Overwatch Is Stupid
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It’s depressing to see what has happened to a game that initially was really fun to play
Yeah, honestly
It was, _genuinly fun?_ At the beginning?
@@simplysmiley4670 tbh gameplay wise it's more fun and less broken than it was at the beginning, it just doesn't have the same hype around it that it used to have
Ehhhhh not really. The game at launch had horrible balancing, a flipping coin flip system that basically determined which side won, 2 healers, less content, etc.
With over watch 2 (minus the pve this is basically a big balance patch) I’d say the game is generally in a really good state.
I think the thing was that nothing happened it just remained the same thing,with no changes at all.
@@lilwintery6434 I truthfully believe the only reason Overwatch was more fun in 2016 than now is because no one took it seriously in 2016. By that I mean no one knew what they were doing and every single character was nonsenically overtuned. So everyone was just having fun playing these broken ass superheroes and doing stupid stuff with friends in party. But now that it's been so long everyone for the most part knows what they're doing and as a result are taking the game seriously. Taking a game where every single specialist is SUPER overtuned for their specialty is just not possible to play competetively. Or balance properly for that matter. These character aren't overtuned in a titanfall 2 way. They're overtuned in the sense of "let's give every single hero at least one power that takes absolutely no skill to use whatsoever and can shut down an entire category of specialists with no counterplay made available." Because of how these stupid ass heroes are designed a single nerf or buff to any of them makes or breaks a character completely. The game was fundamentally designed in a way where trying to do anything outside of dick around instantly makes the game not fun. And dicking around in Overwatch this late into its lifespan is just not a thing you can do. Like 90% of the community is filled with sweats so sweaty their rooms are flooded
For me, Overwatch is frustrating in the same way a MOBA is frustrating.Having to deal with characters with annoying or overpower abilities,everything being highly competitive even in casual mode and the fact that you have no choice but to work as a team and if someone messes up it could cost you the game.Given that it borrows aspects from MOBAS this doesn't surprise me.
at least mobas have ban phases and (generally) actual counterpicking. In overwatch it's pick FoTM, or in the most recent years Flavor of the Year because we don't get rebalancing
It’s a MOBA shooter hybrid, that’s always what it was intended to be. Is it annoying as all hell and an awful blend of genres? Absolutely. But it does what it intends to do.
Skill Issue
They seem to realise this now with the changes to OW2 for the next generation OW gamers to get stuck even longer in an endless cycle depression pit void yay 🤷♂️
More things to keep you in escapism while queuing for your depression
@@ethan5915 so Paladins is actually better in that regard?
Honestly, with all of the controversies, "Balance Updates", and bad teammates, I wonder how Overwatch managed to survive.
Thanks for the Video FoeKoe!
Simple: Other AAA are just as bad, and indie games doesn't have as much resources to upkeep.
Oh that answers easy, it’s porn. Porn of this game is what’s kept it alive for so long.
@@attorneyinbirdlaw9537 You know what's funny? Theres Overwatch porn videos with better character writing and development than anything Blizz didn with OW in 7 years lol
Well, most of the controversies that Blizzard have been through (if you are referring to those controversies) aren't OW related. Heck! Out of all the sexaul harassment allegations, not a single of them came from the OW team. They really are better than the rest as people. Which is funny cuz their game makes bank on adult sites.
@@attorneyinbirdlaw9537 overwatch is a flawed game but man do i love retards coming with the SFM porn argument
“I guess they are focusing more on the PvE mode.”
Should we tell him?
I'll never forget when Blizzard passive aggressively offered Nintendo to put any one of their Overwatch characters into Smash. Seriously, they were that petty.
I mean it would have been awesome to see doomfist in smash TBH
@@jfoster8624 no thanks 😣
@@bahhumbug5467 why it's not like it wouldn't work.
@@jfoster8624 none of the overwatch characters are interesting enough for smash lmao
@@legendofsonic3979 doomfist definitely is imo so is tracer
Overwatch is the kind of game you play a lot for like a month and then stop playing for half a year because it just stops being fun after getting obliterated by Roadhog for the 500th time or something
can confirm that both tf2 and ow have this problem, i was focused on tf2 once for like a month and then stopped playing at all
I remember grinding the game bc it was my first $60 game, and played for a year until role queue came out and I stopped playing in general
Had a game where I went on a 25 killstreak as roadhog without dying once, pressing E to get a free 300 health is really skillful guys trust me
Tf2 is not any better on that regard, you go out of position and you die
@@desko2041 Ok I'm sorry but this is quite literally a skill issue. I understand that certain heroes might be op for casuals. But roadhog is very easily counterable if you have a team with eyes and semi-decent aim. Roadhog literally has the biggest hitbox in the game and no armor. You literally just shoot him and he dies.
I’m a hardcore overwatch and I have to say that the amount of fun your gonna have in the game, depends on the people you are playing with or against. Playing with a group of friends makes the game hundreds times more fun but playing with ransoms can be boring and frustrating at times. The enemy team is no expectations to that rule. If your playing with actually good players and they don’t just use a crowd control move, it can be a very good match.
Honestly I only really play overwatch when I'm in a 3-6 stack. It's just not fun to solo q. The game is more fun when you know that you're teammates aren't going to randomly throw the game at any moment.
@@theamazingeevee2045 “it’s my teammates fault”
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It's a cool game that's just built in a different way to the atypical shooter. I get why it's liked, I just got burnt out from people spamming me with msgs cuz I wasnt doing the right thing. If I had more online friends it would've been a hilariously fun game
This literally applies to every game ever.
Every game is fun with friends, that isn't an argument in favour of Overwatch lmao.
Gonna be honest, I love overwatch, but you definitely aren’t wrong about how anti casual the game is, and how infuriatingly reliant the game is on team play and team comp at this point, and I guess how stagnant the whole thing feels
Dude, I love Overwatch and I totally agree. So the direction they've taken with the sequel trying to make characters fun to fight against has been pretty successful, so I hope it's maintained that way.
"Sequel"
@@Thornskade TF2 profile pic detected, opinion ignored
@@StimmBehr Yeah frankly, nobody should take anything you say seriously when you actually think Overwatch 2 is a sequel rather than Overwatch but now there's a 2 in the title. And that reply, whoof. I'd say both these comments are troll attempts but if so they're not very good so honestly, good job bamboozling me.
@@Thornskade Skeebopbowopabo ning ning ning
@@Thornskade 🦫🧆🐄
Overwatch is one of my favorite games ever, but I will admit that it definitely has its problems. Its balancing is a mess and it can be a pain to play at times. That being said, the main draw of the game for me is those special moments you get when you and your friends perfectly coordinate and decimate the other team, those small moments of perfection make the experience what it is.
Definitely, and with D.Va being one of my tank mains getting 3 or more kills with my bombs feels awesome lol. It doesn’t happen too often and it’s one of the things I look forward to when playing the game
Thing is you can have these moments in other games as well, including TF2, but then the rest of the games is also just better
@@Thornskade tf2 is good but there’s something about overwatch that makes you feel excited. Like the competitive. When I got to grandmaster on overwatch I’ve never felt more achieved in any videogame. I felt like I actually played as a team and went against the odds of solo q’ing.
@@mistahpixel1569 Then apparently you haven't played many games before. Every game with ranks can give you that feeling.
@@Thornskade Not tf2 lol
It's so sad to see overwatch's downfall. It has such good character design with so much personality and great voice actors. And the cinematics are fucking incredible . The charm of the game is what got me hooked, and now it's just not fun anymore. They should just go full 'arcane' and make a TV show and abandon the dumpster fire that is overwatch 2
Nah they should keep going after getting this far.
I think that if they made a show half as good as the cinematics it. Would be amazing
Its like a kid friendly TF2 with 10 times more characters and (in my opinion, no offense etc etc) slightly worse characters, and a more competitive setting.
@@medicgaming9117 overwatch has a lot more potential for new stories than tf2 does. At least the overwatch voice actors are easy to get in contact with and the overwatch comics are actually finished lmao
@@oinkitysploink look tf2 have just bit better characters than overwatch and laughting that Valve is like not even caring for tf2 is just sad
Tf2 have better potential for comics story and shorts because It can be used so much more
I used to love overwatch back in the ol’ days. When non of this weird matchmaking stuff was introduced, when you could pick any character you want, just like in tf2 there were less heroes, the abilities were less irritating. And then, something happened. Idk what but I fell out of the game and went back to tf2. Lol.
what happened was people started abusing mechanics, the game was already unfun but at the start people didnt really know what they were doing so it was just a fun slugfest but once people started seeing the mechanics and trying to develop metas around them the bullshit came out
and then blizzard started feeding into it because it made them money
Abusing what mechanics? The game was just poorly balanced woth terrible low skill, high reward power creep. It leaned more toward the MOBA aspect imstead of the FPS aspect and did it badly. So, you were either stuck shooting at shields all day or getting ran over with no chance to fight back because there was way too much CC in the game.
@Davide Iacona 😶🌫️
Goats happened and blizzard havung s*xual assult creepy stuff
Just play classic mode?
Frankly I love overwatch but I definitely agree with pretty much everything in this video. OW2 took a small step in the right direction to remove most of the stun mechanics and I’m still optimistic that they update their pvp more and make it more fun as a casual game.
Yeah, step by step their slowly learning and i'm hopeful they don't take the whole 7 months for a small update approach again, 2 years with echo was enough for me
@@Dabajaws I feel like overwatch would have eventually reached the same point ow2 has if it was given the proper updates, so I’m glad ow2 is basically a free mega update
Idk I prefer the flashbang over the homing grenade.
New Cree nade is a joke when you're wallriding with Lucio lol
I agree with this opinion
As a competitive OW player I was going into this video expecting absolute garbage takes from somebody who doesn't understand a thing about the game, but this opinion was surprisingly refreshing to hear. It's nice to hear the takes of a casual player, as that's who the devs really need to be marketing this game to, not the people who play OW1 already, most of us are already sold on the game. If you're at all curious, here is the opinion that I have on OW now as a competitive player, and many of those that I know hold similar thoughts about the game at the moment.
1. The OW2 Beta feels infinitely better than the live game. Removing a tank makes it way easier for individuals to have an impact on the game, and removing CC lets you actually play the game. My thoughts about this are strong enough to where I can't even touch OW1 anymore without playing in a casual 6 stack with friends, or in an organized scrim team environment.
2. Although the beta didn't change a whole lot, it was never expected to. The beta was the first of at least 3, meaning we have less than a third of the PvP content that will be coming to OW2, but its not about how much is changed, its about how the game feels. As most people who played early Overwatch know, Genji was one of the most fun and powerful characters, but power creep and additional CC made him feel unplayable in 95% of situations, but in OW2 he feels better than he ever has, despite him receiving 0 changes.
3. Many people, especially casual players who stopped playing years ago know nothing about the OW team's position involving Blizzard's internal issues. Due to OW being Blizzard's newest IPs with a dev team full of new employees, and luckily led by Jeff Kaplan, who had nothing to do with any of the sexual abuse, none of the allegations have been coming from the OW team. Due to this, there has been a bit of a disconnect between Blizzard and the OW devs, as well as a power struggle between who truly controls Overwatch. This is a big reason why we are even getting Overwatch 2 in the first place, instead of it just being an update or DLC. It basically is an update anyway, since the PvP changes will be free for everybody who owns OW1.
And thank you for not going down the "OW bad because TF2 good" route. I hate seeing fans of two games I love start arguments with each other over nothing.
I think it’s a pretty chode move to do ow2 is still pretty much just dlc at this point I don’t think it stands to justify its own existence yet
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle That's the point. Overwatch 2 was inevitable, Blizzard wants it, but the OW team and the community both do not. Which is why they tried their hardest to make it basically a DLC.
Damn, bro really wrote a 4 paragraph essay.
@@User-tv2lq so what? are you so much of a zoomer that you can even handle a minute's worth of text?
@@GraveUypo no dude. It’s a pretty good essay, I just stated how long it is. And please don’t call me a zoomer.
It's fucking comedy gold that a game from 15 years ago that hasn't really received a major update since late 2017, is beating multiple title by triple a companies
I played Overwatch for over 3 years when I was a teenager and I genuinely got absolutely nothing from it, not even entertainment
well playing any game for 3 years will get you nothing lmao
Gaming in a nutshell
What games are you guys playing
@@rerg6923 entertainment?
@@thisisthecat9518 was refering to material things and knowledge
cuz idk man overwatch (at least 1) is clearly not for the casual so ofc hes not going to love it
at least thats my take
The little problems in Overwatch sometimes outshine TF2s problems, they are horrible for such a high budget game. And TF2 is the one being neglected.
A sequel for the same price, that’s just a graphics upgrade.
Unbalanced classes
Horrible Matchmaking
Yeah they need to fix some shit... Hopefully blizzard can try to resolve this problems
how does one speak so confidently on things they don't know anything about? the "sequel for the same price" is going to be a free expansion to owners of the original and the paid part is purely campaign and pve stuff. cmon chief, do your research.
also rn its just a beta so dont expect the beta to give you 10 character 20 maps and 3 gamemodes, they are going to be added before the official release
@@b4dm0ni i was joking. :/
@@firework0097 yeah but to do that the employees/executives from blizzard need more breast milks to fix the issues
I love how blizzard is trying to sell the same game again for full price. Thanks Blizzard we’re truly blessed! ☺️🙏🏻🙏🏻
not the same game. beta release is free
ow 1 is free to play now tho
@@izbacks4860 of course do want to pay for the beta too bootlicker?
None of this, ow 2 it's just a major update, it will be free
🙏🏻🙏🏻 Bless!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
You wanna know how you actually play Overwatch?
1) Open it up
2) Realize an event is going on
3) Play only for the limited time skins
4) Rage for every game that you play
5) Leave the game until the next time you open it
I don't play Overwatch but I LOVE the lore and animated shorts, I wish Blizzard made an Animated Overwatch in a similar vein to Arcane.
0:55 you're right you're not just saying "Tf2 good, Overwatch bad" because instead you're saying "Tf2 perfection, Overwatch irritating"
Calling TF2 a perfect game is honestly laughable. To this day, people will still argue about random crits and Sniper
@@ethereal231 well its the closest thing we've got to a perfectly balanced casual fps, other than scorch shot pyro.
@@malikaf9039 Scorch Shot isn't even that bad. I can name a few other weapons that are more deserving of the term "overpowered"
Soda-Popper, Crit-o-Cola, Phlog, Iron Bomber, Tomislav (debatable, but many consider it a direct upgrade to stock), Sandvich (shotguns bad, other food weak), Wranger, Short Circuit on a payload cart, Gunslinger (controversial), Vaccinator, Bazaar Bargain, Machina, Danger Shield, and the Diamondback
This is also in addition to Sniper as a whole and how on certain maps he's pretty much unstoppable.
@@ethereal231 what happens is that when you get obliterated in tf2 there’s still a chance you had an absolute blast giving up and going trolldier.
He literally said TF2 has problems bro. What he did say is that TF2 is still really fun despite having problems, unlike Overwatch.
Yes but it’s very funny getting threats for playing a certain hero
The only issue i have is with bastions, and if i do i just switch to roadhog or sombra or a good enough hero to deal with him.
Hanzo/Genji
That first few months of overwatch was extremely fun to me because even in the competitive mode, everyone was having fun and doing their best. Casual was really fun because people were more experimental, and you had a lot of memers just doing their own thing. As time went on, the community got worse, the balance got worse, and then the company got worse. I have no issue with esports, but every game I have seen that tries to be competitive, the casual audience leaves because the developers don't want to appeal to them at all.
What balance changes have been made that you didn't like? I always thought things improved over time, Brig isn't completely broken anymore, GOATS doesn't really exist, and that fucking Scatter Arrow Hanzo had is gone.
@@torpid5092 when I stopped playing, brig was the newest hero, and a little while after, tanks were nearly useless. Dps was king. So I stopped playing before brig was nerfed, and hanzo’s arrow was removed. Mercy was also completely taken a dump on with constant nerfs whether they made sense or not.
As someone who usually played tanks and the occasional healer, it got boring. I did hear it got a lot better later, and last year I heard it was in its best state, but I didn’t really have any interest I playing again. Even though the tank meta ruled the game.
Season 1 and 2 was when I had the most fun, despite 1 being ruled by Genji. It was more tolerable then because Winston at the time was underrated, despite being a direct counter. I will fully admit that I have rose tinted glasses though.
@@torpid5092 the game isn’t balanced at all , stop this nonsense already .
- Makes a sequel to a game
-Make it so simular you can crossplay with people playing the first one
-Profit
2:20 long term OW Mercy main here. Did a lot of this in the beginning, learned to just kind of remind myself it’s a game and if I’m genuinely not having fun I’ll take a break and do some self care.
as an avid overwatch player, every point you made was correct.
I will forever be scared by overwatch because when I was playing it on my xbox my mom had a strange heart issue and had to go to the hospital. I never touched it again thinking it was an "unlucky" game
holy shit dude that sucks
Goes to show you that even watching someone play overwatch can raise your blood pressure to dangerous levels
How is your family doing now? I hope everything is fine
@@buddy2668 Perfectly fine. haven't had any issues since then which I am grateful for
I have to agree with Foekoe,I played Overwatch once and never again because on how annoying the stunts are really, and how good the players just end up killing me 2 minutes after I respawned. I only played it for 10 minutes and it got boring like really quickly.
Actually staying alive for 2 minutes is pretty good, that's 5 deaths per 10 minutes and my deaths per 10 minutes is like 6.25 or something.
What really grinded my gears was how they released a balancing update about every 2 weeks. Sometimes the meta would completely shift which was just annoying.
I think my biggest gripe with Overwatch is that the gameplay is so rigid and the game is on rails. There is NO REAL CUSTOMIZATION, you have a set character, a set load-out and the ONLY thing that you can change is RIGID SKINS. Also you can't play for fun, you are forced to sweat for the win. TF2 is sandbox and fun, it can be competitive. Overwatch is a sweatfest, you win or hate the time you spent, no in between. [TF2 released in 2007, Overwatch 2016]
-You have to have a full team.
-You can get locked out of the character you want to play, locking it for others if you do play it.
-You are forced to work as a team, but in most games the match is so clearly one-sided and it becomes a sweaty mess.
-You can't switch things up, without changing class.
-You have to play for objective and to win (hear me out).
In TF2 you join a server with like 4 people in it and have the time of your life in a myriad of ways to test yourself against people, be social or generally have a good lark. Unbalanced teams (in terms of skill) doesn't matter because most people go looking to pick fights and socialize instead of sewating objective like a trained monkey EVERY match all-day-every-day. If you want to play to win, there's plenty of servers that are ran for competitive game play and with the game being somewhat open-source communities are free to balance the entire gameplay to their server. More often than not, the instances where you and an enemy are duking it out in the middle of a warzone is so fun that dying to your opponent doesn't leave you with a salty taste in your mouth, you wanna rush back and claim revenge. These instances of 1v1's is far far different to 1v1's in Overwatch, because you're not forced to push ahead and the maps are so big with multiple paths and weird side rooms that a full lobby in TF2 is more you looking to pick a fight, not push objective or do anything to win, but just to skirmish and revel in the chaotic fun that TF2 is.
TF2 is a different breed of game, every player on each side has their own custom agenda: *Get a tonne of kills with my cursed claymore so I can move really fast and one shot people*, *find the largest group of players and bombard them*, *look for people to stab in the back as a spy, not because it furthers my team, but because it's funny and I want to practice my janky trickstabs*.
Overwatch FORCES you to do objective and win, or you feel like you wasted your time, losing in TF2 doesn't mean anything, in Overwatch it's a shit and inevitable fate, you will eventually lose and you'll hate it.
EVERYTHING IS SO FORCED, they even publicly released "inclusive point system" to show us how "unique" a character is by the colour of their skin and where they fall on what spectrum, it's the most grievous thing I ever witnessed.
Some of the characters are directly plagiarized from TF2 directly, with as little change as possible (probably to use TF2 and their design as a medium ton try leech players to Overwatch as "comfort" characters resembling ones they already knew well and respected. You know Medic players will try Mercy from the fact she is a healer who uses a medical laser beam and has the same low-power personal offensive arms (a syringe gun and a small automatic pistol that functions the same).
There's so many dull characters that have no sense of humor or real qualities other than "I must do my duty for all is good and right, blah, blah f***ing blah", their only defining trait of trying to be an unachievable paragon of human kindness...
In TF2, yes all of the characters have a VERY stereotypical nature, but they have their own unique character. They have quirks, they express joy in all manner of ways other than the generic cheering of the Overwatch robots.
The story of the TF2 characters is compelling, Overwatch characters are just generic cookie cutter entities that have no real depth, sure they rushed out comics and media, but there's no soul.
TF2 is about three brothers vying over a family legacy and two of them squandering their money fighting over nothing, bringing the playable characters into their petty squabbles.
Overwatch is about cookie cutter global defense team vs terrorists...
The Overwatch characters are bland and boring, designed to be churned out to fill up a big roster as a selling point, all of them with pages of awkwardly cliche/plagiarized backstories that are printed from thin air, each as tedious to read as the last.
TF2 has 9 characters, with a good spread of roles and versatile so you can customize your play style. The fashion is far more in-depth in TF2 as you can mix and match pieces for a theme or fun. In Overwatch, you just get pre-made skins they shovel out designed to eclipse the last so you fork over your cash chasing 1% drops.
TF2 does have really expensive rare variants, but for pennies you can grab an assortment of fun things and weapons.
TF2 has a lot of really cool customization depth.
TF2 lest you play cool community made game modes that transcends other shooters. One game is a player that is mega powerful and fast that literally 1v30's that actually seems well balanced as either side can win fisably. One is a zombie game mode, there is prop-hunt and death run. There are also official game modes such as a robot defense mode and the like.
Every Overwatch side game-mode fails utterly to innovate at all and just seems to try recycle the same concepts superficially without bringing anything new.
I think part of the problem is that despite taking a lot of inspiration from Team Fortress 2, Blizzard thought the idea of switching heroes would be groundbreaking enough to not also take the customization options from TF2.
In TF2 each merc has multiple different weapons and gadgets that can completely change your playstyle and strengths and weaknesses in ways that would make 2 different loadouts feel completely different.
Meanwhile in Overwatch each hero has one set of abilities that is the same every time, and if you like a hero but want to have a slightly different playstyle, too bad. It wouldn't be so much of a problem if each hero was well designed enough to work in multiple playstyles and comps, but that's not the case. Most heroes have a very specific role along with counters that can be incredibly one sided forcing you to swap.
Ironically, most of the time you can't even switch heroes because of the metas and the fact that 90% of the ults are so busted and swapping heroes resets your ult progress there's no incentive to do so. It's usually better to wait it out until you get your ult to swap to a hero better suited for the neutral game, and that makes the game really frustrating if you are getting rolled early on since there isn't much you can do to turn it around besides hope you can out Q press their Q presses.
I can't agree with the first part tho, ofc every hero has its own set of abilities just like many games but since there are so many heroes to choose from, unlike TF2, your playstyle is actually more dependent and influenced by your team comp, and their team comp, which is one of the things I find interesting about it, or you are a soldier that keeps with the team and supports its healers or a soldier that just flanks to get kills on their healers
@@diogoferreira7427 but then the problem becomes that single person who won’t play as a team. Making your entire team weaker and then you lose
@@jayedgar1384 The difference being that in TF2, any 1 person has the entire power to shift the balance if he plays well around his loadout and current situation. If your team is bad but want to play medic? Have fun with Battle Medic with Blutsauger.
If all of the ults are overpowered doesn't that mean none of the ults are overpowered?
Also if you didn't lose ultimate charge on hero swap, you could just play Tracer, farm ult in 30 seconds, and then swap to Sigma or Zarya. That would be utterly broken.
@@torpid5092 some are likely bound to be more overpowered than others
to be honest, when the game came out, I played the game and loved it. But ever since the competitive scene died, I kinda lost interest. Not because I thought the game was bad, but because I was burned out. Yes it has problems, every game does. You mentioned the main ones. But I still like overwatch, and I do agree to an extent that the game is somewhat unplayable.
The comp scene isn't dead, there's still a lot of money in it when you compare it to other AAA games with comp scenes, it's just not at it's peak because the casual audience is gone.
the hottest take in this entire video was foekoe saying garden opps was a bad gamemode
i loved garden opps so much but whenever i go back to gw2 every now and then, no-one plays the opps anymore
@@JohnPetroleum idk I guess some people just don't really like ops that much
ive played both the pve from overwatch and garden ops and i can safely say that garden ops is 5 times better in every way
Nobody at Blizzard has thought about Zenyatta in 5 years
I think DougDoug has made the best description of Overwatch.
"Playing Overwatch is like you are making a gourmet cake. If everyone does what they are supposed to do, then it will be the best cake ever, but if someone is doing something not good, it will taste awful, because that guy is refusing to not eat hanzoreos "
Overwatch developers watching poeple use their character models for r34 porn:
Literally my only interation with overwatch in the last 3 years
Funny, a lot of the stuff you mentioned where addressed in the beta.
It’s a lot less team focused, ever ability you mentioned except roadhog got toned down. It was actually quite nice.
>6v6 is now 5v5
>"less team focused"
Uh what
@@rexyproductions1661 its less about hugging ur tanks and more about independent actions
>being this dumb
2 less tanks with reworks to hero kits and how their roles function as well as the removal of 2CP does a lot for how the game plays.
So yes, it is less “team focused” with more room to make individual plays while still having the capability to work together. Not difficult to understand
Garden Ops can be quite fun if play on crazy difficulty, plus if you have some friends so you can form a proper strategy.
i will say from a casual perspective i completely agree its just too frustrating, but as someone who like the competitive aspect when your team is actually working together and people are actually counter picking and everything clicks (which almost never happens) its truly something
0:38 Im so happy to see that you are in on this! I really do appreciate you now more than I already did
All I'm gonna say about barriers is that if TF2 had barriers you would not be getting bot-clicked right now. Stuns exist to stop mobile characters from ruining everything. You think them pressing E is bad, just wait till you get W pressed on you.
Yep
Sniper is not a very mobile class
If the bots were picking scout they wouldn't be nearly as able to ruin the game for everyone else
Sure, a mobile character controlled by a good player can wreak havoc, but that takes a lot of skill. Counterplay should involve at least some level of skill as well, otherwise what's the point of getting good?
Counterpoint: TF2 was designed to be played with other players in mind, not against aimbots.
Moreover, besides Scout (which is the designated mobile class of the game), the TF2 mercs have limited extra mobility options which often come at a significant cost.
@@Supershadow301 The mobility is surprisingly generous since most forms of it come from sacrificing HP or damage endurance to go zoom. If you somehow outplay the enemy team hard enough to offset the survivability you lose, what's the downside?
@@ED-gw9rg The downside is survivability, but sure if you omit it, then there's no downside.
Let's take rocketjumping for example. Without it, soldiers are barely more mobile than heavies.
A simple rocketjump takes away 30-45 HP off a soldier's health (without gunboats nor accounting for fall dmg), which brings him down to 170HP (or less, because of fall damage), enough to die to 2 well-aimed rockets at medium range (~90 dmg on a direct hit) instead of 3.
That makes up for barely 1 extra second of survivability, but that's enough to fire an extra rocket and potentially kill the enemy before they kill you (assuming neither of you miss).
Another downside is firepower. Most equipments that make rocketjumping easier makes the soldier weaker(less damaging rocketlaunchers deal less damage to enemies ; the blackbox heals you but has less ammo (aka less firepower) ; the gunboats (or the concheror) remove your secondary weapon ; at the extreme, the rocketjumper lets you zoom around the map if you know the jumps, but you don't have a rocketlauncher).
Finally, you need enough skill to outset the loss of survivability. Not every soldier knows the particular techniques to jump higher/farther or to airstrafe effectively, or the ways to chain jumps to make you truly go zoom around the map. And even then, you have to actually put those to use.
I feel like a big problem with Overwatch is it's trying to be a MoBA and TF2 at the same time, and the two ideas just conflict with each other.
It gets further exemplified by the fact that the game was made all about "playing as your favorite character" but then you get only 2 DPS picks out of like 20 characters and you're competing with your team just to play the way you want. (Which may not even be a hero helpful to the team, too bad if you like playing them.)
Compare with TF2 where if you like playing Pyro and so does someone else you can just have 4 Pyros on your team and have a big old Pyro party and it's not even really a bad thing.
I mean of course even in TF2 you still want some team comp diversity, but the point being you can main 1 or 2 classes in that game without harming your team in the process instead of having the case of "I like to play Tracer!" and playing Tracer will cause your team to lose because she gets hard countered by the enemy team. (I know I'm kind of rambling at this point.)
that´s why i hate MOBAs, you are getting forced too much into playing the meta or getting kicked by your team
Hero restrictions only exist in Quick Play and role queue Competetive, which exists to stop everybody from picking one hero and ruining the match. I don't know about you but I did not enjoy trying to combat 8 Engineers in TF2 so I'd rather not fight 6 Roadhogs in Overwatch.
@@torpid5092 That's such a rare situation that I don't recall that happening even once since I started playing in 2010. And I'm sure it's a big old party whenever that happens in-game, at that point everyone's probably playing a completely different meta, half the team just hanging out with the half of the enemy team and having taunt fests
Overwatch 2 is just 7 hours into the future
2:34 Seeing the Braton Prime reloaded from the 1st person view is the most cursed shit I've seen all week.
love when people complain about role q when there is option to play open q faster. Like you dont like it, you have different option to not play it but you decide to play it anyways just to complain, how dumb is that?
i always had a problem with overwatch and i dont think overwatch 2 will be any better
Same Game, Same Price
Shittier Graphics
@@wil.entity oh shut up please, then you say you were only joking? Let me laugh, the pvp is free, we don't know the price yet, and the only thing that will be paid will be the pve and the graphics will actually be better
@@diogoferreira7427 I am legitimately joking, it’s like most of the comment section and what a lot of people have said in response.
I’m not being serious I know there is another stuff being added.
Also paying for better graphics isn’t a good thing, and trust me the game is gonna be like 60 bucks.
@@diogoferreira7427 bro, why are you paying for better graphics that can just be an update.
@@wil.entity OW2 PvP will be free IF you already own OW1. The OW2 PvE will cost money, even if you already have OW1 PvP.
I was so sad to see this franchise crumble. It really could’ve been something.
I remember genuinely enjoying Overwatch in its first two years and loving a lot of the content made at the time but good god it became a slog to play and would just devolve into toxicity in most matches I would join. Some characters were just legitimately useless for a while and would flip-flop from having decently balanced abilities to useless ones that become mediocre after the next balance changes.
They already threw OW2 in the ditch by having the beta playable for like a week and then just making it exclusive to the Overwatch league. Given the speed of everything, it’s going to be this way for a whole year.
the biggest contribution on OW is on rule34
Loved Overwatch back in the day. Even got into plat on season 2 and played it for like 3 years. I could deal with the annoying stun, since you got used to it after a while and there were ways to counter them. What mostly killed it for me was bringing comp to quick play. I was mainly a casual player, only touching comp maybe once a week or so with some buddies. To have to roll queue when I just want to play a quick game was infuriating. Especially since I was a dps main.
Since role queue is back in overwatch 2, I'm gonna treat it like it got a restraining order on me!
then play quick play classic in arcade mode you dingus
I truly believe adding role queue to quick play was the worse change they ever made
@@Spoogebro how ?
1:42 true funny part is that 3/4 of these abilities are removed in Overwatch 2
And most of them are replaced with variations that are still equally broken.
McCree one-shotting every squishy within breathing range. Doomfist literally flying with almost no cooldowns AND has a tanking ability. Hog becoming even more polarizing due to one-shotting in a 5v5. Everyone who didn't receive revamps are just screwed.
@@inplane9970 Well, Doomfist was only broken for like the first week of season 2. After that he got nerfed back to being as viable as diarrhea.
The most fun I had with Overwatch where the first few months before comp was added. The good old days of a full team of Torbs on attack fighting a full team of Reinhardts on defense.
They promised not to put paid dlc in Overwatch.
That's why they release Overwatch 2 with nearly nothing.
Because it won't be "overwatch" anymore.
I like how the garden warfare imp is a Dva on steroids
4:45 as an overwatch fan
Everything you said was completely right
I think the major difference between Overwatch and TF2 is - as mentioned - the stun moves.
In TF2, Scout had a stun with the Sandman which was very quickly nerfed into the ground and Scout was given a slap across the face for even daring to touch the Sandman after that. Yeah, Pyro has airblast and explosions can knock you around, but you can pretty easily counter that with good movement and gamesense. The only other actual stuns are with taunt kills, and I mean, come on - you *walked* into that Huntsman Sniper's taunt kill.
In Overwatch, if an enemy roadhog, mccree, rein, ana, etc. exists, you can't do anything about their stun moves and just get locked into it until they decide they're done with you. There's an enemy Mei? Haha and you thought Phlog Pyros were bad.
Also Ultimates are horrible to fight against because certain heroes get an instakill button with very little counterplay. It's like if every mercenary in TF2 could pop uber and kritz for 8 seconds after getting a few kills.
There is counterplay to avoiding all those abilities but it's more about game sense like in a moba than trying to just strafe and dodge like you would in tf2.
"very quickly nerfed into the ground"
it took 8 YEARS for the sandman to get nerfed lmao
I played the overwatch 2 beta and the changes big and small to me at least were fun the biggest problem was lack of new content but thats hopefully because its just a beta
Role queue 100% killed this game for me. I'm not waiting 20 minutes to play a dps character. Overwatch had it's issues before, but once they added the role queue stuff that was it.
Ngl overwatch r34 has been more active than Blizzard and rather better quality models
I personally enjoy Overwatch because of the workshop. You can legit make whatever you want. It's so much fun for me at least.
Well, people ARE making whatever they want in TF2. There's mods that transform the gameplay into Mario Kart, Warioware, 30 vs 1 boss modes, single-player puzzles, story modes, 2D jump and runs...
But, despite all that freedom, it's hard to get into learning how to create scripts and/or custom maps and models. In that sense, Overwatch is better for people who just like to casually create something. But the mods in TF2 are more enjoyable for everyone, Overwatch workshop stuff was pretty garbage when I tried it on release and creations were very limited. I doubt that changed but I really haven't played it ever again other than back when it came out
Literally any ability that stuns or freezes a player is f*cking awful and shouldn't exist.
Full stop
Good thing pretty much all of them are being removed
I strongly disagree, it is vital to counter highly mobile characters that would run you over.
@@PlatinumAltaria true, but also highly mobile characters like tracer have low health pools for a reason.
Mechanics that stun players are not fun to play against.
@@PlatinumAltaria yep thats why zen was dead instantly in the first patch of the beta becuz brig was dog and well the main help for zen not being abel to stop dives did hurt
@@erraticdirector2828 it is not fun to just have some guy drop on you and you cant even hit em
Overwatch was so much fun when it came out, but when the cracks started to show when people optimized it felt like they made every mistake possible. I still think the game can be fun, but I can’t imagine trying to play it like I used to
I'm surprised you didn't mention the fact that this game is so overloaded with bright visual effects that half of the time it's hard to understand what's even going on on the screen and who's where.
But I wish it was better. Character design of this game is fantastic.
Overwatch just feels so strict on how you’re allowed to play it sucks the fun out of it. After a while the matches tend to blend together in your head and there is nothing that leaves me wanting to come back.
2:07 I don't like overwatch either but it's not like any of these abilities kill you faster than a sniper headshot or demo crit in TF2
As a Paul who is out there, mcree's rename made me very happy :)
Especially since I've never played the game
as a person who plays overwatch, and played ow2, its actually really nice all the changes that they made
@OctoOOZ well, I mean, sexually abusing then women at the workplace takes time y'know?
TF2 is less a "Hero" shooter and is more of class based shooter. Which I think is part of it's advantage over uh... Overwatch.
9 self explanatory classes that anyone can pick up and play but take a long time to master vs. I don't even know anymore characters that have their own gimmick that that few understand how to use effectively (Even then, some are just blatantly better than others) and no one can master because there is nothing to master.
overwatch can be summed up in 1 way: you can literally go 49-5... and still the lose the game and be blamed for the loss.
The thing with Overwatch 2, from what I understand - is that it's not even a sequel, but a DLC with the most glaringly stupid name possible
Since the PVP component of OW2 will apparently be a free update for OW1 (because the engine stayed the same) and only the PvE will be paid - it means that OW2 is actually effectively only the "story mode" update, except with a dumbass marketing tactic.
It's like if the Heavy Update released for TF2, adding items for Heavy, and Valve decided to rename the game Team Fortress 3. Moronic.
@@dppjirachi I know, but I remembered that they did say something about OW2 being more story-oriented... and because it feels redundant when the PvE will probably have the same engine and also reuse a ton of assets
@@chaotic6107 the engine is the same, but heavily updated. PvE in OW1 sucks, it'll be expanded in OW2
So dissapointed in Battle for Neighborville. PVZ GW2 still slaps
Reject Overwatch and return to TF2
Real
we fucking cant
The thing about Overwatch was that games you won were really fun, and games you lost felt terrible the whole way through. In TF2 you could have fun no matter how much your team sucked, it didn't feel like winning was conducive to having a good time. I guess that's the difference between a competitive game and a casual one, so what I take from this is that we need more casual games, because they are just generally more fun. What's the point of competing if it isn't as fun?
Average Tf2 enjoyer vs Average Overwatch Fan
Reject Overwatch return to GW2
yes, reject roadhog return to allstar
And even my underrated boi rugby star the first character I ever mastered
Hey you should try playing this game called Deep rock Galatic, it’s pretty fun with yo to like 4 people and it’s pretty chaotic and has amazing music
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Rock and stone brothers!
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Ever since role queue I've played the game like 3 times
Relatable
Overwatch is a game that got progressively WORSE over time. Such baffling gameplay decisions, balancing, and frustrating hero introductions.
Honestly I don't think Overwatch can ever be fixed, because you can get mad at anything at this point. I mean, I uninstalled it 5 times already, but I keep coming back cause I'm addicted, that's all. It's been YEARS since I last enjoyed this shit. My main heroes keep getting nerfed, while others get unnecessary buffs (ahem* Sombra). OW2 is just a lazy effort to try to keep it alive after years of lack of new content. It's like trying apply perfume on a piece of dry shit. It's NOT GONNA WORK. The only real solution is to find other games to play :(
*I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS !!!*
Pvz GardenOps is the best PvE ever ! How could Foekoe say it is bad !
No one will stop us
4:10 But…. I like garden ops
same, 10 times better than that garbage ow pve
Same
same
I've been playing ow since 2016. Even though the ow2 beta didnt have a lot of content at face value, it plays so differently and i literally cant go back to the first game now, with the future betas etc the pvp is gonna shine im sure.
I hope too! I've been meaning to get into OW since 2016, but I never could because of simply how the game worked. OW2 however felt much better somehow which made me download the first one and then delete it within 2 hours of playing again lmao. I am guessing that it could actually be from the fact it's 5v5 and not 6v6, idk I am not good at the game to say for sure.
@@crsorsmth5113 its that and a bunch of other changes like the reduction of hard stuns etc that just make the game more enjoyable and allows you to have more impact.
@@KatNat64 I see, I was sure that stuns were rarer in the second game, I just thought it was a coincidence. Really looking forward to OW2 then, I hope it's better than Overwatch 1 ever was!
I love the fact that you touch upon the competitive side of OW, as a quickplay/arcade enjoyer myself, I hate the amount of sweaty players with platinum/gold banners that come to the more casual side of OW, play qpc and absolutely melt newcomers with the most annoying heroes just to get their boxes for the week which happens almost 90% of the time for me. I started OW around 3 months ago and it's honestly so hard to get a win streak nowadays because of these types of people. Honestly, they should stay on comp (where they belong tbh.)
I'm thankful that there seems to be another player out there (who plays casually) sharing their honest opinion of this game and how much of a struggle it is just to get a good, fluent, exhilarating and fun game.
(Looking at the Genji main and Ana nano duo in particular.)
TF2
quality over quantity
Overwatch: MORE HEROS, MORE!
Complaining about Overwatch chat being immature suggest you have never played tf2
I have over 250 hours on Overwatch, and 1.5 on TF2 and I can safely say TF2 is OBJECTIVELY better.
Before you criticize me for poor choices, I bought Overwatch when it first came out because all my friends got it. Then, they all ditched it and I quit it too. Then I got another friend group who played it, and then they ditched it. Then they came back, and they ditched it again. So over the course of 3 major eras I accumulated all that wasted time. The worst part is that I never liked it. I only had fun maybe 3 games out of all that time.
I got to play some TF2 at a friends house a few years ago, and as soon as I get an actual gamer-level PC I'm totally playing it, even if it's in a rough spot now.
It's amazing just how much tf2 stands above this game in spite of the abominable state it's in right now
Wanna know something?
Tf2 n Paladins still alive more than Ow
That also they was bullied by ow
For tf2 "im the tf2 killer!"
For paladins "is ow ripoff"
Both games still alive more than the shitty ass game who bullied them
Tf2 still alive with their comunity n ye have the bot problems but that doesnt stop them
Paladins have more than 50 original champs n better story, not the best but its more deep than ow
Also i can admit that valorant is ow but better development
OW is actually playable and TF2 is a roll of the dice to see if you can actually play in a server. TF2 is in a is in the worse state it's ever been in.
I remember the time i had to wait at least 2 hours waiting for a game to start
no joke
This game never even made sense from a story perspective. The heroes are going to rescue the world from evil…by killing each other over and over again (?)
I think the in game battles aren't canon, most of the in game stories actually came from the map. Like kings row, where the cart is an EMP bomb heading toward the place the omnics (robot peoples) live in.
Honestly Blizzard kinda missed the huge lore opportunity in the game, but I don't have my hopes up. 💀
as a former overwatch fan i respect this video i just want to let you know i feel sad that overwatch and other team based shooters crumble
Dude pve in pvzgw2 and 1 is cool, moderately liked that mode.
The thing that really bothers me about Overwatch is injecting your entire clip into a guy but they're still on near-full health because they pressed the "free heals" or the "free resistances" button. In TF2 you can have the beefiest max HP Heavy known to man but he will still be vulnerable to one good shotgun, backstab or headshot.
I don't have that problem you should focus on bursting people before they can be healed like you would in TF2, if your just unloading your clip onto tanks all day you probably have a bad angle or your targeting tanks when you could be killing the 200 hp squishes. In tf2 you don't really have bad angles in the same way you would in Overwatch.
@@lilwintery6434 If the game was as easy as "which team has more dps to kill the tank wins" the game would suck tremendously and not make it out of beta.. Thats a stupid mindset.
@@doug2555 Its not what team has more dps to kill the tank. It's about finding angles the tank isn't covering so you can kill the team around the tank. Your punished with less ult charge for shooting the tank. So the right play 90% of the time isn't to just pump dps into the tank if you will lose the team fight because the enemy team will have killed the targets that actually matter .
It's an fps with flanking, cover and sightlines it's not about being an unstoppable bullet sponge and standing out in the open and taking all the damage head on.
Which is bizarre since Foekoe is complaining that there are too many ways to die too quickly in the game.
Idk everyone will have a different issue with the game I guess.
@@lilwintery6434 Not about the tanks. An example that sorta explains what I mean is at 2:39.
Echo (a DPS hero) gets the drop on a completely unprotected Bastion. So Foekoe gets a few shots onto him, stickybombs him, injects the laser beam into him, then fires *another* few shots, yet the bastion never drops below his armour bar.
If he went onto 50% hp, sure, okay. If he was on 75% then that's still bad but whatever. But his health doesn't even go past yellow. The Mercy isn't healing him, he's not been protected by his teammates, he's just holding right-click and blindly walking in a straight line.
"the enemy presses one button and you die" Your honor League of legends
It makes me happy to see someone actually acknowledge GW2.
And yeah PvE there is hella boring.
The thing that truly ruined OW for me and my friends was the introduction of the 1 character usage per team rule into casual, no more 6 stack Torb/Junk/Lucio shenanigans, and outside of that, it crippled creativity.
Role que ruined creativity to, like I get tired of healing the same 2 2 2 comps lol.
As someone who played the Beta, i have not had so much casual fun in a long time. I agree with all of your points about OW1, but in OW2, while the changes may feel minimal, the PvP has never felt so good! Much less stuns exist and there is slightly less focus on team play now. I almost can't go back to OW1 because of how much the beta has spoiled me.
Really good video! I got overwatch at launch and just kinda didn’t stop playing it so I never really get the perspective of someone with less hours. Just watching the footage you used you made so many easy mistakes that I was like “yeah of course you hate the game you suck” but then I realized that having 5 years of tech and strategy clogging your brain shouldn’t be a prerequisite to having fun. They really need to focus on the competitive less and just lean into being wacky
I love TF2's characters and lore a lot. But I haven't owned a PC until recently. So learning to play TF2 well enough to do anything is really hard. But it is funny how TF2 has "good toxicity" like spamming memes in voice chat, domination, and other clasic griefing. People can take a joke.
Overwatch has people who don't want to sweat in Competitive because they are afraid to lose rank. So everyone treats Quick Play like ranked and gets extremely heated. People get reported for practicing characters in Quick Play, but then people clearly don't know how to play their heroes in ranked.
If im being honest I agree with almost everything you said, there are times where I absolutely hate the game, but I always know im going to come back for more, its such a weird game that I cant help to love so much even though it hurts my soul so much