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There are a lot of misconceptions when it comes to the Best Way to Charge your Tesla in order to Improve/Maintain Battery Health. So in this video I will be covering all the Battery Degradation Tips I personally apply to Charging my Tesla that helps Increase Range.
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I only supercharge mine, since It's not possible for me to charge at home. I'm from Denmark so the price for gas is at 8$ pr gallon, where I pay 0.29$ pr KWh. A gallon of fuel would get me about 42 miles, where I will get 110-120 miles in my Tesla for the same price. So for me It's worth it. In the longrun I hope also
Yeah, his suggestions apply to people who own a home -- which means this is a personal/bias review. For us apartment owners, we'll make due.
Here in California… I use superchargers primarily. It’s way cheaper than gas still, at least here! I know other states it levels off. I usually spend $15-30 a week, depending on what times I go. I like going late for the cheap $3-$5 charges. Beats my old Honda Civic where I was paying $70 a week for gas. However, yes, I’m interested in seeing if my Model 3 will survive the long haul as I am planning on keeping it for years! Hey, I don’t mind being asked in a few years if my battery dies out of warranty… lol wish me luck!
If you are a single dude yes you can go out on weird hours and sit there. For those who have family and children may not be ideal……just saying. I will never buy an EV wo home charging or at work. My work offers free charging and it is always full, guys gets in real early to take spots. After 9am, forget about it.
In LA and I use superchargers as well. Actually love the experience of going to different supercharger locations. When I’m only going to work through the week, charging once last about 8 days. Before when I was driving a Nissan Altima I was filling up every four days, paying about 60 dollars each time. I’m saving a ton of money now as I rarely pay over $21 to charge anywhere from 80 to 90 percent. Supercharging is not the same as paying for gas unless you driving hundreds of miles every day, driving fast and using heater/aircon
Supercharge is extremely hard on the batter fyi once a month ok, but if you want longevity for your battery it is NOT using a DC level 3. ie supercharge.
Thanks, lots of helpful info.
I have a LRMY and I drive 40k miles annually for work. My drives are mostly predictable, so it makes it easy for me to charge to 50% soc and leave the car plugged in at that soc over night. It charges to 70%-80% in the morning right before I leave. I rarely ever use superchargers and I use public free chargers while working as well.
Great video. I installed a Nema 6-20. IMO this a great balance of charging rate and cost. It charges my M3 at 16 miles of range per hour which is plenty for my 40-50 miles of daily driving. Agree 100% with if you can’t charge at home don’t buy an EV
if someone has solar panels, is that an efficient way to charge the battery?
I started with a Bolt (which I really liked) but upgraded to the MYLR for the range and yes, the charging network. I do have a hard wired Emporia Level 2 charger. Living in Las Cruces NM, during the summer the overnight garage temps can easily be in the upper 90s. The Bolt really cranked up the batter cooling system and the overhead was pretty high. For that reason I dialed down my charger to 24A. With the Tesla I still normally use 24A. That meets my needs to start a charge at 12:15 am from as low as 20% up to 80% before I need to drive it.
So, with that long prolog in mind, is there any advantage (from a battery life perspective) to charge at a higher amperage?
Great info. Did not realize it is OK to leave plugged in when at 80% and not using. thanks.
You're the first tesla reviewer to mention supercharging is close to or equal to gas prices! I've had that argument with people and they keep telling me I'm wrong. Thank you for including this tidbit!
Here in NJ the state would not approve the Tesla charger for incentives and so I ended up with a ChargePoint which works fine. I got the $750 electricians bill paid. I charge my "3" from my "3" to 40% from my house power and then up to 80% with solar if the sunlight is a available. This gives me the most free miles. On a cloudy day I charge to 60%.......my car is only 4 months old and so I`ll wait till November and check the battery degradation then. Thank you for excellent advice!
I just bought a 2019 model 3 LR with about 41,000 miles. The vin code has a e in the battery identifier so I think it is lithium only? Should I aim for the 50% with charging stopping at 60% ?
I use a level 2 supercharger for most major charges. U til I can get the level two setup at home I only have and use the level 1.
I do 100% fast chargings on my tesla model 3 2023 and i have a non LFP battery. I have 16k miles so far. Lets see how will it hold up in long term. I dont go under 18% and charge upto 80%.
What was that diagnostic app you showed on the screen?
Tesla Service mode
You go into your car's settings > software > tap and hold on your car's model logo > type "service"
Can you make a video of the Tesla dog behind you? I would love a video because I'm not sure if its worth buying
The Absolute SOC was very helpful. I always thought ending the day around 50% was the best for my battery but now I know I know to end my day around 20%. NOt that it's going to have a huge impact on my battery health but at least I know it's not bad to end the day around 20%.
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Great Video Jeremiah, what’s your recommendation for charging if I don’t have an LFP battery? I drive a lot daily like 300 miles or more.. I can charge at home and trying to avoid supercharging as much as possible
It’s best to charge prior to you leaving your home. So rather than starting say at midnight and you leave by 8am, I would have it start at 4am if that’ll change you up to 90% prior to you leaving. This way, you don’t have the car sitting at a high SoC.
If you drive daily for 300, I’d keep it between 80-95% by the time you depart.
Just get a Prius
300+ is to much to do without supercharging. Realistically we get about 280ish miles for a 100% charge. Prehaps you have chargers near your work? Unless your doing uber/doordash
Unfortunately cant keep mine plugged in throughout the week. I only have a garage spot on weekends :((
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Had my Model 3 for about 2 months now and charge at home. I have it set to 80% and I’ve noticed some days it will charge to that limit but sometimes it charges to 83%. Is that normal?
Jeremiah, I have been juggling between buying a used Model Y and a used Model S. What are your thoughts about these options?
I have both.. it depends what model S you're looking at and price range. If money no object model S 100D 2017 or newer all the way, but if you're looking for something sub 35k, there's some really nice used model Y long range out there.
@@jeffreymagni1272 I’ve been watching Cars&Bids for a couple of months. It seemed like there were a lot of the Model S’s out there in the past, but not so many now. Also, most were in California, so either a long drive or a couple thousand dollars to ship to Southeast Michigan.
In LA gas is about $80 for a full tank, charging is $10-$30, not as good as home charging but still worth it
How fast do you get charged up?
@@schm14715-30 min
I own a Tesla model 3 performance, 2023, and only drive it once a week. And I only charge it once a week. I stay within Tesla's parameters. No lower than 20% and no higher than 80 percent. I keep the battery between 40 percent and 80 percent all the time. I do not use superchargers, only level 2. I have not noticed any degradation. For example I travel 30 mi one way and I use roughly 10% of my battery. That has been consistent for the last year. It's never changed! I'm not putting down supercharging but I don't do it and I think it it does help keep the battery healthy.
So when charging at home what amps are you using with the level 2 tesla charger?
Im charging at 48 amps on a 60 amp breaker
@@dieniewienie143 so it's not better for the battery to charge at lower amps ?
@@gregpelfrey5303 For level 2 charging? Nope.. The cost of charging at lower amperage would outweigh any benefit.
(Aug 28, 2023) A new report from Recurrent, which has access to data from over 12,500 Tesla vehicles in the US through its software service, now shows clearly that there’s little to no difference in battery degradation between frequent fast charging and rare fast charging:
It all comes down to battery temperature regulation and throttling down the charge rate when close to full. Modern EV's are much better at these things than early Prius days. Tesla's software is very good at optimization of battery conditions, at all times!
Yep, turns out Tesla's software is quite good at keeping them batteries pretty happy.
I wish I could follow your tips, but I get free supercharging so when I have to choose between free charging or at home charging, nearly 100% of the time it’s been supercharging. Great tips though!
How is it free?
Say you’re going on a vacation for a couple of weeks and can’t keep it plugged in, how bad is that for the battery, and, what level of charge should it be left at?
Driving the car to below 50% and leaving it plugged in with a charge limit of 50% would be easiest on the battery for storage.
@@floodtheinbox but, I don't have a plug available. I can't leave it plugged in. Thanks, though.
@@rollaroundtheworld oh sorry, I didn’t read. It’s not gonna be terrible for the battery I wouldn’t worry too much about out. Turn off cabin heat protection and sentry mode, charge it to 50-60 and while you’re gone try as little as possible to open the app up and check on the car and the battery won’t lose very much charge at all. Some people say account for 1% loss per day and that’s definitely an over estimation but charge enough to leave you with enough to get to a charger after losing that many percent when you get back and it won’t hurt it at all cheers
I charge my Tesla at a supercharging station omw to work once a week up to 90% I work 6 days a week for almost a year now. But I haven’t check the degradation yet.
I pick up my Tesla Model 3 Performance this Friday. I live in an apartment. It won't be plugged in when parked in my driveway. I'll deal with it.
AGREE: EVs are for those who can accommodate home or at work charging, and, ideally, while protected from rain & cold. Not being able to charge at a naturally convenient location creates stress, hassle, and expense.
Been fine for me
@@deegSZ What is your routine charging solution?
Facts, if you don't have home charging, it's just sub par and more of a hassle. People arguing against, don't know because the never had or are just in denial. They always make some sort of coping excuse as to why it's "ok or better" to spend more time at a public charger as to having that time back.
EVs are for whoever wants to buy one. One of my friends lives in an apartment but works at Ford and charges his Tesla at work everyday. There isn’t one way to own. And I’m sure Tesla wants everyone to buy.
So do you fill up your ICE car at home too?
I would love to charge at home, but until I can afford the electricians bill to install electricity and the charger in my garage, it’s still 50% cheaper to supercharge when I need too VS my previous 22’ ICE.
I don't have a home charger only go to tesla supercharger and it's still 60 bucks a week or 3 fill ups which would be 180 in my bmw so I'm greatful
The charging recommendation and lack of information from Tesla on battery damage when exceeding the recommendation is why I chose to not buy a Tesla to replace my older EV. I am sticking with my old one for short drives and went back to a fun dinosaur burner for the longer drives. The LFP battery was not available in the Y and the 3 with the LFP did not qualify for the tax credits so not worth it. Tesla says to keep the charge 30-80% to avoid damaging the battery. That is only 50% battery / range availability. For a 285mi range performance Y it is only 142.5 mi usable range. If you use heat or AC that will drop maybe 10-15mi and if you drive in a hilly area, accelerate quickly, or go faster than the speed used to determine the range estimates you will use another 10-15mi. So now you are down to 112.5 mi usable range before needing to charge or risk battery damage. Most of the time this is more than adequate, but if you need to go a greater distance or you get stuck in some type of traffic mess you will have to charge. Tesla does not share the same info you did about it's okay to charge to 100% and drain to 5% as long as you do not leave it there for long durations of time. The sales person did not know how to answer my questions regarding this or my statement of it is really just a short range EV. There was not enough information to know how much damage this causes so I could not make an informed decision. I did not think that expense for a car that has a short usable range was worth it.
Charging above 80 or draining below 20 won't damage the battery, it's simply a recommended best practice to not leave the vehicle sit at those states of charge for an extended period of time to avoid accelerated degradation. This isn't true for just Tesla vehicles, this is a fact of lithium-based batteries in anything: cars, phones, power tools, game console controllers, etc. The advice in this video is great for someone who can charge at home and plans to keep the vehicle for the long term, maybe 7 years or more, which is still within the battery warranty by 3 years. Planning on owning one of these cars for less than that and selling it afterwards, this becomes nearly a non-issue, and the vehicle can be charged to the owner's heart's content without worry about the lifespan of the battery. Me personally, I'm keeping my car until it becomes financially non-viable to repair if it craps the bed, so I pay a lot of mind to my charging habits. It requires a bit more forward planning than driving an ICE car, but quickly settles into a rhythm which is easy to manage. For instance, my commute is 75 miles round-trip every day. I keep my car at 65% charge limit, and this gets me back home with between 35-40% depending on weather conditions. This is enough to make some side trips to grocery stores or to get food on my way home, and I never have to pay any mind to range, and it's in a pretty happy window as far as battery longevity is concerned. Every few weekends, I drive about 4 hours to see family, and I charge to 100% and play a game with myself to see if I can make it on one charge, knowing I have a supercharger both at the destination and about 20 miles back as a fail-safe. The night before, I just set my limit to 100% and in the morning I have a full tank. There's a lot of battery hocus-pocus out there and I did a lot of digging and researching before buying my car to make sure it would fit my use case and so far it's been a great little daily. cheers 🍻
@@floodtheinbox Thank you for the very indepth reply. I find it interesting the Tesla sales rep had no intelligent reply like yours when I shared I can't justify buying the new Y with that range limitation and battery degradation risks. If he had, I might be driving the new Y. Either he does not know this or has not been trained. I will keep my 5 yo Leaf for a commuter and burn dinosaurs for the longer trips. Even though I paid more for the new dinosaur burner it is better looking, slightly faster than the Y performance, and much more fun to drive.
1:30 ..... well shit. i just bought the 2024 model 3 (like took delivery not even a week ago). but i live in an apartment so i wont be able to always be plugged in. did i screw myself over?
Yes you have, not having a L2 at home. If you don’t have free charging at work, you are double screwed. Relaying on Supercharger only is gonna cost you money and worst of all, time.
@@jml9550 id love to hear your thoughts.
my work will probably be my primary charging place which is a chargepoint charger (and free). i think those are slow ones equivalent to at home charging right? I saw a lot (like over 15) EVs (10 are teslas) at my apartment garages so i figured if its working for them, it should be fine.
I also plan to visit my parents every week or so and charge at their place. they dont have a wall charger but i can use the mobile charger i guess
There is a super charger spot not even half a mile from me, but i doubt id use it often. maybe if im near 20% and need a charge fast?
plus, at work, on some days i get in around 730 and teh parking lot is empty. its fairly empty friday afternoons as well. So I plan to charge during those times
@@pvic6959 most apartments charger at level 2s. So if you get those spots you will be fine. Plus your work offers free charging which sounds like will be your primary source. Mobile charging only gives you 5-6 miles per hours, it is better than nothing, but i wouldn’t count on it. Supercharging will be my last resort, doing it often cost fast battery degradation and money, My last thought, it sounds like you are younger and single. If so you have a lot of time flexibility which is good. Best of luck and enjoy the Tesla.x
@@jml9550 my apartment also has free ChargePoint chargers. but not many. With there being 10+ EVs, they are always in use. So I would have to get lucky. maybe late night? idk
For the mobile charger, I could do that if I stay the night at my parents, which i do often (well.. that was before I had a car haha). So if its over night, I can do 10+ hour charges
I agree super charging will be my last resort as well
I think my best bet will be 2 times a week when i get to work at around 730am. I can charge at that time I think
I am single for now, but 27 so idk if "young" still counts haha.
Thank you!
I have a Tesla model 3 performance, 2023. I drive it once a week and charge it once a week. I stay within the charging perimeters recommended by Tesla. Don't let it drop under 20% and no higher than 80%. So after a full year, I've noticed no degradation. For example, I drive one way 30 MI, I use 10% of the battery. That has always stayed consistent! I will note that I do not use superchargers. Always level two. As a norm I always keep it between 40 and 80 percent. Don't sweat it!
RIGHT!!!! Why would you get an EV when you don’t have a charging at home or a place to charge it?
I see a lot of people who bought an EV who doesn’t have a home charger. Reason being, they live at an apartment or they simply don’t have a charger.
At my local Walmart they have a charging station. I think it has 5 or 6 stations & it’s always full of EV. The funny part is that there’s always someone in the car. They’re simply charging it up & not shopping. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with that, but that would be such a headache always going to a charging station to “filler up”. Not only that, hoping that nobody is there occupying it. And if your car is super low, then you know it’s going to be charging for a long time.
Definitely, something to consider before purchasing an EV.
As a brand new Tesla owner I’m a bit shocked, I went from a 2019 wrx to a long range model y but the battery experience is a bit lackluster, I feel like I charge every 2 days and i need to get a wall mounted charger asap because I get 1kwh at home🤣 but it also kills my battery that I drive uphill to go home and waste like 10-15% a day from what it feels like😭
Yep, Tesla stated range is grossly overrated.. take 30% off and you will be happy. Using a lot of heat in winter and AC in summer lessen the range even further.
@@jml9550i thought gas cars also looses range on uphills.
@@Tech4geeks21st sure it uses more gas. I ain’t no MIT physicist, EV use the same energy going uphill and downhill?
If you drive uphill to go home then that means you're going downhill when leaving home, which would recharge your battery a bit, no?
@@schm147 no all that energy is transferred into the brakes
The thing I've been struggling to reconcile is the notion that "Always be charging" seems to conflict with the ability to schedule a charging session.
Keep you car charged over 55% most of the time increases “calendar aging.” 40-60% is not the sweet spot. 30% to 50% is the most ideal state of charge range to keep your battery at most of the time.
These people charging their LFP‘s to 100% every day, and very frequently on superchargers is going to degrade them faster. They are still lithium based batteries. They just have less voltage spike than magnesium cadmium batteries do at higher state of charge. Charging your LFP battery to 100% a couple of times a week is plenty to help. Keep the battery management system calibrated. Plus, at 100% state of charge you’re not getting full region when you’re breaking. It’s more comfortable to stop at 95% for that reason.
TIP: If you charge at home and need 100% charge for the next day, adjust the amps (charge rate) to where the estimated time of full charge lines up with when you depart the next day. This way it won't sit at 100% for too long before driving.
Research has shown that level one charging is actually slightly worse for your battery than level two charging.
9:50-Cars going backwards.... Love the editing! Okay, moving on.....................
Everything was perfect until you put your hand over the camera at at the end lol
yup. i have my car charging, or just always plugged in. it always keeps the battery warm
charge mine to 100 every day and it hasnt degraded much more than 6 miles in 2 years now
How much did it effect your electricity bill?
I am so with you on that, I would never recommend an EV for someone that lives in an apartment and always has to fast charge. I will certainly add that to my comments whenever I sell my Tesla….”home charged” 99% of the time. 👌🏼
I made this as its own comment but its relevant here too: well shit. i just bought the 2024 model 3 (like took delivery not even a week ago). but i live in an apartment so i wont be able to always be plugged in. did i screw myself over?
@@pvic6959 not exactly unless your daily drive is 100+ miles. I wouldn’t buy a used Tesla from someone that didn’t charge at home and constantly had to use a supercharger 2 to 4 times a week as an only charge. Nor would I want that for my Tesla if I plan on keep it over 100k miles.
@@robertquinonez_ i do plan to keep it long term. my work will probably be my primary charging place which is a chargepoint charger (and free). i think those are slow ones equivalent to at home charging right? I saw a lot (like over 15) EVs (10 are teslas) at my apartment garages so i figured if its working for them, it should be fine.
I also plan to visit my parents every week or so and charge at their place. they dont have a wall charger but i can use the mobile charger i guess
my daily will be under 25mi, under 10 even most days.
@@pvic6959 yea your good. That’s nice you can charge at work, especially it being free. 👌🏼
@@robertquinonez_ thank you!
You will own BEVs from now on. Just go with the Tesla Wall Connector and be done with it. Won't save money with those other options. The need for mobile EVSE is less and less ....
So I just bought my Tesla and it has 10k free supercharger miles… i guess it is not good to use the superchargers due to degradation :/
It turns out that it's a bit of a myth that Superchargers degrade your batteries. If you have LFP, just charge to the top once you get down to 20% or 30% then up to 100% and you're good. If you have NMC, then just charge regularly to about 75% or 80%. Remember that up high, the charge rate slows anyway, and a lot of the new data shows no real increase in degradation with Supercharging as long as you don't go nuts to 100% all the time. If you do have LFP, once a month or so, let it dip below 10% and leave it there an hour or so, then to 100% That will help the BMS calibrate. And just FYI, I've owned both an NMC and an LFP Tesla.
@@Techridr oh sweet, well based on my commute I usually don’t charge over 65% daily and when I get home I’m at about 40% on NMC batteries. Thanks for the insight
Just plug it in all the time literally that’s it
Do NOT buy a EV if you cannot charge at HOME.
Nonsense. When I got my first Tesla, I didn't have home charging. I only Supercharged once a week and got free juice when at Target and Trader Joes and sometimes the malls. I have home charging now and it's much better, but not everyone travels a lot of miles, so not everyone needs a home charger. Also, many might have charging at work, so there's that.
In the SF Bay Area, Superchargers are cheaper than most home $/kWh. That’s ridiculously higher than other regions, but it’s still about half of what I’d pay for gas.
@@ResetPhil Yeah I saw the prices in San Jose and they're high. Actually a bit lower in SF, but that's a bit expected in those areas. Here in So Cal I'm at about .26c at home. 10 years ago it was about .17c. It's hard to swallow when some parts of the country you can pay like .14c still. Good thing solar is also getting cheaper as years go on
If you see the 300ish miles of range on a Tesla and assume that you can get away with charging once a week then a Tesla is not for you. Lots of the charge will go to preheating the interior and battery not to mention the quoted range numbers are in unrealistically ideal scenarios. I drive my model Y about 50 miles a day which uses anywhere from 20 to 30% of the charge. Jeremiah is right in that you do need to be able to charge at night. That being said I’m able to do it with a standard wall outlet. Wish I could use a dryer outlet, but I would have to use an extension cord from my dryer which sounds like a fire waiting to happen lol
I think im give up my Tesla
first
Always plugged in like a kettle will run your bill up
Not true
@@markcain5168 why not? Phantom drain is a thing. You loess 7mikes every 2 or 3 days just standing still, and more if it’s a hot or cold day.
The amount added to your electricity bill depending on your rates and time you plug in should be still way better than filling a gas tank at current gas prices. My car is always plugged in from when I get home from work till I have to leave in the morning, payed $600 annually for the 4-5 years of driving and that would be under $600 if you remove the supercharger stops, which by themselves would probably knock off about $60-$80 off the $600. My other vehicle which is gas cost me close to $3000 annually to fuel up.
Wrong. Think of your toilet. It's always connected to a water supply. It only takes in water when needed. Just like your EV. It only takes what is needed.
Looking for some real data on this...
@CJON32S
DRIVE HARD AND RECHARGE. 2022 MYP
even tho I don't have the telsa charger at home to charge so I always super charge. where you say you should leave the car always plugged in when not using should I still keep it plugged in if I am just using a normal wall outlet? or will the wall outlet not help or hurt