StarRacing Bolt In TC 103. 577. That’s the Ticket. S&S Lifers Johnson Bros adj pushrods Zipper dual cam adjusters Koyo bearings Orig 3:51 plate & pump 2015 FLHR 20k. Zero issues. Just performance. Give me comparison Dyno reading. I went w ThunderMax’s and it works for my riding realm
StarRacing Bolt In TC 103. 577. That’s the Ticket. S&S Lifers Johnson Bros adj pushrods Zipper dual cam adjusters Koyo bearings Orig 3:51 plate & pump 2015 FLHR 20k. Zero issues. Just performance. Give me comparison Dyno reading. I went w ThunderMax’s and it works for my riding realm
I had an HD SE cam put in when I had the oil pump upgraded in my M8 107 - also had the SE lifters at the same time. When it came out of the dealer, you could hear the valve train from space! I was not happy and even had a "discussion" with the "master tech" who said "they all do that" (I was not at all impressed as he didn't even come and listen to it)... When they finally actually listened to it, they agreed it was a problem - turned out to be a faulty lifter... A little extra noise is OK, but this was a LOT of extra noise!
I love the term mechanical music. That is way better than calling it noise. Noise implies bad. Mechanical music makes it sound like what it is... awesome.
Thought I had bad valve train noise after putting an S&S 475 in my ultra limited 114. Everyone told me noise was just normal noise but I decided to tear back into the cam chest anyways. Found my cam pinion bolt had come loose letting the cam walk and contact the case. After taking care of that issue there is absolutely no valve noise. I used S&S lifters, FM adjustable pushrods and stock cam plate and stock upgraded 8 lobe oil pump. This cam is awesome and sounds amazing.
My son just put the Wood 222 cam in his 2017 Street Glide.....I tell ya it's got some serious power going on now....what a blast to ride and listen to 💯👊🏽😎
I have owned my 2010 Ultra Classic for a year and have watched every video you post since I started looking for my first Harley after having a Honda Shadow ACE 1100 for 15 years. Your videos are always excellent and extremely informative, bit this is the one that may finally put my mind at ease. My bike has an S&S 110 big bore kit with ported heads, woods 777 cams, V&H power duels and many more performance upgrades. The tick tick tick was driving me crazy and when I recently had to do a partial rebuild (new jugs and pistons) I added Rocker Lockers hoping it would eliminate the “music”. It has not. It may be less now, but the ticking (makes me think of a sewing machine) is still there. The bike is just around 1000 miles since the new jugs were put on and I am learning to live with the sound. I don't think I'll ever get used to it 100 % but this is the video that will help me be less freaked out by it. Thank you.
Excellent video. I got 1300 miles on my Wood cam and I have been concerned about the noise. I was thinking about moving from 20 w 50 oil to straight 50w to see if that would help. But now, I think I will go ride and stop worrying about it. .
Years ago I put in on my Electra Glide a touring performance cam I believe from Andrews they would get happy at low RPM so you wouldn't have to downshift before the cam got happy one of the best things I ever did these bikes are for touring or cruising they're not full out racing bikes buy a Hayabusa if you want to do that but if you want good performance that's matched to the style of bike really a cam that gets happy at lower RPMs is the way to go unless you're going to the drag strip
Thanks for this important topic My vtwin cams Andrews, woods , we’re the go to cams and they did clatter some not bad My M8 114 with a screaming Eagle torque cam really great adds a boost 108 hp with 124 tq and no added lifter clatter
I have Andrew's TW26 in my TC88 paired with a good intake and exhaust setup and head porting woke it up for sure. And it's not very noisy at all. Dyno numbers are 85.7hp 95.2lbft...pair that with Legend Suspension w rear air ride and my 2000 Deuce is fairly quick, very agile and contact with the road is smooth as silk. I know its just an 88 but I'm very happy with the Andrews cams is basically what I'm saying... 👍....lol!
I have an 04 Road Kings classic. 88" motor factory ported heads from HD 203 cams , module, 44 SE CV carb and manifold, stock head pipes with D&D police interceptor mufflers.
Tc 88 is the best sounding ever. Nothing compares to the quick rev of the short stroke 88. Also the 5 speed gear ratio is the motorcycle equivalent of putting 410 gears in a mustang. There's a good reason why all the stunt guys are riding dynas w 88s. Dont forget that in early 2000s the 88 was the biggest and baddest of the hd lineup
Sorry the HD engine is quite a bit undersquare and air cooled on top of that. The valvetrain is going to be drastically stressed when you start you start ramping up the lift and duration. You have actually a rather heavy valve train as compared to most other bike engines out there. Now take into account that this weight starts taking effect at the higher RPM ranges, remember you have to lift that cam off the seat and return it to the seat with the springs ensuring that everyting is staying in place. Now simply physics starts to take effect there with the square law rule of thimb. So now it will require a much heavier spring to keep things in correct place at higher revs. Now for the bad thing with the heavier springs will result in higher seat pressures. Now since the valve is hitting the seat at a faster veloicty due to the lift and duration being more radical, veloicity being the movement of in distance as to the degree of cam rotation. Sorry you cannot cheat physics guys, you can do things to minimize the problem but it is still there. This is why often high rpm engines use overhead cams with the cam over the valve to reduce mass, you are moving much less mass so the valve spring tension can be much lower. My total suggestion is simply with a HD engine "Leave it alone" as all you are going to do is throw huge sums of money making more horses and then even more money spent fixing the problems created by the quest of more horsepower. I actually liked the EVO motor as it was improved and didn't make the power to beat itself into pieces and parts at a astounding rate the newer engines are well known for. The best thing I can equate a HD engine to is take your farm tractor and it will run forever in the field without much issue, now set it up for tractor pulls and it will make ungodly power for a very short period of time before it displays it's internals in a very colorful manner if not constantly attended to.
I remember looking at the valve train of high reving overhead cam Honda engines when I was a kid. They had a set of cam operated “fingers” that came up under the valve spring retainer lifting the valve and spring back up to the seated position via the cam thus allowing them to use much lighter valve spring pressure while still allowing very high rpm. I haven’t looked at recent engines to see if they’re still using this method but I would assume that they are.
@@chrish5791 Yes remember seeing this also. Owned several Ducati Desmo engines over the years, and they work, little complex to maintain though. The old Honda system appears to be a modification of the Desmo system, which they could not copy exactly due to the legalities of the time and since with spring metallurgy and design advancements these complex systems slowly became not cost-effective, yes Desmo worked better as the valves could not float but the cost and engineering was very complex and labor-intensive to maintain so at present I think Ducati is the only one using this system nowadays. Using a radical valve system on a Harley is really not that intelligent when you think it out. The engine is tremendously under-square, with an assembled crankshaft, not a forged one-piece unit, failure-prone under high loads and high RPM's. So you can for a short time get a bunch more power, but due to physics "the glue that holds the universe together" you have a tremendously short engine lifespan. My feelings are if you want a fast bike with a lifespan over 10k before total rebuilds, Harley is NOT THE ANSWER.
Woods cams are loud due to the steep ramp on the cam lobe. Use a set of rocker lockers and run quality lifters and you’ll be set as long as you don’t mind a little noise. Honestly the rocker lockers really quieted down my twincam 103.
Got an 06 Street Glide, stock 88", power tune duals, Power vision tuner, awesome Woods TW555/"triple nickle", cam chest upgrade, adjustable pushrods, high volume oil pump, and Woods roller lifters. Motor is more quiet than stock, all I hear is the sweet sound of FREEDOM!!! Don't just put the cams in, the extra goodies will make the difference!! 98" incoming!
Thanks, you video gave me a good feeling about my cam upgrade in my 06 Electraglide 88CI. It had 30k on the motor and I had the cams, billet camplate, Fueling oil pump, cam bearings, lifters, exhaust, and a little headwork with valves and springs. I got 104 tq @ 3400 rpm and 91 HP at 5k rpm. It has been a few years but seeing a 103 just a little higher with everything I had except the headwork gave me a good feeling. BTW: I have never noticed the valvetrain noise.
Great video GF. I put s&s585se cams in my 08 softail custom along with new roller rockers and rocker lockers. Great power all the way through the power range up to 6k. Very low mechanical music on the top end.
I do quite a bit of cam swaps mostly high lift .560 & up mainly use high lift springs but lately I have been installing Kimblewhite beehive style springs & have noticed a quieter valve train . In my personal bike I'm running a .576 lift cam with Zippers 675 lift springs I know that's overkill but I also have a 647 redshift cam that I'm gonna try but it is noisy this winter I'm gonna redo the heads with 660 lift Kimblewhite beehives & try to still be able to swap to the 647 cam .right now the valves & spring will work with both cams ! Go big or go home !
Back in 2014 I had a '02 Sporty 883 that came in to my workshop with a lot of valve train/ rocker box noise. I put a Zippers Performance pushrod & hydraulic lifter kit in it. I kept the stock cams and it actually ran better and as quiet as a new engine.
I love learning all of the tips and information you share about HD engines and bikes. Been planning a Sportster project and the information goes a long way. Now to do something about the noises my Kawasaki makes! lol
My 117 with a red shift 468,d&d 2 into 1 the party starts right around 2000 and holds that line to damn near 5000….110hp,126 torque.i wanted low end and midrange power and that’s exactly what i got. good video my man!
Hey GF you are once again right on the money. I installed a RS 468 last year and honestly I really have not been able to hear much of any change in valve train noise. One other point, the brand of engine oil you use can help quiet a noisy top end too. Thanks again GF.
I’ve had a tick for probably the last 15k miles. I did feuling cams, camplate, oil pump, cam bearings, s&s lifters, and even rocker lockers. Still there
Glad you are back and well! on another note, 2014 street glide stage4 40,000 miles. I did a three hole. Road 44 miles and drained the 6 ounces over filled in primary. No metal on plug but the oil was already gray again???? Is this normal??? James W
I had to think about this for a second. What valve train noise? I don’t hear any. I hear the music of the engine. But then, I remembered, I wear ear plugs. I like my good hearing. I wouldn’t get on my bike without them. Woods 222. I absolutely love that cam in my 103. Thanks for another great video.
I heard if going with a Woods TW-555-6R cam and a 98" big bore kit on a 99 to 06 twin cam you should probably have CNC heads or at least update to heavier valve springs. Same probably goes if you're going to S & S big bore kit and 585 cams most likely.
I bought a used Road King with a lot of motor work and high lift cams. There is a lot of valve train noise. It took me a long time to accept that the noise was inherent with the work completed and nothing was wrong. Now that I have a baseline for normal valve train noise I am good. I think I can now tell what would be unusual or a bad noise. Good video. It would have been very good to get over my initial concerns. Thanks.
Great video, I put S&S585GtoG cams, fueling HP lifters, S&S roller rockers, S&S585 valve springs and rocker lockers. The valve train sounds quiet and smooth, with great power.
rockerlocker, you just dont need them in your rocker box. you need them everywhere. i used that tech to quite my shifter but it's shity tolerances everywhere. yay harley! also if your doing rockerlockers you can use a set screw instead. i found a videro on here and it works great.
All of your videos are absolutely awesome. You bring that enthusiasm and love of H-D and 2 wheels into everything you present and it’s very much appreciated. Thanks!
i lost chain tensioners because of the stock harley cam plate (you went over the issues with it in another video) so i went through and did cams and a billet plate and oil pump and yeah the top end noise came down even with the woods 777 cams. having oil moving around certainly helps
I am so glad you made this video! I am going to be doing a cam in my ‘21 FXLRS this fall or winter and had no idea it would increase my valve train noise! I absolutely HATE that valve train noise! I am willing to put up with some for the extra power and torque but I can’t have some crazy, aggressive, loud, valve chatter driving me insane every time I ride my motorcycle! The stock chatter the M8 makes is already kinda annoying. Sounds like I’ll be doing a S&S or something like that.
I did a 2012 103 Road Glide with an S&S 551 EZ Start Cam kit, comes with cams, plate, lifters, pushrods, S&S pump. Also did the head breathers new inner cam bearing (Torringtons) added a Vance and Hines FP3 tuner, S&S Power Duals Head Pipes and Kerker P.A.T. Slip-ons. Also re-routed the head breathers so they don't foul up the combustion air. Owner of the bike has a smile on his face everytime I see him, plus he won't be buying starter clutches anymore. If the pipes are loud enough the lifter noise shouldn't be an issue, lol. Actually the 551 kit isn't really noisy at all anyway.
@@RyDawg1904 I didn't do anything with any of that, the heads where not pulled as the engine only had about 15,000 kilometers on it. Bike starts and runs awesome, getting better by the day, as the carbon is cleaning itself off the piston tops after rerouting the head breathers out of the intake. I also drilled the drain hole in the bottom of the head breathers slightly bigger (2 drill bit sizes) hoping the oil will drain back into the engine rather than coming out the breather bolts. so far I am not getting much oil coming out the hose at all. Also changed the filter in the head breathers as they get brittle a d shrink and probably let more oil through. I was surprised how brittle and shrunk they where, considering it only had 15,000k on it. It appears to me that these should be a regular service item.
Always wondered about your TH-cam name. IMO don't use a cam that requires larger valve springs if you don't have the cylinder heads to go with it. Roller rocker arms are nice too. Good video, keep em coming!
True statement 🤔 I put full S+S in my 2005 Deuce . I went.with.gear drive with 509 cams ( for lower down torque) instead of 510s that don't come on till about 4-4,500 rpm. These cams can be used without upgrading the springs. 👍😎🏴🇺🇸
i went from a 2001 XLH that didn't even run, to an arm stretcher in 9 months .... i mocked up the tune in Dynomation, and pipe band comes on just like the sim...still breaking in the fresh build and i already lofted the front end, in 2nd, the other day......Andrews N2s, stock lifters, aluminum push rods, rocker lockers, and S&S beehives...very mild gear click, is all. a little over 10:1 compression, Daytona TwinTec double sparking cold plugs in polished chambers...the pipe boost has it wound up tight on 91+ octane....the party starts at 3 grand.
This is funny. You're sitting on an Engine with wheels and people complaining about the noise it makes? I grew up around Muscle Cars with BIG solid lifter cams and gear drives, 6-71 Blowers and Lenko Transmissions. To me when it's singing in harmony, it's glorious. Plus you have the added bonus of HEARING an issue, usually before you read it on a gauge.
If things are clanking around, they're wearing out faster. Noise = wear. But if you're going so much faster, you have more time to rebuild it when you get there! It's always a trade off.
About to do Stage II on my 2022 RGS. Cycle Rama 480 Cam (after watching a different video), Feuling cam plate, Feuling oil pump, Feuling cam bearing. S & S Pushrod kit, Bassani 2 into 1, RRIII Stainless full length exhaust, Power vision tuner, 3 hours of Dyno time. The Dyno chart on the CR480 is amazing. Had the 122" SIII on a 2021 RGL. Was okay, but ran hot with SE road tuner & Cat. Heat issues alone are enough to make me swap off. The Bassani 2 into 1 quiets down nicely at cruise speed, enough exhaust note to get the sound we all want. Looking forward seeing the final result.
Well i have red shift 575 lift set in my 100 inch build with s&s heads and Graffeo Original Exhaust and tc88a ignition 10:5:1 cpr and 216 psi cranking pressure. On 93 it makes at the tire 125 hp and 115 lb ft and my top end sounds like a sewing machine for the 60s lol but god i love what i did to this bike.
Don't forget to upgrade the inner cam bearings because if the INA spits roller chunks into your engine you will be sad. Remember to use the CORRECT cam bearing puller because not every expanding puller collet that looks right is right. Ya might get away with it...or not.
You can get a bolt in cam that will work with the stock valve springs and that will give it a good lope. Pretty much anything aftermarket that's not stock or Screamin Eagle will give it a good lope.
The throttle blade soft clack was noticeable on the woods 222 on a 103....gave me fits till I accepted it . .it was a great recommendation...good content..carry on..
@@JLK1978 yeah especially in the 1500 to 3500 rpm range. .I ride solo on flhx ..fuel moto parts, home install, fuelpac 3 map. .they sent me a custom map for de-cat stock head pipes and slip ons. ..for me a solid setup . hope it helps..carry on..
When I put the s@s 510 we went with a fueling hydro plate and up graded oil pump.S@S lifters everything $2000.00 in parts I think my motor runs quite compared to stock. So it seems.
Glad you are back and Hopefully Feel Better !! Keep up the Good Work. Atleast you have Not Lost your Way !! Some of the Harley U-Tuber's go Off Towards a BMW, or Rice Rocket Direction , I am Loosing Interest in there U-Tubing because of it !!!
2019 FXLR M8-107 All Screamin’ Eagle upgrades Only have 500 miles on her due to lower spine problems. This should be resolved in a month or so and will get back to riding, building up the mileage and letting the Auto Tuner do its thing. Hoping to break the 100 HP barrier afterwards… RPM Torque HP 2200 95 40 2500 98 46 3460 104* 70 5820 92 97* 6000 85 86 Upgrades: High intake air filter High Intake Aluminum Manifold Street Cannons Torque Cam PRO Street Tuner Automatic tuning module with wide band O2 sensors Enjoy your Videos, Thank you GF!
Not if you upgrade the cam chest, cam plate, lifters, new high volume oil pump and you'll be good to go. But overall they don't affect longevity, for sure helps to add the supporting parts.
Gained 20+ hp/torque on my 88 flhrci with a ss509 cams, with feuling pushrods. My valve train was driving me nuts. Added some rocker lockers in the beginnings of the the season and it’s made a world of difference. Still a bit of added ting but dampened down a great deal compared to before the rockers were added 🦾
For the best of both worlds on an otherwise stock 103,an often overlooked cam choice is the S&S MR 103. The S&S 585 needs headwork & a bump in compression to work well in a stock compression,stock head 103. Without head work & compression bump,the MR 103 will perform just as well as the 585,or,other similar timed cams,without the lower rpm lag,or,noise,kicking in at over 100 ft/lb by 2500 rpm & holding above that out to past 5000. The MR 103 does it quietly too. My valve train after the swap,using S&S lifters ,was actually quieter than stock. S&S designed the MR 103(mid range 103) cams specifically for the stock head,stock compression 103 motor. Breaking that 100 HP mark is a tuff job on a stock head 103,regardless of cams. The stock heads hit a wall at that point & going bigger on cams doesn't really add anything,except lack luster bottomend torque & most often tuning issues in the lower ranges. The comparison of dyno charts between the 585 & the MR 103 shows that very plainly. It is a different story tho,once the heads are worked & compression increased.
@@RyDawg1904 if you have a 103 motor,the MR 103 cams will give as much,or,more low end torque, while holding out well past the 551 to make 8 to 10 more HP on the top end. That is provided it is properly supported with exhaust,breather, &,tuning. The 551 cams are really better suited to 88" & 96" motors & their lower compression.
Glad I read these post I just bought the MR103 cam. And oil pump and cam plate. I was told this is a very good all around cam any other recommendations on what to add when I have the install done already have pipes a dyno and a air breather installed for my 2014 FLHXS.
@@randyservello64 lifters. A good set of quality lifters is critical. The OE lifters are junk,especially once you start increasing lift,duration,&,likely more aggressive riding after the swap trying out your newfound power. You're gonna love the MR 103's Great all around cams for the stock 103 motor. Their not as well known as the Wood cams & others,but,they should be. They don't get shoved in your face on every forum,group,or,channel like some of the others do.
I already have the 551 so I'm going to give them a try. I looked at MR103 and they do make more HP but not until 4500 rpm and I don't ride much past that. I'll let you guys know how I like the 551 next week.
Thanks yeah damn right there noisy. But for a 110 10.1 make some respectable numbers before I refresh on my CVO 60,000 miles crazy but it’s still 120 pounds and 119 hp I found a bigger 58 mm throttle body on eBay for 100 bucks and I got the heads done. I’m thinking it should noisy. I did the rocker lockers. I don’t know if they did anything.
This was a very informative video. You may have saved me some money I dont want any additional noise I may rethink my idea of taking my stage 1 and skipping Stage 2. I wonder is SE cam causes a tick the torque one specifically . Im 135 lbs and ride a Roadglide 2020 I t is quick enough as it is. Really dont need any more power in exchange for valve train noise. Tell me what you think You make the best videos dont know how how I missed this one. Keep up the good work.
On a Milwaukee 8 you'll have a little more valve noise with a performance cam, I wouldn't waste my money on a SE cam honestly. If you want a bang for buck and make it worth the money to swap a cam Wood WM822XE is the way to go.
I used a fueling 525 also S&S cam plate, oil pump, lifters and push rods it runs very strong no noise at all. I like the 585 S&S cams but you have to grind the inside of the cases not for me. Great video buddy. 🤙
Thanks for your post on the Fueling 525 cams. I was hoping GixerFoo would mention them as they are the cams that I’ve thought of installing in my ‘06 FXDWGI along with a Fueling cam plate with hydraulic tensioners and high volume oil pump. I bought this bike this year as my first Harley and have found that it’s been everything that I wanted. Now after riding this summer I’m not sure that I want, or need any more than what this 88 TC puts out (it looks like old age is catching up with me and I’m starting to ride like an old geezer). It was also great to find out my dumb luck in getting the ‘06 Dyna Wide Glide in that it was one of the only ‘06 models to come from the factory with hydraulic cam chain tensioners rather than spring tensioners. GixxerFoo also told me that it had the ‘07 96 TC heads on ‘06 for some reason. Anyhow thanks for relating how your Fueling cams are running in your TC.
Most Fueling cams are broad tip cams & make good power,but,without all the noise & accelerated valve train wear that can come some of the more aggressive cams. The minor gains from Wood & other aggressive cams is very negligible unless your looking the absolute max HP ,or,1/100th second at the track. Fir the average street ridden bike,the noise will be more noticeable than any power gains you'll notice.
I put the feuling 525's, plate, oil pump and hydro tensioners in my 01 softail. With a fuel moto tune and its not any louder than stock. But there is definitely more seat of the pants power for sure. The power is in a streetable rpm range for my riding style too. Money well spent.
Another great video, as usual. I like what I see from Woods cams in regards to what power and torque they produce. I don't care too much about the noise people talk about. However, what has prevented me from getting them was my concern about the increase in wear and tear on the motor from the cam design. What are your thoughts on that?
100% agree, we put one in my friends 2018 Street Glide... holy hell it sounded good and ran very well even with the Screamin Eagle Tuner. We could of got more out of it with a Power Vision tuner but the power was good with the SE.
I dig your videos, but I got a question. I bought a Softail with a 131 merch performance Evo motor, what can the cam and pushrods are Jacked, what lifters and cam would you recommend for big street power, I was thinking a wood W10F but I'm not sure it'll fit. Not much info on these motors.
Just did a stage II on my 2010 Ultra Classic 96" TC. Went with Andrews 48's, and got a professional dyno tune. I figure I gained 20 points over stock on HP and Torque. The bike's top end is quieter after the cam swap and tune. All I hear is rocker shaft tick. I'll probably get rocker lockers. Only downside to the cam swap was my MPG went from 44 to 35, and I'm very conservative on the throttle. I only reef on it when I have to get out of a bad situation. And thats only happened 3 times in the last 2 months. Overall I'm very happy with the upgrade.
Yea i went with andrews 57h in my 96. And all i hear is the Rocker tic now. Way quieter than stock. Bike has SE air cleaner, Vance and Hines 2 into 1 big radius, feuling cam plate, hp lifters and oil pump, s&s quickie pushrods, power commander 5 with auto tune set up. Haven't put on a dyno yet but the screams. Very pleased with it
Hi GixxerFoo, I have found out that my 2003 deuce has had a pair of SS T510G have been fitted, geared , not sure if oil pump has been replaced, as it still has HD cam plate, I have ordered bearings and seals, for the primary side, I think I need to invest in some extra tools France
@@GixxerFoo Hi GixxerFoo, not sure if it as had a big bore kit to 1550’ with out taking the heads off, not doing that, the previous owner only had the bike for a year, and his ex has burnt or got rid off all invoices, I am trying to sort out mis fire , I think it was air leaking at manifold, but I am changing all new jets in carb , new coil and leads , I have already replaced O rings in carb but still have problems, so putting new jets in, and manifold gaskets, Just waiting for primary seals and bearing/gaskets, I when to HD and order the parts, I now been told 5-6 weeks for delivery, that is not good, I should of ordered from aftermarket components, like Jim,s et cetera bearings I can get the next day and seals , from Europe, outlet, ride safe, and free.
I had a Woods cam and couldn't stand the valvetrain noise so I yanked it and sold it. I tried pushing the pushrods down into the lifter and it didn't help. Great performer but horrible noise. Went with the EV27...
Howdy, love your channel, now do have a question, I have a 03' Dyna anniversary 1450cc, 15000 miles and thinking on a new cam, so can I have your ideas on what I can and cannot do, and who might have a good cam, I do ride just about everyday and do lot of city riding, but I do hit the highways and just want some more kick 😉 if you know what I mean... any help would make me a happy viewer... 😊 thanks for the help...
With all the supporting parts going in with the cams it won't hurt your longevity. The 999 is a very high torque cam, it comes on really strong and hard where the 222 is much smoother broad overall cam. I would go with the 999 myself since I really like big torque and horsepower that peaks pretty early, I don't ever really run the bike out.
@@GixxerFoo thanks brother. I want to do it right and add the other parts to my stage 2, 103 heritage. I personally don't like to hit 4k rpm and like to stay lower down and want the extra power mainly for passing vehicles on highways or getting out of the way quicker.
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I found the easiest and cheapest way to quiet valve train noise. I put a small piece of cotton or ear plugs in each ear. The bike runs smoother too!
Now that's just a Pure Old Scooter rider there 👍👍
My buddy used to bust off a couple cigarette butts and use them for ear plugs.
A proper fitting, quality, snug helmet on the next episode.
StarRacing Bolt In TC 103. 577. That’s the Ticket. S&S Lifers Johnson Bros adj pushrods Zipper dual cam adjusters Koyo bearings Orig 3:51 plate & pump 2015 FLHR 20k. Zero issues. Just performance. Give me comparison Dyno reading. I went w ThunderMax’s and it works for my riding realm
StarRacing Bolt In TC 103. 577. That’s the Ticket. S&S Lifers Johnson Bros adj pushrods Zipper dual cam adjusters Koyo bearings Orig 3:51 plate & pump 2015 FLHR 20k. Zero issues. Just performance. Give me comparison Dyno reading. I went w ThunderMax’s and it works for my riding realm
I had an HD SE cam put in when I had the oil pump upgraded in my M8 107 - also had the SE lifters at the same time. When it came out of the dealer, you could hear the valve train from space! I was not happy and even had a "discussion" with the "master tech" who said "they all do that" (I was not at all impressed as he didn't even come and listen to it)... When they finally actually listened to it, they agreed it was a problem - turned out to be a faulty lifter... A little extra noise is OK, but this was a LOT of extra noise!
I love the term mechanical music. That is way better than calling it noise. Noise implies bad. Mechanical music makes it sound like what it is... awesome.
When your pipes are thunderously loud , who cares about a bit of valvetrain racket .If you want quiet, buy an ohc honda .Great video mate
Wood cams are loud but who cares really, they are the best power output cams I've seen. Add the Wood cam and hold on!
I noticed no mention of Feuling cams. I use the 525 Reaper in my 06 Road King, high torque, These cams are stock circle and very quiet.
Thought I had bad valve train noise after putting an S&S 475 in my ultra limited 114. Everyone told me noise was just normal noise but I decided to tear back into the cam chest anyways. Found my cam pinion bolt had come loose letting the cam walk and contact the case. After taking care of that issue there is absolutely no valve noise. I used S&S lifters, FM adjustable pushrods and stock cam plate and stock upgraded 8 lobe oil pump. This cam is awesome and sounds amazing.
If you don't like valve noises....don't get a big air cooled V-twin!!🤣🤣👍...great video!...thanks for sharing!...stay safe out there!😎👍🤙👍🤙🇨🇦
Just put an S&S 510 kit in my 88 inch, cam plate, bearings, billet pump and quickie pushrods. Super quiet and very strong. Good idle sound as well…
Same here with shaved heads
Man that low rider at 1:55 is such a nice bike,very tastefully done but not overdone
Low Rider is one of my favorite Dyna models, I didn't care too much for the carry over model that became a Softail.
@@GixxerFoo nope,a low rider has a swingarm rear end with shocks,the new ones look nothing like a low rider
@@GixxerFoo do you know who owns it ?
My son just put the Wood 222 cam in his 2017 Street Glide.....I tell ya it's got some serious power going on now....what a blast to ride and listen to 💯👊🏽😎
Oh those Wood cams make a very nice lope!
@@GixxerFoo it definitely does....it sound's real beefy
Hell yeah!! Thanks for sharing, getting my own soon.
I bet that single cam sounds great.. I've got a 07' twin cam 96" .. I don't think I can get that choppy sound out of it.. ???????????
I have owned my 2010 Ultra Classic for a year and have watched every video you post since I started looking for my first Harley after having a Honda Shadow ACE 1100 for 15 years.
Your videos are always excellent and extremely informative, bit this is the one that may finally put my mind at ease.
My bike has an S&S 110 big bore kit with ported heads, woods 777 cams, V&H power duels and many more performance upgrades. The tick tick tick was driving me crazy and when I recently had to do a partial rebuild (new jugs and pistons) I added Rocker Lockers hoping it would eliminate the “music”. It has not. It may be less now, but the ticking (makes me think of a sewing machine) is still there. The bike is just around 1000 miles since the new jugs were put on and I am learning to live with the sound. I don't think I'll ever get used to it 100 % but this is the video that will help me be less freaked out by it.
Thank you.
Excellent video. I got 1300 miles on my Wood cam and I have been concerned about the noise. I was thinking about moving from 20 w 50 oil to straight 50w to see if that would help. But now, I think I will go ride and stop worrying about it. .
Years ago I put in on my Electra Glide a touring performance cam I believe from Andrews they would get happy at low RPM so you wouldn't have to downshift before the cam got happy one of the best things I ever did these bikes are for touring or cruising they're not full out racing bikes buy a Hayabusa if you want to do that but if you want good performance that's matched to the style of bike really a cam that gets happy at lower RPMs is the way to go unless you're going to the drag strip
Thanks for this important topic My vtwin cams Andrews, woods , we’re the go to cams and they did clatter some not bad
My M8 114 with a screaming Eagle torque cam really great adds a boost 108 hp with 124 tq and no added lifter clatter
I have Andrew's TW26 in my TC88 paired with a good intake and exhaust setup and head porting woke it up for sure. And it's not very noisy at all. Dyno numbers are 85.7hp 95.2lbft...pair that with Legend Suspension w rear air ride and my 2000 Deuce is fairly quick, very agile and contact with the road is smooth as silk. I know its just an 88 but I'm very happy with the Andrews cams is basically what I'm saying... 👍....lol!
I have an 04 Road Kings classic. 88" motor factory ported heads from HD 203 cams , module, 44 SE CV carb and manifold, stock head pipes with D&D police interceptor mufflers.
@@enricomandragona163 yes, I forgot about the SE ignition module....sounds like you have a good setup as well sir 👌
@@jeremymacklem2510 I embrace bigger motors
88 is gonna be the motors everyone is going to want in the future. Keep your 88
Tc 88 is the best sounding ever. Nothing compares to the quick rev of the short stroke 88. Also the 5 speed gear ratio is the motorcycle equivalent of putting 410 gears in a mustang. There's a good reason why all the stunt guys are riding dynas w 88s. Dont forget that in early 2000s the 88 was the biggest and baddest of the hd lineup
Also, the valve train noise is a bigger concern with a fairing than with a naked.
I bought a woods 777 and going to replace everything as you instructed. THX
Sorry the HD engine is quite a bit undersquare and air cooled on top of that. The valvetrain is going to be drastically stressed when you start you start ramping up the lift and duration. You have actually a rather heavy valve train as compared to most other bike engines out there. Now take into account that this weight starts taking effect at the higher RPM ranges, remember you have to lift that cam off the seat and return it to the seat with the springs ensuring that everyting is staying in place. Now simply physics starts to take effect there with the square law rule of thimb. So now it will require a much heavier spring to keep things in correct place at higher revs. Now for the bad thing with the heavier springs will result in higher seat pressures. Now since the valve is hitting the seat at a faster veloicty due to the lift and duration being more radical, veloicity being the movement of in distance as to the degree of cam rotation. Sorry you cannot cheat physics guys, you can do things to minimize the problem but it is still there. This is why often high rpm engines use overhead cams with the cam over the valve to reduce mass, you are moving much less mass so the valve spring tension can be much lower. My total suggestion is simply with a HD engine "Leave it alone" as all you are going to do is throw huge sums of money making more horses and then even more money spent fixing the problems created by the quest of more horsepower. I actually liked the EVO motor as it was improved and didn't make the power to beat itself into pieces and parts at a astounding rate the newer engines are well known for. The best thing I can equate a HD engine to is take your farm tractor and it will run forever in the field without much issue, now set it up for tractor pulls and it will make ungodly power for a very short period of time before it displays it's internals in a very colorful manner if not constantly attended to.
I remember looking at the valve train of high reving overhead cam Honda engines when I was a kid. They had a set of cam operated “fingers” that came up under the valve spring retainer lifting the valve and spring back up to the seated position via the cam thus allowing them to use much lighter valve spring pressure while still allowing very high rpm. I haven’t looked at recent engines to see if they’re still using this method but I would assume that they are.
@@chrish5791 Yes remember seeing this also. Owned several Ducati Desmo engines over the years, and they work, little complex to maintain though. The old Honda system appears to be a modification of the Desmo system, which they could not copy exactly due to the legalities of the time and since with spring metallurgy and design advancements these complex systems slowly became not cost-effective, yes Desmo worked better as the valves could not float but the cost and engineering was very complex and labor-intensive to maintain so at present I think Ducati is the only one using this system nowadays. Using a radical valve system on a Harley is really not that intelligent when you think it out. The engine is tremendously under-square, with an assembled crankshaft, not a forged one-piece unit, failure-prone under high loads and high RPM's. So you can for a short time get a bunch more power, but due to physics "the glue that holds the universe together" you have a tremendously short engine lifespan. My feelings are if you want a fast bike with a lifespan over 10k before total rebuilds, Harley is NOT THE ANSWER.
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The best channel on TH-cam for learning about Harleys. Thank you for the work!
Woods cams are loud due to the steep ramp on the cam lobe. Use a set of rocker lockers and run quality lifters and you’ll be set as long as you don’t mind a little noise. Honestly the rocker lockers really quieted down my twincam 103.
Got an 06 Street Glide, stock 88", power tune duals, Power vision tuner, awesome Woods TW555/"triple nickle", cam chest upgrade, adjustable pushrods, high volume oil pump, and Woods roller lifters. Motor is more quiet than stock, all I hear is the sweet sound of FREEDOM!!! Don't just put the cams in, the extra goodies will make the difference!! 98" incoming!
Mackie makes some top shelf cams also, well worth looking at. And yes, if you go with his aggressive profiles , they too are a little more “ musical”.
Thanks, you video gave me a good feeling about my cam upgrade in my 06 Electraglide 88CI. It had 30k on the motor and I had the cams, billet camplate, Fueling oil pump, cam bearings, lifters, exhaust, and a little headwork with valves and springs. I got 104 tq @ 3400 rpm and 91 HP at 5k rpm. It has been a few years but seeing a 103 just a little higher with everything I had except the headwork gave me a good feeling. BTW: I have never noticed the valvetrain noise.
Great video GF. I put s&s585se cams in my 08 softail custom along with new roller rockers and rocker lockers. Great power all the way through the power range up to 6k.
Very low mechanical music on the top end.
I do quite a bit of cam swaps mostly high lift .560 & up mainly use high lift springs but lately I have been installing Kimblewhite beehive style springs & have noticed a quieter valve train . In my personal bike I'm running a .576 lift cam with Zippers 675 lift springs I know that's overkill but I also have a 647 redshift cam that I'm gonna try but it is noisy this winter I'm gonna redo the heads with 660 lift Kimblewhite beehives & try to still be able to swap to the 647 cam .right now the valves & spring will work with both cams ! Go big or go home !
Did the kibblewhite beehive springs reduce the noise?
@@davidhickman647 yes they are not as noisy !
Back in 2014 I had a '02 Sporty 883 that came in to my workshop with a lot of valve train/ rocker box noise. I put a Zippers Performance pushrod & hydraulic lifter kit in it. I kept the stock cams and it actually ran better and as quiet as a new engine.
I love learning all of the tips and information you share about HD engines and bikes. Been planning a Sportster project and the information goes a long way. Now to do something about the noises my Kawasaki makes! lol
I put redshift 528 in my 2003 twin cam. Bored to 98 from 88. S&S ported heads. Nice cams. 104 tq. 90hp.
My 117 with a red shift 468,d&d 2 into 1 the party starts right around 2000 and holds that line to damn near 5000….110hp,126 torque.i wanted low end and midrange power and that’s exactly what i got.
good video my man!
Hey GF you are once again right on the money. I installed a RS 468 last year and honestly I really have not been able to hear much of any change in valve train noise. One other point, the brand of engine oil you use can help quiet a noisy top end too. Thanks again GF.
To me that's a Harley Lowrider I like the noises it's music to my ears and spirit
I’ve had a tick for probably the last 15k miles. I did feuling cams, camplate, oil pump, cam bearings, s&s lifters, and even rocker lockers. Still there
Glad you are back and well! on another note,
2014 street glide stage4 40,000 miles. I did a three hole. Road 44 miles and drained the 6 ounces over filled in primary. No metal on plug but the oil was already gray again???? Is this normal???
James W
That's the best HD shirt design ever. Well top three anyway! 👍
I had to think about this for a second. What valve train noise? I don’t hear any. I hear the music of the engine. But then, I remembered, I wear ear plugs. I like my good hearing. I wouldn’t get on my bike without them. Woods 222. I absolutely love that cam in my 103. Thanks for another great video.
Ear plugs are the business, well done 👍👍👍
I heard if going with a Woods TW-555-6R cam and a 98" big bore kit on a 99 to 06 twin cam you should probably have CNC heads or at least update to heavier valve springs. Same probably goes if you're going to S & S big bore kit and 585 cams most likely.
I bought a used Road King with a lot of motor work and high lift cams. There is a lot of valve train noise. It took me a long time to accept that the noise was inherent with the work completed and nothing was wrong. Now that I have a baseline for normal valve train noise I am good. I think I can now tell what would be unusual or a bad noise. Good video. It would have been very good to get over my initial concerns. Thanks.
Great video, I put S&S585GtoG cams, fueling HP lifters, S&S roller rockers, S&S585 valve springs and rocker lockers. The valve train sounds quiet and smooth, with great power.
On what bike, Dyna?
@@johnarce9704 2010 roadglide
I will be doing cams soon on my 88b.... appreciate the info
rockerlocker, you just dont need them in your rocker box. you need them everywhere. i used that tech to quite my shifter but it's shity tolerances everywhere. yay harley! also if your doing rockerlockers you can use a set screw instead. i found a videro on here and it works great.
All of your videos are absolutely awesome. You bring that enthusiasm and love of H-D and 2 wheels into everything you present and it’s very much appreciated. Thanks!
i lost chain tensioners because of the stock harley cam plate (you went over the issues with it in another video) so i went through and did cams and a billet plate and oil pump and yeah the top end noise came down even with the woods 777 cams. having oil moving around certainly helps
Lol you should try to ride an old iron head you want to hear valve train noise! This new stuff is all quiet compared to that!
I am so glad you made this video! I am going to be doing a cam in my ‘21 FXLRS this fall or winter and had no idea it would increase my valve train noise! I absolutely HATE that valve train noise! I am willing to put up with some for the extra power and torque but I can’t have some crazy, aggressive, loud, valve chatter driving me insane every time I ride my motorcycle! The stock chatter the M8 makes is already kinda annoying. Sounds like I’ll be doing a S&S or something like that.
i read that the zipper red shift cams are great on low noise while not sacrificing performance. its what im looking at getting on my 107 M8
I did a 2012 103 Road Glide with an S&S 551 EZ Start Cam kit, comes with cams, plate, lifters, pushrods, S&S pump. Also did the head breathers new inner cam bearing (Torringtons) added a Vance and Hines FP3 tuner, S&S Power Duals Head Pipes and Kerker P.A.T. Slip-ons. Also re-routed the head breathers so they don't foul up the combustion air. Owner of the bike has a smile on his face everytime I see him, plus he won't be buying starter clutches anymore. If the pipes are loud enough the lifter noise shouldn't be an issue, lol. Actually the 551 kit isn't really noisy at all anyway.
This is good news because I'm going with the 551 too but not ez starts. Does the CRV help on start up?
@@RyDawg1904 CRV? Not familiar with that term EZ start cams spin over with way less effort, saves the starter.
Compression relief valve on top of cylinder head.
@@RyDawg1904 I didn't do anything with any of that, the heads where not pulled as the engine only had about 15,000 kilometers on it. Bike starts and runs awesome, getting better by the day, as the carbon is cleaning itself off the piston tops after rerouting the head breathers out of the intake. I also drilled the drain hole in the bottom of the head breathers slightly bigger (2 drill bit sizes) hoping the oil will drain back into the engine rather than coming out the breather bolts. so far I am not getting much oil coming out the hose at all. Also changed the filter in the head breathers as they get brittle a d shrink and probably let more oil through. I was surprised how brittle and shrunk they where, considering it only had 15,000k on it. It appears to me that these should be a regular service item.
Always wondered about your TH-cam name. IMO don't use a cam that requires larger valve springs if you don't have the cylinder heads to go with it. Roller rocker arms are nice too. Good video, keep em coming!
True statement 🤔 I put full S+S in my 2005 Deuce . I went.with.gear drive with 509 cams ( for lower down torque) instead of 510s that don't come on till about 4-4,500 rpm. These cams can be used without upgrading the springs. 👍😎🏴🇺🇸
i went from a 2001 XLH that didn't even run, to an arm stretcher in 9 months .... i mocked up the tune in Dynomation, and pipe band comes on just like the sim...still breaking in the fresh build and i already lofted the front end, in 2nd, the other day......Andrews N2s, stock lifters, aluminum push rods, rocker lockers, and S&S beehives...very mild gear click, is all.
a little over 10:1 compression, Daytona TwinTec double sparking cold plugs in polished chambers...the pipe boost has it wound up tight on 91+ octane....the party starts at 3 grand.
This is funny. You're sitting on an Engine with wheels and people complaining about the noise it makes? I grew up around Muscle Cars with BIG solid lifter cams and gear drives, 6-71 Blowers and Lenko Transmissions. To me when it's singing in harmony, it's glorious. Plus you have the added bonus of HEARING an issue, usually before you read it on a gauge.
Added a SE Power cam to my 2020 softail slim after completing stage 1 mods, enough motor for me!
No such thing!!
@@enricomandragona163 well, it’s only been 2 weeks, I’m sure you are correct! 😁
@@nickmurray721 I would at least know what I'm talking about before you go on Utube
@@enricomandragona163 thank you
@@nickmurray721 yw
Thanks for the video, I’m planning a cam replacement this winter so have been trying to figure out which one. Thanks for the info Great vid as always.
If things are clanking around, they're wearing out faster. Noise = wear. But if you're going so much faster, you have more time to rebuild it when you get there! It's always a trade off.
About to do Stage II on my 2022 RGS. Cycle Rama 480 Cam (after watching a different video), Feuling cam plate, Feuling oil pump, Feuling cam bearing. S & S Pushrod kit, Bassani 2 into 1, RRIII Stainless full length exhaust, Power vision tuner, 3 hours of Dyno time. The Dyno chart on the CR480 is amazing. Had the 122" SIII on a 2021 RGL. Was okay, but ran hot with SE road tuner & Cat. Heat issues alone are enough to make me swap off. The Bassani 2 into 1 quiets down nicely at cruise speed, enough exhaust note to get the sound we all want. Looking forward seeing the final result.
Well i have red shift 575 lift set in my 100 inch build with s&s heads and Graffeo Original Exhaust and tc88a ignition 10:5:1 cpr and 216 psi cranking pressure. On 93 it makes at the tire 125 hp and 115 lb ft and my top end sounds like a sewing machine for the 60s lol but god i love what i did to this bike.
Don't forget to upgrade the inner cam bearings because if the INA spits roller chunks into your engine you will be sad. Remember to use the CORRECT cam bearing puller because not every expanding puller collet that looks right is right. Ya might get away with it...or not.
I just want a lope. How about a race cam with a stock lift?
You can get a bolt in cam that will work with the stock valve springs and that will give it a good lope. Pretty much anything aftermarket that's not stock or Screamin Eagle will give it a good lope.
I think my pipes cover rocker noise 😁
Excellent info ; 🙏🙏🙏✊🏻👍👌
Right on! That's the way to do it!
@@GixxerFoo ✊🏻👍👌
The throttle blade soft clack was noticeable on the woods 222 on a 103....gave me fits till I accepted it . .it was a great recommendation...good content..carry on..
Did this cam make a huge difference for you?
@@JLK1978 yeah especially in the 1500 to 3500 rpm range. .I ride solo on flhx ..fuel moto parts, home install, fuelpac 3 map. .they sent me a custom map for de-cat stock head pipes and slip ons. ..for me a solid setup . hope it helps..carry on..
@@jongray9342 thanks for response. Sounds like a fun build.
I just put the screamin Eagle cam203 and camchest ,oil pumpand jims lifters. Made my little 88 seem like a different bike.
Thanks for the great info as always. I'll just stick with the stock M8 114 fast enough for me. 🚔
Got a stage 2 in my 2021 Road king. Thanks enough 🙏👍🏖
When I put the s@s 510 we went with a fueling hydro plate and up graded oil pump.S@S lifters everything $2000.00 in parts I think my motor runs quite compared to stock. So it seems.
Thanks for all the info!
Glad you are back and Hopefully Feel Better !!
Keep up the Good Work.
Atleast you have Not Lost your Way !!
Some of the Harley U-Tuber's go Off Towards a BMW, or Rice Rocket Direction , I am Loosing Interest in there U-Tubing because of it !!!
🛑🛑 The Rock and Roll noise of a Wood Cam is music to my ears😂👍
2019 FXLR M8-107 All Screamin’ Eagle upgrades
Only have 500 miles on her due to lower spine problems. This should be resolved in a month or so and will get back to riding, building up the mileage and letting the Auto Tuner do its thing. Hoping to break the 100 HP barrier afterwards…
RPM Torque HP
2200 95 40
2500 98 46
3460 104* 70
5820 92 97*
6000 85 86
Upgrades:
High intake air filter
High Intake Aluminum Manifold
Street Cannons
Torque Cam
PRO Street Tuner
Automatic tuning module with wide band O2 sensors
Enjoy your Videos, Thank you GF!
I found that running the bike a little on the rich side will decrease some of your valve train noise
🤔 hmmm maybe add some more oil!! Like 70 weight!!
Does a cam upgrade affect engine longevity?
Not if you upgrade the cam chest, cam plate, lifters, new high volume oil pump and you'll be good to go. But overall they don't affect longevity, for sure helps to add the supporting parts.
Gained 20+ hp/torque on my 88 flhrci with a ss509 cams, with feuling pushrods. My valve train was driving me nuts. Added some rocker lockers in the beginnings of the the season and it’s made a world of difference. Still a bit of added ting but dampened down a great deal compared to before the rockers were added 🦾
nice video maybe you could do one on on the M8 i was thinking of going with woods this winter now im rethinking
For the best of both worlds on an otherwise stock 103,an often overlooked cam choice is the S&S MR 103. The S&S 585 needs headwork & a bump in compression to work well in a stock compression,stock head 103. Without head work & compression bump,the MR 103 will perform just as well as the 585,or,other similar timed cams,without the lower rpm lag,or,noise,kicking in at over 100 ft/lb by 2500 rpm & holding above that out to past 5000. The MR 103 does it quietly too. My valve train after the swap,using S&S lifters ,was actually quieter than stock.
S&S designed the MR 103(mid range 103) cams specifically for the stock head,stock compression 103 motor. Breaking that 100 HP mark is a tuff job on a stock head 103,regardless of cams. The stock heads hit a wall at that point & going bigger on cams doesn't really add anything,except lack luster bottomend torque & most often tuning issues in the lower ranges. The comparison of dyno charts between the 585 & the MR 103 shows that very plainly. It is a different story tho,once the heads are worked & compression increased.
I'm going with S&S 551 because I do a lot of 2up and want the low end power.
@@RyDawg1904 if you have a 103 motor,the MR 103 cams will give as much,or,more low end torque, while holding out well past the 551 to make 8 to 10 more HP on the top end. That is provided it is properly supported with exhaust,breather, &,tuning. The 551 cams are really better suited to 88" & 96" motors & their lower compression.
Glad I read these post I just bought the MR103 cam. And oil pump and cam plate. I was told this is a very good all around cam any other recommendations on what to add when I have the install done already have pipes a dyno and a air breather installed for my 2014 FLHXS.
@@randyservello64 lifters. A good set of quality lifters is critical. The OE lifters are junk,especially once you start increasing lift,duration,&,likely more aggressive riding after the swap trying out your newfound power. You're gonna love the MR 103's Great all around cams for the stock 103 motor. Their not as well known as the Wood cams & others,but,they should be. They don't get shoved in your face on every forum,group,or,channel like some of the others do.
I already have the 551 so I'm going to give them a try. I looked at MR103 and they do make more HP but not until 4500 rpm and I don't ride much past that. I'll let you guys know how I like the 551 next week.
Thanks yeah damn right there noisy. But for a 110 10.1 make some respectable numbers before I refresh on my CVO 60,000 miles crazy but it’s still 120 pounds and 119 hp I found a bigger 58 mm throttle body on eBay for 100 bucks and I got the heads done. I’m thinking it should noisy. I did the rocker lockers. I don’t know if they did anything.
Oh yeah thanks for your content! I always learn from your Video's.
Welcome back. Appendices is a painful experience!
Another great explanation. Thanks!!
Cams and gears sound like a tank depending on the oil used.. But I have no worries with tensioners anymore...
Good man, always a worthwhile and relaxing watch.....NZ
This was a very informative video. You may have saved me some money I dont want any additional noise I may rethink my idea of taking my stage 1 and skipping Stage 2. I wonder is SE cam causes a tick the torque one specifically . Im 135 lbs and ride a Roadglide 2020 I t is quick enough as it is. Really dont need any more power in exchange for valve train noise. Tell me what you think You make the best videos dont know how how I missed this one. Keep up the good work.
On a Milwaukee 8 you'll have a little more valve noise with a performance cam, I wouldn't waste my money on a SE cam honestly. If you want a bang for buck and make it worth the money to swap a cam Wood WM822XE is the way to go.
I listen to your videos you knew all about let's make this bike Rock
I used a fueling 525 also S&S cam plate, oil pump, lifters and push rods it runs very strong no noise at all. I like the 585 S&S cams but you have to grind the inside of the cases not for me. Great video buddy. 🤙
Thanks for your post on the Fueling 525 cams. I was hoping GixerFoo would mention them as they are the cams that I’ve thought of installing in my ‘06 FXDWGI along with a Fueling cam plate with hydraulic tensioners and high volume oil pump. I bought this bike this year as my first Harley and have found that it’s been everything that I wanted. Now after riding this summer I’m not sure that I want, or need any more than what this 88 TC puts out (it looks like old age is catching up with me and I’m starting to ride like an old geezer). It was also great to find out my dumb luck in getting the ‘06 Dyna Wide Glide in that it was one of the only ‘06 models to come from the factory with hydraulic cam chain tensioners rather than spring tensioners. GixxerFoo also told me that it had the ‘07 96 TC heads on ‘06 for some reason. Anyhow thanks for relating how your Fueling cams are running in your TC.
Most Fueling cams are broad tip cams & make good power,but,without all the noise & accelerated valve train wear that can come some of the more aggressive cams. The minor gains from Wood & other aggressive cams is very negligible unless your looking the absolute max HP ,or,1/100th second at the track. Fir the average street ridden bike,the noise will be more noticeable than any power gains you'll notice.
I put the feuling 525's, plate, oil pump and hydro tensioners in my 01 softail. With a fuel moto tune and its not any louder than stock. But there is definitely more seat of the pants power for sure. The power is in a streetable rpm range for my riding style too. Money well spent.
@@patrickjoy9551 Yes I also used a feul moto tune the bike pulls real strong just like you said great investment 💯
MR Foo any chance you could do one of your vlogs on cams for us sportster owners thanks.hope your getting better !!
Another great video, as usual. I like what I see from Woods cams in regards to what power and torque they produce. I don't care too much about the noise people talk about. However, what has prevented me from getting them was my concern about the increase in wear and tear on the motor from the cam design.
What are your thoughts on that?
Love the shirt! SPORTSTER4LIFE
Feuling makes good cams that are easy on the valetrain.
What about running solid roller lifters and just adjusting the clearances yourself?
TW 222 all the way!
The Zippers Red Shift 468 is great for a stock 107.
100% agree, we put one in my friends 2018 Street Glide... holy hell it sounded good and ran very well even with the Screamin Eagle Tuner. We could of got more out of it with a Power Vision tuner but the power was good with the SE.
Any good recommendations for a bolt in cam for a twin cam 88? Don’t want to do any top end work, just a bolt in….
👍Amazing, a sensible question with no feedback...... What a trip.......Just what I want to ask.
Good video and explanation on valve train noise.
I dig your videos, but I got a question. I bought a Softail with a 131 merch performance Evo motor, what can the cam and pushrods are Jacked, what lifters and cam would you recommend for big street power, I was thinking a wood W10F but I'm not sure it'll fit. Not much info on these motors.
You are the cam upgrade guru!
I have a weird obsession with cams, it's the heart of everything!
Just did a stage II on my 2010 Ultra Classic 96" TC. Went with Andrews 48's, and got a professional dyno tune. I figure I gained 20 points over stock on HP and Torque. The bike's top end is quieter after the cam swap and tune. All I hear is rocker shaft tick. I'll probably get rocker lockers. Only downside to the cam swap was my MPG went from 44 to 35, and I'm very conservative on the throttle. I only reef on it when I have to get out of a bad situation. And thats only happened 3 times in the last 2 months. Overall I'm very happy with the upgrade.
power takes fuel.
@@southernspazz2262 Yup...even if you don't use it.
@CNYJODY
GET another dyno guy. My 103 with 57h cams has 108 hp 116 TQ & still gets 43.5 MPG
& I’m opposite of you on the throttle
Yea i went with andrews 57h in my 96. And all i hear is the Rocker tic now. Way quieter than stock. Bike has SE air cleaner, Vance and Hines 2 into 1 big radius, feuling cam plate, hp lifters and oil pump, s&s quickie pushrods, power commander 5 with auto tune set up. Haven't put on a dyno yet but the screams. Very pleased with it
@@proamericanstoptyranny1260 what is your oil pressure running at with that can plate? Considering Fueling and Woods for my build.
Love my andrews 48h
omg yes, the valvetrain noise scared the shit out of me when I first put in my cam
I like valve train noise it's magic to the ears
Hi GixxerFoo, I have found out that my 2003 deuce has had a pair of SS T510G have been fitted, geared , not sure if oil pump has been replaced, as it still has HD cam plate, I have ordered bearings and seals, for the primary side, I think I need to invest in some extra tools
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That's always a nice surprise to find some upgrades in there!
@@GixxerFoo Hi GixxerFoo, not sure if it as had a big bore kit to 1550’ with out taking the heads off, not doing that, the previous owner only had the bike for a year, and his ex has burnt or got rid off all invoices, I am trying to sort out mis fire , I think it was air leaking at manifold, but I am changing all new jets in carb , new coil and leads , I have already replaced O rings in carb but still have problems, so putting new jets in, and manifold gaskets,
Just waiting for primary seals and bearing/gaskets,
I when to HD and order the parts, I now been told 5-6 weeks for delivery, that is not good, I should of ordered from aftermarket components, like Jim,s et cetera bearings I can get the next day and seals , from Europe, outlet, ride safe, and free.
I had a Woods cam and couldn't stand the valvetrain noise so I yanked it and sold it. I tried pushing the pushrods down into the lifter and it didn't help. Great performer but horrible noise. Went with the EV27...
EV 27 is a great cam... I loved mine in my Road King
Best cam Andrew's makes!! I guess you have an EVO motorcycle. The TW-37 is the same thing for twincams
@@enricomandragona163 yeah, that's all I'll ever own. I have a collection
@@martinkeet8373 sweet!
@@kennethwise7108 I'm a shovel guy mostly
Howdy, love your channel, now do have a question, I have a 03' Dyna anniversary 1450cc, 15000 miles and thinking on a new cam, so can I have your ideas on what I can and cannot do, and who might have a good cam, I do ride just about everyday and do lot of city riding, but I do hit the highways and just want some more kick 😉 if you know what I mean... any help would make me a happy viewer... 😊 thanks for the help...
What woods cam would you pick and why? Tw222 or tw999?
Will these cams shorten the life of my cycle being so aggressive?
With all the supporting parts going in with the cams it won't hurt your longevity. The 999 is a very high torque cam, it comes on really strong and hard where the 222 is much smoother broad overall cam. I would go with the 999 myself since I really like big torque and horsepower that peaks pretty early, I don't ever really run the bike out.
@@GixxerFoo thanks brother. I want to do it right and add the other parts to my stage 2, 103 heritage. I personally don't like to hit 4k rpm and like to stay lower down and want the extra power mainly for passing vehicles on highways or getting out of the way quicker.
I put Words 222 in my 103 and didn’t really notice any more value train noise unless I lug it a bit