F-14 RWR: _[Here you go pilot! I've carefully named every plane, model, and direction out for you, letting you know exactly what you need to watch out for!]_ F4S RWR: _[uhhhhh High]...[uhhhHhhHhh Low]....[the hell is that, fuck it, mystery plane (???)]...[SAM]...[Fuck if I know dude good luck]...[Oh hey a launch!]_ *Explodes*
There still is some pretty interesting issues concerning RWRs. For exemple, and I haven’t been able to reproduce this due to a lack of friends, but when a mirage 2000 launch a r530d, it might sometimes not render as M2K as it should, but just becomes a question mark until he stops guiding the missile. I saw it happen 3 or 4 times in total I think.
I am still a little bit sour that my bug report on the AN/ALR-56M for the F-16 got marked as "fixed" while it is still missing the C and D band coverage. Doesn't matter much, but being able to detect rolands before they lock you up or shoot a missile at you is kinda nice...
Yeah seems like it's pretty difficult to get them to fix RWR stuff. The F-4J and F-4S have the wrong RWR and it's a very straightforward fix but they won't do it
Best video of this kind on youtube,very useful and filled with hard to find information. I hope youll keep making vids about rwrs if more significant updates will drop
Excellent video Jaek, getting rid of the jazz was a good move hahaha. I love that your videos are concise, and straight to the point with no fluff, and full of information!
there actually is an in-game guide on RWR which i managed to discover by complete accident; entering the "help" menu (via esc menu or f1) and going onto aircraft or helicopters allows you to see RWR types under the RWR sub-page, as well as the indicator meanings through the "RWR Threat Types" button in the bottom right
The F1 is very funny this patch. If you are unspotted and lock someone, very often they just turn cold expecting a Sparrow from the “F4”. Which allows you to fire an AIM9P and watch them try to notch it 😂
I like how rdr shows a warning from a cold aspect ally and a missile warnings also from allies shooting a missile at enemies completely in different direction. I think that shouldn't happen xD
@@m1sz3lpl24 yup, it detects a waves, but the ones hitting the vehicle itself. Understanding how a pulse doppler radar works explains why it shouldn't happen and why the vehicle going in front of us in the same direction shouldn't be picked up and alarmed as a threat ;) To many information is as bad as no information at all because I just start notching allied missile shot at the totally different direction making me out of combat until I realize it was friendly F16 and not an enemy F16 -.- I always get a better score not looking at rdr at all now and going brainded at ground lvl where pd sarh missile goes dumb even with strong lock, while it also should't happen, but it's wt top tier so just an arcade with 1 respawn now
How does the new rwr react to tws? It often feels like, that the other players don’t react to a tws scan (and even soft lock), even if you are the last one on your team and they have to search for you.
It might be the enemy team not being able to distinguish your nail from friendlies. TWS won't trigger any warnings even when locked so they can't easily pinpoint you
They did put the F-20 in the F18 group, but its radar isn't the F-18 radar and as far as I know they have nothing in common IRL so I'm not sure why grouped them together like that. But for now, F18 can only be an Italian AV8 or an F20.
Very well dont mate. I'm going to watch t his 4 times in a row just because it was such a well put together project. Well, that and its hard to catch every detail while I'm trying to avoid being shot down on my other screen ;). Super informative though, highly educational and will become a definitive resource..... until they add more stuff.... again, but it'll be easy to update. 07 07
Jaek, a bit of unrelated topic but have you also realised the tomfoolery surrounding radar missiles atm? Started happening to me like 2-3 days ago after a patch dropped My 27ER's would just phase through the target that is flying high and towards me. That's just complete horse excrement. People started to notice lately too, I've been telling everyone about it but they'd just go off about how they've killed someone with them. What about you? Have you experienced anything similar?
Yes. I've had radar missiles blatantly not fuse on a target they absolutely should have killed. I haven't had the bug where you can't launch them but I know that's a common issue right now. On top of that I played some lower tier matches and I had serious issues with targets not getting spotted (not only the nametags but also the dots, a b29 was completely invisible until 6km). Game just feels slightly wrong recently.
@@jaek_898 Man. That's rough. Hopefully Gaijin is aware of the issue because as you mentioned, it's probably something going on with proxy fuse. I also have an issue that I had forever, my radar missiles' seeker would just turn itself off when I turn it on to engage someone. Super annoying in close ranges where I need to send one off quickly. These problems build up and make things even more frustrating than they already are.
Custom localization, check description. Ill have to update my github because gaijin added an option in the menu to turn custom localization on which makes installing easier
G'day, Ohh well that was an extremely helpful video, Thx for this and I'll probably write a bit of this down, Seems the subreddit might need to pin this video as there's often a post asking for the bloody F-18 (uurgh why can't people just use the search bar over asking the same thing in post? For five minutes). I think it's Kuban in +8.7 RB AF that has proper NF targets so if you end up on that map somehow (not seen it in a few months) you will run into the radar of the Baltimore class Heavy Cruiser which yeah can hit aircraft as far back as the auxiliary airfields heh... Then there's the maps that have Aircraft Carriers/ Aviation Cruisers which you may get in a blue moon so that's another spot for naval radars. But yes you'd be right needing to be in a CB to see all naval radars since I don't believe there's an 7.0/.3 aircraft with RWR yet.
That's the ARI23333, I forgot to include that in the first video but it's like the 18238 and ALR-45 in that it only has a couple texts that it can show. It used to be "friendly" which really meant western (so NATO radars usually) but I think they removed the friendly groups a few days ago
Wondering if it was worth touching on detection of radio command emissions to SAM launches or not (if it actually works like Gaijin said it would). Unless I missed it in your previous vid.
I tested a couple of them on the dev server and it seemed to behave how they said it would in the devblog. But I cant tell exactly what makes the RWR detect launches by looking at the files and I dont have all the SAM systems so I cant test them
(not because i was trolling) i killed him above his runway after he survived an engine fire i set in his f14 and that made him mad and me "thirsty" somehow, told him mobius wouldn't run lol after the match he messaged me saying "you wouldn't win a 1v1 f*g"
Just asking because I am curious. The AShm (AS34) on Tornado IDS would trigger RWR when it was released. Did they remove this feature or can I somehow misleading the enemy that there is a AIM-54 flying slow as hell? Edit: I just test it and yes it can. Also it will also trigger my own tornado's RWR as a MLS identification with launch warning so I assume everyone gets the rwr warning from the Ashm. Probably not a good idea to take it even for fun, it will just confuse your teammate more than your enemy.
Just a question, may I know which SAMs system will trigger the Missile Launch warning? Or what the criteria are. I’m aware that ADATS and ASRAD won’t trigger the RWR’s missile launch warning. And I’m also confused about the Harrier Gr 7’s RWR at times it is showing AIf PDf etc
Their devblog only lists Roland, Volna, Tor, and Tunguska. Harrier GR7's RWR is unique, I forgot to include it but it should have been part of the last video. It's one of the rwrs that shows text on the display, but it only has a couple texts it can show. AIf was "air intercept, friendly" and included western radars, PDf was "pulse doppler, friendly" and included western pulse-doppler radars. But they removed the "f" groups recently.
I don't know if it's a bug or not but now in Sim Battles the F-4 radar doesn't pick up ANYTHING. Friendly or Enemy. Not sure if that's because it can't pick up the "band" or not but I'm pretty sure it's a bug because there is no way in HELL the F-4 Phantom RWR can't pick up radar signals from literally anything. It works in RB so why not Sim? I tried multiple matches with both the F-4J and F-4S and the RWR was completely silent even when MiG-29 were launching radar missiles at me.
@@jaek_898 AN/ALR-45, used by post fix navy Phantoms as well F-14A and A6E doesn't detect PD radars in Sim either. At least it covers J band to help in RB? It is also reason why many contacts appear as "?". Keep in mind SB have both Band and Radar Mode limitations, RB only Band, AB have none.
I'd rather like to know, why in the hell is my RWR showing my teammate infront of me locking someone else and showing me locking and launching warnings... Can someone explain why my RWR behaves like i have an AWACS flying over me? I'm even detecting enemies locking up someone else and getting launch warnings for it
Basically radars don't emit nice clean beams of energy, theres sidelobes and backlobes and a bunch of other stuff I don't understand. That is all modeled in war thunder. The problem is the RWRs are WAY too sensitive sometimes and will pick up just about everything. I think they just need to be tuned.
It didn't used to be like this but the devs changed it so that ANY signal that you receive that is strong enough to guide an SARH missile, sets off the RWR. Before this change, it was for instance possible to get hit by SARH missiles without getting an RWR lock, because the main lock was focused on chaff or another target for instance. So it's a double edged sword, it's helpful in some circumstances but an annoyance otherwise. Anyways, back to your original question. Are you familiar with how light, or rather electro magnetic waves behave? Well, if no, in short like waves in water. As a result you can't really make a perfect a very thin beam of energy. The main radar beam's width is about 2.5-4.5° in WT, so you can kinda compare it to your IR missile FoV in terms of coverage, and this is only the half strength width, so there is some illumination still outside of this range, but it falls off pretty fast. Additionally to this, creating such a big focused beam creates a lot of unwanted sideproducts called sidelobes. This is a product of the constructive (and destructive) interference of the radiowaves your radar produces. Most notable sidelobes are the one that surround the main beam, ones that cover your direct sides (around 90 degrees from the radar's front direction) and one pointing directly to the rear of the radar (referred to as the backlobe). These have some significant power still behind them, in WT apparently enough to guide SARHs so they trigger your RWR as well. I'd need to run some calculations to estimate to what range these sidelobes are effective for (be it triggering RWR, or missile guidance). But they should be in the order of 100 to 1000 times weaker than the main lobe. But since the main lobe usually can brightly light up a target at some nearing 100km range or more, these sidelobes can do that as well for several kilometers. Nice solution, which Gaijin still hasn't implemented, is to just turn OFF friendly radar pings. Or at least give the option to turn it off dynamically. It's just distracting as hell.
@@Wotplaya4 Yeah, the Kifr radar's backlobe is absolutely UNREAL, i've been "locked" by one that was 20km in front of me when he was facing away from me. And I was getting 'locked" by a tornado GR1 in the same situation when he was 30km away and we were traveling away from each other... It's cool that they model this stuff but sometimes I wonder if a simpler approach would have been better for gameplay as well as saving development time
@@Wotplaya4 I get what you are saying, my problem was that i'm getting RWR pinged in instances where it should be literally impossible. ex. enemy Mig 29 to my left, 90° from my position about 5 clicks away, facing/flying away from me and locking up someone infront of him, is giving me RWR warnings about him locking me up and getting launch warnings. I know the modern RWR's can be more sensitive, but it can't just straight up be misinforming me/giving false alarms this often. It's happening both on friendlies and enemy aircraft. Like you said yourself it has about 2.5-4.5 degree beam, which in those cases is nowhere near me when he is facing away from me. And it was possible to get hit by SARH missile without getting the RWR ping exactly because of the beam not facing the aircraft. Right now if your radar is even locked onto a single enemy plane far away from it's group, the rest of the group will get RWR warnings as well.
@@Panocek as far as I know the radars are functional identical. The difference is in their airframes as the ML doesn't get wing slats so it pulls less AOA
Look at the upload date lol Im going to make a new video but basically they added some of the new planes to the rwr (F15, Su27) but forgot others (gripen, mirage 4000)
@@Mikkel281 The N001 (su27 radar) is not the same as the N019 and N010 (mig29 radars), but western rwrs still show it as MiG29. Since the N001 is a new radar in wt, if they wouldnt have added it to the threat table it would be showing up as a question mark.
I just hate the MiG-21 RWR, is so inconsistent in simulator I always get one tapped from radar missiles without having a clue that i am being tracked And when i do know that i am being tracked is so hard to understand from where since it has only 4 target directions 😅
@@a_catfish5180 i'm actually planning on making another one because i've learned so much more about RWRs and the more I learn the deeper the iceberg goes For example, F-15A being undetectable by russian jets in sim (should be fixed tomorrow) And gaijin makes no effort whatsoever to explain anything beyond the absolute basics....
@@jaek_898 I’ll raise and say that I doubt gaijin know what they’re doing all the time… jokes aside the most painful part is like you said how inconsistent it is I’m genuinely unsure about teammates triggering your rwr because sometimes I swear I should get more pings from my teammates (or they all just turned off radar) and sometimes I get pinged by my team constantly and or randomly Wasn’t friendly rwr triggers removed at one point and now is back? Does it work on the same basis as iff even if that doesn’t really make sense?
@@a_catfish5180 it's on a per-rwr basis. If your RWR has IFF (most newer ones do), teammate radars get filtered out. Older RWRs usually don't have IFF. Radar IFF and RWR IFF are completely separate.
time to commit major tom foolery at 12.3 with the new gained knowledge that the M247 uses an F-16's radar
Gonna do this tonight LMAO
Same
You mean the f16 uses an M247 radar haha
@@hippyhebrewhomestead8593technically the f16 started development first
@@runnrway3359 ah, I didn’t know that
F-14 RWR: _[Here you go pilot! I've carefully named every plane, model, and direction out for you, letting you know exactly what you need to watch out for!]_
F4S RWR: _[uhhhhh High]...[uhhhHhhHhh Low]....[the hell is that, fuck it, mystery plane (???)]...[SAM]...[Fuck if I know dude good luck]...[Oh hey a launch!]_ *Explodes*
Fun fact: the otomatic tacking radar also uses a K band, so all fixed wing aircraft can’t detect you :)
I like how the RWR update comes at a time of heatseekers take over the meta leaving it almost irrelevant
Testing it for when fox 3s come into the game
meta may be spamming 9M and R73, but dont forget that most US toptier is spamming Aim-7M/F and russia is throwing R-27
There still is some pretty interesting issues concerning RWRs. For exemple, and I haven’t been able to reproduce this due to a lack of friends, but when a mirage 2000 launch a r530d, it might sometimes not render as M2K as it should, but just becomes a question mark until he stops guiding the missile. I saw it happen 3 or 4 times in total I think.
I just checked and it does look like they forgot to add the Mirage 2000 when it's in CW mode to the M2K group. So that sounds about right
how does jaek always cook up the quality vids
He's a chef.
Jeeeez... the amount of effort you put into your videos is remarkable! Incredibly informative Video! Thanks a lot!
I am still a little bit sour that my bug report on the AN/ALR-56M for the F-16 got marked as "fixed" while it is still missing the C and D band coverage. Doesn't matter much, but being able to detect rolands before they lock you up or shoot a missile at you is kinda nice...
Yeah seems like it's pretty difficult to get them to fix RWR stuff. The F-4J and F-4S have the wrong RWR and it's a very straightforward fix but they won't do it
Great and informative video jaek, spreading this to educate the masses!
Just as I got home this video released. Godlike timing there Jaek.
Best video of this kind on youtube,very useful and filled with hard to find information. I hope youll keep making vids about rwrs if more significant updates will drop
jaek cooking stream when
Excellent video Jaek, getting rid of the jazz was a good move hahaha. I love that your videos are concise, and straight to the point with no fluff, and full of information!
Fantastic work - Gaijin needs this included in the Wiki
This explained a lot, thanks for sharing your expertise!
there actually is an in-game guide on RWR which i managed to discover by complete accident;
entering the "help" menu (via esc menu or f1) and going onto aircraft or helicopters allows you to see RWR types under the RWR sub-page, as well as the indicator meanings through the "RWR Threat Types" button in the bottom right
That talks about threat lights but they never made a page for digital RWRs
Important video.
So for Heli radars the Chinese Z-19 is currently missing? A lot of people forget that the tech tree version has a radar.
Yes, it shows up as a qusetion mark. Same for the new radars including JL-10A
The F-16C picks up the Pantsir-S1 track radar from my experience
The F1 is very funny this patch. If you are unspotted and lock someone, very often they just turn cold expecting a Sparrow from the “F4”. Which allows you to fire an AIM9P and watch them try to notch it 😂
Just finished the vid really helpful
U can make video about - Every France missile?
Yes, waiting on gaijin to get my test drives since im missing the R511 but hopefully I can get that video done this month
Nah bro that off centre F18 realy stings the eye
Thanks a lot for the vid chief ! :D
M28 is obviously for the infamous MiG-28
I like how rdr shows a warning from a cold aspect ally and a missile warnings also from allies shooting a missile at enemies completely in different direction. I think that shouldn't happen xD
Why not? It detects a radio wave and tells you about it, there is nothing complicated about it
@@m1sz3lpl24 yup, it detects a waves, but the ones hitting the vehicle itself. Understanding how a pulse doppler radar works explains why it shouldn't happen and why the vehicle going in front of us in the same direction shouldn't be picked up and alarmed as a threat ;) To many information is as bad as no information at all because I just start notching allied missile shot at the totally different direction making me out of combat until I realize it was friendly F16 and not an enemy F16 -.- I always get a better score not looking at rdr at all now and going brainded at ground lvl where pd sarh missile goes dumb even with strong lock, while it also should't happen, but it's wt top tier so just an arcade with 1 respawn now
How does the new rwr react to tws? It often feels like, that the other players don’t react to a tws scan (and even soft lock), even if you are the last one on your team and they have to search for you.
It might be the enemy team not being able to distinguish your nail from friendlies. TWS won't trigger any warnings even when locked so they can't easily pinpoint you
Now that the F-20A Tigershark is out, that also uses the F-18 radar
They did put the F-20 in the F18 group, but its radar isn't the F-18 radar and as far as I know they have nothing in common IRL so I'm not sure why grouped them together like that. But for now, F18 can only be an Italian AV8 or an F20.
Very well dont mate. I'm going to watch t his 4 times in a row just because it was such a well put together project. Well, that and its hard to catch every detail while I'm trying to avoid being shot down on my other screen ;). Super informative though, highly educational and will become a definitive resource..... until they add more stuff.... again, but it'll be easy to update. 07
07
What do you think about the new defenseless airbases in air rb which are closer to the middle?
THANK YOU for calling it the Fighting Falcon. It's actual name and not the nickname everyone calls it.
But viper sounds cooler
@@GipsyDanger41it doesnt though.
@@quan-uo5wsit do
I mean… the F16 is called both the fighting Falcon and the Viper.
i love it that im watching it and ill propably never get to use this video bruh
Jaek, a bit of unrelated topic but have you also realised the tomfoolery surrounding radar missiles atm?
Started happening to me like 2-3 days ago after a patch dropped
My 27ER's would just phase through the target that is flying high and towards me.
That's just complete horse excrement.
People started to notice lately too, I've been telling everyone about it but they'd just go off about how they've killed someone with them.
What about you? Have you experienced anything similar?
Yes. I've had radar missiles blatantly not fuse on a target they absolutely should have killed. I haven't had the bug where you can't launch them but I know that's a common issue right now. On top of that I played some lower tier matches and I had serious issues with targets not getting spotted (not only the nametags but also the dots, a b29 was completely invisible until 6km). Game just feels slightly wrong recently.
Finally someone else who's noticed
@@jaek_898 Man. That's rough. Hopefully Gaijin is aware of the issue because as you mentioned, it's probably something going on with proxy fuse.
I also have an issue that I had forever, my radar missiles' seeker would just turn itself off when I turn it on to engage someone. Super annoying in close ranges where I need to send one off quickly.
These problems build up and make things even more frustrating than they already are.
@@jaek_898 earlier today I had an aim9l not fuse on an f14 flying in a straight line without flaring
6:36 how did you changed the nation symbol front of the vehicle?
Custom localization, check description. Ill have to update my github because gaijin added an option in the menu to turn custom localization on which makes installing easier
I like you bro keep up the good work
G'day,
Ohh well that was an extremely helpful video, Thx for this and I'll probably write a bit of this down, Seems the subreddit might need to pin this video as there's often a post asking for the bloody F-18 (uurgh why can't people just use the search bar over asking the same thing in post? For five minutes).
I think it's Kuban in +8.7 RB AF that has proper NF targets so if you end up on that map somehow (not seen it in a few months) you will run into the radar of the Baltimore class Heavy Cruiser which yeah can hit aircraft as far back as the auxiliary airfields heh... Then there's the maps that have Aircraft Carriers/ Aviation Cruisers which you may get in a blue moon so that's another spot for naval radars.
But yes you'd be right needing to be in a CB to see all naval radars since I don't believe there's an 7.0/.3 aircraft with RWR yet.
What does it mean if a radar detection shows an F affix (such as pdf, aif)
That's the ARI23333, I forgot to include that in the first video but it's like the 18238 and ALR-45 in that it only has a couple texts that it can show. It used to be "friendly" which really meant western (so NATO radars usually) but I think they removed the friendly groups a few days ago
Bands C-M 😏
Wondering if it was worth touching on detection of radio command emissions to SAM launches or not (if it actually works like Gaijin said it would). Unless I missed it in your previous vid.
I tested a couple of them on the dev server and it seemed to behave how they said it would in the devblog. But I cant tell exactly what makes the RWR detect launches by looking at the files and I dont have all the SAM systems so I cant test them
woah is the mobius one guy at the j35xs part of the video ur friend or a rando? that guy was malding at me in chat on pyrenees the other day
(not because i was trolling) i killed him above his runway after he survived an engine fire i set in his f14 and that made him mad and me "thirsty" somehow, told him mobius wouldn't run lol
after the match he messaged me saying "you wouldn't win a 1v1 f*g"
Just asking because I am curious. The AShm (AS34) on Tornado IDS would trigger RWR when it was released. Did they remove this feature or can I somehow misleading the enemy that there is a AIM-54 flying slow as hell?
Edit: I just test it and yes it can. Also it will also trigger my own tornado's RWR as a MLS identification with launch warning so I assume everyone gets the rwr warning from the Ashm. Probably not a good idea to take it even for fun, it will just confuse your teammate more than your enemy.
Just a question, may I know which SAMs system will trigger the Missile Launch warning? Or what the criteria are.
I’m aware that ADATS and ASRAD won’t trigger the RWR’s missile launch warning.
And I’m also confused about the Harrier Gr 7’s RWR at times it is showing AIf PDf etc
Their devblog only lists Roland, Volna, Tor, and Tunguska.
Harrier GR7's RWR is unique, I forgot to include it but it should have been part of the last video. It's one of the rwrs that shows text on the display, but it only has a couple texts it can show. AIf was "air intercept, friendly" and included western radars, PDf was "pulse doppler, friendly" and included western pulse-doppler radars. But they removed the "f" groups recently.
Gigachad radar rwr guide ❤
I am REALLY confused when CTRL radar lock on me. thinking what kind vehicle is that then the next second is i am dead. thank you for the video!!
What does the tech tree Z-19's radar show up as?
Question mark
more bands ARE in fact more better
I don't know if it's a bug or not but now in Sim Battles the F-4 radar doesn't pick up ANYTHING. Friendly or Enemy. Not sure if that's because it can't pick up the "band" or not but I'm pretty sure it's a bug because there is no way in HELL the F-4 Phantom RWR can't pick up radar signals from literally anything. It works in RB so why not Sim? I tried multiple matches with both the F-4J and F-4S and the RWR was completely silent even when MiG-29 were launching radar missiles at me.
APR-25 can not detect pulse doppler radars in sim. This wouldnt be an issue if F-4J/S had their correct APR-45 and APR-50 RWRs.
@@jaek_898 AN/ALR-45, used by post fix navy Phantoms as well F-14A and A6E doesn't detect PD radars in Sim either. At least it covers J band to help in RB? It is also reason why many contacts appear as "?".
Keep in mind SB have both Band and Radar Mode limitations, RB only Band, AB have none.
@@Panocek i believe they fixed the APR-45 after i made this video, id have to double check though.
@@jaek_898 Well, I've thrown F-4S into Sim and RWR haven't pinged once in 10v10 lobby, but I've found R27ER in the cockpit
you forgot to talk about the roland in the video
8:26
so Z19 will display as a question mark... or other things?
Question mark
Still no F-18 :c
but why can i detect the S1 on my Tornado IDS RWR ?
You can detect the search radar.
@@jaek_898 ah ok thanks for the info
She screams in silence
A sullen riot penetrating through her mind
Waiting for a sign to smash the silence with the brick of self-control
mig29 NERFED. 350KG added weight today. YEY!
Good, lol
Silly change though, with how good F16s are rn
I'd rather like to know, why in the hell is my RWR showing my teammate infront of me locking someone else and showing me locking and launching warnings...
Can someone explain why my RWR behaves like i have an AWACS flying over me?
I'm even detecting enemies locking up someone else and getting launch warnings for it
Basically radars don't emit nice clean beams of energy, theres sidelobes and backlobes and a bunch of other stuff I don't understand. That is all modeled in war thunder. The problem is the RWRs are WAY too sensitive sometimes and will pick up just about everything. I think they just need to be tuned.
It didn't used to be like this but the devs changed it so that ANY signal that you receive that is strong enough to guide an SARH missile, sets off the RWR. Before this change, it was for instance possible to get hit by SARH missiles without getting an RWR lock, because the main lock was focused on chaff or another target for instance. So it's a double edged sword, it's helpful in some circumstances but an annoyance otherwise.
Anyways, back to your original question. Are you familiar with how light, or rather electro magnetic waves behave? Well, if no, in short like waves in water. As a result you can't really make a perfect a very thin beam of energy. The main radar beam's width is about 2.5-4.5° in WT, so you can kinda compare it to your IR missile FoV in terms of coverage, and this is only the half strength width, so there is some illumination still outside of this range, but it falls off pretty fast. Additionally to this, creating such a big focused beam creates a lot of unwanted sideproducts called sidelobes. This is a product of the constructive (and destructive) interference of the radiowaves your radar produces. Most notable sidelobes are the one that surround the main beam, ones that cover your direct sides (around 90 degrees from the radar's front direction) and one pointing directly to the rear of the radar (referred to as the backlobe). These have some significant power still behind them, in WT apparently enough to guide SARHs so they trigger your RWR as well.
I'd need to run some calculations to estimate to what range these sidelobes are effective for (be it triggering RWR, or missile guidance). But they should be in the order of 100 to 1000 times weaker than the main lobe. But since the main lobe usually can brightly light up a target at some nearing 100km range or more, these sidelobes can do that as well for several kilometers.
Nice solution, which Gaijin still hasn't implemented, is to just turn OFF friendly radar pings. Or at least give the option to turn it off dynamically. It's just distracting as hell.
@@Wotplaya4 Yeah, the Kifr radar's backlobe is absolutely UNREAL, i've been "locked" by one that was 20km in front of me when he was facing away from me. And I was getting 'locked" by a tornado GR1 in the same situation when he was 30km away and we were traveling away from each other...
It's cool that they model this stuff but sometimes I wonder if a simpler approach would have been better for gameplay as well as saving development time
@@Wotplaya4 I get what you are saying, my problem was that i'm getting RWR pinged in instances where it should be literally impossible. ex.
enemy Mig 29 to my left, 90° from my position about 5 clicks away, facing/flying away from me and locking up someone infront of him, is giving me RWR warnings about him locking me up and getting launch warnings.
I know the modern RWR's can be more sensitive, but it can't just straight up be misinforming me/giving false alarms this often. It's happening both on friendlies and enemy aircraft.
Like you said yourself it has about 2.5-4.5 degree beam, which in those cases is nowhere near me when he is facing away from me.
And it was possible to get hit by SARH missile without getting the RWR ping exactly because of the beam not facing the aircraft.
Right now if your radar is even locked onto a single enemy plane far away from it's group, the rest of the group will get RWR warnings as well.
@@Wotplaya4 Thank youfor this good explanation.
does mig 21 F13 even have a radar now?
It has a radar gunsight, the same one the MiG-19S and Su-7 has iirc
@@jaek_898 ah thank you, may be coded differently then, likely an oversight
Cool
Day 2 of asking when mig 21 video
Hopefully this month along with mig23 video
@@jaek_898 Mig23 is something I'm curious myself, if there's difference between 23ML and 23MLD radars, as they are supposedly different
@@Panocek as far as I know the radars are functional identical. The difference is in their airframes as the ML doesn't get wing slats so it pulls less AOA
You forgot f15 and yes it does show up on radar trust me i should know
Look at the upload date lol
Im going to make a new video but basically they added some of the new planes to the rwr (F15, Su27) but forgot others (gripen, mirage 4000)
@@jaek_898 they didint add for su 27 it has the mig 29 radar
@@Mikkel281 The N001 (su27 radar) is not the same as the N019 and N010 (mig29 radars), but western rwrs still show it as MiG29. Since the N001 is a new radar in wt, if they wouldnt have added it to the threat table it would be showing up as a question mark.
@@jaek_898 yeah im flying the mirage 2000c-s4 so im just going off that
I just hate the MiG-21 RWR, is so inconsistent in simulator
I always get one tapped from radar missiles without having a clue that i am being tracked
And when i do know that i am being tracked is so hard to understand from where since it has only 4 target directions 😅
“F16 is for F-16. M29 is for MiG 29 🤓”
Are you serious right now?
I mean we all accept it but it is really funny how the game gives you random shit sometimes like hey here’s an RWR figure it out bozo
@@a_catfish5180 i'm actually planning on making another one because i've learned so much more about RWRs and the more I learn the deeper the iceberg goes
For example, F-15A being undetectable by russian jets in sim (should be fixed tomorrow)
And gaijin makes no effort whatsoever to explain anything beyond the absolute basics....
@@jaek_898 I’ll raise and say that I doubt gaijin know what they’re doing all the time… jokes aside the most painful part is like you said how inconsistent it is
I’m genuinely unsure about teammates triggering your rwr because sometimes I swear I should get more pings from my teammates (or they all just turned off radar) and sometimes I get pinged by my team constantly and or randomly
Wasn’t friendly rwr triggers removed at one point and now is back? Does it work on the same basis as iff even if that doesn’t really make sense?
@@a_catfish5180 it's on a per-rwr basis. If your RWR has IFF (most newer ones do), teammate radars get filtered out. Older RWRs usually don't have IFF. Radar IFF and RWR IFF are completely separate.