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TWIN CAM 103 SUMPING! - ENGINE TEAR DOWN Marathon - Kevin Baxter - Pro Twin Performance
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- This 103 HAD SUMPING GOING ON..... See the complete tear down and analysis of this 2013 Harley Twin Cam Engine.
Part 4 of a series where we tear down and inspect 8 different Twin Cam and M8 engines discuss their builds and compare components of each.
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Can't wait to hear about and see M8 Tear downs!
Wow!, I'm the Only public comment? That's new! Anyway, I've owned several Harleys over my lifetime, and I NEVER considered Sumping to be a potential problem with these engines! So much to learn here!, Thank you, Kevin!
I've just finished a 120R built from the flywheel up your content has been a big part of this build I now have a fun Softail with a Fatboy front end thank you sir cheers from Oz
Harley should be absolutely ashamed of themselves with those crankshafts running out like that. What a shame.
I'm so lucky, I measured my pinion runout to be within .001" on my '01. I put some gear drive cams in it.
@@clownpocket That's awesome.... and fairly rare. Congrats!
harley and the brass have no shame,its all about the almighty dollar
@Michael Thr33d true, but Harley owners should see Kevin when and if they want to. You shouldn't have to rip into a fairly new bike, then spend thousands more just to keep it running. I'm so glad I got rid of my Twin Cam when I did.
@@clownpocket They had higher quality steel and timken bearings in 01 , 03 was the last year.
Suggestion: each motor tear down should have specs like bike model, mileage, modifications, etc...
Agree , some of these engines have fuck all miles .
Just can’t wait for the M8s 🏍💨🏍💨
that's about the quickest engine disassembly i've ever seen!!
Thanks Kevin for another great video. Keep'em coming.
Thanks for sharing Kevin great work and learning a lot and Gods blessings for you brother and for your family and friends
Have you had any of the sumping issues with a skunkworks build?
I would love to just hang around your shop! What an education it would be! Thanks for sharing all of this with us! 👍
Youre welcome Rick.. Thanks for your support sir.
Thanks for the great videos!
Great video love the way you explain everything keep it up!!
Great Chanel Great content very informative can't wait to see what you find in the M8 teardown
Totally enjoy watching watching you work and I don't even own a big twin. Have a 2000 XLH 1200 Sportster. Look forward to the next one.
Excellent as always. One gem of knowledge you share that I appreciate is the differences in Twin Cam over the years. I have a 2005 TC88A. If you could do video sometime dedicated to differences and problems over that years that would be fantastic.
Great videos Kevin, thanks for posting all this cool stuff for all of us. As a retired tattoo artist and racer I really appreciate your attention to detail and professionalism.
Can’t wait to wear out my T/C 103 to have you work your magic on it.
Ride safe brother!
Man I love your videos. I keep thinking I hope my stage 2, 114 m8 doesn't get any of these issues but If they develop I know who to get in touch with. Look forward to the marathon!
Thanks for all your videos
This is probably the best video you have done explaining the sumping issue.
Thanks now I understand a little more.
I have a xb12 Buell lightning ⚡ long .
Can't see myself owning a Harley Davidson unless it is a Evo as close to stock standard as possible
You’re the best Kevin. Best of the Best!
I have a 125cc Korean Hyosung scooter but still watch your videos
Excellent video, very useful 👍
Pure master of the craft👏👏👏
Love all the content. Seems like sumping is common no matter the engine. I have a twin cam 88 dyna wide glide completely stock. Hope I don't have any sumling issues!
I have learned a lot from watching your videos. I was under the impression that sumping occurred due to not enough ventilation and faulty oil pump. What I learned was it could be more than that. You have companies selling “snake oil “. So awesome to see the truth.
thanks twin cams what we are into!
Was in the shop yesterday , everyone there was nice as you could get Kevin was on the phone taking care of business. Was taken on a tour of the shop and laid eyes on the engines from the latest teardown series from the videos. I will be letting them build my M8 soon. Thanks guys
thank you very much sir. we appreciate you and your support.
Thank you for great content
You are like a cardiologist for HD motors. Anyone with with that much talent should be compensated well. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Anyone with that much talent should be working for Harley Davidson to show them how to build a frigen motor !🤔😎
anouther cool video lesson,, thank you
When i change my oil. I always pull the oil return to my tank after cleaning my filter and refiling my tank. With plugs out crank till get clean oil. Takes about a half quart to turn to new oil.
Enjoyed this one, encouraging to see the condition of this motor. Gave me bit of peace as my motor is a well cared for stock 2011 103. Thanks Kevin.
Your motor still has the same deficient parts in it. Babied or not .
@@bradhardy2629 Like?
How many miles on this engine? I’m curious how long these engines are actually going before needing work?
They all do it, I’m convinced mine is as well. Lot of heat was coming off the rear jug going to Florida from west tn last month
The only cooling air the rear cylinder and head gets is hot air from the front cylinder and head.
I feel for you..I live in Florida..every Harley I've owned I had a Harley over sized oil cooler..it sure helps
They work.
Seeing all the issues in these tear down videos has me paranoid about my bike lol. It's a TC 103 and running fine with 27k on the clock, but I haven't opened it up for anything but cams and rocker lockers... now every little noise or vibration and I'm panicked, thanks Kevin lol
I recently changed my oil in my 2005 fatboy, I was only able to get 2.5 quarts out. I added 2 quarts and rode it for a bit them topped it off with the /5 quart and it now reads full. Sumping maybe?
No, I'd say that's the 2005 oil pump which was rubbish at scavenging.
Kevin, as a novice rider, how would you get some sign of sumpting? This seems to be a regular issue with most bikes. Can you tell me what the reason this engine was in your shop?
Hey Kevin love all your videos I have a couple questions I’m installing cams on my 2014 Breakout 103ci What’s the procedure on initial start up and run time ? Is it ok to use Redline synthetic oil at time of cam replacement with the assembly lube? And when should I change the oil and filter with assembly lube mixed in after cam replacement ? Keep up the great videos appreciate your knowledge and expertise. Thank you
Change bearing done ✅🤗
im pleased i saw this before a bought a Harley Davidson
Hi Keven,
How does high crank case pressure cause a sumping condition?
Will you please help us understand?
I thought the return oil pump should keep up with the return oil in the crank case.
I can see a sumping issue would happen your engine has an excess amount of oil going into the motor, like bad piston cooling nozzles or excess bearing clearance.
Thank you for the wonderful videos.
I have never seen the inside on these motors. Can you explain where the oil is picked by the pump. I always thought that the sump part on the pump put out twice as much oil as the pressure side. I guess if the motor is on the kick stand, the pump won't drain the sump at idle? Thanks Kevin for what you do for all of us who want to know the nitty gritty.
Iv subscribed thanks for the exselent Video no dumb music either 👍🏻
When Kevin says 'oh yes' it gives me the same feeling as when i'm in the dentist chair 😖😅
I really enjoy your videos. I am getting a 21 road glide with a 114. After
500 miles what oil would you recommend for the first change.
Great video your the boss of big twins hands down!!!!
Around how much will it cost to rebuild my 103 on my flstf 2013 ? And do you recommend the woods 222 cams for it ? Thank you and definitely keep making you awesome videos 🙏
How much oil should we expect to come out when we take the cam cover off. Excessive means sumping???
my 2000 88" was a sumper as well.
Kevin, when is the anticipated release for these new tappet measuring slugs? Looking forward to getting a set immediately on release.
Zi have a 1947 gl3 matchless that is a good sumping bike the oil pump leaks past it fills the sump up
On carbon build up, as I do more auto and one of things we do is use a fuel injector cleaner or a complete manifold cleaner to remove excessive carbon without tear down. Is this something an owner of HD use injector cleaner on regular basis?
Kevin, thank you for sharing your insights during these engine tear downs; I have a 2015 FLTRXS with 43,667 miles. I recently did the HD stage III 103ci to 110ci performance package with the SE585 cam, 4” cylinders, pistons, SE cam plate with SE oil pump, SE tappets. I believe my rear ACR is causing a leak because when I'm on long ride there is discoloration on the rear of my horn cover as well as the rear jug becoming extremely hot while riding. I may be seeking your services shortly; also, will it be possible to go up to a 117ci motor?
That was really interesting. And scary! Never had my hands that deep into an engine. What I wouldn't give to find a local motorcycle mech that would let me help him on these types of meaty projects just so I could experience it. No...I have no delusions about fixing my own bike! LOL
Hi any problem s you ever experienced with Harley Sportster 1200s????
Hello all, I have been watching all of Mr, Baxter’s videos in search of good information on these Harley twin cam engines. I recently bought a 2015 FLHTK with the HO 103 twin cooled engine in her, 16K original miles on it. Has a SE ventilator on it and V&H OS slip ons with the FP3 tuner. My only source of info till this point Is a buddy who rides HD?? First some oil coming out of the air cleaner so he says they all do it gotta do the breather bypass? Here it starts, I was riding down the highway and the water pump quits on me so I limped it home(2 mi)and replaced it with the updated M8 water pump but at the same time I’m spinning wrenches I installed a external breather bypass and swapped the fluids out for AMSOIL. Start it back up and sure enough it has no oil dripping from the air cleaner but has awful top end tick and extreme loss of power after she’s up to temp. Not sure where to start, ordered service parts and wiring manuals from the motor company and am now hoping some of you guys with more knowledge and experience could chime in and give a guy starting out a hand? Where should I start looking, she ran just fine before this. Also if this is not the place for these kinds of questions is there a better? I’ve read through all the forums. Please and thanks all.
You mentioned the Automatic Compression Release's . I'm running a SG Special 2016 - - Are they on all 103 TC's?
My 2007 Road king had a pinched O ring in the oil pump causing it to throw oil out the breathers on the heads and into the intake.
Sorry had to miss the premier celebrating the Wifes Bday
Have twin cams always had automatic compression releases? How do they work? Are they enabled during starting? Thanks.
Whats a build like that costs these days
Just call his shop for info on everything... Hello
Not real familiar with Harley's but, was wondering if there is a sight glass for the oil level on them? Could the sumping issue be from left over engine oil in the cases after draining the oil and, just adding the recommended amount of oil possibly making the oil level higher then what is recommended?
My first video so I’ll jump back a few. Learning already though.
Great content Kevin. I have a question concerning the black oil coming from the sump. I had found a kit to remove the old oil from the lines and pump after an oil change. It’s basically an oil filter housing minus the filter media. When you change the oil you put this dummy filter in place, disconnect the oil return line from the oil tank and run the bike till clean oil comes out then shut off the bike. The example I saw they had almost a whole quart of black oil. All that to ask would that be a sign of sumping? Being a dry sump engine I find it hard to believe you get a quart of dirty oil out of the lines and pump.
IMO, scavenging your oil system is a solid idea, at least every other oil change. On a engine that is not sumping you will scavenge around 10oz and one that is sumping will be more, depending on the severity of the sumping issue. An additional note is the oil that never gets drained, contributes to the overfill and blow by condition, that is a constant concern with Harley owners. The remaining oil needs to be added to the amount of oil your adding to equal the stated fill ratio of 4 quarts for your TC.
Excess carbon build-up on the pistons can be caused by the ECB routing into the carb breather. Are these engines still running the factory ECB?
One problem with having a newer bike under warranty. Unless you have the money set back. When you know theres a problem like sumping there's really nothing the dealerships or factory will do. It runs, keep on trucking till it breaks is the attitude.
Kevin were the inlet ports coated with oil?
What mikes did this one have so I know what to look out for at the mileage thanks from Australia
How would you empty a sumping issue? That would prolong a issue sumping kinda wouldn’t it ?
What about the sportster motors?
Is there any way to get that old oil aka slush out of an engine case without tearing down the said engine?
Great Question!!! Kevin is that possible? Is there a way to do a flush, like you would a car?
I wish I could afford to have you make my 103 a 117.
Third engine tear down Ive watched and theres a pattern emerging with those crankshafts. that you cant gloss over. seems to Me possible oil circulation or may be varying sump pressure s on those Engines.
Can you recommend a HD mechanic of your caliber (and honesty) located in the Fort Worth/Dallas area?
How do you rebuild 103 in.³ engine do you have a video on that?
How do I get you to build my bike up to a 117 and how much it cost??
call his shop for info on everything .... HELLO
Cause if he gets a ballpark answer then we all don't have to call , HELLO!
i have a question on carbon on piston crown removal in a running motor... now i know you can spray into the air cleaner a little water when engine is running and rev it a little when spraying a little water in the air intake to break-up the carbon on the crown of the piston in a car/truck engine... can i do the same thing to a motorcycle engine??? now remember this when doing this: that carbon has that has got loose and is blowing out the exhaust valve can maybe just maybe get stuck on the valve and or the valve seat and then you will have a large problem, the exhaust valve will not close 100% and that hot air exhaust will burn that valve quickly and that my friend is a costly mistake ... just say`n ... just remove the cylinders and pop out the pistons and do it the correct way i guess...
So what’s Harleys min max for crank run out from the factory?or is there no standard?
No minimum, but I thought he said they can go out to .012", which seems insanely eccentric.
I see that engine has a the bridge on it, an independent shop told me that it can cause spark issues, what do you think of that and have you heard of it?
Sod it. These videos make me paranoid:))).I'm starting save money for build like this. Just need find 'Yoda' in UK:))
Great videos,thnx
Why buy a new bike from Harley? Buy used one the has high miles for cheap, then get a motor from Kevin, and you are as bullet proof as you can be.
I could certainly appreciate a Baxter engine…but I like to turn my own wrenches…so…well this way is cheaper…but more time consuming…
Curious what was the mileage on this motor?
I would like for you to try a .0002 over size tapplet just to check and confirm.
I assume you mean .002? We don't have a .002. I have found that by the time the bore get's to the point it requires a .002, they typically have taper as well. Those require bore and sleeve to repair properly or the bore can be reamed .010 over and use a JIMS .010 lifter.
@@KevinBaxter sorry about the extra '0', brain was not fully engaged.
my 1990 FXRP 80inch with only 50K only had a very tiny bit of oil in the cam cover when i removed it the other day... lucky i guess...
Is this a certain year on the 103. Or pretty much all of them?
I have a question. Do your engine mods prevent the sumping issue and have you ever tore down one of your own engines to see if you have prevented the sumping? Thanks
After many inspections, we have not had a single customer with a sumping issue on any of our TC or M8 builds.
Seems to me it would be a hard to read on Pistons with the EPA rules dumping of the blow by being dumped in on top of the pistons.
I have a question why does Harley not copy the design of the S+S crank by pressing a solid pin in the center of the crankpin at 600 pounds pressure, that would most likely solve their run out problems?
Is 117 also a sweet spot for longevity on the M8's? I believe you mentioned in the first video of this series that Greg from NC was having his M8 (long distance) built as a 117.
117 up to 124 works well on M8. thicker case, etc.... it is a great format to build on.
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in the background i see a solvent cleaning tank open... that is illegal in California when not using it ... it must be closed... Haha...
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what does it smell like? Burnt??
Is there a way to de-carbonize the top end? And would you recommend it?
yes pull plugs before oil change and spray your favorite like seafoam and let sit overnight crank run for 5 minutes or so then change oil ,this also helps to maintain tune ,
@@gregduncan1001 Nice. Thanks for the info
Seafoam all the way
My ‘13 Ultra Classic has 60K miles on it; stock with no upgrades. Getting ready to upgrade to Feuling 525 Reaper cams and cam plate/oil pump/tappets kit. What is the max runout I can allow before the crank needs to be serviced, thus preventing the very issues you are revealing in these videos? Excellent videos, by the way. 👍
Makes me worry about my roadking 2020,114
How many miles
Tried to post on your don't tread on me post. It would not take the first one so I did it again, I hope it took, if not they are blocking it.
Is there supposed to be NO oil in the case when the cam chest is opened up? That’s counterintuitive to me
How much does something like this cost, KB?