So 6 years ago, I had a nissan leaf. I wanted to install a home charger. I called an electrician and got $1000 estimate, and I already had the $500 charger device at home. So I started watching TH-cam videos showing how to install a 220v 30 Amp charger. I was able to install it myself, and it's almost 7 years now with no problems. Im in Washington state with the cheapest electricity in the nation, 11 cents per kwh. So my Tesla has a 71kw battery. Total cost to charge is 71x.11=$7.10. Yep 330 miles for $7. Of home charging. $uck it Texaco
Jeremiah, I would like to give you my sincere thank-you for your channel. I ordered a model Y long range 10 days ago and have my RN number but not a VIN yet. I have spent hours watching your content and have learned so much and I am so very grateful. Your Tesla videos are truly the best on TH-cam and should be a must-watch for any prospective model 3 or model Y owners.
nema 4-50 wall install is around $400. I've done this install three times in three different states. I payed $400 every time and I never told them how much I payed before. So there you go.
Think I’m a pretty typical Tesla M3 owner. Can’t imagine why anyone needs more than a Tesla Mobile Charger….and a 240v outlet. It’ charges at up to 32a, much more than most of us need. Unless I need virtually a full charge I lower the charge rate to 15 or 20 amps and still wake up to a full charge.
Imo, I’ve spent $60k on the car, I happily spend the extra couple hundo for the Tesla wall connector to make it look good and get the few extra miles per hour. I’m gonna have it there for years and I happily walk out there everyday and smile when I see it.
Thanks for this info, I am installing a 14-50 mobile charger for 2023 model y long range. I used this video to confirm the electrician knew what he was talking about. Once I saw he wanted a 6 gauge wire and 50 amp breaker I knew I could trust him. Appreciate you sharing this was super helpful and reduced the stress for me!
I had the 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet installed by a licensed electrician and have been using the mobile charger and 14-50 adapter from Tesla and it all works fine. I had them run 8AWG through approved non-metal conduit and I get 80% of 50 AMPs or 40 AMPs. If I did it over, I'd run the AWG 6 on a 60 AMP breaker with brownout, over-draw and over-heat cutout protection and get 48 AMPs but that 8 extra AMPs is not worth the redo cost. The breaker protection features are important according to Tom Moloughney of the StateOfCharge channel. I've also used the mobile charger with the Tesla 5-15 adapter running over an extension cord to a 20 amp 110V outlet in the garage and that works just fine too. What I don't have is a second mobile charger and adapter for ... well ... mobile use. So I plan to get that whenever it's available.
Trickle charger saved my life 🤣🤣🤣. Crazy 3 day snow storm 2 years ago while I was in the mountains hunting. Absolutely no charger nearby or within 100 miles. Normally I would be fine but my battery went from 160 to 50 over a few days. I somehow found this charger in my basement behind all this garbage
A hardwired EVSE should cost LESS to install than a NEMA 14-50 outlet. The wiring is essentially the same, and you don't have to pay for a GFCI circuit breaker (assuming you're installing it to code), or the 14-50 outlet itself (plus the junction box and outlet cover). (You really should choose a commercial-grade outlet over a $15 Lowes/Home Depot outlet for safety sake.) These two pieces of hardware can easily add $200 to the installation cost. I had a J1772 EVSE hardwired for only $195. There are three very good reasons to opt for a J1772: - Works with any EV - if a non-Tesla-owning friend needs to get a quick charge while visiting, you're covered - If you decide to buy a non-Tesla EV in the future, you're covered - Resale value for your home vs a Tesla wall connector Since the J1772 adapter still comes with new Teslas, there's no compatibility problem. About the only downside is the lack of the button on the connector that opens your charge door and unlocks the charge port.
The J1772 connector is not the way to go now. A Tesla charger is the better option with all EVs in North America switching to using the NACS (Tesla) connector in the next year or so.
I was doing the trickle and it’s been aight. Ordered the 14-50 and the outlet adapter that connects to the dryer. Will have to share and remember that we can’t use both at the same time.
I got a wall connector for my RWD Model 3 for the weatherproof reasons. We don’t have a garage available and I wasn’t sure how much the mobile connector would be able to handle in harsh weather so I wanted to be safe and got the wall connector. Installation was $250. I keep my free mobile connector in my car for emergencies only had to use it once so far
@@billysonlinesurveychannel8247 dang man they’re nuts. Fortunately it was pretty simple for me I knew a couple electricians from school and got a great price
Here in Quebec we get a small incentive of $600 if you buy the wall charger, so it makes way more sense, even if you don't have the 60A electric panel.
An Important factor for both the mobile connector and wall connector is the length of the cable, 20' and 24' respectively, and which leads some to consider the 3rd party J1172 options ...
That extra 4' is what sold me on the wall connector, even though it's only on a 50 amp breaker (40 amps charging). Easy install right below the garage subpanel so I can park the car straight in (my preferred direction for a couple of reasons). The 20' mobile wouldn't reach. Plus, I installed it myself, so could justify the added cost :)
Very knowledgeable review! I have been driving an EV since 2017……i went from my Prius to a Fiat 500E…..😅(I couldn’t afford a Tesla just yet & wanted to get my feet wet)……as i was upgrading my electric panel….i chose to get a 60 amp hardwired Clipper Creek… i think the panel upgrade and the ev install was close to $1800 in south florida…. The clipper creek i bought was used for $550. And just recently, i experienced an electrical fault in the charger…….i tried resetting, but it didnt work, so i opened the charger & found that there was a short…..i called an electrician…..and the fault was corrected. The motherboard on my clipper creek however, was toast 😢! Fortunately for me, i had bought a Tesla charger a year earlier…and it was installed and works perfectly……I had to use the supercharger 3 times while out of commission….although the prices were cheap….nothing beats charging at home at 1/2 of that rate!! My 2022 LRMY came with the charger…which i used for work… loved your review…it was honest & useful…..thank you!
Wall connector is also worth it if you need to install outdoors. And you r getting an extra 18amps because the mobile connector is 30amps. The corded mobile connectors are used for ~$450
12:59 There is no reasom for the wall connector installation to be much more expensive than a new 240V wall outlet, which has to be "hard wired" as well. In addition high current outlet is a fire hazard and you better buy the most expensive there is if you choose that option. Wall charger is a safer long term option
That sounds like a deal! My uncle is an electrician but i live in an apartmebt complex and i wonder if i can install a charger without getting kicked out😂
Thanks for the info. I am an electrician and have installed chargers for BMW but never tesla. I have been seeing a mix of videos using 30 amp chargers and lowering the amp draw on the app or charger somehow and the 40amp for the correct install but I like your idea of running 6 gauge to a 50amp. If someone wants to plug a welder or compressor in, they won't be tripping breakers.
I got a Model 3 SR in March 2023 and I got my Mobile Connector for free with the car (including a non-tesla type 2 connector cable for public charging)
Could you elaborate on the 32 amp thing regarding the base model? So would a typical drier outlet not work? lol I have used my base model 3 at my families house who has a wall connector and it worked just fine.
10 years ago, I managed to burn my house down thinking I knew enough about electricity... I've learned quite a bit since then and in anticipation of getting Model Y come next June/July, I'm already stringing up the charge point for the mobile connector. PS, The Hubbell NEMA 14-50 receptacle is the one that should be used for EV charging, as it is beefier and better designed than the one your dryer would plug into... Mine cost 90 on Amazon, so they're pricey, but wont melt under the amperage load. The el-cheapo I plugged my RV into managed to melt both the receptacle *and* the RV cord plug.
In the case that the outlet might be further away… The parking space is far from the house-do you suggest not using an extension cord for 120v overnight?
I drive 115 miles a day from home to work 4 days a week. Then if i got extra places / errands to run. it can get up to 150 in one day. I tried doing the public free charging and level one. Since , there is some level 2 public charges fairly close. Then charging at my office. For the first 5 months of having my model . It just became way to inconvenient . So, I got the Wall connector install . Especially, if I want to park in my drive way . Since , winters in IL can get super rough.
115 miles per day is a lot to ask of an electric. And yes it gets old having to charge up all the time especially during the winter. I split my time between my gas power car and an Ebike I built. I put on about 10,000 miles a year, equally split. It cost me about 5¢ to charge up my bike giving me 20 miles of riding.
THX for the work you do. We use the garage dryer outlet with a 2 way cable splitter , one to the dryer one for the car, bought a nema plug adapter for the plug that comes with the mobile cord cost about $50 total for the home parts, Why spend $1000 for an electrician when you don't have too.
I’m guessing a lot of Americans have their circuit breaker in the garage? In my area, the circuit breaker is in the basement. I wonder how much it would be to route cable from the circuit breaker all the way up and into the garage. Must be nice to just install a NEMA a foot away from a circuit breaker lol
Thanks. This is good info as I'm about to install a connector. You mention that getting the wall connector installed is more expensive than getting a 14-50 connector installed. I'm not sure that's true. In addition to not needing the 14-50 outlet, the breaker itself gets cheaper. At least in my area, a 14-50 outlet requires a GFI breaker, but a hardwired appliance can just use a cheaper breaker. In CAD dollars, the difference is about $100, so probably 60 or so in USD.
Crazy seeing this a year later. The cost to install a Wall Connector in my area is 200-400 less than a 14-50 wall outlet due to an extra wire and GFCI breaker needs. With my daily driving needs I in no way need the speed of a Wall Connector but for the cheaper install price it’s almost a no brainer now
When you daisy-chain them, you don't have to set the charging speed on the cars, the wall units automatically tell the cars how many amps they can draw. I have two 80A Tesla wall chargers sharing a single 100A circuit and they work perfectly together.
I live in an apartment with an attached 2-car garage. My apartment office wouldn't let me get a NEMA 14-50 plug installed, but they would allow me to install a Tesla wall connector on a 50A circuit, which is what I did.
I'll be getting the wall connector installed to take advantage of the 35% discount in charging rates through my electric company.... Makes it worth it.
I thought the mobile connector would be all I needed but recently ran into issue where a hot garage reduced charge speeds. You mentioned cold but you did not mention effect of heat on charging speeds. Im thinking about hard wire install now to be more durable in extreme cold/heat.
I had the same issue this summer in TX. Called an electrician who checked with his boss and he got back to me and suggested that I bring the charger into the house to cool it, then take it back out to (hot) garage and charge car. It worked! Was getting 1mi/hr before cooling; up to 5mi/hr. after I cooled charger. Appreciated Tesla's message to me, "charging speed reduced due to high temperature. Call electrician" .
Thank you for all the explanation. So what I understand isI should not get the wall connector. Instead get two mobile connector. I got confused what kind of electric installation should I get ?
It might be smarter to turn off the breaker before unplugging the mobile charger. This will avoid the 14-50 plug from having an electrical spark with the outlet, which could damage it. It’s better to use a wall charger since you get faster charging. That’s my experience. Then you can save the mobile charger for trips, which you’ll unlikely to use anyways if you use the supercharger diligently. I always recharge at 50% +\- 10%. It’s about 4 hours charging with level 2 wall charging and 30 minutes at superchargers at 50% for Model 3 RWD.
We have a 240 Dryer outlet 10-30 on the opposite side of our garage. Electrician is going to take the wires and pull through the wall and install the 10-30 Dryer outlet in garage. He said about $250-$300. Going to use the Mobile connector from Tesla and will have to buy the adapter. Hopefully on a 30 amp breaker I can get 24v to charge car
When talking about the Tesla wall-mounted unit, keep in mind that most people have several tax credits available for this. I have a $500 tax credit from my state and another $500 from my local electric company. So even if the installation and material cost me $1,200, I’m only paying for $200.
I guess I was lucky, I was able to purchase the Tesla home charging station when it was $350.00. I was also lucky enough to have it hard wired to a 60 amp breaker for an additional $450.00 giving me more than adequate daily charging range. Bonus points when I charge during the day and we have full sunlight on our solar panels.
You dont get “bonus” points for charging during the day just because you have solar. Because the power “from your solar” used to charge your car, may or may not he coming from the solar. Even if you can power your entire home + charge EV during the daytime, the power needed to charge the EV is not going back to the grid for credits. Meaning, at some point your home will have to retake that lost kw hours (lost to the EV) from the grid, whether its to run your home or charge the car it doesnt matter. Unless you have a massive system that can eliminate your entire utility bill (a small percentage of solar) the. You will still draw from the grid, whether its to power your home or charge your EV doesnt matter.
One difference between the mobile and wall chargers that he didn’t mention is the cable length. The mobile chargers are 20’ and the wall charger has a 24’ cable. In my case a new Tesla will need to live and charge outside for a while but I want the outlet or wall charger mounted in the garage. Based on where I normally park our car next to the garage there’s no way that a 20’ mobile charger will reach. Even the 24’ cable on the wall charger may not reach. So, the next option is to use an extension cable but those are nearly $300. I’m thinking that I may end up moving the car into the driveway in front of the garage to charge it. I don’t normally park on the sloped driveway because my Wife has mobility issues. The spot next to the garage is flat. Eventually I would park in the garage but that’s not happening until we have a garage sale… or two… or three.
Yeah, how long driving that EV to save up that mũch money. Not talking about the initial cost of the tesla. I'd get the hybrid plug in. My M3SR+ has so much wind noise, cabin overheated. Only one good thing is power.
You are correct about not plugging and unplugging the device. However, the industry is finding that the cheaper outlets themselves are not built for the continuous loads and a lot of melting. If you must have a plug-in, get the more expensive commercial grade outlet. As you mentioned that it needs to be installed with the possibility that someone later may plug in a dryer or range, it therefor needs the extra neutral. There is also the code upgrades and debates on needing a gfci breaker (which Tesla says not to use). I do EVSE installations and the outlet install will cost you more than hardwired and limits you to a lower output. Get it permitted and a hardwire install is the best bet.
A consideration... If you are running a wire through attic space, the wire used needs to be a bigger guage than normal to provide for the thermal demands of running the wire through a possibly hot attic. Also, if your house only has 100 Amp service (older homes), hire an electrician. You will need a new electric meter install... a $2,000 plus job.
It will take long long time to save that 1000 bucks saving over fuel. EV is expensive. Not talking about 55-60k vehicle but the build is a camey or worser
@@tonymai1844 I bought my Tesla Model Y Performance for the fun; faster (to 60) than a Challenger Hellcat Redeye, with almost no moving parts parts to break and no maintenence. Plus it corners like a go cart.
I am a truck driving and really want to buy a model y performance. My problem is is i would have to keep it plugged in all week till i get home on the weekend. I have a garage to keep it in but i dont feel like its smart to keep it plugged in all week till the weekend . What do you think? I was thinking to just have it do the slow charging all week
Going to try to make due for a few weeks with the portable charger on a standard 15 amp plug, at least until we've agreed where the Model Y will be situated in the driveway when being charged. Once we know where to put it, we'll get a NEMA 14-50 installed, though since it will likely be on the opposite corner of the house from the breaker box it may cost an extra Benjamin or two to install this "cheaper" option. Thanks for publishing this vid.
If you are going to charge your EV inside your garage, then install a smoke alarm over your car that is interconnected to the other smoke alarms in your house. That way, when the battery goes into thermal runaway whilst charging - and don't delude yourself that "that will never happen to me" - at least you will be woken up so you dont burn to death in your sleep. And it happens to LFP batteries, too.
I’m a new Tesla, model Y owner I have a few questions about charging my vehicle I do have an 14-50 power outlet but my vehicle did not and kind of charger or adapter so if someone can help answering my question for what I need to use to charge it I really appreciate it thanks everyone 😊
I already have a Chargepoint Home Flex charger. It is on a 50 amp breaker so it can deliver up to 40 amps. The Tesla Model 3 LFP can only accept/pull 32 amps, so if the charger is set up to deliver 40 amps, will that be OK because the car will only accept 32 amps?
I got a quote for $360 to install the wall connector right behind the electrical panel. I'm a little confused because the video says it should cost $1000 +. Can someone clarify for me?
what I was looking for. Employees at solar company and Tesla couldn't explain or answer simple questions. I assumed mobile charger would be the better option. especially for standard. in the case of long range. I'd prefer wall charger. the additional miles of long range do balance out its quicker acceleration, power of dual motor alongside AWD. going gentle on long range pedals could outperform standard. wall charger speed is adjustable. this would ease thoughts of battery degradation and the question of am i charging the EV in the best possible way. however, that'd defeat wall charger's purpose and "faster" charging would not be advantageous. wall charger's power of charging would allow the long range to be no stranger at Tesla superchargers who have immense electric output. i see why mobile chargers are more than enough regardless. with the perk of saving money. making it more convenient option. universal wall charger would add value to the home. i got quoted $600 for installation... the only thing is if new wall charger gets released. i'd have the older version. new ev ports may release in the near future of evolving EV. in conclusion, standard with mobile charger is the best option for local. can leave the usual radius and sometimes even further. no problem. if you know the Tesla will travel trips often. long range with wall charger. long range with mobile connector would still work fine. same as standard with mobile charger. but, technically better for going on trips and to the mountains than standard. there's model S from 2013-18 still holding up. model S is the sport design. double of the model 3. model Y interior is appealing but S outperforms. price among these models is another factor. personally wouldn't keep one certain Tesla for long as the technology is still vast and not guaranteed. and in that case. battery degradation wouldn't even matter. because you wouldn't own the car for much time. i still would consider and monitor to be safe than sorry. wouldn't want to pay more at end of lease. maybe i wrote too much. now, i don't have decision. but, standard with mobile charger. the price is best. fulfills all my needs. yet again, long range is stronger and supposed to last longer.
I need a little more help explaining both mobile charges. I have the normal home charger and have not done any upgrades to my electrical outlets. I am left puzzled as to what to do now.
Depends on your driving demands. If you don’t drive that much you will be fine with the mobile one, if you live in cold climates you will want the extra boost. Also depends on what you want to spend and what you already have available.
@jremiahJones you mentioned that the 14-50 corded mobile connector should not be unplugged from the wall...is that the same scenario with the "new" mobile connector that has the different attachments as well?
I have a 6-50 outlet on the side of my house, but it's fairly old. Is there a way to restrict the charge rate of the Level-2 charger to avoid pulling max amps?
Also not an electrician but adding a obligatory "don't simply swap out a 5-15 plug for a 5-20 plug unless you are absolutely sure the wires behind the wall are rated for 20AMPS as well." Really don't swap out any plug for another similar plug unless you know all the wires in the circuit can handle the amperage of the new plug.
One thing that really bugs me is the use of 14 series plugs for EV charging, because a 6 series plug will perform exactly the same and be a cheaper install since you don’t have the neutral wire to install. IMO, if you drive
Why shouldn't I continuously unplug my mobile connector? I live in an apartment complex and all the Tesla vehicles use mobile connectors and always unplug them from the outlet when they're not using them.
One major drawback of charging an EV with a 120v outlet stems from the intricacies of the US electrical system. Despite using 120 volts for charging, the billing system may account for a higher voltage, such as 220 volts. Normally, this discrepancy might not be a significant concern as the electrical load is generally balanced across outlets in a household. However, excessive energy consumption on one pole might result in higher costs, with the user inadvertently paying for 220 volts when only charging their EV with 110 volts. Charging with 220 uses both poles and you pay for exactly what you use.
Well… I have the M3 base. And I just bought the Tesla wall connector. Electrician will install next week. Isn’t there a toggle switch inside the wall connector to change it to 30 amps? Is it for sure the base cannot use 60amp circuit breaker, 48amp max output? Thanks…..
Base has a 32amp onboard charger for AC charging. So your wall connector isn’t really doing anything except looking good. However if you upgrade or buy a 2nd tesla, then you’re future proofed.
I also have a base Model 3 RWD and Wall charger that gets installed soon. I chose this evse because I wanted the Tesla button on the handle and because I wanted to be able to link them to multiple units in the future. I also don't really like the Nema plugs and prefer hardwiring anyway. I had been incorrectly told that this car could charge at 9.6 kW but obviously that is false. 7.7kW is the max. But I'm also using this charger with an adapter to charge a Kia EV6 and it can pull 11kW.
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So 6 years ago, I had a nissan leaf. I wanted to install a home charger. I called an electrician and got $1000 estimate, and I already had the $500 charger device at home. So I started watching TH-cam videos showing how to install a 220v 30 Amp charger. I was able to install it myself, and it's almost 7 years now with no problems. Im in Washington state with the cheapest electricity in the nation, 11 cents per kwh. So my Tesla has a 71kw battery. Total cost to charge is 71x.11=$7.10. Yep 330 miles for $7. Of home charging. $uck it Texaco
Your not the cheapest rate I pay only 6.5 cents per kwh in Ohio.
@@chetsaxton1526 6.5 cents anytime day or night?
Probably more like 10$ because the charger isn't 100% efficient, but yeah
Jeremiah, I would like to give you my sincere thank-you for your channel. I ordered a model Y long range 10 days ago and have my RN number but not a VIN yet. I have spent hours watching your content and have learned so much and I am so very grateful. Your Tesla videos are truly the best on TH-cam and should be a must-watch for any prospective model 3 or model Y owners.
nema 4-50 wall install is around $400. I've done this install three times in three different states. I payed $400 every time and I never told them how much I payed before. So there you go.
Think I’m a pretty typical Tesla M3 owner. Can’t imagine why anyone needs more than a Tesla Mobile Charger….and a 240v outlet. It’ charges at up to 32a, much more than most of us need. Unless I need virtually a full charge I lower the charge rate to 15 or 20 amps and still wake up to a full charge.
Imo, I’ve spent $60k on the car, I happily spend the extra couple hundo for the Tesla wall connector to make it look good and get the few extra miles per hour. I’m gonna have it there for years and I happily walk out there everyday and smile when I see it.
Fair enough. I guess I’m just a cheapskate🤣
@Jeremiah Jones me and you both😂
It should come with a cable for that price. Color me cheap, too.
@@JremiahJonesHave to squeeze the nickel until the buffalo screams.
I’m also cheap, that’s why I’m able to buy a Tesla.
Thanks for this info, I am installing a 14-50 mobile charger for 2023 model y long range. I used this video to confirm the electrician knew what he was talking about. Once I saw he wanted a 6 gauge wire and 50 amp breaker I knew I could trust him. Appreciate you sharing this was super helpful and reduced the stress for me!
I had the 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet installed by a licensed electrician and have been using the mobile charger and 14-50 adapter from Tesla and it all works fine. I had them run 8AWG through approved non-metal conduit and I get 80% of 50 AMPs or 40 AMPs. If I did it over, I'd run the AWG 6 on a 60 AMP breaker with brownout, over-draw and over-heat cutout protection and get 48 AMPs but that 8 extra AMPs is not worth the redo cost. The breaker protection features are important according to Tom Moloughney of the StateOfCharge channel. I've also used the mobile charger with the Tesla 5-15 adapter running over an extension cord to a 20 amp 110V outlet in the garage and that works just fine too. What I don't have is a second mobile charger and adapter for ... well ... mobile use. So I plan to get that whenever it's available.
Trickle charger saved my life 🤣🤣🤣. Crazy 3 day snow storm 2 years ago while I was in the mountains hunting. Absolutely no charger nearby or within 100 miles. Normally I would be fine but my battery went from 160 to 50 over a few days. I somehow found this charger in my basement behind all this garbage
A hardwired EVSE should cost LESS to install than a NEMA 14-50 outlet. The wiring is essentially the same, and you don't have to pay for a GFCI circuit breaker (assuming you're installing it to code), or the 14-50 outlet itself (plus the junction box and outlet cover). (You really should choose a commercial-grade outlet over a $15 Lowes/Home Depot outlet for safety sake.) These two pieces of hardware can easily add $200 to the installation cost. I had a J1772 EVSE hardwired for only $195.
There are three very good reasons to opt for a J1772:
- Works with any EV - if a non-Tesla-owning friend needs to get a quick charge while visiting, you're covered
- If you decide to buy a non-Tesla EV in the future, you're covered
- Resale value for your home vs a Tesla wall connector
Since the J1772 adapter still comes with new Teslas, there's no compatibility problem. About the only downside is the lack of the button on the connector that opens your charge door and unlocks the charge port.
The J1772 connector is not the way to go now. A Tesla charger is the better option with all EVs in North America switching to using the NACS (Tesla) connector in the next year or so.
I was doing the trickle and it’s been aight. Ordered the 14-50 and the outlet adapter that connects to the dryer. Will have to share and remember that we can’t use both at the same time.
I got a wall connector for my RWD Model 3 for the weatherproof reasons. We don’t have a garage available and I wasn’t sure how much the mobile connector would be able to handle in harsh weather so I wanted to be safe and got the wall connector. Installation was $250. I keep my free mobile connector in my car for emergencies only had to use it once so far
I agree 100% and I went the same route. If you don't have a garage by all means get the Tesla wall charger.
Great to know. I am looking at getting a Tesla and I have to park outside in rain snow and temps between 0 and 95 depending on season.
Must have been a very easy straight forward procedure. Im in Ontario and was just quoted $1400. I hung up.
@@billysonlinesurveychannel8247 dang man they’re nuts. Fortunately it was pretty simple for me I knew a couple electricians from school and got a great price
Yea that's why I bought mine. Didn't install it yet but this comment helped to validate my buying it.
Here in Quebec we get a small incentive of $600 if you buy the wall charger, so it makes way more sense, even if you don't have the 60A electric panel.
An Important factor for both the mobile connector and wall connector is the length of the cable, 20' and 24' respectively, and which leads some to consider the 3rd party J1172 options ...
That extra 4' is what sold me on the wall connector, even though it's only on a 50 amp breaker (40 amps charging). Easy install right below the garage subpanel so I can park the car straight in (my preferred direction for a couple of reasons). The 20' mobile wouldn't reach. Plus, I installed it myself, so could justify the added cost :)
Very knowledgeable review! I have been driving an EV since 2017……i went from my Prius to a Fiat 500E…..😅(I couldn’t afford a Tesla just yet & wanted to get my feet wet)……as i was upgrading my electric panel….i chose to get a 60 amp hardwired Clipper Creek… i think the panel upgrade and the ev install was close to $1800 in south florida…. The clipper creek i bought was used for $550. And just recently, i experienced an electrical fault in the charger…….i tried resetting, but it didnt work, so i opened the charger & found that there was a short…..i called an electrician…..and the fault was corrected. The motherboard on my clipper creek however, was toast 😢! Fortunately for me, i had bought a Tesla charger a year earlier…and it was installed and works perfectly……I had to use the supercharger 3 times while out of commission….although the prices were cheap….nothing beats charging at home at 1/2 of that rate!! My 2022 LRMY came with the charger…which i used for work… loved your review…it was honest & useful…..thank you!
Wall connector is also worth it if you need to install outdoors. And you r getting an extra 18amps because the mobile connector is 30amps. The corded mobile connectors are used for ~$450
12:59 There is no reasom for the wall connector installation to be much more expensive than a new 240V wall outlet, which has to be "hard wired" as well. In addition high current outlet is a fire hazard and you better buy the most expensive there is if you choose that option. Wall charger is a safer long term option
It’s cost me a 24 pack of beer! Thank God my brother-in-law is a certified electrician.
That sounds like a deal! My uncle is an electrician but i live in an apartmebt complex and i wonder if i can install a charger without getting kicked out😂
110v with 110 is not difficult to do lol
I got a mobile connector and a normal adapter. Also First-aid kit. Great value. UK. Owned for 2 days now!
Thanks for the info. I am an electrician and have installed chargers for BMW but never tesla. I have been seeing a mix of videos using 30 amp chargers and lowering the amp draw on the app or charger somehow and the 40amp for the correct install but I like your idea of running 6 gauge to a 50amp. If someone wants to plug a welder or compressor in, they won't be tripping breakers.
I got a Model 3 SR in March 2023 and I got my Mobile Connector for free with the car (including a non-tesla type 2 connector cable for public charging)
Do they not sell the corded connector anymore? I can only find the mobile connector.
Could you elaborate on the 32 amp thing regarding the base model? So would a typical drier outlet not work? lol I have used my base model 3 at my families house who has a wall connector and it worked just fine.
10 years ago, I managed to burn my house down thinking I knew enough about electricity... I've learned quite a bit since then and in anticipation of getting Model Y come next June/July, I'm already stringing up the charge point for the mobile connector. PS, The Hubbell NEMA 14-50 receptacle is the one that should be used for EV charging, as it is beefier and better designed than the one your dryer would plug into... Mine cost 90 on Amazon, so they're pricey, but wont melt under the amperage load. The el-cheapo I plugged my RV into managed to melt both the receptacle *and* the RV cord plug.
In the case that the outlet might be further away… The parking space is far from the house-do you suggest not using an extension cord for 120v overnight?
I drive 115 miles a day from home to work 4 days a week. Then if i got extra places / errands to run. it can get up to 150 in one day. I tried doing the public free charging and level one. Since , there is some level 2 public charges fairly close. Then charging at my office. For the first 5 months of having my model . It just became way to inconvenient . So, I got the Wall connector install . Especially, if I want to park in my drive way . Since , winters in IL can get super rough.
115 miles per day is a lot to ask of an electric. And yes it gets old having to charge up all the time especially during the winter. I split my time between my gas power car and an Ebike I built. I put on about 10,000 miles a year, equally split. It cost me about 5¢ to charge up my bike giving me 20 miles of riding.
THX for the work you do. We use the garage dryer outlet with a 2 way cable splitter , one to the dryer one for the car, bought a nema plug adapter for the plug that comes with the mobile cord cost about $50 total for the home parts, Why spend $1000 for an electrician when you don't have too.
For those using a splitter, you can't charge the car and use the electric dryer at the same time.
I’m guessing a lot of Americans have their circuit breaker in the garage? In my area, the circuit breaker is in the basement. I wonder how much it would be to route cable from the circuit breaker all the way up and into the garage. Must be nice to just install a NEMA a foot away from a circuit breaker lol
Thanks. This is good info as I'm about to install a connector. You mention that getting the wall connector installed is more expensive than getting a 14-50 connector installed. I'm not sure that's true. In addition to not needing the 14-50 outlet, the breaker itself gets cheaper. At least in my area, a 14-50 outlet requires a GFI breaker, but a hardwired appliance can just use a cheaper breaker. In CAD dollars, the difference is about $100, so probably 60 or so in USD.
Just picked up a 2023 model 3, it has the pucks and the charger in the under trunk 😊
Crazy seeing this a year later. The cost to install a Wall Connector in my area is 200-400 less than a 14-50 wall outlet due to an extra wire and GFCI breaker needs.
With my daily driving needs I in no way need the speed of a Wall Connector but for the cheaper install price it’s almost a no brainer now
When you daisy-chain them, you don't have to set the charging speed on the cars, the wall units automatically tell the cars how many amps they can draw. I have two 80A Tesla wall chargers sharing a single 100A circuit and they work perfectly together.
I live in an apartment with an attached 2-car garage. My apartment office wouldn't let me get a NEMA 14-50 plug installed, but they would allow me to install a Tesla wall connector on a 50A circuit, which is what I did.
I'll be getting the wall connector installed to take advantage of the 35% discount in charging rates through my electric company.... Makes it worth it.
I thought the mobile connector would be all I needed but recently ran into issue where a hot garage reduced charge speeds. You mentioned cold but you did not mention effect of heat on charging speeds. Im thinking about hard wire install now to be more durable in extreme cold/heat.
I had the same issue this summer in TX. Called an electrician who checked with his boss and he got back to me and suggested that I bring the charger into the house to cool it, then take it back out to (hot) garage and charge car. It worked! Was getting 1mi/hr before cooling; up to 5mi/hr. after I cooled charger. Appreciated Tesla's message to me, "charging speed reduced due to high temperature. Call electrician" .
I got the Tesla home wall charger because the device and installation were free through my electric company.
What state are you in?
@@shawn1869 Yeah, I'm moving to your state !
Thank you for all the explanation. So what I understand isI should not get the wall connector. Instead get two mobile connector. I got confused what kind of electric installation should I get ?
It might be smarter to turn off the breaker before unplugging the mobile charger. This will avoid the 14-50 plug from having an electrical spark with the outlet, which could damage it.
It’s better to use a wall charger since you get faster charging. That’s my experience. Then you can save the mobile charger for trips, which you’ll unlikely to use anyways if you use the supercharger diligently. I always recharge at 50% +\- 10%. It’s about 4 hours charging with level 2 wall charging and 30 minutes at superchargers at 50% for Model 3 RWD.
So i should buy a house first before i buy a Tesla? 😭 i live in a duplex now so i know home charging is out if i wanted 14-50
We have a 240 Dryer outlet 10-30 on the opposite side of our garage. Electrician is going to take the wires and pull through the wall and install the 10-30 Dryer outlet in garage. He said about $250-$300. Going to use the Mobile connector from Tesla and will have to buy the adapter. Hopefully on a 30 amp breaker I can get 24v to charge car
When talking about the Tesla wall-mounted unit, keep in mind that most people have several tax credits available for this. I have a $500 tax credit from my state and another $500 from my local electric company. So even if the installation and material cost me $1,200, I’m only paying for $200.
You don’t know how taxes work lol. Now if it was a rebate than your’re only paying $200
@@772Cane my electricity company offers it as a rebate. Sorry my message was vague on that.
I’m going to do 200 miles a day. It’s the reason I’m buying a tesla
Wanting to get one myself for the wife to drive the kids around a town daily. Seems like the price for electricity compared to gas is a no brainer.
Hiyee! Update please. 😊You wrote this a year ago. How’d it go? With the 200 miles a day? And charging?
Wich charger is best for 2016 Tesla model S
I guess I was lucky, I was able to purchase the Tesla home charging station when it was $350.00. I was also lucky enough to have it hard wired to a 60 amp breaker for an additional $450.00 giving me more than adequate daily charging range.
Bonus points when I charge during the day and we have full sunlight on our solar panels.
Actually wrong
You dont get “bonus” points for charging during the day just because you have solar. Because the power “from your solar” used to charge your car, may or may not he coming from the solar. Even if you can power your entire home + charge EV during the daytime, the power needed to charge the EV is not going back to the grid for credits. Meaning, at some point your home will have to retake that lost kw hours (lost to the EV) from the grid, whether its to run your home or charge the car it doesnt matter. Unless you have a massive system that can eliminate your entire utility bill (a small percentage of solar) the. You will still draw from the grid, whether its to power your home or charge your EV doesnt matter.
Great video thank you!
So can I use the 14-50 for my model 3 base RWD?
should i unplug the wall outlet since the tesla green light is always on?
You deserved this follow
What’s the point of talking about investments when the video is about wall charging?
One difference between the mobile and wall chargers that he didn’t mention is the cable length. The mobile chargers are 20’ and the wall charger has a 24’ cable. In my case a new Tesla will need to live and charge outside for a while but I want the outlet or wall charger mounted in the garage. Based on where I normally park our car next to the garage there’s no way that a 20’ mobile charger will reach. Even the 24’ cable on the wall charger may not reach. So, the next option is to use an extension cable but those are nearly $300. I’m thinking that I may end up moving the car into the driveway in front of the garage to charge it. I don’t normally park on the sloped driveway because my Wife has mobility issues. The spot next to the garage is flat. Eventually I would park in the garage but that’s not happening until we have a garage sale… or two… or three.
You should be able to use an extension cord for an RV that is rated for 50 AMPS
Rebates - For me the wall charger is free with 75 towards installation
My wall connector install cost $255. $1000 install seems like a ripoff.
Yeah, how long driving that EV to save up that mũch money. Not talking about the initial cost of the tesla. I'd get the hybrid plug in. My M3SR+ has so much wind noise, cabin overheated. Only one good thing is power.
Just bought a home in California. After title 24, new homes here have to come with solar panels and a 240V outlet. How do I figure out the amperage?
You are correct about not plugging and unplugging the device. However, the industry is finding that the cheaper outlets themselves are not built for the continuous loads and a lot of melting. If you must have a plug-in, get the more expensive commercial grade outlet. As you mentioned that it needs to be installed with the possibility that someone later may plug in a dryer or range, it therefor needs the extra neutral. There is also the code upgrades and debates on needing a gfci breaker (which Tesla says not to use). I do EVSE installations and the outlet install will cost you more than hardwired and limits you to a lower output. Get it permitted and a hardwire install is the best bet.
A permit is required to install a wall charger? Where are you located?
@@CiscoAlva83 North Carolina. Most areas in the country require a permit and inspection for a wall charger or outlet.
A consideration... If you are running a wire through attic space, the wire used needs to be a bigger guage than normal to provide for the thermal demands of running the wire through a possibly hot attic.
Also, if your house only has 100 Amp service (older homes), hire an electrician. You will need a new electric meter install... a $2,000 plus job.
It will take long long time to save that 1000 bucks saving over fuel. EV is expensive. Not talking about 55-60k vehicle but the build is a camey or worser
@@tonymai1844 thats relative. If you are buying a tank a week switching to EV and charging at home at night…. Lots of savings there
I was quoted $3000-$12000. Got 6 quotes.
@@tonymai1844 I bought my Tesla Model Y Performance for the fun; faster (to 60) than a Challenger Hellcat Redeye, with almost no moving parts parts to break and no maintenence. Plus it corners like a go cart.
I am a truck driving and really want to buy a model y performance. My problem is is i would have to keep it plugged in all week till i get home on the weekend. I have a garage to keep it in but i dont feel like its smart to keep it plugged in all week till the weekend . What do you think?
I was thinking to just have it do the slow charging all week
splitter from the dryer outlet + extension cord
Is that safe?
I assume it is as long as you don't use the dryer while charging😂
What's so bad is on the 14-50 plug from tesla it says 30 amps. If it says max 32 amps it will go on a 40amp breaker but the wire will be 6-2 wire
Does the faster charging increase your utility bill? does it cost more?? Or is the same rate as the basics charge????
Great job
I have a welder outlet in my garage (NEMA 6-50r) on a 50 amp breaker. Can this be used with the 6-50 plug adapter?
I bought a Lectron Level 1/2 mobile connector. I charge off 120 16A, since I work at home it works just fine for me.
…Assuming you have 20A breaker and 20A outlets?
Going to try to make due for a few weeks with the portable charger on a standard 15 amp plug, at least until we've agreed where the Model Y will be situated in the driveway when being charged. Once we know where to put it, we'll get a NEMA 14-50 installed, though since it will likely be on the opposite corner of the house from the breaker box it may cost an extra Benjamin or two to install this "cheaper" option. Thanks for publishing this vid.
I paid $180 in california $60 parts and 120 labor for 14/50 outlet
The wall connector can be the best case for many that don’t have a full garage as it is the only form of charging that is water proof 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Cant you just use the outlet from your Dryer, if you have one of them
I still got the mobile connector with model 3 rwd delivered March 2023 in France
That's all you will need since the LFP rwd model 3 onboard charger maxes out at 32A, that is what the Mobil Connector maxes out at also.
If you are going to charge your EV inside your garage, then install a smoke alarm over your car that is interconnected to the other smoke alarms in your house. That way, when the battery goes into thermal runaway whilst charging - and don't delude yourself that "that will never happen to me" - at least you will be woken up so you dont burn to death in your sleep. And it happens to LFP batteries, too.
One of the best videos I’ve seen on this topic! Thanks for sharing 👍
I’m a new Tesla, model Y owner I have a few questions about charging my vehicle I do have an 14-50 power outlet but my vehicle did not and kind of charger or adapter so if someone can help answering my question for what I need to use to charge it I really appreciate it thanks everyone 😊
Thanks!
I already have a Chargepoint Home Flex charger. It is on a 50 amp breaker so it can deliver up to 40 amps. The Tesla Model 3 LFP can only accept/pull 32 amps, so if the charger is set up to deliver 40 amps, will that be OK because the car will only accept 32 amps?
And now he's saving me money 😂 I love this channel 🧡🤣 buys 60amps utalizes 30amps justifies purchase with two words "Cyber Truck"
I got a quote for $360 to install the wall connector right behind the electrical panel. I'm a little confused because the video says it should cost $1000 +. Can someone clarify for me?
while charging my tesla s 2020 if i walk away with the fob the charging stops after a while.??
what I was looking for. Employees at solar company and Tesla couldn't explain or answer simple questions.
I assumed mobile charger would be the better option. especially for standard.
in the case of long range. I'd prefer wall charger. the additional miles of long range do balance out its quicker acceleration, power of dual motor alongside AWD. going gentle on long range pedals could outperform standard. wall charger speed is adjustable. this would ease thoughts of battery degradation and the question of am i charging the EV in the best possible way. however, that'd defeat wall charger's purpose and "faster" charging would not be advantageous. wall charger's power of charging would allow the long range to be no stranger at Tesla superchargers who have immense electric output.
i see why mobile chargers are more than enough regardless. with the perk of saving money. making it more convenient option.
universal wall charger would add value to the home. i got quoted $600 for installation...
the only thing is if new wall charger gets released. i'd have the older version. new ev ports may release in the near future of evolving EV.
in conclusion,
standard with mobile charger is the best option for local. can leave the usual radius and sometimes even further. no problem.
if you know the Tesla will travel trips often. long range with wall charger.
long range with mobile connector would still work fine. same as standard with mobile charger. but, technically better for going on trips and to the mountains than standard.
there's model S from 2013-18 still holding up. model S is the sport design. double of the model 3. model Y interior is appealing but S outperforms. price among these models is another factor. personally wouldn't keep one certain Tesla for long as the technology is still vast and not guaranteed. and in that case. battery degradation wouldn't even matter. because you wouldn't own the car for much time. i still would consider and monitor to be safe than sorry. wouldn't want to pay more at end of lease.
maybe i wrote too much.
now, i don't have decision. but, standard with mobile charger. the price is best. fulfills all my needs.
yet again, long range is stronger and supposed to last longer.
Good video 🎉
I need a little more help explaining both mobile charges. I have the normal home charger and have not done any upgrades to my electrical outlets. I am left puzzled as to what to do now.
Depends on your driving demands. If you don’t drive that much you will be fine with the mobile one, if you live in cold climates you will want the extra boost. Also depends on what you want to spend and what you already have available.
If you're thinking about getting a base Model Y, does nothing over 32 amps charging still apply?
@jremiahJones you mentioned that the 14-50 corded mobile connector should not be unplugged from the wall...is that the same scenario with the "new" mobile connector that has the different attachments as well?
I have a 6-50 outlet on the side of my house, but it's fairly old. Is there a way to restrict the charge rate of the Level-2 charger to avoid pulling max amps?
The lowest amp setting on the charging page on the car's screen is 5 amps in one amp increments.
Is it safe to leave the mobile connector plugged in even if you’re not charging the car?
A plugged up Tesla is a happy Tesla.
Also not an electrician but adding a obligatory "don't simply swap out a 5-15 plug for a 5-20 plug unless you are absolutely sure the wires behind the wall are rated for 20AMPS as well." Really don't swap out any plug for another similar plug unless you know all the wires in the circuit can handle the amperage of the new plug.
Thanks for posting this. Is your breaker a GFCI? The current code appears to require any receptacles in the garage to be installed on a GFCI breaker.
GFCI is in the Tesla wall charger. Tesla manual says not to use one.
@@dan5554 Tesla might say that, but the building codes still require it 🤷♂️
What is the max amps a 2023 MYSR can draw?
How do I get more than 40amp
One thing that really bugs me is the use of 14 series plugs for EV charging, because a 6 series plug will perform exactly the same and be a cheaper install since you don’t have the neutral wire to install. IMO, if you drive
With the wall connector is it better for the battery and overall health of the car to charge at a lower amperage?
yes
All very helpful content like always. Thank you. I think I just might go the 14-50 route 💪🏼
Wouldn’t it be ok to charge a base model 3 on a 50 amp plug since the Tesla mobile charger is 32 amp which is equal to the base 3?
All the 2023 model 3s are rear wheel drive so is it still the same on nothing over 32 amps?
You can get a 30% federal tax credit for buying Tesla wall connector under IRA provisions
Ha, ha...IRS! Thank you! I will be sure to bring this up to my tax preparer.
Why shouldn't I continuously unplug my mobile connector? I live in an apartment complex and all the Tesla vehicles use mobile connectors and always unplug them from the outlet when they're not using them.
10:54 Tesla no longer sells the Corded Mobile Connector? What are people doing now?
Is J1772 Wall Connector a good option for Model Y LR AWD?
Now you tell me about the wall connector😂😂
One major drawback of charging an EV with a 120v outlet stems from the intricacies of the US electrical system. Despite using 120 volts for charging, the billing system may account for a higher voltage, such as 220 volts. Normally, this discrepancy might not be a significant concern as the electrical load is generally balanced across outlets in a household. However, excessive energy consumption on one pole might result in higher costs, with the user inadvertently paying for 220 volts when only charging their EV with 110 volts. Charging with 220 uses both poles and you pay for exactly what you use.
I want a 14-50 installed. What do I tell an electrician so I don’t get ripped off?
what's the rainbow colors in the video at 2:47 in the video?
It's the update under jukebox
He’s using self driving mode so you know the car driving itself and gotta keep your eyes o the road now
Well… I have the M3 base. And I just bought the Tesla wall connector. Electrician will install next week. Isn’t there a toggle switch inside the wall connector to change it to 30 amps? Is it for sure the base cannot use 60amp circuit breaker, 48amp max output? Thanks…..
When you set up your Wall Connector using the QR code to put it on your Wi-Fi the same page has options for setting the max amp.
Base has a 32amp onboard charger for AC charging. So your wall connector isn’t really doing anything except looking good. However if you upgrade or buy a 2nd tesla, then you’re future proofed.
I also have a base Model 3 RWD and Wall charger that gets installed soon. I chose this evse because I wanted the Tesla button on the handle and because I wanted to be able to link them to multiple units in the future. I also don't really like the Nema plugs and prefer hardwiring anyway. I had been incorrectly told that this car could charge at 9.6 kW but obviously that is false. 7.7kW is the max. But I'm also using this charger with an adapter to charge a Kia EV6 and it can pull 11kW.