excellent idea.... if you're interested in making some darts for a .177 caliber air rifle, i suggest trying some of the inserts from those old push up pencils, the one's with the little sabo looking things inside that you pull out and push in through the rear to push the next fresh tip forward... anway, those things fit perfectly in my crosman f4... the cone ingages the rifling in the barrel and flies straight and accurately... if you want to bump up the lethality, remove the graphite tip and feed a small finishing nail in through the rear of the cone and put some glue or epoxy in the cone behind the head of the nail.... for some pyrotechnic fun, get yourself some of that vinyl tubing used as a gasket around most common window screens, put a toothpick in the hole and lightly kiss it with a lighter or some kind of heat source, just enough so you can roll it in your fingers, while still on the toothpick, and widen it just large enough to insert a lighter flint... if done correctly it should fit perfectly in the berral. they fly fast and even a glancing blow at any hard surface will send sparks flying....
to increase your accuracy cut the sides of the shell so it explodes full of air right after it leaves the barrel allowing the bbs to fully spread as they should :).
#6 or #8 lead shot works good, and they are smaller so more balls fit in the load. My 50 year old Co2 powered .380 caliber Crosman Trapmaster 1100 shoots plastic shells filled with 55 #6 or #8 chilled lead shot up to 450 fps. I made some .22 cal. shells like in this video, with notebook paper and I made little plastic wads. I didn't chronograph any yet, as I only made 5 shells, each loaded with a different ammo. I used my Crosman P1322 multi-pump pneumatic air pistol and it seemed to work quite well, well enough that I plan to make at least two dozen shells when I have a chance. I used #6 shot taken from one of my limited stash of original Crosman Trapmaster ammo, and just reloaded the empty .380 caliber Trapmaster shell with a single .375" lead roundball, which the Trapmaster Co2 shotgun shoots very well. I thoroughly enjoy this tiny ballistics lab channel, and I hope you make many more interesting and inspiring videos .
@@Appachoppa112 it would depend on what type and size of birds, as well as which type of pellet is used as projectile...using the right type of pellet will make a huge difference in how much muzzle energy is created. It's the energy that will take down game. Cylindrical shaped or bullet shaped pellets such as JSB Jumbo monster pellets or H&N Rabbit magnum 2 pellets, and even Gamo Lead Roundball will retain more energy downrange than a typical "skirted" lead pellets. The type of airgun also makes a difference as to whether you can shoot heavier pellets or not. CO2 and multi pump pneumatic pellet guns can be used to shoot heavier pellets to get higher muzzle energy, but spring piston airguns might get damaged by shooting heavier pellets with them. As for airguns with velocity under 500 fps, I think that .22 caliber is a better choice for any sort of pest and small game hunting. The pellets are larger and much heavier. The Crosman model 2240 CO2 pistol and the model 1322 multi pump pneumatic pistol are .22 cal air pistols that are very popular for shooting rats and other small game.
my goodness, I've got to try this out! I think that iam going to make .22cal shells. I already shoot a crosman trapmaster 1100 co2 shotgun and can use the tiny lead shot in those shells. I would love to shoot shot shells from my Crosman P1322!
VERY NICE, everybody and their cat is messing with experimental powder burners. Good to see a balistic experimentation chanel for the airgun enthusiast. I would love to see a larger caliber say .22 or .30 that keeps the groups down to 5 inches at 20 yards. Did this myself years ago but I wasn't smart enough to put a decent wad behind it. I used salt in a pistol for killing flies which worked well and was much more fun than a fly swatter.
how did you do the salt? I've been wondering about 4,5mm salt pellets...easy to load but they'll probably explode when shot so they'd effectively take down flies
I wanted to try making these, you just didnt show exactly how to assemble them. Very cool concept i just wish i could make them for myself. But great video
Thank you for the comment...I agree with you! I didn't yet own a microphone in those early episodes and I didn't want to add too much text. Now that I have my cheap mic, I promise I will do a full how-to episode on these shells very soon. I have a lot of other things to share as well. Thank you for watching!
Looks like you take some cleaning pellets, cut them into halves or quarters, wrap a cylinder of paper around one, put in your shot, put the other half/quarter cleaning pellet on top, and crimp the edge of the paper.
@@pigpeltTV the shells in this video are just rolled up paper with the ends folded over just make sure you leave a small opening on both sides so that the air goes through the shell and blasts the shot out instead of just flying in the shell
@@pigpeltTV i think he just put a wad in it like those cleaning pellets cut in half or something on the backside so that the wad will push the pellets out when you fire it then crimped the front to keep them from falling out (edit it said he used newspaper as a wad)
So basically you'll have to roll up a piece of paper into a tube that's the diameter of the barrel of your rifle cut it so that it will fit in your rifle put a wad of newspaper (or even tp it doesn't matter) in the bottom and crimp it so it doesn't fall out then load your shot into the shell then crimp the front so that the pellets don't fall out
When you redo these in a larger caliber...I would like to suggest that you make a airgun shot-shell with a clear shell that is loaded with Kosher Salt (or Himalayan Pink rock salt so it will look better visually), and throw some Dry Rub Marinade in the shell also for good measure, as a joke of course. This video makes me wish someone would build an Over-Under Air Rifle with .410 under barrel and a .22 magnum or .25 caliber top barrel.
If by "practical" you mean effective at killing things then these cartridges are NOT practical. IMO a 410 shotgun shell is the smallest practical shotgun (even shot from a pistol).
Dank Ear Rape i mean, it could probably take a small lizard near if not point blank range, probably even a house sparrow if you could get close enough, because i know a 4.5mm bb traveling 600fps can do both of those, and considering that these are going around 1000fps for sure it could kill if close enough
Gamo sold a rifle that shot little shotshells called the vipr they may even still sell it that can kill at 10 yds up to a squirrel there's also a brass insert that allows it to shoot pellets it's also probably not rifles as from experience with making little rice loads up for bugs in my home the pattern spirals
Not original. Way back in the 1970s used to load our air rifle and then slide 3 extra BBs in the barrel and it did 4x the damage to a tin can as what a single shot did. Only thing is you have to always keep the barrel raised 1-degree or more. Anything level or lower, they roll out. I will give you kudos for a cleaver way to keep ammo from rolling out.
In my 177 cal air BB/pellet gun, the bolt is magnetic. This keeps the bb from rolling out of the barrel before you shoot. The magnetic bolt will also hold 3 to 4 bb's at a time. I've been shooting my bb shotgun since the 70's. You can load more bb's than 4, but you need to be careful not to point the barrel down toward the ground because some of your bb's may roll out. The most I've ever shot at once is 10 bb's. 3 to 5 at one time does best.
Used to do this with my Daisy 880. Had a magnetic bolt probe too but I could only get 3 in there without them rolling out. Decent spread out to 10 yards and blew through soda cans
You just wasted a very expensive piece of balsa wood. Fun project no doubt though. Would be great to see how to make home brewed .50 air shotgun loads. The ammo for those is a real major rip!
if you cut out a little peice of paper and fill it with pencil led, then roll it to the right size, you can shoot people without serious hurting them, just make sure they arent a milk jug..
Hi, awesome science experiments. could I suggest a test for the Canadian and European viewers. May be a power test between the under 500fps( no PAL) vs the above 500fps( with PAL) Thanks.
You could also just load a cotton wad, push it in a little, add shot, then another wad. That way there's nothing extra, you don't have to worry about paper getting stuck in the barrel. Along the lines of loading a black powder rifle. Except you have the modern convenience of a break barrel. Wad/shot/wad.
Nice experiment. I've been thinking about something, though: what happens to the moderator and its sections if the cartridge breaks inside the barrel or inside the moderator itself? Won't the pellets damage the moderator of the air gun? At what distance were these shots taken? I think it'd be great if you tried the same with more pellets per cartridge and in .25 cal :) And also in an outdoors shooting range at, say 25-30 yards, so that we could see if those have hunting potential.
Cool, but imo that shot pattern isn't really practical for anything. I live in an apartment and during the summer I occasionally get spiders, roaches, and those disgusting house-centipedes. Bug sprays smell awful, you can miss, and chasing fast bugs while indiscriminately spraying all over the place isn't cool lol. I wouldn't even try that worthless "bug-asalt" thing. However, I used a homemade "salt-shell" in my Crosman pistol and 10 pumps literally vaporized one of those house centipedes. But salt is hard to work with and will eventually ruin the gun. So, I took some .45mm (.018 inch) small diameter steel wire and used wire cutters to cut roughly one millimeter pieces to use as shot. It's a lot of work, especially if you want a lot of "shells," but it works really well. You can do the same with staples if you dont have the small diameter wire. Then I used clear plastic straw for the casing. I cut them to around 3/4 inch long and then cut them lengthwise so they fold and roll into themselves and fit in the barrel. Once you have them to a .177 barrel friendly diameter you can tape them with scotch tape but the tape increases the diameter, so you'll have to actually fold the straw into itself so it's slightly less than .177 in diameter. It can be a pain in the ass trying to get them so they're not too tight and not loose in the barrel. I used cotton balls for wadding at both ends. In all honestly, the easiest way that also yields the same results, is to load like a muzzleloader with NO casing... Start with a wadding of your choice; cotton and tissue paper work well. Roll them into little balls and stuff one down barrel, not too tight, just enough to contain the shot material. You can use wire coat hangers to push the wadding down the barrel. Then pour whatever shot you're gonna use down the barrel; about one inch worth in the barrel. Finally, a second wad to hold in the shot. So it's wad, shot, wad. This way you dont have to hassle with a "casing" at all. You'll have to experiment with how much shot to use. Testing on aluminum foil is great to learn the shot-pattern at various distances. I got a shot patter of about a foot across at six feet from target.
I like glueing percussion caps onto my.22& .25 caliber pellets and if I can put black powder underneath the safety glasses 🥽 are always good whenever you witness the bounceback , , so use a large flat target 🎯 and eye 👁 or face protection whenever you’re doing stuff moms don’t approve of.
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I also tried 1/4 brass inserts for plumbing compression fittings…works perfectly as a shot shell hull for .177
excellent idea.... if you're interested in making some darts for a .177 caliber air rifle, i suggest trying some of the inserts from those old push up pencils, the one's with the little sabo looking things inside that you pull out and push in through the rear to push the next fresh tip forward... anway, those things fit perfectly in my crosman f4... the cone ingages the rifling in the barrel and flies straight and accurately... if you want to bump up the lethality, remove the graphite tip and feed a small finishing nail in through the rear of the cone and put some glue or epoxy in the cone behind the head of the nail.... for some pyrotechnic fun, get yourself some of that vinyl tubing used as a gasket around most common window screens, put a toothpick in the hole and lightly kiss it with a lighter or some kind of heat source, just enough so you can roll it in your fingers, while still on the toothpick, and widen it just large enough to insert a lighter flint... if done correctly it should fit perfectly in the berral. they fly fast and even a glancing blow at any hard surface will send sparks flying....
to increase your accuracy cut the sides of the shell so it explodes full of air right after it leaves the barrel allowing the bbs to fully spread as they should :).
Beautifully documented experiments...Interesting stuff indeed, thanks for posting!
#6 or #8 lead shot works good, and they are smaller so more balls fit in the load.
My 50 year old Co2 powered .380 caliber Crosman Trapmaster 1100 shoots plastic shells filled with 55 #6 or #8 chilled lead shot up to 450 fps.
I made some .22 cal. shells like in this video, with notebook paper and I made little plastic wads. I didn't chronograph any yet, as I only made 5 shells, each loaded with a different ammo.
I used my Crosman P1322 multi-pump pneumatic air pistol and it seemed to work quite well, well enough that I plan to make at least two dozen shells when I have a chance.
I used #6 shot taken from one of my limited stash of original Crosman Trapmaster ammo, and just reloaded the empty .380 caliber Trapmaster shell with a single .375" lead roundball, which the Trapmaster Co2 shotgun shoots very well.
I thoroughly enjoy this tiny ballistics lab channel, and I hope you make many more interesting and inspiring videos .
Is 450 fps fast enuff in .177 to take birds?
@@Appachoppa112 it would depend on what type and size of birds, as well as which type of pellet is used as projectile...using the right type of pellet will make a huge difference in how much muzzle energy is created. It's the energy that will take down game. Cylindrical shaped or bullet shaped pellets such as JSB Jumbo monster pellets or H&N Rabbit magnum 2 pellets, and even Gamo Lead Roundball will retain more energy downrange than a typical "skirted" lead pellets.
The type of airgun also makes a difference as to whether you can shoot heavier pellets or not.
CO2 and multi pump pneumatic pellet guns can be used to shoot heavier pellets to get higher muzzle energy, but spring piston airguns might get damaged by shooting heavier pellets with them.
As for airguns with velocity under 500 fps, I think that .22 caliber is a better choice for any sort of pest and small game hunting. The pellets are larger and much heavier. The Crosman model 2240 CO2 pistol and the model 1322 multi pump pneumatic pistol are .22 cal air pistols that are very popular for shooting rats and other small game.
my goodness, I've got to try this out!
I think that iam going to make .22cal shells.
I already shoot a crosman trapmaster 1100 co2 shotgun and can use the tiny lead shot in those shells.
I would love to shoot shot shells from my Crosman P1322!
It honestly sounds neat for snakes!!!! NGL
VERY NICE, everybody and their cat is messing with experimental powder burners. Good to see a balistic experimentation chanel for the airgun enthusiast. I would love to see a larger caliber say .22 or .30 that keeps the groups down to 5 inches at 20 yards.
Did this myself years ago but I wasn't smart enough to put a decent wad behind it. I used salt in a pistol for killing flies which worked well and was much more fun than a fly swatter.
I'm glad you like it! I'm going to certainly introduce a .22cal pretty soon. Haha, I like the salt bit!
how did you do the salt? I've been wondering about 4,5mm salt pellets...easy to load but they'll probably explode when shot so they'd effectively take down flies
That's was very cool in a nerdy way. Keep em coming.
Haha crazy stuff. No reason it shouldn't work. Use salt shot to kill flies.
If you have a .30 caliber air gun, cigarette tubes should fit perfectly. They even come with a built in wad!
I wanted to try making these, you just didnt show exactly how to assemble them. Very cool concept i just wish i could make them for myself. But great video
Thank you for the comment...I agree with you! I didn't yet own a microphone in those early episodes and I didn't want to add too much text. Now that I have my cheap mic, I promise I will do a full how-to episode on these shells very soon. I have a lot of other things to share as well. Thank you for watching!
Tiny Ballistics Lab thank you much appreciated
Looks like you take some cleaning pellets, cut them into halves or quarters, wrap a cylinder of paper around one, put in your shot, put the other half/quarter cleaning pellet on top, and crimp the edge of the paper.
Tiny Ballistics Lab still waiting my friend
again one of these ytbrs who doesn't keep his word. sad
Nice, but you forget the most important part, tell us how to do the shells.
Alex got it on the tube?
@@pigpeltTV the shells in this video are just rolled up paper with the ends folded over just make sure you leave a small opening on both sides so that the air goes through the shell and blasts the shot out instead of just flying in the shell
William Getzstoned and a primer or what?
@@pigpeltTV i think he just put a wad in it like those cleaning pellets cut in half or something on the backside so that the wad will push the pellets out when you fire it then crimped the front to keep them from falling out (edit it said he used newspaper as a wad)
So basically you'll have to roll up a piece of paper into a tube that's the diameter of the barrel of your rifle cut it so that it will fit in your rifle put a wad of newspaper (or even tp it doesn't matter) in the bottom and crimp it so it doesn't fall out then load your shot into the shell then crimp the front so that the pellets don't fall out
Good video, hate the music.
Good comment, hate the end.
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Tiny Ballistics Lab lol
@@TinyBallisticsLab lol
How do you make the paper shells?
When you redo these in a larger caliber...I would like to suggest that you make a airgun shot-shell with a clear shell that is loaded with Kosher Salt (or Himalayan Pink rock salt so it will look better visually), and throw some Dry Rub Marinade in the shell also for good measure, as a joke of course.
This video makes me wish someone would build an Over-Under Air Rifle with .410 under barrel and a .22 magnum or .25 caliber top barrel.
They sell air guns that do that to shoot flies with.
what an amazing channel!.....stumbled across you by chance :)x
Cool!
Knowing the distance you were shooting at would help to decide if it is practical.
If by "practical" you mean effective at killing things then these cartridges are NOT practical. IMO a 410 shotgun shell is the smallest practical shotgun (even shot from a pistol).
Small lizards, toads, and bullfrogs? Very close range.
So what was the distance then?
Dank Ear Rape i mean, it could probably take a small lizard near if not point blank range, probably even a house sparrow if you could get close enough, because i know a 4.5mm bb traveling 600fps can do both of those, and considering that these are going around 1000fps for sure it could kill if close enough
Do more experiments with various improvised projecticles. Darts bolts arrows etc.
How do you roll them to proper size and do you crimp them by hand?
Do you think a rifled barrel will get messed up from this
I use copper head BB's and rolling papers
Dang .... Everyone said my SNR357 Snub ... Miss Snubby could fire just about any .177
What range were the shots hitting the test items at? That was pretty cool😊♥️
Maybe not practical, but very fun and interesting
Ummmm they called rats.
Gamo sold a rifle that shot little shotshells called the vipr they may even still sell it that can kill at 10 yds up to a squirrel there's also a brass insert that allows it to shoot pellets it's also probably not rifles as from experience with making little rice loads up for bugs in my home the pattern spirals
Not original. Way back in the 1970s used to load our air rifle and then slide 3 extra BBs in the barrel and it did 4x the damage to a tin can as what a single shot did. Only thing is you have to always keep the barrel raised 1-degree or more. Anything level or lower, they roll out. I will give you kudos for a cleaver way to keep ammo from rolling out.
In my 177 cal air BB/pellet gun, the bolt is magnetic. This keeps the bb from rolling out of the barrel before you shoot. The magnetic bolt will also hold 3 to 4 bb's at a time. I've been shooting my bb shotgun since the 70's. You can load more bb's than 4, but you need to be careful not to point the barrel down toward the ground because some of your bb's may roll out. The most I've ever shot at once is 10 bb's. 3 to 5 at one time does best.
Really? Every kid with a begun has done this since they were invented. Good job telling us a lame story loser!
Used to do this with my Daisy 880. Had a magnetic bolt probe too but I could only get 3 in there without them rolling out. Decent spread out to 10 yards and blew through soda cans
Im completely aware that im three years late,but i wonder if i'll wore out the rifling of the barrel?
I don’t really know, but i wouldn’t recommend it either.
great videos just subscribed
Thank you! There's a lot more to come!
this is practically what we're all busted down to in mid November 2020. no ammo anywhere
I've done that before with the gun powder from shotgun shell and sealed it with wax. But never tested it for speed. Just more penetration in wood.
what diameter are those n9 shots , i have some 2mm i think n7 shot and trying to make shells for a .22 ar rifle what whould you recomend?
how did you make em I didn't see that part
What kind of tube?
I mean 1000 home made shotgun shells for airgun .25 cal .
How do you exactly make the .177 shotgun rounds for vid isn't that clear
Could they be used for squirrel hunting?
@Bob maming?
@Bob yes im a ceiling fan
What kind of air rifle is being used in this video?
does this work with break barrel spring airguns? amazing video btw! definitely subscribing to your channel.
literally mini shotgun blast
Are you sure that is 4.5 and not 22 ?
Wouldn't that scratch the inside of the barrel? Since you are using steel bb's...
I just musket load like 5 bbs and but stoch tape over the barrel
You just wasted a very expensive piece of balsa wood. Fun project no doubt though. Would be great to see how to make home brewed .50 air shotgun loads. The ammo for those is a real major rip!
if you cut out a little peice of paper and fill it with pencil led, then roll it to the right size, you can shoot people without serious hurting them, just make sure they arent a milk jug..
Probably would be pretty good in a .25 pcp gun
i got an umarex gauntlet 2 in .25 cal il give it a shot
You could make them ten grain total and have more shot
does it have to be a spring powerd gun or a Co2 gun
Which .177 air rifle you are using?
What did you use for the wadding
how do u think the pellets would go for hunting
Great channel! You got my sub
Thank you!
Hi, awesome science experiments. could I suggest a test for the Canadian and European viewers. May be a power test between the under 500fps( no PAL) vs the above 500fps( with PAL) Thanks.
Hello! Thank you for the compliment! I like the idea and I will be doing a very similar test to the one you described.
I'd Love to Know This as well. I use a Stoeger X-3 Tac (Canadian Edition Eh)
How do you make the mold
How do you make the little casing
I tried making these almost broke my Damon gun I recommend loading regular bb and then pouring in the birdshot
You could also just load a cotton wad, push it in a little, add shot, then another wad. That way there's nothing extra, you don't have to worry about paper getting stuck in the barrel. Along the lines of loading a black powder rifle. Except you have the modern convenience of a break barrel. Wad/shot/wad.
Nice experiment. I've been thinking about something, though: what happens to the moderator and its sections if the cartridge breaks inside the barrel or inside the moderator itself? Won't the pellets damage the moderator of the air gun? At what distance were these shots taken? I think it'd be great if you tried the same with more pellets per cartridge and in .25 cal :) And also in an outdoors shooting range at, say 25-30 yards, so that we could see if those have hunting potential.
You are more than welcome, friend; keep up the good work, we'll be expecting more nice videos from you :)
Nice video, im going to try this. I'm curious if it will punch a bigger hole up close!
It would be nice if you can sell these online.
Can anyone link a video that shows these being made?
We really enjoyed this. What country are you in?
What was the test gun?
Could you show a .22
wow cool
How do you make the wad
Can u show us to make the paper shells
How tou make
Srill can't find how exactly he made these...
What .177 air gun is that
Cool, but imo that shot pattern isn't really practical for anything. I live in an apartment and during the summer I occasionally get spiders, roaches, and those disgusting house-centipedes. Bug sprays smell awful, you can miss, and chasing fast bugs while indiscriminately spraying all over the place isn't cool lol.
I wouldn't even try that worthless "bug-asalt" thing. However, I used a homemade "salt-shell" in my Crosman pistol and 10 pumps literally vaporized one of those house centipedes. But salt is hard to work with and will eventually ruin the gun. So, I took some .45mm (.018 inch) small diameter steel wire and used wire cutters to cut roughly one millimeter pieces to use as shot. It's a lot of work, especially if you want a lot of "shells," but it works really well. You can do the same with staples if you dont have the small diameter wire. Then I used clear plastic straw for the casing. I cut them to around 3/4 inch long and then cut them lengthwise so they fold and roll into themselves and fit in the barrel. Once you have them to a .177 barrel friendly diameter you can tape them with scotch tape but the tape increases the diameter, so you'll have to actually fold the straw into itself so it's slightly less than .177 in diameter. It can be a pain in the ass trying to get them so they're not too tight and not loose in the barrel. I used cotton balls for wadding at both ends. In all honestly, the easiest way that also yields the same results, is to load like a muzzleloader with NO casing... Start with a wadding of your choice; cotton and tissue paper work well. Roll them into little balls and stuff one down barrel, not too tight, just enough to contain the shot material. You can use wire coat hangers to push the wadding down the barrel. Then pour whatever shot you're gonna use down the barrel; about one inch worth in the barrel. Finally, a second wad to hold in the shot. So it's wad, shot, wad. This way you dont have to hassle with a "casing" at all. You'll have to experiment with how much shot to use. Testing on aluminum foil is great to learn the shot-pattern at various distances. I got a shot patter of about a foot across at six feet from target.
Does anybody know what rifle that is
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What distance
Take my money lol
Bro how to make mini paper sells
But the rifling 😬😬😬
I know this is old but for future development, note the rifling throws the shot pattern wider
Stop the music I would have subbed
Gun name ?
Thats a Benjamin Phoenix NP
Didnt show us anything!!!!
Hi
I like glueing percussion caps onto my.22& .25 caliber pellets and if I can put black powder underneath the safety glasses 🥽 are always good whenever you witness the bounceback , , so use a large flat target 🎯 and eye 👁 or face protection whenever you’re doing stuff moms don’t approve of.
Please make a proper video how to assemble these shells
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Unwatchable! Please no music. Please just narrate .
How's it loaded main breach end or plugged down the barrel ??
How do you make the shell