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- Yanis Varoufakis is a top economist who was at the forefront of international media attention as Minister of Finance in the Syriza government in Greece. Today, he leads the left-wing pan-European political movement DIEM. The conversation with Varoufakis, led by Slavoj Žižek, will be far from a polite exchange of opinions by two like minded colleagues. It will address the issues faced by today’s Left.
Did the Syriza government stand any chance of surviving without capitulating under the pressure by the European Union? What are the real potentials of the radical left today? How has global capitalism changed due to the pandemic? Will capitalism manage to cope with the ecological crisis?
This event is part of the Indigo festival.
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Clicking on this felt like opening a birthday present.
I bet you came when you entered?
IKR 😂 I excite :)
Varoufakis understands the mechanisms and the dynamics of the world very well and is eye opening. His talks in the Greek Parliament are incredible and its amazing to see a politician as him. I urge anyone reading this to listen to more of his stuff and look at diem25.
smooth as silk
Became a big fan of his since his appearance on the European political theatre. Incredibly intelligent man, with a clear vision and a great way to communicate it. I really hope his footprint on future of Europe will became a lot bigger.
I wish we had something like diem25 but for Latin American countries
Check out Progressive International, you can get involved.
I dunno.. it’s usually people like him who become the biggest fascists when they actually get the power they so much work for and desire..
Wonderful and spot on. Around 45:00 = techno feudalism ABSOLUTELY, also the self-enslavement of young folks which is so worrying. Father of a 18 year old here: tremendous empathy towards this generation !!!
im obsessed with this concept. you cant see the likes of elon musk and not think of some pompous lord from centuries ago
@@ince55ant same psychological makeup, different century :)
Imagine a private conversation between these two when there's something other than water on the table... :D
someone give my homie Slavoj a G-fuel sponsorship he gna be spitting and crying and sweating like he just took ghb
I struggle to understand Slavoj when he's sober... Get him drunk and he'd sound entirely like spit and hisses instead of only 33% spit and hisses.
@@noahlenten8360 LMAO!! XD
Best advice I learned from a Jewish Philosophy professor was: KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
Varoufakis' recommendation for a needed change of ownership rights is brilliant. Master/slave mentality also has to go. Progressive International is also a good thing...Selfmanagment won't be easy, but it is not impossible...USA imperialism must end and the forever wars.
This video is PRICELESS. Thanks to Professors and all involved for this treasure.
so the human race, good luck knowing that chaos
@@jthadcast Evolution doesn't stop, change is inevitable..order out of chaos is possible...CHOOSE! Capitalism is dead.
Yes, I have been studying the Torah for years now ^^
@@dushanmlakar7099 made my choice decades ago but nice to see at least the youth have joined me. the day billionaires don't control the public conversation and we can stop the fallicy of "how do we pay for change" we could end capital's stranglehold on humanity. the people are so despirate to own security that they are easly manipulated into accepting leadership by the psychotic intergenerational wealth and "investment" class.
the guy has a good grip of reality we are living it. great contribution. thank you.
conversation is a skill we can master…a good conversation is truly a work of art.
including the monty python sketch at the end was a nice touch, thanks for uploading this, really its awsome
1:57:51 “our politicians are in the pockets of the large corporations”
This is very important,Thank you for sharing
Zizek and Yannis talking about Monty Python made my day
This is outstanding 👌 the very best clear concise explanation of today's global economy 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
Haven't been this excited since Killer Mike and El-P dropped the first RTJ album.
Great conversation! I love the fact that even when Zizek just listens, he still teach us something.
"THAT'S how ideology works today". That should be written on Zizek's tombstone.
First interview question at 7:57. (If you want to skip a slow introduction.)
Thanks
Faroufakis helps us understand or confirm what we already know about the political/financiar mechanisms. We need to know what we could do to change those rules/block the allmighty of our troubled times/to save our humanity (meaning solidarity, empathy, togherness, sanity!)
Yanis always has a great analysis, but when it comes to his solutions, there is a fundamental contradiction. He rightly characterizes the systemic corruption at the heart of power, e.g. the European central bank, but his "what is to be done" answer is to form a party, that will somehow take power - which will somehow also become international - that somehow eventually gains enough power to appoint honest people to powerful intuitions who would do things like issue bonds to good, progressive projects. The contradiction is that power, i.e., capitalists, created and run these institutions. If, say, diem25, gained enough power to ascend to the heights of European government, capitalists would block or circumvent or destroy the ability of the state to control their actions. Ironically, he makes this point in this talk with the Chomsky anecdote and what he says just before it.
It all comes down to being able to challenge capitalists for power and win, but no one wants to acknowledge what that actually means. One of the things it means is rebuilding a unified - and yes, international - left, that has plans, goals, and strategies. At the moment, not only is the left moribund, most of the left in so-called western countries - and really most of the world - doesn't want to unify and only pays lip service to internationalism. As laudable as Yanis's intentions are, diem25 is still an essentially top-down approach. If his party was also mobilizing itself to go out and feed people and help struggling people directly, they would truly be grassroots, and could create a base of support from there. If any group ever wants to gain enough power to take over the state and win against capitalists, it's going to need actual power. That power will come from the people, not from winning elections, which in the case of diem25 has not gone well. I like Yanis. He is brilliant in so many ways, but I don't understand his political strategy. Now, international strikes, great idea, but a one day strike? And what happened after that? Maybe it's just the beginning, but, overall, the left needs to unify and radicalize, and it's hard to see that coming from yanis's projects. Great analysis though.
Your solution is even more vague and unhelpful than his.
@@mycaleb8 bottom up working class demands, etc
@@mycaleb8 It's clear you have nothing to offer, so why bother?
@@dylanemeraldgrey You didn't really either though. With the exception of pointing out the need for internationalism, you countered his actual plans with empty buzzwords.
I on the other hand agree with your comment. Political results speak for themselves - Varoufakis is to be seen as a brilliant commentator rather than a potential leader who could unify the left while being immune to corruption and other problems stemming from positions of power. Varoufakis' movement is still to make any substantial impact on the European political landscape. The idea of forming a Leftist internationale by mobilizing leftist thinkers internationally to then gain influense nationally is as reverse as it is evidently ineffective.
great minds in the age of despair
This is amazing
Min: 27:00 "I was not bluffing, I had the power to do it".
And he didn't have even the support of his own PM to follow through.
the monthy python at the end deserves an applause!!!!
Does anyone have a transcript in english of the interview??
Varoufakis vs. Lapavitsas is a thing I am still waiting.
Must all epistemology be competitive?
1:51:42 What do you do about disbelief in institutions in general when this means that you are forced into unemployment?
Damn! I think I got my answer. As I am seeing This Forum being held in English I was thinking to myself, damn! Europeans are encouraged to speak two or three languages and we in America barely speak one (the working class, apart from school costing an arm and a leg) that way we don't have solidarity with the Europes. Then I hear Varoufakis say political candidates in the U.S. can't participate in an international organization. BAM! there it goes.
at 1:11:15 Slavoj says that Suslov is "the embodiment of the irrationality of (the) Soviet system" how is this a good thing?
I appreciate what Varoufakis says about China
As a Chinese, it's neverthless sad and alarming seeing someone as intelligent and very well informed and well learnt as Varoufakis is, yet not so unlike many innocent audience in the West propagandised by CIA anti-China rhetorics in recent years, he seemed to still have fallen for the Hong Kong and Uyghur bullshit narratives fabricated by CIA and MI6 media handles in recent years in all major Anglo-Saxon news outlets to the whole world in their full on effort or demonizing China and de-humanizing the Chinese people.
@@alexhe7512 yes , but he says some positive things about China too, that is more than the usual... China is not perfect and I am not an expert , I 've just been twice in China, for ceramics residencies to Jingdezhen and I was doing ceramics , not traveling across the country...but I could compare the situation of the potteries to the abandoned factories in England ...well I am not impartial , I admire Chinesse culture
. We should be able to learn from others , the good things but also learn from the mistakes and improve
@@Tematrilia Glad that u have been to China, u must be an artist? Jingde Zhen is famous but many many Chinese haven't been there including myself if one is not too interested in ceramics😂 And Jiangxi province (where Jingde is located ) is really not known for its economic development, to put it mildly. (Whole province is mountainous, rare-earth rich and I suspect left largely undeveloped for certain strategic purposes in case...).
Yanis is quite a man to watch I have only recently realised after picking up his (even though I did watch some of his talkings but he is probably even better when he writes).
Based af
Debased*
1:50:46 *digital technologies* “For goodness sake use them and use them against those who are providing them to you.”
how does one do this?
@@oath4717 This here video on youtube could be used as an example. Sharing knowledge that goes against Google's corporate interests.
Enter Mr. ROBOT....
Yes, what they say is based in reality.
Quantum mechanics are a treat
His view of techno-feudalism or neo-feudalism may be based on Anand Giridharadas best selling book "Winners Take All".
good shit
What's the name of the Chinese ideologue they were talking about, how is it spelled?
Wang Huning
right now all of us vote by where we spend our money and how much money we spend. consumers are not the voters in capitalism
so lets go
Is this event202?
BASED
ŽIŽEK👍
Time stamp it please
😁😁😁 Zizek's accent reminds me of Tintin and flight 714
They could merge in a hegelian way creating the Slavfakis for fighting postcapitalism
I feel so sad that all we are still doing is talking, in the face of the climate crisis the left cannot change our fate.
What si the book he talks about?
Adults in the Room.
Really good book
who is the Russian member of the politburo quoting Lenin and Marx they were speaking about?
I heard "Mikhail Suslov".
It’s true that China’s influence in Africa isn’t as horrible as Europe’s. That doesn’t mean it‘s “just business”. There aren’t Chinese troops killing Zulus, but the economic relations (even if they are “voluntary” now) are still pretty similar to the imperial ones Walter Rodney wrote about - exploitation of African labour and natural resources in exchange for Chinese infrastructure, with the lion’s share of the profits ending up in foreign cities. Indeed, the Europeans also tried to claim that they gave Africans schools, hospitals and railroads as credits for robbing them. Nothing’s really changed.
What we have , got nowadays is hassle economy .
what a based discussion
These guys are both legends, but damn do they ramble
what a wonderful couple of weirdos
1:18:00 On the new cold war
Monty Python said it all.
The Balkan clique!
subs in spanish plis
Do you recognize the differece between a mathematically educated minister and some of these loonies that run these positions throughout Europe? Thank you Yannis for restoring my faith in the sanity of humanity
today if you want to know anything on how the world is run you study economy not politics.
Certainly not economics in the universities, because you'll know even less than at the start.
There exists an old discipline called political economy, and you should definitely study that, alongside history and historical materialism
Ela-Re
Who is the guy Slavoj is mentioning at 1:15:25? van kulink?
Wang Huning
@@allansaputra308 谢谢朋友
“What has Capitalism ever done for us ?”
…………. Fill in as appropriate!
@01:18:12 that didn't age well
"We are not a bunch of Trotskyists in the basement" (Zizek). With all due respect, but Diem25 hardly gets more than 3% of the vote anywhere in Europe.
But they aren't just some people fuzzing about in the basement about change, they're actually out there defending their ideas.
Where is Bitcoin in the analysis?
I am considered a liberal Marxist but it doesn’t appear never in the conversations of progressives.
How does that even work
liberal marxist ?
Maybe because if you hear to marxists, you'll only hear material conditions talk, bitcoin is speculative in it's core like fiat money but even fiat money are backed by central banks. Maybe from a marxists pov, it's a waste of time.
idk I used to consider Blockhain based currencies a tool to expropriate onself from capitalists, but they even took over on that ,soooo idk what to think anymore.
@@lefenec that's a good one - "he's considered a ..." do they issue diplomas?
@@dancroitoru364 sorry, you were talking about the famous Liberal Marxist Diploma, we can buy 2 for the price 1 at the local liberal marxist stock market of material conditions exchange.
Good analysis. Terrible action plan.
This is very scary.
I feel like an absolute idiot being played by the system
You're a double idiot for not taking everything he says with a grain of salt. Varoufakis is an interesting politician, but not everything he says is the truth. Like every progressive, including myself, he is shadowed by ideology. Europe is very well off on a global perspective, this doomsday thinking applies to USA.
People give me 2 million.. I'll make zizek comedian actor!
Minister of Finance in the Syriza government in Greece sounds like head engineer of Trabant.
1:19:10 Does Yanis not consider the incorporation of Tibet an imperialist act?
Yeah Yanis seems to be speaking relative to the West’s violent track record since he also says that the _one China dream_ must also be criticized where it trespasses like Uighur/Hong Kong/Taiwan treatment-where Beijing is pushing very aggressively with misinformation campaigns/ cyber attacks/ threats of force to reincorporate Hong Kong and Taiwan _against_ popular democratic opinion.
Is Taiwan a “renegade province” of China if it has been self-governing for 70+ years? Does it matter if they had a contract? China seems to consider regaining those territories for one China strategy much more important than the sovereignty/friendship of HK/Taiwan as good neighbors.
Good. It wasn't imperialism. At least not according to marxism.
@@nightoftheworld Yanis just isn't always honest when it comes to Marxist crimes and atrocities. Did he mention that China's CCP is the custodian of North Korea's insane regime? Being a the master of an intensely brutal puppet regime in order to profit from the slave labour of foreign populations is straight imperialism.
@@focast1825 CCP is party-state capitalist, they seem to have chosen the markedly more Stalinist approach not Marxist-Leninist. Also North Korea is a sticky problem, they are under massive sanctions from the US and others-without China trading with them the North Korean republic and its people would suffer amazingly and the Korean peninsula might explode, which would threaten South Korea and push them into US arms. China’s interest as far as I know is in a Korean reunification and to woo South Korea. China is North Korea’s economic lifeline, if this line dries up then that threatens the national security of the region.. maybe the world if they launched an ICBM or whatever and send the $700B US military off on a crusade.
@@nightoftheworld The CCP themselves *claim* to have Marxist principles, rather than Stalinist. It is little more than a claim for Varoufakis, as well. This is why he somehow forgets to mention the CCP is way more offensive than EU and the variety of capitalist models employed therein. Neither of them truly believe in Marxism, they just pretend to.
Yes, North Korea is sticky, however it is a puppet of the CCP and has the worst offenses against the noble ideals that Varoufakis holds. He should be more vehement in his criticism of the CCP than he is of the modern politcal entity of Germany (or Greece.)
May I remind that Huawei copied their 5g hardware and are just selling it cheaper. They have no self respect or creativity or anything else than the old copy game.
If China never colonized, how did it become that big?
Previous entities over the long course of history expanded and then fragmented and then repeated. The central plains civilization, the Zhou, the pre-imperial feudal states, the Western Han. China is a fairly modern invention.
@@Sinleqeunnini They colonized Tibet in 1959, putting down resistance to CCP encroachment that had begun years earlier. They have been in the process of replacing the native culture for decades. So even the modern political entity is guilty of colonial imperialism.
@@focast1825 Yes this would have been my question to Yannis; its a pity because it was a neat idea that China wasn't imperialist
@@fieldofsky3632 I concur, it would have been an interesting question. Tibet could be considered a special case on the basis that it was contiguous with China and provides a high-ground buffer with India; Pakistan; Nepal. Despite ongoing border skirmishes, there is no major indication of China harbouring colonial ambitions for acquisition of those countries as colonies, en bloc.
@@tommartin2423 tibet is a key source of water for china.
When Yanis said "North" in Macedonia all his talk about being a Marxist, Left-winger, Subversive, Communist just evaporates like a drop in the sand of hypocrisy....think about it Yanis, just think about it...Macedonia was forced to change its name by the neo-liberal establishment and right wing populism that you say is the biggest problem in the world today...
This chaotic atmosphere is, as Yanis described; "A great gift for fascist". That is why I support the "let's go Brandon" movement.
Always cringe when a man says "I'm a feminist".
Two leftist 'visionaries' in their echochamber (they can tell you anything - if they manage to make you feel smart for 1 second you'd clap your hands in a climax) .. As with all visionaries from the left they are interesting as long as they just explain what's happening - when the vision is delivered you see the gates of hell opening. Make the shares nominal? Isn't that what Lenin did with the workers committees in factories ? How can 10000 people know what needs to be produced? Nevermind the answer ... In socialist countries, everyone is a shareholder who is never asked their opinion because it is clear since the very beginning they have none. The companies shrink? Yes and such does their output and poverty rises and is pushed downwards. What do you do with your nominal share if you own nothing? Then the fantasy descends into delirium: China not imperialistic? As if China is the Chinese civilization and not the CCP who is as imperialistic as the former USSR
31:06 “So every time you use the Euro, remember it’s a Deuschmark.”
Except that the currency went from an apolitical hard currency to saving every wasteful European zombie nation, but sure mate. Totally one and the same.
You austerity hawks are so weird bro, how can you believe this in 2021? Do you also believe we still use the gold standard for Christs sake..
@@sorinruga3434 believe what? That competing by throwing debt around is not a sustainable strategy? Please, if you think we’re past dieting for weight loss, take up the tab for the gluttons, I heard Greece now sits at nice 15% non performing loans, despite a eurozone at 0% interest.
If you want to go full Venezuela, do it on your own purse.
Noone saves noone dude, it's an economic war
@@MrSupertoiletman Let’s start by saving frugal nations from people who hide their debt and pay more lavish welfare despite producing less on the frugal nations purse. If you want free gibs from hardworking German engineers, the Greeks are far behind in the line of the most deserving. Why give cheaters an upgrade from 1 series to 3 series, when some Africans can’t even fathom what the difference between the two would be, because both are just insanely out of reach of everything they know.
Also completely ignoring how well the Euro performs globally. I don't disagree with everything he says, but to say Europe is a desert is an ideological statement, not the truth.
Greeks were leaving on expanes of all Europe for 20 years and they are now completing that someone want them to paid off debts that made. So childish