iPad Pro Subscription-Free RAW+JPG Workflow Using iCloud Photo Library and RAW Power
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- The holy grail: an iPad-only RAW+JPG workflow that doesn’t use subscription software.
Full contents:
0:00 - Titles
0:24 The merits of iCloud Photo Library
1:51 Setting your camera to use RAW+JPG
2:35 Importing RAW+JPG images to iPad Pro with SD Card Reader
4:38 Using RAW Power
5:29 Deep dive into RAW processing and photo sensor RAW data
8:13 Adjustments available in RAW Power
8:35 Saving your image non-destructively to iCloud Photo Library
9:05 How RAW Power makes your edits available on all your devices
9:53 How to use other apps to make additional changes to your image
This video looks at this great subscription-free photography workflow that lets you import RAW+JPG files from your camera into the Apple iCloud Photo Library.
The beauty of this approach is that you can optionally use your camera film simulation or picture profiles most of the time using the JPGs, but optionally jump in and switch to the RAW version when you want to. iCloud Photo Library syncs both versions of your image seamlessly to your devices.
I look at the interesting way Fujifilm X-Trans sensors work compared to normal sensors too and reveal the amazing power that RAW Power offers when working with your RAW files on your iPad.
It turns out iCould Photo Library has really great support for RAW+JPG files, naturally using the JPG as the default image and then allowing access to the RAW version on demand on any of your devices.
The software in the workflow is the amazing app called RAW Power by Gentlemen Coders:
gentlemencoders.com
This app leverages the Apple RAW processing engine and makes it available to images in your iCloud Photo Library on your iPad and your Mac. It doesn’t use a subscription model which makes it a great alternative to Lightroom if, like me, you want a RAW workflow for family videos rather than professional use.
Some additional reading on the topics I look at in this video:
www.cambridgeincolour.com/tut...
support.apple.com/en-us/HT210191
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Thanks, I’ve watched it twice to try no get my head around it - your explanation was great - just my lack of knowledge with iPad files and how they work!
I just discovered RAW Power - it is a great iPad tool!! Thanks for a great video!
Thanks for explaining how iOS handles jpeg+raw.
Great video, exactly what I was looking for!
This is great! Thanks for making this video.
Hey man! Lovely video! Just a small question, Can we change the fujifilm Simulatios on this raw power app? Or is there anyway to select the simulations on the Ipad after shooting the pictures?
U deserve to have more subs. Amazing detailed videos:)
Many thanks!
Ben, thank you. I’ve been wondering how to edit the RAW images from my drone as they appear in Photos on IPad as JPEG + Raw and I already had Raw Power but have never really used it. Your workflow has saved me from a bunch of headaches.
Solid…thanks.😊
Really good explanation of the app and how you use the apps together.
Thanks!
Oh dear, I’ve just seen the light!!! Great video and explanation (even too good :-). And upon that Fuji user!!! I still have to figure out whether this can be my definite workflow (I like to back up in traditional folders with consistent file names, tag photos, add geo location and have been using so far compressed RAW), but it just looked way too good this workflow!!! Congrats and thank you VERY much!!!
Awesome - good luck with it and thanks for your comments!
Great clear explanation- as an iPad and Fuji user I love this. Quick question: do you have a backup strategy (eg keeping a copy of your photos elsewhere?) and also I’ve a lot of Fuji RAW files I’ve stored compressed, and had issues reading/previewing on iPad - do you use uncompressed?
Thanks! Yeah I don't think compressed raw files are supported. I do have a good backup routine. 'Download originals' is turned on my Mac and then this routine has me covered: th-cam.com/video/gY-H0XwoOOo/w-d-xo.html
This is a great informative video. I’ve been struggling with a proper workflow for my XT4 so may give this a go. I’m a little concerned about storage space. Say you have a RAW+JPG and then create a new JPG to sit over the top. You effectively have 3 files. Once you’re happy that the final JPG is complete, is there a way to remove the original two files? I guess you would create a copy of the JPG that sits over the top and delete the first ‘bundle’?
Thanks for your comments! Yeah you could certainly export the jpg then remove the original. Given how affordable iCloud storage is though I’d just leave them in there in case you want to tweak in the future.
@@BenVallack Yes I’ve got plenty of iCloud storage but something about me has to have full res versions of my photos on my phone and iPad. I hate waiting the split second for it to load when quickly browsing or showing people my library. It would be nice if you could chose which albums used optimised storage and which didn’t. I’m currently using 300+GB on my 512GB devices.
@@jimmyjoy21 right! Yeah I’m a big fan of optimise storage on all devices including the Mac (I have another routine for backup of originals in that situation though). You’re right though the delay is annoying - especially for videos.
Exceptionally awesome, will try that for me, since 2TB iCloud with apple fotos is cheaper than my 1TB + Lightroom subscription!
Super video. Ben. I also shoot raw plus jpeg on my Fuji and then edit on the iPad. What I still don’t understand is whether I can edit the the Fuji processed jpeg on the iPad. In your examples, you are editing the rows, not the jpeg files. I understand that you can edit the jpegs directly on a Mac but can you do that on the iPad? Thanks for the terrific lesson!
Thanks, you can edit the JPG iirc - can’t recall the details as it’s been a while since I have done any photos though!
Hi. Any apps you know of let you rate the files while attached to the camera?
Without importing
Cheers
Such a great video, thank you for making it-
Thank you for this ! I have been struggling to understand what is going on when I load Canon raw+jpeg into my camera roll. The Canon camera connect software wirelessly connects the camera and the ipad, but it only allows you to either grab the jpegs OR the raw .cr3 files, so you have to do two operations to get all the files. Unfortunately, this results in the camera roll showing two images for each photo, the jpeg and the raw file ! On the other hand, I tried your method of importing them into the camera roll from the sdcard, and it stacked the raw+jpeg as you show. I guess Canon does not understand how IOS wants to handle photos, which is a little sad ! I shall be importing photos directly from the Sdcard from now now on... Thanks again !
I've recently encountered a strange bug in the default photos app; when you're viewing your photos there is a very noticable color shift towards green if you pinch to zoom in. Could you try this out with your JPEGS? Just pick a photo then slowly pinch to zoom to notice the effect, it's most obvious on Acros (black and white) photos. This even happens with the photos taken with ipad/iphone.
Also I find the colors having too much red (before zooming) and too much green (after zoom) saturation compared to my calibrated display.
Would love to hear your feedback on this. (I use the 10.5 iPad Pro btw)
Great video! Thanks for sharing the workflow.
Thanks for your comment - can't say I can notice any colour shift when zooming. Might be worth taking to an apple store and seeing what they say about that!
Hello! Is it possible to apply all changes from one photo to all others? Or we have to edit all photos separately always? Thanks!
You can use the batch tools in Raw power for that. Here’s the user guide - scroll to the section on batch processing - very powerful! gentlemencoders.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/RAW-Power-Help-iOS-v3.0-1.pdf
Hi Ben, apologies for the off topic, newbie question, but could you recommend a camera app that I can use on my iPhone in place of the stock camera app, one that shoots RAW, that you’ve used and liked. Currently swimming in a sea of confusion. Thanks. P.S. Didn’t know Raw Power had all these extra chops.
My personal thoughts on this after some experimenting are that the native abilty of the built in app is so good that you will probably not get anything more out of the RAW images off the iPhone sensor than those excellent jpgs. For me the fun of raw comes from taking the insane quality images off a mirrorless camera and then you really get to play! But one of the strongest features of the built in camera app is its software processing power so I would embrace that and save RAW for something with a bigger sensor.
Well done explanation ... I'm not a Fuji X user yet principally because Apple doesn't support the compressed raw format only the uncompressed. I been a Raw Power user for a while as well as Darkroom. I agree with your preference for how iCloud photos works and I'd rather pay for a small storage subscription than the SW subscription. I wish Fuji would release a version of their Fuji X Raw Studio for the iPad adding even more to the value proposition. How do you find the size / storage issues to manage both on the camera's SD card and of course with your iCloud subscription?
I have a big iCloud plan and 512GB iPad so I'm ok with storage - the beauty of iCloud photo library is the option to not keep originals on the device though - as long as you have a backup somewhere else this works really well! iCloud photo library with this really good raw support is really an excellent solution.
I wouldn't worry too much about the compressed raw files. iCloud storage is so cheap I don't think it's a massive issue. Do note that if you get the recent Fujis that the Apple Raw support doesn't include them yet (and thus Raw Power can't open them either). I just upgraded to the XT4 and now I'm stuck waiting for support!!
@@BenVallack thanks for the reply and advice about the new cameras not supported. I meant to ask your success/opinions of the Fujifilm Remote app to geotag photos. All I read about is complaints and a lack of clarity over how it works from Fuji. Nikon had similar issues but their geotagging is rock solid. How is Fuji? The ability of iPhoto to use the geotag is really slick. I will be waiting for your next video. Kind regards.
Geotagging is good but does seem to require the app to have been opened reasonably recently on the phone. There is an icon that shows when it is connected though.
I never managed to establish a iPad based workflow for my photo processing, because it fails at the very first step: Whenever I try to import more than a couple of pictures into the iPad I get error messages about „not enough free memory“, regardless of how many space is free on my iPad. How do you deal with that issue?
Thats fucking amazing, I search so long for an easy workflow because I just own an IPad as a private device. Thanks, Ben ❤
I was not aware that you also do this kind of stuff I know you only from your Keyboard things you do. 😅
Heh cheers! Yeah this channel is full of all kinds of random stuff! The algorithm doesn't know what to do with me.
Thank you for making this video! Using Apple Photos does have its attractions for sure. On the negative side, the volumes of junk photos that are already in the app, since it's been a "catch all" for years while my "artistic" photos have been placed in folders managed by Lightroom. Then I've read a few accounts of Raw Power lacking in highlight recovery compared to other raw editors. I'm wondering if you've made any direct comparisons of final edited images using other raw editing software.
My question stems from an photo editor's point of view: May one *benefit* from Apple's Mini-LED display for the M1 iPad Pro 12.9' during post-processing (in Photoshop Lightroom)? Or will one only get to witness the "glory" brightness of 1000 nits and beyond *only* when *viewing* HDR content? I've been told that Apple's new XDR projects at around 500/ 600 nits during normal usage. Do you notice any micro-contrast detail improvements when editing on the 12.9' mini-LED vs the normal 11'? Please advise, and thank you in advance.
I was less than impressed by the mini led display actually. Lots of bleed around white text on dark backgrounds. It is a very long way away from an oled that is for sure.
I have been thinking about - what if I want to move away from iCloud raw + jpeg editing in the future ? The only way that I can see of getting raw files off iCloud is to download them to the device (ipad in my case) with optimized storage disabled, and then hooking it up to a PC and grabbing them from DCIM. This assumes that sometime in the future, I have enough storage space on my iPad to handle this download ! Do you know of any other way to get the raw files off iCloud ? (downloads result in just the jpegs) ...
Bump. This is the major flaw with this workflow. It’s kinda infuriating that I can’t just access iCloud from any browser and download all my original raw files. I am currently running a ridiculous workaround. I import photos to iPad via SD card, cull and delete unwanted ones on the iPad, then I save the keepers to an album. On my PC, I download the album from iCloud, which of course gives me only JPEG‘s. Then I also import all of the original files from the SD card to a separate folder on my PC. Finally, I run a script that compares the file names in the iCloud folder to file names in the separate folder which contains all of the photos, and the script deletes any photos which are not also present in the iCloud folder.
@@jeremytheoneofdestiny8691 I mostly gave up on this by purchasing a Macbook Air. It has a real file system, which works as you would expect, and does not hide files. I don't use iCloud because of the issues discussed already with raw + jpeg. Instead, I use Google Drive, which saves the files as you would expect. I have on occasion, edited raw files on the iPad, but I do this by opening them from Google Drive. Much easier ! I have been a windows user for many, many years - I messed with Macs in the 80s before they started using Unix as the OS base, but still stayed with Windows. The Macbook has been a wonderful experience - so much easier to understand, OS updates take minutes instead of hours, the battery lasts for 12 hours .... I could go on and on and bore everybody to death - suffice it to say that editing on the Macbook is a hassle-free experience, and is thoroughly recommended by me !!
I bought the app because of your video. I hope they rely less on iCloud since one of the attractions to this app is that you don’t get locked into subscription...and I certainly don’t feel like giving apple more of my money than already happened
Yeah I figure someone has to provide your cloud storage and that part might as well be iCloud. From there it’s nice to be independent of third party photo subscriptions.
@@BenVallack Ben, how does the work flow work if you want to move files out of iCloud and retain the edits non destructively? Lightroom Classic is the only option I've found for this. I'll produce maybe 150gb this month, but don't need it in the cloud long, just long enough to touch up and export before I want to move the files to a NAS.
You can see my cloud storage costs would explode if I left everything there.
@@MRing1107 Interesting point - I think if you emailed the developer they would be able to clarify the way of exporting form iCloud to a stand alone situation. Certainly in principal it's possible because the stand alone mac app uses sidecar files to store non-descructive edits. The questing is what is the way to migrate from iCloud Photo Library to the sidecar format.
Please excuse if this is a daft question but I am confused with how my photos are uploading. I’m uploading currently via usb from Fuji to iPad Pro and it’s showing images under the Fuji heading with a label on them as jpeg and raw, it’s also opened them all under the heading raw (they look the same) and also opened under the heading “unable to upload” but they are able to be opened on the iPad?! 1. Does this mean that the raw is hidden and I can’t open it on the iPad without additional software or the app you mentioned (I don’t use a Mac) 2. Does it mean the images it’s uploaded under the title raw are or are not raw, 3. Are they taking up space on the iPad 3x over. And 4. Do I have to be using the cloud as I have turned off iCloud photos back up because I don’t pay for storage! Also of note, if I delete the photos under the unable to upload title all others go too in all headings. Apologies for the multiple questions but I have searched and searched and can’t find an answer. This video is the closest to giving me an answer. Any help is massively appreciated. Thanks.
I think the ‘unable to upload’ section is probably there just because you don’t have iCloud Photo Library enabled. So the photos are on the iPad but not in iCloud. When you edit the photos it will base the edits on the raw version. You will always be able to click the revert option to switch back to the JPEG that the camera created as well. You are storing the RAW and JPG with each image, yes. If you enabled iCloud it would offload the RAW version to the cloud and ave space on your iPad, only downloaded when needed.
@@BenVallack thank you, that makes sense. The problem with iCloud library on for photos is it will be full in no time and I don’t want to pay for extra storage when there are free ways to store photos so I’ll have to find a work around. Maybe upload to laptop and use the Fuji software rather than Lightroom and then save as jpeg or save to additional drive? I’ll keep on trying 😳😅
@@traceybartlam7737 It's the amazing integration with the Photos app that you're paying for really - it works really well, definitely one of the best workflows for managing raw photos.
Really great video. I really wanted to use the iPad photos app to import and store all my canon m50 photos which I shot in jpeg+ raw, without involving my (old) Mac or using iCloud. It’s not obvious when importing from the sd card directly into photos that both the raw and jpeg are imported bound together, and you can only see the raw files are there when you attempt to edit and the raw logo briefly flashes at the top of the screen. There is also no way to manually switch between raw and the jpeg display in the photos library like there is on the Mac version, and no way to view the file system for all your stored photos on the files app to see the different versions of the image that are stored. There’s is also no way for example to delete the raw file but keep the jpeg should u wish to save space etc. It’s a shame these basic features aren’t there as you don’t feel you have full control over what the app is doing with your images. The photos app is so nicely designed for viewing the images and enjoyable to use, if only they would allow slightly more manual control of your files. Perhaps in iOS 14...
Good info cheers!
I actually use the same raw + jpeg process. It does work pretty well. They've really improved their RAW engine over the last few years. It wasn't really usable when apple photos first came out.
I was wondering what your lighting process is on your talking portions say around 1:10. You do a really great job of making the lighting on your face look pleasant and the background look interesting but not distracting.
Edit: I was a dumb dumb and got confused.
Thanks for your comments! I can't get that long press thing to work - that sounds like a game changer - is that on the thumbnail or large or when editing the image? Thanks! I'll do a video on my little setup for TH-cam at some point I think.
@@BenVallack I'm sorry. I screwed up. I've been on a photos kick and messed up. I think I got it confused with darkroom on ipad or something. Sorry for wasting your time.
Heh no worries!
Hi, I downloaded the app after my original comment in October. I was unable to adjust my XT4 images because they were unsupported. It seemed the app doesn’t like compressed RAW. I’ve since changed to uncompressed but I’m still getting the same error that the image is unsupported. The JPG loads fine and Apple seems to recognise the RAW too. Any ideas?
Looks as though apple hasn’t added support for the XT4 files yet. Crazy! It’s been out for 10 months.
ugh yeah that is really frustrsting! I have the XT4 now but havn't checked importing on the app yet. Apparently it's the spec as XT3 and all they need to do is change the name to add support!
Yeah same here. Compressed, Lossless Compressed or Uncompressed settings are not working with RAW Power. A shame...
This video is amazing. Raw power is amazing. HOWEVER. There is one major flaw with this workflow. If you import photos to the iPad as JPEG+RAW pairs, there is NO way to ever get the RAW file back OFF of the ipad. If I try to send the photos to myself or download them from iCloud to another device, it only gives me jpegs. The whole reason I wanted this kind of workflow is because I want to cull images and pare them down on the iPad. Then I should be able to download the album (both JPEGS and RAWS) from iCloud to my PC for archiving and cold storage backup, or additional editing. It seems that iCloud is a one-way street when it comes to RAW files. You can upload them, but you can never download them back again. Frustrating limitation.
If you have iCloud sync on you can access the RAW files on your Mac after uploading via iPad?
@@BenVallack I don’t have a Mac. If trying to download onto PC, the .RAF files don’t show up. Neither when downloading from a browser nor from iCloud actually installed on Windows. It only shows jpegs.
I do face the exact same issue and am so frustrated about this. How can't we just copy / move those JPEG+RAW pairs to an external SSD Card. I neither use icloud nor do I have an Mac. But how can this be not possible to access the data that is somehow stored on the ipad. I even do not see the Photos in the "Data" App. I have no glue where it is.
Man this would ALMOST be perfect and a great way to replace Lightroom if it had brushes and frequency separation, I would make the jump in a heartbeat. I'm tired of paying for Adobe, but they're really the only game in town where you can edit and sync between all your devices and even on your browser and have all those tools at your disposal. I really wish Apple kept Aperture around and ported it to iPadOS. I believe many people would drop Adobe. As it is right now, I pay $20 a month for Adobe and 1TB of storage. Apple iCloud 2TB storage is $10 a month.
The things that are holding me back are:
- Editing apps look fine but I don’t know which ones support applying Film Simulations to the RAW, similar to how Lightroom does.
- Culling RAW+JPEG using the Files app seems really fiddly. I wish there was an app that lets you do culling off the SD card
Mobile LR does allow sims on the iPad.
I can’t upload my Fuji x100f raw files onto my iPad Pro period.
Seems odd - are you using the compressed fuji raw mode by any chance?
Compressed or uncompressed in Raw it just does not recognise the file !
Are you adding to Photos?
Automatically uploads to camera role, jpegs are no problem it’s just says no image when raw.
Hum I would love to know why that's happening - latest firmware on the camera?