Lebron James stats in his first finals vs SA: 22.5 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 35% FG!!! and 6 turnovers :D And it was not even his worst finals performance. How people even dare to compare MJ with him? That's not normal man!
Jordan *NEVER* lost to lower seeded teams in playoffs. Lebron OTOH 3-peat lost to LSTs from 09 to 11. Jordan 3-peats as a *champ* while Lebron 3-peats as a *choker.* This GOAT debate is totally noise.
@@BastienBelangeryou do realize dude has had Wade and AD(just naming his top 2 teammates). AD, the dude that averaged 28 PPG in their chip run and was huge defensively. So you can make all the excuses you want but no matter how you slice it Bron hasn’t been as dominant against his competition
@@BastienBelanger On average athletes will also be better after 20 years. Does it mean that you need to automatically change goats after every couple of decades? :) I don't think so. It does not work that way...
Fun Fact: Former Milwaukee Buck Terry Cummings is the only guy to ever outscore Michael Jordan in a playoff series, he outscored MJ by 0.2 points in their 1985 first-round matchup. MJ was a rookie, and this never happened again.
@mvpfocus I used a .pct instead of a number. It's the same thing. It's called math. Decimals, percentages, averages, It's all math. Know one else made this comment. I'm getting commented on by not using ppg, instead of the actual comment that he was outscored once. I didn't have to look that stat up to make a comment on it. I already knew it. I can articulate dozens more stats about Jordan that most people in this chat never knew about and people would still attack the comment instead of acknowledging it.
Was just going back and forth with a LeStan saying '95 was Jordan's '11. Even without context, losing to young Shaq and Penny, 31 ppg is a different universe than 18 ppg L behind Jason Terry.
Not to mention that Jordan was away from basketball for nearly 2 years. These LeBron groupies are so pathetic & desperate. Even if Jordan _"choked"_ in 1995, it will NEVER be as horrible as LeBron in 2007, 2011, 2014, or 2018 (considering his teams were slapped all around the court in the last two series).
@@atlien1988 Yup, you mentioned 18 but really in 17 with healthy Irving, Love playing great, Durant napalmed LeBron for 35 PPG, no defensive effort both years but Mike defended guys in all Finals.
Lebron's 09-10-11 choke threepeat is often excused. If you have better record, great defense, shooters, prime MVP, you should WIN. Jordan ALWAYS won with better record.
the thing about that ‘92 series against the heat; rex chapman had a good game against mike in the regular season and was talkin trash to him on the court. mike turned around did 43ppg on 60% in the first round on him 😂😂😂 GOAT
The best quote I ever heard about Jordan is that his career is so amazing that we wouldn’t even believe it really happened if not for the fact that it was all recorded on video.
45 points on 60% shooting is sick, Jordan is not human. As you said, there is a massive difference between just being beaten that happens in sports, Muhammad Ali, Tom Brady and MJ all lost but all showed up and did their part. Kobe, LeBron, Shaq all choked and didn't uphold their end of the deal. And with LeBron I consider Miami a choke cuz 2 out of 4 with 3 of the top 10 players in the league on 1 team is just pathetic man lol
I wouldn't say Kobe was a choker, LeBron used to choke for years until he finally stepped up and that was at the tail end of the numerical prime (since he had probably the longest prime of anyone to exist, tail end of the numerical prime meaning around about 31-32), and Shaq was just terrible at free throws and getting hack-a-shaq'd at every turn of every meaningful game (despite spending every off season as a holiday instead of working on free throws), but Kobe is and was the closest representation of Jordan's greatness, and Kobe basically modeled his game after Jordan. So that tells you A LOT about MJ as the ultimate competitor, even Kobe couldn't surpass Prime Jordan competitiveness.
The original video’s commentator should’ve done his homework and known that the ‘95 Magic series was the result of playing baseball for nearly two years. Prime or not, that impacts your game time shot, handle, defense, etc. That shows how incredible his ability was that he could still perform at what would be considered All Star level for any other player.
Notice how Bird and Magic still contributed otherwise when they werent playing up to their normal dominance. This is why Lebron is not a top 10 player. He never played to contribute. He only played to be praised and his teams achievements Lebron absorbed as him winning. While his failures and his teams failures are only attributed to them according to the script written for the "Choking One".
Just my opinion but the Best Bulls Team was either ‘92 (BJ says “something unlocked” - MJ “figured out basketball”, lol) or ‘96 (72-10). However, “Prime Jordan” was in 1988 which was a non-championship season. - Lead scorer - Steals Leader - Defensive Player of the Year - All-Defensive First Team - MVP You want proof that Michael Jordan has never choked? He’s never been on any All-NBA Second/ Third Team. He doesn’t have any Silver or Bronze medals.
Jordan's peak, at least based on RS stats, was from 87/88 to 90/91... In fact I think his three best individual seasons are 87/88, 90/91 and 95/96 in no particular order.
@@mavsfanforever7919 So leading in scoring and steals is a participation award, and not a statistical award? And by your logic two of LeBron's regular season MVP's are participation trophies because he didn't make the Finals. same for several of his All-NBA selections.
How can any LeBalco fan still think he could touch Jordan's legacy. I mean come on no amount of playing longevity could surpass Jordan. Try as he might James' stat padding will never get him to surpass the "other 23". Once LeChoke finally retires and the stats are tallied and compared, the truth will emerge on who is the GOAT and it won't even be close..
Would the leader of sports vote a mere basketball player over Babe Ruth, Muhammad Ali, and Jim Brown, if said basketball player ever choked??? You can easily argue that the leader of sports did in-fact vote Michael Phelps, Serena Williams, and Lionel Messi over a mere basketball player because said basketball player has indeed choked, and choked on more than one (1) occasion. ESPN just voted the TOP-4 of the Top-100 athletes of the 21st-Century: 1) Michael Phelps, 2) Serena Williams, 3) Lionel Messi, and 4) LeBron James. But when ESPN voted the TOP-4 of the Top-100 athletes of the 20th-Century, they voted: 1) Michael Jordan, 2) Babe Ruth, 3) Muhammad Ali, and 4) Jim Brown. So even the very same ESPN, who is struggling to hold LeBron James in Michael Jordan’s GOAT conversation, voted Michael Phelps to be the GOAT of the 21st-Century and Michael Jordan to be the GOAT of the 20th-Century. Many consider Michael Jordan to be the historical GOAT of American Sports in-general….so it’s impossible for LeBron James to be the Goat of basketball because ESPN has Michael Jordan and Michael Phelps in an all-Century GOAT debate and LeBron James is nowhere close….Babe Ruth, Serena Williams, Muhammad Ali, and Lionel Messi were voted closer to Michael Jordan than LeBron James was voted to Michael Jeffrey Jordan, and this was LeSPN who voted this truth.
Michael Jordan is widely regarded across the entire sporting world as the greatest athlete of all time. Kids need to google that and watch their LeBron stanning worlds come crumbling down...
My boss is Argentinian and played futbol at one of the lower professional levels for a short stint. He was happy seeing his birth country win the World Cup recently, but disagreed with opinions that Messi became the greatest athlete ever after that win. My boss still regards Michael Jordan as the greatest individual athlete of any sport ever.
Choke: [verb] A player or athlete whose performance suddenly deteriorates at a critical point in performance or competition. This definition is the antithesis [that’s means opposite kids] of how Michael Jordan played in the regular season, playoffs, or finals. If anything, Michael Jordan excelled under pressure - in fact, win or lose, his per game averages INCREASED during the playoffs and finals. So, the term “choke” never applied to this alien.
i'll use a football analogy. we can confidently say Lamar Jackson has largely choaked in the playoffs. Meanwhile Josh Allen has balled out in the playoffs at a higher level then he plays in the regular season. they both have failed to win a superbowl, but there is a big difference between why. The ravens have failed because LJ has dumped a load on the turf. Meanwhile the Bills have failed because the Bills (collectively) have dumped a load on the field, JA has balled out in the playoffs.
@@arizona_anime_fan that's the same logic that LeBron fans use to take the blame off of him after a loss. The offense starts with the quarterback in football. So if the bills dropped a deuce on the field, then Josh Allen played his part in those "deuce droppings"
@@llc8508 see it's comments like this that let me know you have never bothered to look at JA's playoff stats. the dude has one of the best career playoff numbers in history. whatever you think about him in the regular season the dude balls in the playoffs. i mean we're talking patrick mahomes level show in the playoffs. he's been let down again and again by his team.
People will often say "I never saw MJ play, therefore I cannot say he's the goat" I say "You never saw MJ play, therefore you cannot say he ISN'T the goat!" Honestly, MJ is the goat and there is never going to be a debate against this in my eyes, I don't like the guy, I was always a Kobe Bryant fan, and even I can't dispute the facts, MJ is the bball GOD, even Jesus Shuttlesworth can't dispute that, name and all.
With those LBJ super fans? Just use their logic against them and see them fold or lose themselves, and then use whatever they defend their argument with back again and they will just came up with the line " you are just a LBJ hater " as a result, very similar in how a feminist argues.
19:09 that single action shows how much more difficult that era was, MJ moving outside and not waiting for the paint to be empty, but just a little gap to move for the dunk with 3 guys trying to defend on him!
And when they try to cry “ well, if he had to play against hand checking, that means he got to hand check on defense too!”, and that’s why it was that much harder back then, no resting on defense, while offense was more work too.
They were playing in the triangle in (85') before phil was hired in 87' as an assistant but the difference was when Scottie and Grant became confident and strong enough ,Phil had the head coaching job by that time. Everyone talks about they won because of phil and the triangle but they won because Pip and Grant were better and phil was the recipient of Doug Collins' hard work because they were making the playoffs when Collins was the head coach but they just couldn't get by the Pistons because Scottie and Grant wasn't ready ,yet. PS It took 3 years for Scottie and Horace to be ready to beat the Pistons and go on to help Jordan to win a 3-peat.
Another fun thing to think about MJ and the playoffs is that when he was with the Bulls... he never missed them. Not even once. His rookie season all the way up to that shot over Russell.
I can't think of one sports player in history dominate an all time great team and win. Jordan came the closest. And it was his 2nd year in the league! "That wasn't Michael Jordan out there. That was God disguised as Michael Jordan." -Larry Bird.
Jordan Lost 7 playoff series. His lowest ppg 27.4 (49.1 percent) vs Pistons 29.3 (43.6 percent) vs Bucks 29.7 (46.0 percent vs Pistons Lebron lowest ppg in Playoff defeat 17.8 (47.8 percent) Dallas 22.2 (35.6 percent) Spurs 26.7 (35.5 percent) Boston Jordan worst FG Percentage in defeat 41.7 percent (35.7 ppg) on a bulls team that was blown up. 43.6 percent (29.3 ppg) vs bucks as rookie 46 percent (29.7 ppg) vs Pistons Lebron shot under 40 percent 3 times in defeat. Some playoff numbers. Lebron played 282 playoff games Jordon played 179 playoff games. games under 40 percent shooting Lebron 49 Jordan 28 Greater then 5 TOV Lebron 52 Jordan 18 Greater then 10 assists Lebron 38 Jordan 20 Less then 20 points Lebron 30 Jordan 6 Less then 15 points Lebron 7 Jordan 0 Less then 16 point Lebron 15 Jordan 1 At the end of the day Jordan's worst playoff points 15, 17, 18, 18, 19 Lebron 7, 8, 10, 10. TOV Jordan 8, 8 Lebron 10, 10, 13 greater then 7. Lowest Game Score Jordan 2.6, 6.8, 7.7 Lebron -0.7 , -0.1 8 lower then 7.7 Highest Game Score Jordan 49.8, 47.2, 42.5 Lebron 44.7, 43.8, 42.8
Just wanted to add that FG requirements for shooting guard and forward are different. Koby had just 2 play off seasons when his FG was higher than 46%. And his total playoffs FG% is 44%....
@@davidjavakhadze1542 lebron was also under 50 percent shooter for career through 2016 when the NBA started spacing like nothing Jordan ever experienced who played through injury and swapped two prime years for age 39 and 40 half of which he played on a surgically repaired knee. Lebron against hand checking has the career numbers of injured Jordan. Has never beaten an in prime HOF big in a playoff series. Has a higher FG percentage at age 38 then 2011. Was never part of a dynasty. Finally Jordan took 21.2 two point attempts per game 8.2 FTA Lebron 15 two point attempts per game 7.6 FTA. Kobe 15.3 two point attempts per game 7.2 FTA.
@@JC-Utopic-Gauntletyou mention handchecking like that rule wasn’t removed after brons rookie year. You guys love to provide the best context for your almighty God and for no other players who get compared to him
1995, MJ was still the best player on the floor, on both teams. 2011, Lebron was the 5th best player on the floor, on both teams. Those are not remotely comparable. Yet another Lenarrative exposed. Btw, they always forget LeChoke choked in 07,09,10,11,17 and 18. Dude quit on his teams a ton as well. They are not in the same universe.
I liked LeBron when he first came in. I was excited there was a chance of another great player. I am a Celtics fan from Boston, and watched him quit on the Cavs against them in the late 2000’s multiple times. And then the decision to go to Miami changed my entire opinion on him for good
I will be laughing my butt off if MJ choke. All the lost he fought till the end. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ At least MJ didn’t leave the bulls after six years of losing stay till at the end of the two three peat🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ the early year the bull were crap team but MJ hold on to it. As always Bro you have a great day ahead. Hope to see after dark later man ☕️
A choke is when for a season and playoffs you have averaged in the high 20s in points and around 3 turnovers and then in the series you lose you average 17 with an abysmal low of 7 points and your turnovers end up at 4.
5+ maybe but 4?? it's just 1 average higher. In the playoff most player have higher turn over. but if you almost doubled your turn over it could definitely be considered a choke.
@@shade0180 yeah, the turnovers in general weren’t bad but in that series he had an uptick and they happened most Y in the 4th qtr which is where the choke is. But his scoring dropped of a cliff and his 4th qtr scoring was one of the worst by a star player ever. He averaged around 2 points.
You know that Anthony Edwards said that MJ was the only player with any skill when he played so that's why (according to Anthony Edwards) why MU was so good, and then he added that the fact he was the only player with any skill back in the 1990s is why everybody was so wowed by Kobe and Kobe's skills, 🤣😂🤣 Then in his same statement he added that in today's NBA **EVERYBODY** is skilled 😂 Anthony Edwards trying to bring down MJ and his game, his accomplishments saying MJ had no competition...You know....Not like today's NBA where according to Anthony Edwards, everybody in the league is highly skilled. 😂
@@TheRealMindCrime Yeah, imagine Anthony Edwards trying to dunk with Mutombo under the hoop, Mourning, David Robinson, and so many other all time great shot blocking big men under the hoop, which MJ had to deal with, he doesn't seem like he could handle it, not like MJ did, for sure. 😁
MJ NEVER LOST‼️ Better teams simply had to BEAT HIM because he was as never gonna let them off the hook with a poor/unmotivated performance like all the other greats you mentioned in the beginning. I never seen any of his teams lose and felt like he was to blame for it at all
A lot of what doesn’t get talked about also I don’t remember Jordan really screening so he could get a weak defender on him unlike players of today the better you are the more Jordan wanted to go at you both offensively and defensively
Hahahaha! Just because Balco ia a known Choker doesn't meen other NBA greats should have that as well. 95 Mike? He played what 1/6 of the season? I think Balco played almost all season in 11, 07, 14, 15. 18. Pe leeease! These Balco Boys are really DAF.
The one comparison that's missing is the comparison to their regular season numbers and the numbers compared to other series in the same playoff run. Eg, if the player avg 30ppg in the regular season, and maybe 31/32 ppg in 1st/2nd round then does 19ppg in a series loss... that would look more like a choke because the drop off in production has a bit more context.
I wouldn't say there were many notable occasions of MJ choking (e.g. losing when he was supposed to win), but there were moments of him subject to being overwhelmed by superior teams (happens to everybody at some point), especially early and late in his career. He encountered his share of setbacks and frustrations too before and after the 1990s.
jordan is not a one man show. without dennis rodman joining the bulls jordan would have ALOT less rings. the fact that the only guy in the league (rodman) that knew how to guard jordan was also playing for the bulls was a big help to Jordan getting the second 3peat
If you can take out 95 Jordan due to health you can take out Larry Bird for 88. And keep in mind he was injured his entire career. Busted fingers bad back from the beginning.
I'm going to borrow your AI-bulls analogy vs MJ-Celtics as a point, people in comments always come at me saying MJ is 0-9 agains't Bird and was not the best player. btw AI is my favorite player.
Off topic but to Kobe’s defense. That was a stout defensive pistons team. It’s not like getting stopped by jj barrea and the jet. Also, not having Malone for that series is what lost us the championship. Yeah, Kobe did try to shoot out of a slump so maybe I have to rewatch that series to see if I agree. Love the content 🙌🏾
Using that Game Score metric, Jordan was only outplayed two times in a playoff series, both times by just 0.4 game score points. One of those instances included his teammate Pippen who had an otherworldly series, which he needed to have in order to outplay Jordan who averaged 30ppg on 61% true shooting that series. LeBron has been outplayed 21 times. TWENTY ONE TIMES. This includes being outplayed by multiple players in the same series _multiple times_ and being outplayed by teammates in the same series multiple times. He was once outplayed by nearly 10 game score points, which is absolutely huge for anyone who knows how that metric is calculated.
Choking can only happen when you don't show up and lose to an inferior team while having other current all stars on your team. Never happened to MJ. So screw that narrative. He was always the best player on the floor and MJ didn't get upset and leave to form a super team.
Can't believe we have to sit here and have a conversation about who the greatest player of all time is. His "worst" performances would be anyone else's career highlight. MJ is cut from a piece of cloth, maybe the Shourd of Turin(😂), that we'll never see again.
There is difference between choking and just losing. I think one of the worse series Jordan had was against Indiana 98 where he still played ok but not as great as he usually did. Choking is meant when you don't show up or quit. Lebron against golden state with kd or Dallas. Everyone loses more than winning except bill Russell. I hate this changing meaning of things the pro lebron do. Jordan choked because he lost or Jordan quitted twice instead of saying he retired for example
What people need to understand about many LeBalco followers is that they only care about a narrative, NOT facts and stats. This reminds me of politics.
MJ shot well in his rookie season. He averaged 28ppg on 52% shooting. The only season he shot under 50% in the 80s was in the 85-86 season when he broke his foot.
I didn’t finish the video yet, but My opinion, i think MJs worst playoff series was in the 1997 ECF vs the Miami Heat. MJ averaged 30ppg on 39% shooting.
@TheRealMindCrime please, please, please try to find a way to do an MJ vs LeBron game score comparison!! Lebron has plenty of playoff/finals fail ammo and I think that would put the nail in the coffin on the GOAT debate. I already know that MJ is superior but it would be nice for his fanboys to see... Yet more proof. Love the channel and keep the vids coming!!
Another thing, jordan second leading scorer Orlando woolridge in 1986 playoffs against celtics. I think they could have won a game if he wasn't injured
MJ was clutch no doubt, the 🐐. Championships, and especially dynasties are proof of an owner and organization going “all in” on winning no matter the cost. I hate the yankees but it is easier to win Professionally when cost is not an option. These same bulls dynasty did not end because it “organically” degenerated, but it was a decision by the organization; the same one that started it. Jodan,pippen, brown, horace,harper, kukoc, even if they wanted to be there does not mean they would be there. But they were complete teams 1-8,1-9 not just top heavy not just a deep team, a complete team.
*Man! Jordan totally choked versus the Magic in the 1995 Playoffs* Got RIPPED clean by Nick Anderson. After he switched back to No. 23 too. But that doesn't change the rest of his career. The best. BY FAR.
If MJ at his peak is a 100 and the next best player is a 75, MJ is getting knocked when he only plays at 80. Some it's also his fault he was on a team of 20s in his early career going up against the best teams in the league. It's unbelievable what the LeStans will try to come up with.
In most cases, when MJ had slightly lower stats in a playoff series, he was still the best player on both teams. The statistics were lower only compared to himself.
Lets be honest, Kawhi's bad reputation is one-hundred percent undeserved. Anytime he steps on the court when he is healthy he is the best 2way player on the floor hands down. Steven A gave his take on Kawhi 🙄, funny how Steven A wanted to be a hooper but he had a career ending injury and decided journalism was his meal ticket. But then he goes on to say he understands when players are injured and then goes into saying Kawhi never plays...well yes he never plays when he is injured!!! So why is Steven A complaining? Why are so many others? Popovich slandered his name the last year he was with the Spurs; team docs cleared Kawhi, he still felt his body wasnt feeling like it should and he went out of state for second opinion. This is when Pop starts becoming unprofessional and saying ask Kawhis camp or ask his uncle when reports ask his status...blatent disrespect. See this is the problem with yall Kawhi haters...when someone you personally know or care about has a doctor who isnt listening or fulfilling patients needs yall would be the same ones saying get a second opinion if your not satisfied and feel your concerns arent being addressed. But here yall go with the hypocracy and want to call people out with no evidence of them having ill intentions or motives that are unpure. One thing as a man or decent human being never question another persons medical issues until they divulge different or evidence has been shown that theyre not injured. Kawhi always plays his hardest when he is on the court! Say im wrong and tell me a game? He always gives maximum effort and energy not only on offense but on defense too. I hope those who speak on Kawhi never have to know how it feels to be trying to take care of your own medical issues but have more people who dont know or care about you speak bad about you because your taking care of your medical ailments. A little empathy goes along way...not excuses but empathy. Lebron used it as a scapeg.o.a.t. "at the end of the day its just basketball" but im using it to remind people that its just a game! I dont want any players playing injured just so I can see them play...that may cause them to suffer a life changing injury. Somethings are more important then your need to be entertained.
Kawhi was healthy enough to play as everyone on the spurs sees him practice for hours everyday but he didn't want to because it wasn't a championship team and he just wanted to go back to LA. But the next year he plays for the raptors with the same injury because he has a championship team to show how great he is so can sign as a unrestricted free agent with the lakers or clippers.
Go search on TH-cam the Full Game 1 of the 1995 series against the Orlando Magic. The total time of the video should be 1:52:24 in length. It’s not hard to find. Start at 5:25 into the video and watch for just one minute. You’ll see why MJ’s dribbling wasn’t there.
Out of the top 100 games scores M.J. holds 20 spots and he holds the #1 #2 and #3 spots David Robinson is 4th and then Lebron then a few more M.Js lol but 20 outta 100 is insane
@@TheRealMindCrime Yeah it's insane right? Now think about what he did & the time he did it in. Then think about the fact he's drafted 3rd after Olajuwon & Drexler but then wins a gold medal before ever stepping on a NBA court and led the Olympic team in scoring with 17.1 pts. per game. Which during that very game this is the first time we actually hear the term G.O.A.T. The announcer said "We are watching a player who's gonna become the Greatest Player Of All Time" I bet Houston and Portland felt like fools after the Olympics for not drafting him lol. I really don't think that alot of people realize just how great of a ball player he really was tbh. Now think about everything you know about him playing ball and what he accomplished in 11 full seasons. I say 11 full seasons cuh he broke his foot missing 64 games and his returning from retirement missing 65 games that season. So his percentage of ships to seasons is 6 out of 11 making it 54.55% lol But 6 out of 13 is 46.15%. After knowing what you know think about the fact that he wasn't STAT CHASING & imagine what he would've accomplished stat wise if he was a STAT CHASER. What i find hilarious is that there is a narrative that the longer you play without accomplishing anything significant makes you a great or even (dare I say) the greatest player of all time? lmmfao. Here's a great question: If you were gonna get drafted and they told you: Hey listen for you career your gonna play for 25 yrs your gonna win 4 ships with 3 different teams and your gonna break the all time scoring record since you'll be playing for 25 yrs. You won't be the best scorer but 1 yr your career. You won't have to play defense at all. You won't be the best at any category in the game but we are going to have the media keep telling everyone your a king and your the best player ever but you won't ever have to prove it at all. Now your 2nd option is you can play for 13 seasons win an Olympic gold medal before starting your NBA career lead the best NBA players in the world in scoring that game. Then you will go to the playoffs every year of your entire career and you win a 6 straight championships while winning the MVP & FINALS MVP. You will also break multiple NBA records and most of those records will never be beaten. The fans will crown you the GOAT but you will never agree with that statement and you will be the standard of greatness. Which career do you think people will chose if they had a choice?
come on now, NEVER in my MIND nor in MJ MENTALITY that he choke nor scared to take any CHALLENGES... it is so lame excuse nor arguments to throw at him.. as he mentioned in MJ commercial many times he was entrusted to take the last shot and failed, so in that statement alone we must know that MJ never doubt on his ability...
In 95, his body would be hitting the mid season wall for a season... he was gassed in 4th quarters. Had he played 10 more regular season that year he would have made it past the wall and been an even better player than he was in those Orlando games. The. BULLS should have swept this Orlando Magic team too....
Don't dismiss the possibility of Kobe tanking the 2004 finals on purpose to get rid of shag. It would be a Kobe move to do that even at the cost of a championship to build his own legacy...
When Jordan played against that 86 Celtics championship team and had that 63 point game he was so much better than everybody (including Bird) that frankly it was laughable. It looked like an adult playing against a bunch of kids. Even when he clearly had no talent around him you could see what was coming. He NEVER had a bad playoff series...not one. Lebron was outscored by Jason fucking Terry in the NBA finals. JASON TERRY!! LMAO He was horrible against Dallas and SA and is 4-6 in the finals.
I like how he had to just throw in the same narrative that gets thrown around for years by Bron fans, even Jordan fans being taught this line of thinking. Jordan beat the Lakers without Kareem. Uh Kareem was 43 and two years retired/Bron beat the bad boys 2.0 at such a young age! Uh, they didn't have Larry Brown and Ben Wallace anymore and years removed from their title run. Jordan didn't beat the Pistons until they were old!/LeBron had to face the Celtics big 3! LeBron beat the Celtics big 3. Uh Pistons were younger than any of those C's big 3 teams. But as far a the Kareem thing, it's like they dont want to credit that Magic led them to the Finals or they want to act like Kareem just wasn't available for the Finals so Jordan had it easy. This is runner up MVP Magic Johnson one year removed from b2b MVP and 3 in the past 4 seasons. "Magic was past his prime!"
One of the funniest and dumbest arguments I've seen LeBron fans use is how they'll say Jordan never lost when he had the better team, meaning he was never the victim of an upset. In 35 playoff series his team was the favorite in around half of them or more and he was never upset, and you're gonna try to argue that's a bad thing? Literally every single other all time great was upset at least once, but it not ever happening to Jordan is supposed to be viewed negatively. That is so beyond stupid.
MJ was a choker because his boot was on the neck of every opponent he ever faced .
People nowadays cannot handle that. The NBA has become a safe space for snowflakes with a bag full of excuses.
Bird Swept him Twice. Larry 6-0 vs Jordan. But Micheal kicked ass in all those games. Not LeBronze
NBA has become what the WWE is. That's why leBalco is able to get away with nepotism; it's scripted.
Lebron James stats in his first finals vs SA: 22.5 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 35% FG!!! and 6 turnovers :D And it was not even his worst finals performance. How people even dare to compare MJ with him? That's not normal man!
Jordan *NEVER* lost to lower seeded teams in playoffs. Lebron OTOH 3-peat lost to LSTs from 09 to 11. Jordan 3-peats as a *champ* while Lebron 3-peats as a *choker.* This GOAT debate is totally noise.
you do realize athlete are better on average today right?
@@BastienBelanger Jordan 48 vert sub 4.4 forty
@@BastienBelangeryou do realize dude has had Wade and AD(just naming his top 2 teammates). AD, the dude that averaged 28 PPG in their chip run and was huge defensively. So you can make all the excuses you want but no matter how you slice it Bron hasn’t been as dominant against his competition
@@BastienBelanger On average athletes will also be better after 20 years. Does it mean that you need to automatically change goats after every couple of decades? :) I don't think so. It does not work that way...
They have to soften the league to get this kind of numbers and yet they still have a hard time catching up, let that sink in, 😂😂😂😂
I agree and we haven't seen a player have multiple scoring titles in a row since they softened it up ....
Damn, You are right. Fuck MJ WAS SCARY LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY
Fun Fact: Former Milwaukee Buck Terry Cummings is the only guy to ever outscore Michael Jordan in a playoff series, he outscored MJ by 0.2 points in their 1985 first-round matchup. MJ was a rookie, and this never happened again.
I saw that somewhere too. Thats so freaking crazy. I dont get how anybody cannot grasp that we whitnessed the Basketball Messiah on the court 😅
Terry was a great player💪
@mvpfocus not being cryptic about just being statically correct. Yes it was a single point, a 0.2 difference but still true.
@mvpfocus I used a .pct instead of a number. It's the same thing. It's called math. Decimals, percentages, averages, It's all math. Know one else made this comment. I'm getting commented on by not using ppg, instead of the actual comment that he was outscored once. I didn't have to look that stat up to make a comment on it. I already knew it. I can articulate dozens more stats about Jordan that most people in this chat never knew about and people would still attack the comment instead of acknowledging it.
@@MarkDarnellschool em dude 😂, the young bucks don’t know man
Was just going back and forth with a LeStan saying '95 was Jordan's '11. Even without context, losing to young Shaq and Penny, 31 ppg is a different universe than 18 ppg L behind Jason Terry.
Not to mention that Jordan was away from basketball for nearly 2 years.
These LeBron groupies are so pathetic & desperate. Even if Jordan _"choked"_ in 1995, it will NEVER be as horrible as LeBron in 2007, 2011, 2014, or 2018 (considering his teams were slapped all around the court in the last two series).
@@atlien1988 Yup, you mentioned 18 but really in 17 with healthy Irving, Love playing great, Durant napalmed LeBron for 35 PPG, no defensive effort both years but Mike defended guys in all Finals.
@@ImportAl Well... Bron is just mentally far weaker than MJ. Had he been as strong he would've been the GOAT by now in most people eyes.
If LeBron had MJ's killer instinct, he'd have 10 rings. If MJ had Lebron's body, he'd have 10 rings.
Lebron's 09-10-11 choke threepeat is often excused. If you have better record, great defense, shooters, prime MVP, you should WIN. Jordan ALWAYS won with better record.
If I didn't watch Jordan growing up I might not believe these stat lines lol. Ludicrous
I grew up in this era saw him do it, and still have a hard time believing it
Another great video that once again PROOVES that MJ will forever stand alone.
the thing about that ‘92 series against the heat; rex chapman had a good game against mike in the regular season and was talkin trash to him on the court. mike turned around did 43ppg on 60% in the first round on him 😂😂😂 GOAT
The best quote I ever heard about Jordan is that his career is so amazing that we wouldn’t even believe it really happened if not for the fact that it was all recorded on video.
Are you LeBron fans paying attention 🙏🙏
They don't know how to pay attention
@@alfasiger4178 they better
@alfasiger4178 I was gonna say the same thing. If critical reasoning and comprehension were skills they had, then they wouldn't be lebron stans.
Bird in his book Said jordan had no teammates early in his career. He had no option than to score to maintain the team
45 points on 60% shooting is sick, Jordan is not human. As you said, there is a massive difference between just being beaten that happens in sports, Muhammad Ali, Tom Brady and MJ all lost but all showed up and did their part. Kobe, LeBron, Shaq all choked and didn't uphold their end of the deal. And with LeBron I consider Miami a choke cuz 2 out of 4 with 3 of the top 10 players in the league on 1 team is just pathetic man lol
I wouldn't say Kobe was a choker, LeBron used to choke for years until he finally stepped up and that was at the tail end of the numerical prime (since he had probably the longest prime of anyone to exist, tail end of the numerical prime meaning around about 31-32), and Shaq was just terrible at free throws and getting hack-a-shaq'd at every turn of every meaningful game (despite spending every off season as a holiday instead of working on free throws), but Kobe is and was the closest representation of Jordan's greatness, and Kobe basically modeled his game after Jordan. So that tells you A LOT about MJ as the ultimate competitor, even Kobe couldn't surpass Prime Jordan competitiveness.
yeah his shooting percentages always shock me to this day
@@TheRealMindCrime Michael was the leading scorer in 165 of 179 playoff games .
He also led both teams in scoring in 36 of 37 playoff series.
The original video’s commentator should’ve done his homework and known that the ‘95 Magic series was the result of playing baseball for nearly two years. Prime or not, that impacts your game time shot, handle, defense, etc. That shows how incredible his ability was that he could still perform at what would be considered All Star level for any other player.
Notice how Bird and Magic still contributed otherwise when they werent playing up to their normal dominance. This is why Lebron is not a top 10 player. He never played to contribute. He only played to be praised and his teams achievements Lebron absorbed as him winning. While his failures and his teams failures are only attributed to them according to the script written for the "Choking One".
Just my opinion but the Best Bulls Team was either ‘92 (BJ says “something unlocked” - MJ “figured out basketball”, lol) or ‘96 (72-10). However, “Prime Jordan” was in 1988 which was a non-championship season.
- Lead scorer
- Steals Leader
- Defensive Player of the Year
- All-Defensive First Team
- MVP
You want proof that Michael Jordan has never choked? He’s never been on any All-NBA Second/ Third Team. He doesn’t have any Silver or Bronze medals.
Jordan's peak, at least based on RS stats, was from 87/88 to 90/91... In fact I think his three best individual seasons are 87/88, 90/91 and 95/96 in no particular order.
@@TongueOut23Yeah, I think 87-88 was his best year.
@@IkeThe9th yep. Only participation trophies. Come on, everytime you don't reach the finals, that is participation
@@mavsfanforever7919 So leading in scoring and steals is a participation award, and not a statistical award? And by your logic two of LeBron's regular season MVP's are participation trophies because he didn't make the Finals. same for several of his All-NBA selections.
@@TKDBoy1889 touche. MJ and LeBron fans should wake up to their reality that they are not supporting the True GOAT
How can any LeBalco fan still think he could touch Jordan's legacy. I mean come on no amount of playing longevity could surpass Jordan. Try as he might James' stat padding will never get him to surpass the "other 23". Once LeChoke finally retires and the stats are tallied and compared, the truth will emerge on who is the GOAT and it won't even be close..
Would the leader of sports vote a mere basketball player over Babe Ruth, Muhammad Ali, and Jim Brown, if said basketball player ever choked??? You can easily argue that the leader of sports did in-fact vote Michael Phelps, Serena Williams, and Lionel Messi over a mere basketball player because said basketball player has indeed choked, and choked on more than one (1) occasion. ESPN just voted the TOP-4 of the Top-100 athletes of the 21st-Century: 1) Michael Phelps, 2) Serena Williams, 3) Lionel Messi, and 4) LeBron James. But when ESPN voted the TOP-4 of the Top-100 athletes of the 20th-Century, they voted: 1) Michael Jordan, 2) Babe Ruth, 3) Muhammad Ali, and 4) Jim Brown. So even the very same ESPN, who is struggling to hold LeBron James in Michael Jordan’s GOAT conversation, voted Michael Phelps to be the GOAT of the 21st-Century and Michael Jordan to be the GOAT of the 20th-Century. Many consider Michael Jordan to be the historical GOAT of American Sports in-general….so it’s impossible for LeBron James to be the Goat of basketball because ESPN has Michael Jordan and Michael Phelps in an all-Century GOAT debate and LeBron James is nowhere close….Babe Ruth, Serena Williams, Muhammad Ali, and Lionel Messi were voted closer to Michael Jordan than LeBron James was voted to Michael Jeffrey Jordan, and this was LeSPN who voted this truth.
Michael Jordan is widely regarded across the entire sporting world as the greatest athlete of all time. Kids need to google that and watch their LeBron stanning worlds come crumbling down...
My boss is Argentinian and played futbol at one of the lower professional levels for a short stint. He was happy seeing his birth country win the World Cup recently, but disagreed with opinions that Messi became the greatest athlete ever after that win. My boss still regards Michael Jordan as the greatest individual athlete of any sport ever.
Choke: [verb] A player or athlete whose performance suddenly deteriorates at a critical point in performance or competition.
This definition is the antithesis [that’s means opposite kids] of how Michael Jordan played in the regular season, playoffs, or finals. If anything, Michael Jordan excelled under pressure - in fact, win or lose, his per game averages INCREASED during the playoffs and finals. So, the term “choke” never applied to this alien.
i'll use a football analogy. we can confidently say Lamar Jackson has largely choaked in the playoffs. Meanwhile Josh Allen has balled out in the playoffs at a higher level then he plays in the regular season. they both have failed to win a superbowl, but there is a big difference between why. The ravens have failed because LJ has dumped a load on the turf. Meanwhile the Bills have failed because the Bills (collectively) have dumped a load on the field, JA has balled out in the playoffs.
@@IkeThe9th this is the definition of choke now. It will change eventually. Just like how gay used to mean happy, and now it is LGBT
Choke = LeFraud also known as LeChoke
@@arizona_anime_fan that's the same logic that LeBron fans use to take the blame off of him after a loss. The offense starts with the quarterback in football. So if the bills dropped a deuce on the field, then Josh Allen played his part in those "deuce droppings"
@@llc8508 see it's comments like this that let me know you have never bothered to look at JA's playoff stats. the dude has one of the best career playoff numbers in history. whatever you think about him in the regular season the dude balls in the playoffs. i mean we're talking patrick mahomes level show in the playoffs. he's been let down again and again by his team.
People will often say "I never saw MJ play, therefore I cannot say he's the goat"
I say "You never saw MJ play, therefore you cannot say he ISN'T the goat!"
Honestly, MJ is the goat and there is never going to be a debate against this in my eyes, I don't like the guy, I was always a Kobe Bryant fan, and even I can't dispute the facts, MJ is the bball GOD, even Jesus Shuttlesworth can't dispute that, name and all.
lol, that's the dumbest argument ever. I haven't seen lots of stuff yet know they exist
With those LBJ super fans? Just use their logic against them and see them fold or lose themselves, and then use whatever they defend their argument with back again and they will just came up with the line " you are just a LBJ hater " as a result, very similar in how a feminist argues.
3:14: MJ's playoff berth turned championship percentage is higher than Steve Kerr's record holding career three point percentage (.462 vs. .454).
Also 5 game series back then made it easier for teams to luckily get by Michael dominating them, only needing 3 wins instead of 4
I'd love to see a graph of LeFraud's playoff career lol 😂. There is no comparison between LeMedia and the GOAT
19:09 that single action shows how much more difficult that era was, MJ moving outside and not waiting for the paint to be empty, but just a little gap to move for the dunk with 3 guys trying to defend on him!
That was explosive!
Jordan is completely different from everyone else because he don’t stop playing defense and offense,,,,Lefakegoat is copy cat
And using number 23 lol
And when they try to cry “ well, if he had to play against hand checking, that means he got to hand check on defense too!”, and that’s why it was that much harder back then, no resting on defense, while offense was more work too.
They were playing in the triangle in (85') before phil was hired in 87' as an assistant but the difference was when Scottie and Grant became confident and strong enough ,Phil had the head coaching job by that time. Everyone talks about they won because of phil and the triangle but they won because Pip and Grant were better and phil was the recipient of Doug Collins' hard work because they were making the playoffs when Collins was the head coach but they just couldn't get by the Pistons because Scottie and Grant wasn't ready ,yet. PS It took 3 years for Scottie and Horace to be ready to beat the Pistons and go on to help Jordan to win a 3-peat.
Another fun thing to think about MJ and the playoffs is that when he was with the Bulls... he never missed them. Not even once. His rookie season all the way up to that shot over Russell.
I can't think of one sports player in history dominate an all time great team and win. Jordan came the closest. And it was his 2nd year in the league! "That wasn't Michael Jordan out there. That was God disguised as Michael Jordan." -Larry Bird.
Jordan Lost 7 playoff series.
His lowest ppg
27.4 (49.1 percent) vs Pistons
29.3 (43.6 percent) vs Bucks
29.7 (46.0 percent vs Pistons
Lebron lowest ppg in Playoff defeat
17.8 (47.8 percent) Dallas
22.2 (35.6 percent) Spurs
26.7 (35.5 percent) Boston
Jordan worst FG Percentage in defeat
41.7 percent (35.7 ppg) on a bulls team that was blown up.
43.6 percent (29.3 ppg) vs bucks as rookie
46 percent (29.7 ppg) vs Pistons
Lebron shot under 40 percent 3 times in defeat.
Some playoff numbers.
Lebron played 282 playoff games
Jordon played 179 playoff games.
games under 40 percent shooting
Lebron 49
Jordan 28
Greater then 5 TOV
Lebron 52
Jordan 18
Greater then 10 assists
Lebron 38
Jordan 20
Less then 20 points
Lebron 30
Jordan 6
Less then 15 points
Lebron 7
Jordan 0
Less then 16 point
Lebron 15
Jordan 1
At the end of the day Jordan's worst playoff points
15, 17, 18, 18, 19
Lebron
7, 8, 10, 10.
TOV
Jordan 8, 8
Lebron 10, 10, 13 greater then 7.
Lowest Game Score
Jordan 2.6, 6.8, 7.7
Lebron -0.7 , -0.1 8 lower then 7.7
Highest Game Score
Jordan 49.8, 47.2, 42.5
Lebron 44.7, 43.8, 42.8
@@JC-Utopic-Gauntlet "bUt tHe lOnGeViTy !!!" 😂 Balco bricking and turning it over, with better teammates, and more losing is what these stats show me.
Just wanted to add that FG requirements for shooting guard and forward are different. Koby had just 2 play off seasons when his FG was higher than 46%. And his total playoffs FG% is 44%....
@@davidjavakhadze1542 lebron was also under 50 percent shooter for career through 2016 when the NBA started spacing like nothing Jordan ever experienced who played through injury and swapped two prime years for age 39 and 40 half of which he played on a surgically repaired knee. Lebron against hand checking has the career numbers of injured Jordan. Has never beaten an in prime HOF big in a playoff series. Has a higher FG percentage at age 38 then 2011. Was never part of a dynasty. Finally Jordan took
21.2 two point attempts per game
8.2 FTA
Lebron
15 two point attempts per game
7.6 FTA.
Kobe
15.3 two point attempts per game
7.2 FTA.
@@JC-Utopic-Gauntletyou mention handchecking like that rule wasn’t removed after brons rookie year. You guys love to provide the best context for your almighty God and for no other players who get compared to him
@@ny__josh6thats not helping yoir argument
Michael took it like a man, and it IS true, Michael never choked.
1995, MJ was still the best player on the floor, on both teams.
2011, Lebron was the 5th best player on the floor, on both teams.
Those are not remotely comparable. Yet another Lenarrative exposed.
Btw, they always forget LeChoke choked in 07,09,10,11,17 and 18. Dude quit on his teams a ton as well. They are not in the same universe.
I liked LeBron when he first came in. I was excited there was a chance of another great player. I am a Celtics fan from Boston, and watched him quit on the Cavs against them in the late 2000’s multiple times. And then the decision to go to Miami changed my entire opinion on him for good
I will be laughing my butt off if MJ choke. All the lost he fought till the end. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
At least MJ didn’t leave the bulls after six years of losing stay till at the end of the two three peat🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ the early year the bull were crap team but MJ hold on to it.
As always Bro you have a great day ahead. Hope to see after dark later man ☕️
speakin facts here!
In 95 east final against orlando when they were beaten . Jordan was tripped by arderson in thier last game ..
No it wasn't, that was in Orlando their last game was in Chicago. Had it been their last game they may have had a chance the next year
If you ask MJ if he's ever had a bad series, he'll tell you every series he lost was bad. He didn't care about the stats. All he wanted to do was win!
absolutely
A choke is when for a season and playoffs you have averaged in the high 20s in points and around 3 turnovers and then in the series you lose you average 17 with an abysmal low of 7 points and your turnovers end up at 4.
5+ maybe but 4?? it's just 1 average higher. In the playoff most player have higher turn over. but if you almost doubled your turn over it could definitely be considered a choke.
@@shade0180 yeah, the turnovers in general weren’t bad but in that series he had an uptick and they happened most
Y in the 4th qtr which is where the choke is. But his scoring dropped of a cliff and his 4th qtr scoring was one of the worst by a star player ever. He averaged around 2 points.
Not really either. Not performing well is not choking. There's more to it. Were you making bad decisions? Were you acting out of character??
You know that Anthony Edwards said that MJ was the only player with any skill when he played so that's why (according to Anthony Edwards) why MU was so good, and then he added that the fact he was the only player with any skill back in the 1990s is why everybody was so wowed by Kobe and Kobe's skills, 🤣😂🤣 Then in his same statement he added that in today's NBA **EVERYBODY** is skilled 😂 Anthony Edwards trying to bring down MJ and his game, his accomplishments saying MJ had no competition...You know....Not like today's NBA where according to Anthony Edwards, everybody in the league is highly skilled. 😂
I read that today....... its so dumb. Throw Vincanity on the list of guys with "no skill" according to Ant. Dumb
@@TheRealMindCrime Yeah, imagine Anthony Edwards trying to dunk with Mutombo under the hoop, Mourning, David Robinson, and so many other all time great shot blocking big men under the hoop, which MJ had to deal with, he doesn't seem like he could handle it, not like MJ did, for sure. 😁
"That wasn't Michael Jordan; it was God disguised as Michael Jordan." Bird quote
MJ NEVER LOST‼️ Better teams simply had to BEAT HIM because he was as never gonna let them off the hook with a poor/unmotivated performance like all the other greats you mentioned in the beginning. I never seen any of his teams lose and felt like he was to blame for it at all
@@BigUNO-h6w except when he didn't reach the finals 🤣
A lot of what doesn’t get talked about also I don’t remember Jordan really screening so he could get a weak defender on him unlike players of today the better you are the more Jordan wanted to go at you both offensively and defensively
100%
Hahahaha! Just because Balco ia a known Choker doesn't meen other NBA greats should have that as well. 95 Mike? He played what 1/6 of the season? I think Balco played almost all season in 11, 07, 14, 15. 18. Pe leeease! These Balco Boys are really DAF.
The one comparison that's missing is the comparison to their regular season numbers and the numbers compared to other series in the same playoff run. Eg, if the player avg 30ppg in the regular season, and maybe 31/32 ppg in 1st/2nd round then does 19ppg in a series loss... that would look more like a choke because the drop off in production has a bit more context.
I wouldn't say there were many notable occasions of MJ choking (e.g. losing when he was supposed to win), but there were moments of him subject to being overwhelmed by superior teams (happens to everybody at some point), especially early and late in his career. He encountered his share of setbacks and frustrations too before and after the 1990s.
jordan is not a one man show. without dennis rodman joining the bulls jordan would have ALOT less rings. the fact that the only guy in the league (rodman) that knew how to guard jordan was also playing for the bulls was a big help to Jordan getting the second 3peat
All I gotta say is that Jordan never moved to another team, just to join another MVP, just to win easy Championship.
Never did. HE was the mvp others joined lol
Lebron is not on this man's Level!
If you can take out 95 Jordan due to health you can take out Larry Bird for 88. And keep in mind he was injured his entire career. Busted fingers bad back from the beginning.
Maybe he did in the playground one day lolz
I'm going to borrow your AI-bulls analogy vs MJ-Celtics as a point, people in comments always come at me saying MJ is 0-9 agains't Bird and was not the best player. btw AI is my favorite player.
A lot of people consider shooting bad from the field as choking. Which is goofy because sometimes you’re gonna be off but not because you’re choking.
Jordan never choked he always showed up
Yup! Win or lose he went out swinging
I believe Bird had a bad back in the 88 series and missed most of that season as well.
Off topic but to Kobe’s defense. That was a stout defensive pistons team. It’s not like getting stopped by jj barrea and the jet. Also, not having Malone for that series is what lost us the championship. Yeah, Kobe did try to shoot out of a slump so maybe I have to rewatch that series to see if I agree. Love the content 🙌🏾
And the LeBron fans would say it all boils down to the quality of his competition especially back in the 90's. Was that even the case?
Bird said " Thats not Micheal Jordan, That's God disguised as Micheal Jordan."
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“No” 😝 lol !!!
😆 🤣 😂
But for Milwaukee... EVERY TEAM MIKE LOST TO WENT TO THE NBA FINALS. 😂
The closer you examine Michael Jordan's statistics and accomplishments, the further it places him ahead of any other player in NBA History.
Using that Game Score metric, Jordan was only outplayed two times in a playoff series, both times by just 0.4 game score points. One of those instances
included his teammate Pippen who had an otherworldly series, which he needed to have in order to outplay Jordan who averaged 30ppg on 61% true
shooting that series.
LeBron has been outplayed 21 times. TWENTY ONE TIMES. This includes being outplayed by multiple players in the same series _multiple times_ and being outplayed by teammates in
the same series multiple times. He was once outplayed by nearly 10 game score points, which is absolutely huge for anyone who knows how that metric is
calculated.
Choking can only happen when you don't show up and lose to an inferior team while having other current all stars on your team. Never happened to MJ. So screw that narrative. He was always the best player on the floor and MJ didn't get upset and leave to form a super team.
exactly. He went out playing hard to the max. win or lose
Can't believe we have to sit here and have a conversation about who the greatest player of all time is. His "worst" performances would be anyone else's career highlight. MJ is cut from a piece of cloth, maybe the Shourd of Turin(😂), that we'll never see again.
There is difference between choking and just losing. I think one of the worse series Jordan had was against Indiana 98 where he still played ok but not as great as he usually did. Choking is meant when you don't show up or quit. Lebron against golden state with kd or Dallas. Everyone loses more than winning except bill Russell. I hate this changing meaning of things the pro lebron do. Jordan choked because he lost or Jordan quitted twice instead of saying he retired for example
What people need to understand about many LeBalco followers is that they only care about a narrative, NOT facts and stats.
This reminds me of politics.
it is exactly like politics....sports used to be an escape from this kind of crap
MJ shot well in his rookie season. He averaged 28ppg on 52% shooting. The only season he shot under 50% in the 80s was in the 85-86 season when he broke his foot.
I didn’t finish the video yet, but My opinion, i think MJs worst playoff series was in the 1997 ECF vs the Miami Heat. MJ averaged 30ppg on 39% shooting.
@TheRealMindCrime please, please, please try to find a way to do an MJ vs LeBron game score comparison!! Lebron has plenty of playoff/finals fail ammo and I think that would put the nail in the coffin on the GOAT debate. I already know that MJ is superior but it would be nice for his fanboys to see... Yet more proof. Love the channel and keep the vids coming!!
Another thing, jordan second leading scorer Orlando woolridge in 1986 playoffs against celtics. I think they could have won a game if he wasn't injured
MJ was clutch no doubt, the 🐐. Championships, and especially dynasties are proof of an owner and organization going “all in” on winning no matter the cost. I hate the yankees but it is easier to win Professionally when cost is not an option. These same bulls dynasty did not end because it “organically” degenerated, but it was a decision by the organization; the same one that started it.
Jodan,pippen, brown, horace,harper, kukoc, even if they wanted to be there does not mean they would be there. But they were complete teams 1-8,1-9 not just top heavy not just a deep team, a complete team.
*Man! Jordan totally choked versus the Magic in the 1995 Playoffs* Got RIPPED clean by Nick Anderson. After he switched back to No. 23 too. But that doesn't change the rest of his career. The best. BY FAR.
Hell no, in Stone Cold voice
lol
2004 Lakers, Karl Malone got injured hamstring and missed final 2 games. He was averaging 26 ppg and 10 boards....
He had some bad game with blazers had Paxton had to pickup POG scoring 18-20 points in 4th to save the game
If MJ at his peak is a 100 and the next best player is a 75, MJ is getting knocked when he only plays at 80. Some it's also his fault he was on a team of 20s in his early career going up against the best teams in the league. It's unbelievable what the LeStans will try to come up with.
Chicago was Beatable. But never Because of Micheal. Even Young MJ held his own. Bron threw up in 11
Absolutely
In most cases, when MJ had slightly lower stats in a playoff series, he was still the best player on both teams. The statistics were lower only compared to himself.
Those low GameScore were likely due to high TOV
Bro the Magic were a fucking great team. They had Shaq, penny friggin hardaway, nick anderson, 3D, horace grant
Yup ☝️
Lets be honest, Kawhi's bad reputation is one-hundred percent undeserved. Anytime he steps on the court when he is healthy he is the best 2way player on the floor hands down. Steven A gave his take on Kawhi 🙄, funny how Steven A wanted to be a hooper but he had a career ending injury and decided journalism was his meal ticket. But then he goes on to say he understands when players are injured and then goes into saying Kawhi never plays...well yes he never plays when he is injured!!! So why is Steven A complaining? Why are so many others? Popovich slandered his name the last year he was with the Spurs; team docs cleared Kawhi, he still felt his body wasnt feeling like it should and he went out of state for second opinion. This is when Pop starts becoming unprofessional and saying ask Kawhis camp or ask his uncle when reports ask his status...blatent disrespect. See this is the problem with yall Kawhi haters...when someone you personally know or care about has a doctor who isnt listening or fulfilling patients needs yall would be the same ones saying get a second opinion if your not satisfied and feel your concerns arent being addressed. But here yall go with the hypocracy and want to call people out with no evidence of them having ill intentions or motives that are unpure. One thing as a man or decent human being never question another persons medical issues until they divulge different or evidence has been shown that theyre not injured. Kawhi always plays his hardest when he is on the court! Say im wrong and tell me a game? He always gives maximum effort and energy not only on offense but on defense too. I hope those who speak on Kawhi never have to know how it feels to be trying to take care of your own medical issues but have more people who dont know or care about you speak bad about you because your taking care of your medical ailments. A little empathy goes along way...not excuses but empathy. Lebron used it as a scapeg.o.a.t. "at the end of the day its just basketball" but im using it to remind people that its just a game! I dont want any players playing injured just so I can see them play...that may cause them to suffer a life changing injury. Somethings are more important then your need to be entertained.
Kawhi was healthy enough to play as everyone on the spurs sees him practice for hours everyday but he didn't want to because it wasn't a championship team and he just wanted to go back to LA. But the next year he plays for the raptors with the same injury because he has a championship team to show how great he is so can sign as a unrestricted free agent with the lakers or clippers.
According to GOOFY @$$ LeBron FANBOYS, every time Jordan didn't win the championship, he CHOKED lol
bros bad games consisted of 30 points a night😭
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That watching Magic dribble out the clock for 8 seconds still makes me cringe....
Go search on TH-cam the Full Game 1 of the 1995 series against the Orlando Magic. The total time of the video should be 1:52:24 in length. It’s not hard to find. Start at 5:25 into the video and watch for just one minute. You’ll see why MJ’s dribbling wasn’t there.
Out of the top 100 games scores M.J. holds 20 spots and he holds the #1 #2 and #3 spots David Robinson is 4th and then Lebron then a few more M.Js lol but 20 outta 100 is insane
It really is insane. The longer i do this channel the more i realize there is an ocean of distance between MJ and everyone else
@@TheRealMindCrime Yeah it's insane right? Now think about what he did & the time he did it in. Then think about the fact he's drafted 3rd after Olajuwon & Drexler but then wins a gold medal before ever stepping on a NBA court and led the Olympic team in scoring with 17.1 pts. per game. Which during that very game this is the first time we actually hear the term G.O.A.T. The announcer said "We are watching a player who's gonna become the Greatest Player Of All Time" I bet Houston and Portland felt like fools after the Olympics for not drafting him lol.
I really don't think that alot of people realize just how great of a ball player he really was tbh. Now think about everything you know about him playing ball and what he accomplished in 11 full seasons. I say 11 full seasons cuh he broke his foot missing 64 games and his returning from retirement missing 65 games that season. So his percentage of ships to seasons is 6 out of 11 making it 54.55% lol But 6 out of 13 is 46.15%. After knowing what you know think about the fact that he wasn't STAT CHASING & imagine what he would've accomplished stat wise if he was a STAT CHASER.
What i find hilarious is that there is a narrative that the longer you play without accomplishing anything significant makes you a great or even (dare I say) the greatest player of all time? lmmfao. Here's a great question: If you were gonna get drafted and they told you: Hey listen for you career your gonna play for 25 yrs your gonna win 4 ships with 3 different teams and your gonna break the all time scoring record since you'll be playing for 25 yrs. You won't be the best scorer but 1 yr your career. You won't have to play defense at all. You won't be the best at any category in the game but we are going to have the media keep telling everyone your a king and your the best player ever but you won't ever have to prove it at all.
Now your 2nd option is you can play for 13 seasons win an Olympic gold medal before starting your NBA career lead the best NBA players in the world in scoring that game. Then you will go to the playoffs every year of your entire career and you win a 6 straight championships while winning the MVP & FINALS MVP. You will also break multiple NBA records and most of those records will never be beaten. The fans will crown you the GOAT but you will never agree with that statement and you will be the standard of greatness.
Which career do you think people will chose if they had a choice?
Bron best playoff series was 2009 he was 35ppg, 9reb, 7ast 😅
He never lost to a lower seed
yessir!
Bird said that was God disguised as MJ
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come on now, NEVER in my MIND nor in MJ MENTALITY that he choke nor scared to take any CHALLENGES... it is so lame excuse nor arguments to throw at him.. as he mentioned in MJ commercial many times he was entrusted to take the last shot and failed, so in that statement alone we must know that MJ never doubt on his ability...
Agreed!
He’s showing “the shot” to beat the Cavs from ‘89, that’s not ‘88.
Get him to the finals and it’s 100% that he wins.
In 95, his body would be hitting the mid season wall for a season... he was gassed in 4th quarters. Had he played 10 more regular season that year he would have made it past the wall and been an even better player than he was in those Orlando games. The. BULLS should have swept this Orlando Magic team too....
Don't dismiss the possibility of Kobe tanking the 2004 finals on purpose to get rid of shag. It would be a Kobe move to do that even at the cost of a championship to build his own legacy...
When Jordan played against that 86 Celtics championship team and had that 63 point game he was so much better than everybody (including Bird) that frankly it was laughable. It looked like an adult playing against a bunch of kids. Even when he clearly had no talent around him you could see what was coming. He NEVER had a bad playoff series...not one. Lebron was outscored by Jason fucking Terry in the NBA finals. JASON TERRY!! LMAO He was horrible against Dallas and SA and is 4-6 in the finals.
Yup lol.
Yeah I don’t know how you can do all that and not know Kareem was retired and not out injured for the series 🤷♂️
Have you watched any tooforwon?
Yes i have. Good stuff!
Someone's fans and themselves are not gonna like this video, and it's breakdown. Wonder who that could be? 🤔
He never beat Lebron once though 🤣
lol!!
Bro look at his stats in playoff losses...that just crazy in it self. Full stat lines. No tragic jordan moments for MJ.
I like how he had to just throw in the same narrative that gets thrown around for years by Bron fans, even Jordan fans being taught this line of thinking. Jordan beat the Lakers without Kareem. Uh Kareem was 43 and two years retired/Bron beat the bad boys 2.0 at such a young age! Uh, they didn't have Larry Brown and Ben Wallace anymore and years removed from their title run. Jordan didn't beat the Pistons until they were old!/LeBron had to face the Celtics big 3! LeBron beat the Celtics big 3. Uh Pistons were younger than any of those C's big 3 teams.
But as far a the Kareem thing, it's like they dont want to credit that Magic led them to the Finals or they want to act like Kareem just wasn't available for the Finals so Jordan had it easy. This is runner up MVP Magic Johnson one year removed from b2b MVP and 3 in the past 4 seasons. "Magic was past his prime!"
One of the funniest and dumbest arguments I've seen LeBron fans use is how they'll say Jordan never lost when he had the better team, meaning he was never the victim of an upset. In 35 playoff series his team was the favorite in around half of them or more and he was never upset, and you're gonna try to argue that's a bad thing? Literally every single other all time great was upset at least once, but it not ever happening to Jordan is supposed to be viewed negatively. That is so beyond stupid.
"God disguised as Michael Jordan" ;)
For Lebron fans of course none of the actual numbers will matter, they will still believe what they want to believe.
Jordan lost to the teams that made it to the finals or won the chip 🐐
You could be a singer… or a musician… haha
Lol