The ending scene with Maggie and Daryl made it set up as if there was going to be a civil war between the communities but then it end up being just Maggie and Daryl arguing with Michonne and Rick for like 5 minutes lol
I agree I always thought an actual civil war storyline would've been really cool but I wouldn't want rick and daryls relationship to decay too much because of course I love them as brothers. But yea I agree that was a potential storyline that would've and could've been super interesting, but they would have to be very careful to not ruin everyone's friendships too much.
I feel like had there been a civil war it would have been Alexandria and the Kingdom on the side of the war is over and we've lost enough its time to rebuild while the Hilltop and Oceanside believing that the Saviors punishment wasn't hard enough
That was likely something Scott Gimple set up but Angela Kang seemingly abandoned that since she likely assumed people would just end up hating Maggie and Daryl and seeing how bad Gimple's writing was getting I heavily doubt his civil war would've been any good
i thought it was a missed opportunity. It would make things more interesting. They can have the civil storyline for at least one season and then reconcile so fans can still love daryl and maggie. Fan of daryl and wouldve supported a civil war story.
I think Rick sitting under a tree in an empty field FINALLY taking a moment to fully grasp everything that happened then just letting it all out, mixed with the music in the background was PERFECT
I just wanna give props to you being able to show enough of the show without getting hit by the TH-cam ban hammer. It really helps illustrate your point and helps convey the emotional weight of the show.
I always find it kinda funny how in the walking world the whole savior arc lasted about a month but in real time it was over 2 years. A little too long.
It was 2 weeks actually and yeah it went on for another season because they wanted to do a whole "all out war" season instead of just having only half of it be in S7 and that's it. All out war was supposedly the biggest war too in the show so it makes sense the writers wanted a whole season of it
@TheRealRickGrimes In the comics, all-out war started after Negan killed Spencer, so S7 E8. So if they followed the comics 2nd half of S7 would have been All-out war.
Omg i always found like that. Carl letter, the peace after Negan and the End of the Rick and Carl Story really feels like a tragic happy end and it's kinda beutiful to imagine that after that everyone lived in peace like in Carls visions.
How did they fire all those gunshots in the final battle of this episode with the nearby herd of walkers completely unaware? I was hoping when I watched for the first time that the walkers might be the real final boss of the season, and the saviors would have no choice but to unite with Rick's group against a common enemy. Maybe could have worked better than the pitiful final boss Negan turned out to be.
@rayb.1180 the whisperers are the only reason I don't think the series should have ended with 'Wrath', they were a change up in villainy that arrived to the game too late.
The happiest ending IMO would have been the final scene of season 5, episode 11; where Rick hears the sounds of Alexandria (when he was expecting a silent trap), gets out of the car with Judith, and makes his first steps into the gates.
Ehhhh, I disagree. Rick didint go through his redemption yet, it end the series on him just transforming into a psycho fixxed on survival and doesnt show him reborn into a leader who can do more than just rip throats out. Wrath shows his turn around back to a leader and leaves it on a more promising clear future, itd definitley be the choice of the 2 if it were needed
I've always had this opinion, and I think this would've been what happened if it weren't for the fact they already had spinoffs like ftwd going that ran parallel to twd
@@NeverOhVeror, you know, Kirkman doesn’t holds a gun next to their heads and doesn’t force them to write any more episodes or seasons. Ideal show does not repeat the story that was already told, but changes it up a bit by showing “what if”, which TWD completely managed to do with some characters like Carol and couldn’t with some characters like Tyreese.
@@NeverOhVer killing the most important character in the comics in such a dumb way half way through season 8 was not "following the beats" of the comics.
@@houseking9211 He was FAR from the most important character. He wasn’t doing much and was just busy taking care of Sophia and moving to Hilltop. Killing Glenn off made Maggie’s character much more motivated and cool. Having her get with Dante later on was dumb though.
Yeah, killing Carl was the point of no return and axing Rick was the true end point. It was always the Grimes family story, Rick was who he was,did what he did, for carls sake, to build a better world for his children. A child Judith can’t carry that torch. They should’ve kept Carl and Rock around, Carl til the end and kill Rick in the whisperer war to being out carls full potential, or started the future storylines with an already aged up Judith like we see in the final season.
@@damiantirado9616I think Wrath should've been the ending. But, I agree with you No way out would be a good ending with Carl waking up looping back to when Rick did. Again, S5 finale would've been good to Rick and Morgan seeing each other full circling the beginning. Sorry giving my opinions 😅
@@justinpatton6996 wrath ending would be terrible because season 7 and 8 where terrible seasons. 6x09 would’ve been technically better cause it would’ve shown what the show was about which is Rick making a better future for his children. Carl is his main child not Judith. Killing Carl was the worst mistake the tv show made.
im not sure that it should've ended any earlier but if it did I think they should have ended it in 9x5 with Rick dying for real and maybe one more episode afterwards showing a successful new world where michonne Maggie and the kingdom stay together and build. It would be 6 episodes just like the first season.
Yeah when i realized that he wasnt in the show anymore after 9x5 i stopped watching. Only because they actedlike they were setting up this huge storyline with rick and the CRM but NOPE. Nothin. Shoulda just had him die and kept carl alive. Maggie Neagan Dwight and Daryl are good. Dont care about any of the other cringe characters.
@@cadeheinberg3047 they literally were... there is a spin-off series coming up with rick and michonne, also no disrespect and i do understand how you feel and all but when i see people say that they didn't even watch a tv show after the character they love is gone... it's such a stupid thing with all due respect, bro just keep watching.. and they if you dislike it that's fair
@wgnd1614 I get what you're saying, and for the most part I'd agree. Bailing on a story purely because a particular character dies is a bit silly. But when the main character's exit is handled so poorly, I think that's more than enough of a reason to give up on a show. I, personally, wasn't a huge fan of the direction they went but I still carried on watching because I thoroughly enjoyed Season 9. But I can understand why some would bail
The fact this was put into movie theaters along with the season 4 premiere of fear, this could have been a great series finale with a sightly altered script.
The comic ending was the perfect ending imo. Because of Carl's death however, that became impossible in the TV show. Wrath at least gives us closure and would have been a fitting end to the TV show. It would have been a better ending than the ending we actually got
It was a good ending but Id imagine AMC would be terrified of threats over killing Rick in a pretty nonchalant way. Tv fans are different than comic fans people wouldnt let Andy go out like that without uproar
Got to see this episode in theaters and it was an amazing experience, Everyone roared when the Savior's guns backfired. I say it would be a good finale letting Rick walk into the sunset without him dying. The Maggie Jesus and Daryl plotting scene was really the only thing that rubbed me the wrong way.
I love your content because I feel like we are on the same page in our love for season 6 and now this perfect idea that I’ve had the feeling of since it came out. As a comic reader I was ready for the time skip so I saw all the things happening in the end of the season that wraps up this entire era. Like Carl mirroring ricks first intro scene. Carol finding Henry in the same type of spot she lost Sophia in. It all led to wrath which totally felt like an end to the OG storyline of the first 8 seasons. Its the worst season of the show but damn I love the little things they do.
I definitely agree with you. The Whisperers and the Commonwealth helped enlarge the scope of the Walking Dead Universe even further. I'm really glad we got to see all of that. 🥰
Agreed, I love the Whisperer Arc. I thought the Commonwealth Arc was pretty good too but I wish all 24 episodes of season 11 were Commonwealth focused instead of wasting nine episodes on the Reapers
I've honestly thought about this for a while bit never realized anyone shared the view. I have sorta mixed feelings about it because if seasons 10 and 11 were done right they could've been alot better. But when we look at what we got, the season 8 finale honestly feels more conclusive, and natural. All you need to do is change a few things, and you could make it a great series finale. Also I get that alot of other people are comic enjoyers, I am aswell, as I've read all of them, but I have to say that thematically seasons 10 and 11 just feel a little too disconnected. Especially season 11.
I'm glad aswell I feel the same I've got a soft spot for everything up to season 9 but then 10 & 11 are way to long and disconnected I just rather stick with the comic
Can you please cover Walking Dead “Them” episode from season 5? I loved how it was the groups lowest point, Rick says his infamous speech and they are introduced to Aaron. One of my favorite episodes!
@@arct1c203 it's most definitely not, fear is utter garbage and the only good thing about it is that they actually showed the beginning of the outbreak, but the path they took was stupid and the characters were the worst in twd universe (it's hard to compete with lori but they still win)
I actually liked your idea about doing the spinoffs after this episode. I remember watching into Season 9, but I don't think I saw much after that. I don't use streaming services, so that wouldn't have changed things for me. Keeping it shorter and getting rid of the filler would likely have helped though.
I would argue that Rick's "death" should have been the series finale. We got to see familiar faces in the form of Shane, Hershel and Sasha, and we kept getting callbacks to Rick's iconic "I'm looking for my family" only for him to answer "I found them..." before sacrificing himself to save Hilltop from a walker herd. I can't think of any better way for this series to end. :')
It was the series finale for me. I thought the scene with Maggie and Daryl plotting was just a contrived way to keep conflict going. So from my POV, they defeated Negan and all lived happily ever after.
I must admit, I hated the show for killing carl. Then I hated rick for letting negan live . Then I understood Rick's idea: the worst punishment is that negan is in one cell and watching the world passing him by and his community is gone and his narcissism is dying . His death would end it . But this is the perfect ending for him. And I know they kept his character alive because andrew was leaving the show .
I agree. The walking dead was and is Rick Grimes. In season 8 he was the best he has ever been in terms of viewing the world through his and other's eyes. Carl's vision was great and he saw that. He wanted to make that a reality.
I feel like this would have been the perfect ending it brings everything full circle and plus The walking Dead would have a better legacy because six out of the First 8 seasons are genuinely peak TV
Personally I think ricks letter to carl closes a great character arc for rick and made rick as a whole feel like a stronger better character. Also this season you can clearly tell is meant to be streamed and binged within a week, the week to week episode release for this entire season was subpar but my friends that dropped the show at season 6 and went back to finish it after season 11 released on Netflix's said they didn't mind season 8 as much, but they all agreed the only good episode from season 7 was episode 1.
It's true that TWD dragged for way too long. I do like Season 9 however. Not in its entirety but I feel like The Whisperers were an essential part of the TWD Lore and they just had to have been included. I just think they could've shortened the entire story. I would've done 8 episodes for 1st Season and about 10 for 2nd. I would've shortened the whole Farm thing in second Season and prolonged that C.D.C. scene. It would've been cool if ending of Season 2 would've already include the Prison, but then again, The Prison location had to be built. So anyways - they could've easily done Seasons 3 and 4 in one Season with something like 16 episodes. Then Season 4 would've been the whole Season 5 and most of Season 6. I didn't mind dedicatiing Negan Wars 2 Seasons, but they could've been shorter, but then again, the whole Negan War could've been told in 1 Season with 16 or 18 or perhaps even 20 episodes. So then you'd had basically TWD whole 8 Seasons packed in 6 Seasons. Then The Whisperers would've been in Season 7 and once they were dealt with, that would've been the end of the show after 7 Seasons with Rick still in the Show. Perhaps then they could've done Spinoffs where Commonwealth would've been one of the spin offs. 11 Seasons was a drag. Also Seasons 10 and 11 were pretty bad to be honest. Specially how the Episodes were lined up. Sometimes you would not see part of the story for whole 6 episodes or something >_
I must say its good to see that many people feel the same way about the show but honestly what i would love to see is a animated comic adaptation I'd be well happy
I'm not even that upset with the idea that Maggie (Glenn's wife) and Daryl (the one who feels personally responsible for Glenn's death) would take issue with sparing Negan. It's 1. that they play it up as if it's gonna lead to some Avengers Civil War-esque clash and 2. that JESUS is there with the two of them FULLY on board. I get that Jesus feels a great deal of loyalty towards Maggie, but he also just spent basically all of Season 8 being the pacifist voice-of-reason to multiple different characters. So to have him do a 180 in the final 5 minutes of the season finale...thank god Angela Kang took over.
I have to disagree with wanting the final battle to be some huge, bombastic spectacle. What I really loved about TWD was the character work, I never saw it as some TV blockbuster and so the action scenes didn’t really mean anything to me. In this scene you have the Eugene twist, showing his character growth in being able to sacrifice his own personal safety and comfort in order to do what’s right and save the people he cares about, you have Negan’s fondness for Carl being the thing that finally causes his downfall, showing how Carl was right and he truly isn’t too far gone, and you have Rick regaining his humanity and choosing mercy over rage, allowing everyone to move on to finally create a better world. That all means so much more to me than watching some mooks machine-gunning each other for 30 minutes
If this was the ending they wouldn't have done the extra shit with Dwight n Morgan or anyone else cuz they wouldn't have purposefully planned to have them in FTWD I think thats the point were trying to make, if it was planned to be the series finale they would've changed some stuff n made the final battle much better. I think they should've planned to make this the ending but ending it there ruins their plans for FTWD n all the other spin-offs aka less money in their pockets. In theory yes they could still make the spinoffs but the hype would be less without the characters from TWD.
I tell anyone watching the series for the first time to stop at "Wrath". It is the true ending to The Walking Dead. Rick's story really ended here after he defeated he Saviors and ended the war.
This was the last episode of the walking dead I watched. The show felt repetitive. I've seen some stuff that happens after because it's hard not to with the internet but I'm not that fussed but I'm gonna wait until all of the walking dead and spin offs are finished then I'll binge watch the entire thing.
The show should have ended here, considering that Carl died, would have made sense for the show to end here. The last three seasons were just a waste in my opinion, more of a cash grab.
bro ive been saying this for so long, like the death of carl actually makes sense and is great storytelling if the show didn't continue after s8, not to mention "my mercy prevails over my wrath" is the highest character peak in fiction
If i had stopped watching on wrath that would have been a good conclusion for me. Sadly i grew up on this show so i slogged through the rest until it ended, but it's kinda paying off the spin-offs have been better than s11 but nothing groundbreaking yet. If the The Ones Who Live is mediocre that will probably be it for me, i've been waiting for rick for all these years if they don't do him justice and take him in a really good direction i can't watch it at that point that's my guy.
I'll never get all the hate twd gets or why season 8 it gets hate it's meant to be fun and suspenseful but people just shit on it especially this guys video I don't understand it at all.
I always thought there was a missed opportunity for a civil war between rick and michonne and daryl and maggie, tho i wouldnt want rick and daryls friendships to deteriorate so much that they could never be brothers again so idk how the show would get around rick and daryl actually trying to shoot eachother back to "your my brother, daryl". But it could be done, its just they couldnt kill too many of eachothers sides or eachother which then is it really a war? So i dont know but as far as wars go they did all the different types of wars except a civil war which i think couldve been super interesting. If done right of course.
It’s only 11 Seasons so it’s odd that anyone thinks that’s long. I didn’t like how it ended on a cliffhanger instead of having a twelve and final season.
My main issue with the Rick and Negan fight is Rick won by begging for time to "talk" to Negan then used that time to almost kill him. A very weak way for Rick to win the fight.
Thing is if the show ended with Negan, The Whisperers which I love in the Comics and consider to be the peak of them wouldn't be adapted. Saying the show should end here or there isn't a strong argument when there are things in both the source material and the adaptation that work, that are good, and that people do like.
I gotta disagree. I know alot of people think it shouldve ended here or when they got to alexandria but man season 8 is probably the weakest in the whole series, i really wouldnt have wanted the show to go out like that. I do think it shouldve been renamed after rick left tho. Has a whole different vibe
Season 8 was definitly the point of the walking dead where it marked the end of an era. It had some of the highest moments in all of the show, but it also had the lowest of lows even in the final episode. In my opinion though, this was my favorite season of TWD. The problem was this season could've ended in so many different ways I thought would've been better than what we got, but I appreciated it nonetheless because it felt like the most positive ending we've gotten in the whole show, I cried a bit. However, there was money to be made and they went off with it to the point where I just didn't care. I tried with season 9, but I dropped it cuz it literally felt dead to me. I respect some of the chances they took, but the disrespect the show had on the characters didn't feel right and really there was no point in continuing. I think they continued making the show despite the fans, but knew we were gonna be loyal and watch because we were fans. I'm always gonna be down to watch whatever's new from the show, I've accepted that. Now the show just went off on a tangent and it feels meaningless to me and it didn't really give us the high note it deserved to go off on in the last season, but that goes to show you when it's over, it's over. It should've ended at season 8.
You're so right, I'm a fan of the whole show but as far as action goes the prison arc was the most badass the show seemed to get, with the final battle between Rick and the governor
Hindsight being 20/20, this is how I would have structured the TWDU: Seasons 1-7: Trim the filler and end season 7 with Rick blowing up the bridge and going missing. And Carl doesn’t die. After that, TWD classic is considered over. Concurrently, FTWD would also air seven seasons about Madison Clark’s slow descent into villainy. The first spin-off after TWD classic could be about Daryl searching for Rick and ending up in France, effectively the same show but earlier in the timeline. Along with this, a Morgan spin-off that is SEPARATE from FTWD. These could run up until covid hit. The finale of the Daryl show would be about him actually successfully rescuing Rick and bringing him back home for the final spin-off: “The Walking Dead: The Next Generation.” This final show would run three seasons, star Rick AND Carl and whoever else felt like coming back, and be about the Whisperer and Commonwealth storylines, concluding where the comics do. Only thing left after that I guess is Dead City and any other new ideas they’ve got.
The piracy site I used to watch the walking dead had literally every episode of the show EXCEPT for wrath, so I was really confused when I started season 9
I honestly would’ve been ok with the walking dead going 11 seasons if Carl was alive and Rick still left the show but they killed Carl before Rick even left then Rick left the show in season 9 and it just felt like a spin off at that point the show shoudlve ended with carl and rick being gone the show was about rick and his journey to make sure his kids survive which starts with carl (and he knows Judith isn’t his actual kid) so if carl had to be killed off the show shoudlve ended after that because now the big premise and overall plot of the show is done rick didn’t have carl to protect anymore so ending it with peace and letting negan live would’ve been a much better ending
I think season 9 episode 5 wouldve been the perfect series finale. Hear me out. 9x5 would end as it did. the flashforward would be different though. Yes judith would save the new group. But then alongside this group we'd get a 15 minute look at the new world post Rock Grimes. And teasing the sequel show/spinoff. Rick would be taken by helicopter like in the original but like i said, there would be a sequel show/spinoff. Maybe something like The Walking Dead: Communities or something like that. It would've covered all the content from 9x6 (as a series premiere)- 11x24. Basically a 3 season sequel series. This would allow for OG The Walking dead show to stay as a Rick Grimes story and for the content that came after to be its own show without Rick. It doesn't change the story at all but it does make sure that Rick's story pre CRM arc has ended. And of course we would still see him again in the series finale of The Walking Dead: Communities just like wevdid originally and for The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live to continue where 9x5 left off.
For the most part in my opinion, season 9, 10 and 11 were the worst of the series anyway…so if it ended there, I wouldn’t be mad. Sure there were a couple cool things, but after season 8 it’s a completely different show. And it’s so obvious.
The relationship between Rick and CORAL is one that is so precious to so many of us. CORAL was that kid we watched grow up (or like you, Thrifty, grew up with), and whilst CORAL could sometimes be insufferable, he was still the future. He and Rick were the soul of this show. Even rewatching the clips in this, I teared up several times. Andrew Lincoln can act his bow-legged ass off! He deserved at least one Emmy award. I understand he was against other, stronger shows with actors who had more “seriously dramatic” material (Cranston in Breaking Bad, Jon Hamm from Mad Men, and in the first few years, even Michael C. Hall from Dexter. That’s stiff competition but Andy deserved to win at least once).
Covid and streaming hit the TWD hard. Season 9 was a step in the right direction after season 7 and 8. Season 10 seemed like the season that would never end. Any momentum they might have had was killed having to wait til the folowing october for the finale and those 6 covid episodes were brutal with the exception of Heres Negan. Unfortunately for season 11 the 4 main characters involved in the commonwealth story line, Rick, Carl, Michonne and Dwight were all gone. It was a death by a million cuts for TWD.
Honestly i dont care, it shouldn't've ended here, great video as usual but im mainly disagreeing with the argument for it ending here, nothing against you. There is just too much to enjoy from season 9, 10, 11 and daryl dixon (supposedly i haven't seen it yet) i really dont know how you could argue you wish you had less good walking dead content.
I used to love the first several seasons ... back when it was about humans vs zombies. Once zombies became just a minor back story, I lost interest. When Nega came on scene and brutally showed Lucile, I stopped watching. I wanted to see a man vs zombie series, I have little interest in what became a man vs man series. It's an unpopular stance, but hey, I've never been a conformist. Once these "non-magical zombies" reached about two years, and especially three years from the outbreak, the "logic" of the "non-magical zombies" falls apart. Sure there will be a FEW newly infected, but since most humans were wiped out in the first year, by the second year, most definitely after 3 years from the outbreak, the walkers would be nothing more than harmless piles of goo.
my headcannon is that this is the series finale. ive watches through all 11 seasons many times and still consider this the true finale. but in my version Rick kills Negan. Not for Carl, but for Glenn
I think ricks last episode 9x05 shouldve been the series finale Finale season wouldve been short like the first season They couldve did 6 final episodes
I think that Negan should have died and the show should’ve ended here. Also, CORAL should still be alive. That was doable and Gimple fucked it no lube, per usual. 🥴
Showing them happy first arriving to Alexandra would have been a good cut-off. I HATED S 7 and the god-awful All Out War travesty of television. The rest sucked @ss, especially the twist of killing Carl, and the show without Rick. Bleh.
Agree. I just wish they added the final espisodes of Rick blowing up the bridge as the series finally. That way, we can see that Negan was the Weak one, and Rick was the final hero trying to save everyone.
I am on my first watch through and am on season 10. Wrath absolutely should’ve been the finale. Season 9 other than the first couple episodes and the last episode is just a wash, it’s so bad in my opinion. I don’t like the whisperer plot line and Rick, Carl, and Maggie being gone makes the show so scattered. They absolutely destroyed characters like Michonne and the like. It would have been a satisfying ending to have Rick say “My mercy prevails over my wrath.” Bringing it back to Carl and the reason he was out here in the first place.
I would have switched Carl’s death in episode 9 with Rick’s original death in the final episode, added some more character deaths throughout season 8, and fixed some of the errors throughout 6/7/8 and I truly believe that season 8 would have been a satisfactory conclusion.
Yeah, ending the series after the All-Out War would have been like ending Star Wars after episode 4 (or basically if the original film was a stand-alone)...sure, it makes sense and could work, but think of ALL you miss out on from what came after!!!
As a finale it was a good episode. Sure there’s no big emotional battle but our characters being surrounded and having no hope was peak of tension for the viewer, for the twist with Eugene to save them and realise that the audience didn’t see the full picture and it was the plan the whole time. While no shiny SFX or battle out is done, it was enjoyable for me and my family. As a series finale though, I think the responsibility simply lies on what came after, not the plot ends of season 8; while it felt satisfying to end the war and finally have a secure home (after searching for it all these years through 7 seasons), there was more out there to be explored imo
Honestly, if the show ended at Wrath, I’d be a bit upset we never got to see the Whisperers, but the story would’ve made sense, a lot of character arcs could’ve been properly closed.
The show could have ended after 9x05 if Rick had actually died on the bridge, maybe an episode after to show the aftermath, and a time jump showing an adult Judith. Similar to the comics ending
It probably should have been the series finale. But, it was not designed to be, and that has to be taken into account. If this was selected ahead of time to be the end, I think it would have been a much better place to do it. But that is partly based on hindsight, and through it, knowing how Seasons 9, 10 and 11, really don't add much. Many viewers struggled to carry on or quit in Season 10, after being disappointed by 9. Yet, the Whisperers should have been a valid extention, and so what really goes wrong is the writing of series 9 to 11. If the whisperers had progressed well and ended in a battle worthy of the ending, with Carl perhaps still alive, it might have been an equally valid end point. Underneath this, is question about how long viewers could simply keep interest in the story. And on reflection again, perhaps Wrath marked a more natual end point, after 7 years, (not a Covid and writer;s strike(s), elongated 12)
When I rewatch TWD, I always stop at season 6, episode 9. No Way Out is basically the last episode of the show that felt like the series I was so into. After that we got all the expanded communities and then the whole (poorly written for tv) 2 season Negan arc. Frankly the show lost something it had until then. Up until then there was a magic element to the show, that just dissolved away by the time the season 6 finale was aired and the cliffhanger was the nail in the coffin. It had nothing to do with gore or the deaths of Glenn & Abe. It was the writing and structure of the episodes. They even tried to get the viewers back by an unexpected HUGE death with Carl. But that too backfired. Once Rick left the show was on life support from then on.
The ending scene with Maggie and Daryl made it set up as if there was going to be a civil war between the communities but then it end up being just Maggie and Daryl arguing with Michonne and Rick for like 5 minutes lol
I agree I always thought an actual civil war storyline would've been really cool but I wouldn't want rick and daryls relationship to decay too much because of course I love them as brothers. But yea I agree that was a potential storyline that would've and could've been super interesting, but they would have to be very careful to not ruin everyone's friendships too much.
I feel like had there been a civil war it would have been Alexandria and the Kingdom on the side of the war is over and we've lost enough its time to rebuild while the Hilltop and Oceanside believing that the Saviors punishment wasn't hard enough
@@JodykangYou were missing out m8.
That was likely something Scott Gimple set up but Angela Kang seemingly abandoned that since she likely assumed people would just end up hating Maggie and Daryl and seeing how bad Gimple's writing was getting I heavily doubt his civil war would've been any good
i thought it was a missed opportunity. It would make things more interesting. They can have the civil storyline for at least one season and then reconcile so fans can still love daryl and maggie. Fan of daryl and wouldve supported a civil war story.
I think Rick sitting under a tree in an empty field FINALLY taking a moment to fully grasp everything that happened then just letting it all out, mixed with the music in the background was PERFECT
I just wanna give props to you being able to show enough of the show without getting hit by the TH-cam ban hammer. It really helps illustrate your point and helps convey the emotional weight of the show.
That part because TH-cam needs to sit down
thrifty is the goat of this TH-cam scene
I always find it kinda funny how in the walking world the whole savior arc lasted about a month but in real time it was over 2 years. A little too long.
It was 2 weeks actually and yeah it went on for another season because they wanted to do a whole "all out war" season instead of just having only half of it be in S7 and that's it. All out war was supposedly the biggest war too in the show so it makes sense the writers wanted a whole season of it
@TheRealRickGrimes In the comics, all-out war started after Negan killed Spencer, so S7 E8. So if they followed the comics 2nd half of S7 would have been All-out war.
one piece watchers; 4 years for one arc of 3 weeks in the timeline :D
and with the comics it took me a few hours to read through. maybe that adds to why the pacing fail in the show felt so painful to me.
Anne: "aren't you coming too?"
Morgan: "no, I...I gotta go do Fear with Dwight now..."
Hey, everything's mixed up like where should i start fear the walking dead from? I have completed twd series
Omg i always found like that. Carl letter, the peace after Negan and the End of the Rick and Carl Story really feels like a tragic happy end and it's kinda beutiful to imagine that after that everyone lived in peace like in Carls visions.
But majority of viewers hated Carl's death so they would hate that ending. Up yours Alan
@@TheRealRickGrimeschill doc
@@koli4213 Chill what?
@@TheRealRickGrimes yeah i hate the death too but at least it would be the Final death that brought peace to the World. Like Tony Stark in Endgame.
@@TheRealRickGrimes Chill, my doctorate.
How did they fire all those gunshots in the final battle of this episode with the nearby herd of walkers completely unaware? I was hoping when I watched for the first time that the walkers might be the real final boss of the season, and the saviors would have no choice but to unite with Rick's group against a common enemy. Maybe could have worked better than the pitiful final boss Negan turned out to be.
Maybe it was “whispers” amongst that herd of walkers,keeping them gathered
@rayb.1180 the whisperers are the only reason I don't think the series should have ended with 'Wrath', they were a change up in villainy that arrived to the game too late.
@@rayb.1180 I like your headcanon dawg
@@gRinchY-op5vrexactly they really executed everything after s8 really bad but then again they can't really see the future
That herd was actually approaching them it was shown when Rick had his speech, but everyone fled before the herd actually reached them.
The happiest ending IMO would have been the final scene of season 5, episode 11; where Rick hears the sounds of Alexandria (when he was expecting a silent trap), gets out of the car with Judith, and makes his first steps into the gates.
Completely agree, felt the same way while watching it
Just watched that episode and you're onto something. That was a happy ass scene.
Flashing forward to that dream sequence Rick sees where they're all eating dinner together in Alexandria. That would've been a happy ending
It would be to early. This show doesnt need to stop
Ehhhh, I disagree. Rick didint go through his redemption yet, it end the series on him just transforming into a psycho fixxed on survival and doesnt show him reborn into a leader who can do more than just rip throats out. Wrath shows his turn around back to a leader and leaves it on a more promising clear future, itd definitley be the choice of the 2 if it were needed
I've always had this opinion, and I think this would've been what happened if it weren't for the fact they already had spinoffs like ftwd going that ran parallel to twd
Or, you know, the fact that they had to follow the beats of the comics.
@@NeverOhVer that is a good point, i didn't think of that
@@NeverOhVeror, you know, Kirkman doesn’t holds a gun next to their heads and doesn’t force them to write any more episodes or seasons. Ideal show does not repeat the story that was already told, but changes it up a bit by showing “what if”, which TWD completely managed to do with some characters like Carol and couldn’t with some characters like Tyreese.
@@NeverOhVer killing the most important character in the comics in such a dumb way half way through season 8 was not "following the beats" of the comics.
@@houseking9211 He was FAR from the most important character. He wasn’t doing much and was just busy taking care of Sophia and moving to Hilltop. Killing Glenn off made Maggie’s character much more motivated and cool. Having her get with Dante later on was dumb though.
Wrath truly was the end of the original Walking Dead feel we all came to love
Yeah, killing Carl was the point of no return and axing Rick was the true end point. It was always the Grimes family story, Rick was who he was,did what he did, for carls sake, to build a better world for his children. A child Judith can’t carry that torch. They should’ve kept Carl and Rock around, Carl til the end and kill Rick in the whisperer war to being out carls full potential, or started the future storylines with an already aged up Judith like we see in the final season.
@@archbishopofthecrusades9579nah it shouldn’t have been the ending. The ending should have been 6x09.
@@damiantirado9616I agree I think that would’ve been the perfect ending
@@damiantirado9616I think Wrath should've been the ending. But, I agree with you No way out would be a good ending with Carl waking up looping back to when Rick did. Again, S5 finale would've been good to Rick and Morgan seeing each other full circling the beginning. Sorry giving my opinions 😅
@@justinpatton6996 wrath ending would be terrible because season 7 and 8 where terrible seasons.
6x09 would’ve been technically better cause it would’ve shown what the show was about which is Rick making a better future for his children. Carl is his main child not Judith. Killing Carl was the worst mistake the tv show made.
im not sure that it should've ended any earlier but if it did I think they should have ended it in 9x5 with Rick dying for real and maybe one more episode afterwards showing a successful new world where michonne Maggie and the kingdom stay together and build. It would be 6 episodes just like the first season.
Yeah when i realized that he wasnt in the show anymore after 9x5 i stopped watching. Only because they actedlike they were setting up this huge storyline with rick and the CRM but NOPE. Nothin. Shoulda just had him die and kept carl alive. Maggie Neagan Dwight and Daryl are good. Dont care about any of the other cringe characters.
Can’t wait for the Rick spinoff in February
"setting up this huge storyline with rick and the CRM but NOPE", what do you mean nope? there's an entire show coming out about it.@@cadeheinberg3047
@@cadeheinberg3047 they literally were... there is a spin-off series coming up with rick and michonne, also no disrespect and i do understand how you feel and all but when i see people say that they didn't even watch a tv show after the character they love is gone... it's such a stupid thing with all due respect, bro just keep watching.. and they if you dislike it that's fair
@wgnd1614
I get what you're saying, and for the most part I'd agree. Bailing on a story purely because a particular character dies is a bit silly.
But when the main character's exit is handled so poorly, I think that's more than enough of a reason to give up on a show. I, personally, wasn't a huge fan of the direction they went but I still carried on watching because I thoroughly enjoyed Season 9. But I can understand why some would bail
The real "finale" is season 5 episode 11... Arriving at the gates of Alexandria, hearing kids playing and finally making it somewhere safe.
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The fact this was put into movie theaters along with the season 4 premiere of fear, this could have been a great series finale with a sightly altered script.
The comic ending was the perfect ending imo. Because of Carl's death however, that became impossible in the TV show. Wrath at least gives us closure and would have been a fitting end to the TV show. It would have been a better ending than the ending we actually got
It was a good ending but Id imagine AMC would be terrified of threats over killing Rick in a pretty nonchalant way. Tv fans are different than comic fans people wouldnt let Andy go out like that without uproar
I agree with this fully, it really FELT like a series finale in so many ways
Would love an analysis on “Hearts still beating” in season 7 ep 8. The Negan scenes are sooo good. Loved the video
Got to see this episode in theaters and it was an amazing experience, Everyone roared when the Savior's guns backfired. I say it would be a good finale letting Rick walk into the sunset without him dying. The Maggie Jesus and Daryl plotting scene was really the only thing that rubbed me the wrong way.
what do you mean in theaters??
@@haiden2945 amc theaters played The episode and the season 4 premiere of fear after
I love your content because I feel like we are on the same page in our love for season 6 and now this perfect idea that I’ve had the feeling of since it came out. As a comic reader I was ready for the time skip so I saw all the things happening in the end of the season that wraps up this entire era. Like Carl mirroring ricks first intro scene. Carol finding Henry in the same type of spot she lost Sophia in. It all led to wrath which totally felt like an end to the OG storyline of the first 8 seasons. Its the worst season of the show but damn I love the little things they do.
I guess i have the unpopular opinion but im so glad we got the whisperers and commonwealth. Definitely the comic fan in me
I never read the comics and I agree! Loved the whisperers! So creepy! Especially when they first appear!
I definitely agree with you. The Whisperers and the Commonwealth helped enlarge the scope of the Walking Dead Universe even further. I'm really glad we got to see all of that. 🥰
@@WrestlingGamesForeverbro there ain’t no way you really think this
Agreed, I love the Whisperer Arc. I thought the Commonwealth Arc was pretty good too but I wish all 24 episodes of season 11 were Commonwealth focused instead of wasting nine episodes on the Reapers
Yeah it all felt a little long and kinda strange since it was so different but there were great storylines and great moments and it all tied up neatly
I've honestly thought about this for a while bit never realized anyone shared the view. I have sorta mixed feelings about it because if seasons 10 and 11 were done right they could've been alot better. But when we look at what we got, the season 8 finale honestly feels more conclusive, and natural. All you need to do is change a few things, and you could make it a great series finale. Also I get that alot of other people are comic enjoyers, I am aswell, as I've read all of them, but I have to say that thematically seasons 10 and 11 just feel a little too disconnected. Especially season 11.
Glad to know I ain't alone I always feel like I'm the only guy that has read the comics lol
I'm glad aswell I feel the same I've got a soft spot for everything up to season 9 but then 10 & 11 are way to long and disconnected I just rather stick with the comic
Can you please cover Walking Dead “Them” episode from season 5? I loved how it was the groups lowest point, Rick says his infamous speech and they are introduced to Aaron. One of my favorite episodes!
I liked seasons 9, 10, and 11. Wouldn’t want to leave the walking dead on the sour note of 7 and 8. Even if I like season 8.
The worst seasons of TWD are better than Fears worst seasons and even best seasons in many cases.
My thoughts exactly though I still have yet to watch season 11. Also would have never seen The Whisperers.
@@OWmyDragonballz FTWD S1-3 is far far better than TWD S9-11
@@arct1c203 it's most definitely not, fear is utter garbage and the only good thing about it is that they actually showed the beginning of the outbreak, but the path they took was stupid and the characters were the worst in twd universe (it's hard to compete with lori but they still win)
There is no feasible way you think 9,10, and 11 are better than season 7
I actually liked your idea about doing the spinoffs after this episode. I remember watching into Season 9, but I don't think I saw much after that. I don't use streaming services, so that wouldn't have changed things for me. Keeping it shorter and getting rid of the filler would likely have helped though.
I would argue that Rick's "death" should have been the series finale. We got to see familiar faces in the form of Shane, Hershel and Sasha, and we kept getting callbacks to Rick's iconic "I'm looking for my family" only for him to answer "I found them..." before sacrificing himself to save Hilltop from a walker herd. I can't think of any better way for this series to end. :')
But then we wouldn’t have gotten the whisperers and Ryan Hursts portrayal of beta was amazing.
I like the idea of it being the end of the show. It should have ended then or after no way out.
It was the series finale for me. I thought the scene with Maggie and Daryl plotting was just a contrived way to keep conflict going. So from my POV, they defeated Negan and all lived happily ever after.
I must admit, I hated the show for killing carl. Then I hated rick for letting negan live . Then I understood Rick's idea: the worst punishment is that negan is in one cell and watching the world passing him by and his community is gone and his narcissism is dying . His death would end it . But this is the perfect ending for him. And I know they kept his character alive because andrew was leaving the show .
I agree. The walking dead was and is Rick Grimes. In season 8 he was the best he has ever been in terms of viewing the world through his and other's eyes. Carl's vision was great and he saw that. He wanted to make that a reality.
I feel like this would have been the perfect ending it brings everything full circle and plus The walking Dead would have a better legacy because six out of the First 8 seasons are genuinely peak TV
Personally I think ricks letter to carl closes a great character arc for rick and made rick as a whole feel like a stronger better character. Also this season you can clearly tell is meant to be streamed and binged within a week, the week to week episode release for this entire season was subpar but my friends that dropped the show at season 6 and went back to finish it after season 11 released on Netflix's said they didn't mind season 8 as much, but they all agreed the only good episode from season 7 was episode 1.
This episode was fine. Rick and Carl connection is just amazing. Killing Carl was pretty sad, but it made Rick's character development amazing.
Season 8 episode 16 "wrath" is like my favorite television episode ever
It's true that TWD dragged for way too long. I do like Season 9 however. Not in its entirety but I feel like The Whisperers were an essential part of the TWD Lore and they just had to have been included. I just think they could've shortened the entire story. I would've done 8 episodes for 1st Season and about 10 for 2nd. I would've shortened the whole Farm thing in second Season and prolonged that C.D.C. scene. It would've been cool if ending of Season 2 would've already include the Prison, but then again, The Prison location had to be built. So anyways - they could've easily done Seasons 3 and 4 in one Season with something like 16 episodes. Then Season 4 would've been the whole Season 5 and most of Season 6. I didn't mind dedicatiing Negan Wars 2 Seasons, but they could've been shorter, but then again, the whole Negan War could've been told in 1 Season with 16 or 18 or perhaps even 20 episodes. So then you'd had basically TWD whole 8 Seasons packed in 6 Seasons. Then The Whisperers would've been in Season 7 and once they were dealt with, that would've been the end of the show after 7 Seasons with Rick still in the Show. Perhaps then they could've done Spinoffs where Commonwealth would've been one of the spin offs. 11 Seasons was a drag. Also Seasons 10 and 11 were pretty bad to be honest. Specially how the Episodes were lined up. Sometimes you would not see part of the story for whole 6 episodes or something >_
I must say its good to see that many people feel the same way about the show but honestly what i would love to see is a animated comic adaptation I'd be well happy
Shoulda woulda coulda.
Lol Gimple talk
Man youve quickly become one my absolute favorite channels. I legit got excited to see a new upload
I'm not even that upset with the idea that Maggie (Glenn's wife) and Daryl (the one who feels personally responsible for Glenn's death) would take issue with sparing Negan. It's 1. that they play it up as if it's gonna lead to some Avengers Civil War-esque clash and 2. that JESUS is there with the two of them FULLY on board. I get that Jesus feels a great deal of loyalty towards Maggie, but he also just spent basically all of Season 8 being the pacifist voice-of-reason to multiple different characters. So to have him do a 180 in the final 5 minutes of the season finale...thank god Angela Kang took over.
I have to disagree with wanting the final battle to be some huge, bombastic spectacle. What I really loved about TWD was the character work, I never saw it as some TV blockbuster and so the action scenes didn’t really mean anything to me. In this scene you have the Eugene twist, showing his character growth in being able to sacrifice his own personal safety and comfort in order to do what’s right and save the people he cares about, you have Negan’s fondness for Carl being the thing that finally causes his downfall, showing how Carl was right and he truly isn’t too far gone, and you have Rick regaining his humanity and choosing mercy over rage, allowing everyone to move on to finally create a better world. That all means so much more to me than watching some mooks machine-gunning each other for 30 minutes
I mean not happy about carls death but if Carl was alive then I would be fine with this ending
If this was the ending they wouldn't have done the extra shit with Dwight n Morgan or anyone else cuz they wouldn't have purposefully planned to have them in FTWD I think thats the point were trying to make, if it was planned to be the series finale they would've changed some stuff n made the final battle much better. I think they should've planned to make this the ending but ending it there ruins their plans for FTWD n all the other spin-offs aka less money in their pockets. In theory yes they could still make the spinoffs but the hype would be less without the characters from TWD.
I tell anyone watching the series for the first time to stop at "Wrath". It is the true ending to The Walking Dead. Rick's story really ended here after he defeated he Saviors and ended the war.
This was the last episode of the walking dead I watched. The show felt repetitive. I've seen some stuff that happens after because it's hard not to with the internet but I'm not that fussed but I'm gonna wait until all of the walking dead and spin offs are finished then I'll binge watch the entire thing.
This or the mid season finale of season 9 could've been the end.
The season 8 firefights looked incredibly cheap too. I will always say it, they looked like fan films and not a AMC production
The show should have ended here, considering that Carl died, would have made sense for the show to end here. The last three seasons were just a waste in my opinion, more of a cash grab.
bro ive been saying this for so long, like the death of carl actually makes sense and is great storytelling if the show didn't continue after s8, not to mention "my mercy prevails over my wrath" is the highest character peak in fiction
It makes sense and is good storytelling, but it’s still an objectively bad writing decision
If i had stopped watching on wrath that would have been a good conclusion for me. Sadly i grew up on this show so i slogged through the rest until it ended, but it's kinda paying off the spin-offs have been better than s11 but nothing groundbreaking yet. If the The Ones Who Live is mediocre that will probably be it for me, i've been waiting for rick for all these years if they don't do him justice and take him in a really good direction i can't watch it at that point that's my guy.
I'll never get all the hate twd gets or why season 8 it gets hate it's meant to be fun and suspenseful but people just shit on it especially this guys video I don't understand it at all.
I always thought there was a missed opportunity for a civil war between rick and michonne and daryl and maggie, tho i wouldnt want rick and daryls friendships to deteriorate so much that they could never be brothers again so idk how the show would get around rick and daryl actually trying to shoot eachother back to "your my brother, daryl". But it could be done, its just they couldnt kill too many of eachothers sides or eachother which then is it really a war? So i dont know but as far as wars go they did all the different types of wars except a civil war which i think couldve been super interesting. If done right of course.
It’s not that it could have been the series finale. It SHOULD have been the series finale.
It’s only 11 Seasons so it’s odd that anyone thinks that’s long.
I didn’t like how it ended on a cliffhanger instead of having a twelve and final season.
5 SEASONS TOPS!!! Cut out most side characters & stick to the COMICS. Would’ve made a Walker Heard of money. INTENSE!!!
My main issue with the Rick and Negan fight is Rick won by begging for time to "talk" to Negan then used that time to almost kill him. A very weak way for Rick to win the fight.
It literally was the ending of the series for me. I stopped right there. It was a good enough ending to me.
Thing is if the show ended with Negan, The Whisperers which I love in the Comics and consider to be the peak of them wouldn't be adapted. Saying the show should end here or there isn't a strong argument when there are things in both the source material and the adaptation that work, that are good, and that people do like.
I think it really shouldve ended after Rick's departure.
I gotta disagree. I know alot of people think it shouldve ended here or when they got to alexandria but man season 8 is probably the weakest in the whole series, i really wouldnt have wanted the show to go out like that. I do think it shouldve been renamed after rick left tho. Has a whole different vibe
Perfect, another video to do my homework too. You are single handedly getting me through my 3D modeling class.
The only reason why I enjoy twd after wrath is because of negan and his character development
I kinda see it as the end of the walking dead and 9-11 is kinda of a spin off
They should have done the comic book ending even though some of the characters are dead
Should’ve ended here without the maggie and daryl stuff
Season 8 was definitly the point of the walking dead where it marked the end of an era. It had some of the highest moments in all of the show, but it also had the lowest of lows even in the final episode. In my opinion though, this was my favorite season of TWD. The problem was this season could've ended in so many different ways I thought would've been better than what we got, but I appreciated it nonetheless because it felt like the most positive ending we've gotten in the whole show, I cried a bit.
However, there was money to be made and they went off with it to the point where I just didn't care. I tried with season 9, but I dropped it cuz it literally felt dead to me. I respect some of the chances they took, but the disrespect the show had on the characters didn't feel right and really there was no point in continuing.
I think they continued making the show despite the fans, but knew we were gonna be loyal and watch because we were fans. I'm always gonna be down to watch whatever's new from the show, I've accepted that. Now the show just went off on a tangent and it feels meaningless to me and it didn't really give us the high note it deserved to go off on in the last season, but that goes to show you when it's over, it's over. It should've ended at season 8.
You're so right, I'm a fan of the whole show but as far as action goes the prison arc was the most badass the show seemed to get, with the final battle between Rick and the governor
Hindsight being 20/20, this is how I would have structured the TWDU:
Seasons 1-7: Trim the filler and end season 7 with Rick blowing up the bridge and going missing. And Carl doesn’t die. After that, TWD classic is considered over.
Concurrently, FTWD would also air seven seasons about Madison Clark’s slow descent into villainy.
The first spin-off after TWD classic could be about Daryl searching for Rick and ending up in France, effectively the same show but earlier in the timeline. Along with this, a Morgan spin-off that is SEPARATE from FTWD. These could run up until covid hit. The finale of the Daryl show would be about him actually successfully rescuing Rick and bringing him back home for the final spin-off: “The Walking Dead: The Next Generation.”
This final show would run three seasons, star Rick AND Carl and whoever else felt like coming back, and be about the Whisperer and Commonwealth storylines, concluding where the comics do. Only thing left after that I guess is Dead City and any other new ideas they’ve got.
In a better timeline, TWD has 8 seasons and GOT has 11
Ps for me this is the series finale to me and 9-11 is a spinoff
I liked Wrath very much and to me it is the Series Finale
Perfect idea, exactly how it should’ve gone
Asking for a friend but if you take those diamonds and give them to a jewellery place, can they make it into a ring?
The piracy site I used to watch the walking dead had literally every episode of the show EXCEPT for wrath, so I was really confused when I started season 9
i liked ricks last episode if it was the finale id be content
I honestly would’ve been ok with the walking dead going 11 seasons if Carl was alive and Rick still left the show but they killed Carl before Rick even left then Rick left the show in season 9 and it just felt like a spin off at that point the show shoudlve ended with carl and rick being gone the show was about rick and his journey to make sure his kids survive which starts with carl (and he knows Judith isn’t his actual kid) so if carl had to be killed off the show shoudlve ended after that because now the big premise and overall plot of the show is done rick didn’t have carl to protect anymore so ending it with peace and letting negan live would’ve been a much better ending
If Wrath was the end it would be 10 times better than the actual finale we got
I think season 9 episode 5 wouldve been the perfect series finale. Hear me out.
9x5 would end as it did. the flashforward would be different though. Yes judith would save the new group. But then alongside this group we'd get a 15 minute look at the new world post Rock Grimes. And teasing the sequel show/spinoff. Rick would be taken by helicopter like in the original but like i said, there would be a sequel show/spinoff. Maybe something like The Walking Dead: Communities or something like that. It would've covered all the content from 9x6 (as a series premiere)- 11x24. Basically a 3 season sequel series.
This would allow for OG The Walking dead show to stay as a Rick Grimes story and for the content that came after to be its own show without Rick. It doesn't change the story at all but it does make sure that Rick's story pre CRM arc has ended. And of course we would still see him again in the series finale of The Walking Dead: Communities just like wevdid originally and for The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live to continue where 9x5 left off.
For the most part in my opinion, season 9, 10 and 11 were the worst of the series anyway…so if it ended there, I wouldn’t be mad. Sure there were a couple cool things, but after season 8 it’s a completely different show. And it’s so obvious.
Morgan had lost everything but Rick still had Judith and Michonne. Plus, Rick had a whole group he saw as family.
The relationship between Rick and CORAL is one that is so precious to so many of us. CORAL was that kid we watched grow up (or like you, Thrifty, grew up with), and whilst CORAL could sometimes be insufferable, he was still the future. He and Rick were the soul of this show. Even rewatching the clips in this, I teared up several times. Andrew Lincoln can act his bow-legged ass off! He deserved at least one Emmy award. I understand he was against other, stronger shows with actors who had more “seriously dramatic” material (Cranston in Breaking Bad, Jon Hamm from Mad Men, and in the first few years, even Michael C. Hall from Dexter. That’s stiff competition but Andy deserved to win at least once).
This gonna be good
The only reason it didn't was for that moooooooney
Covid and streaming hit the TWD hard. Season 9 was a step in the right direction after season 7 and 8. Season 10 seemed like the season that would never end. Any momentum they might have had was killed having to wait til the folowing october for the finale and those 6 covid episodes were brutal with the exception of Heres Negan.
Unfortunately for season 11 the 4 main characters involved in the commonwealth story line, Rick, Carl, Michonne and Dwight were all gone. It was a death by a million cuts for TWD.
Honestly i dont care, it shouldn't've ended here, great video as usual but im mainly disagreeing with the argument for it ending here, nothing against you. There is just too much to enjoy from season 9, 10, 11 and daryl dixon (supposedly i haven't seen it yet) i really dont know how you could argue you wish you had less good walking dead content.
I used to love the first several seasons ... back when it was about humans vs zombies. Once zombies became just a minor back story, I lost interest. When Nega came on scene and brutally showed Lucile, I stopped watching. I wanted to see a man vs zombie series, I have little interest in what became a man vs man series. It's an unpopular stance, but hey, I've never been a conformist. Once these "non-magical zombies" reached about two years, and especially three years from the outbreak, the "logic" of the "non-magical zombies" falls apart. Sure there will be a FEW newly infected, but since most humans were wiped out in the first year, by the second year, most definitely after 3 years from the outbreak, the walkers would be nothing more than harmless piles of goo.
This was my series finale. I haven't watched past this episode, and don't plan to. I'm rewatching it again, and I will stop at wrath.
Mush respect 🫡
I always saw 816 as an end to Part of TWD. For me it is a Series Finale but just for the OG TWD.
my headcannon is that this is the series finale. ive watches through all 11 seasons many times and still consider this the true finale. but in my version Rick kills Negan. Not for Carl, but for Glenn
I think ricks last episode 9x05 shouldve been the series finale
Finale season wouldve been short like the first season
They couldve did 6 final episodes
I think that Negan should have died and the show should’ve ended here. Also, CORAL should still be alive. That was doable and Gimple fucked it no lube, per usual. 🥴
I been saying the last episode should’ve been wrath
After watching this video I do agree a lot is missing .. that’s fixable, they could’ve made it an extra 30 min long or even an hour
Showing them happy first arriving to Alexandra would have been a good cut-off. I HATED S 7 and the god-awful All Out War travesty of television. The rest sucked @ss, especially the twist of killing Carl, and the show without Rick. Bleh.
Agree. I just wish they added the final espisodes of Rick blowing up the bridge as the series finally. That way, we can see that Negan was the Weak one, and Rick was the final hero trying to save everyone.
I am on my first watch through and am on season 10. Wrath absolutely should’ve been the finale. Season 9 other than the first couple episodes and the last episode is just a wash, it’s so bad in my opinion. I don’t like the whisperer plot line and Rick, Carl, and Maggie being gone makes the show so scattered. They absolutely destroyed characters like Michonne and the like. It would have been a satisfying ending to have Rick say “My mercy prevails over my wrath.” Bringing it back to Carl and the reason he was out here in the first place.
I would have switched Carl’s death in episode 9 with Rick’s original death in the final episode, added some more character deaths throughout season 8, and fixed some of the errors throughout 6/7/8 and I truly believe that season 8 would have been a satisfactory conclusion.
Yeah, ending the series after the All-Out War would have been like ending Star Wars after episode 4 (or basically if the original film was a stand-alone)...sure, it makes sense and could work, but think of ALL you miss out on from what came after!!!
As a finale it was a good episode. Sure there’s no big emotional battle but our characters being surrounded and having no hope was peak of tension for the viewer, for the twist with Eugene to save them and realise that the audience didn’t see the full picture and it was the plan the whole time. While no shiny SFX or battle out is done, it was enjoyable for me and my family. As a series finale though, I think the responsibility simply lies on what came after, not the plot ends of season 8; while it felt satisfying to end the war and finally have a secure home (after searching for it all these years through 7 seasons), there was more out there to be explored imo
Honestly, if the show ended at Wrath, I’d be a bit upset we never got to see the Whisperers, but the story would’ve made sense, a lot of character arcs could’ve been properly closed.
The show could have ended after 9x05 if Rick had actually died on the bridge, maybe an episode after to show the aftermath, and a time jump showing an adult Judith. Similar to the comics ending
It probably should have been the series finale. But, it was not designed to be, and that has to be taken into account. If this was selected ahead of time to be the end, I think it would have been a much better place to do it. But that is partly based on hindsight, and through it, knowing how Seasons 9, 10 and 11, really don't add much. Many viewers struggled to carry on or quit in Season 10, after being disappointed by 9. Yet, the Whisperers should have been a valid extention, and so what really goes wrong is the writing of series 9 to 11. If the whisperers had progressed well and ended in a battle worthy of the ending, with Carl perhaps still alive, it might have been an equally valid end point. Underneath this, is question about how long viewers could simply keep interest in the story. And on reflection again, perhaps Wrath marked a more natual end point, after 7 years, (not a Covid and writer;s strike(s), elongated 12)
When I rewatch TWD, I always stop at season 6, episode 9. No Way Out is basically the last episode of the show that felt like the series I was so into. After that we got all the expanded communities and then the whole (poorly written for tv) 2 season Negan arc. Frankly the show lost something it had until then.
Up until then there was a magic element to the show, that just dissolved away by the time the season 6 finale was aired and the cliffhanger was the nail in the coffin. It had nothing to do with gore or the deaths of Glenn & Abe. It was the writing and structure of the episodes. They even tried to get the viewers back by an unexpected HUGE death with Carl. But that too backfired. Once Rick left the show was on life support from then on.