Great comparison! I had a Tesla Model S for 4 years and your review of Autopilot is spot on. I was constantly annoyed by it and think it is over hyped by the fan boys. Travel Assist seems much better!
I have the exact same experience. I used to have a 2021 Passat GTE with full tracel assistant and it was great. I now have a Model Y and i have the same issues as you mention. Also, the passat handled roundabouts well, which we have lots of in Norway. The Tesla has no idea amwhat to do with roundabouts and just goes full speed into it if there are no cars in front.
My 2020 model 3 had distance 1 when I bought it, but maybe 6 or 12 months in to ownership 1 was no longer selectable and 2 was the minimum despite having lidar hardware as I far as I know
I’m just traveling from the Czech Rep. to Scotland in my Model 3 LR Highland and the missing TACC speed resume is pi$$ing me off. Just like the scary breaking for no reason 🤦🏻♂️ I really miss the ACC reliability from VW cars I used to have
From the U.S., I find autopilot works really well. What was atrocious was the FSD that I tried for the free month we all got. I felt like Elon was trying to kill me. We also got access to advanced autopilot which has auto lane change function, and that worked well too. I don’t think FSD will ever come to fruition using solely vision system. It’s just too unsafe.
@@binflydushy After years of VW cars (VW Passat, Skoda Superb, Skoda Kodiaq) I wanted something new and the central display/OS of Tesla cars is buttery smooth. That I like. My other choice was ID.7. That was much bigger. I want to give the car to my daughter after a year or two, so I decided to buy smaller and cheaper Model 3 LR.
ID series traffic assist is really good. I hardly ever drive without it. I recognize the situation where the car in front of me leaves via offramp and it tries to follow. The workaround is simple, push the pedal a bit until the car in front is gone.
Love your videos and often agree with your opinions. Regarding steering in Tesla, in mine I just rest one hand at the button of the steering wheel and then it very rarely ask my steer to acknowledge that I am there.
Yep. Elbow resting on centre console with hand lightly on steering wheel is most comfortable for me. No need ever to tug the steering wheel with more than minimal force. Just pull slightly for 1 second if needed.
Very informative video, would love the same test for other brands! My Volvo XC40 i.e. has a resume button for ACC which I love, but it brakes at 200m distance for a truck driving 90km/h on the highway which is super annoying. And this is on the closest distance setting for ACC. It also requires you to put force on the steering wheel every 10 secs when Pilot Assist is active, this makes it uncomfortable imo. Props to VW for doing it right! Pilot Assist also keeps a bit right of its lane on the highway with no ability to adjust this.
Thank you for this explanation and demonstration of the two systems. I've been interested in finding out how well the VW travel assist works in comparison to the Stellantis offering I'm used to and this has covered my questions.
This is the same experience I have with my NiroEV. No phantom breaking and the auto drive just works and can be split if you want it to steer or keep lane or both. It even learns driving habbits and tunes the distance and acceleration settings.
Model 3, you can also set the TACC and Autopilot target speed to the current speed limit by touching the speed limit icon on the screen. Easier than thumb wheel scrolling. With the earlier M3, MY (with stalks), depress the right stalk down and hold for a second or two to do the same: set TACC target speed to current speed limit. No idea how that will work with stalkless Highland.
100% agree with your comments on the Tesla autopilot, coming from previous car (Vauxhall Insignia) and my spare vehicle (Seat Leon) one with travel assist and the other with PACC, I found I trust them much more. I have experienced the exact same situation in my Tesla with phantom braking and when the road lines do something funky the car reacts weird trying to decide which line to follow, this can be quite scary if your traveling quite quickly. The problem is all in all I really like the Tesla Model 3 2024 so I hope a software update will sort out these inconsistencies and erratic behaviour.
I would say my 2020 model 3 has 2 types of ghost breaking; false positives where it somehow thinks there is danger or a change in road condition when there isn't and just starts to break at some random moment, and annoying training data where it decides to slow down 2 to 10 kmph because of a slight curve in the road or people feared there might be a speed trap behind the gas station so the car learned to break there for no good reason and it is always at the same spot. I have basic autopilot and it is terrible in practice because it switches off with every lane change and I have to double tap the right stalk twice and set my speed every time and it is just more cumbersome than normal driving so I almost never use it.
There is no 1 in the distance on Tesla autopilot since they removed/disabled the front radar and Remy only on vision system which is camera based. Before when there was a radar we had 1 as setting and we also had 150kmh max autopilot speed. Now it is 140kmh
Well, he just mentioned that the car is “scared” by light variations. Shadows tend to cause all sorts of unexpected behaviors, like phantom braking OR losing the current lane. Phantom braking was WAY more frequent when cars used radar, and it has improved a lot both in frequency and strength, but it is still there. And yes, when road lines disappear, get ready for manual control. Better still,might you know in advance, take control of the car.
If I remember my time driving a Nissan Leaf 40kWh with ProPilot in Bayern, most German country roads have the luxury of painted line on the road edge. How is VW TravelAssist on roads that have only centre lines and not well defined edges (no painted line, uneven gravel to bitumen (black road tar) surfece, broken, crumbled road edge)? My Tesla Model 3 SR+ (2019) handles Australian poorly marked rural roads really well. It does not handle poorly painted roads (patched road with missing lines and poorly designed lane merging markings).
Bingo. VAG cars disengage when they can't see both lines. I've been on roads with no markings at all in Bosnia and the Model Y stayed in autopilot without issues
Really nice video! It clearly shows that there are good alternatives to Tesla (I have a Model 3). VW question: Is this level and quality of “autopilot” specific to the ID.7 or is it similar on the smaller cars?
Great video! I had volvo xc90 with pilot assist before and it was much better than my model y autopilot. I think people that are using model y autopilot are satisfied of it because they have never tried another self driving system before. So they are happy because they don't know how much better other systems are. Ghost breakings, , slowness in regaining speed after a slowdown, unsuccessful lane changes are very common weaknesses of Autopilot systems. Right now a system like tesla vision only based on camera images is not yet mature.
Seems like you are correcting/assisting it alot in the VW. You dont need to do that in the Tesla, as it actually will steer completely for you, as long as it knows you are there. I usually just rest my hand on the nine-o-clock position of the steering wheel, and that keeps it happy. An update is comming, that will remove the need to touch anything at all, as long as the cabin camera can see your eyes, and knows you are watching the road. So at that point, Tesla will be way ahead again. Lets see if the rest then copy that idea. Probably, if they have good enough cabin cameras.
No need for assisting the steering in VW - just light hold with the fingertips - very relaxed. And as he said - Tesla seems to require more actual movements every now and then to keep it assured you are there.
@@EneriGiilaan it's just a little strange he never showed it steering without he's hands on the wheel, so we can actual see that the car is doing all of the job.
@@nilfisktun I have an ID.4 with the same system. Works as described - no need to steer yourself. But you have to keep a light touch and follow the movement of the wheel - works fine. And you can release from the wheel for a short period of time with no protest and it follows the road as expected. I have not clocked the tolerance - perhaps of the order of 15 seconds or so.
NOT TRUE !!!!!! Do you even know what a Capacitive Steering Wheel is??? TESLA DOESN'T HAVE A CAPACITATIVE WHEEL...NOT IN A MILLION YEAR CAN IT BE FIXED WITH AN UPDATE!!! STOP THE FAKE INFO !!!!Typical ignorante fanboy disinformation !!!! There is no comparison whatsoever between VW's capacitive steering wheel and Tesla's normal steering wheel, VW's system has NO flaws and works much, much better... VW's technology is light years ahead!
I have a Tesla model Y and an Audi Q4 for more than a year and I can totally confirm what you’re saying. Maybe in USA is a different story, but here in Germany Travel assist is far better.
In Tesla you can calibrate the cameras in the service meny. Recalibrate by finding a road with good and clear roadmarking, then autopilot is much better.
I think you just know the vw system way better... There are adjustments for autopilot in the settings. What's the problem without the resume? You can set it to just the speed limit - no need to have any other speed selected. I do miss the speed limiter in the Tesla. That's a useful feature. I agree the distance control is rubbish in the Tesla. The phantom braking however is mostly just people misunderstanding the system. It's very much a proactive and reactive system. So when it expects a situation may be dangerous (passing a pedestrian or cyclist too close by) it will trigger and reduce speed. It will pick up again afterwards. I was annoyed as well until I started to pay attention to the screen when this happens. As a human you may not have reduced speed there but it is not reasoning like one. It tends to be on the safer side which I appreciate
Great video. What is also annoying with Tesla auto steering is that, as far as I know, it does not auto resume when you change lanes, I think you need the large auto pilot package and let the car handle the lane change for this. Every other car auto resume steering.
A couple of years ago I commented on a post of yours that praised the AutoPilot that the TravelAssist was much better... at the time you countered my comment and said that "Tesla was better". I have had Teslas with AP since 2017 and VWs with TA since 2019 and one thing that has always been clear is that the TA is MUCH superior in everything to the AP... now that the TA also has the "Auto Lane Change" feature the advantage of TA is even greater.
When will you have Xpeng Motors XNGP on your Volkswagen ID? It should already be abailable, based on EJFJ humano-normed Reforms (Narch 15th, 1996), but not with AI, but with what should have introduced it since Fevruary 4th,1994 : EJFJ Positive Contextualisation (accurate detection of any object) and EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness!
I have had a model 3 for 5 years now and can confirm everything you said. But that said I really like the autopilot anyway since it keeps the car super steady in the middle of the lane and it handles curves great, let’s hope we will get FSD to Europe also.
@@jellyd4889 " cutting edgo yoe"???? Hahahaha ... ALL the others MAKE MUTCH better cars with MORE features and tech !!!Do you even have a driver's licence ???
I currently drive an ID4 (2022), but decided my next car will be a tesla. one of the main reasons is that immidiately with a bit of rain all safety features start blinking that they are out of service, and during winter it's just hopeless. Also the heat pump is completely useless, when it's -20 C outside I'm sitting with 30~ kw charging speed sometimes, rarely over 70 kw at least. I do hope the model 3 I will get later this year doesn't require me to fight it too much to keep the autopilot going though, otherwise it kind of loses the point
Currently have a VW Golf 8 with travel assist, it has lots of limitations, which includes ghost braking, not picking up on other cars cutting in front of me and then braking hard, not adapting to speed limit changes, etc…. I am due to take delivery of a TM3 with EAP, I am very confident that this will suit my needs much better than VE travel assist .
I never had a car with good ACC and lane assist besides my VW Passat and VW Arteon. Everything else tried to kill me at least a few times. It is sad that VW is considered to have bad software when the actual driving features are excellent.
Lack of reliable parking sensors and lack of front parking camera played a role why we didn’t choose Tesla. Recently my wife said that she will not drive a car without 360 degree parking camera system anymore. Cybertruck has front camera finally, so there’s hope for Tesla to eventually add it to Model 3 and Y too.
@@klikar1982Autopark requires EAP or FSD, and it is useless in Europe anyway because we have way tighter parking spaces. So what you need is a front bumper camera.
Its a shame that VW doesn't produce a really efficient car like Tesla 3 for those that just need a commuter car. ID.7 is probably the best electric car on the marked, but also too big and expensive to be a Tesla 3 competitor.
I drive a Model X daily in the EU. I have no phantom brake or that weird steering wheel movement. I want to buy a Model Y when juniper will be available next year, but now I am scared that 3 and Y might have issues. The middle positioning with a large car like this can be scary on narrow roads cos it only moves to the right when I got closer to the oncoming car(3-5 meters)
I have a highland and it's perfectly fine. It does not phantom break. It slows down when it expects danger, like passing pedestrians too closely. A lot of phantom brake videos I've seen are really just people not understanding the system is anticipating danger - which is how it can also get you out of a bad situation the way other cars can't. I understand it's not how people like their car but I've had no phantom braking here in Europe for over 13k km
@@BSquare1989 Thank you for your answer on this topic. Can you please respond again after a while, like next year also please. I have to make sure before the "upgrade".
I really don’t like Tesla but what do you think happens, when there is no light and rain in any other car? You do realize they all NEED and WORK with cameras right?
@@ichigo19870 AFAIK VW can use cameras, but also as a secondary system, additional sensors like radar or lidar (not sure which one). Tesla cut the cost and rely on cameras only.
@@Lascarnn u don’t get the point. If the camera is blocked in a VW, Lidar, Radar and other sensors won’t matter. If the car can’t see, the system will stop working. Otherwise just try it at home. Use tape, put it over your camera and see what happens ;)
Thats not true! We had never problems with it and also here on YT you can find enough videos, that shows how good it works in heavy rain and dark nights.
Yes my Golf 8 and T6 bus work fine in bad conditions with lidar. Old BMW mini platform also only had camera and no lidar: X1, X2, 2 series, Mini Countryman, and could not cope with rain etc.
speed set.. auto resume. You do have a point. but your example only works if you stay on same speed road. if the road speed changes / you change road with new speed.. you will resume and the car will be at the wrong speed for the current road. Example, set speed is 70mph and the road has changed to 45 mph (speed trap), your VW will speed up fast to 70 mph.
Yeah, I don’t really understand the hype around Tesla auto-pilot. Sure it’s quite impressive that it can see so much on the road but ultimately, it doesn’t make a good use of it 🤷🏻♀️ I guess they were kind of a pioneer on this, but since then, the others have caught up and did better
I have MY and ID.3 Autopilot is superior. It can see far away and warn you if you are going to hit with the current speed, it is really good at protecting you from people who suddenly want to cut you from the front and better at keeping you in the lane This is my experience after 20k KM on each car Autopilot only missing adaptive speed change
Travel Assist seems so much better. I drive Tesla and it's just crazy to me they can't do better. They are supposed to be solving robotaxi!? It's not terrible, but so many small fixes that shouldn't be very hard to do.
Tesla autopilot in Europe is not the real thing. It’s sucks like it used to be in US several years ago. Good news is that hopefully Europe will experience the real FSD soon if regulators allowed.
isn't the highway driving very similar or the same ....what version is the highway driving software in EU and USA ....they were going to be merging the highway and the new city driving method since version 12 or whatever it was but I'm not sure they have done it yet I don't think the regulators have much to do with it it's just driver assist feature u have to constantly watch .....they just don't have as much data as usa and some stuff r a bit different and it's not a priority for them
the reason is simple: "auto"pilot via cameras only is not safe, period (plus insurance companies will never accept there's no human obligation in traffic environment)
US laws do not value life. All the rust buckets driving there. Allowing guns that are only designed for one thing. So, it makes sense the US gets Automous driving first. Good luck.
@@Jeroenneman "outselling" ??? VW sells more EVs in the EU!!!! - Tesla are the cheapest!! - People misinformed by misinformation buy Teslas without realizing they are buying snake oil
I find it interesting that after the waves and waves of propaganda and fanbois crapping on it, there are things about the MEB system that turn out to be markedly better in a way that I care about.
Tesla Autopilot is an old software in Europe nowdays. It hasn't been heavily updated for almost 5 years. And the reason for that is cause Tesla is pushing all into FSD AI training in the US, and once that software will be ready, and UNECE regulations will allow it, they will release an update to the non US cars which have the FSD capability option purchased. That ""ADAS"" is Years and Years far ahead of any other car company. And the cool thing is that every Tesla on the road produced after Oct 2016 is able to drive itself with FSD. And having a car with such a powerful potential that runs a limited software due to local regulations really pisses me off.
Amazing that European legacy cars can do that AND in parallel be working on FSD, like a gazillion suppliers. They have 10 years to perfect it before it will be allowed.
ich hatte ein M3 2000km in Kalifornien und auch dort hat mich der Autopilot nicht begeistert. Der angeblich autonome beta-Autopilot ging nur auf ganz kurzen Autobahn Etappen unter 10km. Tesla kennt keine Ampel und deine Kreisel. Es sollte nicht Autopilot heißen!
Why did you not talk about the Big problems the id cars have with the map provinser “HERE” that do give the id cars ghost breaking and wrong speed ajistmens.
When will you have Xpeng Motors' XNGP (ADAS up to level 4.2 for now) on your Volkswagen ID? It sjould already be abailable, based on EJFJ humano-normed Reforms, but not with AI, but EJFJ Posotive Contextualisation (accurate detection of any object) and EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness! Unfortunately Programming is caduc and nefast, as oarzial and not posotively contectualized as it should je, by resiecting scientific knowledge, physical limitations, security needs, accurate limitatilns or rules, by making all contribute soaribg any nefast excess in anyway! Only the Best (=== strict necessary benefitable to all alive beings) is legal. Too much or too few is never good, but the accurate quality should be reached, accordingly to the skecific needs of the user! Very good that you request being able to drive more on the right than usually, far from others vehicles driving in the opposite direction, or more on the left in order to be always far from the riad border ... The problem is for the accuracy lf this when 2 drivers have digferent habits and could fear touching the mirrors of the other vehicle which drives exactly on the opposite side of its lane than the one you drive... Without EJFJ Positive Communication between computing systems especially of the vehicles and the road equipments (lightnings, buildings, ...) and without EJFJ Positive Contextualisation sone defficiencies could unfortunately happen, that is wjy the middle of the lane appeared to be the most accurate position to drive securely... But the center beeds ti be calculated according to the rest of available riad width accordibg of all vehicles using the road at the quite same distance from a road point (entry, round about, specific roads equipments). If many vehicles are close the ones from the others, they should communicate, and delegate accordibg to their specificities (rapidity and efficiency to quit this crowded place, or fragility and slowlyness as bikes or pedestrians for example, or heavy but slow vehicles for trucks or other large vehicles which are the last to have the oriority but which need to free the place to let others continue nocing correctly so wjich should if possible necer be blocked in a traffic jam! All should benefit of mpre freedom, more secirity, by letting each others passing qickly without any loss of anything ! Time is money! Nothibg should ever be lost! principles.ejfj.org....
It's just Autopilot, running old FSD 11. It's somewhat cool, but can't be compared to FSD 12.4.2 - VW will never solve fully self driving. No data, no supercomputer cluster, no computer in car for neural networks. It's unfair really. It's like comparing a medieval knight with a modern soldier from today. ❤❤❤
@@iAMChrisCC I get the internet meme but in real life Tesla owners don't complain about panel gaps or issues and all the owners I know came from German cars. If people valued panel gaps so much Tesla Y wouldn't be the most sold vehicle on earth 2 years in a row
@Twin.motors So was the Toyota Corolla and tha wasn't inspiring in any way either. But it was reliable and well built. For info, I have the M3 and MY available on my company car list at minus contribution (I.e..the refund covers the tax so i would get paid to drive ine) built I'd still rather pay £50 to £100 a month for a BMW, Polestar etc purely to avoid the stigma of the Tesla (and the uncomfortable ride, awful seats and road noise)
@iAMChrisCC awful ride ? Awful seats and road noise. Have you ever driven one ? I switched from CLS, my brother switched from an S class and we're not complaining. Just repeating internet memes is not a good approach, maybe try one out for yourself next time.
Wow, that's 14:35 minutes that I won't get back. I thought this would be an impartial review between the two, but unfortunately, your conscious bias was getting in the way.
You don't need resume if you have EAP in Tesla - you sinply let the car change lane. And the cruise control in MEB is really bad as it in practice can only change in 10 km/h intervals. And the MEB ghost brakes too as it accidentally identifies an 80 zone or even 60 zone on a 130 km/h motorway.... that is the same as ghost braking. Number of Ghost brakes are the same. What you might not realize is that the ID cars qre developed in Germany for German roads/signs - the Tesla is american. But in Denmark they both fail.
@@frazzefraz Maybe in the new ones - but in my wifes 2020 id.3 it easily jumps when you use the arrows...... and quite frankly that are the ones that should set it.... so she have never used it - 142000 km and I also use it seldom as it required to set it again if changing (apart from the sign recognision). it is like the window open/close keys or the missing light for the touch keys (which they 4 years later have changed). The car UI is designed by somebody with very bad hangover. Let me test drive the ID.3 and see if the set and resume keys have a secret function which I have overlooked for 142000 km.
I just checked - no it doesn't work. The way the 'key' is made you can accidentally push it so it takes of 1 but the next time it takes of to the nearest 10 km/h and sometimes 10 km/h right away. My wife has a Model Y now and then we have this so far un-sell-able id.3. The car works fine but the VW reputation and EV's are simply destroyed in Denmark. Used Skoda Enyaqs are sellibg for high prices but id.x cars are dumped - worst id.3.
Of course a native German would prefer VAG. Tell me one thing... Why is it that VAG throws money at both Rivian and Xpeng? Maybe because they really know their EV software sucks big time. 🙂
Autopilot/FSD v11 had Ghost breaking. Solved long time ago. Not a problem with FSD 12.x They solve two different problems. VW - is fine with lane assist. While Tesla solves self driving. Can be wrong fully be thought as the same thing. But it would like saying a bicycle and a car is the same. They are both vehicles. Why Tesla has FSD 11 as Autopilot I don't know. It could be that you paid 8k for FSD and it would be better, or something
As a proud owner of a highland long range tesla destroys all old legacy car companies. .. previous car Was alfa romeo giulia...best handling salon car on planet
Great idea for a video 👍 This channel just get better and better... Chris is upping the game 😎
Great comparison! I had a Tesla Model S for 4 years and your review of Autopilot is spot on. I was constantly annoyed by it and think it is over hyped by the fan boys. Travel Assist seems much better!
It is because the eu crippled autopilot as tesla had too big of an advantage
I have the exact same experience. I used to have a 2021 Passat GTE with full tracel assistant and it was great. I now have a Model Y and i have the same issues as you mention. Also, the passat handled roundabouts well, which we have lots of in Norway. The Tesla has no idea amwhat to do with roundabouts and just goes full speed into it if there are no cars in front.
Distance 1 was only available for cars with sensors/radar. Since Tesla removed them, using only cameras for ACC, minimum distance is now 2
Nice fun fact! Isn't that a concession from Tesla that sensors are more accurate than cameras?
@@eirikm87 Thought the same when I learned it hahahaa
My 2020 model 3 had distance 1 when I bought it, but maybe 6 or 12 months in to ownership 1 was no longer selectable and 2 was the minimum despite having lidar hardware as I far as I know
@jamesraisonx fully correct! It's just not used anymore for AP/FSD, disabled in software
I’m just traveling from the Czech Rep. to Scotland in my Model 3 LR Highland and the missing TACC speed resume is pi$$ing me off. Just like the scary breaking for no reason 🤦🏻♂️ I really miss the ACC reliability from VW cars I used to have
I’ve used both and Tesla Autopilot is actually quite scary. The VW system isn’t perfect but definitely more reliable.
Why did you even go for the Tesla, a car should be a well thought out investment
From the U.S., I find autopilot works really well. What was atrocious was the FSD that I tried for the free month we all got. I felt like Elon was trying to kill me. We also got access to advanced autopilot which has auto lane change function, and that worked well too. I don’t think FSD will ever come to fruition using solely vision system. It’s just too unsafe.
@@binflydushy After years of VW cars (VW Passat, Skoda Superb, Skoda Kodiaq) I wanted something new and the central display/OS of Tesla cars is buttery smooth. That I like. My other choice was ID.7. That was much bigger. I want to give the car to my daughter after a year or two, so I decided to buy smaller and cheaper Model 3 LR.
As someone who drive by themselve I dont understand the need for any TAAC, or any kind of assist in any car brand.
Excellent review. Matches the result of another similar review I've seen by an American who demonstrated the same features.
I drive a ID4 and a Tesla Y. I agree completely with you.
ID series traffic assist is really good. I hardly ever drive without it. I recognize the situation where the car in front of me leaves via offramp and it tries to follow. The workaround is simple, push the pedal a bit until the car in front is gone.
Love your videos and often agree with your opinions. Regarding steering in Tesla, in mine I just rest one hand at the button of the steering wheel and then it very rarely ask my steer to acknowledge that I am there.
Yep. Elbow resting on centre console with hand lightly on steering wheel is most comfortable for me. No need ever to tug the steering wheel with more than minimal force. Just pull slightly for 1 second if needed.
Very informative video, would love the same test for other brands! My Volvo XC40 i.e. has a resume button for ACC which I love, but it brakes at 200m distance for a truck driving 90km/h on the highway which is super annoying. And this is on the closest distance setting for ACC.
It also requires you to put force on the steering wheel every 10 secs when Pilot Assist is active, this makes it uncomfortable imo. Props to VW for doing it right!
Pilot Assist also keeps a bit right of its lane on the highway with no ability to adjust this.
Thank you for this explanation and demonstration of the two systems. I've been interested in finding out how well the VW travel assist works in comparison to the Stellantis offering I'm used to and this has covered my questions.
This is the same experience I have with my NiroEV. No phantom breaking and the auto drive just works and can be split if you want it to steer or keep lane or both. It even learns driving habbits and tunes the distance and acceleration settings.
Thanks this is an informative video
Model 3, you can also set the TACC and Autopilot target speed to the current speed limit by touching the speed limit icon on the screen. Easier than thumb wheel scrolling. With the earlier M3, MY (with stalks), depress the right stalk down and hold for a second or two to do the same: set TACC target speed to current speed limit. No idea how that will work with stalkless Highland.
This is actually a great video, not a lot of comparisons of this, and this is exactly what thought when i changed from Tesla to Audi.
How are they doing in bad weather, like heavy rain or a lot of sidewinds?
Travel Assist is fantastic.
Please try others also, like Kia, BMW and Mercedes.
100% agree with your comments on the Tesla autopilot, coming from previous car (Vauxhall Insignia) and my spare vehicle (Seat Leon) one with travel assist and the other with PACC, I found I trust them much more. I have experienced the exact same situation in my Tesla with phantom braking and when the road lines do something funky the car reacts weird trying to decide which line to follow, this can be quite scary if your traveling quite quickly.
The problem is all in all I really like the Tesla Model 3 2024 so I hope a software update will sort out these inconsistencies and erratic behaviour.
One of the reasons i am back to my Škoda Enyaq. So much better!
Could it be the seconds? 2 to 7 seconds distance?
I would say my 2020 model 3 has 2 types of ghost breaking; false positives where it somehow thinks there is danger or a change in road condition when there isn't and just starts to break at some random moment, and annoying training data where it decides to slow down 2 to 10 kmph because of a slight curve in the road or people feared there might be a speed trap behind the gas station so the car learned to break there for no good reason and it is always at the same spot.
I have basic autopilot and it is terrible in practice because it switches off with every lane change and I have to double tap the right stalk twice and set my speed every time and it is just more cumbersome than normal driving so I almost never use it.
FYI, ACC distance levels are measured in seconds on VW and other cars I've tried. Sounds like that's not the case for Tesla?
There is no 1 in the distance on Tesla autopilot since they removed/disabled the front radar and Remy only on vision system which is camera based.
Before when there was a radar we had 1 as setting and we also had 150kmh max autopilot speed. Now it is 140kmh
There's some slightly untrue informations about autopilot but it's very minor. This is exactly the video we needed !
And yet you list nothing....
Well, he just mentioned that the car is “scared” by light variations. Shadows tend to cause all sorts of unexpected behaviors, like phantom braking OR losing the current lane. Phantom braking was WAY more frequent when cars used radar, and it has improved a lot both in frequency and strength, but it is still there. And yes, when road lines disappear, get ready for manual control. Better still,might you know in advance, take control of the car.
@@laloajuria4678The video mentions the problems.
If I remember my time driving a Nissan Leaf 40kWh with ProPilot in Bayern, most German country roads have the luxury of painted line on the road edge. How is VW TravelAssist on roads that have only centre lines and not well defined edges (no painted line, uneven gravel to bitumen (black road tar) surfece, broken, crumbled road edge)? My Tesla Model 3 SR+ (2019) handles Australian poorly marked rural roads really well. It does not handle poorly painted roads (patched road with missing lines and poorly designed lane merging markings).
Bingo. VAG cars disengage when they can't see both lines. I've been on roads with no markings at all in Bosnia and the Model Y stayed in autopilot without issues
Really nice video! It clearly shows that there are good alternatives to Tesla (I have a Model 3).
VW question: Is this level and quality of “autopilot” specific to the ID.7 or is it similar on the smaller cars?
It's the same in the smaller cars
same on my ID.3
Great video! I had volvo xc90 with pilot assist before and it was much better than my model y autopilot. I think people that are using model y autopilot are satisfied of it because they have never tried another self driving system before. So they are happy because they don't know how much better other systems are. Ghost breakings, , slowness in regaining speed after a slowdown,
unsuccessful lane changes are very common weaknesses of Autopilot systems. Right now a system like tesla vision only based on camera images is not yet mature.
Seems like you are correcting/assisting it alot in the VW. You dont need to do that in the Tesla, as it actually will steer completely for you, as long as it knows you are there. I usually just rest my hand on the nine-o-clock position of the steering wheel, and that keeps it happy.
An update is comming, that will remove the need to touch anything at all, as long as the cabin camera can see your eyes, and knows you are watching the road.
So at that point, Tesla will be way ahead again. Lets see if the rest then copy that idea. Probably, if they have good enough cabin cameras.
No need for assisting the steering in VW - just light hold with the fingertips - very relaxed. And as he said - Tesla seems to require more actual movements every now and then to keep it assured you are there.
@@EneriGiilaan it's just a little strange he never showed it steering without he's hands on the wheel, so we can actual see that the car is doing all of the job.
@@nilfisktun I have an ID.4 with the same system. Works as described - no need to steer yourself. But you have to keep a light touch and follow the movement of the wheel - works fine. And you can release from the wheel for a short period of time with no protest and it follows the road as expected. I have not clocked the tolerance - perhaps of the order of 15 seconds or so.
NOT TRUE !!!!!!
Do you even know what a Capacitive Steering Wheel is???
TESLA DOESN'T HAVE A CAPACITATIVE WHEEL...NOT IN A MILLION YEAR CAN IT BE FIXED WITH AN UPDATE!!!
STOP THE FAKE INFO !!!!Typical ignorante fanboy disinformation !!!!
There is no comparison whatsoever between VW's capacitive steering wheel and Tesla's normal steering wheel, VW's system has NO flaws and works much, much better... VW's technology is light years ahead!
I have a Tesla model Y and an Audi Q4 for more than a year and I can totally confirm what you’re saying. Maybe in USA is a different story, but here in Germany Travel assist is far better.
In Tesla you can calibrate the cameras in the service meny. Recalibrate by finding a road with good and clear roadmarking, then autopilot is much better.
I think you just know the vw system way better... There are adjustments for autopilot in the settings. What's the problem without the resume? You can set it to just the speed limit - no need to have any other speed selected. I do miss the speed limiter in the Tesla. That's a useful feature. I agree the distance control is rubbish in the Tesla. The phantom braking however is mostly just people misunderstanding the system. It's very much a proactive and reactive system. So when it expects a situation may be dangerous (passing a pedestrian or cyclist too close by) it will trigger and reduce speed. It will pick up again afterwards. I was annoyed as well until I started to pay attention to the screen when this happens. As a human you may not have reduced speed there but it is not reasoning like one. It tends to be on the safer side which I appreciate
This is the video I've been waiting for 😂
Great video. What is also annoying with Tesla auto steering is that, as far as I know, it does not auto resume when you change lanes, I think you need the large auto pilot package and let the car handle the lane change for this. Every other car auto resume steering.
A couple of years ago I commented on a post of yours that praised the AutoPilot that the TravelAssist was much better... at the time you countered my comment and said that "Tesla was better".
I have had Teslas with AP since 2017 and VWs with TA since 2019 and one thing that has always been clear is that the TA is MUCH superior in everything to the AP... now that the TA also has the "Auto Lane Change" feature the advantage of TA is even greater.
When will you have Xpeng Motors XNGP on your Volkswagen ID? It should already be abailable, based on EJFJ humano-normed Reforms (Narch 15th, 1996), but not with AI, but with what should have introduced it since Fevruary 4th,1994 : EJFJ Positive Contextualisation (accurate detection of any object) and EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness!
In Tesla world the cruise control distance is loosely car lengths, so 3 is approximately 3 car lengths.
Our Tesla’s bad ACC is one of the primary reasons we’re getting an ID4 now instead. Even our prior Hyundai from 2018 had superior ACC to Tesla.
I have had a model 3 for 5 years now and can confirm everything you said. But that said I really like the autopilot anyway since it keeps the car super steady in the middle of the lane and it handles curves great, let’s hope we will get FSD to Europe also.
That'll be in 10 years when everyone will have caught up. Nvidia or another supplier selling the tech to everyone..
But yes, Tesla is on cutting edge, pushing it forward, making others sit up and do something.
@@jellyd4889 " cutting edgo yoe"???? Hahahaha ... ALL the others MAKE MUTCH better cars with MORE features and tech !!!Do you even have a driver's licence ???
Tipical ignorante fanboy comment!!
- FSD IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO TA !!!!
- FSD WILL NEVER EXIST IN EU !!!
- FSD IS A MYTH !!!!!
I currently drive an ID4 (2022), but decided my next car will be a tesla. one of the main reasons is that immidiately with a bit of rain all safety features start blinking that they are out of service, and during winter it's just hopeless.
Also the heat pump is completely useless, when it's -20 C outside I'm sitting with 30~ kw charging speed sometimes, rarely over 70 kw at least.
I do hope the model 3 I will get later this year doesn't require me to fight it too much to keep the autopilot going though, otherwise it kind of loses the point
Currently have a VW Golf 8 with travel assist, it has lots of limitations, which includes ghost braking, not picking up on other cars cutting in front of me and then braking hard, not adapting to speed limit changes, etc….
I am due to take delivery of a TM3 with EAP, I am very confident that this will suit my needs much better than VE travel assist .
I never had a car with good ACC and lane assist besides my VW Passat and VW Arteon. Everything else tried to kill me at least a few times. It is sad that VW is considered to have bad software when the actual driving features are excellent.
Analisi perfetta 👍🏼
Good comparison! I also understand that Tesla is really bad when parking since they saved costs and removed the important ultrasonic sensors, too.
Lack of reliable parking sensors and lack of front parking camera played a role why we didn’t choose Tesla. Recently my wife said that she will not drive a car without 360 degree parking camera system anymore. Cybertruck has front camera finally, so there’s hope for Tesla to eventually add it to Model 3 and Y too.
Few days ago, there was autopark update and parking has been significantly improved.
@@klikar1982Autopark requires EAP or FSD, and it is useless in Europe anyway because we have way tighter parking spaces. So what you need is a front bumper camera.
@@superleggenda I own FSD. Parking is not useless, it is usefull, especially after latest update. I use it occasionally to see improvements in AI.
I agree new parking available in tesla using vision has improved a lot
Its a shame that VW doesn't produce a really efficient car like Tesla 3 for those that just need a commuter car. ID.7 is probably the best electric car on the marked, but also too big and expensive to be a Tesla 3 competitor.
I drive a Model X daily in the EU. I have no phantom brake or that weird steering wheel movement. I want to buy a Model Y when juniper will be available next year, but now I am scared that 3 and Y might have issues. The middle positioning with a large car like this can be scary on narrow roads cos it only moves to the right when I got closer to the oncoming car(3-5 meters)
BULLSHIT !!! Go home Musk !!!!
I have a highland and it's perfectly fine. It does not phantom break. It slows down when it expects danger, like passing pedestrians too closely. A lot of phantom brake videos I've seen are really just people not understanding the system is anticipating danger - which is how it can also get you out of a bad situation the way other cars can't. I understand it's not how people like their car but I've had no phantom braking here in Europe for over 13k km
@@BSquare1989 Thank you for your answer on this topic. Can you please respond again after a while, like next year also please. I have to make sure before the "upgrade".
@@BSquare1989 hahahah, and I bet the your Model 3 also goes 2000 miles on one charge ... sure, whatever dude...
The review was also done in bright light. In rain / night, Tesla Autopilot will be even worse, because it relies only on cameras.
I really don’t like Tesla but what do you think happens, when there is no light and rain in any other car? You do realize they all NEED and WORK with cameras right?
@@ichigo19870 AFAIK VW can use cameras, but also as a secondary system, additional sensors like radar or lidar (not sure which one). Tesla cut the cost and rely on cameras only.
@@Lascarnn u don’t get the point. If the camera is blocked in a VW, Lidar, Radar and other sensors won’t matter. If the car can’t see, the system will stop working. Otherwise just try it at home. Use tape, put it over your camera and see what happens ;)
Thats not true! We had never problems with it and also here on YT you can find enough videos, that shows how good it works in heavy rain and dark nights.
Yes my Golf 8 and T6 bus work fine in bad conditions with lidar. Old BMW mini platform also only had camera and no lidar: X1, X2, 2 series, Mini Countryman, and could not cope with rain etc.
speed set.. auto resume. You do have a point. but your example only works if you stay on same speed road. if the road speed changes / you change road with new speed.. you will resume and the car will be at the wrong speed for the current road. Example, set speed is 70mph and the road has changed to 45 mph (speed trap), your VW will speed up fast to 70 mph.
Yeah, I don’t really understand the hype around Tesla auto-pilot. Sure it’s quite impressive that it can see so much on the road but ultimately, it doesn’t make a good use of it 🤷🏻♀️
I guess they were kind of a pioneer on this, but since then, the others have caught up and did better
I have MY and ID.3
Autopilot is superior. It can see far away and warn you if you are going to hit with the current speed, it is really good at protecting you from people who suddenly want to cut you from the front and better at keeping you in the lane
This is my experience after 20k KM on each car
Autopilot only missing adaptive speed change
From my poiny of view, hype is about FSD which is not in Europe yet. Watch some videos from US.
@@klikar1982 I don't believe in FSD .. too much wasted money .. autopilot is enough
@@otacon_ahyoAll the things you mentioned should be permanently supervised by the driver anyways so VW Travel assist is actually better
@binflydushy Yes i never get my hand off the wheel but the AP is way better than Travel assist
Travel Assist seems so much better. I drive Tesla and it's just crazy to me they can't do better. They are supposed to be solving robotaxi!? It's not terrible, but so many small fixes that shouldn't be very hard to do.
Autopilot has nothing to do with FSD. It's like comparing your flashlight to a set of matrix headlights. They're two entirely different things
Tesla autopilot in Europe is not the real thing. It’s sucks like it used to be in US several years ago. Good news is that hopefully Europe will experience the real FSD soon if regulators allowed.
isn't the highway driving very similar or the same ....what version is the highway driving software in EU and USA ....they were going to be merging the highway and the new city driving method since version 12 or whatever it was but I'm not sure they have done it yet
I don't think the regulators have much to do with it it's just driver assist feature u have to constantly watch .....they just don't have as much data as usa and some stuff r a bit different and it's not a priority for them
the reason is simple: "auto"pilot via cameras only is not safe, period (plus insurance companies will never accept there's no human obligation in traffic environment)
@@izoyt who says that? and what are your statistics on this?
Autopilot in the US is basically the same if you don‘t use FSD compared to Europe
US laws do not value life. All the rust buckets driving there. Allowing guns that are only designed for one thing. So, it makes sense the US gets Automous driving first. Good luck.
That's the problem with Tesla. Without FSD, Tesla cannot hold its own against other cars. Sigh ..
Except they're still outselling every competitor. Clearly, some people appreciate the entire package more than the single parts that make a car.
@@Jeroenneman "outselling" ??? VW sells more EVs in the EU!!!!
- Tesla are the cheapest!!
- People misinformed by misinformation buy Teslas without realizing they are buying snake oil
well they r both "travel assist"
I find it interesting that after the waves and waves of propaganda and fanbois crapping on it, there are things about the MEB system that turn out to be markedly better in a way that I care about.
and that is?
@@TAD-9 Probably the free coffee at the dealership, since that's where most MEB cars will end up. Inefficient, slow, riddled with bugs, ugly as hell.
autopilot is old, but what's new & ultra modern is FSD, VW can't even dream about things like FSD is
well well i think travel assist is as good if not better then the Tesla. Verry important in rondabouts the Travelasists does a better jobb
Tesla attention monitoring is a pain😢 … reason not to buy in my opinion. Have you tested auto steer in Mercedes and BMW?
Wear sunglasses or block the camera to avoid the autopilot nag😊
@@LuciaGomez-yb3om camera has been blocked for a year. Nag is persistent.
Get a steering wheel weight.. makes it 10x better
Tesla Autopilot is an old software in Europe nowdays. It hasn't been heavily updated for almost 5 years. And the reason for that is cause Tesla is pushing all into FSD AI training in the US, and once that software will be ready, and UNECE regulations will allow it, they will release an update to the non US cars which have the FSD capability option purchased. That ""ADAS"" is Years and Years far ahead of any other car company. And the cool thing is that every Tesla on the road produced after Oct 2016 is able to drive itself with FSD. And having a car with such a powerful potential that runs a limited software due to local regulations really pisses me off.
Amazing that European legacy cars can do that AND in parallel be working on FSD, like a gazillion suppliers. They have 10 years to perfect it before it will be allowed.
ich hatte ein M3 2000km in Kalifornien und auch dort hat mich der Autopilot nicht begeistert. Der angeblich autonome beta-Autopilot ging nur auf ganz kurzen Autobahn Etappen unter 10km. Tesla kennt keine Ampel und deine Kreisel. Es sollte nicht Autopilot heißen!
warum nicht? Autopilot machst genau was autopilot machst - set speed, direction and it keeps it... exact, what it is all about...
Why would it stop at red lights ? You didn't use FSD, you used autopilot. They're two separate things
The amount of half-knowledge here ... 😆😆
Why did you not talk about the Big problems the id cars have with the map provinser “HERE” that do give the id cars ghost breaking and wrong speed ajistmens.
When will you have Xpeng Motors' XNGP (ADAS up to level 4.2 for now) on your Volkswagen ID? It sjould already be abailable, based on EJFJ humano-normed Reforms, but not with AI, but EJFJ Posotive Contextualisation (accurate detection of any object) and EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness! Unfortunately Programming is caduc and nefast, as oarzial and not posotively contectualized as it should je, by resiecting scientific knowledge, physical limitations, security needs, accurate limitatilns or rules, by making all contribute soaribg any nefast excess in anyway! Only the Best (=== strict necessary benefitable to all alive beings) is legal. Too much or too few is never good, but the accurate quality should be reached, accordingly to the skecific needs of the user! Very good that you request being able to drive more on the right than usually, far from others vehicles driving in the opposite direction, or more on the left in order to be always far from the riad border ... The problem is for the accuracy lf this when 2 drivers have digferent habits and could fear touching the mirrors of the other vehicle which drives exactly on the opposite side of its lane than the one you drive... Without EJFJ Positive Communication between computing systems especially of the vehicles and the road equipments (lightnings, buildings, ...) and without EJFJ Positive Contextualisation sone defficiencies could unfortunately happen, that is wjy the middle of the lane appeared to be the most accurate position to drive securely... But the center beeds ti be calculated according to the rest of available riad width accordibg of all vehicles using the road at the quite same distance from a road point (entry, round about, specific roads equipments). If many vehicles are close the ones from the others, they should communicate, and delegate accordibg to their specificities (rapidity and efficiency to quit this crowded place, or fragility and slowlyness as bikes or pedestrians for example, or heavy but slow vehicles for trucks or other large vehicles which are the last to have the oriority but which need to free the place to let others continue nocing correctly so wjich should if possible necer be blocked in a traffic jam! All should benefit of mpre freedom, more secirity, by letting each others passing qickly without any loss of anything ! Time is money! Nothibg should ever be lost! principles.ejfj.org....
It's just Autopilot, running old FSD 11. It's somewhat cool, but can't be compared to FSD 12.4.2 - VW will never solve fully self driving. No data, no supercomputer cluster, no computer in car for neural networks. It's unfair really. It's like comparing a medieval knight with a modern soldier from today. ❤❤❤
There is no FSD in Europe.
@@starvictory7079 it will be..
I have a Volvo, an Audi, a BMW, a Mercedes and 3 Tesla’s, but I am still not happy.
With Tesla, you. have to think like Elon. You do what I give you.
Kinda like Apple
The best part of the VW system is that you're not sat in a sodding Tesla 👍
Yeah rite !? So much nicer paying 20 grand more for having half the horsepower and options yeah! VW! Yeah man. Totally
@Twin.motors You're getting decent build quality and comfort instead. Tesla cars are absolutely shit.
@@iAMChrisCC I get the internet meme but in real life Tesla owners don't complain about panel gaps or issues and all the owners I know came from German cars. If people valued panel gaps so much Tesla Y wouldn't be the most sold vehicle on earth 2 years in a row
@Twin.motors So was the Toyota Corolla and tha wasn't inspiring in any way either. But it was reliable and well built. For info, I have the M3 and MY available on my company car list at minus contribution (I.e..the refund covers the tax so i would get paid to drive ine) built I'd still rather pay £50 to £100 a month for a BMW, Polestar etc purely to avoid the stigma of the Tesla (and the uncomfortable ride, awful seats and road noise)
@iAMChrisCC awful ride ? Awful seats and road noise. Have you ever driven one ? I switched from CLS, my brother switched from an S class and we're not complaining. Just repeating internet memes is not a good approach, maybe try one out for yourself next time.
Wow, that's 14:35 minutes that I won't get back. I thought this would be an impartial review between the two, but unfortunately, your conscious bias was getting in the way.
It's the same for every video on this channel. Probably deep in VW's pockets.
You don't need resume if you have EAP in Tesla - you sinply let the car change lane.
And the cruise control in MEB is really bad as it in practice can only change in 10 km/h intervals.
And the MEB ghost brakes too as it accidentally identifies an 80 zone or even 60 zone on a 130 km/h motorway.... that is the same as ghost braking. Number of Ghost brakes are the same.
What you might not realize is that the ID cars qre developed in Germany for German roads/signs - the Tesla is american.
But in Denmark they both fail.
But yes the anticipation is way better for the MEB - that also goes for the matrix lights in the MEB car - they are much better.
No it can change it 1km/h no problem its the res and set button if you read the manual. So not true about MEB.
@@frazzefraz Maybe in the new ones - but in my wifes 2020 id.3 it easily jumps when you use the arrows...... and quite frankly that are the ones that should set it.... so she have never used it - 142000 km and I also use it seldom as it required to set it again if changing (apart from the sign recognision).
it is like the window open/close keys or the missing light for the touch keys (which they 4 years later have changed).
The car UI is designed by somebody with very bad hangover.
Let me test drive the ID.3 and see if the set and resume keys have a secret function which I have overlooked for 142000 km.
I just checked - no it doesn't work. The way the 'key' is made you can accidentally push it so it takes of 1 but the next time it takes of to the nearest 10 km/h and sometimes 10 km/h right away.
My wife has a Model Y now and then we have this so far un-sell-able id.3.
The car works fine but the VW reputation and EV's are simply destroyed in Denmark. Used Skoda Enyaqs are sellibg for high prices but id.x cars are dumped - worst id.3.
@@renebergqvist599Enyaq is also MEB and 90% of the car works the same as the ID. Models so it can’t be that shit
Test drove a 2024 Model 3 and the problems you highlighted made me go and buy a VW. I just don’t trust Tesla driving assistance.
Of course a native German would prefer VAG.
Tell me one thing... Why is it that VAG throws money at both Rivian and Xpeng? Maybe because they really know their EV software sucks big time. 🙂
Autopilot/FSD v11 had Ghost breaking. Solved long time ago. Not a problem with FSD 12.x
They solve two different problems.
VW - is fine with lane assist. While Tesla solves self driving. Can be wrong fully be thought as the same thing. But it would like saying a bicycle and a car is the same. They are both vehicles.
Why Tesla has FSD 11 as Autopilot I don't know. It could be that you paid 8k for FSD and it would be better, or something
As a proud owner of a highland long range tesla destroys all old legacy car companies. .. previous car Was alfa romeo giulia...best handling salon car on planet
That's all because of EU regulations which doesn't allow AI based systems to work properly
They allow IF they work properly ;)
Small but important detail.
Elon👎
Jealousy is ugly
compare in US not in overregulated EU. That's like comparing a pigeon and an eagle with clipped wings
I'll take crappy autopilot and a Tesla over trash VW with better travel assist all day, every day.
Tesla overrated.
Also the VW has a nice and high quality interior.
Not high quality enough for sales to reflect that it seems.