Tarot and Astrology as Divination
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- Episode 291 features an interview with T. Susan Chang about some of the parallels between astrology and tarot cards as forms of divination.
Susan is a professional tarot card reader, and the purpose of this discussion was to explore some of the ways that astrology is similar to tarot as a form of divination, versus some of the ways that it is different.
We tried to answer some questions like: how can tarot inform our understanding of what astrology is as a phenomenon? What makes divination divination? What are some different types of divination? What models of reality support the practice?
In some ways this was a nice followup to episode 53 of the podcast with Geoffrey Cornelius on The Moment of Astrology, where we talked about whether astrology is a form of divination or a natural science:
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Susan is the co-host the Fortune’s Wheelhouse esoteric tarot podcast:
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Her new book is 36 Secrets: A Decanic Journey Through the Minor Arcana of the Tarot:
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Great interview. I ordered the book!
Ordered.
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I like this channel for not only the content, but getting introduced to people in the astrology commmunity.
Absolutely. I feel like this shared sentiment is the positive footing that is helping a lot of us grow. Very grateful for the constructive comments section as well.
Time Stamps:
00:00:00 - Introduction and T. Susan Chang’s Background With Tarot
00:07:00 - T. Susan Chang’s Birth Chart
00:08:19 - Introducing Episode 163 of The Astrology Podcast and the Divination Discussion
00:20:10 - Introducing Tarot Draws and Spreads
00:31:21 - Introducing Interpretation and Archetypal Principles
00:37:40 - Interpretation and Archetypal Example Through the Tarot: 5 of Pentacles (Rider-Waite-Smith tarot deck)
00:45:50 - Discussing The Reading and the Question
00:51:10 - Symbology
00:56:05 - Historical Background on the Golden Dawn, The Rider-Waite-Smith, Marseille, and Thoth Tarot Decks and the Origins of Tarot
01:11:05 - Chris Brennan’s Background With Divination and Decision to Specialize in Astrology
01:14:00 - Characterization of Divination, the Question, The Imprint of the Human Experience on Divinatory Practice, and Interpretation
01:24:16 - Discussion on the Interaction, and Response and Remediation to Divinatory Statements and Symbolism in Connection With Tarot and Astrology
01:29:35 - Discussing the Role of Divination and Its Uses As a Prognosticatory Tool
01:39:35 - Discussing Interpretation and Its Role With Fate and Free Will
01:57:17 - Expanded Discussion On Fate and Free Will in Connection With Tarot and Mundane Astrology
02:03:31 - An Example of Broader Events and Discussion on Their Connection to Tarot and Astrology: The Tower (Rider-Waite-Smith tarot deck) and Planetary Alignments in March 2020
02:06:50 - Further Exploration of Cosmological Impact, Causality, Correlation and Synchronistic Forces via Tarot and Astrology
02:16:50 - Ethics in connection to Tarot and Astrology
02:20:24 - Conclusion and Continuation of the Exploration of Fate, Free Will, and Individual Agency
02:26:39 - T. Susan Chang’s Works, Further Learning, and Contact Information
Thank you so much.
Thankyou!!❤
This episode is a on par with a Masterclass! Also, thank you Chris for sharing your guest’s birth chart. As a student of astrology, this really helps with my understanding of T. Susan Chang and how she is able to connect so well with you (and the audience); her ascendant ruler in Libra as well as a stellium in the 7H including an exalted Mercury. Venus in her joy in the 5H ruling her 3rd and that ease of joyful communication seemed to bring out a softer side of you in this episode which is nice to see. And of course two Aqua moons; this is really a lovely, intellectually stimulating episode! ❤️
Chris I love your PODCAST. The variety of guests and their depth of knowledge are compelling. Thank you for the time spent in research and the respect that you give each guest. The level of professionalism you bring to Astrology is phenomenal. I am grateful for the fun, warmth and familiarity of the monthly forecast, it welcomes me into your community. I have been watching for about 2 years and I am truly grateful for the time you dedicate to your craft. It’s been a lifeline. You may not know the good you do, especially since 2020 hit, it is significant. Thank you. Sandy Burkett, Seattle
this has been one of the most intelligent conversations about Tarot--Susan Chang is great!
T Susan Chang is so intelligent and articulate. I love how she translates ancient concepts in modern terms. She’s elegant in her explanations and generous in her wisdom. I’m so happy you brought her on! Thank you 🙏🏽
Woo!! Two of my fav topics in one ❤
I agree, the added content related to ceremonial magick too.
Same! 🙌🏽
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are" - Anaïs Nin -- Great insights from both of you ...
I love that she says she can practice divination with anything. As a budding Astrologer, Tarot reader,Evidential Medium, Psychic, I can do a reading from a crumpled piece of paper or a rock etc. To me it’s just a different modality to glean into something bigger than ourselves. 💜✨ Great episode. Thank you.
oh wow... this is such a wonderful episode! thank you both for the great conversation. i see the aquarius moons here at play for sure - it's like a dance of minds. Thank you!
17:22 - Never have I heard a more thoughtful and relevant description of tarot.
So glad I found this archived episode; hopeful T. Susan Chang will join you again. What a beautiful mind--one of the rare diamonds sewn into the fabric of our collective consciousness.
Excellent interview. Thanks again Chris for expanding my knowledge and enjoyment.
I LOVE THE ASTROLOGY PODCAST!!! THANK YOU FOR TEACHING US 🥺🥺
Chris, I truly appreciate this episode and bringing in T.Susan Chang on to discuss two of my favorite practices. I wasn’t certain if these two topics have been previously discussed on your channel, but nevertheless it is here!
Thank you for bringing this on the table as there are quite a few of us tarot readers merging astrology in their practice. I’m definitely one of these practitioners! 😊🌹✨🌙
I appreciate that you continue to Explore terrain that few astrologers have. I never thought I would see you really doing such an episode like this, knowing that you’ve only recently publicly explored topics like this with Austin, but I really appreciate your willingness to go here. It’s been cool watching you lay such a deep foundation over the years, and to now really see you take the podcast in so many different and varying directions. Thank you for your work. Cheers.
Love T. Susan Chang!
What a phenomenal dialogue! Thank you both so much 😍
I took lots of notes on this one, as I'm currently fascinated by the intersection of Tarot and Astrology, the archetypes, numerology, and just general consciousness. Lovely and helpful conversation, Thank You both !!!
Amazing video about two of my favourite topics! Would you ever consider doing a video on degree theory? Is that something that applies in Hellenistic Astrology?
Yes please!
Last night I arrived back from Denver (your stomping grounds!) to Indianapolis airport. The shuttlebus dropped me off in the snowy parking lot but I could not find my car. After a good 20 mins I saw another fellow with 2 huge rolling suit cases who also forgot where he parked. It totally made me think of the 5 of Pentacles, the first card delved into at about the 40:00 mark. Bare feet- I had just got back from visiting a friend who was a former Chicago Bear and a Pieces. Both of us searching for our cars until finally the stranger called security and they drove us around in the night until we found it. The church= remembering and dealing with memories in an appropriate way... our walking symbolized our travel in experience, not in places as some say the Chariot is all about. Just randomly happened to watch this video tonight, Thank you.
I have had a great afternoon spending it with you two delightful spirits..You have fill my on going book of knowledge with awesome valuable information I will used daily..Your spirits have a very beautiful flow between each other. I will purchase T. Susan Chang book 36 secrets dealing with the miner Arcana...Plus I was greatly intrigued on her concept of using sympathetic magic with her cards...I would LOVE to learn more..(.I would purchase her book in a heart beat if she wrote on her ideas she would use for each of the 78.).. If there are books on this subject already out there ...please list in the comments to help anyone else who might be interested. Thank you. CHRIS : another wonderful guest...You never disappoint...Stay Blessed ~ j ~
Such an interesting session. Thank you .
Hey Chris, what about an Episode on the Arabic parts and their usage with some vivid examples? Maybe by going through your systematic analysis that you recommended in Chapter 16 of your book? I'd love to see that. By the way I never thought that a thick book on Hellenistic Astrology could be so comprehensive and practical. Great job!
My favorite way to read cards is in pairs. It gives you a subject card and a modifier/descriptor card. My favorite way to do relationship readings (or any reading involving multiple people) is to lay down a row of cards (in pairs) for each person and contrast and compare the rows. For example, Id lay down six cards for the querant, first two being the subject and modifier card for the past, second two being subject and modifier for the present, last two are for the future. Then directly underneath will be six cards for the other person. That's a 12 card reading so there's a lot to work with, but it's laid out in a way where you can break it into small, easy to digest sections, directly compare the two people, and see a clear visual story and dynamic between them.
This channel is so interesting - I love it. A big thank you to everyone who took the time to create and participate in these videos, you are all a source of great inspiration :)
I think the suggestion of Austin Coppock and T Susan Chang as guests would be great. I took a tarot class with Austin in ‘19 and he talked about 36 Faces being republished on March of ‘20. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and I haven’t heard when that is to be. Anyone with info? In the meantime, I will be ordering Susan’s new book.
I agree! This would be a great conversation!
I would have my notebook and pen ready.
A combo course would be excellent.
It's been noted by T.Susan Chang that Austin's publisher has plans to release later this year.
I will purchase both books, as I'm primarily a tarot consultant but have been exploring astrological decans since last summer.
I LOVE the connection between both practices.
Wow! This was fascinating. The sympathetic magic section blew my mind. But, overall such an interesting episode.
Aquarian moons🙌
Great episode as usual! Thanks.
I'll add some timestamps (mostly for me.. and in Spanish, sorry)
00:08:30 - Génesis del episodio. ¿Astrología es adivinación? Referencia a episodio de Geoffrey Cornelius
00:11:30 - Referencia a concepto de sortilegio.
00:14:45 - Explicación bases del Tarot.
00:16:00 - Comentario sobre lo aleatorio (random) y el caos en relación al Tarot.
00:17:00 - Cita de Jung.
00:20:20 - Dinámica del Tarot.
00:21:33 - Modelo de 3: Pasado, presente, futuro | Causa, situación, resultado | Historia, problema, consejo | Algo que te ayuda, objetivo, algo que te obstaculiza | Lo qué entiendo, lo que no entiendo, lo que necesito saber.
00:22:38 - Objeciones a tirada de Cruz Celta.
00:23:20 - Modelo de 2: Uno y el otro | Ventaja y desventaja | Qué soltar, dejar ir, y a qué abrazarse | Lo que te nutre y lo que te drena | Si lo hago, si no lo hago (corta dos mazos y saca una carta de cada uno).
00:26:00 - Anécdota del suegro y las decisiones.
00:28:26 - Semejanza entre Tarot y Astrología: pensamiento simbólico.
I enjoyed that clock analogy. 2:10:41
Clocks reflecting time, not causing it.
However, one could argue that (some)one/thing is "creating" time through that clock ticking because literally every change that happens is a form of time-keeping. Every particle interaction in physics, every thought in every mind. These are all "clocks". Clocks are basically a technique to observe/notice, or be aware of the passage of time, through the observation of changes in pattern as such.
Time is the Moving Image of Eternity.
The universe "doing/acting" the passage of time through the clock ticking. They can not be separated. They're mirroring in a non-dual way. Like a magnet, having two poles, but still being part of one "thing".
So consider the astrological patterns/aspects one sees, tarot cards/spreads one pulls, and also simply normal clocks to be (sub)conscious signals to and from Your Self, the One Mind. Open to be interpreted and/or acted upon.
Such divinatory techniques are akin to maintaining a habit of looking at your hand periodically to check if you are dreaming. In that case one is looking for a certain kind of signal/pattern in order to facilitate a realization of (un)reality.
However there isn't anything that isn't signal/pattern. There isn't anything that isn't Meaning, with a capital M. It's just that usually it's everyday stuff like "I'm hungry", or "I'm late" so it seems like "meaning" with a non-capitalized 'm'.
Literally every experience has meaning, and I invite you to ponder on what the Meaning of the experience of Experience is...
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Back to the clock analogy: when we look at the clock we are aware of time and whatever we associate with time at that specific time. Like whatever chores or appointments or bills are in our calendar or on our schedule presently. It can also be abstract like being reminded about the larger concept of time through sub-concepts such as "the future" and so on.
Looking at the clock and being reminded of time can be like pulling the Wheel of Fortune from tarot. We have very little control over timing and the passage of time, we are kind of along for the ride. Though that reminds me of those experiments where they had people going in a roller coaster looking at a digital display that changes digits faster than you can see. Except that when they were experiencing the roller coaster their subjective experience of time slowed down and they were suddenly able to see the digits after all. There are ways to increase our information-receiving bandwidth(s) so to speak.
In any case, both looking at a clock and getting the Wheel of Fortune can serve as reminders of the cycles of life (through/in time).
There is literally infinite information "out there" or really inside us. We necessarily and naturally tune in to certain parts, through choosing in each conscious moment as best we are able. On the other hand all "unconscious decisions" (negatively manifested as self-sabotage and/or acting from instinct and/or limbic fear and ego) and events that happen to us are fate, our response is free will. In that sense the universe is like a monumental flow-chart of decisions. Everything is mapped out in advance, since time does not exist from the perspective of The Divine, having already lived all the different version of all our lives.
And we can train our free will as a skill. By realizing that You as The Divine have already lived all these lives you are open to doing it "again", because you know you (have already) overcome and this enables you to use your "imagination" to "imagine" all these "past" and "future" lives and to collaborate with your supposed other half, the external reality, to tune in to different futures. It's like remembering a dream of an experience of the Highest Good (or whatever you want or "want") and seeing it as an actual memory from/of a "different" reality rather than a fake and imagined "play-reality" within this "real reality" which is how many (incorrectly) view dreams today.
Anyway... A really inspiring conversation. Thanks!
As above, so below. As within, so without. As the Universe so the Soul. My personal take as a tarot reader is that there is quantum entanglement of the systems with similar blueprints that are based on the sacred geometry of the universe, and that as tarot cards are a representation of the energies of the heavens, the zodiac, the measuring of a year by the position of the planets, if you learn to tune just right, you can somehow remote view the influencing planetary energies of each person. On that wheeled chart, you can find your position and the energies around you.
Such a lovely guest! and episode..thankyou both💜
Susan said that "I think that you can get the results you need by mixing it up a little." Exactly what Temperance would say! 2:16:10
A fantastic TH-cam channel and a great guest! Thank you
Really enjoyed this conversation. T. Susan Change helped me more clearly connect to a fundamental system operating in astrology and the tarot. Divining meaning from symbols is a process of connecting to a very real intelligence through our imagination. This concept unifies the 'imagined' and 'real' because they can be seen as coming from the same place. I believe the spiritual faculties in many can handle this relationship between the irrational and rational, but is something that is in constant dialogue with each other. The ultimate 'both' in life. Appreciated her honesty and thoughts on the place this living language is operating from. As always, thanks for being a great host Chris. Such good work you do.
I first learned to read Tarot in 2008 and have been fascinated by divination ever since. I was skeptical of tarotscopes at first but after being spiritually nudged to give them a try I've seen powerful responses from folks on the other end of the reading. This year I'm working on making tarotscopes a regular part of my private and personal divination practice, which begins with becoming more proficient with astrology. I am so excited for the depth and nuance made possible when tarot and astrology come together.
this is so good , I just love the deep thoughts yall have it makes my brain work like it always wanted if that makes any sense 😄 I am always thinking about these types of deep thoughts and its great to find people who know how to express them so well!!!
One of my fav episodes, I relisten to this one more than any others!
Awesome episode! Thanks Chris....
Will definitely be checking out Fortune's Wheelhouse. Great episode, learned some new things about divination!
YES!! I knew I was in an Astrology Podcast mood today. This is EXACTLY what I needed. Thank you! Exited to hear what you two have to say
Also, the figure on the Chariot card has a sky filled with stars on his canopy overhead, a star crown, and is covered with astrological symbols in his belt and kilt, as well as the moon on his shoulders. This is Chris's metaphorical garb.
That was so interesting! I could listen to you two talk together all day. Hope to hear more of Susan. Thanks for all your talks!
Great episode, thanks so much for inviting her :)
What an excellent conversation!!! Learned an immense amount as well as confirmed a few things I had been thinking for a while as well. Thank you for this incredible resource. ❤
I think whenever we have a question of subjective or objective or is something one thing or another we need to ask if the two are really one thing and if we are merely splitting it into two. The distinction between "chance* and "objective phenomenon" may be purely mental. It doesn't necessarily mean that just because an astrological event seems to be an objective phenomenon that it is outside of the same underlying principles that operate in chance or a divination. Perhaps we are asking the wrong question. Perhaps it's not a question of if it's random or predictable but what underlying principles operate in both and in all phenomenon. This confusion is all a matter of human division mentally; of the very principles of thought and assumptions that the mind makes.
ABSOLUTELY LOOOVE YOUR CHANNEL!
Thank you for your hard work!
Loved this discussion! Thank you! Im going to buy her book! Although did I miss the part where Chris poses a question for the tarot? 😉
Thank you for this! Astrology and tarot go together like a dream. My favourite thing to do is to do a 12 house horoscope spread - one card for each house laid down in a circle. I mostly use the THOTH deck - and I go off the astrology of the card - for example, yesterday I got the Two of Wands in the 10th house - so I read that as Mars in Aries IN the 10th house. You can also incorporate your birth chart and/or current transits. For example if you currently had Jupiter in the 10th house along with the card I just mentioned - you would read it as a Mars-Jupiter conjunction in Aries - in the 10th house. I have a friend that does this - although I'm not quite there yet haha. The possibilities are endless.
Is your interview with Geoffrey Cornelius on your TH-cam channel?, I searched when you referred to it here and haven't found. Thank you!
Just audio on the website.
@@backinfive2286 thank you appreciate that.
There is an audio version and a transcript on the podcast website here: theastrologypodcast.com/2015/11/24/geoffrey-cornelius-moment-of-astrology/
@@TheAstrologyPodcast Thanks, grateful for all your recordings.
"A Conversation with Fate".........nailed it Sister!!! FANtastic interview...Thanks you 2!!!
Excellent podcast! Really enjoyable and thought provoking conversation, plus as someone new to tarot, a very grounded how-to which I really appreciate. ♥️ thank you both for your contributions
Thank you for this episode! Just finally checking it out and I am so glad I was able to give it space today!
I am only 16:08 minutes into the podcast, but I would assert that the moment of your birth, which then "fixes" the planets, etc., in your birth chart, is a "random" event, similar to pulling cards from the tarot deck. The planets are moving around all the time (similar to shuffling the tarot deck) and your birth is the point at which the shuffling stops and the "draw" is made (or the spread is laid) and your birth chart is cast.
Awesome podcast! Thank you.
Yes, I find my readings are “mediumistic” to a quite comical degree. In my case, the cards will communicate what needs to come through, even if I diligently try to stick to the questions.
Something I eventually just needed to accept.
Ah! Same birthday! (diff year) haha.. And I'm into both astrology and tarot! ^^
Very informative here and I really liked the way you talk. I'm picky picky about podcasts and really don't care for them usually. This is the second time I got to experience this one and I love how you doing this reminds me of a program in 7th grade I was a member of the two teachers who lead it and still one has not retired now I'm 46. It's a class I always looked forward to the time I got thirsty for knowledge again and the female teacher was a virgo too. My memory is really vivid for 1988 more than last week and I love you Aquarius moons. My grandma was one of those people and they're all humanitarians even though some of them keep it in the closet. 🐾❤️
I love how in depth you go in your videos and how long they are - I love long videos :-)
absolutely magnificent! Bought two of the Tarot books and a new deck🙏🙏☮️
I’m am really quite excited. Thank you. Any chance of an audio version? Audible? There doesn’t seem to be too much choice on the topic of esoteric on audible but love to reread or listen for revision.
it's on spotify
I am just finding this now but I am struck by the synchronicity of the date this episode was recorded and the episode number (recorded 2/19 episode 291) especially since 219 is my favorite number and I often get both astrological and tarot messages/guidance/images/information when I am reading (psychic, medium). Needless to say I can’t wait to watch!
I love me some T&A. 🤗
I literally screamed when I saw this posted!
Really loved this show. It made me think a bit deeper. I always wonder why taro works so well. Sometimes it just answers so specific that it shocks me!
Susan again demonstrates the qualities of Temperance at 1:14:56 as she describes herself as more of a "lumper" than a "splitter." A "Lumper" being a combiner, like the Angel on the Temperance card.
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That was fine. I’ll humorously throw in the Blind Melon cover of 3 Is The Magic Number because I somehow own it not knowing how that happened.
My view is.. if something is true it’ll be compatible with anything else that’s true. Archetypes are fun especially when made to actually define one. One of the things that’s fun with astrology is looking at planets and sign deciding what the “archetype” would be.
I wasn’t in the mood for delving more into the golden dawn, solar temple, and solar lodge and had a laugh to myself when the subjects came up. Personally, in terms of astrology and archetypes, I’ve been trying to force myself to abide by the whole sign house system because it just seems significantly easier and chiron is one that I’m beginning to shift on because.. I don’t relate to chiron in the 9th which is where it falls in whole signs. However.. because of covid and what’s happening socially I’m reminded I grew up during the satanic panic. Then, adding to it, spending more time with my mother due to covid restrictions plus other things I’m surprised by her conspiracy theory beliefs which is due to listening to podcasts. Not Joe Rogan, but I still hold the view a podcaster isn’t going to change a belief that wasn’t always there. She gets into the ones sort of discussed here with Crowley, whom I file with Timothy Leary as being more of a problem than a solution by just acting like an idiot. They’re fine, but their stunts set things back. I don’t have issues with 9th house matters, but I do begin to wonder if the chiron impact relates to OTHERS beliefs I may not be aware of that had consequences without my knowledge. Then I fall back on the potential of quadrants being correct in terms of fine tuned accuracy where it’s in the 8th, but actually impacting the 9th by sign which ties to the libra Venus, mars, and Pluto conjunctions. I do enjoy these sort of occultist organizations to a degree, but there’s a weird personal reaction I have which is, by archetype, hard to place. Maybe chiron actually is impacting the 9th?
I like playing archetype games, I used to play one with a good friend to make her uncomfortable, but I can play a nicer one here.
As mentioned on the podcast, a reason I like this podcast is most likely the Aquarius and Saturn nature of the show. Richard Tarnas is very Alan Watts to me, but Watts hated astrology as far as I know by his spiteful lecture on it. Becca Tarnas relates to Neptune, I’m curious to look at progressions to see if it ever goes direct, but I’m often lazy. Austin is great just because I enjoy (possibly) the rahu and Saturn (if I recall correctly). The magic and mentions of Clive Barker definitely help. Claire Moon is great, I don’t recall why specifically. Adam Elenbass is fantastic, I delved a little into Cat Rose Neligan due to heavy interest in the lot of Daimon lately. I do think the 7 hermetic lots are being disrespected a little in astrology, but I did see the list of lots beyond those 7 which is beyond ridiculous.
I actually like it when astrologers use other methods with astrology. Part of my interest deep diving is looking for patterns where spiritual paths/methods can be found beyond a somewhat stale natal chart. I hoped the nodes had something in them, but I’m not quite finding it, but maybe a small part.
Fun episode.
Thank you!
At 1:15:45, The I-Ching, because it is bibliomancy, and is based on Confucianism (which contains a particular philosophical and ethical outlook), therefore has a stated (in its characters/words) inherit moral outlook that many other systems do not necessarily bring to the forefront as the I-Ching does.
This is a bomb!
1:08:35: Pamela Coleman Smith (illustrator of the Rider-Waite deck) was a member of the Golden Dawn.
At 24.33 I drew a card for each of you. I drew the Chariot for Chris and Temperance for Susan. Both Trumps (from a 78 card deck). We will see how they play out over the course of the interview. Interesting that they are both looking at the audience (like the two of you) and not looking at each other. Chris wants to assert his willpower and move forward towards his goal, and Susan wants to blend things together (perhaps Astrology and the Tarot).
Absolutely love this conversation. Thank you both.
At 47:43. The question helps provide the context for the reader, so that in interpreting the many different potential meanings and levels of the card, the reading can become more accurate and useful to the questioner.
Excellent discussion and very informative!
Really good discussion!
Thank You!
The misconception of the 'yellowness' of the Rider-Wait deck came about more because of the color of the box than the actual art on the the cards. There are only 15 cards have yellow backgrounds (and one of those is obscured) out of the 78 total, which is less than 20%. 1:10:35 Note: A fair number of the Tabula Mundi cards are yellow as well, See the Aces and Princesses at: www.tabulamundi.com/minor-arcana/
Tea leaf reading, reading of bones, runes, playing cards, scrying (crystal ball gazing), divining, Ogham reading, etc. 1:35:00 (Other forms of divination you have not mentioned).
Bruh, I did the "show me a path between the 8 of Swords and the Star" shuffle. The Star was on the bottom of the deck, and the 8 of Swords was 8 cards from the top. I have a heck of a path forward, at least
Per the comments around 56:33: The Golden Dawn was founded in 1997 and began splintering into different groups of the tradition around 1901; but it lasted fairly robustly (through the splinter groups) until the 1930s, and there was a temple operating as late as 1978.
Wouldn't surprise me if there were still mini temples to this day as you can still get their printed works
Interesting interview, I respect that different tarot readers have different styles. At the same time, a 10 card or even bigger spread is not complicated at all and actually gives a more accurate reading because you have more information to work with. As a tarot reader, respectfully, please be careful out there spending money on readings. If a reader is at a level where they're charging you for a reading and they're incapable of utilizing a large spread it's unlikely that they're in a position to give much advice. A three-card spread only gives very broad strokes, it would be akin to reading a third of a person's birth chart.
Two of my focus topics!
At: 1:38:18 Chris, ... We don't yet know whether the drawing of certain cards in a tarot reading is predetermined or not. The cards you draw may be just as predetermined as where the planets are going to be at any particular point in time. It may be that we just don't, yet, have a way to predict in advance which cards are going to be pulled.
at 22:50, I find the Celtic Cross to be too complex and sometimes misleading, the 3 card spread is the best when it comes to straight forward questions and answers
Thanks for covering this juicy topic! From an ☆ *Aquarius stellium* ☆ also it's wonderful that you're both Aquarius moons :)
With your knowledge of astrology numerology and tarot
Are just the twelve signs and the five elements times the two genders and eight directions and symbolic colors all whirled into a picture. I appreciate your thoroughness.
What a rich conversation. 🙏 Also Virgo Sun & Aquarius Moon (27*) here, haha! I'm still comparitively such a baby to both Astrology & Tarot but I've been taking both deeper for a bit over a year, drawing cards and observing my chart & transits closely. I've noticed a correlation between Uranus squares, conjunctions & opposition's and the Tower card. Uranus opposing Mercury, Conjoining Mars, Squaring Mars, & Squaring Saturn have all been big Tower times for me in 2020/21 (2 deaths, separation, catastrophic winter storm craziness & more). Uranus has been in my 6th, though. Anyone else notice similar? Two of mine were Mars/Uranus transits. I'm going to have to pay closer attention to Mars aspects as related to Tower now, too.
At 52:26 Susan exhibits the qualities of the Temperance card by taking things that are wildly different and trying to reconcile them.
Great guests and topics on this channel
I read the daily horoscope according to the rising sign of the time and place on Earth.
OMG I literally scream of excitment, you are my two idols 😭
Fabulous discussion! Many thanks for both of you
1:46:40 Maybe the reason that Astrology "went away" after the astronomers figured out that the earth was not the center of the universe was NOT the fact that the solar system revolves around the sun, but rather the side effect of the having the necessary "CHANCE" element for divination being removed from the divination process! It was no longer like throwing bones if you knew where the bones were going to land.
As thoughts come through my mind I look at the exact moment s chart for clear ness.
So the Five of Pentacles, a decan of Taurus ruled by Mercury....so one must apply the faculties/principles of Mercury to Taurean things.
Just ordered the book! 😊 Love you both!
great talk, ref the playing cards ♠♣♥♦ they are a representation of the yearly earth cycle. 52 cards 52 weeks, 4 suits 4 seasons, 13 cards per suit 13 cards per season or 13 lunar cycles in the year, 12 court cards 12 months x
I find myself remembering that I have used symbolic and ceremonially magic in silly things that I have done. I just didn’t know why I would want to do those things or what it was called. We learn through everything. The seven of diamonds energy in Heaven very little help on the earth plain. Needs an attitude of gratitude to be successful.
This was awesome! Thank you
Btw does anyone know where I can find high quality images of each card from the Thoth deck? That Seven of Disks looked extremely HD