Update for the 2024 summer sale: The MiG-23ML has had its flight performance and radar considerably nerfed. It's still usable, but definitely not as good as it was at the time of this video's publishing.
@@gronke4202 One of the better ones, I've been told the multipath nerf helped it signifcantly (AIM-7F now more lethal). Havent found the time to play it this week though. I can recommend it at half price although personally I would go for the F-5C.
@@gronke4202 its very solid for sim being able to carry enough rocket to take out 2 bases as well as 8 total missiles with out sacrifising the ground ordenence so you can do anything you want in the battles
@@isaac000215 i agree that it can be worth it for veteran players due to it being slightly cheaper (approximetly 7,7k-10k GE to grind a techtree) and that you get to play a variety of vehicles, but the downside for newer players are that you get the a speed boost in research but not SL meaning that they will most likely run in to issues of not being able to afford said new vehicles
The spelling mistakes in my videos are clearly put there by design as easter eggs for my most devout viewers to find and are NOT because of my incompetance 😎Too late to reupload so I can't fix them unfortunately. Also before I get asked, xbox and playstation sales are impossible to predict because they're up to sony and microsoft so there's no way of knowing what goes on sale and when. PC sales happen in summer (around June/July), in November for WT's birthday, and for New Year in late December.
I’m stuck choosing between the f-5c and kfir canard. While i am in rank 5 US air, israel is quite small and is probably a similar amount of RP to top tier. I have all of sweden air so I’m used to delta wings and not gunfighting (better EEGS when?). However the US tree has so much variety and interesting aircraft that a small tech tree such as israel doesn’t really have. Also nice way to play off the spelling mistakes! Jk lol nice content!
@@j3zzaboii152 Although I cannot help you with your choice, I can say that Israel will receive python 4 and derpy in the near future on some future aircraft and even on existing ones (barak), so in perspective Israel will have better american planes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is some dang good content, I really like the clear, color-coded text in this and the other comparison/missile videos. It's probably a good thing that most of these are middling or 'good, with caveats' since they're gonna get spammed out like with every sale. I'm currently nursing a desire to get the Kfir Canard because I like its looks, style, and BR, but its firepower limitations (and the fact that I have zero Israeli vehicles in air or ground) prevent me from pulling the trigger. If I wasn't already so far along in USSR I would definitely want to pick up the 23ML... my experience with the R-24's in the MLA was nothing short of breathtaking.
Me and my friend bought the premium f4 yesterday, it’s freaking awesome, we even made our own squad name, the derpy phantoms (yes we put the derpiest eyes possible on it)
I know im late to the party but MAN did i appreciate the F4S. It trained me on a lot of the nuances of top tier jets and because of its shortcomings (particularly radar) made the other top tiers feel like a breeze.
It's just a slightly gucci F-5A freedom fighter. While I want to say a radar was made available later as an option it was never a standard feature at the beginning. The F-5E did introduce a basic radar tho
With bombs the tornado isn't even fast. I had the marinefleiger spaded and you will not beat your teammates to the bases. With the slow base respawn now you'll need to loiter around for minutes waiting for a chance to make your attack run and you will die 4 out of 5 times without ever getting close to a base.
The Tornado is a great example of an airframe placed into the game too late to be of any real relevance. Additionally, it's missing everything that made it noteworthy.
true- this planes was decent+ eat* fuel... like hell, if u have 40 yo u heard about firm "Panavia", if not ok too- Panavia make Tornadoes and bankrut...
@@zacharylee6405 you are not getting hit by aim54 unless you are complete idiot, you should be able to dodge all versions of r27 before you drop your bombs or rockets and that's enough for fast grind
F-4EJ ADTW isnt that bad. Bring your drop tank and take lowest fuel and 200+ FFARs you can get 2 Zones which give you 60k+ SL and around 20K RP its boring but its a good grinder with good speed
Honestly, run the f1c with gun pods and the magics. Is awesome! You’re far better with guns than I am and the wide stream makes it easy mode for even me
Even tho I already had the MiG 21S and a few tier 6 planes researched I still wanted the MiG 23ML just to make the grind a little more bearable. Those R24R's are really good. MTI works well with them even when they are low above the ground and flying away from you, unlike a PD radar.
I recently bought the F-4S during the New Years Sale. Although I originally had experience with aircraft such as the F8U-2, F-100, and the F-104, the experience between these aircraft and the F-4S is genuinely bonkers, but ultimately a great lesson. I originally thought the F-4S would be similar to how these played but I was naive in this thinking, and I suffered because of this as I never used radar guided missiles. After, learning how RGM’s work, as well as Pulse Doppler Radar, I quickly found out the F-4S is an solid B tier aircraft, especially when it gets uptiered (which happens quite often). However, when it’s at battle rating, or gets downtiered to 10.3, that’s when the Phantom goes from a B tier aircraft to an A+ tier or S tier aircraft depending on the battle rating. If someone were to ask me if they should buy the F-4S or the F-5C, I’d say both are good choices but it’s ultimately up to what their end goal is. If you want to have fun and are new to jets, buy the F-5C. If you want to make the grind easier and learn in the process, buy the F-4S. Lastly, if someone does decide to get the F-4S and take it out during ARB matches, for the love of god don’t bomb bases. I know base bombing is good for the grind but you are just sitting duck especially at top tier.
I, an empath, bought the A-6 for 2 reasons 1: F-4S was not in game yet (peaceful times then) 2: it’s a Grumman plane (grumman is the goat) I don’t even have top tier ground, I just love grumman (which is why I used to play the f14 and a6 a lot)
Took me more than a year to convince my self to actually waste the1.2M+ SL for the expert training for the F-5C, and only because it went up in rank. Otherwise I still would not use it much, and would just talisman the F-8E instead. I still think its a bad plane, do to its only good at turning, and can be used as a last resort CAS, but nothing more. The reason its so popular is do to its a low-tech plane and less experienced players only need to set the "fire AAM" + "countermeasure" keys, and can easily transmission from a prop plane to it. Why I even have it? It was in a bundle with the AH-64A + XM-1 once (basically it was a free gift)!
F5c bombing in sim and then turning into an amazing fighter once u drop ur bombs is such a good way to grind the tech tree, 2 blu fire bombs and a 2klb bomb is the lightest bomb load for one base kill and u can still Mach 1.1 with full fuel and the engine doesn’t overheat so u can full throttle to the base and still have fuel to fight and rtb
i bring 2 rocket pods on my j35xs (doesnt interfere with 6 missiles), makes you basically immune to side/front aspect missiles if u ever get uptiered or want to approach su25/9L slingers freely, and can also be used to ground pound (they fire 1 at a time too) while saving ammo to force enemies to come to you because this things acceleration is doodoowater without afterburner
i bought Mirage F1C-200 when it was last on sale and it became my second favorite jet that i enjoy playing alot. can recomend even at full price if you have steady income. and if you wonder, my favorite Jet is Italian Ariete, just perfect fighter all around
I like the Tornade for AAB. You can live without guided bombs and the missiles and guns can protect you in most cases. And it's a Tornado so it just looks super cool. But yeah, in a dogfight it behaves like a truck^^
I'd like to note, I play the Su39 in air rb and consistently get 2 - 3 kills. It just requires a change in play style; low and off to the side, sneak and R73s.
The helmet mounted system on the F4-S is a gimmick, yes, you can lock missiles, but you have no HUD like I'm sure everyone will expect, just a little circle and dot to see when you are locked and seeking missiles.
The Mirage F1CT doesn't have a centerline missile pylon, but the F1C and F1C-200 can carry the R.530 or R.530E on the centerline. They can't use a Super 530F on it.
@@jaek_898 I'll have to recheck the patch notes of the hotfix but I'm pretty sure that Gaijin wrote that the F1C lost the ability. But honestly that wouldn't be the first time that they write one thing into the patch notes but mean something completly different
The F4-S is great but since I've gotten it all I got was uptiers to 12.3 versing Su-27's and F-15's which is matches up poorly with. On another note, great video!
No 11.3 jet is going to have fun against 12.3. And I'd hazard saying F-4J/F-4S are on better end of the deal, with their potent radar and 7F. Mig23MLD would be another "best 11.3" contender mostly because it didn't lost RWR for no reason like 23ML/MLA did.
Italy mains, do not get the F-104S. I spaded the tech tree version, and you do NOT want this thing to be your grinding machine up to top-tier. Now it's even worse, this flying dart can fight F-16As regularly, and you don't even have the all-aspect missiles of the F-104S ASA. Here's to the future of Italian premiums though. Could easily get a Brazilian AMX at 10.3, maybe an F-104S ASA/M at 11.3, and even an F-16B Block 10 OCU or Block 15 ADF someday.
For sure, the worst jet is in the sweden tech tree at 9.7 the J35A. it got no flares 10g AAM with around 1.6 km range a horroble gun, no balistics computer, no bombs, bad rokets, the only pro is the turn rate at that br but with such hard cannons with no tracers it is horrible.
@jaek_ I know the tornados not the best or everyone’s cup of tea but I’ve been doing pretty good in the new premium tornado. Usually if you fly low and fast with the pack towards the bases on the left and zoom past them, swing wide around the back of the front lines and come in and hit the two bases on the right nobody ever gets and then usually I can get a kill too
Kfir C.1 is probably the best 70$ pixel plane, you get the best 10.7 in the game, and you can grind better america super fast, i got an 8 kill game in my second match with it, grinded out all of israel in less than a month and made a fuck load of money, i think it was worth the 70$ but that money technically wasn't mine so, it is what it is.
My Opinion on the MiG21 Lazur and IDS WTD: The lazur is good in the hands of an good pilot, so not quite made for new players. The WTD is a good grinder, especially when you just started the german tree. but dont expect many kills and try to run when getting attacked and alone.
Mostly, I think an SL talisman would be a better addition at this point RP talismans can be on any plane, but the ability to breakeven or profit is limited to you having amazing games, which is only possible in a few planes.. it would also increase variety rather than F4S vs MIG23ML every game
Now that I realize what gun pod the F-4S has, it's really weird that it's not the SUU-23 with the Vulcan cannon. Why does the Japanese F-4 get that, and not the American F-4S?
The US Navy used the Colt gunpod on their phantoms (well, they didnt in seevice, but F-4B/N/J/S were capable of using it). I'm not sure if the navy used the SUU-23 on anything tbh. The Brits didnt use the Mk4 gunpod, so even though their phantoms are all F-4J based they converted them to use the vulcan gunpod.
well if take care and not rushing to the base with the tornado, u can do really good with it .. killing 2 bases and 1-2 air kills are possible ind the 25k rp and 130k silverline afterwards is very nice. Just stick to your team at the beginning and try to get out the missles (just u have to do smthg while wait the base get respawned or free from enemys)
The F1C keeps getting better relative to the other premiums too. The magic buffs really helped it, meanwhile the mig23ml, f104s taf, kfir, f20 have all had some kind of nerf(s) in the past couple months.
If we are ignoring fighter capability the phantoms become good contenders for grinding through base bombing The reality is many of these have been powercrept by this point and could probably do with some alternatives or buffs given the price While Britain as you said is lacking in future additions im having a decent time with the F4Juk and F4EJ
With the f-104s taf u can use 6 fire bombs and 1 2000lb bomb to make a 2 base loadout. Use 2 firebombs and 1 2000lb for 1 bomb base bcos 2x 1000lb and 1x 2000lb wont do it.
As dumb as it is, I got the A6E and on release I would just climb above a furball because of its ability to hold subsonic speeds and lob x4 AIM-9Ls and run for home or have the gunpod and go in for the fight. I’ve honestly had a fun time playing it and I can say my money was well spent.
A6e on release was amazing, I think it my best grinder on average out of all US premium jets Unfortunately couple weeks after it was released map size was increased which effectively killed it in ARB, played it only couple times since then, what a shame
Hopefully someone sees this in time, I have the 5c and 23ml already, and I’m prob gonna get either the canard or the 4s, but I have prob like 2-3 hours of test flight in with the canard and the 4s and both of them are play styles I will have to adjust to if I buy and use them. I am curious to see what WT veterans recommend I force my self to adjust to lmao. Leave your opinions below so I can try and make a decision
Since you already have the F-5C I'd go for the Kfir. If you want the F-4S purely for gameplay, the F-4J in the tech tree is similar enough. Kfir also gets your foot in the door for another tech tree, giving you more variety.
F4j uk is the best frinder that I’ve ever used. Took me 300 matches to grond to rank 8 with 8 missiles and enough bombs on my loadout to get 2 bases. No gun. And bcos f4s is better than it, that is a dream grinder
I know the F-4EJ ADTW isn't the best and not on sale but its pretty good for grinding the Japanese tech tree, I was able to get the first half of the Japanese air tree done in less than a week with the ADTW
I feel like there's something wrong with the game play and monetization design. I was in a game yesterday where no joke over 75% of the enemy team was flying an F5
@@hypersonichobo4263 i can see gaijin getting goofy and adding a swiss hornet to fill the gap between now and when the typhoon gets here (i think typhoon might get added next december)
@@jaek_898 people have advocated for Germany to turn into a central and eastern Europe end tree which is....bold giving it the Romanian Fulcrum, and what you mentioned with the Hornet. The problem with the Typhoon is it would just be crazy fucking good. Without it the TT is an end tier snooze fest, with it the tree becomes a mulching machine even if you gave it just AMRAAMs and Sidewinders you'd still have an alphabet soup of avionics.
guys i have a big question so i have rank 4 unlocked in the ussr tech tree rn if i buy the mig23 will it let me skip the ranks and allow me to start grinding rank 7 jets ? i wasnt able to find an answer for this
No it will not. The MiG-23ML can grind any rank from 1 to 8, and it counts towards the 5 planes you need to unlock rank 8, but you still have to keep progressing through the tree
@@jaek_898 dude thank you so much for letting me know i was thinking that if i bought it it would unlock the techtree up to 11.3 and i could then just pick which rank 7 jets to grind next without getting rank 4-6 planes i will go buy the other games in my wish list instead of getting 1 plane in war thunder
Ok so I got the F-4s a while back and idk about anyone else but its IR missiles are shit, I've only gotten like 2 kills with them and you don't even need to flare to dodges them, just fly in a straight line, am I just using them wrong because I also use the missiles on the A10 and they work fine... any advice??
It's hard to know without seeing some clips. The 9H is easier to flare than the 9L, and there's a chance they're flaring it but you're not actually seeing the flares (sometimes they don't render in). I only carry two 9Hs on the F-4S.
J-7D is on sale RN and somehow i have gathered reasonable amount of GJN coin though... some recommend some dont. i doubt whether i should buy or not. edit: i have mig21s from ussr tho and almost reached toptier in the usa
It would be easier to recommend if it was 10.7 and it's usable at 11.0 but I just find it to be really frustrating. Its a good tech tree tho. If youre used to mig21s theyre very similar airframes. Imagine your mig21s with flares and basically improved r13m1s at 11.0, there you go.
Su-11 isn't discounted and being only rank 5, its utility is kinda limited. 23ML will get you to the top, but as its 11.3, you will also interact with top tiers on daily basis. Learning curve... no, learning cliff will await you there, that and putting GE that come with the jet into crew will be mandatory. Gen 3 and 4 jets is where meatbag on board becomes the weakest link and quick to pass out during maneuvers.
@@tothmatyas2177 If you're familiar with radar usage as well top tier gameplay loop, then only "against" I have 23ML is shitty RWR (only 4 antennas and no missile launch warning). Technically Mig-23MLD is better, as it adresses RWR issue, has wing slats for bit more AoA at expense of speed and can mix and match R24R with R24T with the same BR.
I love how gijjn add some copy paste or some what mid planes like damn dude for 70$ is insane like I would love for gijjn to like add some upgraded planes that never gone to production because in real life the cost was high but in WT that is not issue
would you rate them tthe same in Sim and would you make the same recomendations? Given the way the sim BRs varey 11.3 can be at the top and the rewards can bexcellent when using premiums and boosters. I am using the F4S and the rewards are great
I dont really play sim but I will say some of these have RWRs that cant detect pulse doppler radars in sim. If I was playing sim I'd probably want something like the F20, which brings its own set of problems... I wished I could give a recommendation but I'm not sure. If you're balling out with the F-4S, keep doing it
I bought the F-5C on Christmas day because I had some money, I didn't know the sales were gonna happen and I assumed they weren't because they didn't happen before Christmas 😭
Update for the 2024 summer sale: The MiG-23ML has had its flight performance and radar considerably nerfed. It's still usable, but definitely not as good as it was at the time of this video's publishing.
how's the F4s?
@@gronke4202 One of the better ones, I've been told the multipath nerf helped it signifcantly (AIM-7F now more lethal). Havent found the time to play it this week though. I can recommend it at half price although personally I would go for the F-5C.
@@gronke4202 its very solid for sim being able to carry enough rocket to take out 2 bases as well as 8 total missiles with out sacrifising the ground ordenence so you can do anything you want in the battles
@@jaek_898 thank you for answering, great people, I went with the F5-C
But isnt the mig-23ml still one of the best premiums you can buy? I heard that on sale it's very worth it
to summarize 80% of the premiums: MID
Give us $70 and your reward is getting to play 300 games in the midmobile to grind a shiny top tier jet
Deffy man!!!!
MID-23ML
The F-4S would be great if the BRs weren't so compressed and it didn't face 40G flare resistant missiles
@@joakimjensen309 blud thats like one of the good ones
I pity the poor souls who actually bought the F-4J(UNK)
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Getting talisman during discount is way better than buying a 70 dollars premium
@@isaac000215 i agree that it can be worth it for veteran players due to it being slightly cheaper (approximetly 7,7k-10k GE to grind a techtree) and that you get to play a variety of vehicles, but the downside for newer players are that you get the a speed boost in research but not SL meaning that they will most likely run in to issues of not being able to afford said new vehicles
Me on my way to buy it to skip the Sea Harrier line (it was not worth it)
i’m 4 planes away from the grippen, i’ve used the f4 exclusively. idk why i chose britain but im too invested to quit now
The spelling mistakes in my videos are clearly put there by design as easter eggs for my most devout viewers to find and are NOT because of my incompetance 😎Too late to reupload so I can't fix them unfortunately.
Also before I get asked, xbox and playstation sales are impossible to predict because they're up to sony and microsoft so there's no way of knowing what goes on sale and when. PC sales happen in summer (around June/July), in November for WT's birthday, and for New Year in late December.
I’m stuck choosing between the f-5c and kfir canard. While i am in rank 5 US air, israel is quite small and is probably a similar amount of RP to top tier. I have all of sweden air so I’m used to delta wings and not gunfighting (better EEGS when?). However the US tree has so much variety and interesting aircraft that a small tech tree such as israel doesn’t really have. Also nice way to play off the spelling mistakes! Jk lol nice content!
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@@j3zzaboii152 Although I cannot help you with your choice, I can say that Israel will receive python 4 and derpy in the near future on some future aircraft and even on existing ones (barak), so in perspective Israel will have better american planes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
yeah when i watched it i realized that radar was spelled radadr
what about May the 8th, end of WW2 is there no sale there?
Being a fan of Jaek is like being a fan of premium jet before $70 existed
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Never seen your stuff before but I am so glad someone finally put out a new (And competent) premium guide, thank you on behalf of the community
F-5c is 10.3 spitfire brutally effective at dispatching enemies if you have good aim and pay attention to launches.
Me and the boys on our way to buy the objective worst rank 7 premium then complain about how OP all the other nations are on reddit 😎
Literally just saw THAT post with the topic being the F-4EJ.
This is some dang good content, I really like the clear, color-coded text in this and the other comparison/missile videos.
It's probably a good thing that most of these are middling or 'good, with caveats' since they're gonna get spammed out like with every sale. I'm currently nursing a desire to get the Kfir Canard because I like its looks, style, and BR, but its firepower limitations (and the fact that I have zero Israeli vehicles in air or ground) prevent me from pulling the trigger.
If I wasn't already so far along in USSR I would definitely want to pick up the 23ML... my experience with the R-24's in the MLA was nothing short of breathtaking.
Kfir canard is objectively the best plane to get and you get to skip low rank vehicles for both ground an air
Me and my friend bought the premium f4 yesterday, it’s freaking awesome, we even made our own squad name, the derpy phantoms (yes we put the derpiest eyes possible on it)
Can I join it because I just bought the f4s phantom 2 please can I join
I know im late to the party but MAN did i appreciate the F4S. It trained me on a lot of the nuances of top tier jets and because of its shortcomings (particularly radar) made the other top tiers feel like a breeze.
To correct what is said at 5:08 the Lazur-M is on sale.
what a shame the F5C has no radadr
god dammit i knew i would screw something up 😭
@@jaek_898 it happens to all of us 😔
It's just a slightly gucci F-5A freedom fighter. While I want to say a radar was made available later as an option it was never a standard feature at the beginning. The F-5E did introduce a basic radar tho
I saw you on every jet noob stream yet I never knew you spat out great content! This is a hidden gem of a channel!
Hey man, great video. Picked up the F4S last night, and it’s been fun!
In thrust, we trust!
Project Wingman song choice for BGM is a W
I love how the Azur has been power crept to hell and then they added insult to injury and gave us a Tornado the does nothing other than going fast.
With bombs the tornado isn't even fast. I had the marinefleiger spaded and you will not beat your teammates to the bases. With the slow base respawn now you'll need to loiter around for minutes waiting for a chance to make your attack run and you will die 4 out of 5 times without ever getting close to a base.
Lazur has been dogshit ever since it's been added. No powercreep at all.
Gaijin is allergic to giving better missile loadouts to the countries that historically used them apparently.
The Tornado is a great example of an airframe placed into the game too late to be of any real relevance. Additionally, it's missing everything that made it noteworthy.
true- this planes was decent+ eat* fuel... like hell, if u have 40 yo u heard about firm "Panavia", if not ok too- Panavia make Tornadoes and bankrut...
At 12.0 it is AMAZING in sim. Loving this rwr and radar combo
The F5C is nice but man I love the F4S. I EASILY made millions in it and QUICKLY grinded out both f16s, f14b and vark from the F4S
It's still my favorite phantom to play in WT
@@jaek_898 F4F phantom on top 💪
A quick phoenix will ruin that dream or an r27 and much more..
@@zacharylee6405 you are not getting hit by aim54 unless you are complete idiot, you should be able to dodge all versions of r27 before you drop your bombs or rockets and that's enough for fast grind
@@wapniak666 you know you can make the phoenix be invisible to hit players right?
The Kfir Canard is probs my favorite out of these
Such a neat plane
I picked up the F-5C and MIG-23ML and im pretty happy with my future grinding
progress check, if you're even still playing, how was the mig-23?
Found this Channel 2 weeks ago when I got back into war thunder, and now here is where I spend my free time.. thanks for the content 🍻
Being early to Jaek videos is like being a fan of Jaek early.
Being a fan of Jaek is like being a fan of Perennial when he uploafed
By starting the video out with telling me what not to get *chefs kiss* earned my like and sub
i picked up the 23ML on sale and as a ground player ive actually been doing pretty good in it
Love you, happy Xmas and i'll splash some money right now
F-4EJ ADTW isnt that bad. Bring your drop tank and take lowest fuel and 200+ FFARs you can get 2 Zones which give you 60k+ SL and around 20K RP its boring but its a good grinder with good speed
Honestly, run the f1c with gun pods and the magics. Is awesome! You’re far better with guns than I am and the wide stream makes it easy mode for even me
Picked up the Kfir and its fantastic for grinding and fun
i really enjoyed this video, nice quality, well explained info... ty for it💪🏻
Even tho I already had the MiG 21S and a few tier 6 planes researched I still wanted the MiG 23ML just to make the grind a little more bearable. Those R24R's are really good. MTI works well with them even when they are low above the ground and flying away from you, unlike a PD radar.
I recently bought the F-4S during the New Years Sale. Although I originally had experience with aircraft such as the F8U-2, F-100, and the F-104, the experience between these aircraft and the F-4S is genuinely bonkers, but ultimately a great lesson.
I originally thought the F-4S would be similar to how these played but I was naive in this thinking, and I suffered because of this as I never used radar guided missiles. After, learning how RGM’s work, as well as Pulse Doppler Radar, I quickly found out the F-4S is an solid B tier aircraft, especially when it gets uptiered (which happens quite often). However, when it’s at battle rating, or gets downtiered to 10.3, that’s when the Phantom goes from a B tier aircraft to an A+ tier or S tier aircraft depending on the battle rating.
If someone were to ask me if they should buy the F-4S or the F-5C, I’d say both are good choices but it’s ultimately up to what their end goal is. If you want to have fun and are new to jets, buy the F-5C. If you want to make the grind easier and learn in the process, buy the F-4S.
Lastly, if someone does decide to get the F-4S and take it out during ARB matches, for the love of god don’t bomb bases. I know base bombing is good for the grind but you are just sitting duck especially at top tier.
thank you for your comment
I, an empath, bought the A-6 for 2 reasons
1: F-4S was not in game yet (peaceful times then)
2: it’s a Grumman plane (grumman is the goat)
I don’t even have top tier ground, I just love grumman (which is why I used to play the f14 and a6 a lot)
Took me more than a year to convince my self to actually waste the1.2M+ SL for the expert training for the F-5C, and only because it went up in rank. Otherwise I still would not use it much, and would just talisman the F-8E instead. I still think its a bad plane, do to its only good at turning, and can be used as a last resort CAS, but nothing more. The reason its so popular is do to its a low-tech plane and less experienced players only need to set the "fire AAM" + "countermeasure" keys, and can easily transmission from a prop plane to it.
Why I even have it? It was in a bundle with the AH-64A + XM-1 once (basically it was a free gift)!
Lmao that ending. Perfect summary of that load of crap. Surprises me with how many people I've seen flying it.
i have 3 rank 7 premiums and a continuing addiction to this game and spending money
F5c bombing in sim and then turning into an amazing fighter once u drop ur bombs is such a good way to grind the tech tree, 2 blu fire bombs and a 2klb bomb is the lightest bomb load for one base kill and u can still Mach 1.1 with full fuel and the engine doesn’t overheat so u can full throttle to the base and still have fuel to fight and rtb
i bring 2 rocket pods on my j35xs (doesnt interfere with 6 missiles), makes you basically immune to side/front aspect missiles if u ever get uptiered or want to approach su25/9L slingers freely, and can also be used to ground pound (they fire 1 at a time too) while saving ammo to force enemies to come to you because this things acceleration is doodoowater without afterburner
AV-8B plus would like to say hi with AIM-9M
Hold on, wdym it makes you immune to front/side aspect missiles? Do you use it like a flare?
@@creepyfishman6858 yes, he does
@@tu7765 oh shit, I'm gonna have to try that out, I wonder how effective it is
If you french fry when you need to pizza, you're gonna have a bad time. -Random ski instructor
You deserve more subs and by the next sale time you will have you CC link
i bought Mirage F1C-200 when it was last on sale and it became my second favorite jet that i enjoy playing alot. can recomend even at full price if you have steady income. and if you wonder, my favorite Jet is Italian Ariete, just perfect fighter all around
Ariete is such a cool little jet, I wished I had better luck with the matchmaker because it absolutely demolishes 8.3 games.
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Ima buy the mirage f1c 200 next to grind out france i have tried the m2k s4 and i will say im in love with the mirages delta wing flight module
I like the Tornade for AAB. You can live without guided bombs and the missiles and guns can protect you in most cases. And it's a Tornado so it just looks super cool. But yeah, in a dogfight it behaves like a truck^^
I'd like to note, I play the Su39 in air rb and consistently get 2 - 3 kills. It just requires a change in play style; low and off to the side, sneak and R73s.
The Top Gear scenes always go hard😂
he used midnight light in the beginning
PW Fan confirmed?
The helmet mounted system on the F4-S is a gimmick, yes, you can lock missiles, but you have no HUD like I'm sure everyone will expect, just a little circle and dot to see when you are locked and seeking missiles.
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The A6 is amazing for casual Sim matches for grinding
It is slow and a flying shitbrick but its my most used plane in Sim other than the F-4E
A6e OP, often Get triple and quadfeeds with the missiles depending on How i play
I'm a fan of the Canard for one specific reason: It can carry 6x 1000 bombs, bomb a base and be back with your team at like 1400km/hour
The A-6E is absoloutely viable in air rb, given that it faces jets without countermeasures whilst carrying 4 Aim-9Ls.
No is not, stop gaslighting yourself into believe it is
@@ragnarokinfall8565It is lmao, i used the A-6E to grind my way to the F16, over the course of 2 or so months.
@@ragnarokinfall8565Im usikg the a6e rn, i got multiple games yesterday where i scored 3-4 kills. Its all about being a cheeky cunt
@@garf0001yes u give a lot of ez kills
@@ragnarokinfall8565 skill issue tbh, you got a good amount of flares + 9Ls. If you can't even get 2 kills per match it's a you problem.
Didn't they remove the ability to carry the 530 below the fuselage some time ago on the F1C-200?
The Mirage F1CT doesn't have a centerline missile pylon, but the F1C and F1C-200 can carry the R.530 or R.530E on the centerline. They can't use a Super 530F on it.
@@jaek_898 I'll have to recheck the patch notes of the hotfix but I'm pretty sure that Gaijin wrote that the F1C lost the ability. But honestly that wouldn't be the first time that they write one thing into the patch notes but mean something completly different
The F4-S is great but since I've gotten it all I got was uptiers to 12.3 versing Su-27's and F-15's which is matches up poorly with. On another note, great video!
Yeah I regret getting it bc of the up tiers
No 11.3 jet is going to have fun against 12.3. And I'd hazard saying F-4J/F-4S are on better end of the deal, with their potent radar and 7F.
Mig23MLD would be another "best 11.3" contender mostly because it didn't lost RWR for no reason like 23ML/MLA did.
Italy mains, do not get the F-104S. I spaded the tech tree version, and you do NOT want this thing to be your grinding machine up to top-tier. Now it's even worse, this flying dart can fight F-16As regularly, and you don't even have the all-aspect missiles of the F-104S ASA.
Here's to the future of Italian premiums though. Could easily get a Brazilian AMX at 10.3, maybe an F-104S ASA/M at 11.3, and even an F-16B Block 10 OCU or Block 15 ADF someday.
For sure, the worst jet is in the sweden tech tree at 9.7 the J35A. it got no flares 10g AAM with around 1.6 km range a horroble gun, no balistics computer, no bombs, bad rokets, the only pro is the turn rate at that br but with such hard cannons with no tracers it is horrible.
7:05 flight model (all family M23) will be nerfed after sale- better wait its 2nd nerf for this plane in few months...
due to the new tornados placement at 11.0 i would say its pretty good for boming.
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project wingman soundtrack 👀
@jaek_ I know the tornados not the best or everyone’s cup of tea but I’ve been doing pretty good in the new premium tornado. Usually if you fly low and fast with the pack towards the bases on the left and zoom past them, swing wide around the back of the front lines and come in and hit the two bases on the right nobody ever gets and then usually I can get a kill too
Kfir C.1 is probably the best 70$ pixel plane, you get the best 10.7 in the game, and you can grind better america super fast, i got an 8 kill game in my second match with it, grinded out all of israel in less than a month and made a fuck load of money, i think it was worth the 70$ but that money technically wasn't mine so, it is what it is.
My Opinion on the MiG21 Lazur and IDS WTD:
The lazur is good in the hands of an good pilot, so not quite made for new players.
The WTD is a good grinder, especially when you just started the german tree. but dont expect many kills and try to run when getting attacked and alone.
Mostly, I think an SL talisman would be a better addition at this point
RP talismans can be on any plane, but the ability to breakeven or profit is limited to you having amazing games, which is only possible in a few planes.. it would also increase variety rather than F4S vs MIG23ML every game
Now F4s got an indirect buff, No more 12.3 jets
I’m really liking the f104s taf atm
Now that I realize what gun pod the F-4S has, it's really weird that it's not the SUU-23 with the Vulcan cannon. Why does the Japanese F-4 get that, and not the American F-4S?
The US Navy used the Colt gunpod on their phantoms (well, they didnt in seevice, but F-4B/N/J/S were capable of using it). I'm not sure if the navy used the SUU-23 on anything tbh. The Brits didnt use the Mk4 gunpod, so even though their phantoms are all F-4J based they converted them to use the vulcan gunpod.
GoD quality video ❤
Hey, how about the J35A! Oh wait…..
well if take care and not rushing to the base with the tornado, u can do really good with it .. killing 2 bases and 1-2 air kills are possible ind the 25k rp and 130k silverline afterwards is very nice.
Just stick to your team at the beginning and try to get out the missles (just u have to do smthg while wait the base get respawned or free from enemys)
Weird enough I got the f1c but I regretted straight after this video but I made it to top tier very quickly
The F1C keeps getting better relative to the other premiums too. The magic buffs really helped it, meanwhile the mig23ml, f104s taf, kfir, f20 have all had some kind of nerf(s) in the past couple months.
If we are ignoring fighter capability the phantoms become good contenders for grinding through base bombing
The reality is many of these have been powercrept by this point and could probably do with some alternatives or buffs given the price
While Britain as you said is lacking in future additions im having a decent time with the F4Juk and F4EJ
Instructions unclear, I bought every premium
I bomb a ton with the F5C, it does great with a custom loadout. Just have to learn how to aim with them and you are gucci
With the f-104s taf u can use 6 fire bombs and 1 2000lb bomb to make a 2 base loadout. Use 2 firebombs and 1 2000lb for 1 bomb base bcos 2x 1000lb and 1x 2000lb wont do it.
As dumb as it is, I got the A6E and on release I would just climb above a furball because of its ability to hold subsonic speeds and lob x4 AIM-9Ls and run for home or have the gunpod and go in for the fight. I’ve honestly had a fun time playing it and I can say my money was well spent.
A6e on release was amazing, I think it my best grinder on average out of all US premium jets
Unfortunately couple weeks after it was released map size was increased which effectively killed it in ARB, played it only couple times since then, what a shame
Hey, is it worth to get this thing for TRB?
Solely for it's CAS capabilities I mean. Don't really need anything to grind out the US tree anymore.
@@VIT-ey8wo it's great for CAS, loads of gbus and good targeting pod
Correction: The Mig 21 is on sale this time
Hopefully someone sees this in time, I have the 5c and 23ml already, and I’m prob gonna get either the canard or the 4s, but I have prob like 2-3 hours of test flight in with the canard and the 4s and both of them are play styles I will have to adjust to if I buy and use them. I am curious to see what WT veterans recommend I force my self to adjust to lmao. Leave your opinions below so I can try and make a decision
Since you already have the F-5C I'd go for the Kfir. If you want the F-4S purely for gameplay, the F-4J in the tech tree is similar enough. Kfir also gets your foot in the door for another tech tree, giving you more variety.
so after mig23 nerf I m so confused which one to buy. I m trying to decide between france premium and sweden one and maybe kfir
F4j uk is the best frinder that I’ve ever used. Took me 300 matches to grond to rank 8 with 8 missiles and enough bombs on my loadout to get 2 bases. No gun. And bcos f4s is better than it, that is a dream grinder
I know the F-4EJ ADTW isn't the best and not on sale but its pretty good for grinding the Japanese tech tree, I was able to get the first half of the Japanese air tree done in less than a week with the ADTW
which german premium plane you recommend me to buy in the Xmas sale 2024 ?
I feel like there's something wrong with the game play and monetization design. I was in a game yesterday where no joke over 75% of the enemy team was flying an F5
“Radadr” LMAOOO 2:17😭
i wished that was the only one
showed the video to like 10 people before publishing and nobody caught it 😭
@@jaek_898 the people u showed it to are either blind or can’t spell radar, happens to the best of us😭🙏
has R60 gotten flare resistance buff? it used to be easy to flare but now i dump 100 flares to it and it just doesnt care
No they are still very bad when flared but when they get close to you they perform better so manuever while flaring once and you'll be fine
Any chance of being able to make a video like this for the tier 6s?
The f4s is constantly getting uptiered and facing the f15, and su27.
So, buy a premium Phantom to pretend you're an Iranian fighter pilot. 😅
I didnt hear about Smin saying Typhoon incoming
forum.warthunder.com/t/britain-air-forces/41874/1047
forum.warthunder.com/t/next-major-update-rumor-round-up-and-discussion-part-2/48710/4789
@@jaek_898 *Sad Luftwaffe Noises*
@@hypersonichobo4263 i can see gaijin getting goofy and adding a swiss hornet to fill the gap between now and when the typhoon gets here (i think typhoon might get added next december)
@@jaek_898 people have advocated for Germany to turn into a central and eastern Europe end tree which is....bold giving it the Romanian Fulcrum, and what you mentioned with the Hornet.
The problem with the Typhoon is it would just be crazy fucking good. Without it the TT is an end tier snooze fest, with it the tree becomes a mulching machine even if you gave it just AMRAAMs and Sidewinders you'd still have an alphabet soup of avionics.
guys i have a big question so i have rank 4 unlocked in the ussr tech tree rn if i buy the mig23 will it let me skip the ranks and allow me to start grinding rank 7 jets ? i wasnt able to find an answer for this
No it will not. The MiG-23ML can grind any rank from 1 to 8, and it counts towards the 5 planes you need to unlock rank 8, but you still have to keep progressing through the tree
@@jaek_898 dude thank you so much for letting me know i was thinking that if i bought it it would unlock the techtree up to 11.3 and i could then just pick which rank 7 jets to grind next without getting rank 4-6 planes i will go buy the other games in my wish list instead of getting 1 plane in war thunder
Ok so I got the F-4s a while back and idk about anyone else but its IR missiles are shit, I've only gotten like 2 kills with them and you don't even need to flare to dodges them, just fly in a straight line, am I just using them wrong because I also use the missiles on the A10 and they work fine... any advice??
It's hard to know without seeing some clips. The 9H is easier to flare than the 9L, and there's a chance they're flaring it but you're not actually seeing the flares (sometimes they don't render in). I only carry two 9Hs on the F-4S.
@@jaek_898It takes 1 flair from 0.1 - 5km away to distract the Aim 9L
wait the Lazur M is on sale tho
J-7D is on sale RN and somehow i have gathered reasonable amount of GJN coin though... some recommend some dont. i doubt whether i should buy or not.
edit: i have mig21s from ussr tho and almost reached toptier in the usa
It would be easier to recommend if it was 10.7 and it's usable at 11.0 but I just find it to be really frustrating. Its a good tech tree tho. If youre used to mig21s theyre very similar airframes. Imagine your mig21s with flares and basically improved r13m1s at 11.0, there you go.
Should i get the ML if i just started to the jets w/ su11 or not
Su-11 isn't discounted and being only rank 5, its utility is kinda limited. 23ML will get you to the top, but as its 11.3, you will also interact with top tiers on daily basis. Learning curve... no, learning cliff will await you there, that and putting GE that come with the jet into crew will be mandatory. Gen 3 and 4 jets is where meatbag on board becomes the weakest link and quick to pass out during maneuvers.
@@Panocek 1. I already have the su11
2. I have top tier at US
So w that info should i get the ML
@@tothmatyas2177 If you're familiar with radar usage as well top tier gameplay loop, then only "against" I have 23ML is shitty RWR (only 4 antennas and no missile launch warning). Technically Mig-23MLD is better, as it adresses RWR issue, has wing slats for bit more AoA at expense of speed and can mix and match R24R with R24T with the same BR.
In good hands the su25 is a decent dogfighter, with s24 and gunpoda offensively, good plane
It's not good plane, the games are over before you manage to get in range of enemies
Xbox doesn’t have any sales on premium packs 😢
Next do Chinese missiles
I love how gijjn add some copy paste or some what mid planes like damn dude for 70$ is insane like I would love for gijjn to like add some upgraded planes that never gone to production because in real life the cost was high but in WT that is not issue
would you rate them tthe same in Sim and would you make the same recomendations? Given the way the sim BRs varey 11.3 can be at the top and the rewards can bexcellent when using premiums and boosters. I am using the F4S and the rewards are great
I dont really play sim but I will say some of these have RWRs that cant detect pulse doppler radars in sim. If I was playing sim I'd probably want something like the F20, which brings its own set of problems...
I wished I could give a recommendation but I'm not sure. If you're balling out with the F-4S, keep doing it
@@jaek_898 yeah poor rwr make life......interesting 😁
I bought the F-5C on Christmas day because I had some money, I didn't know the sales were gonna happen and I assumed they weren't because they didn't happen before Christmas 😭
Pro tip - never buy anything unless it's on sale