said people need to show skill before being allowed to legally own a gun. People can train with a gun in class without owning one and once they show they can properly handle it then they can get a license to buy one. It’s a right but it’s a responsibility too.
Let me say this about that. Lenny your hand gun etiquette video was one of if not the first thing I watched after purchasing my first Glock G45. I took it to heart. I believe that Alec should step up and take responsibility for his actions. He is no better than any other person who owns and shoots firearms.
Hell, even if it's a "toy" gun, it should be handled like a live firearm. People have lost eyes and teeth to paintball and airsoft guns just as easily as a person can lose their lives to a real gun. I've even seen a nerf gun hurt a little kid's eye to the point he needed a hospital. Even if it's a gun shaped brick of plastic, you should STILL treat it as if it's a real firearm, period. It's just a good practice to have, but idiots keep arguing online about it being a "prop gun", which is absolutely irrelevant.
Before this gets swept under the rug I believe we have a right to know whose fingerprints were on the deadly round. Was the shell casing wiped of fingerprints before it was put in the gun or are there fingerprints on the casing and if so whose fingerprints? I smell a rat. Fingerprints or absence there of could tell us a lot. Was the deadly round intentionally placed in the weapon or is this really an accident. I am very suspicious.
My Dad taught me when I was 10 years old , a gun is always Loaded, never point a gun at anything you don’t want to destroy, he taught me respect, responsibilities and the finger never on the trigger until you’re ready to shoot and always know what you’re shooting at. He taught me to love target shooting, and reloading
After the Baldwin shooting, I searched TH-cam for videos about firearm safety and found a video of yours. It told me what I already knew. Whoever picks up the gun has the duty to ensure it is unloaded.
Fantastic Video, thanks for creating and posting. I shared this with my son, we all need to be reminded of the proper handling of a firearm. We can't be too cautious, or become complacent.
Will Alec Baldwin face jail time?
Not sure...but his career is DONE for sure :)
He'll get off...Hollywood elite
It's possible but I find it doubtful.
Nope. Possibly a negligence lawsuit, although that lawsuit might be better directed at others involved with Rust. An actor handed a gun by assistant director who grabbed it from a prop cart pre-prepared by the set expert, has a fairly cast iron defence that he is an actor not a gun handler so any discharge at all, whether he pulled the trigger or not would be viewed accidental due to the fact others were responsible for loading and checking. The interview was a mistake, he should have just kept quiet. People won't stop talking if you keep showing up.
Nope
I had a little boy living next door a few years ago. He would play with toy guns all the time. He came up and asked me if I wanted to see his gun. As a gun enthusiast I said "Heck yeah I wanna see your gun" and just out of muscle memory, I act as if I'm checking for rounds and do my safety checks. My neighbor asked what I was doing and I explained to him anytime I pick up a firearm I always safety check it as that's what I was taught in the military and have always done no matter what. This little boy thought it was so cool that he eventually started mimicking me and safety checking that little toy gun all the time. That put a smile on my face.
internet handshake sir
You have no idea the lives you might have saved, just by teaching him that as a game (game for the boy)
Hell to the yeah, good on you for imparting these lessons. As much as I would love to own firearms each time I watch channels like Demolition Ranch and Kentucky Ballistics I realize how ignorant I am on these kinds of matters.
I mean, if Im handed an airsoft or paintball gun, or hell any thing that fires any projectile, I wanna know if its loaded
I DO BELIEVE 'EDDY EAGLE' SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL! EDUCATION CAN ONLY KEEP US SAFE!
This is exactly what’s needed for everyone to hear. Doesn’t matter if you are brand new to firearms or an instructor. You put it professionally and logically perfect Lenny, thank you.
Like the prosecutor in The Rittenhouse case just yesterday aimed in AR-15 in the faces of everybody in the courtroom and placed his finger on the trigger 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@atozproductions9660 Ya that was horrible.
I totally agree. I used to visit an indoor range, here in the UK. A friend and myself, just arrived one evening in the 1980s, to find the place was alive with people all standing outside talking. One of the range safety officers, had just been took to Hospital after shooting himself in the Foot, with a single shot .22lr Target pistol. It can easily happen if safety protocol, breaks down.
That's not how it has ever worked on movie sets. That is the job of the armorer and safety lead. Trying to put this on Baldwin is BS. He wasn't at a range or out plinking. This was supposed to be a prop gun.
@@mountainmantn So it's no wonder how this happened. "It's always someone else's responsibility". Well how did that work out?
Wow dude, did you not listen to one word the man said?
F#cking amazing!
Really respect the fact that Lenny actually admitted to having his own ND...shows the humility and honesty that lend credibility to whatever a person has to say. Kudos!
Totally agree! Took balls to admit that to the whole world and I give him respect for doing so. Especially for such a serious topic.
I totally agree that's a very hard thing to admit when it's not necessary to do so very honest and informative for folks not aware of gun safety and how it can happen to even the most safe of individuals. Your wording of ND I think will be something a lot more will be familiar with as this incident gets to trial. Baldwin states that he pulled the hammer back and let it go and the gun went off without him pulling the trigger. It seems his lawyer has instructed him to claim an AD and accidentally discharge so that he can claim no negligence probably shifting blame to the gun.
Right my old firearms instructor/gun dealer has always told me "You WILL have a negligent discharge, anyone who claims to never had an ND is a fucking liar. But when it does happen to you at least make sure you were obeying the other 2 rules of gun safety and you'll be fine, it will scare the shit out of you but if it's pointed in a safe direction and there is nowhere for it to go except into something solid that will catch it, you will be fine." He also had a clearing barrel in his shop so if anyone needed to present a firearm they were selling or submitting for repair he had them clear it in the barrel first than he did it in front of us.
@@JustinLaFleur1990 you’re right. I’ve had 2. Don’t ever want another one, but safety rule #1 saved the day both times. First one is a mystery to this day. Second one was totally MY fault. Violated 2 rules, bad thing happened. Fortunately didn’t violate my #1… muzzle direction!
@@SRVandDtrouble Baldwin now says he didn't touch anything and the gun fired on its own
This is the MOST non-judgmental, MOST educational, review of the events of what happened on Alec Baldwin’s movie set.
Awesome video. You are a great teacher. Well done.
i was just about the write the same thing...
Agree..unlike most of the comments on here
I am an experienced shooter and I appreciate your thorough and concise explanation of the single action revolver used in this tragedy. Much better explanation than I have seen from our news media. Also, your insistence and instruction on redundant safety checks when receiving a gun from somebody else who is "certain" that it is a "cold gun" cannot be said too many times. Thank you.
We need to outlaw these dangerous fully semi automatic weapons of war
@@Tekner436 You're a little off topic there, aren't ya? I was commenting on single action revolvers. By the way, "weapons of war" are capable of full automatic fire and they are not simply limited to semi auto operation.
If a person has ever told me that a gun was empty or "cold" when they handed it to me, I have always checked it myself. This was drilled into me by the Cub Scouts, and then further reiterated by the boy scouts. Fun fact, I was at summer camp in my final weeks as a boy scout, and it was civil war camp, where I and the other provosts were issued an 1861 springfield that we carried most of the time. We also fired a blank most mornings as a wake up for the back packers that were there just for the afternoon before and that morning (they went camp to camp). One morning, we did this like normal, and as there is no bullet, there is no kick. We continued throughout the rest of the day like normal, until we got to the shooting range, where us three provosts were going through the dry motions for loading when I noticed my ramrod was higher out of the barrel than it should have been and informed the range master that my rifle was loaded with powder. We had not realized the powder had not gone off. However, throughout that entire time, I had treated the rifle like normal, as if it was loaded and ready to fire at any moment, and always had it pointed in a safe direction. But yeah, that moment made it so I will even treat guns _I_ think are clear fully as if they are loaded, because you never want one whoops to mean someone is dead.
@@Jeremiah90526 Very sensible attitude to have. You can't always take someone's word for it. Best to know for yourself.
Well to be honest on regular TV they have 3 minutes before they lose viewers so they have to fill the rest with low mental engagement blathering
FACT I am one of Lenny Magill's biggest fans. I have watched almost everyone of his videos over the years and the number one reason that I like Mr. Magill is his CONSTANT Diligence regarding firearms safety.
This is True 🤙
And yet he shot his desk lol 😂
Thats the dude who shot is desk...
@@carlitosur7949 Better the desk than someone. Kept it pointed in a safe direction.
Who is mr magill?
I stand behind Alec. I'd have to be crazy to stand in front of him.
🤣🤣🤣
I would stand behind him too but not as close.
Bubba will stand behind him in prison.
@@colliswilliams8992 He's too rich and famous to go to prison.
Nice 🤣
Lenny has been in the Gun community for decades & openly shares his wealth of Knowledge in firearms & Gun Saftey. Thank you Lenny. God Bless.
I like Lenny but he has no Idea what he is talking about when it comes to filming with firearms. checking the gun would have done nothing the gun hand 5 dummy rounds and 1 live round in it dummy's look just like real rounds Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger multiple times before the live round discharged.
And For Baldwin to say,: 'I have No guilt' Says volumes about his character. No matter the circumstances,He killed a mother,someone's daughter, grandchild..
Despicable human.
That's fucked up, what a psychopath
He has ALWAYS been a sorry bastard.
The way this guy yelled at his 12 year old daughter ,the way he beat up that man who stole his parking spot and the way he acted on that airplane when he was refused to board it and the many times he had encounters with the police.
This guy is a lunatic.
I'm sure his lawyer prepped him on that. Don'y say you feel guilty though I would have chosen not to do an interview.
Your MAGA anger at his Trump portrayals on SNL is showing.
Seen a lot of these videos....this is the best one. Sticks to the facts, sticks to safety, and well executed and explained. Thanks Lenny!
Lessons of the day: always treat your firearm as if it’s loaded. And guns don’t kill people, people kill people. As always thanks for the knowledge and tips Lenny
True. However, on a Production Movie Set, it’s Not his firearm. The firearms belong to the Prop Department - maintained and safety checked by an Armorer.
Don’t confuse private gun ownership and it’s protocol with this scenario.
Why not just fire all the Armorers and the Prop Department.. and have the Actors safety and maintain the firearms?😂. Absurd, right?! That’s my point.!
*Sig P320 enters the chat*
@@m4rvinmartian that’s my next purchase or a Smith & Wesson TR8 revolver. Still contemplating 😮💨
@@INPLAINSIGHT9 It should definitely be the P320. That modular biz is pretty tight. 3+ handguns, one serial. Just change the frame.
@@m4rvinmartian Good to know! I’ve seen a lot of talk about it online lately but am yet to get my hands on one personally or put some rounds down range. Seems like a pretty nice piece especially when compared to the Glock platform
I've been around guns for nearly 40 years now. Did time in the Army and became a PO as a career. Retired now and still enjoy the latest and greatest handguns and rifles. I am man enough to say that if you handed me that old colt, I would not accept it till you showed me how to clear it and check for it's safety. I simply did not know the functions of that firearm (although now I do). Others will never admit that in public because they might feel embarrassed to say it. That's a problem.
You also can half cock it, open loading gate, push cylinder pin in, then slide cylinder rod fwd. Then remove entire cylinder for inspection
@P N No, too many people handling a prop gun, it should only be handled by the armorer and the actor, period.
Well said man!
Thank you. No ranting or punditry, just useful and accurate information that is relevant and productive
Thank you Lenny! Everyone needs to be refreshed in gun safety! My Dad taught me 60 years ago about it and I hold true to it today, but your refresher will reinforce it for me again!
Even when I pick up a drill, my trigger finger is "high on the frame" and I always "point it in a safe direction". Build your good gun habits wherever you can! Perfect way for your kids to learn, too!
Gun Education. There's a lack of it in our country today, and that can contribute to the fear of firearms as well. It's sad. Thank you for this video!
I remember in a safety course I took many years ago the instructor handed out a set mousetrap and said "Treat this like you would a loaded firearm". Finally 1/2 way through the class someone said "unload it first". That was the winning answer!
The one thing I have always love and respected about you Lenny you have always put safety first, not trying veiws first.
One of things I always stress in all my firearm classes (CCW, pistol, or rifle) is "ignorance is not bliss" when it comes to firearms. You are always responsible when handling firearms. Like what Mr. Magill is saying, when you are handing a gun you are the designated driver.
If you have novice comes into a gun range for some casual shooting who is ultimately responsible for the safety of everyone? The novice or the range officer?
Before I got my gun RPAL I was required to take a safety course (Canada its a must) and I can tell you I didn't know shit about gun safety beyond what they show in movies. Trigger discipline, pointing in the safe direction, clearing the gun was all taught to me in that course.
Lenny, you struck the perfect tone; thank you for performing this important public service.
I do have one objection. You said "Blank," when you were describing a "Dummy" round - hole in the case with no powder. A Blank & a Dummy are two different items. A Dummy is inert. A Blank has a primer and gun powder with no bullet. You know that, I'm sure it was just a slip of the tongue but some may not have caught it. Good job!
He's supposed to be a expert? He's not supposed to make that kind of mistake!
Baldwin was not an expert! Maybe not even a gun enthusiast!
@@charlesclark9627 Ya think? Baldwin is an arrogant negligent ___________!!!
@@charlesclark9627 He was too busy mocking Trump rather than educating himself…
@@rdizzo1313 nope, too busy brown noseing Trump, maybe! An ignorant asshole is an ignorant asshole whatever their politics!
The person pulling the trigger is ultimately the person responsible for the safety of the firearm!
WRONG.
Ultimately whoever was paid to load it with blanks fucked up
@@MIK3ISME agreed, they fucked up. But, the person pulling the trigger is responsible for what happens after.
@@lw7238 I hope you don’t own any firearms
@@acebaker2001 Intention was to shoot the gun in the direction of other actors who knew the gun was going to fire a BLANK! It's like a lying spouse that says they're on birth control.
It wasn't an accident. Baldwin is responsible
A very accurate statement, sir.
I was taught/trained that any “inadvertent “ discharge of a firearm was a negligent discharge, not an accidental discharge…
That is correct!
In the great words of Red from Shawshank Redemption, "That's GD Right?" No such thing as an accidental discharge!
Great explanations.
Alec Baldwin said the gun fired when he released the hammer. So it means he had his finger on the trigger the whole time, because that's the only way to release the hammer. If only he had done at least ONE of your recommended advice (which is actually the norm to follow in movie sets), either checking for the ammo, or not putting his finger in the trigger chamber or not aiming at anyone, then Halyna would still be alive.
Yes you can see him firmly holding the trigger as he did his practice draws. He talked like an idiot don't a game interview and there video of him holding the trigger. He's going to jail
Lenny, I watch a lot of your videos and appreciate them but this video takes the cake…I Love It! Your respect for the person involved, your detailing of procedures, your identifying of failure points, your emphasis on safety and PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and last your honest statement that most of us if not all of use who handle guns on a daily basis have had or will have an incident some day. Even this you counter addressed repercussion by emphasizing safety “don’t ever point at what your not going to intentionally shoot” (my quote not yours but your message). As for the rest of your videos, they are always informative, concise and well articulated. Thanks for all, 3WarVet
Brilliant Lenny .... I'm glad you are not defending the actor.... but explaining the PROBLEM..if children had firearms training in middle school or high school this world 🌎 would be a MUCH SAFER PLACE FOR ALL OF US...
Alec's father was a high school rifle team coach.
Your best ever and so honest .
Prayers for the victims of such negligence .
Finally an Alec Baldwin video that clearly demonstrates how to clear a similar type gun used on the set. Also clear explanation as to what should have happened on the set of "Rust." Thank you for this.
Should have happened............not
Should of happened.
@@dennisduran8500 good catch…. That one is harder to ID.
Except Baldwin like other actors aren't suppose to do ANYTHING to the gun ,once handed to them.
@@monotech20.14 I'll take George Clooney's word over yours: "Every single time I'm handed a gun on set, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I'm pointing it to, we show it to the crew, every single take you hand it back to the armour when you're done, and you do it again. Everyone does it."
I can't help but wonder if this whole thing was planned so the left can show people how guns are just too dangerous for people to own. I'm sorry for those who died but democrats don't care about the lives of people, if they did there would be no abortion.
From military training: never point rifle/gun toward anybody, except you want to shoot him. No matters if empty/loaded/safe on or off. Never.
A professional shootist told me that the most dangerous person around a gun is the guy who thinks it can't go off accidentally. Assume every gun has a hair trigger and is fully loaded and treat it as such until you know otherwise and never, ever point it at anything you don't want to kill or destroy.
@@joer8854 I was sniper, we had really hair triggers in our bolt action rifles. Always carried with empty chamber, and loaded just before shoot.
Doesn't really work on a movieset does it.
Thanks Lenny. I value your opinion and I’m glad you addressed this tragic event.
Can you tell the Rittenhouse prosecutor to keep his flipping finger off the bangy and not point the AR at the Jury?
Alec was told it was clear, not loaded, whatever term they use on set BUT it was still his responsibility to visually inspect it. If a gun store clerk hands me a firearm that I want to check out I hope they visually inspect the chamber before handing it to me then I do the same thing with it pointed in a safe direction.
I always check before handing it back as well with the slide locked back or the cylinder open. Just force of habit.
If I'm just handed a firearm and just told "it's unloaded bro". Bruh. Imma check. It's common sense. That's how these things happen. Apparently it passed 3 hands before getting to Baldwin. So 4 people neglected to check the cylinder. My God bro. It's not hard lol. I'm frustrated now.
A gun store clerk and an armorer are two different things. Clearly the Glockstore guy has the same problem distinguishing the responsibility of the revolver.
I saw that as well. If I would have been on that jury, I would have called him out on that immediately. Even if it would have meant me being removed. HEY!!.... DON'T POINT THAT GUN TOWARD ME!! What the hell are you doing? You got your finger on the trigger too!
Imagine the field day that the Press would have with that. Especially after the Alec Baldwin (Cold Gun) incident.
The prosecutor did that knowing it would intimidate the jury, and hoping they would vote guilty. It was a cheap negligent tactic.
It's kind of ironic how anti-gunners don't know anything about gun safety. You'd think they'd learn the safety basics before spouting about with their wokeness, but alas they do not, and people die because of it. Ironic. Even my 12, 15, and 18 year olds have the safety basics down pat. Ironic.
Lenny, you have TOP TIER quality advice. I’ve seen many gun related yt videos and you are always on point with your expertise on this subject. I would advise anyone to watch your videos on grip, training, safety, etc. Always the best source. If you started creating more content on range safety, gun reviews, gun mods, literally anything I can guarantee this yt audience would greatly appreciate all of that.
Yes exactly. The only part of a gun that scares me is the person holding it.
Lenny thank you for this video and for being honest about an accidental discharge you had. I had an accidental discharge on a Deer hunt in New Hampshire. It was day five of the hunt, I was overtired and I got to my spot where I wanted to hunt. I had bulky gloves on due to the extreme cold temps, and unbeknownst to me I had move the safety to the fire position. Thankfully the other inherent safety rules I followed kept me from harming myself or anyone else, as the gun was pointed at the ground. A very valuable lesson I learned that morning. You are never to old or handled enough firearms to stop following the rules of gun safety.
I’ve NEVER had a negligent discharge. There is no such thing as “accidental”. You were negligent if the gun went off unexpectedly.
I've never had one either. I think it would be fair to say that about 90% of all accidents are from negligence. Mostly when people are involved.
Not really. If the gun is faulty or malfunctioning and it discharges without pulling the trigger that is an accident and not negligence.
There are in fact, "accidental" discharges. Those occur when unforeseeable equipment or ammunition malfunctions happen that were beyond the operator's reasonable and practical control.
Example #1: You are on the firing line. You insert a loaded magazine into your old semiauto handgun and chamber a round. This semiauto has a very high round count at the time, but it has always functioned correctly. As the slide slams forward and locks into battery with a live round, the sear claw (which is very worn and has now begun rounding off) slips off the shelf and fails to maintain control of the hammer. The hammer falls as if the trigger had just been pulled, and the cartridge is fired. The sear is marginally serviceable and just starting to fail, so upon the action cycling, the sear manages to capture and hold the hammer that time, preventing a runaway. You've just experienced an accidental discharge. You were not negligent. The gun broke and you were not able to anticipate that. If you were following the 5 rules of safety, this would do nothing more than scare you and prompt immediate inspection and repair of the gun. A very similar situation may happen to you with new guns too, such as if you own a S&W Shield EZ that has been recalled due to having cracked hammers which fail to engage the sear properly. M&P Shield EZ pistols (including Performance Center models) manufactured between March 1, 2020 and October 31, 2020 are currently being recalled for the potential risk of accidental discharges.
Example #2: You buy a brand new SKS packed in cosmoline. You get it home, detail strip it, and clean all the muck off with mineral spirits. Although you did a good job of getting the rifle quite clean and back in shooting condition, there was a small bit of very very stubborn crud in the firing pin channel of the bolt that did not come out all the way when you cleaned the channel. You take the rifle to the range, push in a clip of 10 rounds, and let the bolt fly home. The bit of crud had captured the floating firing pin in the forward position without your knowledge. The bolt flies home, chambering a cartridge, and immediately fires it as if it was an open bolt machine gun. It's only a small bit of crud, so it fires a 2 round burst and then stops. You've experienced 2 accidental discharges. You unload the rifle and once at home, you inspect the firing pin channel and see the very small bit of crud that caused the malfunction. You chuck a bronze bore brush in a drill and go at it, scrubbing that spot out and making the firing pin channel nice and smooth, after which you never have an accidental discharge again.
Example #3: You buy a CZ-52 handgun and own it for many years. The decocker is known to be fragile and unreliable. Yours however, passed the occasional inspection and function tests over the years so you've come to believe that it's likely functional and in spec. You won't rely on it to save a life or limb, but you're trusting enough to think it won't fire the gun when you decock it in a safe direction. One day you decock it pointed at the backstop at the range, and it fires. The decocker assembly had worn just enough as to make it unsafe and able to fire once in a blue moon, as many CZ-52s often experience. Until then, it proved itself to be one of the functional ones. By now, it had worn and become one of the untrustworthy ones that needs repair. You've experienced an accidental discharge.
Example #4: You buy a Remington 700 rifle and take it to the range to sight it in. You get it dialed in and all ready to go deer hunting next week. You function test the safety and it seems to work correctly. While stalking a deer, you get into position and ready to fire. Finger off the trigger, you reach up and flip the safety from on to off. As soon as the safety lever switches to off, the rifle fires by itself. You've just experienced an accidental discharge. The rifle is one of many that Remington refuses to acknowledge are flawed and dangerous. You attempt to replicate the issue. It takes 15 tries, but you are able to get the rifle to fire without trigger use a second time.
In all of these cases, the owner and operated was proper, prudent, careful, and did not act with negligence or disregard. They encountered defective guns that in some cases gave no reason for someone to believe they would fire by themselves next time they were used. I will agree that most unintended discharges are negligent discharges due to the direct fault of the owner or operator. Reholstering with a shirt bunched up in the holster that pulls the trigger as it's pushed into the trigger guard. Pulling the trigger without clearing the gun first. Dropping the gun. Slipping off the hammer while it's partially cocked. Pulling the mag out of an open bolt gun while a live cartridge is hung up and partially chambered, causing the bolt to fly home and fire the stuck cartridge unintentionally. The list goes on and on, but all of those are the direct fault of the person handling the gun. They could have prevented those tragic incidents if they weren't an idiot.
TL;DR yes there is such a thing as an accidental discharge. It's not as common as a negligent discharge, but to say that ALL unintended discharges are negligent is demonstrably and objectively false.
@@mannys9130 Thank you.
You've NEVER been on a hollywood set where others are paid to take care of this shit, where there should NEVER be live rounds, and others were completely negligent in their duties with prop firearms.
Safety first and foremost. Personalities aside. Demonstrate safety at all times. Excellent, Lenny
2 deaths in 40 years on a movie set would be the envy of and states 1st day of hunting season.
I appreciate every time you mention safety protocols in your videos
this was an excellent video
This video needs to be on every tv chanel in America again and again for public safety. Great video. Thank you.
My first time commenting on one of your videos Lenny, but a long time viewer. I especially like that you mentioned the victums first. Thank you for saying what everyone needs to hear, even the juror's
That’s why Keanu Reeves is always practicing with his firearms to do his movies.
If Keanu was the lead in this movie the young lady would still be going home to her family. Such a sad and preventable tragedy.
Even if you did a standard clear of the firearm the shell on a blank won’t look much different. He probably would have assumed there were blanks in the gun. You’re not expected to know the difference right? The only key difference is, don’t point guns at anyone. Even if there are blanks inside. They should have used movie magic rather than have the gun be pointed at anyone.
I saw this demo of how a revolver would be aimed through a 90degree arc while being drawn.
Until he showed us, I had never thought about a cross draw.
@@trentimus5700 dummy rounds don’t have a primer, blanks do but no projectile. You can tell if you are familiar with what you are looking for. If you are handling a gun you have to be responsible enough to know ensure you know what you are handling and how to handle it. His ignorance of the weapon and the rules of gun safety is a huge factor in the accident.
@@trentimus5700 Well, I guess you weren't paying attention. Assume the gun is loaded. double check it before you ACCEPT it. If you don't know how to clear the firearm, before you accept it, ask the "owner" handing it to you how to properly clear it. Better yet, if part of your job or responsibilities includes handling firearms, get training so that you know how to safely handle such firearms; much the same as if you are supposed to drive a vehicle but don't know how..
In the case of dummy rounds, one would need to start with an empty gun, physically examine it and make sure it was empty ( twice is not a bad idea either ), then inspect each round to be of the correct type , and load it. In hollywood, the normal protocol would be 3 people including the actor, the armorer, a director or producer, plus any actors that will be anywhere near where the gun will be pointed. The same protocol would be also true for blank rounds, and if there ever was a reason, for live ammunition as well.
At a minimum, 3 people should have been checking to ensure that the gun was empty to begin with ( more likely 4 ). At a minimum, 3 people should have been inspecting EACH round as it was chambered ( loaded )( and more likely 4 ) It's not limited to just the armorer, actors, directors involved, but also includes anyone that would be in the vicinity or direction of aiming- including the camera people, gaffers, whatever.
With a REAL firearm, there's no assumptions as to what is being loaded- and the same holds true in real life as well. It's assumed to be loaded- with real ammunition - period. For example, if you load snap caps into your semi or revolver, it's on you to KNOW what is loaded. If you load live ammunition - it's also on you. If Alec is allowed to walk because "I didn't know" or " someone else loaded it" or "I didn't intend on hurting anyone" or "I am not an expert", imagine what will happen when gangbangers or hardened criminals kill someone and then start claiming a variation of the Alec Baldwin defense ?
The fact of the matter is, Alec NEVER would have pointed that gun at himself and pulled the trigger based off the word of his Director, that it was a cold gun.
Excellent point.
Very true!!!
True that! Very wise
How many of you "gun people" know the difference between a live round, a dummy round, a squib, and a blank round? How can you tell if the gun is loaded with live rounds or dummy rounds? The fact is, the normal safety rules DO NOT apply on a set and are replaced by an even more stringent set of safety rules and professional standards. If an armorer/propmaster and assistant director give an actor a gun for a scene and the actor removes the rounds, the AD should immediately take the gun and return it to the armorer to verify its status. In fact, it seems that people who should not have been loading the weapons were doing so, which may have played a major role in this tragedy.
@@michaeldean1934 I agree buddy seems that the armorer didn’t do her job correctly and of course director and Alec followed suit
You are 100 % Correct that is how i thought everybody Knew That , Except New Gun Owners.
Lenny, I'm glad you posted this. The 4 rules of gun safety need to become common knowledge. Those 4 rules are not political. Gun ownership itself isn't political, its universal. In a perfect world we wouldnt need guns at all but we don't live in that world. Americans need 2A and I think more needs to be done to educate the common people about safety and use.
I’m glad Lenny stresses this. You watch so many videos on TH-cam and SO MANY people fail to properly/safely handle weapons.
Excellent. Lennie has probably taught me personally more about gun safety than anyone else. He also has made me the Glock fan boy that I am.
Alec got careless, and carelessness and lethal weapons will inevitably cause harm or worse.
Wrong, the armorer's job is to check the gun not the actor. They don't want people messing with a gun, only the armorer.
@@lw7238 - Absolutely correct. Most people wouldn't know the difference between a blank, a dummy, and a live round.
The whole reason for an armorer being there is so the actor doesn't NEED to know.
Also, I think it's more than a little disingenuous to try and force normal gun safety rules on a situation/practice where a gun is REQUIRED to be pointed at people and things that no one intends to shoot/kill/destroy.
I'd also go so far to say the armorer for that film should be brought up on negligent homicide charges, at very least, and not allowed to work on another movie production EVER.
@@guarddog318 Thank you, yes I agree the Armorer is at fault. That was her job and she failed. The insurance companies would not want an actor messing with the guns.
Actually 2 deaths in 40 years on Hollywood sets is a very low number compared to the real world. 1st day of deer season in the US a few people are killed.
I think you’re absolutely right, neither the armor or Mr. Baldwin should’ve been Handling the gun, neither one had a clue as to what they were doing.
Dummy people, need dummy weapons!
Don't be anti gun like Baldwin... learn basic GUN SAFETY.
Guns SAVE LIVES!
thank you Mr Lenny from a old man leaning new things you make fixing up a gun easy to do and understand.
The first two handguns I had access to when I was a kid were a Ruger Blackhawk and a Ruger Single-Six. As you demonstrated, they are harder to verify as empty. But you do the work and take the time because it's faster than a lifetime of regret.
Also, I guess I'm not the only one who checks through two full cylinder rotations.
THIS WASN'T AN ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE IT WAS AN NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE
Sorry, I am a little more suspicious than that.
I hardly call it an accident when Alec said right to the director “I’m should shoot you” then pointed the gun at him and fired not during filming. Given alecs history of attacking gun owners, I hope the book is thrown at him.
If you honestly think Baldwin knew the gun was loaded and did this on purpose then - there is no other way of telling you this - but you're insane.
Oh wow! Were you on the set? What happened, give us the details!
@@inyermouthbaybeh Your profile picture suits you.
I would usually be on your side, since I don’t like him but you weren’t there and only god knew his intentions.
I don't think he knew the gun was loaded or intended to shoot anyone. He SHOULD have checked, and the law actually says he's responsible to be aware of the condition of a firearm when handling it, and that he is legally responsible for what any bullet leaving a gun in his hand does, so he could at very least be charged with manslaughter, reckless conduct with a firearm, and battery with a deadly weapon.
I learned this shit when I was 5 years old and it's been habit since. It just blows my mind that some folks are so unaware of firearm safety
People don't wanna learn because they are anti gun. It's not that hard to watch a 15 minute youtube video to learn. Firearms are a part of humankind, have been for hundreds of years and will be hundreds more. Might as well learn basic safety just in case.
The armorer is responsible for the gun safety and loading. The armorer is at fault.
@@lw7238 Everyone is at fault. Everyone is responsible for gun safety. Idc if your God himself. It's basic safety and even that it's common sense.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 The armorer is in charge of setting up the gun and the actor is not to mess around with it. It is not up to the actor to unload the gun and look down the barrel or each cylinder and then check to see if each dummy round is real or not. THAT IS THE ARMOERER's job. The insurance company would have a major problem if the actors were now in charge of checking weapons. Just because gun safety for you and I are correct, doesn't mean that transfers over to ALL situations. And it doesn't.
you didnt learn this at 5 years old...you were still pissing you pants then buddy
Sir, what you referred to as a 'blank' is in fact a 'squib' - a powderless cartridge with at least the representation of a projectile and with an inert primer body. Another name for a squib is a 'snap cap'. A 'blank' is a fully-functioning primer with powder that has been crimped at the mouth, or otherwise uses a wad to prevent the powder from pouring out the end of the cartridge. The semantic difference in this case can be fatal. Actors have been killed (TV Show 'Cover-Up') by the ejecta from a blank. But no one has ever been killed by a squib. The failure to use the proper terms consistently, especially amongst those unfamiliar, communicates ambiguity to the person who has received the 'blank' such that they do not know whether they have a visual representation of a bullet without the possibility of hurting anyone, or whether they have a fully functioning cartridge without a projectile that STILL DOES have the potential to harm. With great respect, I would submit that the consistent use of the right term is as important as proper handling of the firearm because failure to do so can produce the same fatal results.
I just found your channel today, and subscribed as a result of earlier videos because I like your demeanor and lack of ego. This video confirmed my decision to subscribe to you even more. No partisan BS and pointing fingers, just a sorrow it happened and using the unfortunate opportunity to teach and bring awareness to those that may not have it already. Thank you Lenny.
If by "accident" you mean it was "unintentional", I tend to agree. But there was extreme negligence, carelessness, recklessness, and just plain stupidity involved. Certainly enough for criminal charges. I am 62, and have been shooting guns since age 8. I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps and 3 years as a sheriffs deputy. I qualified as both rifle expert and pistol expert in the Marines. I have participated in cowboy action shooting, as well as old west shows with the Arizona Ghostriders using real guns loaded with blank cartridges. Every single time, every gun was checked by both the actor and propmaster. I have fired countless thousands of rounds from hundreds of different guns during my life. I have NEVER had a negligent discharge. And NO, that does not mean that I think I am so good I don't need to be careful any more. Anyone with that attitude needs to stay FAR away from guns.
Alec Baldwin broke every rule in the book. He did not check the gun after he received it (yes, I'm sure he'll say that he paid someone else to do that) But IMO anyway, any actor who uses a gun in a movie, tv show, or live action, should know enough about the gun to be able to check it themselves. As the last one to handle the gun, Baldwin was the last chance to prevent this tragedy, and he failed big time. Then he apparently actually pointed the gun at a human being, cocked the hammer, and pulled the trigger. You NEVER point a gun at ANYONE unless you are prepared to shoot them. Even if you have checked it and know it is empty. During making movies, tv shows, and in live action shows, with a gun KNOWN by the person using it to have blanks in it, it is still never pointed directly at a person. It is pointed at least 2-3 feet away from the actor. This is undetectable by anyone watching the movie, tv show, or live action show. Baldwin should have received instruction on how to handle a gun. Maybe he did, and ignored it. But the fact that he discharged a gun at all while not actually filming is in itself inexcusable
My guess as to why he's so anti-gun is that he's projecting his own irresponsible attitude about guns on everyone. He assumes everyone is as reckless as he is. And I agree. In a fair world, Baldwin would be in jail awaiting trial for involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide, reckless conduct with a firearm, and aggravated battery or battery with a deadly weapon. And he would probably get a good 10-15 years in prison if convicted on all counts, if he were an average Joe like you or me. But he's rich and famous, so he probably won't face any consequences. "Rules for thee but not for me."
Sorry fella. I posted a bit of what you had already said without seeing your post but in any case totally agree with everything you said. I used to instruct as a range officer at my local club and all newbies were instructed with different types of weapons before they ever touched a live round. Still had fools waving loaded ones about even after that. People are dumb.
If film makers insist on realism in their movies, they need to follow all of the safety procedures mentioned in this thread. Additionally, the Rust cinematographer and assistant director should have been wearing a Kevlar helmet plate armor while standing behind bulletproof plexiglass.
Alex Balwin is an actor. He's not a former soldier in the Marine Corp. (much respect), not a former sheriff, not a gun buff or someone who's been shooting for 54 years. My guess is he trusted and relied upon the propmaster and others on the set to exercise extreme care to see that he (Baldwin) was not handed a gun with a live round in it. Meaning he relied on the paid professionals who are experts in gun use. Maybe he got some gun training (and disregarded it) and maybe he did not, at this point we do not know. The person who "broke every rule in the book" does not appear to me to be Baldwin, but whoever put a live round in a real gun and told Baldwin "you're good to go". In legal terms, I believe the duty to exercise reasonable care to everyone on the set is a duty that primary flowed from the gun experts on the set, which clearly was not Baldwin. Baldwin was stupid to point a gun at anyone, but actors are paid to point guns at people. The guns are supposed to be safe. Negligence is a call to be made by an informed jury, not by those of us with political axes to grind.
A note. According to Baldwins talking heads he didn't purposely aim the gun at anyone. He made the mistake of not knowing your backstop. The lawyers say that he pointed the firearm at a set wall and the shot went through the flimsy wall and then into the people. So yeah its yet another basic rule that was blatantly ignored.
Alec Baldwin knows better than that he has been in at least two films where he's had to fire guns with blanks in them
Very possible he was just lucky. I doubt he checked those guns either.
If he has been in 2 movies where he had to fire guns and wasn’t taught this in either of those either, he still wouldn’t know. I know a lot of people who agree that it makes sense to always check a gun, but didn’t know it.
not defending anyone but NEVER live rounds on set
@@chillios2222 even if the cylinder was opened and he checked, would he have known the difference between dummy rounds made to look real and an actual real one?
Don't make excuses for him and get distracted from the fact that he is responsible for what happened.
100%....... he's screwed!! from refusing basic gun saftey course / not checking the gun all the way to being the producer of the production so is where the buck stops on set. When he got leagal advice they should have told him to keep quiet but instead he came out with that BS that he didn't have his finger on the trigger in America where 75% of people know guns well enough to say he's talking shit.
The armorer is 100% responsible for putting live ammunition in the firearm.
@Dr. F false, you can't kick the blame to someone else.
There are several LEVELS of responsability. On this case the blame is shared and split in different ratios among more than 1 people.
@@tiagodagostini True. And Alec has the most because he didn't check the gun, he pointed at her, with his finger on the trigger.
Many people don't want to take the time to familiarize themselves with their gun like they should. You make some good points, thanks for the video.
thank you for being honest about having an accidental discharge -- no one is perfect. i think that those who HAVE made a mistake are more likely to be even more cautious than someone whose never made one and takes it for granted.
I don't own a single firearm and I still watched the whole way through. Great video, very important to remember
First step, now your ready to arm yourself and be ready for the tyranny that is on the way.
Me too. I don't even live in the USA. Still found this an excellent video and I agree with everything said. Highly unlikely but if I ever came in contact with a firearm in my lifetime I would follow all of these essential rules.
Lenny, I applaud your efforts to educate shooters but noticed one glaring error. There are nearly 2,000 comments and I just can’t read them all, so if this was pointed out already, I apologize. You referred to a round as a BLANK and said it may have a hole drilled in the side to show it has no powder. These rounds with no powder but have a bullet pressed into the casing so as to appear just like a live round are typically referred to as a DUMMY round. They are loaded into a gun belt that might have loops, or actually loaded in the Colt SA to appear when viewed from the loud side by a camera to have a loaded cylinder.
A BLANK is a round loaded by a professional armorer with gunpowder and a wad of some type. A BLANK goes bang but if prepared properly does not have anything but a soft wad expelled from the barrel.
So, a DUMMY round has a real bullet installed but can’t go bang due to no powder or live primer. Just for show.
A BLANK will look very different as there will be no bullet installed, just a wad stuffed into the casing to retain the powder. This round will have a live primer to ignite the powder giving the impression the gun just fired.
That is my understanding of the proper terms for these two movie rounds.
@@scotts2565 Yes Scott, a primer alone would make a noise. You maybe could call it a bang. But do you honestly think a primer alone would accurately mimic all the elements of a real Colt 45 round being fired? The recoil, smoke, muzzle flash, and a bang hearty enough to convince you that what you are seeing and hearing is a real round. Ain’t gunna happen with a primer alone.
And guess what……..to get a realistic shot of somebody shooting a gun at you….it’s dangerous. You need professional stunt people, an armorer that knows their profession well and sees to it that safety MUST come first, and a producer who is willing to let the professionals they hired to run the set each and every time any weapons are involved in a scene. No excuses. Baldwin’s mistake was hiring the cheapest armorer he could find. In order for tragedies of this magnitude to occur, it often takes a series of errors aligning perfectly. I think that’s what happened here. A producer who’s primary goal was to keep costs to a minimum. An extremely inexperienced armorer with little regard for safety. An assistant director who was just a Baldwin yes man. And maybe somebody who got pissed off about something and brought live rounds on the set. Mr. Baldwin is a far left wing Hollywood Democrat who has about zero gun skills, knowledge, or basic safety habits. And that and his primary concern to get his film in the can under budget caused the death of his friend, who was a mother and a wife.
That Mr Scott is an ending we both can agree…………….was truly a tragedy.
Yes! It was very helpful!!! Thank you. This was the best demonstration that I’ve seen & there is a flood of them out there! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great video, Lenny. Have a happy, healthy and successful 2022!
There is no such thing as an "accidental" shooting. The range starts at negligent shooting and ends at intentional shooting for anyone who is supposedly an adult.
If you have the gun in your hand you are responsible for anything that happens.
So, there's a famous video of someone on a Pistol comp, whose Firearm experiences a malfunction as he's cocking it - would you not consider that an Accidental discharge, since there was nothing negligent about it (pointed at safe direction, finger off trigger, followed RSO instruction)
@@MajesticDemonLordNot what we are talking about. All the same congrats you figured out a very specific situation that was still probably the person's fault. Mechanical failure comes in a few flavors: Worn out weapon. Modified weapon. Improperly assembled weapon. Obsolete design. The last just purely a bad luck situation with a part failure is the tiniest sliver of a situation where they are not 100% at fault. More like 90%.
In the end if the Firearm is in your hand, you are still responsible. You have to live with the consequences. The only thing that saved the day was proper procedure so the only thing they had to live with was embarrassment. Too bad old Alec didn't follow it.
@@GeoFry3 As well, if it goes off and someone gets hit, regardless of whether it was any fault of yours - say someone handed it to you and assured you it was brand new, unmodified, safety tested, and then somehow miraculously it goes off when you're cocking it, it's still your fault if you were pointing a weapon (loaded or not) at another human being at any point because even when you think it's safe you shouldn't point it at someone. If it's an accidental discharge where the round goes into the dirt, it's possible for the overall outcome not to be your fault if the weapon is extremely malfunctioning and you were told it was checked etc but the moment you are pointing it at someone you are violating safety rules entirely and the outcome of violating safety rules is on you.
I think this case is different (assuming that Alec Baldwin didn't shoot and had good reason to believe it was safe) because in the context of a film it can be a necessary part of the process, but at that point they should be using replica firearms and special effects, nowadays it can look so good you wouldn't notice and would sidestep the inherent safety issues with using them in film. Hell, if I were doing this movie, I would've gotten a camera rig so that nobody would be in the way because even if the plan was to shoot a blank you don't want to be that close to it.
I got to see Lenny Magill the Glock store in Nashville today. Pretty cool! They have a very nice facility there with great staff. I will definitely be back.
Lucky! I’d just love to go to the store, and I’m not even a glock guy
And pointed a gun at the director and pulled the trigger on purpose..... Even if it's an accident, he's in jail for manslaughter for killing the woman right!??? NO EXCUSES
An accident caused by ignoring the rules of firearm safety after handling real weapons on movie sets for decades is beyond negligence.
Thanks Lenny for doing this it’s not anything to be careless with tragedies like this should never happen and he was the driver and there are con quinces to bad judgement
I have a friend that told me about a time that he was cleaning his 1911. He had just finished putting it back together after cleaning it and had the slide locked back and was about to oil it up and dropped it on his bed as he reached for the oil to apply it but he watched it as a live round rolled because of the depression the gun was making in the bed it rolled right into the open breach of the gun. If he had not been watching it happen he would never have known that the gun was loaded. It was a one in a million thing I remember that every time I clean my gun I have had a concealed carry permit for the past thirty years now and I have never had a accident with any gun I own. But I don’t take a gun for granted I was taught better by my family but I rarely have to use my gun. Because it stays in the holster until I want to shoot something if I draw it I already have made up my mind
WOW! Of course in my house, you would be in trouble for cleaning the gun near the bedspread (LOL)
A rule of firearm safety is always, without exception, treat all firearms as being loaded, even when they aren’t. Check and double check the gun for live rounds. Don’t point the gun at anything you are not prepared to shoot.
Well, good luck with your acting career with rules like that.
Actors habitually point guns or guns-like apparatuses at other people, sometimes even themselves.
The problem is that Alec Baldwin is an anti gun activist, so he's not interested in listening to safety protocols, and we know it because this would never had happened if he was.
Alec pulled the trigger so he owns it
After cocking it and aiming it.
Awesome! Thank you Lenny!
They need to have you explain this to the jurors if there is a trial. Explained beautifully.
Thank you
Also explain to the jurors that guns don't just "go off" by themselves. (He is claiming he didn't pull the trigger).. Really? Ok how does that work exactly?
Notice how the MSM will not cover this at all. It's OK, at least he should be done spoofing Trump on SNL
Excellent lesson on handling a gun! I also believe that everyone should learn and know these principles (even if you don't like guns). But from a background as a RSO for the State division for 9 years and having worked on the set on several major motion pictures and TV several years, I often have found myself keeping an eye on or helping people that are inexperienced, often first time shooters to learn to be safe and keep myself safe. Even on a set you can't assume that anyone has knowledge or experience handling guns. That is why it IS the responsibility of the armorer and/or prop-master to be there and perform the roll of an RSO to ensure safe gun handling on the set. The first assistant director is responsible for the overall safety on the set. It is a good idea for everyone to seek out a qualified gun range and be taught how to handle a gun - even if you don't like them.
lol, no, its Alecs fault and he will get away with it. Take off your kneepads
I'm so sick of people that jump to the defense of rich people, claiming that their money made them too stupid to be held accountable for anything
The tact and professionality with which you handled this situation was really great to see. The situation totally sucks and, as you mentioned, I don't think anyone believes Baldwin intended to kill someone. But, when you pair anti-gun Hollywood types with real guns, there HAS TO BE some sort of gun safety training. I think that this tragedy makes that fact abundantly clear. You can hate cars, but if you intend to drive one, you better know how the accelerator works. Baldwin is not my favorite by a long shot, but I do feel for him. He will live with this for the rest of his life. As I said, a sucky situation through and through.
What about the family of that lady he killed. They will always remember that day. I have more sympathy for this family than for this overpaid nincompoop!
I wouldn’t be so sure that Baldwin had never been trained. I am seldom around firearms in recent years but in the years when I saw plenty accidents and near accidents.
@@jan22150 It goes without saying that we grieve for the families. It's not a contest - I was simply acknowledging that accidentally killing someone will cause long-term mental issues.
How many times since this incidence do you imagine Baldwin has been told “ Shut the F up!” ?
No chats with reporter…. No interviews.
He has no impulse control. He’s not 100% stupid, he can’t control himself .
He may well have been able to train someone gun safety ten minutes before this incident and still be unable to control his need to show off, be the star…. Watch my quick draw….. forget checking if its unloaded… is the trigger touchy.. hard to pull… F that watch this..
@@dimbulb23 Hey man, I acknowledge that it was ignorant of me to ignore mentioning the pain of the families and the victim themselves. It was not intended. The point of my post was largely to highlight the lack of gun safety training in Hollywood. Take Keanu Reeves for example: He spent weeks with Taran Tactical learning gun safety and how to operate the firearms he used. I'm sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way. I assure you, I grieve for her family and for her. She should have never lost her life to such negligence. I just thought that Mr. Magill was really matter-of-fact about the issue and I congratulated because I feel a lot of firearms enthusiasts are ignoring the mental anguish it will effect on Baldwin.
Baldwin is distinctly anti-gun in a way that not all Hollywood actors are. I feel that his point of view impacted his safety training. But, while he was in the driver's seat, he was not the only person responsible for this accident. There should NEVER have been live ammo on the set. But as Magill states, he was solely responsible for checking the chamber. We're on the same page. I just feel we should also acknowledge the pain Baldwin must feel due to his outright ignorance.
I hope you understand.
Lenny, you are spot on! Thanks for this.
Well done Lenny. Thanks.
The big mystery is how live ammo ended up on the set. Someone knows, but they’re not owning up to it.
I thought there was a drought lol 😆
My money is someone, probably disgruntled, wanted a incident to happen. But I doubt they wanted this.
Maybe it wasn't live.
Maybe it was a bullet from a dummy round lodged or loose in the barrel, followed by a blank that has powder and a charge.
These accidents don't happen with semis on movie sets because they don't need to use dummy rounds because you can see the bullets in the mag. Old revolvers you see each bullet being loaded....
Now if they were doing a continuous shot(no cuts or edits) of an old western gunfight...
They need to show the revolver being loaded with ammo that looks real(exposed bullet) followed by the use of a blank to simulate firing the gun all without stopping the film .....
Yeah...it's difficult and dangerous
You are assuming it was an "accident" . He is a hot head and has gotten into physical altercations with many people over the years.
Exactly. He's always getting in fights with people.
It’s a negligent firearm charge regardless.
Wrong. Watch and learn.
Thank you for the good info. Safety first always!
I’m completely obsessed with this case. I find every gun expert’s comments extremely interesting and informative.
Just make sure you don't make the same mistake. And educate people around you.
@@wannabecarguy I don’t handle guns so I doubt anyone would listen to my advice on handling them, but I find the details of how various guns work very interesting.
Wholeheartedly agree however there is always an exception to the rule whereby if someone is not competent to check a firearm safely (there are many makes and models) and many levels of mental capacity there should have been a mandatory safe handling course for anyone on that set that handled a firearm. It's not hard to spend an hour or two being taught how a particular firearm operates. Baldwin has been in plenty of movies with guns. He should have known better!
I totally agree. If you don't point at something you don't shoot that something. If you are going to play or practice with a gun, don't be within 3 feet of people.
The armorer is the on responsible for setting up the guns for each shoot. The actors are not to check the gun or open it up. That is the armorers job. You don't want 7 guns on a set and have all 7 actors opening up the guns and checking them out, that would open up more liability and a greater chance of a mistake or problem. HENCE THE REASON FOR THE ARMORER.
I'm sure, as in every case, there are details we don't know or will maybe never know. What we do know and I agree with you Barearmz, there was a professional armorer hired for the safe handling of firearms while on set. I don't think this makes Baldwin less guilty, he still pulled the trigger. It makes the armorer, as a trained & hired professional, equally as guilty as Baldwin. To Baldwin - ignorance & elitism is no excuse for the law!
@@robs2536 Baldwin will not be charged, watch and learn and it won't be because of ignorance or elitism. Baldwin will be in lawsuits but not criminal charges.
Thanks for reminding everyone that everyone is responsible for their actions! I see so many videos where kids aim loaded guns at the camera or fire automatic Glocks without looking at their background and their eyes squint and the muzzle lifts out of their control! I’m all for the 2nd amendment but people need to be responsible and show skill before being allowed to legally own a gun.
You don't learn gun safety and marksmanship without actually using a gun and spending a lot of time training with them.
@@hudsondonnell444 and criminals don’t take classes to carry concealed or learn how to properly use a gun which is why I said people need to show skill before being allowed to legally own a gun. People can train with a gun in class without owning one and once they show they can properly handle it then they can get a license to buy one. It’s a right but it’s a responsibility too.
Ain’t no “but” in 2A
@@Joe-bh4vz So you don't agree that people who own guns need to be responsible and have skills to use them properly? Interesting comment!
@@rwfrench66GenX, that’s where you’re wrong.
Firearm safety is a necessary.
Firearm safety laws are illegal.
Yep I will agree with everything that have been said, and my thing is why do they need live rounds on a set.
Let me say this about that. Lenny your hand gun etiquette video was one of if not the first thing I watched after purchasing my first Glock G45. I took it to heart. I believe that Alec should step up and take responsibility for his actions. He is no better than any other person who owns and shoots firearms.
Super presentation thank you very much for not politicizing this sad situation
Hell, even if it's a "toy" gun, it should be handled like a live firearm. People have lost eyes and teeth to paintball and airsoft guns just as easily as a person can lose their lives to a real gun. I've even seen a nerf gun hurt a little kid's eye to the point he needed a hospital.
Even if it's a gun shaped brick of plastic, you should STILL treat it as if it's a real firearm, period. It's just a good practice to have, but idiots keep arguing online about it being a "prop gun", which is absolutely irrelevant.
They you would have to ban paintball and kids would have to shoot into the sky and say I got you. You make no sense.
I agree with you 100%
Before this gets swept under the rug I believe we have a right to know whose fingerprints were on the deadly round. Was the shell casing wiped of fingerprints before it was put in the gun or are there fingerprints on the casing and if so whose fingerprints? I smell a rat. Fingerprints or absence there of could tell us a lot. Was the deadly round intentionally placed in the weapon or is this really an accident. I am very suspicious.
I like this man, very honest and to the point. I agree with everything he has said.
My Dad taught me when I was 10 years old , a gun is always Loaded, never point a gun at anything you don’t want to destroy, he taught me respect, responsibilities and the finger never on the trigger until you’re ready to shoot and always know what you’re shooting at. He taught me to love target shooting, and reloading
After the Baldwin shooting, I searched TH-cam for videos about firearm safety and found a video of yours. It told me what I already knew. Whoever picks up the gun has the duty to ensure it is unloaded.
Fantastic Video, thanks for creating and posting. I shared this with my son, we all need to be reminded of the proper handling of a firearm. We can't be too cautious, or become complacent.
Thank you. You are explaining and demonstrate education so well how to handle a real. This is awesome. Everyone should learn learn this safety check.
Thanks for a very good explanation on what to do when you pick up a gun. Practice, Practice, Practice... When you pick up a gun!
Right on !! Also camera angles, editing and remote camera operation make it so there is NO need to point a gun directly at anyone on a movie set.
Well done. Thank you.