NEW MG4 Extended Range vs Tesla Model 3 review! - is Tesla REALLY best?? | What Car?
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- Has the Tesla Model 3 finally met its match? The new MG4 Extended Range is £6500 cheaper to buy and can go further between charges (up to 323 miles). Join us on a road trip from London to Cornwall as we find out which of these electric cars is the better buy.
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Realistically the moral of the story is: boycott shell chargers until they sort out the dodgy chargers and extortionate charging costs. 85p/kwh?! insanity
Yeah the price gouging on public charges is absolute madness. It was only 3-4 years ago where an ecotricity (rip) charger was 30p/kwh and that was considered expensive! The average price you're paying for a charge has tripled.
Electroverse does sort that, I’ve used Shell chargers at 53p.
The real moral is buy a diesel and not an EV. You could get there and back and not have to re-fuel whatsoever !
Superchargers are about 30~45p now depending on time of day
@@stevezodiac491Some people embrace a emission free driving future, rather than a stinking diesel!
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any easier.! When charging using a Tesla supercharger, you don’t have to tap the flap to open it, there is a button under your thumb as you pick up the plug, press it and your charge door opens. and you don’t have to tap the flap to close it, it will close by itself after about 3 seconds.
Wouldn't you think as "car journalists " they would have at least a basic understanding of how to operate the car they are reporting on 🙄
I was looking for this comment. 👍
I bought a Tesla Model S P85 back in 2014 and now 137,000 uk miles my experience is Ive only ever come across one stall broken back in 2016 and a tech turned up and swapped out a board fixed it, I just used the other stall. Ive only ever waited once for 15 minutes here at Trentham and Tesla have just doubled the bays from 8 to 18, wont be waiting here again then. I bought a Tesla as 44 years engineering in big auto world wide told me these guys meant business and if they were prepared to put their hands in their very shallow pockets at the time and put in the other half of the equation.....the charging infrastructure, I would be placing my order with them. It helped the car looked stunning and went like a missile and I would say I made the right decision still love driving this car, cancelled my Plaid order as I didnt fancy left hand drive, Ill hang on for my Roadster. I can tell you Tesla integrated Sat Nav and Superchargers is ALWAYS right and shows you how many bays free BEFORE you get there and the range prediction is dead accurate. Note if you ever get in a situation where you have had to put your foot down and / or had a road closure and used more than anticipated the car works out if there is any chance of running out and diverts you to a nearer charger.......easyer than filling stations and especially as mine being a pre 2016 car its FREE FOR LIFE.....next car?...Tesla.....BTW Instavolt good but double the price of Tesla, I use them for my Zero SRF electric bike. Good Test cuts out all the BS. And please note everyone Tesla is OPENING UP ITS SUPERCHARGER NETWORK to all makes over the next few months and you can get the same kW price if you pay £10ish a month or just pay 10% more and no joining fee, Id say that was super cheap plus guess what its going to bully every other charge supplier into bringing down the crazy prices.......see Elons alright!
Yep, I agree. I've never experienced a single problem with using (or not being able to use) a charger in my 2 Yr ownership experience either here in the UK and Europe. I've never queued, never had a failed charge, never seen a broken charger, never (intentionally) had to charge more than 15 mins, typically 10, on road trips.
We did a trip to the costa del sol and back last year, ut was a delightful, hassle and stress free experience.
The Tesla sat nav planned my whole route door to door, planned the charging stops for me in advance and the autopilot allowed me the freedom to relax and take notice of the scenery en-route.
The supercharger network and management of the whole charging experience is the jewel in Teslas Crown.
As a politition once said " it just weeerks"!
Just over 2 yr ownership now so I'm planning on a change.
My next car will be....another Tesla but I'm torn between a model Y for the versatility of a hatchback and the huuuge storage area and easier access/ egress due to the increased height (its an age thing🙄), but have now had my head turned by the refresh model 3.....decisions, decisions!
I wouldn't go back to a smelly polluting diesel, no way!
@@David-bl1bt I tuned and rebuilt classic motorcycles decided to take one out for a run, pretty much forgotten how to fill up so I saw Shell V power and filled her up, Ive no sense of smell so never detected it was diesal! 2 hrs later and £20 for two gallon tins ive drained the bike given away the stinky stuff and refillled. Being carburettors theres no harm done and the bike even ran on it. I get home and my clothes my wallet my bike are all stinking of diesal..........just sealed the deal for me its rediculas putting liquids in your transport....Ill just be using the Zero from now on I cant do garages anymore.
I received my model Y last month. After Covid, the Porsche Cayenne hybrid wasn’t really living up to the expectations of the high monthly payments. Nice interior but relatively boring performance and v expensive to run compared to the Y. The Tesla Y on the other hand drives like a dream. Love the acceleration, the space (including the front trunk!) unfussy interior, superb sound system and general drive of the car. Ok it may not have the stylings of a Porsche but it’s not costing me 90k or 2k a month. I absolutely love it. I have driven Porsches for the last 15 years. I think I might just be driving Tesla’s for the next 15 Elon is indeed right!
@@24kHERTZ I never got to drive a 911, many years ago I was 19 and riding teh fastest accelerating motorbikes at the time Kawasaki 500 H1 I had a car keep up with me 0-60 on a Belgian duel carriageway it was a Porsche Turbo I was impressed. As time went on I progressed to Suzuki 1000 K5 0-60 in 2.7 seconds in you were good at keeping it right way up so Ive always loved acceleration. I know Porsche do a magnificent job of cornering and stopping plus their fit and finish are top notch but you seriously pay for in hard cash and service costs. As soon as I experienced to 0-60 in 4 seconds of my RWD P85 I thought this will do this all day and every day with minimal service wear, it carries my 29er mountain bike wheels on or 5 people and their luggage yet is quiet smooth and comfortable yet costs less than a moped to run, perfect compromises. People expect sports bike to launch well and 911s but not executive 5 door hulks so 4 seconds is about as crazy fast as you can use on a public road without catching people out too much. Im impressed with the handling it seems to be known the RWD cars are sweeter to corner dare I say it RWD rear engine/motor some of the 911 dynamics may be there. Either way dont see me ever getting that 911 now Im too sold on EV torque...now EV 911 that sounds interesting.
So, the big takeaway from this - Doug is terrible at picking where to charge. If he's also stopped at Exeter, it would've been cheaper and has just as many Gridserve chargers as Tesla ones.
Doug could have charged at Exeter, you're right. It's always a gamble picking the best place to make a charging stop! However, there are 32 Tesla Superchargers at Exeter. Only six Gridserve and all of those are 50kW, so not that quick.
@@whatcar not true, there are well over 10 non tesla chargers and several are 350kw at Exeter Services. Things move quickly, even in Devon😂😂 there are also 16 150kw chargers at Buckfastleigh, 100 yards off the A38.
@whatcar Yeah, they installed loads of GridServe chargers at Exeter last year. Check zap map! Much better than the initial ones they installed too.
@@devonbikefilms We've just double checked Moto's own website for Exeter and it says 6 x 50kW Gridserve chargers. Perhaps they were installed after we filmed this? In any case, the hope was that by using the MG's extra range to get further into the journey, the 4 would need to make fewer charging pitstops than the Model 3. moto-way.com/services/exeter/
I completely agree. Doug's experience would have been far better, if he'd chosen better chargers. For example, the second charger was clearly one that shares power, so was never going to get near the 140kW that the MG4 is capable of. This meant he'd lost the advantage of running so low, where the charging speed is quickest.
But you can't argue with the supercharger experience in a Tesla, in terms of just plugging in, the price you pay and automatic routing.
interesting but not really a fair comparison was it - markedly different routes, keeping the Tesla well inside its optimal charge speed window while taking the MG4 down to the last few % etc. If you'd both stopped at comparable sites (eg Exeter services) and compared it might have been better (and a bit cheaper for the MG4 too). I suspect that the efficiency would have been closer too.
Yeah it seemed really unfair. Either you let both cars charge up early at a reasonable point or you push both to its limit.
@@drdewott9154 Glad I wasnt the only one noticing their strange choices
Also, most people would be able to charge at the destination on a normal longish journey, or for day to day usage. So if they add up all the kWhs then:
Tesla used 162.8 kWh @27p, would cost around £44
MG used 176.6 kWh @27p, would cost £48
That's a difference or only 8% in efficiency, and 4 quid is not the difference they made it out to be. If you drive 10,000 miles a year the cost difference @27p would be like £200. I would say that justifies the £6000 price difference.
You forgot to add £2100 extra for the red colour of the Tesla and another £1100 for the white interior. The price you quoted only gets you the white exterior with black interior. Obviously that does not affect the performance, but saying "I am driving the cheapest Tesla you can buy" was misleading.
Whether the Tesla's White/Black or Red/White doesn't affect the results.
The car was on loan from Tesla anyway . . .
And the £1000 delivery fee
@@ronrubbleI didn’t have a delivery fee on my Model 3 ordered May 2022 picked up December 2022
@@EVinstructor I just priced up a model 3 on the website and the delivery fee I still there. Were they doing a deal?
@@ronrubble I've just visited the Tesla website and priced up a Model 3. The advertised price is £42,990. When you continue to make an order they do further break that down to:
Vehicle Subtotal
£42,000
Destination & doc fee
£935
First Registration Fee
£55
Purchase Price
£42,990
So the advertised price includes the fees they're not extras.
Been driving my new MG4 for about a month and haven't had any issues. Well worth the value. Also recommend getting an Octopus Electroverse charging card for free 🤙🏻
My takeaway is spend the extra money for the Tesla, and it will have much better resale value, too
I think NOT! simply put, '30% of £42' is a hell of a lot more than '30% of £27K '......@@bartwaggoner2000
@@bartwaggoner2000 the thing is a standard range MG4 will do a perfect job for most people most of the time, and you'd maybe have to charge for an extra 20min to do that same journey. A brand new one is under 20k pounds on the continent now with subsidies, that half the price of a base model 3
@@bartwaggoner2000 ... Ha ha the MG will have zero retail value... One of my wife's friends made the mistake of buying one. Six repairs later in three months. Trim falling off everywhere. Computer system jamming. There will be zero residual value. Not half.
@@tunahxushi4669 what crap done 78k in my mg zs less issues than the M3 owner round the corner
One thing that would have significantly improved the experience in the MG4 is A Better Route Planner instead of other charging map apps: at least it would have eliminated the guess work about the best charging place / strategy.
They could have just stopped at the same services had lunch together and got there at the same time I guess haha?
Definitely agree with this. It would have allowed him to stop at Chargers that weren't so ridiculously expensive and sometimes shorter but more frequent stops are better for charging speed. Dough seemed to be so fixated on only stopping twice but like he said he had it ramp up them take a nose dive in charging speeds.
One thing as an electric car owner is know your charging curve (Fastned is great for it's graphs on this) and that way you know that once it drops off you're better just moving on and charging later as it'll be faster.
Having tried ABRP for a few months with my Corsa-e, and subsequently owning a Tesla, it's OK at best. The Android Auto experience was pretty shoddy. It doesn't hold a candle to Tesla's system. It's certainly better than not having it, but unless you have a live data connection to your car, ABRP is going to be left guessing a lot of things. I linked mine up with an OBD-II reader, and it massively improved the experience.
@@del4668 Thats my thoughts instead of making it harder trying to eek the most out of the MG and make it stressful.
Just B.S. why not go together so conditions are (=). Well if they did they couldn't have proven their either schmucks or shills..
Thanks for the nice real-life comparison video! But, since Tesla opened its Supercharger stations for third party EVs, it would would be interesting to compare efficiency and costs of charging both Tesla and non-Tesla EVs on Tesla Supercharger stations.
Tesla have only opened a handful of sites for other EVs... so not enough to make a difference really.
@@dozer5069 Tesla has opened ALL supercharges in the whole of norway for other cars. I only use tesla SC on my MG4 and it always maxes out at 137kw in every session and it keeps this number from 10-65% constant. It is completely awsome.
This is the first time someone did a real road range test of a Standard Model 3- thanks for that! All other reviews I have seen so far always tested Long Range Model 3 against other EVs. This is very useful data before buying a Model 3 Standard range. Nice to see that Tesla's Supercharger network is growing and is much cheaper than public charging network. Thank you guys!
You can use the Tesla charger with the MG4! (most chargers in the Netherlands)
It’s only a few in the UK, and Exeter isn’t one of them
Unfortunately that isn't the case in the UK! A few Superchargers are open to non-Tesla EVs here, but none on the route from London to the South West.
Yet@@whatcar
how sad to buy a mg and need tesla to charge it.
Excellent comparison of a specific use-case where public charging is used for a (very) long journey. Many people using their cars on the road for significant distances every day will find this very helpful. I have only recently bought an EV as a second car for regular short-journey use with discounted home charging almost my only source of power - this illustrates how your planned usage is a key factor in choosing an EV.
I have a standard range MG 4 and it's perfect for the kind of trips I do. If I was road tripping a lot it's clear the Extended range car is not the bargain of the cheaper cars and the car for that purpose is the Tesla. Interestingly Bjorn Nyland has done the 1000 km challenge with the Tesla 3 and the Long range MG with only 10 minutes longer taken in the MG. But that's in Norway.
Yes. His 1,000km tests are much more rigorous.
In particular he doesn't make mistakes like the ones here when selecting chargers for the MG. These mistakes are what made the MG look worse than in Bjørn's tests.
On the other hand, it is true that the Tesla does do more hand-holding making the errors less likely.
In my experience stick with instavolt for charging. They're in a lot of McDonald's drive throughs as well so quite easy to find. Personally I try to use them exclusively and they've yet to let me down.
I have to agree. They may be quite expensive, but they are reliable compared to other non-Tesla chargers. If you don't do lots of long journeys then the reliability is far more valuable than the occasional expense.
But, that means going to McDonald’s, which is very hell for me.
@@richardsmith579you don't have to partake of McDonald's.
@@logant6490 just being there is déclassé enough…
Suboptimal strategy? Expensive, bad food and crowded at travel times
That Shell charger is known to be dodgy and has been for ages. Did they not use Gridserve at Cornwall Services or Exeter for a reason, or maybe they were looking for a challenge 😊
Or looking for a reason to give Tesla more points.
Are they supposed to just know that? Or perhaps spend time scrolling back through the comments on ZapMap like reading reviews for restaurants? Chargers should just work. Tesla have shown it's possible to have great uptime and reliability. Why can't the other networks manage it?
We used Gridserve at Cornwall services last weekend. Very hit or miss with the first charger we used only giving 7 kW. Apparently they are still at the testing stage according to a sign there.
They decided on a winner before they even started. Or, maybe they haven't heard of Zap Map. It's not like they're serious motoring journalists or anything.
the choices to me felt almost like they wanted to push the MG to its limit and keep things comfortable for the tesla, its was a bit odd
I travelled in an e-Niro to Inverness and back (Sussex) in early summer and had zero issues with charging anywhere. Having said that, it wasn't cheap (Gridserve, BP Pulse, Applegreen, Tesla)
Wow those electricity prices are insane. As where I am in Australia the maximum price is around 60c Australian $ or 31p when converted to £.
Yes but we are a third world country now.
Yes. There are a lot of very greedy operators around.
You are spot on Roger. We need to make a great big fuss about it - turn London into an ev car park with horns and banners - they would in France - and they would get a result - but I forget, we're British and therefore totally lacking any sense (indeed phobic) of community or solidarity (unless we are shaking little flags at the sky and committing lemming like economic suicide by cutting ourselves off from our closest and most effective economic zone). So long as we keep bending over we will keep getting shafted. Wake up England and make a sustainable, home generated, nationally owned and ultimately cheap energy supply a reality.@@rogerphelps9939
It's a lot more than a facelift. (talking about the new model 3)
For this test specifically, the efficiency has increased by about 5%, which would have changed the results.
The interior has changed a lot, including cooled seats, noise reduction and interior lightning.
The Tesla in this video doesn't look like the facelift (Highland) model - it still has the stalks, old headlights and rear lights.
Yep, they say it’s the older model. @@andywright3107
thanks for spotting the obvious @@andywright3107
Lighting. Lightning is bolts of electricity in the clouds.
Haha yes interior lightning would be a serious fault.
Great comparison. The race but not a race competition was reminiscent of the OG Top Gear. I like some things about the MG4 including the V2L capability and the lower price. The ease of use and charging network of Tesla is hard to beat though.
Tesla is impressive if you are on the road all day several days a week. I would not want to see the tyre and insurance bills compared to MG 4 however. For everyday trips charging at home with a few longer runs per month - the mg makes sense. Does anyone know what the typical price of a Tesla charger is for non tesla vehicles with the membership monthly subscription?
Great review and Doug's experience is actually fairly representative of a a lot of users unless you are familiar with an area and know where the best chargers are. It shouldn't be like that, if the case for EVs is to be convincing, the cars need to be less expensive to buy and the charging network needs to be reliable, plentiful, and have fair pricing. The Shell charger rate is just thinly disguised robbery.
2027: EVs are over
@@AcnasheenBMW3 (330i) road trip 620miles, £120
Tesla model 3 road trip 620miles, £54
of course, charging at home is way cheaper, which is not possible with a dino fuel car, electricity will be cheaper in the future, gas prices will rise.
In 2030 major cities will ban gas cars.
So you think in 2027 people will still buy gas cars? Hmmm
(calculation based in 30mile per gallon for a BMW 3 (330i), price £5.83 per gallon)
@@MarcoYolo420 : how could electricity be cheaper in the future ?!?
how many power plants will they have to build to feed EVs ?
where will they find the metal(s) necessary to build EVs ?
dream on !
@@Acnasheen The not so obvious thing is that we already use a gargantuan amount of electricity for a thousand things. Replacing every car with an EV doesn't actually increase the total demand on the grid by as much as you'd think. For one, most EVs are charged at home overnight when there's plenty of unused spare capacity. In the future when there's excess solar power in the grid, that excess could be soaked up by EV batteries instead of discarded.
The batteries in these two cars are mostly lithium and iron. They contain zero nickel and zero cobalt, the "controversial" metals. Lithium is hyper-abundant. Iron is hyper abundant. To suggest we can't find enough iron or lithium is stupendously absurd.
@@sjwright2 : in switzerland, they count on a 30% increase of electricity consumption if we turn 100% EVs
in france : 14 nuclear reactors more
in chile : it’s 200 MILLION litres water used daily in lithium production
etc. etc.
l sais EVs are over in 4 years
now, l think it’s 2024
Another nice thing about Tesla’s trip computer is that it takes elevation into account on both climbs and descents. It is always accurate to the % of charge, every time.
It also takes wind direction, rain, temperature and other parameters into account when calculation battery usage for a trip.
Even the Nissan Leaf has that. Nothing special at all.
@@rogerphelps9939 yeah but the nissan leaf has a teeny tiny battery and chademo charging 🤮
Nothing wrong with chademo charging. My Leaf is mostly granny or Level 2 charged at home anyway.@@t3hpwninat0r
until someone starts using AC on a 18C day... like the MG driver
This video has the best scripting I have ever seen in a non-professional context.
Pretty much every trick in the book "How To Skew Things But Stop Before It Becomes Too Obvious" is used.
Congratulations!
PS For me neither the TM3 nor the MG4, thank you.
No self respecting EV driver would use a Shell charger unless they were desperate. It did look like they were going out of their way to make the MG look bad.
I'm surprised at the BHP numbers, i've driven the MG and would call it adequately fast, not really quick. Also driven 120km and lost 150km of range. Still like the MG, great first choice for an EV, i even used the lane centering - pilot.
Also 85p/kwh charging at shell is highway robbery. Even tesla's at ~35p/kwh is not that low. At home we can get around 10p/kwh which REALLY makes the difference.
Tesla's rate at 35p/kWh is a good rate. Charging equipment costs £50k+ per stall to install, plus annual maintenance, and they don't get subsidised night time electricity rates. Shell's 85p/kWh is robbery though I do avoid them.
Your electricity rate is so low... how did you get that price?
In Australia I would really struggle to find anything as high as 85p equivalent. It’s truly extortionate especially given the masses of renewable energy in the UK grid during the day. In all cases, home charging wins. Do that all the time except twice a year and it _kind of_ evens you out
I drove from the North West to Wales and back at the end of August in my MG4 Trophy.
500 miles round trip, AC was occasionally used, didn't slouch and managed 4.2kwh.
@1:15 The new updated Model 3+ just released in the UK today 10/17 and apparently it now starts £39,990. Not much more than the MG4 and the new Model 3+ has tons of improvements. That completely changes this comparison.
I know this video aged well to say it was only uploaded 8 days ago 😂
Not when you factor the insurance for Teslas
Another thing to consider is that when you buy a Tesla it comes loaded with everything unlike other cars where the base price is a lot less than what you end up paying.
@@synthmaker same with the MG
@@TopblokeGolf
OK, I didn't know that. I own a Tesla Model 3 Performance but never owned an MG.
Fantastic video guys and does show exactly why Tesla is still way ahead for any longer trips due to the Supercharger network and their integrated software. We have a non-Tesla EV but as a second car and rarely do any trips over 100 miles each way (have had the same issues with chargers shown here).
We’ll only move to a family EV if and when we can either a) afford a Tesla, b) Tesla fully open up their Supercharger network or c) non-Tesla infrastructure is miles better. I know there are loads of people who manage this now but we just want something that’s simple, relatable and just works. Only Tesla deliver that at the moment.
Tesla only chargers are about 10% of rapids, and shrinking every year. No way I'd buy a Tesla just for a few more rapids.
As a current tesla owner, and previously BMW EV and Nissan EV owner I can say SC network is very overrated. The problem with chargers is mostly only UK problem, which gov should solve using regs
@@paulf3353 did insurance for Tesla really shoot up ?
@@johnsmith-cw3wo yes, it always was very expensive for tesla, but now it even more so.
Tesla is only way ahead in the minds of Tesla cult members.
That EXACT backup charger used for the MG caused us massive issues. Decided to risk our trip and go to our destination with 3% battery.
The Exeter charger we waited about 30 min in a queue but within 30 min had more then enough to drive the 200 miles home
Oh god, good that you noted that, seems like they just got super unlucky with that one.
@drdewott9154 yeah its just an annoying charger. Tried 3 different bank cards and non worked. Luckily our destination was mostly downhill from there so regen worked in our favour. Wouldn't have made it without it imo
@@Sonderax Yeah jeez, Im just shocked that the shell station in question havent bothered to get it replaced and or fixed.
It's not rly a charger issue as another car (jag ipace) used it before us. Just doesn't like the MG4 it appears@@drdewott9154
I've had my long range model 3 for just under a month and so far I'm so pleased with it, my previous EV was a Peugeot e-208 GT, which I had for just over a year before it was completely written off in an accident which fortunately was not my fault and enabled me to get the Tesla. So pleased with it and although the Peugeot was a nice car to drive, the Tesla is in a different league. Its excellent!
Yes, it's true. They really really shouldn't be comparing the Tesla to the Chinese mobile. They may be the same size, but they are light years different under the hood. The battery technology, computer technology, charging infrastructure, resale value, it's like comparing a Yuggo to a Porsche.
@@tunahxushi4669they are both made in china
@@damiendye6623 Doesn't mean they are both Chinese. Tesla is not owned and designed by the Chinese. Take batteries, for example, even tho they were both manufactured in the same factory, the batteries are totally different in terms of design, packaging, sealing, and quality. Tesla is clearly far better than Chinese EV cars
@@tunahxushi4669 True. Maybe comparing MG to BYD or sth else. Clearly not the same tier
@@willwu6960 rubbish, if you had a lfp Tesla it would charge at the same rate.
Btw mg is designed in the UK design studio.
The quality of Chinese ev is on a par with Germany.
I was an advocate of Tesla but poor build quality and the number of recalls has put me right off.
The fact the Tesla doesn't have any underseal says it all
Pro tip: no need to touch the charging cap on Tesla, just press the button on the charging plug and the cap will open automatically. When i used Tesla supercharger, i was blown away by how fast it charged 250kw or pver 1150 miles per hour speed. Model 3 Performance
Finally someone showed honestly that MG4 is a great car but drag coefficient is really bad and car becomes very thirsty at motorways. I'd say even 3.4 is only possible with gentle driving. I can easily go way under 3.
I suppose if this was listed as "How do we make the Tesla look superior' it would have been more honest, but probably had less hits. It's complete rubbish to compare efficiency if the route is not exactly the same, same day, done in tandem at the same speed, etc. There are so many variables in this comp, it really serves no purpose to discuss consumption. Sadly, this is very misleading and a complete waste of time to watch.
the tesla is superior , that is a fact...
I have only ever used three chargers. BP, Instavolt and Electric Highway. I also occasionally use a Shell charger.
Great video and it shows the real life ranges / efficiency of these cars. I had a Tesla 6 years ago and the USP was the charging infrastructure. It would seem that over the subsequent 6 years the infrastructure for non-Tesla cars is still inadequate and could prove quite difficult should the limited charging stations be occupied when you arrive. Also, the costs at £0.85p pre KW is extreme, as a comparison my current 4.4l twin turbo petrol M5 would be cheaper to run on this journey?!😅
After Exeter you hit Dartmoor, which is a climb lasting around 22 miles and a gain of around 800 feet. This hammers the battery. Then you cross the Tamar and have Bodmin Moor - another long climb. Stopping in Exeter is always a sound move.
Downhill after Okehampton.
Agreed. I charge at Exeter or the Ionity at Collumpton just before. Then it's a top up at Cornwall services before some Swarco E Connect destination chargers on the Cornish coast
Please just to understand, did you calculate only the energy used for the trip? did you started with 100% and ended with 100%
so The MG has used 161kw vs Tesla 101Kw to do around 600 miles?
or have I missed something?
Tesla chargers just save nerves compared with other chargers... that's true
Clever real world test lads , no bull, no stunts either real or staged. I agree wholeheartedly with the ease of Tesla of supercharging, and as I am getting on a bit now , the lack of stress of Tesla supercharging is worth 100 times the uncertainty of public changers with all sorts of foibles , software issues , monetary issues, demand etc etc that the Tesla wins hands down here in Ireland . They are simply the leading EV , hands down notwithstanding I’ve put many Ev’s through my hands inc a Taycan. However I would suggest getting a Chinese built Tesla , they’re way superior to American variants.
I think all the right-hand-drive Teslas come from Shanghai as that's the company's main export hub and I don't think the Brandenburg factory has enough capacity to include right-hand-drive production lines. Also Telsa UK website shows the refreshed Model 3 already; another hint that it's most likely made in China.
Having owned a BMW EV first and now a Model 3 P the thing that makes the biggest difference is the lower charging cost and the charging speed at Tesla fast charger rate. Real world a 25min stop every ~2.5hrs is not an inconvenience, where no non Tesla fast charger I've been to has ever actually exceeded 60~ kW. This means a typical 45min to 1hr stop which is longer than a pee and coffee stop. Meaning you sit in the car waiting.
Really enjoy your straight forward no nonsense commentary. We have had our Trophy nearly a year & has been a good choice. Now & again the centre display glitches but not much else to complain about.
I rep for a company in Cumbria, and travel circa 180 miles some days in a temp MG4, and have done for 10 months. I have just ordered the MG4 X-Power (£36k) as my own (company) car. When doing the math, the MG4 was the best bet, largely as I get most of my charge at home/work, but when I do travel further and into Scotland, there is no Tesla Supercharger network, so I was no further ahead with the benefits of the Tesla, so the gap was closed. Coupled with the 10p per private mile price cap, and the 430hp 4wd of the MG, it was the weapon of choice for me.
Costs in the UK are through the roof. I pay equivalent of 13 pence per KWH for home charging and a base Model 3 here in Australia is about 29,000 pounds. Fast charging is about 25-30 pence per KWH.
That's because we have a better criminally corrupt government that sold everything off and shafted the citizens.😅
£50 difference in charging cost and £6,000 difference in car price means it would take 120 such trips for the Tesla to become cheaper.
And the tesla would still be worth more and more. It eventually becomes a false economy according to these maths of course but it certainly makes sense if you do loads of miles charging other than at home or dont have home charging.
How much does the MG maintenance cost? Teslas cost 30,- per year for the interior air filter which you can change yourself of course.
Well the new Model 3 is already £3000 cheaper than the one shown in this video so you're down to £3000 difference already and only 60 trips and that's not mentioning all the other benefits and features the Tesla has over the MG.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 You are right. My MG ZS EV cost nearly £300 for 1st year service. They are trying to charge the same for the MG4. Stupid. I also have a Tesla (M3P) and other than replacing one set of tyres in 4 years, I have spent less than £80 on 'servicing'.
Just to point out a fact that nobody has said MG has a 7 year warranty to look after so wants to service it's risk what's a Tesla 3 year's? Then you are on your own.
Nice one, i own Tesla model 3 dual motor. I hope you know that you can open the charging port by pressing the button on the charging pistol? Also, it closes it self, when you unplug the charging.
It's true that it's easier to charge on longer journeys as it stands with a Tesla, but 99% of my journeys and yours are done to go to work, drive around and do some errands. I can't recall last time I used a dc fast charger with my mg. I charge at home 99% of the time. For that 1% I would do a trip, I'd have to suck it up but I had zero issues or wait time at dc fast chargers so far (I live in Australia)
This is the Tesla advantage, done 30k miles in mine in the last 10mths and never had to think about charging even though i often do 500 mile days
Not everyone does road trips like this. I personally do a 19 mile daily commute and maybe a 50 mile round trip going somewhere at weekend. I'd be completely happy with an EV because I can charge at home and my employer has free charging for employees.
Agree. For trips like this Tesla is a no- brainer. For me, who only does 100 miles a week, there's a charger at work that I could use all day on a Saturday and I'd probably never have to pay for charging. Just gotta find a cheap Zoe/Leaf.
Very entertaining and informative video! I‘m looking forward getting my M3Highland… and you just engaged me of thinking to maybe travel to the UK next year. (Then with my new M3) Kind regards from Germany
So I literally just returned home from London today and my wife and I rented a Polestar 2. Here in the US we own a Tesla and that's what we wanted in London but, it wasn't available. For the last day we drove from Chelsea to Stonehenge and needed to charge to 80% before returning the car. To wrap this up GET A TESLA until everyone can either use Tesla or there are more chargers because honestly never again.
I blame Waze for the MG4's issues. If you'd headed down the A38 and used the Salmon's Leap charging hub, with 16 150kW chargers and a nice coffee shop, then you'd have had a good charge and avoided the traffic due to roadworks on the A30. I'd be interested to know what route the MG's own SatNav offered.
Also, if you're staying overnight in a hotel then picking one with a charger makes a huge difference. I was down that area in August and I charged every night at my B&B, so the next morning I had a full battery and didn't have to stop the next day. One of the advantages of an EV is that hotels can fill your car up, which can't be done for petrol or diesel vehicles.
Agreed - they missed a beat by not featuring hotel charging.
It’s simple
If you regularly travel between cities , Tesla is still your only option
If you are mainly a local and town driver, and can charge at home then great pick anything
I only plan to stop at charging hubs with 6 or more chargers, for non-Tesla. There is a big Grid Serve hub at Exeter, not sure why you did not use that? My BMW i4 will return between 3.8 and 4.2 miles per KWH for motorway journeys (200 miles). And why not find a hotel with a destination charger?
Why you didn't charge at Exiter or Cornwall services for a charge in the MG4
😂 "As easy as that" after 2 fails,
anxiety and near panic 😂
Very good comparison, especially for those like myself considering going electric.👍
I dont know when you filmed this but there are 12 Instavolt chargers at Bodmin retail park, not far from the Shell charger you used. Also contactless payment on chargers can be unreliable, using an app or RFID card gets around this issue.
Public charging is improving all the time, in my experience it's never been as portrayed in the media. I've never had an issue driving long distances in an EV.
I've been down to Wales for a few days. There is one supercharger site, quite close to home. If you're away from main motorway, would be using public chargers regardless.
I drive a Gen2 MG ZS with an NCM battery. Over the last 4000 miles I have averaged 4,3 mls per kWh. As in your video the guessometer mileage drops like a stone as the battery gets low. My charging experience yesterday at a 150 kW charger (supposedly) was that I got a charging rate of 11 kW. I've never seen more than 45 kW. It s not much of a problem as more than 90% of my charging takes place at home at a cost of 7.5p per kW....... but I really wish I had forked out the extra dosh for a Tesla. The MG dealer servicing environment has been rubbish and the promised 'over the air updates' non existant.
Basically happy with my MG ZS EV, but like you I find that indicted range drops off alarmingly below 20%. Like yo I’m also getting around 4mile/Kwh which is good, and at home I have Octopus Agile which has costed me less than 10p/Kwh on average. Big minus, my model has been blocked from non-Tesla Superchargers by a software safety glitch. After much phoning I was offered a special update by MG for £95 which MIGHT solve the issue but is not guaranteed to do so. I have to try it to find out. Not impressed with MG service😢
Tesla’s almost always get 170kw charging speeds.
Would have been interesting if you had instead used the regular MG 4 trophy or SE long range. The £15,000+ difference is worth an extra charge or two imo.
Also use ABRP for planning trips in the MG
Also it would have been good to show the insurance groups of each of the cars.
As a 20 year old, the Tesla is £9,800 for me to insure, the MG is £1,300
lol
£1300? I just done a quote and it cost me £8000. How the hell did you get it to £1300? I'm also 20.
@@deaths_dark_jr3570 I haven't had my license since I was 17, I've had since I was 19. So been driving for coming up to 2 years
Considering you can pick up a used Model 3 SR+ for around £25k, I'd sooner choose that (and did) over any other electric car right now. RE insurance, I'm 25 and have been driving for 7 years. My insurance was £1,300. Still a bit more to insure than my Corsa-e was at ~£800, but not eye-wateringly so.
@@Tresla Get a Long Range one if you can. It is far better as an EV and you have the option to download more bhp.
If most of your driving is local, long distance driving is just a few times a year, can charge at home and want a more practical hatch back the MG makes more sense
Range really does not matter that much in a Tesla. Chargers everywhere and they work. Tesla software is amazing.
I've had my ID3 for 1.5 years and I still have not used a public charger. The longest journey I have done, and with 4 people on board was from Watford to Bath and back without any stops for charging (about 230 miles). I think I had 12% left. I think I drove mostly at 60mph. EV's need a new driving mentality.
How many cars are in your family?
@@doriangray6985 2 cars
I’ve only driven over 200 miles three times in the past 5 years. I have a PHEV and I want a full but they’re still too expensive right now
Better route planning was needed for the MG4. I’ve got a MG4 Trophy and regularly get 3.9 - 4.2 KWH for motorway long journeys. Driving usually at 68MPH.
Agree. I too have the Trophy model and regularly get the same KWH as you do. My last on a 170 mile journey, planned stops using Gridserve, gave me 4.1 KWH mostly at speeds for Motorway and dual-carrigeway.
You should keep off motorways driving that slowly.
@@mauricetoussaint7283 Driving at 68MPH in a modern car equates to over 70MPH in most older cars, which account for the majority of the cars on the motorway. So in fact, I’ll probably be in the middle or right lane overtaking the other vehicles driving at the speed I am.
Hope that helps ‘staying off the motorway’ pal :-)
Can you do a test with all the driver, lane and full self driving options comparison.
Thanks
😂😂😂 love the timing - good thing that the massively updated Model Y hasn’t arrived in the UK yet
Enjoyed this review, could you do the same stops next time, as MG4EV can use some Tesla superchargers (if you have the app) and there are gridserve superchargers available widely. Doug, your stop choice was woeful😅Had my MG4 SE LR, for a few weeks and it is an excellent car. The drive is superb. Got a home charger and no issues for long trips eg London to Sheffield just need a little planning, Zap map shows usable chargers.
Great comparison - really interesting and relevant. No fluff. Gets right to the point. Note to other testers - We can see how the cars look, thanks.
This is exactly how it is. On a Tesla, you jump in, add destination and of you go. On another, add destination, stress about horrible UI or range figures, open the Zapmap (while driving, which is illegal and dangerous) find a fast charger, hope is empty, hope it works…etc. I’ve done it and is STRESS.
Very well-done video... Thanks for efforts!
Great practical review. Tesla charging is second to none and good value.
Tesla is by far the most easy-to-use EV. I have one for 2 years and never had any problems. All superchargers worked, however sometimes a bit slower around busy times with V2 chargers.
Easiest EV maybe, not against a diesel or petrol car, which could do the whole journey without re-fuelling at all on route.
This wasn’t a comparison against diesel or petrol. You’re just stating the obvious.
@@stevezodiac491but it's about everything isn't it??
No. Its about the title I would assume.
@@stevezodiac491 doing a long European trip in a tesla model 3 vs my friends 3 series (328i) we basically needed to stop a similar amount of times (it wasn’t an issue) from Manchester to Spa we stopped twice
Drove one 2 weeks ago, loved it. The indicators took me no time at all to get used to. Great car.
Nice video, but one thing I'd mention is that most of the issues Doug faced were due to bad planning.
If you go on an EV roadtrip, plan your charging stops to provide you with sufficient buffer (-50 miles from your projected range), and choose only stops with more than two stalls.
I've driven from London to Edinburgh and from London to Amsterdam using a Vauxhall Corsa-e (+-170 miles of range) with little stress because I spent 30 minutes planning my stops properly.
Wow, this is very revealing/informative. 2024 MG 4 EV was just launched in the Philippines and people are mind blown with the price, unbelievable that a quality, long range EV is that affordable...and there is no Tesla store yet in the Philippines. Appreciate this well thought of video.
Just push the button on the supercharger handle to open the charge port. No need to do it from the car.
I find myself growing increasingly skeptical about the charging costs imposed by traditional oil companies. I can't help but question whether these companies truly aim to promote electric vehicles (EVs) by selling electricity or if their pricing strategies are designed to uphold the status quo for as long as possible. It raises the question: why can Tesla offer electricity at nearly half the price compared to a major oil company with an established forecourt network?
Why wait so long to charge? It must have been 4+ hours to get to Cornwall from London. Multiple sites on the a303 and massive site at Exeter. Making it look far more dramatic than it really is.
Not a fair comparison, if both cars were to stop at the same chargers / service stations then it would be less biased! Doug deliberately decided to push the mg to its limits but the tesla wasnt, so its not an equal comparison!
That was a detailed and excellent comparison!
My only criticism is that, when comparing prices, you should’ve perhaps mentioned the additional features that the Tesla has, in particular their excellent autopilot system. This seems like a strange omission, particularly considering that the video was all about long distance travel!
they also omitted the exorbitant price of Tesla insurance in UK.
@@johnsmith-cw3wo Tesla needs to bring their insurance to other countries.
@@johnsmith-cw3wo, I pay about £550 for my Tesla Model 3 Performance with FSD. That doesn’t seem too bad to me.
I’ve paid a similar price for the last 3 years with LV=, but this year their renewal quote was a bit higher, so I switched to Admiral, who were previously too expensive.
@@russellsneddon410 If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
@@deaths_dark_jr3570, I’m 52.
So glad I bought a Model 3. In just 3 months of ownership it has proven itself. Good balanced video. My wife has an EV Mini which is nice too but not a patch on the Tesla.
Thank you for highlighting at 14:00 that efficiency and charging speed matter more than range! ;) 👌
The Tesla model 3 is definitely a better car, no doubt, and I would love to own one. Also your video clearly shows how Tesla have created huge convenience for their customers and brand advantage with the vastly superior Supercharger network. If they can do it and still make money, and the government is committed to net Zero why can't the government do it as well.
But despite this I run an MG4 Standard Range, and in the real world the differences are very much less marked. For a lot of people, myself included, 90% of charging is done at home on a cheap overnight tariff at 9p per kw hour. Also in more local everyday driving the consumption averages out throughout the year at 4m/kwh or 200 miles.
When using "public" chargers a really good trick if convenient for your route is to use one of the (limited number of) Tesla Superchargers which are open to the public, I found 3 on my most frequent long distance route. They are invariably not occupied, working, fast and usually a lot cheaper even for non Tesla owners. The charging rate difference between the 2 cars is also not so important, I don't like to drive more than two hours without a break, and the
This video was more about charging strategy than ease of use. The Tesla stopped at Exetrer with 30% and topped up. The MG4 driver decided to push to empty. A better video would have been if they both stopped at Exeter for lunch and then both topped up near lands end. Compare efficiency and ease of use etc...
Here in U.S. right model 3 rwd is went down to 38k sometimes if you go to the inventory and YOU GET $7,500 FEDERAL TAX CREDIT also state incentives depends where you live like here in new jersey
-$4,000 and zero tax for all ev car thanks.
Why does no one use the hyundia kona ??? Is it because its 64kw battery give consistent above 300 miles range?
Tesla uses Google maps and routing, I think Doug in the MG should have used Google maps via carplay.
Good video guys.
Both cars 2nd hand in a few years will be a bargain!
Interesting video, but Doug's choice of sat nav could have been better.. a better route planner will do a similar job to Tesla's system in regards to picking the chargers you use and if the charger supports it, it will also show you when its in use. Tesla superchrging will always be better than the public ones, maybe in the next test the cars should be better matched?
So what is this better integrated sat nav solution you mention?
@stuartburns8657 A better Route Planer is the name of the route planer, ABRP, and will plot charging stops like the Tesla sat nav.
@@SunsetHaze Interesting thanks
I think any EV's internal satnav should plan charging stops automatically. My VW ID.3 does it, Tesla, and a cheap app such as ABRP can do it, so why not the satnav of a £30k+ car?
@@cosmicpop As and ICE owner, yes it'd be a mandatory must have for the rest to catch up with that functionality personally.
Really don't know why all car review channels have a problem getting the Tesla BHP figures - it's in the owner's manual. The RWD Model 3 is 320ps
Great video. Please do more of these comparisons.
I agree with you both, The MG is newer and the software is still under development to fine tune battery use, VW have been doing this where their ID range efficiency is improving so MG will improve. The big plus for Tesla is that their charging infrastructure is massively ahead of the public network which needs to be addressed, also they have maximised the charge rate in the car. I think if people avoid using shell and other expensive networks then they will be forced to either bring down prices or not build anymore, which is potentially commercial suicide given Petrol is on its way out.
Hi Steve. Firstly, I like both the MG and Tesla. But... why did you mention VW? It sounded as if you implied that because VW were improving that MG would improve??? VW has nothing to do with MG. MG is a Chinese Company, owned by its parent Chinese company SAIC.
MG have a number of very good models so their future is looking good. VW however, has closed its huge software team and are attempting to partner with a couple of Chinese companies because they have failed completely with car software development.
but MG not really have the software update unfortunately.
I could hear a lot more cabin noise from the tesla than the MG so I don't know why y say the model 3 is more comfortable when we all know that the suspension also SUCKS. if non tesla charging stations are too expensive guess what? charge from home is the same price for any EV brand. I don't recommend anyone who doesn't own a home to have an EV anyway becouse y will be charging these cars at least twice a week
@@tonypaca3015 Because 27:01 Tesla is simply a class higher cat, nicer even in suspension...
@@lukabosnjak3829 Do y own one? I guess not. I'm talking from experience. the model y was so trash that I had to give it back for a $35k kia that is more comfortable and quieter. tesla squeaks, and rattles and the interior is noisy even worse when going through potholes it makes loud annoying vibrations. tesla sucks and yes it's higher to sustain because I spent way less monthly with my kia hybrid than the tesla, which the battery goes down even when the car is off requiring at least 2 charges a week, not even counting the amount of money i had to spend at restaurants while the car was charging. that's why they improved and changed many things on the new one because the old one really really sucks
Apart from the crumby charging network, and less confidence in the software, the MG is not a terrible alternative. Most of your charging will be at home for most people.
The charging network will only get better. Technically, they could have used some Tesla chargers for the MG as well, about a quarter of the SC network is open now, albeit more expensive for non-Teslas. In the end, it all depends on how much charging you need to do on the road. As you said, most people will charge at home rates. Pricing difference was a one-off. Gridserve and Fastned are almost the same as Tesla SC in my experience. So going on long trips a couple of times a year for an extra ~£20 won't matter.
@@_pehash If only my country had your tiny distances and also used British pounds... :) I think the charging problem will get worse before it gets better. Especially in my corner of the world. The S-curve of adoption is kicking off increasingly rapidly as more and more folk realise the benefits of EVs, but the charging infrastructure is bound to lag for a while. Again, especially in my part of the world. A particular niche that is lacking is commercial vehicles with range. Plenty of commercial evs available, but not in my part of the world. Also very few (none?) of them are designed for long drives with big batteries and rapid charging.
Wife test drove the MG4 back in July, really liked it but couldn't get past the simple utility of my Model Y. She ended up buying a 12 month old Model 3 and loves it. Tesla just make everything so simple.
Skoda Enyaq beats the Model Y into a cocked hat.
On a recent holiday in Devon travelling from the midlands I did a slight detour to Banbury where the Tesla chargers are open to all EVs. It made the cost of charging my MG4 the same as a Tesla 🤷🏼♂️
Not quite, Tesla charge other cars a higher price than their own, but agree it's still a far better price that most other networks.
I've owned a model 3 for 3 years now and it's great to see that I made the correct decision as I was going to buy a VW. :( Anyway I just checked and for 20,800 miles I have used 6,043.76 kWh at a cost of £450. If I had a BMW 3 I would have used 520 gallons of petrol (~£3,500). Each gallon is 44K so total energy used would be 22,880 kWh or 3.8 times as wasteful! Bear in mind most of my charging is via the wind generators, so EV is probably more than10 times cleaner than using petrol! Also once that oil has been burned it won't be around in the future when it could be used for more important things than just burning it...
Do you have home wind generators?
No, but my energy provider tells me the best nights to charge to use the available wind energy.
But you'd have had less of an environmental impact by keeping an older car running for longer. It takes many miles and many years to offset the resource demand of a new car.
You‘re so right❣️
I must say I’m a little surprised by the poor efficiency of the MG4, did you check you had the battery heater off? To be fair in my MG4 standard range I tend to use the radar cruise control and find a coach doing 65, makes for a very efficient stress free journey. I tend to stop more often in my MG4 but for far less time. Grid Serve is much better than Shell in my experience.
The MG4 efficency is awful, one of the (many) reasons I got rid of mine.
Driving the 65 miles home from picking up a model 3 SR+ to replace it with both cars nose to tail the MG4 got 3.4mpkwh vs the Tesla at 4.7.
Let be right, they all use the same Chinese motors and Chinese Batteries, the only way The Tes can be more efficency is because its make of cheaper and lighter materials, so you get more mileage!!!@@rossmc40
You should never draft. That is asking for trouble.
@@rogerphelps9939 as I said I’m talking about the safe distance set by the car not getting close.
Question;
The trip according to your vid was 281 miles.
The `range`, or should I say `CLAIMED range` is 305 in the Tesla & 320 in the MG.
Why all the stops to charge?
Why does Tesla remove indicator stalk in the facelift version?? Saved some cost for Tesla, but...........
As a non tesla owner almost all my long distance charging has still been done on a supercharger. It's just a lot cheaper here. Wondering why you didn't user supercharger for the MG4. In a real world scenario people will use superchargers as often as other chargers, especially if you go long enough to need 3 or more charge stops where the tesla subscription makes it even cheaper.
Yeah don’t get why they didn’t use the same chargers. Would have been a much clearer conclusion, at 10p per kwh more expensive (120kwhx0.1=£12) plus the extra kwh lost in efficiency (52kwhx0.27=£14) you get a difference in cost of £26 which is much better than £50 they quoted. If you did that journey every week for 4 years you would be talking £5600. Is anyone realistically gonna do that?!
@@bobtherock26 not all superchargers are open to non-Tesla and on the route they were taken all SuC are Tesla only
@@FrankNolf im just going off teslas website
My MG ZS Trophy (otherwise very good) is currently blocked from using non-Tesla Superchargers because of a software safety glitch. I’m having to pay £95 for a non-standard MG upgrade next month 😢. However I’ll then be confident enough to take it to the Alps next March. Otherwise we would use my wife’s Suzuki ICE car which would be dire.
I’m afraid the Tesla Model 3 is still in a league of its own,thanks guys 👍😉💪
Mine was badly made with terrible customer service, what is excellent is he charging infrastructure...but that’s it
@@alanwayte432and for every bad one like yours there’s multiple good ones including mine. Some earlier ones were lemons but the new ones are proving durable, well built and reliable across the board.
Interesting comments about range. I live in South Australia which is nearly 4 times bigger than the UK & own a Tesla M3LR & range is everything! There are only 3 Tesla Superchargers in the whole state & quite a few others thanks to government subsidised network. Planning is everything if I want to travel interstate, the shortest distance 750 km to Melbourne. Horses for courses.
Whoah! 85p per kWh? That is ridiculous.
Business Class vs Ryan Air. Summed up perfectly. 👍