I've already upgraded - after my birthday in the summer I upgraded my PC to a Ryzen 7600x, rtx 3070 and 32gb ram. Not groundbreaking but boosted my fps in 2020 to around 60-70 fps (i was getting 20-30fps with my old ryzen 2700, gtx 1060, 16gb), so ive been enjoying the better use of 2020 for the last few months, and my reckoning/hope is that 2024 will work even better, but even if it doesn't, i should be getting 30-40fps on the new sim, which I'll be more than happy with!
i mean, not really still. would need 10x the power of a 4090, or at least 4-5x + better upscaling, to have an actual good VR experience. Maybe in 5-10 years. @@channelvr1293
The question for me is will it perform as well as 2020 & I think it will ultimately perform better with win 11 H25 (which should relieve stress on the processor by loading graphics directly from the cloud) & multithreading but won't know for sure for another week. I won't spend a dime on a new computer if mine works as well as it did on 2020. If moneys no object then do what ever you want but not everyone can buy a new PC nor needs to if the're getting decent performance. I have 4+ good years on msfs 2020 & expect a little more for msfs 2024. I'm more excited about the smaller footprint with faster loading better visuals with seasons, better trees etc. not to mention multi threading. I'll find out soon !
as long as you reach 100kbps or more (see via speed test) you should be fine. ask the people that pay for your internet what plan they have. nowadays you dont pay your internet per usage (like with mobile data) but rather you get unlimited access with a limit of how much stuff go through your internet.
Great video. Just bought a new MSI motherboard and 9800x3D, replacing my 5800x3D. I plan on sticking with MSFS2020 for a while. Once I upgrade to FS2024, this should be an amazing build esp with multi-threading in the new sim...
@@320_Crew It will run fine. I'm very picky about my performance in MSFS, especially when on VATSIM. The 5800x3D is a great CPU. I'll never regret purchasing it.
I'm really hoping that the 7900X makes good use of the second chiplet and that other strategy/sim gams start using more than 8 cores. It would be nice for flight sim enthusiasts to have an option that is readily available. It might even make arrow lake useful for sim fans when you pair it with fast CUDIMM memory.
For those primarily using Microsoft Flight Simulator and doing a bit of productivity work, it’s hard to justify spending extra on a mid-to-high range PC, especially when the simulator itself isn’t fully optimized. You end up paying a lot for only a slight improvement, even with the help of artificial frame generation (FG).
Am waiting on a 9800x3d to be delivered, and no doubt I’ll be waiting again for the 5090 to replace the 4090… I do play solely in VR though, so anything I can do to feed the Aero headset is going to help. The 5800x3d and 4090 combo is great, but the headset could still benefit from more power.
We actually *do* have answers to much of this stuff from the tech alpha. And yes, the multithreading is excellent from personal experience. (I played extensively with resource monitor running on a second monitor and the load was evenly distributed at all times.)
I have updated hardware, still kicking AM4 5700x3d. I ditched my old x570 and it showed signs of aging, got a new MSI b550 w/ 3600 64gb CL 16 ram. Recently I ditched my 6750xt to an Acer A770, say what you want about the A770 but it has brought a whole new life to my having experience and FS 2020 looks amazing. So will see if this holds up to 2024.
I've had my i5-9600K / 2070 / 32 GB setup since 2018 and I'm looking forward to seeing how it performs with the new sim. I'm willing to upgrade in the next year or so but it really needs to make sense and have a noticeable result. The ultimate goal would be to finally test and use VR for flight simming in the future. I have a widescreen 3440 x 1440 display but it feels like a phone screen now.
I figured my system needs an upgrade, and the catalyst is the release of 2024. If I'm going to upgrade for 2024, I might as well get one now (had it for a month now) I can still use it for 2020. With my new setup (7950X3D, 4080S, 64GB DDR5) I can run FBW 380 (8K) at around 42-45fps for the most part, and around 30fps at poorly optimised addon airports. That's on Ultra 4K. Pretty happy with it! Whatever 2024 brings, I'm sure CPU optimisation will be had, but very interested to see what they did in the space of multithreading optimisation!
I had a chance to test tech alpha on my "beefy" PC - i7-8700, RTX 3070, 32GB, 1Gb internet - and I share your opinion that MSFS using CPU more effectively. I had less than 12 hours with it so did not come close to any deep comparison but my impression was it behave better than 2020 on my hardware.
Mmmm yes Keep calm and Carry on as I recall, being very good advice after looking at a whole new PC. Which is a humungous price these days, here in NZ. Only a few days to go here now. Thanks. Laurie. NZ.
This is a good video. Far better than most on this subject - A software engineer While it's true that we get more out of MSFS using a high-end CPU rather than a high-end GPU, for the ultimate MSFS experience I'd recommend considering a VR headset (like the Pimax Crystal Light). It's amazing. For that you do want a really good GPU. If someone is just starting to think about hardware upgrades, I'd wait for nVidia to release their new 50xx series GPUs. Then either purchase a second hand 4080 or go for the 50xx series.
Been considering upgrading. I've got a Ryzen 7 3700 and an RTX 3070, so well in the recommended specs. I've got 32Gb RAM, but it's pretty slow by today's standards (DDR4-3200MHz, downgraded to 3000MHz due to stability issues). Will wait and see what the performance is like before making a decision. MSFS2020 is quite playable for me at the moment, although I'm running at 1080p and some detail levels turned down, but VR performance is baaaaad! Lowest detail settings I get reasonable enough frame rates, but very jerky motion when I turn my head.
I had multi-core performance issues fixed in DCS (another flight sim also demanding on hardware) by unparking my CPU cores (using Quick CPU). You may already have tested it, but in case... Very effective. Could be a good subject for your channel (if not already done, sorry for my comment if that's the case).
As currently an Xbox user looking to switch to pc - how much should I expect to spend on a new pc that will be able to run it at a similar output to that on Xbox (better would be good but not after ultra high graphics, been happy with my Xbox experience). Usually use it for commercial airline flights and would like to try add one such as GSX and vatsim
i have I9 14900 K, RTX 4090, M.2 980 PRO 2TB, 128 GB RAM GSKILL F5-6800, the sim (FS 2020), on ultra runs ~ 80 fps on 3440x1440 (240Hz) monitor. I'm wondering if FS 2024 can run at 80 fps. Wait, now flying a Cessna 172 in thunderstorm Nvidia app shoes 186 FPS, when i was flying the FlyBywire A320 was 80 fps in crowded area. I will probably not need and AMD proc. About VR i'm very curious, the best sim for VR was Xplane 11, FS 2020 was not even close, lets see how 2024 develops. The VR is a Valve Index.
Great video, thank you! I totally agree with you. I have i9-9900k with 32gb RAM and 3080ti. I'm considering upgrading CPU + obviously the motherboard and RAM. I'm generally happy with performance of 2020 on ultra now, though heavy payware airports and FSTL traffic becomes super challenging sometimes. I'm targeting 4k and 30-50 fps. Wondering if the 7800X3D or Intel's Core Ultra 9 285k will be enough or should I spend more on the newest 9800X3D. So hard to decide, so hard to wait :) But "wait" is the right choice at the moment.
I upgraded 2 years ago (i913900k/rtx4090/32Gb 6400 ram/z790mb/1000w psu) and this continues to work great for me (mainly PCVR). Sounds like there isn't going to be the need to do any further upgrades for msfs2024. Maybe I'll be able to ride things out until nvidia rtx6000 series gpu's are released in 2-3 years, lol!
I have a 4090 and 7900x in my build. Just hope I can get 1440p 60+ fps. Going to be upgrading to an x3d chip sometime soon so I can get that sweet 3d v cache. So pumped to pull my flight yoke back out and have some aeronautical shenanigans.
One factor I’ve never seen discussed is multiple monitors. I have a main 4k display screen up on the wall. But then a couple of touch screens dor pop out instruments, charting, and a windows desktop. Are these low-demand extra screens a burden for the GPU?
I have a ryzen 7900x and rtx 3090. I'll be waiting for 9800x3d benchmarks on the game. Maybe more cores are key here now the game utalizes all cores now. Maybe more cores = better preformance? Will see how the new Nvidia cards will be once released in January. I'm in no hurry but want to get into vr soonish so I'm just waiting to see what hardware is best.
Im running i9-9900k, RTX 2080ti and 32gb ram so I'll run it and see. Probably need to upgrade the processor (1170 socket) to 12900k and graphics (RTX4080 out of my price range so will have to compromise) and in doing so may as well throw in another 32 gb ram, we'll see.
Thanks for the video. I have a 5800X3D with 32GB RAM and an RTX 3080Ti. CPU struggles a bit at busy airports in 1440p, but generally OK. I'm hoping that it will still be good for MSFS 2024. At some point I'll build a 9800X3D with 64GB RAM as well (and maybe a 4080), but if I can lose the CPU bottleneck by it using more cores, that would be ideal!
Same specs here. I'll probably get a 9950X3D, and 64gb, and leave my 3080ti untouched. I run mostly PMDG737 and Fenix A320. I guess the 9950X3D might handle these study-level aircraft while being at complex airports much better than the 9800X3D. Just a guess. Still need to wait for the release of MSFS2024.
I tested the tech alpha on a 5950x/4090 it ran smoother than MSFS and I saw 99% on the GPU! I want to play at 7680x2160, ultra settings. The only question is whether 9950X3D will beat the 9800X3D, is it more frequency or core dependent? My hunch is the 9800X3D will remain king until the next generation.
I’m already building a new pc for Christmas because why not . 9800X3D, MSI X870E carbon wifi mobo, 64GB of ram and my existing RTX4090. Should run MSFS2024 just fine
No one should be buying anything until FS2024 is out and we see how the new code for core utilisation, that’s different to FS2020, is with higher core count CPU’s AND the 9900x3D and 9950x3D is out. The reason is the higher core count 9000x3D chips are supposed to have cache for both CCD’s unlike previous generations so there won’t be the issue that previous x3D gen’s had, though if you used multiple background programs like so many of us do with flight sims and used Process Lasso to set what programs use what CCD the multi CCD chips could still offer slight better performance than the single CCD 800 chip. So, the smart move is not to rush out and buy a 9800x3D chip right now thinking it’s definitely going to be the best performing chip in FS2024, but to hold your horses till the other two chips are out and see how they compare.
I have a Ryzen 7 5800x system with 16 gigs of RAM and an RTX 3060. How would that run on high settings and the fenix/pmdg/ifly/FBW aircraft along with a payware airport here and there?
Guys, what do you think about my setup? Is it enough for the new one? - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - Zotac RTX 4070 Super - 64gb Crucial 3200mhz DDR4 - Samsung NVMe 990 Pro 2TB It depends on the plane and scenery but I get between 40-120 fps on Mid-high settings on the current sim
currently rocking a 5900X, RTX 3080, 32 Gigs of RAM and playing at 1440p. For the most part, i'm happy with my performance, but if Microsoft really get multithreading working porpperly it will be huge, because my GPU is only utilized like 40-60% because of the main thread limiting...
That cpu limiting thing really gives me flashbacks to the PS3 where developers where just too lazy to develop the game to correctly use all cores and instead just ported everything over from the Xbox version thus having a much worse looking and running game on the much more potent hardware. I’m to this day shocked that adobo/microsoft even when fs2020 was still in development didn’t manage to program it right away so that it used multi cores efficiently. I mean, even when fs2020 was still in early development, multi cores and games not using it correctly was already a thing
Im going VR 4K each eye. I imagine the RTX 5090 should handle it. Ill give my 3080ti a shot at it first. From watching reviews i can already tell im gonna need to upgrade.
I am really hoping frame gen is a feature in MSFS2024, I very recently picked up an RTX 3050 and I hope this will allow me to play MSFS2024 at reasonable performace...
Best tips I can give are: Buy a 4TB NVME SSD (fastest loading times), get 64GB ram (32GB is really not enough), use a RTX 3070 or better and core i7-9700k or better. This is for high/ultra settings
Hey, RX7900XT-Owner here 😅 The main differences are in my humble opinion the quality and the accsessability. FSR3 and the Framegen is ok for example in games like Avatar or Cyberpunk but its too unprecise an not as perfect as DLSS and Nvidea-Framegen. The main Problem is that its not implemented in the most games. The AMD-Card has enourmus raw power and i can play with TAA on avererage 60 FPS on an 7800x3d but only at normal airports 😅 the processor is the bottlenek as for RTX-Users. Hope they fix this this time 💪🏼 Just ask if you have any additional questions 😊
Right now I'm going with a 9800X3D with 64 GB 6400MT/s CL28 RAM with a 4090. I want 8300 MT/s RAM, but CUDIMM RAM is not compatible with AMD just yet. I mainly do 4K and 6K.
I'm going to sit on what I have: 12700K / 3080TI / 32GB RAM, and see what comes when the sim is out next week. The good thing is, if I do find that I need to upgrade you can get pretty much the recommended rig (14700 / 4080 / 64) for about the same as what I got this for 2 years ago. And with the RTX 50-series coming out soon and Black Friday coming up (after US Thanksgiving), if I need to update I feel like I will be able to.
I am using a 12700k with a 3090 at the moment, but managed to get a 9800x3d. Intel just using more power and less results. Looking forward to the install this week and seeing how it performs.
I have a i7-4770K. Is that barely enough for MSFS2024 or do i need a better CPU? If I compare the two I dont see a big difference apart of the minimum CPU being just aroung 10% better
The 4770k is going to be very slow. It was a good cpu when it came out, but that was in 2013, over 10 years ago. The 4770k has difficulty with msfs 2020, the 1% lows and stuttering is bad. You might be able to get it to run, but framerates will be bad at almost any resolution. Limited by main thread. I just upgraded from a 4770 equivalent. I got a 5700x3d for 140 dollars on aliexpress, and the difference is night and day. The weakest cpu I would start with is a r5 5600, which can be found around 100 dollars used.
@daanjansen1949 if you are talking about gpu I woukd say 4070super is the best choice at 1440p, otherwise 7800XT. Cpu wise 7600X or 7700X depending if you need to do multitasking or game only. Of course the 7800x3d would be the best, but the price gone up to the moon because It will be replaced by the 9800X3D. Forget Intel 13th and 14th gen because that platform can't be upgraded.
Sorry I am not well up of PC Hardware...But I can not understand Microsoft...You would of thought with the vast amount of money they have they would of bought six PC's with the spec they say and tested them and let us mortals know what the results are...Why the mystery do they not test their product?
I reckon it would put a lot of people off buying the game if they were brutally honest in the published system requirements. The average player has a PC with an RTX3060 graphics card (* according to Steam player surveys), if the published system requirements state that a greater graphics card is required to run the game with basic settings, a majority segment of the market would be sceptical they can run it. Casual players with mid range hardware are by far the majority of the market for any game, including flight sim.
Can't wait to deal with all the people buying 7950X3D, 9950X3Ds etc and wondering why the 7800 and 9800 are shredding them in FPS... people, do your research, for the love of god.
@@mariusvanvuuren4983 I played the alpha. on a 3900x, a 10850k, and a 7800X3D, those are the 3 CPUs I have in my home. What did you test on? I found that the game didn't use more than 8 cores on any CPU, or even more than 6 cores in most cases. the 800X3Ds will still beat the 950s for the first year or more imo
@@mariusvanvuuren4983 I played the alpha. I ran it on a 3900x, a 10850k, and a 7800X3D. What did you test it on? Regardless of whether or not you've tested or are just pulling words out of thin air, core parking is not the issue. The problem is that 3d V cache is only on a single chiplet in the 7950. This means that at absolute best, if the sim is multithreaded perfectly and somehow uses all 8 cores, you're still just a 7800X3D with worse clock speed and thermals. The second set of cores are completely useless in games, just as they are with Intel CPUs.
Just built my new rig, i7 14700k, RTX 4080 super, 64GB ddr5 Corsair Vengeanxe ram at 6000mhz. 2 SSD 4 TB Samsung drives. Didn’t go for the 4090 as it is still just too expensive but my power unit is capable of running it for the future!
I just built basically the same rig. I somehow trusted Microsoft with their recommendations. The 98003xd was tempting but like it was said in the video, the fact that MS did not mentioned a x3d CPU in their optimal specs can’t be a coincidence…
I've already upgraded - after my birthday in the summer I upgraded my PC to a Ryzen 7600x, rtx 3070 and 32gb ram. Not groundbreaking but boosted my fps in 2020 to around 60-70 fps (i was getting 20-30fps with my old ryzen 2700, gtx 1060, 16gb), so ive been enjoying the better use of 2020 for the last few months, and my reckoning/hope is that 2024 will work even better, but even if it doesn't, i should be getting 30-40fps on the new sim, which I'll be more than happy with!
It’s going to stream the textures so only plane models and base game parts will be included in install and they said it would be 30 gb max for avoitor
Do you use Frame Gen and Dlss withyour new config?
@@whiskeygolf no I've just been using TAA, and not played around with Fran Gen etc.
What resolution are you running on?
You need to up your settings if you’re getting 60-70fps you’re wasting your specs.
VR users will have to wait and pray...
I am certainly waiting for reports as to the performance in VR before I spend a cent here. I hope it's better than 2020.
Well I'm pre-ordering the RTX5090 with the new AMD 9800X3D it should be ok for playing it in VR. Fingers crossed 🤞
i mean, not really still. would need 10x the power of a 4090, or at least 4-5x + better upscaling, to have an actual good VR experience. Maybe in 5-10 years. @@channelvr1293
Hopefully ideal spec = VR spec with Pimax Crystal (their 'official VR partner)
@@hughmanwho crystal or crystal light?
Very helpful. Reinforces my desire to wait for the product to be fully tested before committing to a build.
The question for me is will it perform as well as 2020 & I think it will ultimately perform better with win 11 H25 (which should relieve stress on the processor by loading graphics directly from the cloud) & multithreading but won't know for sure for another week. I won't spend a dime on a new computer if mine works as well as it did on 2020. If moneys no object then do what ever you want but not everyone can buy a new PC nor needs to if the're getting decent performance. I have 4+ good years on msfs 2020 & expect a little more for msfs 2024. I'm more excited about the smaller footprint with faster loading better visuals with seasons, better trees etc. not to mention multi threading. I'll find out soon !
better they said :/
Another thing I noticed in another review is that 8000MT memory has a massive impact on FS2020 FPS 1% lows over 6000MTs, something like 35% increase.
Honestly, I think the most important question is, is my Internet up to the job, or do I need upgrade that too
as long as you reach 100kbps or more (see via speed test) you should be fine. ask the people that pay for your internet what plan they have. nowadays you dont pay your internet per usage (like with mobile data) but rather you get unlimited access with a limit of how much stuff go through your internet.
*mb/s sorry not kbps
Should be fine, tests on the alpha showed mostly around 20mbps peaking at 50mbps.
My internet speed is 1 Gbps through an RJ45 ethernet connection.
@user-Phillip138 I have the same so I'm not so worried but I feel if your in a large household anything less than 50 and boy that could be a problem
Great video. Just bought a new MSI motherboard and 9800x3D, replacing my 5800x3D. I plan on sticking with MSFS2020 for a while. Once I upgrade to FS2024, this should be an amazing build esp with multi-threading in the new sim...
I have a regular 5800x. Hope it runs okay
@@320_Crew It will run fine. I'm very picky about my performance in MSFS, especially when on VATSIM. The 5800x3D is a great CPU. I'll never regret purchasing it.
I’ve just swap my 5800x with my 9800x3d, during cruising condition my fps goes up to 100 with frame gen😂
@ how did you back up your pc? Was it a struggle to reinstall everything back into your system with a new motherboard?
@ actually I’ve used software to move my entire c drive to a new hard disk and works well for me.
Can't wait as Ive upgraded to the 9800 x3D
I'm really hoping that the 7900X makes good use of the second chiplet and that other strategy/sim gams start using more than 8 cores.
It would be nice for flight sim enthusiasts to have an option that is readily available.
It might even make arrow lake useful for sim fans when you pair it with fast CUDIMM memory.
For those primarily using Microsoft Flight Simulator and doing a bit of productivity work, it’s hard to justify spending extra on a mid-to-high range PC, especially when the simulator itself isn’t fully optimized. You end up paying a lot for only a slight improvement, even with the help of artificial frame generation (FG).
Indeed. A 5700x3D is as good value as it gets.
Am waiting on a 9800x3d to be delivered, and no doubt I’ll be waiting again for the 5090 to replace the 4090…
I do play solely in VR though, so anything I can do to feed the Aero headset is going to help. The 5800x3d and 4090 combo is great, but the headset could still benefit from more power.
We actually *do* have answers to much of this stuff from the tech alpha. And yes, the multithreading is excellent from personal experience. (I played extensively with resource monitor running on a second monitor and the load was evenly distributed at all times.)
I have updated hardware, still kicking AM4 5700x3d. I ditched my old x570 and it showed signs of aging, got a new MSI b550 w/ 3600 64gb CL 16 ram. Recently I ditched my 6750xt to an Acer A770, say what you want about the A770 but it has brought a whole new life to my having experience and FS 2020 looks amazing. So will see if this holds up to 2024.
The Fenix products are just breathtaking. No other developer in the MSFS market can compare to Fenix when it comes to 3D modelling and texturing.
yeah everything is a competition, good better best for the Xbox crowd
I just picked up a 9800X3D and the thing is an absolute beast.
I've had my i5-9600K / 2070 / 32 GB setup since 2018 and I'm looking forward to seeing how it performs with the new sim. I'm willing to upgrade in the next year or so but it really needs to make sense and have a noticeable result. The ultimate goal would be to finally test and use VR for flight simming in the future. I have a widescreen 3440 x 1440 display but it feels like a phone screen now.
I figured my system needs an upgrade, and the catalyst is the release of 2024. If I'm going to upgrade for 2024, I might as well get one now (had it for a month now) I can still use it for 2020. With my new setup (7950X3D, 4080S, 64GB DDR5) I can run FBW 380 (8K) at around 42-45fps for the most part, and around 30fps at poorly optimised addon airports. That's on Ultra 4K. Pretty happy with it! Whatever 2024 brings, I'm sure CPU optimisation will be had, but very interested to see what they did in the space of multithreading optimisation!
I had a chance to test tech alpha on my "beefy" PC - i7-8700, RTX 3070, 32GB, 1Gb internet - and I share your opinion that MSFS using CPU more effectively. I had less than 12 hours with it so did not come close to any deep comparison but my impression was it behave better than 2020 on my hardware.
Mmmm yes Keep calm and Carry on as I recall, being very good advice after looking at a whole new PC. Which is a humungous price these days, here in NZ. Only a few days to go here now. Thanks. Laurie. NZ.
This is a good video. Far better than most on this subject
- A software engineer
While it's true that we get more out of MSFS using a high-end CPU rather than a high-end GPU, for the ultimate MSFS experience I'd recommend considering a VR headset (like the Pimax Crystal Light). It's amazing. For that you do want a really good GPU. If someone is just starting to think about hardware upgrades, I'd wait for nVidia to release their new 50xx series GPUs. Then either purchase a second hand 4080 or go for the 50xx series.
Been considering upgrading. I've got a Ryzen 7 3700 and an RTX 3070, so well in the recommended specs. I've got 32Gb RAM, but it's pretty slow by today's standards (DDR4-3200MHz, downgraded to 3000MHz due to stability issues). Will wait and see what the performance is like before making a decision. MSFS2020 is quite playable for me at the moment, although I'm running at 1080p and some detail levels turned down, but VR performance is baaaaad! Lowest detail settings I get reasonable enough frame rates, but very jerky motion when I turn my head.
You should be fine with a 180-dollar CPU upgrade with that config. Probably 5700X3Ds are the best value nowadays for the AM4 platform.
Excellent. Advice. I'll also wait for msfs 2024 to be released and see if they do like dcs with the multithread update.
I had multi-core performance issues fixed in DCS (another flight sim also demanding on hardware) by unparking my CPU cores (using Quick CPU). You may already have tested it, but in case... Very effective. Could be a good subject for your channel (if not already done, sorry for my comment if that's the case).
As currently an Xbox user looking to switch to pc - how much should I expect to spend on a new pc that will be able to run it at a similar output to that on Xbox (better would be good but not after ultra high graphics, been happy with my Xbox experience). Usually use it for commercial airline flights and would like to try add one such as GSX and vatsim
I remember times when I bought new games for my pc every now and then...
...nowadays it seems like I have to buy a new pc for every new game released.
Let's not forget to use lossless scaling if needed
i have I9 14900 K, RTX 4090, M.2 980 PRO 2TB, 128 GB RAM GSKILL F5-6800, the sim (FS 2020), on ultra runs ~ 80 fps on 3440x1440 (240Hz) monitor. I'm wondering if FS 2024 can run at 80 fps. Wait, now flying a Cessna 172 in thunderstorm Nvidia app shoes 186 FPS, when i was flying the FlyBywire A320 was 80 fps in crowded area. I will probably not need and AMD proc. About VR i'm very curious, the best sim for VR was Xplane 11, FS 2020 was not even close, lets see how 2024 develops. The VR is a Valve Index.
Great video, thank you! I totally agree with you. I have i9-9900k with 32gb RAM and 3080ti. I'm considering upgrading CPU + obviously the motherboard and RAM. I'm generally happy with performance of 2020 on ultra now, though heavy payware airports and FSTL traffic becomes super challenging sometimes. I'm targeting 4k and 30-50 fps. Wondering if the 7800X3D or Intel's Core Ultra 9 285k will be enough or should I spend more on the newest 9800X3D. So hard to decide, so hard to wait :) But "wait" is the right choice at the moment.
I upgraded 2 years ago (i913900k/rtx4090/32Gb 6400 ram/z790mb/1000w psu) and this continues to work great for me (mainly PCVR). Sounds like there isn't going to be the need to do any further upgrades for msfs2024. Maybe I'll be able to ride things out until nvidia rtx6000 series gpu's are released in 2-3 years, lol!
I have a 4090 and 7900x in my build. Just hope I can get 1440p 60+ fps. Going to be upgrading to an x3d chip sometime soon so I can get that sweet 3d v cache. So pumped to pull my flight yoke back out and have some aeronautical shenanigans.
On another note, don't you lose clarity when you enable frame gen? You mean DLSS?
One factor I’ve never seen discussed is multiple monitors. I have a main 4k display screen up on the wall. But then a couple of touch screens dor pop out instruments, charting, and a windows desktop. Are these low-demand extra screens a burden for the GPU?
I feel confident that the X3D will beat the non-X3D cpus hands down. I have the 7800X3D, and am considering the 9800X3D (my son can have the old).
RTX 5090 Ryzen 9 1440p 120hz display 4x 16gb RAM sticks 280 quid for the aviator edition ❤
I found a lot info recommending using 2 ram sticks instead of 4 for speed and stability. Take a look before buying.
The developers said a minimum of a 12 core processor is needed for high-quality play. So that's interesting. I am waiting for real word data.
I have a ryzen 7900x and rtx 3090. I'll be waiting for 9800x3d benchmarks on the game. Maybe more cores are key here now the game utalizes all cores now. Maybe more cores = better preformance?
Will see how the new Nvidia cards will be once released in January. I'm in no hurry but want to get into vr soonish so I'm just waiting to see what hardware is best.
Im running i9-9900k, RTX 2080ti and 32gb ram so I'll run it and see. Probably need to upgrade the processor (1170 socket) to 12900k and graphics (RTX4080 out of my price range so will have to compromise) and in doing so may as well throw in another 32 gb ram, we'll see.
Thanks for the video. I have a 5800X3D with 32GB RAM and an RTX 3080Ti. CPU struggles a bit at busy airports in 1440p, but generally OK. I'm hoping that it will still be good for MSFS 2024. At some point I'll build a 9800X3D with 64GB RAM as well (and maybe a 4080), but if I can lose the CPU bottleneck by it using more cores, that would be ideal!
Same specs here.
I'll probably get a 9950X3D, and 64gb, and leave my 3080ti untouched. I run mostly PMDG737 and Fenix A320. I guess the 9950X3D might handle these study-level aircraft while being at complex airports much better than the 9800X3D. Just a guess. Still need to wait for the release of MSFS2024.
I tested the tech alpha on a 5950x/4090 it ran smoother than MSFS and I saw 99% on the GPU!
I want to play at 7680x2160, ultra settings.
The only question is whether 9950X3D will beat the 9800X3D, is it more frequency or core dependent?
My hunch is the 9800X3D will remain king until the next generation.
Thanks so much for making this video seriously
I will test the waters first before I go and upgrade it. It might turn out my pc I have now will be okay with it
I’m already building a new pc for Christmas because why not .
9800X3D, MSI X870E carbon wifi mobo, 64GB of ram and my existing RTX4090.
Should run MSFS2024 just fine
Perfect video, like always. Thank you
What GPU would you recommend for VR as well as ultra wide monitor using a high end VR headset? Upcoming 5090?
4070 ti super, 4080 super are easy recommendations. 7900xtx too. 4090 and whatever the 5090 ends up being are overkill
I upgraded to 5700X3D and 32 GB of RAM, and I'm saving up for an RX 7800 XT for Christmas
No one should be buying anything until FS2024 is out and we see how the new code for core utilisation, that’s different to FS2020, is with higher core count CPU’s AND the 9900x3D and 9950x3D is out.
The reason is the higher core count 9000x3D chips are supposed to have cache for both CCD’s unlike previous generations so there won’t be the issue that previous x3D gen’s had, though if you used multiple background programs like so many of us do with flight sims and used Process Lasso to set what programs use what CCD the multi CCD chips could still offer slight better performance than the single CCD 800 chip.
So, the smart move is not to rush out and buy a 9800x3D chip right now thinking it’s definitely going to be the best performing chip in FS2024, but to hold your horses till the other two chips are out and see how they compare.
I have a Ryzen 7 5800x system with 16 gigs of RAM and an RTX 3060. How would that run on high settings and the fenix/pmdg/ifly/FBW aircraft along with a payware airport here and there?
My old PC won't even be able to load this game. I'm going to buy the AMD Ryzen 9, RTX 4090, 32GB RAM.
Guys, what do you think about my setup? Is it enough for the new one?
- AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
- Zotac RTX 4070 Super
- 64gb Crucial 3200mhz DDR4
- Samsung NVMe 990 Pro 2TB
It depends on the plane and scenery but I get between 40-120 fps on Mid-high settings on the current sim
As he said: we can't know yet
Considering your current performance you should be fine
currently rocking a 5900X, RTX 3080, 32 Gigs of RAM and playing at 1440p. For the most part, i'm happy with my performance, but if Microsoft really get multithreading working porpperly it will be huge, because my GPU is only utilized like 40-60% because of the main thread limiting...
Try unparking your CPU cores with a tool like Quick CPU. Loads of videos on the topic on YT. Helped me a lot with Digital Combat Simulator.
That cpu limiting thing really gives me flashbacks to the PS3 where developers where just too lazy to develop the game to correctly use all cores and instead just ported everything over from the Xbox version thus having a much worse looking and running game on the much more potent hardware. I’m to this day shocked that adobo/microsoft even when fs2020 was still in development didn’t manage to program it right away so that it used multi cores efficiently. I mean, even when fs2020 was still in early development, multi cores and games not using it correctly was already a thing
Try unparking your CPU cores with a tool like Quick CPU. Loads of videos on the topic on YT. Helped me a lot with Digital Combat Simulator.
@@Glubok Tweaking around with it, I got a slightly better performance and quicker initial loading of my sim. So thanks for your advice :)
@@xXshinichiconanXx3 Am glad for you man. When it comes to flight sim every bit of perf matters. Enjoy your flights.
Im going VR 4K each eye. I imagine the RTX 5090 should handle it. Ill give my 3080ti a shot at it first. From watching reviews i can already tell im gonna need to upgrade.
So will my AMD RYZEN 7 7800X3D and RTX 4070TI Super be enough to at least run it at 40FPS at 1440p at high settings?
I am really hoping frame gen is a feature in MSFS2024, I very recently picked up an RTX 3050 and I hope this will allow me to play MSFS2024 at reasonable performace...
Best tips I can give are: Buy a 4TB NVME SSD (fastest loading times), get 64GB ram (32GB is really not enough), use a RTX 3070 or better and core i7-9700k or better. This is for high/ultra settings
3070 and i7 9700k aren’t touching 4k, so anything above 32gb ram just for this is ridiculous
😂
And don't forget to unpark your CPU cores (it was very effective for me in DCS, the game ran smoother after that).
i just got an i9 13900ks at a great price hope it holds up just need a better gpu
I was going to get a whole new pc but i have a 3060, i5 9400f and 16gb ram and i could run the alpha absolutely fine on ultra settings at 1080p
So looking forward to it. Hope my AMD Ryzen 5800X3D and Radeon 6700XT is good enough
You also need about 32GB of RAM to run this game properly. 16GB is minimal.
I think my Rtx 4060, 5800x3d and 32gbs for 1080p should be fine for msfs 2024 and i shouldn't need to upgrade especially with multithreading coming
What's the difference between AMD 7900 XTX upscaling and Nvidia RTX4080 Super DLSS?
Hey, RX7900XT-Owner here 😅 The main differences are in my humble opinion the quality and the accsessability. FSR3 and the Framegen is ok for example in games like Avatar or Cyberpunk but its too unprecise an not as perfect as DLSS and Nvidea-Framegen. The main Problem is that its not implemented in the most games.
The AMD-Card has enourmus raw power and i can play with TAA on avererage 60 FPS on an 7800x3d but only at normal airports 😅 the processor is the bottlenek as for RTX-Users. Hope they fix this this time 💪🏼 Just ask if you have any additional questions 😊
I have amd ryzen 7800x3d with 64g ram 6400 rtx 4070it super. I feel good about this build 💪🏅
I have a 5800x, 16 gigs and a 3060. Hooping to get myself a 4070 series card possibly for christmas
Right now I'm going with a 9800X3D with 64 GB 6400MT/s CL28 RAM with a 4090. I want 8300 MT/s RAM, but CUDIMM RAM is not compatible with AMD just yet. I mainly do 4K and 6K.
I'm going to sit on what I have: 12700K / 3080TI / 32GB RAM, and see what comes when the sim is out next week. The good thing is, if I do find that I need to upgrade you can get pretty much the recommended rig (14700 / 4080 / 64) for about the same as what I got this for 2 years ago. And with the RTX 50-series coming out soon and Black Friday coming up (after US Thanksgiving), if I need to update I feel like I will be able to.
I am using a 12700k with a 3090 at the moment, but managed to get a 9800x3d. Intel just using more power and less results. Looking forward to the install this week and seeing how it performs.
Will a 1660 super work
I have 128gb of ram 7950X3D and a 4090 do I need to upgrade?
No, your PC can handle this game.
9900x with 4080Super OR 9800x3d with 4070 Ti Super for 4k playing? (they both similar price)
4080 Super with 9800x3d
The CPU degrade issue is solved by bios updates. So intel is still a good option if you buy a new PC.
We hope!
my problem isn’t my pc as much as it is my internet.
8950x3d if it comes out? Surely!
The game probably won't run smoothly for quite a while so everyone has time I believe.
I have a i7-4770K. Is that barely enough for MSFS2024 or do i need a better CPU? If I compare the two I dont see a big difference apart of the minimum CPU being just aroung 10% better
It is 4 cores and 8 threads, that is 33% less cores than min spec, plus the DDR3 RAM will be a lot slower than the DDR4 in the min spec CPU's.
The 4770k is going to be very slow. It was a good cpu when it came out, but that was in 2013, over 10 years ago. The 4770k has difficulty with msfs 2020, the 1% lows and stuttering is bad. You might be able to get it to run, but framerates will be bad at almost any resolution. Limited by main thread.
I just upgraded from a 4770 equivalent. I got a 5700x3d for 140 dollars on aliexpress, and the difference is night and day. The weakest cpu I would start with is a r5 5600, which can be found around 100 dollars used.
The easy answer is upgrade. The real answer is no one knows until MSFS2024 is out. What gpu will you be using
Try unparking your CPU cores before upgrading. Maybe you can scrap a little perf by doing this.
GREAT VIDEO!!
will i be ok in msfs 2024 with an RTX 4060 32gb ram i5 13400f and on 1440p? thanks
Yes, your PC can handle this game.
I will play it in QHD with no issue with my 7600X Oced and my 4070Super Oced with 32gb ram. Easy peasy.
CPU or gpu limited? Thinking about buying 4070 super 7700x or 7900x for 1440p, but maybe when it’s playable with lower grade parts I can save money
@daanjansen1949 if you are talking about gpu I woukd say 4070super is the best choice at 1440p, otherwise 7800XT. Cpu wise 7600X or 7700X depending if you need to do multitasking or game only. Of course the 7800x3d would be the best, but the price gone up to the moon because It will be replaced by the 9800X3D. Forget Intel 13th and 14th gen because that platform can't be upgraded.
How do I spread the bottleneck so it’s not using one core? Thanks
Try unparking your CPU cores with a tool like Quick CPU. Loads of videos on the topic on YT. Helped me a lot with Digital Combat Simulator.
Thank you
I have a 4060 and my pc keeps freezing
You need a CPU, RAM, PSU and mobo as well.
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@@ScruffyMisguidedAndBlue lmfao 💀
I have a 3060 I'll be happy with 30
And my dad has a Ferrari 360.
5700x3d best option.
I also run a 5800x3d and 4090. I upgraded my RAM from 32 to 64 GB.
Sorry I am not well up of PC Hardware...But I can not understand Microsoft...You would of thought with the vast amount of money they have they would of bought six PC's with the spec they say and tested them and let us mortals know what the results are...Why the mystery do they not test their product?
I reckon it would put a lot of people off buying the game if they were brutally honest in the published system requirements. The average player has a PC with an RTX3060 graphics card (* according to Steam player surveys), if the published system requirements state that a greater graphics card is required to run the game with basic settings, a majority segment of the market would be sceptical they can run it. Casual players with mid range hardware are by far the majority of the market for any game, including flight sim.
Can't wait to deal with all the people buying 7950X3D, 9950X3Ds etc and wondering why the 7800 and 9800 are shredding them in FPS... people, do your research, for the love of god.
Core parking has been sorted sometime ago. The 7950x3d, etc will be brilliant.
@@mariusvanvuuren4983 I played the alpha. on a 3900x, a 10850k, and a 7800X3D, those are the 3 CPUs I have in my home. What did you test on?
I found that the game didn't use more than 8 cores on any CPU, or even more than 6 cores in most cases. the 800X3Ds will still beat the 950s for the first year or more imo
@@mariusvanvuuren4983 I played the alpha. I ran it on a 3900x, a 10850k, and a 7800X3D. What did you test it on?
Regardless of whether or not you've tested or are just pulling words out of thin air, core parking is not the issue. The problem is that 3d V cache is only on a single chiplet in the 7950. This means that at absolute best, if the sim is multithreaded perfectly and somehow uses all 8 cores, you're still just a 7800X3D with worse clock speed and thermals. The second set of cores are completely useless in games, just as they are with Intel CPUs.
Just built my new rig, i7 14700k, RTX 4080 super, 64GB ddr5 Corsair Vengeanxe ram at 6000mhz. 2 SSD 4 TB Samsung drives. Didn’t go for the 4090 as it is still just too expensive but my power unit is capable of running it for the future!
I just built basically the same rig. I somehow trusted Microsoft with their recommendations. The 98003xd was tempting but like it was said in the video, the fact that MS did not mentioned a x3d CPU in their optimal specs can’t be a coincidence…