NEW MG4 Extended Range vs Tesla Model 3 review! - is Tesla REALLY best?? | What Car?
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- Has the Tesla Model 3 finally met its match? The new MG4 Extended Range is £6500 cheaper to buy and can go further between charges (up to 323 miles). Join us on a road trip from London to Cornwall as we find out which of these electric cars is the better buy.
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Realistically the moral of the story is: boycott shell chargers until they sort out the dodgy chargers and extortionate charging costs. 85p/kwh?! insanity
Yeah the price gouging on public charges is absolute madness. It was only 3-4 years ago where an ecotricity (rip) charger was 30p/kwh and that was considered expensive! The average price you're paying for a charge has tripled.
Electroverse does sort that, I’ve used Shell chargers at 53p.
The real moral is buy a diesel and not an EV. You could get there and back and not have to re-fuel whatsoever !
Superchargers are about 30~45p now depending on time of day
@@stevezodiac491Some people embrace a emission free driving future, rather than a stinking diesel!
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any easier.! When charging using a Tesla supercharger, you don’t have to tap the flap to open it, there is a button under your thumb as you pick up the plug, press it and your charge door opens. and you don’t have to tap the flap to close it, it will close by itself after about 3 seconds.
Wouldn't you think as "car journalists " they would have at least a basic understanding of how to operate the car they are reporting on 🙄
I was looking for this comment. 👍
Probably broken
So, the big takeaway from this - Doug is terrible at picking where to charge. If he's also stopped at Exeter, it would've been cheaper and has just as many Gridserve chargers as Tesla ones.
Doug could have charged at Exeter, you're right. It's always a gamble picking the best place to make a charging stop! However, there are 32 Tesla Superchargers at Exeter. Only six Gridserve and all of those are 50kW, so not that quick.
@@whatcar not true, there are well over 10 non tesla chargers and several are 350kw at Exeter Services. Things move quickly, even in Devon😂😂 there are also 16 150kw chargers at Buckfastleigh, 100 yards off the A38.
@@devonbikefilms We've just double checked Moto's own website for Exeter and it says 6 x 50kW Gridserve chargers. Perhaps they were installed after we filmed this? In any case, the hope was that by using the MG's extra range to get further into the journey, the 4 would need to make fewer charging pitstops than the Model 3. moto-way.com/services/exeter/
I completely agree. Doug's experience would have been far better, if he'd chosen better chargers. For example, the second charger was clearly one that shares power, so was never going to get near the 140kW that the MG4 is capable of. This meant he'd lost the advantage of running so low, where the charging speed is quickest.
But you can't argue with the supercharger experience in a Tesla, in terms of just plugging in, the price you pay and automatic routing.
Doug being silly as usual...STOP doing a Top Gear sh1t.
I bought a Tesla Model S P85 back in 2014 and now 137,000 uk miles my experience is Ive only ever come across one stall broken back in 2016 and a tech turned up and swapped out a board fixed it, I just used the other stall. Ive only ever waited once for 15 minutes here at Trentham and Tesla have just doubled the bays from 8 to 18, wont be waiting here again then. I bought a Tesla as 44 years engineering in big auto world wide told me these guys meant business and if they were prepared to put their hands in their very shallow pockets at the time and put in the other half of the equation.....the charging infrastructure, I would be placing my order with them. It helped the car looked stunning and went like a missile and I would say I made the right decision still love driving this car, cancelled my Plaid order as I didnt fancy left hand drive, Ill hang on for my Roadster. I can tell you Tesla integrated Sat Nav and Superchargers is ALWAYS right and shows you how many bays free BEFORE you get there and the range prediction is dead accurate. Note if you ever get in a situation where you have had to put your foot down and / or had a road closure and used more than anticipated the car works out if there is any chance of running out and diverts you to a nearer charger.......easyer than filling stations and especially as mine being a pre 2016 car its FREE FOR LIFE.....next car?...Tesla.....BTW Instavolt good but double the price of Tesla, I use them for my Zero SRF electric bike. Good Test cuts out all the BS. And please note everyone Tesla is OPENING UP ITS SUPERCHARGER NETWORK to all makes over the next few months and you can get the same kW price if you pay £10ish a month or just pay 10% more and no joining fee, Id say that was super cheap plus guess what its going to bully every other charge supplier into bringing down the crazy prices.......see Elons alright!
Yep, I agree. I've never experienced a single problem with using (or not being able to use) a charger in my 2 Yr ownership experience either here in the UK and Europe. I've never queued, never had a failed charge, never seen a broken charger, never (intentionally) had to charge more than 15 mins, typically 10, on road trips.
We did a trip to the costa del sol and back last year, ut was a delightful, hassle and stress free experience.
The Tesla sat nav planned my whole route door to door, planned the charging stops for me in advance and the autopilot allowed me the freedom to relax and take notice of the scenery en-route.
The supercharger network and management of the whole charging experience is the jewel in Teslas Crown.
As a politition once said " it just weeerks"!
Just over 2 yr ownership now so I'm planning on a change.
My next car will be....another Tesla but I'm torn between a model Y for the versatility of a hatchback and the huuuge storage area and easier access/ egress due to the increased height (its an age thing🙄), but have now had my head turned by the refresh model 3.....decisions, decisions!
I wouldn't go back to a smelly polluting diesel, no way!
@@David-bl1bt I tuned and rebuilt classic motorcycles decided to take one out for a run, pretty much forgotten how to fill up so I saw Shell V power and filled her up, Ive no sense of smell so never detected it was diesal! 2 hrs later and £20 for two gallon tins ive drained the bike given away the stinky stuff and refillled. Being carburettors theres no harm done and the bike even ran on it. I get home and my clothes my wallet my bike are all stinking of diesal..........just sealed the deal for me its rediculas putting liquids in your transport....Ill just be using the Zero from now on I cant do garages anymore.
I received my model Y last month. After Covid, the Porsche Cayenne hybrid wasn’t really living up to the expectations of the high monthly payments. Nice interior but relatively boring performance and v expensive to run compared to the Y. The Tesla Y on the other hand drives like a dream. Love the acceleration, the space (including the front trunk!) unfussy interior, superb sound system and general drive of the car. Ok it may not have the stylings of a Porsche but it’s not costing me 90k or 2k a month. I absolutely love it. I have driven Porsches for the last 15 years. I think I might just be driving Tesla’s for the next 15 Elon is indeed right!
@@24kHERTZ I never got to drive a 911, many years ago I was 19 and riding teh fastest accelerating motorbikes at the time Kawasaki 500 H1 I had a car keep up with me 0-60 on a Belgian duel carriageway it was a Porsche Turbo I was impressed. As time went on I progressed to Suzuki 1000 K5 0-60 in 2.7 seconds in you were good at keeping it right way up so Ive always loved acceleration. I know Porsche do a magnificent job of cornering and stopping plus their fit and finish are top notch but you seriously pay for in hard cash and service costs. As soon as I experienced to 0-60 in 4 seconds of my RWD P85 I thought this will do this all day and every day with minimal service wear, it carries my 29er mountain bike wheels on or 5 people and their luggage yet is quiet smooth and comfortable yet costs less than a moped to run, perfect compromises. People expect sports bike to launch well and 911s but not executive 5 door hulks so 4 seconds is about as crazy fast as you can use on a public road without catching people out too much. Im impressed with the handling it seems to be known the RWD cars are sweeter to corner dare I say it RWD rear engine/motor some of the 911 dynamics may be there. Either way dont see me ever getting that 911 now Im too sold on EV torque...now EV 911 that sounds interesting.
Been driving my new MG4 for about a month and haven't had any issues. Well worth the value. Also recommend getting an Octopus Electroverse charging card for free 🤙🏻
My takeaway is spend the extra money for the Tesla, and it will have much better resale value, too
I think NOT! simply put, '30% of £42' is a hell of a lot more than '30% of £27K '......@@bartwaggoner2000
@@bartwaggoner2000 the thing is a standard range MG4 will do a perfect job for most people most of the time, and you'd maybe have to charge for an extra 20min to do that same journey. A brand new one is under 20k pounds on the continent now with subsidies, that half the price of a base model 3
@@bartwaggoner2000 ... Ha ha the MG will have zero retail value... One of my wife's friends made the mistake of buying one. Six repairs later in three months. Trim falling off everywhere. Computer system jamming. There will be zero residual value. Not half.
@@tunahxushi4669 what crap done 78k in my mg zs less issues than the M3 owner round the corner
The media is obsessed with range. The guy in the Tesla was much more realistic, stopping for lunch and charging, rather than carry on just to prove a point about range. And despite the Tesla being a bit quicker at charging, it goes to show that more frequent quicker stops aren’t any slower, many times quicker as the car chargers faster at a lower state of charge. In the UK and most of Europe a 200 mile range is more than enough for long journeys. Yes, the charging infrastructure is not perfect, but it is growing rapidly. For people new to EVs then range anxiety is a thing, but when you get used to the car and EVs in general, range anxiety largely becomes a thing of the past.
interesting but not really a fair comparison was it - markedly different routes, keeping the Tesla well inside its optimal charge speed window while taking the MG4 down to the last few % etc. If you'd both stopped at comparable sites (eg Exeter services) and compared it might have been better (and a bit cheaper for the MG4 too). I suspect that the efficiency would have been closer too.
Yeah it seemed really unfair. Either you let both cars charge up early at a reasonable point or you push both to its limit.
@@drdewott9154 Glad I wasnt the only one noticing their strange choices
Also, most people would be able to charge at the destination on a normal longish journey, or for day to day usage. So if they add up all the kWhs then:
Tesla used 162.8 kWh @27p, would cost around £44
MG used 176.6 kWh @27p, would cost £48
That's a difference or only 8% in efficiency, and 4 quid is not the difference they made it out to be. If you drive 10,000 miles a year the cost difference @27p would be like £200. I would say that justifies the £6000 price difference.
Old comment, but also MG wasn't told to precondition the battery. That makes a huge difference in charging speed.
Buying an MG 5 soon. What is this preconditioning of the battery.? Haven't heard this before.
Excellent comparison of a specific use-case where public charging is used for a (very) long journey. Many people using their cars on the road for significant distances every day will find this very helpful. I have only recently bought an EV as a second car for regular short-journey use with discounted home charging almost my only source of power - this illustrates how your planned usage is a key factor in choosing an EV.
Thanks for the nice real-life comparison video! But, since Tesla opened its Supercharger stations for third party EVs, it would would be interesting to compare efficiency and costs of charging both Tesla and non-Tesla EVs on Tesla Supercharger stations.
Tesla have only opened a handful of sites for other EVs... so not enough to make a difference really.
@@dozer5069 Tesla has opened ALL supercharges in the whole of norway for other cars. I only use tesla SC on my MG4 and it always maxes out at 137kw in every session and it keeps this number from 10-65% constant. It is completely awsome.
Shhh don’t tell those povo EV owners. Keep them for tesla
That thrilling experience if you're going to make it to your destination or not. If the charger will work or not.
We, people of the past, driving boring and predictable dinosaur juice powered cars salute you!
One thing that would have significantly improved the experience in the MG4 is A Better Route Planner instead of other charging map apps: at least it would have eliminated the guess work about the best charging place / strategy.
They could have just stopped at the same services had lunch together and got there at the same time I guess haha?
Definitely agree with this. It would have allowed him to stop at Chargers that weren't so ridiculously expensive and sometimes shorter but more frequent stops are better for charging speed. Dough seemed to be so fixated on only stopping twice but like he said he had it ramp up them take a nose dive in charging speeds.
One thing as an electric car owner is know your charging curve (Fastned is great for it's graphs on this) and that way you know that once it drops off you're better just moving on and charging later as it'll be faster.
Having tried ABRP for a few months with my Corsa-e, and subsequently owning a Tesla, it's OK at best. The Android Auto experience was pretty shoddy. It doesn't hold a candle to Tesla's system. It's certainly better than not having it, but unless you have a live data connection to your car, ABRP is going to be left guessing a lot of things. I linked mine up with an OBD-II reader, and it massively improved the experience.
@@del4668 Thats my thoughts instead of making it harder trying to eek the most out of the MG and make it stressful.
Just B.S. why not go together so conditions are (=). Well if they did they couldn't have proven their either schmucks or shills..
The Tesla model 3 is definitely a better car, no doubt, and I would love to own one. Also your video clearly shows how Tesla have created huge convenience for their customers and brand advantage with the vastly superior Supercharger network. If they can do it and still make money, and the government is committed to net Zero why can't the government do it as well.
But despite this I run an MG4 Standard Range, and in the real world the differences are very much less marked. For a lot of people, myself included, 90% of charging is done at home on a cheap overnight tariff at 9p per kw hour. Also in more local everyday driving the consumption averages out throughout the year at 4m/kwh or 200 miles.
When using "public" chargers a really good trick if convenient for your route is to use one of the (limited number of) Tesla Superchargers which are open to the public, I found 3 on my most frequent long distance route. They are invariably not occupied, working, fast and usually a lot cheaper even for non Tesla owners. The charging rate difference between the 2 cars is also not so important, I don't like to drive more than two hours without a break, and the
You can use the Tesla charger with the MG4! (most chargers in the Netherlands)
It’s only a few in the UK, and Exeter isn’t one of them
Unfortunately that isn't the case in the UK! A few Superchargers are open to non-Tesla EVs here, but none on the route from London to the South West.
Yet@@whatcar
how sad to buy a mg and need tesla to charge it.
@@whatcar
There are Tesla open to all chargers at Exeter now.
I have a standard range MG 4 and it's perfect for the kind of trips I do. If I was road tripping a lot it's clear the Extended range car is not the bargain of the cheaper cars and the car for that purpose is the Tesla. Interestingly Bjorn Nyland has done the 1000 km challenge with the Tesla 3 and the Long range MG with only 10 minutes longer taken in the MG. But that's in Norway.
Yes. His 1,000km tests are much more rigorous.
In particular he doesn't make mistakes like the ones here when selecting chargers for the MG. These mistakes are what made the MG look worse than in Bjørn's tests.
On the other hand, it is true that the Tesla does do more hand-holding making the errors less likely.
@1:15 The new updated Model 3+ just released in the UK today 10/17 and apparently it now starts £39,990. Not much more than the MG4 and the new Model 3+ has tons of improvements. That completely changes this comparison.
I know this video aged well to say it was only uploaded 8 days ago 😂
Not when you factor the insurance for Teslas
Another thing to consider is that when you buy a Tesla it comes loaded with everything unlike other cars where the base price is a lot less than what you end up paying.
@@synthmaker same with the MG
@@TopblokeGolf
OK, I didn't know that. I own a Tesla Model 3 Performance but never owned an MG.
The gem in the MG4 range seems to be the lowest spec SE trim with LFP battery and 218 miles of range. Hence I think this test would have been more interesting if you had included a MG4 SE in it to see how much longer the trip would have taken in one. As for many people such long trips would be occasional. If the Model 3 RWD is £40K and the MG4 SE is £27K I would probably be fine with taking a few more toilet/rest stops on the occasional long trip to save £13K.
You forgot to add £2100 extra for the red colour of the Tesla and another £1100 for the white interior. The price you quoted only gets you the white exterior with black interior. Obviously that does not affect the performance, but saying "I am driving the cheapest Tesla you can buy" was misleading.
Whether the Tesla's White/Black or Red/White doesn't affect the results.
The car was on loan from Tesla anyway . . .
And the £1000 delivery fee
@@ronrubbleI didn’t have a delivery fee on my Model 3 ordered May 2022 picked up December 2022
@@EVinstructor I just priced up a model 3 on the website and the delivery fee I still there. Were they doing a deal?
@@ronrubble I've just visited the Tesla website and priced up a Model 3. The advertised price is £42,990. When you continue to make an order they do further break that down to:
Vehicle Subtotal
£42,000
Destination & doc fee
£935
First Registration Fee
£55
Purchase Price
£42,990
So the advertised price includes the fees they're not extras.
This is actually a Tesla advertisement.
This is a comparison of the charging infrastructure of England compared to the Tesla one, and not the MG4 VS Model 3.
This is the first time someone did a real road range test of a Standard Model 3- thanks for that! All other reviews I have seen so far always tested Long Range Model 3 against other EVs. This is very useful data before buying a Model 3 Standard range. Nice to see that Tesla's Supercharger network is growing and is much cheaper than public charging network. Thank you guys!
2:48 - Enter your destination, Tesla tells you where and when to charge. It’s that simple
Another nice thing about Tesla’s trip computer is that it takes elevation into account on both climbs and descents. It is always accurate to the % of charge, every time.
It also takes wind direction, rain, temperature and other parameters into account when calculation battery usage for a trip.
Even the Nissan Leaf has that. Nothing special at all.
@@rogerphelps9939 yeah but the nissan leaf has a teeny tiny battery and chademo charging 🤮
Nothing wrong with chademo charging. My Leaf is mostly granny or Level 2 charged at home anyway.@@t3hpwninat0r
until someone starts using AC on a 18C day... like the MG driver
Sorry guys, everyone who drives an EV long distance does not go deep on the battery as charging takes much longer. Using ABRP will shows stopping twice for the most efficient time on the way down.
Fantastic video guys and does show exactly why Tesla is still way ahead for any longer trips due to the Supercharger network and their integrated software. We have a non-Tesla EV but as a second car and rarely do any trips over 100 miles each way (have had the same issues with chargers shown here).
We’ll only move to a family EV if and when we can either a) afford a Tesla, b) Tesla fully open up their Supercharger network or c) non-Tesla infrastructure is miles better. I know there are loads of people who manage this now but we just want something that’s simple, relatable and just works. Only Tesla deliver that at the moment.
Tesla only chargers are about 10% of rapids, and shrinking every year. No way I'd buy a Tesla just for a few more rapids.
As a current tesla owner, and previously BMW EV and Nissan EV owner I can say SC network is very overrated. The problem with chargers is mostly only UK problem, which gov should solve using regs
@@paulf3353 did insurance for Tesla really shoot up ?
@@johnsmith-cw3wo yes, it always was very expensive for tesla, but now it even more so.
Tesla is only way ahead in the minds of Tesla cult members.
"A comfortable win for the Tesla" indeed. And the MG is one of the best competitors. And you didn't even consider the other advantages of the Tesla like superior safety.
I've had my long range model 3 for just under a month and so far I'm so pleased with it, my previous EV was a Peugeot e-208 GT, which I had for just over a year before it was completely written off in an accident which fortunately was not my fault and enabled me to get the Tesla. So pleased with it and although the Peugeot was a nice car to drive, the Tesla is in a different league. Its excellent!
Yes, it's true. They really really shouldn't be comparing the Tesla to the Chinese mobile. They may be the same size, but they are light years different under the hood. The battery technology, computer technology, charging infrastructure, resale value, it's like comparing a Yuggo to a Porsche.
@@tunahxushi4669they are both made in china
@@damiendye6623 Doesn't mean they are both Chinese. Tesla is not owned and designed by the Chinese. Take batteries, for example, even tho they were both manufactured in the same factory, the batteries are totally different in terms of design, packaging, sealing, and quality. Tesla is clearly far better than Chinese EV cars
@@tunahxushi4669 True. Maybe comparing MG to BYD or sth else. Clearly not the same tier
@@willwu6960 rubbish, if you had a lfp Tesla it would charge at the same rate.
Btw mg is designed in the UK design studio.
The quality of Chinese ev is on a par with Germany.
I was an advocate of Tesla but poor build quality and the number of recalls has put me right off.
The fact the Tesla doesn't have any underseal says it all
In my experience stick with instavolt for charging. They're in a lot of McDonald's drive throughs as well so quite easy to find. Personally I try to use them exclusively and they've yet to let me down.
I have to agree. They may be quite expensive, but they are reliable compared to other non-Tesla chargers. If you don't do lots of long journeys then the reliability is far more valuable than the occasional expense.
But, that means going to McDonald’s, which is very hell for me.
@@richardsmith579you don't have to partake of McDonald's.
@@logant6490 just being there is déclassé enough…
Suboptimal strategy? Expensive, bad food and crowded at travel times
Range really does not matter that much in a Tesla. Chargers everywhere and they work. Tesla software is amazing.
More proof that people asking for 400, 500 miles range before they buy an EV are not needed. It's all about charging stop time over the whole journey. As you see in this video.
I think range anxiety is an invention by Shell (et al) in an attempt to keep selling petroleum. My tesla does 200 miles pretty religiously and thats a longer distance than my bladder has capacity!
Wow those electricity prices are insane. As where I am in Australia the maximum price is around 60c Australian $ or 31p when converted to £.
Yes but we are a third world country now.
Yes. There are a lot of very greedy operators around.
You are spot on Roger. We need to make a great big fuss about it - turn London into an ev car park with horns and banners - they would in France - and they would get a result - but I forget, we're British and therefore totally lacking any sense (indeed phobic) of community or solidarity (unless we are shaking little flags at the sky and committing lemming like economic suicide by cutting ourselves off from our closest and most effective economic zone). So long as we keep bending over we will keep getting shafted. Wake up England and make a sustainable, home generated, nationally owned and ultimately cheap energy supply a reality.@@rogerphelps9939
Pro tip: no need to touch the charging cap on Tesla, just press the button on the charging plug and the cap will open automatically. When i used Tesla supercharger, i was blown away by how fast it charged 250kw or pver 1150 miles per hour speed. Model 3 Performance
Great review and Doug's experience is actually fairly representative of a a lot of users unless you are familiar with an area and know where the best chargers are. It shouldn't be like that, if the case for EVs is to be convincing, the cars need to be less expensive to buy and the charging network needs to be reliable, plentiful, and have fair pricing. The Shell charger rate is just thinly disguised robbery.
2027: EVs are over
@@AcnasheenBMW3 (330i) road trip 620miles, £120
Tesla model 3 road trip 620miles, £54
of course, charging at home is way cheaper, which is not possible with a dino fuel car, electricity will be cheaper in the future, gas prices will rise.
In 2030 major cities will ban gas cars.
So you think in 2027 people will still buy gas cars? Hmmm
(calculation based in 30mile per gallon for a BMW 3 (330i), price £5.83 per gallon)
@@MarcoYolo420 : how could electricity be cheaper in the future ?!?
how many power plants will they have to build to feed EVs ?
where will they find the metal(s) necessary to build EVs ?
dream on !
@@Acnasheen The not so obvious thing is that we already use a gargantuan amount of electricity for a thousand things. Replacing every car with an EV doesn't actually increase the total demand on the grid by as much as you'd think. For one, most EVs are charged at home overnight when there's plenty of unused spare capacity. In the future when there's excess solar power in the grid, that excess could be soaked up by EV batteries instead of discarded.
The batteries in these two cars are mostly lithium and iron. They contain zero nickel and zero cobalt, the "controversial" metals. Lithium is hyper-abundant. Iron is hyper abundant. To suggest we can't find enough iron or lithium is stupendously absurd.
@@sjwright2 : in switzerland, they count on a 30% increase of electricity consumption if we turn 100% EVs
in france : 14 nuclear reactors more
in chile : it’s 200 MILLION litres water used daily in lithium production
etc. etc.
l sais EVs are over in 4 years
now, l think it’s 2024
I'm surprised at the BHP numbers, i've driven the MG and would call it adequately fast, not really quick. Also driven 120km and lost 150km of range. Still like the MG, great first choice for an EV, i even used the lane centering - pilot.
Also 85p/kwh charging at shell is highway robbery. Even tesla's at ~35p/kwh is not that low. At home we can get around 10p/kwh which REALLY makes the difference.
Tesla's rate at 35p/kWh is a good rate. Charging equipment costs £50k+ per stall to install, plus annual maintenance, and they don't get subsidised night time electricity rates. Shell's 85p/kWh is robbery though I do avoid them.
Your electricity rate is so low... how did you get that price?
In Australia I would really struggle to find anything as high as 85p equivalent. It’s truly extortionate especially given the masses of renewable energy in the UK grid during the day. In all cases, home charging wins. Do that all the time except twice a year and it _kind of_ evens you out
I’m afraid the Tesla Model 3 is still in a league of its own,thanks guys 👍😉💪
Mine was badly made with terrible customer service, what is excellent is he charging infrastructure...but that’s it
@@alanwayte432and for every bad one like yours there’s multiple good ones including mine. Some earlier ones were lemons but the new ones are proving durable, well built and reliable across the board.
I travelled in an e-Niro to Inverness and back (Sussex) in early summer and had zero issues with charging anywhere. Having said that, it wasn't cheap (Gridserve, BP Pulse, Applegreen, Tesla)
Great comparison. The race but not a race competition was reminiscent of the OG Top Gear. I like some things about the MG4 including the V2L capability and the lower price. The ease of use and charging network of Tesla is hard to beat though.
Tesla is impressive if you are on the road all day several days a week. I would not want to see the tyre and insurance bills compared to MG 4 however. For everyday trips charging at home with a few longer runs per month - the mg makes sense. Does anyone know what the typical price of a Tesla charger is for non tesla vehicles with the membership monthly subscription?
On a longer run, diesel car would do between 10-12 MPG. with 4.2 miles per KWH you need, 2.8 KWH to match 1 litre of diesel. 2.8 KWH at 85p is £2.38. This is way more expensive. Should just buy a Euro6 diesel instead and fill it up for 600 miles of range in just 2 to 3 minutes. EVs can be very cheap if you have a driveway and you own that house. if you live in a block of flat of small terraced house, you don't need ev
Finally someone showed honestly that MG4 is a great car but drag coefficient is really bad and car becomes very thirsty at motorways. I'd say even 3.4 is only possible with gentle driving. I can easily go way under 3.
I rep for a company in Cumbria, and travel circa 180 miles some days in a temp MG4, and have done for 10 months. I have just ordered the MG4 X-Power (£36k) as my own (company) car. When doing the math, the MG4 was the best bet, largely as I get most of my charge at home/work, but when I do travel further and into Scotland, there is no Tesla Supercharger network, so I was no further ahead with the benefits of the Tesla, so the gap was closed. Coupled with the 10p per private mile price cap, and the 430hp 4wd of the MG, it was the weapon of choice for me.
I've had my ID3 for 1.5 years and I still have not used a public charger. The longest journey I have done, and with 4 people on board was from Watford to Bath and back without any stops for charging (about 230 miles). I think I had 12% left. I think I drove mostly at 60mph. EV's need a new driving mentality.
How many cars are in your family?
@@doriangray6985 2 cars
I’ve only driven over 200 miles three times in the past 5 years. I have a PHEV and I want a full but they’re still too expensive right now
How grim is that sitting at 60mph mostly though.
Tesla is by far the most easy-to-use EV. I have one for 2 years and never had any problems. All superchargers worked, however sometimes a bit slower around busy times with V2 chargers.
Easiest EV maybe, not against a diesel or petrol car, which could do the whole journey without re-fuelling at all on route.
This wasn’t a comparison against diesel or petrol. You’re just stating the obvious.
@@stevezodiac491but it's about everything isn't it??
No. Its about the title I would assume.
@@stevezodiac491 doing a long European trip in a tesla model 3 vs my friends 3 series (328i) we basically needed to stop a similar amount of times (it wasn’t an issue) from Manchester to Spa we stopped twice
Tesla chargers just save nerves compared with other chargers... that's true
This is exactly how it is. On a Tesla, you jump in, add destination and of you go. On another, add destination, stress about horrible UI or range figures, open the Zapmap (while driving, which is illegal and dangerous) find a fast charger, hope is empty, hope it works…etc. I’ve done it and is STRESS.
That EXACT backup charger used for the MG caused us massive issues. Decided to risk our trip and go to our destination with 3% battery.
The Exeter charger we waited about 30 min in a queue but within 30 min had more then enough to drive the 200 miles home
Oh god, good that you noted that, seems like they just got super unlucky with that one.
@drdewott9154 yeah its just an annoying charger. Tried 3 different bank cards and non worked. Luckily our destination was mostly downhill from there so regen worked in our favour. Wouldn't have made it without it imo
@@Sonderax Yeah jeez, Im just shocked that the shell station in question havent bothered to get it replaced and or fixed.
It's not rly a charger issue as another car (jag ipace) used it before us. Just doesn't like the MG4 it appears@@drdewott9154
A lot of MG4 drivers don't know it's Chinese. My neighbour bought one, you should have seen his face when I asked him how he likes Chinese tech.
Refusing to recharge until your battery is more than half empty is a fossil fuel mentality. What matters is not how many times you stop to recharge, but how long you stop for recharging. Several short stops are usually convenient and create flexibility. The Tesla stopped twice. The MG stopped once and gained nothing but extra stress from that strategy.
Its better to run it below 10% and then top it off to 50% as the battery charges 2 times faster than when it reaches for example 70% if you look at the charge graphs
I've also had problems with service station chargers, everytime I plugged and tapped contactless on the debit card it said payment not authorised or rejected. I found out after three charging sessions having not been able to charge at any previous chargers that the reason the payment rejected was that I didn't put in a PIN number which there is no option to do so. If I had bought something at the service station (eg a bottle of water) using my PIN on the debit card it would have accepted my debit card at the chargers
It's a lot more than a facelift. (talking about the new model 3)
For this test specifically, the efficiency has increased by about 5%, which would have changed the results.
The interior has changed a lot, including cooled seats, noise reduction and interior lightning.
The Tesla in this video doesn't look like the facelift (Highland) model - it still has the stalks, old headlights and rear lights.
Yep, they say it’s the older model. @@andywright3107
thanks for spotting the obvious @@andywright3107
Lighting. Lightning is bolts of electricity in the clouds.
Haha yes interior lightning would be a serious fault.
I'd rather buy the MG4 pocket the difference and charge at Tesla superchargers that are now open to non Tesla EV's and have a stress free, charger anxiety free country drive.
This is the Tesla advantage, done 30k miles in mine in the last 10mths and never had to think about charging even though i often do 500 mile days
Tesla is the best but the cost of home charging is almost the same. Means if you use MG4 for daily use within city, both cars cost you same. Here is the home charging cost of both
MG4
52.9 @ 14.27 = 3.707
Model3
61.8 @ 16.69 = 3.702
That MG cost is about the same for My 4 litre petrol 2 ton Ford Territory SUV At $1.90 per litre inAustralia
It's true that it's easier to charge on longer journeys as it stands with a Tesla, but 99% of my journeys and yours are done to go to work, drive around and do some errands. I can't recall last time I used a dc fast charger with my mg. I charge at home 99% of the time. For that 1% I would do a trip, I'd have to suck it up but I had zero issues or wait time at dc fast chargers so far (I live in Australia)
Costs in the UK are through the roof. I pay equivalent of 13 pence per KWH for home charging and a base Model 3 here in Australia is about 29,000 pounds. Fast charging is about 25-30 pence per KWH.
That's because we have a better criminally corrupt government that sold everything off and shafted the citizens.😅
Tesla Vs other EVs is basically like iPhone Vs Android. iPhone has its own infrastructure which is more efficient while android has to work for hundreds of different brands and devices. Basically what's happening here with the Tesla and mg. I can't believe how expensive it was for the mg
It’s simple
If you regularly travel between cities , Tesla is still your only option
If you are mainly a local and town driver, and can charge at home then great pick anything
Just picked up our new 74 plate MG4 Trophy Extended Range a
few days ago. Bright orange, so everyone will see us coming! Pre-registered September 24 by the dealer, the price? £26995. Very happy 😁😁😁
Having owned a BMW EV first and now a Model 3 P the thing that makes the biggest difference is the lower charging cost and the charging speed at Tesla fast charger rate. Real world a 25min stop every ~2.5hrs is not an inconvenience, where no non Tesla fast charger I've been to has ever actually exceeded 60~ kW. This means a typical 45min to 1hr stop which is longer than a pee and coffee stop. Meaning you sit in the car waiting.
A standard range MG4 would be fine for 99% of people, in Italy they're selling them for 21k EUR with subsidies, that's fantastic value. If you charge your car at home and almost never do more than 200 miles in one go, then the tesla loses any advantage. That said, i run a supercharged v8 l405 and an EV, and I'd still rather drive the range rover
If you never drive your car then any car will do. Great advice. But as you said in your choice of V8, your choice of car is to not have it limit your options. Apply the same logic to an EV so you’re not being hypocritical in your analysis. Don’t qualify it with a “if you never drive..”
@@Jeddinhe didnt say if you never drive your car though did he LOL. The problem with a lot of these reviews its always driving half way across the country as if thats a daily occurance. I drive 12k miles a year and i probably do a long journey over 100 miles maybe a handful of times a year.
@@Jeddinlol learn to read, ppl can drive 99% of max range every day, and still dont need a fast charger, thats what the comment says.
@@peternystrom921 why buy a 30,000 vehicle if it can’t fulfill 100% of your needs. It’s not like there aren’t cars that will
No resale value in MG, not as safe, and poor software with limited updates. And no option for FSD, watching videos in car, camp and dog mode, etc.
😂 "As easy as that" after 2 fails,
anxiety and near panic 😂
Not everyone does road trips like this. I personally do a 19 mile daily commute and maybe a 50 mile round trip going somewhere at weekend. I'd be completely happy with an EV because I can charge at home and my employer has free charging for employees.
Agree. For trips like this Tesla is a no- brainer. For me, who only does 100 miles a week, there's a charger at work that I could use all day on a Saturday and I'd probably never have to pay for charging. Just gotta find a cheap Zoe/Leaf.
After Exeter you hit Dartmoor, which is a climb lasting around 22 miles and a gain of around 800 feet. This hammers the battery. Then you cross the Tamar and have Bodmin Moor - another long climb. Stopping in Exeter is always a sound move.
Downhill after Okehampton.
Agreed. I charge at Exeter or the Ionity at Collumpton just before. Then it's a top up at Cornwall services before some Swarco E Connect destination chargers on the Cornish coast
This video shows that non Tesla EV owners are being taken for a ride!
Instavolt have today risen their prices to £0.85 per kW (same as Shell) when wholesale prices are at their lowest in over a year....
Wow, this is very revealing/informative. 2024 MG 4 EV was just launched in the Philippines and people are mind blown with the price, unbelievable that a quality, long range EV is that affordable...and there is no Tesla store yet in the Philippines. Appreciate this well thought of video.
Nice one, i own Tesla model 3 dual motor. I hope you know that you can open the charging port by pressing the button on the charging pistol? Also, it closes it self, when you unplug the charging.
If most of your driving is local, long distance driving is just a few times a year, can charge at home and want a more practical hatch back the MG makes more sense
Finally a good approximation of reality but, charging at home is not 27p/kWh but 7.5p/kWh. I can't wait until the full truth comes out specially in relation to how Tesla's cost of ownership is the cheapest for most people specially if you consider buying a 3 year old Tesla and decide based on monthly cost with financing and don't ignore all the savings in fuel, road tax, servicing, ULEZ, congestion charge, parking in central London where you only pay the first 10 minutes of every 4 hours etc etc. Please get your facts right about charging at home, 7.5p/kWh is the equivalent of 2p/mile on a Tesla helped by it's efficiency.
Great practical review. Tesla charging is second to none and good value.
I own an EV (and a petrol car) so I know when an EV makes sense. They DON'T MAKE SENSE in all situations.
EVs make the most sense if your overnight home-charging covers your daily miles. Then it's as close to free miles as you can ever get.
If you have a good rate (or can charge during the day from Solar panels) then "fuel" can become so cheap that it's not worth calculating.
Let's say you put 70Kw/hrs into these cars, at £0.15 per unit overnight rate, that's £10.50 for 250-300 miles. That's many people's weekly mileage ... for a tenner!!
What about if Solar panels bring that down to an average of £0.07p (as an example)? Basically it's a fiver for those miles.
You can't cycle 300 miles for a fiver (because you'll eat £30 worth of extra food). Public transport? Forget that. 300miles of petrol will be around £45-£75 depending on what you drive.
If you just do local miles (a traditional "Shopper" car) and you can charge at home, then I think you'd be mad not to look at an old, Mk1 Nissan LEAF. They are very cheap now, ultra reliable, solidly built, and well proven.
I have a Mk1.5 LEAF (30kw/hr) and I kid you not, it's like a luxury vehicle to drive. We have solar panels and rarely exceed it's (quite small, 120 miles) range. It's basically free miles 95% of the time, crazy cheap to service (£130 at the main dealer) and a dream to drive. I'm amazed more people don't pick them up for a few grand to be honest.
Infrastructure and efficiency, that's the key..Musk understands that...Look what happens when you make just the car, then another company makes the infrastructure. Its damn mess and allot of stress. Other EV producers need to understand this otherwise Tesla will make all of them obsolete..Also, EV's need to be efficient and aerodynamics is probably the first thing to think of, even the door handles will create drag, the MG has classics design ones and i'm sure the overall design is not as efficient as the Tesla..The new Tesla model 3 is 5% more efficient the this one, that's 30-40 km more, just from design, same battery.
There seems to be the usual What Car? apples vs oranges thing going on here. If both cars had charged at similar locations, I'm not sure there would have been much difference. It almost feels as if the MG has been set up to fail?
This video has the best scripting I have ever seen in a non-professional context.
Pretty much every trick in the book "How To Skew Things But Stop Before It Becomes Too Obvious" is used.
Congratulations!
PS For me neither the TM3 nor the MG4, thank you.
No self respecting EV driver would use a Shell charger unless they were desperate. It did look like they were going out of their way to make the MG look bad.
Really enjoy your straight forward no nonsense commentary. We have had our Trophy nearly a year & has been a good choice. Now & again the centre display glitches but not much else to complain about.
I still think there too pricy 😢 so am going to keep my Diesel until the prices come down. Great comparison video Guys 👍
Wife test drove the MG4 back in July, really liked it but couldn't get past the simple utility of my Model Y. She ended up buying a 12 month old Model 3 and loves it. Tesla just make everything so simple.
Skoda Enyaq beats the Model Y into a cocked hat.
Great video and it shows the real life ranges / efficiency of these cars. I had a Tesla 6 years ago and the USP was the charging infrastructure. It would seem that over the subsequent 6 years the infrastructure for non-Tesla cars is still inadequate and could prove quite difficult should the limited charging stations be occupied when you arrive. Also, the costs at £0.85p pre KW is extreme, as a comparison my current 4.4l twin turbo petrol M5 would be cheaper to run on this journey?!😅
No mention battery size, I will assume that to get longer range in the MG it will have a bigger battery. No mention of over the air updates that keeps your software same as the newer vehicles. What is the cargo space and car dimensions? For the difference Inwill take the Tesla any day.
Nicely done, quite informative about the trip.
I have a Model 3 Performance, and the network was one of the main reasons I went with Tesla (though the 530bhp and 0-60 in 3.1 helps, mind 😂). Plus the fact you can buy a three year old car for about 30k that still has a 5-year warranty left on the battery and motor, although the M3 in general is proving to be very reliable regardless and the China/German built models have much improved build quality from earlier Fremont models. As an all-around package, Tesla is hard to beat if you're in the market for an EV. As far as I can tell, the only reason you'd choose the MG or similar over the M3 is due to personal design or practicality preferences or your dislike of the company owner. As an EV to live with daily, the M3 trumps almost all the competition, in my opinion.
I would go so far as to say you're better off getting a second hand Tesla than anything else. There are a lot of model 3s on the market now.
In some EU markets a base MG4 is coming in at just over 20k EUR with ev subsidies. That's cheap
I drove from the North West to Wales and back at the end of August in my MG4 Trophy.
500 miles round trip, AC was occasionally used, didn't slouch and managed 4.2kwh.
I own an old Tesla Model S with free supercharging and an MG5 which I use for work. . Thankfully I NEVER have to public charge the MG as I only do about 250 miles a week . Most of it's charging is from my solar. The Tesla however does about 400-600 miles a week. . There is no way on this Earth that I would ever buy an EV that isn't a Tesla. . They're just better cars in every single possible way!!!!
Dead interior though. I'de prefer a car interior with a bit more life and care put into it rather than just a big tablet in the middle.
Haven't you already bought an MG though!!
@@christineweir-ewing7452 Yes. . I meant I'd not use an EV other than a Tesla if I had to do road trips or charge away from home.
Faster than a Porsche, more comfortable than a Mercedes and costs less to run than a Prius ! Incredible cars.
The MG4 with that 74.4 usable kwh battery gets a 323 miles WLTP range, on the other hand the Tesla has a bit lower range but it is able to get it via efficiency and charging performance instead of just battery size neglecting the other two. It is ALWAYS preferable to go for the most efficient model when it comes to challenge its capabilities in a roadtrip.
To illustrate this we can compare two vehicles with exactly the same WLTP range, taking the data shown in ev database webpage, we have the "Volkswagen ID.3 Pro" with 62.0 kWh nominal capacity and 58.0 kWh usable capacity and the "Hyundai IONIQ 6 Standard Range 2WD" with 58.0 kWh nominal capacity and 54.0 kWh usable capacity.
If you compare them in the same 1000 km trip in ABRP the Volkswagen has to stop for a full two hours charging time and the Hyundai just one.
So I literally just returned home from London today and my wife and I rented a Polestar 2. Here in the US we own a Tesla and that's what we wanted in London but, it wasn't available. For the last day we drove from Chelsea to Stonehenge and needed to charge to 80% before returning the car. To wrap this up GET A TESLA until everyone can either use Tesla or there are more chargers because honestly never again.
Yes, in the UK the public charger infrastructure is not great and it is expensive. It is much better in France, Germany or Switzerland and the Tesla charging network is not that useful anymore.
Would have been interesting if you had instead used the regular MG 4 trophy or SE long range. The £15,000+ difference is worth an extra charge or two imo.
Also use ABRP for planning trips in the MG
Also it would have been good to show the insurance groups of each of the cars.
As a 20 year old, the Tesla is £9,800 for me to insure, the MG is £1,300
lol
£1300? I just done a quote and it cost me £8000. How the hell did you get it to £1300? I'm also 20.
@@deaths_dark_jr I haven't had my license since I was 17, I've had since I was 19. So been driving for coming up to 2 years
Considering you can pick up a used Model 3 SR+ for around £25k, I'd sooner choose that (and did) over any other electric car right now. RE insurance, I'm 25 and have been driving for 7 years. My insurance was £1,300. Still a bit more to insure than my Corsa-e was at ~£800, but not eye-wateringly so.
@@Tresla Get a Long Range one if you can. It is far better as an EV and you have the option to download more bhp.
Can the MG use the Tesla superchargers? The Tesla used 165kWh and the MG used 175 kWh. If the MG can use the Tesla supercharger, does it cost more per kWh than they charge to Tesla owners? It would be nice to compare apples to apples.
I find myself growing increasingly skeptical about the charging costs imposed by traditional oil companies. I can't help but question whether these companies truly aim to promote electric vehicles (EVs) by selling electricity or if their pricing strategies are designed to uphold the status quo for as long as possible. It raises the question: why can Tesla offer electricity at nearly half the price compared to a major oil company with an established forecourt network?
This is not an MG problem , it is a presenter being dumb issue. Why didn't he just charge at Bodmin , with a dozen chargers, and a decent buffer.
That doesn't mean that the Tesla experience isn't way better for charging and for efficiency, it is.
The point is that the daily use of cars is generally 25-50 miles , and the 300 mile trip is a once in a blue moon event. Horses for courses, for an every day driver the standard range MG4 is a deal, at £23,500. For a someone who drives 1,000 miles a week for work or pleasure , get the Tesla, no-brainer.
I suppose if this was listed as "How do we make the Tesla look superior' it would have been more honest, but probably had less hits. It's complete rubbish to compare efficiency if the route is not exactly the same, same day, done in tandem at the same speed, etc. There are so many variables in this comp, it really serves no purpose to discuss consumption. Sadly, this is very misleading and a complete waste of time to watch.
the tesla is superior , that is a fact...
@@whocares264 It better be when the MG4 Long Range Trophy can be had for 20k brand new. 25k for the one in the video (I think orange is extra £700?).
There's few glaring issues here, not charging at optimal % on the MG vs doing it in perfect conditions, not prepping the MG battery for charging and then using Shell to charge.
It's not a good representation now. But back 10 months ago, yeah, Tesla would've been worth the extra 6k, but we're now talking 20k less.
So glad I bought a Model 3. In just 3 months of ownership it has proven itself. Good balanced video. My wife has an EV Mini which is nice too but not a patch on the Tesla.
Tesla uses Google maps and routing, I think Doug in the MG should have used Google maps via carplay.
Good video guys.
Both cars 2nd hand in a few years will be a bargain!
Please just to understand, did you calculate only the energy used for the trip? did you started with 100% and ended with 100%
so The MG has used 161kw vs Tesla 101Kw to do around 600 miles?
or have I missed something?
I agree with you both, The MG is newer and the software is still under development to fine tune battery use, VW have been doing this where their ID range efficiency is improving so MG will improve. The big plus for Tesla is that their charging infrastructure is massively ahead of the public network which needs to be addressed, also they have maximised the charge rate in the car. I think if people avoid using shell and other expensive networks then they will be forced to either bring down prices or not build anymore, which is potentially commercial suicide given Petrol is on its way out.
Hi Steve. Firstly, I like both the MG and Tesla. But... why did you mention VW? It sounded as if you implied that because VW were improving that MG would improve??? VW has nothing to do with MG. MG is a Chinese Company, owned by its parent Chinese company SAIC.
MG have a number of very good models so their future is looking good. VW however, has closed its huge software team and are attempting to partner with a couple of Chinese companies because they have failed completely with car software development.
but MG not really have the software update unfortunately.
I could hear a lot more cabin noise from the tesla than the MG so I don't know why y say the model 3 is more comfortable when we all know that the suspension also SUCKS. if non tesla charging stations are too expensive guess what? charge from home is the same price for any EV brand. I don't recommend anyone who doesn't own a home to have an EV anyway becouse y will be charging these cars at least twice a week
@@tonypaca3015 Because 27:01 Tesla is simply a class higher cat, nicer even in suspension...
@@lukabosnjak3829 Do y own one? I guess not. I'm talking from experience. the model y was so trash that I had to give it back for a $35k kia that is more comfortable and quieter. tesla squeaks, and rattles and the interior is noisy even worse when going through potholes it makes loud annoying vibrations. tesla sucks and yes it's higher to sustain because I spent way less monthly with my kia hybrid than the tesla, which the battery goes down even when the car is off requiring at least 2 charges a week, not even counting the amount of money i had to spend at restaurants while the car was charging. that's why they improved and changed many things on the new one because the old one really really sucks
I only plan to stop at charging hubs with 6 or more chargers, for non-Tesla. There is a big Grid Serve hub at Exeter, not sure why you did not use that? My BMW i4 will return between 3.8 and 4.2 miles per KWH for motorway journeys (200 miles). And why not find a hotel with a destination charger?
To be fair to MG, their website is actually a lot more accurate. Tesla quotes a "range", with no caveats or qualifications, which it will never reach. When you go onto MG's website it let's you select the "driving style" and then gives you an expected range for that. The MG4 Extended Range has an estimated range of 323 miles for a "bit of everything", but if you select motorways it gives you an estimated range of 239 miles. So they're actually really honest and open about it.
I drive a Tesla Model Y Long Range and my wife has an MG ZS EV but we always use the Tesla for "long trips". The Supercharger network is worth every penny.
Question please. If the MG charged at the same price/rate per kwh as the teala supercharger, what is the total cost for the trip for the MG then?
Just push the button on the supercharger handle to open the charge port. No need to do it from the car.
I have owned my Tesla Model Y LR for a little more than a year, I have been charging 99.6% at home, only once at a supercharger and only 15 kWh the first year
Only a few days ago I visited a Supercharger with 40 stalls, my only complaint is that my car was fully charged way too fast, I could hardly finish my meal!
I know that well! I was somewhat mistakenly thinking that the v3 superchargers would be the ones to aim for but now if I am combining with a food stop, i'll happily aim for a v2 supercharger so that it takes longer. Also, if the SoC in the Model Y is over 30% on arrival, there's no benefit from a v3 anyway since the charge rate from 30% is already down at around 150kWh, the only benefit of a v3 being no power splitting.
We arrived at Thurrock and plugged in, loo visit, ordered a burger and fries which we took back to the car. I hadn't even finished the fries and the car was ready. I had to bump up the max charge to give me time to eat the burger too. It worked out well though as my "overcharge" meant that my mistake at LeShuttle terminal meant that I missed the Folkstone chargers but we were able to carry on down into France for the first charge on our way to Switzerland. Fab trip, can't wait to do Italy next year.
I blame Waze for the MG4's issues. If you'd headed down the A38 and used the Salmon's Leap charging hub, with 16 150kW chargers and a nice coffee shop, then you'd have had a good charge and avoided the traffic due to roadworks on the A30. I'd be interested to know what route the MG's own SatNav offered.
Also, if you're staying overnight in a hotel then picking one with a charger makes a huge difference. I was down that area in August and I charged every night at my B&B, so the next morning I had a full battery and didn't have to stop the next day. One of the advantages of an EV is that hotels can fill your car up, which can't be done for petrol or diesel vehicles.
Agreed - they missed a beat by not featuring hotel charging.
I wonder if it's possible to charge the MG4 on tesla chargers
The thing is, if you have a place to charge at home, and are doing less than 200mile a day, ev make sense. For the odd journey you do longer than 200, just plan an extra 1hr for charge time. If you don’t have a charge at home and are likly to do more than 200mile quire often then maybe a hybrid are better.
Exactly, we are in East Dorset and plan to use an MG4 extended range for most driving at around 200 miles there and back and trips into London and back with a possible top up at a Tesla supercharger of 10-20 kWh which will not take too long (a cup of coffee or two perhaps). The older and much cheaper Prius will be the main distance vehicle - Purbeck to Manchester is a reliable and tested £30 each way. The Prius will also do some shortish commuter duties in the week to keep it in good fettle - we need two cars 5 days a week. Horses for courses - until the network is more robust and considerably cheaper - that will take political will and backbone from all of us.
😂😂😂 love the timing - good thing that the massively updated Model Y hasn’t arrived in the UK yet