The cocking noise was the reason I never bought a Feinwerkbau air rifle and always stuck to Weihrauch, that is a disgrace for a high price and alledged high quality German product. The turn around with cutting the spring, the sleeve, guide tube and piston head is a revelation. The lack of recoil and noise is amazing and goes to show how far a little fettling can transform a gun. 10/10.
In all fairness, I have heard from other folks who purchased the Sport that did not experience any cocking noise. They do seem to all have a pronounced spring twang. For some, that's a non-issue, but for me, it's not something that I can tolerate. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Nice tune up. They really can be do much more than stock issue. I tuned my hw99 and it's like butter. Especially deburred all surfaces and buttoned the piston. Polished trigger. Luscious
Wow totally nailed it! Great video! Especially for anyone who has never tuned a springer or someone who's done many (👍🤣) had a feinwerkbau back when I was 17, I'm 61 now and an experienced springer tuner of German guns, this makes me want to buy one just to tune it! Awesome 🎉
FWB hadn't even considered the UK 12ftlb market. The new 'Sport' with its 30mm bore and large stroke is just too big. The earlier 124/127 were perfectly proportioned which made them a firm favourite throughout Europe and the States. Having said that I do like the new 'Sport' open sights stock pattern and the new trigger is said to be a fine improvement. Subscribed.
Awesome! Great to have you aboard my friend. You make a good point about the Sport. It was aimed specifically at the US market. It's truly a wonderful rifle once the beast has been tamed somewhat. Thanks so much for your viewership.
Hi Kevin, This reminded of a time very much missed time when I would have spent time with my father and he would have been showing me how to do/make something. It wouldn't have been air rifles back then, I wasn't allowed. It would have been something else, fly tying maybe? My father was very much like you. He was very laid back. He'd do something properly or not at all and what he produced was genius. Utube and you, Kevin have given me the opportunity to live that again. That was a fantastic watch. My father left me a mk five or six BSA Meteor, which he had fettled and was good to go. Youve inspired me to have a go and try to erase the spring twang in that. While I'm there, I may have go and make my own stock for it, make it really mine. I'll see what time allows and what ideas I come up with. Many thanks, Kevin. Another great, enjoyable, interesting, inspiring educational video to watch. Best wishes. Ps. If I had made such an improvement to an air rifle as you have, I'd be extremely proud. Well done Kevin!
Hi Ian, it's really a pleasure to know that you're enjoying the videos. Thanks so much for sharing your story. I'm glad that Weihrauch got back to you. That's really terrific. Good luck with your project. After seeing some of your work, I'm certain that the finished product will be a head turner. Thanks as always, my friend.
I’ve learned so much from this vid thankyou. I managed to track down the history of my early 80’s HW80 with unusual cylinder seal ( O-ring seal instead of the usual cylinder seal). It was apparently a custom job for FAC rated rifles carried out by Venom. I made contact with an ex Venom employee who informed me he runs the same system in HW80 running at 30 ft lb with no issues at all. Regards (UK sub)
Wow! What a difference that made. I should probably try doing that to my Gamo Hunter 440. It is crazy noisy inside. Thanks for another great video. Roy Auburn, WA.
Hi I,m across the water in the UK and I tried everything to get a new Feinwerbau Sport to no avail and tonight whilst looking for a scope on Airgunforums I couldn't believe my eyes I shall collect it Saturday and put it next to my original FWB124 deluxe I,m contented tonight love your videos.
Hi Robert. I'm thrilled for you! You're about to receive a spectacular rifle. It may need a tune right off of the bat, but it'll be so worth the effort. So glad to hear that you're enjoying the channel. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
You've transformed it! It is now a nice, tuned rifle. In honesty this is how I would have expected to have shot out of the box considering its high price. Having said that every spring-piston air rifle I've ever bought gets the strip, polish and moly treatment and a tight fitting spring guide which removes the twang. I believe you did the right thing by lowering the power output as in the real world the difference in 15 ft lbs to 12 in .177 is hardly noticable and is better for accuracy. I'd sooner have a rifle that is accurate and lower powered than a powerhouse that can't hit anything. A nice firing cycle is where it's at. Many thanks.
Aussie Dave from Pennsylvania here,... I have ordered a $65 Chinese Underlever .22 to do EXACTLY this !... My own "tuning" to see how good I can make a $65 Chinese Underlever Air Rifle :)
Thanks so much! I'm glad that you're enjoying the channel. As far as long stroking a 300s is concerned, you oughta' reach out to Marc Myers. He's been active in this very comment section. He is a FWB guru. If it can be done, he'll know how to do it. Thanks for watching.
I really enjoy seeing your thinking process. I want to do some tuning to my 1983 hw77 and have no prior experience. I do build motorcycle suspensions as a profession and can relate to a lot of this. Also, I have my own ideas I’d like to try. Thanks for sharing!
@@marcmyers1465 thanks for the comment! Yea, I took apart some cheaper air guns and I know it is a mind trap or a rabbit hole. Sometimes what seems good isn’t. I’m kinda scared 😱
Just tearing into my 1982 FWB 124 Sport. Hoping it is a little better in fit and finish than the new one. It would have been nice to see you assembling the gun and how you avoid damaging the safety while compressing the main spring. I am just finishing building a spring compressor for mine. I used a solid scope mount with a 1" id and a piece of stainless 1" tubing (marine railing). Machined and fitted ss slugs for each end with a hole drilled and threaded 1/2" x 13 tpi machined a slotted (for adjustability to other rifles) plate that bolts to the end slug at the end of the plate is a welded nut, again 1/2 x 13tpi into which slips a section of ss all thread with a handle welded to the end (you could just weld a nut on). Using a piece of high density poly to form around the safety so an aluminum pushing plate pushes on it and the threaded rod pushes on a recess in the aluminum to keep it centered. I might add a captured thrust bearing if needed tomorrow. I am replacing my disintegrated original plastic plug and will upgrade with the ARW kit. I am thinking if there is as much slop in the spring guide as you found that I will machine a new one out of stainless and polish it. A thick plastic washer between its head and the spring will dampen any impact as the spring detonates. The gun still has very tight tolerances in the barrel fork and steel washers as well as the pivot bolt so I am hoping for the same quality in the rest of it. Tomorrow will tell the tale. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching Douglas. I employed a wooden block with a recess cut out to protect the safety. Check out my video on the installation of a tune kit for the 124. th-cam.com/video/jdhFC8Cyuek/w-d-xo.html Your spring vise sounds like a winner. Please check back and let me know how your 124 turns out. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Very impressive. I came to your channel for the HW30/Beeman R7 video and subscribed immediately. Excellent presentation and you pass on your extensive knowledge in an easy manner. Thank you👌
You sir are a gunsmith. I've watched your channel for a while and enjoy your air gun videos. I shoot springers frequently and enjoy them a lot. Let me know if there is scope creep.
Very good job. I do not understand that FWB is selling an air rifle that sounds Try to get ptfe sheet material and it will be still as perfect after years of use and probably even more quiet. 👍
Great video! I just picked one of these up from a friend that bought it a few years ago and just stuck it in his safe! Same as yours squeaky and harsh shot cycle! Ordered a seal from ARH and looking forward to making it sound like yours!
"Sounds like a sick duck." -HARD CUT. That was hilarious! Charlotte kept asking me what I was laughing at. When you were talking about the spring fitting into the shaft, the word in machining is called a 'slip fit', opposite of that would be a 'press fit' where you would have to press it in with force and you cannot remove it easily. The oil hardening was the right choice in this case for a spring. Nice job with the lathe too! Overall, this video was excellent! Levels better than your others. The editing, music, volume control, organization and presentation was spot on!! Very informative, simple and clear. I am really impressed. Such a good job. I like the recurring theme of 'ringing the bell'. And you got it in one take after all of the talking! Not once but three times!! Give us more bloopers!! Honestly can't believe how good this was!!! Super excited and proud of you!!
Hello from England, interesting channel, i've just subbed. That rifle sounded dryer than a lime burners clog, (old English saying), when you first got it. She sure sounds sweet now. Thank you.
I did the aluminum sleeve, didn't last , also Pop bottle plastic will fail rather quickly, and after that failed I did some more research, and to my surprise, it turns out regardless of how nice and smooth the plastic seems it actually creates more drag. I have since made a steel one from a smooth can,with no ribs. I haven't used peek but I suspect that would be even better. It's a lovely looking air rifle! They could rival any spring airgun if they just finished what they started. Thanks for the video!
I was wondering how long it would last. I kinda' expected that it would be short lived. Thanks for your input. I'll take your advice when it does fail. Thanks for watching!
@@razor1962 Yeah I watched both your videos & the gun sounded really horrible before you worked on it! I currently shoot a Weihrauch HW 99s (Same as your 50s I believe), Beautiful sweet shooter but it did have a bit of a twang when new. I just fitted a TBT spring guide & top hat (short guide for the front of the spring) Relubed with Moly paste. Didnt need a piston liner because of the front guide. Now its beautiful to shoot smooth & quiet. Ive shot Weihrauch guns since 1980 & loved them all.
@@TheFoxio A Weihrauch is hard to beat. I wanted to machine a top hat but my lathe skills weren't up to the task. The sleeve was my next best option. So glad that your enjoying the videos. Thanks for watching.
Your videos are great and very informative. I had recently purchased the same model FWB as in your video. Tried every tuning company about a kit. No one makes them, atleast the obvious known tuning companies. Wish I could send my FWB your way for a tune . Keep up the good work with your videos and content . Can’t wait to see your next one.
Thanks so much Bryan. Congratulations on your Sport. It's a fantastic rifle in the rough. I spoke with the folks at Vortek Products and they seemed to be willing to try to help with mine. Instead, I opted to try and do it myself. You may want to contact them. Thanks for watching!
Great video mate , very impressive, I did a similar thing with my 1987 diana 52 except the spring guide it no shoots around 17 fpe now can only shoot to 12 yards at the min 😢, you also have a very impressive work shop , thanks for the video
@@razor1962 it is a good looking rifle, I have no idea why the would let it leave the factory that way , I looked online their like $700 , and I actually like the trigger guard
Yeah, when I bought mine, the price was much moe more attractive. From what I've learned by listening to other Sport owners, is that not all of them were like mine was right out of the box. Most buyers were quite pleased with their new rifles.
nice workIi do this to all my air rifle`s it make hell of a diffrance nice lock time and cocking sound . you can understande why thay dont put the effort in to finnish them of it very time cosuming and time is money to a company .it`s right though imo , i think you have set the power just right .all the best from the UK
Good job, I've had 3 124's, 2 deluxe and a sport. The old models, sold them because they were under powered. Really considering buying this new model after seeing what great results you achieved and the price has come down considerably!
The Sport can be made to be an incredible rifle. If you're willing to put the time into it, it'll reward you with its accuracy and sweet firing cycle. They're no longer being produced from what I've been told. There was a guy selling one new in the box on the AGW classifieds. He was asking $525. That's about $70 off retail. I absolutely love my Sport. It's become one of my favorites. Thanks so much Dennis
You did a top job on that rifle, I've always done the same thing over the years on Weihrauch's, think you'll find the piston sleeve will last quite a good while, l always say why can't they make these guides and piston tolerance correct at the factory, but hey it's interesting to do and get a good satisfactory result
What a shame this work can't be done at the factory. Not everyone has the tools or time to make the gun as smooth as you have. I've invested lots of time getting my TX200 to be the best it can be for HFT competition. Working on them does improve your relationship with the gun though! 😎
Wow... what a transformation, that awful squeek and grinding brand new for 500 bucks....rusty bed springs is a good description. How can they let it go out of the factory like that and have the gaul to charge 500 odd bucks for it. Its a handsome rifle alright and with the tune it sounds great. And as always I love the bell. 🔔 can't wait for the next video. Your fast becoming my favourite air gun you tube channel. Keep up the good videos.
Thanks Graham! So glad to have you along for the ride. You're my first "fan" lol .. Seriously, I really appreciate your subscription and your comments.
Exellent simple tune you did there, i see the trigger looks as simple as the original sport, what piston seal did you use in it? I had a 124 old sport with the maccari mongoose kit in & it cocked like a knife through butter & shot really well. For that price it should have shot as well out of the box your new one though i might add. The old pop bottle piston lube sleeve trick is one i've used for about 30 years too.
The "new" sport responded exceptionally well to the tune. It's become one the favorites in my collection. It's a pleasure to shoot. I bought the piston seal from ARH (Macarri). I haven't been doing the plastic soda bottle trick for as long as you. Perhaps you can give me an idea of the lifespan of the plastic sleeve? No idea how many shots I can hope for before it's ruined. Thanks so much for subscribing and for taking the time to watch.
@@razor1962 It depends on how tight a fit the spring is in it really, I use a washer inside the sleeve for the spring to rotate on in the bottom of the piston & one on the guide too well greased with moly i've only had one chewed up so far , i grease my springs well too & the sleeve prevents any of the grease getting past the piston head to caused dieselling. when they do fail you'll know as you'll feel it catching when cocking the gun. Some tuners used ptfe sheet for the sleeve but i've found the pop bottles work fine for me . What's the trigger like on your new sport? I was always dissapointed in the old one, for that kind of price the new one should have a rekord quality unit in like the new walther lgu Imho..
Wow....great video. I havent looked at FWB in years. I shot a 300S as a Sub Jr in the 70s in Jr High. What a blast from my past. Now looking at a few of the vintage FWBs. I think the Sport model could get more use as my competition days are behind me. Question... was your new Sport just a outlier or do they all have these issues that need to be tuned out? You are a new sub for me.
Hello, and great to have you aboard, my friend. The Sport has been discontinued. However, there may be a few on shelves at certain retailers. It's a general consensus among most Sport owners that they are a little oversprung, resulting in a rather harsh firing cycle. However, the issues that I had are quite rare. Thanks so much for subscribing.
It sure is Jim. For me, it's takes a gun that I'll always pass over in favor of a smoother shooter and it makes it into a go to rifle...One that's enjoyable to shoot. Thanks so much for watching.
Thanks for the detailed view of your repairs. You've become my go-to guy for mods and repairs. So did you replace the sloppy piston seal? From Feinwerkbau that was alarming to me.
I had the original FWB Sport back in the 80s. It was by far the best air rifle I have ever owned and I deeply regret selling it, since finding another one these days is mission impossible.
It's not impossible. It's just expensive. I just finished a video covering installation of a tune kit in a FWB 124 that I bought second hand a couple of weeks ago. th-cam.com/video/jdhFC8Cyuek/w-d-xo.html Thanks so much for watching and please consider subscribing.
That's mad l didn't even know you could still buy them new that was a surprise and news to me . I have one of those original air rifles from the seventies it shoots like a tuned air rifle amazingly accurate and hardly any recoil and the trigger is better than the T06 and rekord trigger assemblies that sounds and cocks like a cheap Chinese air rifle l can't believe they made it , surely they are not all like that.!
Hi David, This is a completely different rifle than the original 124s and 127s. This one is the "Sport" and sadly, it didn't last too long in the airgun world. It was grossly overpriced at 1st, and the price slowly fell to become more in line with the competition. With somewhat lackluster sales, the rifle was discontinued. No, they are not all like mine was. Most of them were pretty quiet, albeit a little buzzy with a harsh recoil. They definitely respond well to a tune. Getting back to your 124, now that's a classic. You're correct about the smoothness. I've owned a few over the years. They are delightful guns. Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
Job well done sir. I have a brand new air arms pro sport that I feel is vibrating and buzzing way too much. What is it with quality control these days? Companies used to care I guess. Anyways, I’m pretty handy like you are but I lack a machinist lathe. I have a regular wood lathe but haven’t honestly used it that much. I have everything else you used though. I make knives as a hobby so cutting and heat treating a spring is cake. Anyways, I don’t wanna talk your ear off. You inspired me to want to tune my pro sport up. I want to smile for weeks too!
You don't need a machine shop to transform your rifle. Pick yourself up a Vortek kit. Once you do so however, you'll be thinking about doing it to all of your guns. Thanks so much Matty. vortekproducts.com/ourstore/PG3-TUNE_KITS
@@razor1962 I got that vortek kit installed yesterday. Just wow. What a difference. I also got the upgraded piston seal to go with it. Had zero trouble installing everything which I wasn’t expecting 😂. It’s a tad bit slower FPS than stock but I really don’t care at all. It shoots so much quieter now. Just a nice THWACK. No buzzing sound at all. Thanks so much for suggesting that to me!!
I'm so glad to hear that you're pleased with the results. Did you buy the 12ft lb or the "HO" kit? If you bought the HO kit, it'll probably break in the new piston seal and start pushing higher numbers. Thanks for letting me know.
awesome video thanks for sharing. the piston sleeve is to keep the spring from rattling in the piston? do you ever need to do something like that with your HW rifles?
Yes, the sleeve provides a barrier that stops the spring from vibrating directly against the piston wall. Keeps the tolerance snug to decrease vibration. All of my HW guns have Vortek kits in them. The kits include a steel sleeve which produces the same results.
verry nice vid kevin !!!! i have a other problem with myn hw !!! aubout a 50 schots i must the side screws end the trigger guard with a philips screw driver more put vast of a loos 1 bolt.and looing in so big treeg after a screw🙁
Hi Koenraad. Have you tried any thread locking compounds like blue Loctite? That may help to keep those screws from loosening. Thanks as always my friend.
Aussie Dave from PA again,... Watching you collapse that spring & I noticed a very comprehensive array of Saw Chain bits for .050 American Chainsaws, .058 for European Saws & some .063 for Stihl ;) Do you do repairs or are you into logging & felling ?
@@razor1962 My Dad has owned a large Outdoor Power Equipment store in Australia since 1978 & he is still going lol,... I did some Sales but ran the Parts for about 15 years, did some small service/repairs. He has scaled down now at 79 years old but for decades we were the largest single retailer in the Southern Hemisphere :) One year we retailed, one at a time, more Honda Mowers than the country of New Zealand ;) Top dealers for Honda, Stihl, Husqvarna, Homelite, McCulloch, Bolens & anything else we decided to sell,... If I had a dollar for every Chain I cut from a roll & joined with the rivet spinner then I could buy more Air Rifles lol.
@@davidyummus6259 That's quite a resume. We're a small, 5 man operation. My brother and I run the place. Been at it for 44 years. Nice to meet someone in the same profession. Thanks again for taking the time to watch.
@@razor1962 My younger brother who lives in the state of Tasmania Australia was a Briggs & Stratton Master Service Technician,... Best Mechanic I know !... Now he has fun modifying, restoring & driving his 67 Ford Fairlane 2 door which he shipped from South Carolina to Australia :)
That's a tough question. Out of the box, there's absolutely no comparison. The Weihrauch wins (from my own personal experience), hands down. Now that I have tuned Weihrauch guns and the FWB Sport, the Sport is a superior rifle. Better sights, better machining, more attention to detail, personally, I really like the FWB stock too. Performance wise, I think the Sport wins there too. It's built with the quality that you'd expect from Feinwerkbau. Thanks for watching, my friend. In case you didn't catch it, the video below documents what I did to tune the Sport. Before the tune: th-cam.com/video/nXQbPnx3hh8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gXkKI5lUDxdDKoJe The tuning process: th-cam.com/video/0Eggpn-lyPk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1ePvBAPvLMnVuibf
Hi Kevin, Thank you for another great video and lesson. May I ask, please, when the air rifle trigger is pulled and the piston released, does the piston touch/brush the top of the compression chamber or does it just miss? I always presumed it would fall just short. Thank you. Best wishes, Ian.
Hi Ian. The piston does indeed come to a violent stop when it contacts the end of the compression chamber. The resistance that the pellet provides is enough to prese rve the life of the piston by limiting the air flow out of the transfer port. For this reason and as you're aware, repeatedly firing without a pellet (dry firing) can cause much damage over time.. The resistance that the pellet provides is enough to protect the rifle from harm.
Great video! I have a new Feinwerkbau Sport air rifle and interested in doing a tune. Did you end up using the stock piston seal or were you able to use an aftermarket seal? I checked ARH and didn't see anything available for this airgun. Thanks!
It was an aftermarket seal, and it was from ARH. He's got a category on the left side of the main page that lists "Piston Seals" Click on that, and then it's the very 1st seal listed. Fits the piston much tighter, and mine required no fitting. Have you got plans to make a spring guide from Delrin or something similar? That's the main component that cancels felt vibration. It must fit tight within the spring. Jim (ARH) might be able to make a custom kit just for that rifle. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he's already got the measurements and made a few by now. Even just a new guide and the original spring would make a big difference, but the length of the original makes for a harsh shot cycle, in my opinion. Feel free to reach out should you run into a roadblock. Thanks for watching, my friend.
@@razor1962 Thanks for the information! I'll go back to the ARH site and check it out. As for the spring guide, no I didn't have any plans to make one myself and was hoping ARH would have something. I'm extremely happy that I was able to buy this rifle, but I agree that it definitely needs a tune. I've installed several of JM's tune kits in the past, so was hoping he eventually comes out with one for this gun.
Hey man nice job on that one...you seem pretty handy with the tools...anyway its a shame that a 500€€ rifle (made in Germany!!) sounds like a rusty old machine when cocking, and recoils like a kicking mule! I mean, for this money I would stick with Weihrauch. Cheers from Italy
Thanks Raffaele, it's a good rifle. It's build quality is right up there with the Weihrauch guns. They just needed to refine the finished product a little better. Fit and finish are top notch. Accuracy is outstanding. Trigger is a joy. You're right of course. It should never have left the factory the way it was but now, after some tweaking, it's a dream rifle. Thanks so much for watching. Please consider subscribing if you haven't already.
I'm only speculating but I imagine that the o-rings are to act as bushings to help keep the rod centered for positive sear engagement. Thanks for watching and Merry Christmas.
Great video. Can you explain why you cut the spring down? Seems you lost several ft lbs. Also, is that bottle plastic still holding up? I’m fascinated by this build but am unsure about that plastic sleeve.
The gun, in my opinion, is oversprung. This makes the firing cycle very harsh. Taking a coil reduced the recoil substantially and reduced toe power output by about 1 lb. Time will tell on the plastic sleeve. So far no issues after 500 shots. Thanks for watching!
@@razor1962 thanks Kevin, yes only 1 lb reduction, sorry mis-read numbers. Last question - that piston seal popped off so easily, did you do anything to counteract that? You made a point of showing how loose it is, but didn't comment further on any changes. I guess the question is - is that semi-loose piston seal OK as is? Thanks again, I've re-watched this several times, very informative.
Hi James! I replaced the piston seal with a much tighter fitting replacement from ARH (Jim Macarri). The original was prone to separating from the piston. Thanks again my friend.
When you consider just what a lovely shooting gun the 124 was out of the box, it is really difficult to credit that FWB would present you with such a lemon, particularly at that price point. I would be interested to know how many other shooters have experienced the same disappointing performance, Also it seems to me that power levels rather poor the 124/127 used to produce around 16/17 foot pounds, after all these years I would expect at least 21 ftp's from a company of this stature, smooth shooting to boot. Whats going on FWB you need to up your game or lose your rep.
Hi David. You make a good point. I've run across a few other Sport owners with similar issues and some others with zero complaints. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
Nope. Never tried that. My quest for more power in my springers is over. I'm more concerned with smoothness and accuracy. Thanks for watching my friend.
Having bought an FWB 124D from the original ARH in 1979 ( serial # 18866) I am amazed that the FWB factory would have turned that rifle loose. Some of the rifle looked good quality, but some was crap. From the price point, sad and embarrassing for a great company.
It's a beautiful Rifle especially with the lines the added to the butt stock but the from the factory action for breaking and firing was horrible. She get the TLC she was supposed to have had from the start, good Mod Work , now a good rifle is great as it should be. 😎⚖️
Hi Lee, I'm sorry but I don't really have time or enough experience to offer that type of service. You may want to reach out to Macarri (Air Rifle Headquarters) or Vortek Products. I'm reading that one or the other or both have been working on developing a kit for the Sport. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
I would have sent that back for two reasons. 1. You have invalidated your warranty and 2. They need to know that their QC has failed you and neither you nor they expect a gun to leave !ike that. If they do, then return it for a refund. Frankly having seen the inside I would spend my money on something with better quality internals like an Air Arms Pro Sport.
It's the rifle that dreams are made of now. No regrets my friend. The satisfaction of transforming the rifle was worth the time and the money spent. Thanks so much for watching.
@@razor1962 OK. I have a .177 airgun that is difficult to break. The problem as I see it is that the angle of the barrel catch is wrong, it is to pointy. I already replaced the spring with one with less tension but the problem persists. My next option is to make a new catch with a less pointy end so it moves easier over the retaining bar. Do you think it will work? Sorry if my English does not explain it properly, it is not my home language.
@@L.V-Rider I'm sorry LV but I don't really know the solution to your problem. I'm not really an airgun-smith. I'm pretty much a novice to the tuning aspect of air gunning. For me the extra effort required to break the barrel is not really an issue and so I just plan on living with it.
@@razor1962 I made a new barrel catch with 10mm stainless steel shaft with a less pointy end. I kept the original to have it as example for the future should I need it. I also returned the original spring as the new one is now to soft. Now the breaking effort is is very easy as well as closing the barrel but still hold the barrel firm in place.
@@L.V-Rider Wow! That's a huge project. Was this on the FWB Sport as well? I find that on the Sport, even though it's difficult to break the barrel open, the barrel closes with ease, requiring not much force at all.
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The cocking noise was the reason I never bought a Feinwerkbau air rifle and always stuck to Weihrauch, that is a disgrace for a high price and alledged high quality German product. The turn around with cutting the spring, the sleeve, guide tube and piston head is a revelation. The lack of recoil and noise is amazing and goes to show how far a little fettling can transform a gun. 10/10.
In all fairness, I have heard from other folks who purchased the Sport that did not experience any cocking noise. They do seem to all have a pronounced spring twang. For some, that's a non-issue, but for me, it's not something that I can tolerate.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Kevin, you are right. NEVER quench steel in water. It’ll be brittle like a file. Thanks for all you do. Kevin.
Thanks Kev and thanks for watching.
Even with it's faults that rifle is a work of art.
Agreed 💯 percent. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
Nice tune up.
They really can be do much more than stock issue. I tuned my hw99 and it's like butter. Especially deburred all surfaces and buttoned the piston. Polished trigger. Luscious
Yes. A quality airgun can be tuned to near perfection. Sounds like your 99 is a good example. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
This was insanely in depth, I think this may be the best and detailed tuning guide I’ve seen on TH-cam.
Thank you so much! So glad to hear that you enjoyed the video.
The most detail AND great camera work.
That trigger guard was a bold design move that works. That Italian stock is absurdly good looking.
It took a while, but the trigger guard kinda grew on me...
Wow totally nailed it! Great video! Especially for anyone who has never tuned a springer or someone who's done many (👍🤣) had a feinwerkbau back when I was 17, I'm 61 now and an experienced springer tuner of German guns, this makes me want to buy one just to tune it! Awesome 🎉
Thanks, Peter. I'm so glad that you enjoyed the video.
Thanks so much for watching.
FWB hadn't even considered the UK 12ftlb market.
The new 'Sport' with its 30mm bore and large stroke is just too big. The earlier 124/127 were perfectly proportioned which made them a firm favourite throughout Europe and the States.
Having said that I do like the new 'Sport' open sights stock pattern and the new trigger is said to be a fine improvement.
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Awesome! Great to have you aboard my friend. You make a good point about the Sport. It was aimed specifically at the US market. It's truly a wonderful rifle once the beast has been tamed somewhat. Thanks so much for your viewership.
Hi Kevin,
This reminded of a time very much missed time when I would have spent time with my father and he would have been showing me how to do/make something. It wouldn't have been air rifles back then, I wasn't allowed. It would have been something else, fly tying maybe?
My father was very much like you. He was very laid back. He'd do something properly or not at all and what he produced was genius.
Utube and you, Kevin have given me the opportunity to live that again.
That was a fantastic watch. My father left me a mk five or six BSA Meteor, which he had fettled and was good to go.
Youve inspired me to have a go and try to erase the spring twang in that. While I'm there, I may have go and make my own stock for it, make it really mine. I'll see what time allows and what ideas I come up with.
Many thanks, Kevin. Another great, enjoyable, interesting, inspiring educational video to watch.
Best wishes.
Ps. If I had made such an improvement to an air rifle as you have, I'd be extremely proud. Well done Kevin!
Hi Ian, it's really a pleasure to know that you're enjoying the videos. Thanks so much for sharing your story. I'm glad that Weihrauch got back to you. That's really terrific.
Good luck with your project. After seeing some of your work, I'm certain that the finished product will be a head turner. Thanks as always, my friend.
I’ve learned so much from this vid thankyou. I managed to track down the history of my early 80’s HW80 with unusual cylinder seal ( O-ring seal instead of the usual cylinder seal). It was apparently a custom job for FAC rated rifles carried out by Venom. I made contact with an ex Venom employee who informed me he runs the same system in HW80 running at 30 ft lb with no issues at all. Regards (UK sub)
Thanks, Alan. I'm glad that you found the video helpful.
I've heard of that piston / o-ring arrangement, but I've never come across one myself.
Excellent Video... I'm surprised I missed this one at the time, however, as always keep up the great work.
Thanks as always, Steve.
Wow! What a difference that made. I should probably try doing that to my Gamo Hunter 440. It is crazy noisy inside.
Thanks for another great video.
Roy
Auburn, WA.
Thanks, Roy. I'd love to hear how your Gamo turns out should you decide to proceed.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Hi I,m across the water in the UK and I tried everything to get a new Feinwerbau Sport to no avail and tonight whilst looking for a scope on Airgunforums I couldn't believe my eyes I shall collect it Saturday and put it next to my original FWB124 deluxe I,m contented tonight love your videos.
Hi Robert. I'm thrilled for you! You're about to receive a spectacular rifle. It may need a tune right off of the bat, but it'll be so worth the effort. So glad to hear that you're enjoying the channel. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
An amazing transformation. As an engineer, I can appreciate the work you put into that beautiful rifle. 😊
Thanks Steve. The gun was worth the effort. Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
You, my friend, are much needed at the Feinwerkbau factory! Wonderful tune up video 👍👍
Thanks Jake! I sincerely appreciate your viewership.
@@razor1962 It's a genuine pleasure.
I bought one of these in 22 last week 2nd hand from a shop not knowing a lot about them I’m happy I got one now
Fantastic rifle once the bugs are worked out. One of my favorites. Thanks so much for watching Jordan.
You've transformed it! It is now a nice, tuned rifle. In honesty this is how I would have expected to have shot out of the box considering its high price. Having said that every spring-piston air rifle I've ever bought gets the strip, polish and moly treatment and a tight fitting spring guide which removes the twang.
I believe you did the right thing by lowering the power output as in the real world the difference in 15 ft lbs to 12 in .177 is hardly noticable and is better for accuracy. I'd sooner have a rifle that is accurate and lower powered than a powerhouse that can't hit anything. A nice firing cycle is where it's at. Many thanks.
Thanks so much. I'm very pleased with the rifle now. It shoots like a dream.
I sincerely appreciate your viewership.
Aussie Dave from Pennsylvania here,... I have ordered a $65 Chinese Underlever .22 to do EXACTLY this !... My own "tuning" to see how good I can make a $65 Chinese Underlever Air Rifle :)
That's great Dave! Don't forget to let me know how it turns out.
Great video. Again.
Love your content.
Especially with tuning.
An idea, long stroke a Fwb300 … :)
Thanks so much! I'm glad that you're enjoying the channel.
As far as long stroking a 300s is concerned, you oughta' reach out to Marc Myers. He's been active in this very comment section. He is a FWB guru. If it can be done, he'll know how to do it.
Thanks for watching.
Well done,the satisfaction smile!
Thanks very much and thanks for watching.
I really enjoy seeing your thinking process. I want to do some tuning to my 1983 hw77 and have no prior experience. I do build motorcycle suspensions as a profession and can relate to a lot of this. Also, I have my own ideas I’d like to try. Thanks for sharing!
So happy to hear that you enjoyed the video. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
@@marcmyers1465 thanks for the comment! Yea, I took apart some cheaper air guns and I know it is a mind trap or a rabbit hole. Sometimes what seems good isn’t. I’m kinda scared 😱
Well done!
Thank you sir and thanks for watching.
Just tearing into my 1982 FWB 124 Sport. Hoping it is a little better in fit and finish than the new one. It would have been nice to see you assembling the gun and how you avoid damaging the safety while compressing the main spring. I am just finishing building a spring compressor for mine. I used a solid scope mount with a 1" id and a piece of stainless 1" tubing (marine railing). Machined and fitted ss slugs for each end with a hole drilled and threaded 1/2" x 13 tpi machined a slotted (for adjustability to other rifles) plate that bolts to the end slug at the end of the plate is a welded nut, again 1/2 x 13tpi into which slips a section of ss all thread with a handle welded to the end (you could just weld a nut on). Using a piece of high density poly to form around the safety so an aluminum pushing plate pushes on it and the threaded rod pushes on a recess in the aluminum to keep it centered. I might add a captured thrust bearing if needed tomorrow. I am replacing my disintegrated original plastic plug and will upgrade with the ARW kit. I am thinking if there is as much slop in the spring guide as you found that I will machine a new one out of stainless and polish it. A thick plastic washer between its head and the spring will dampen any impact as the spring detonates. The gun still has very tight tolerances in the barrel fork and steel washers as well as the pivot bolt so I am hoping for the same quality in the rest of it. Tomorrow will tell the tale. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching Douglas. I employed a wooden block with a recess cut out to protect the safety.
Check out my video on the installation of a tune kit for the 124.
th-cam.com/video/jdhFC8Cyuek/w-d-xo.html
Your spring vise sounds like a winner.
Please check back and let me know how your 124 turns out.
Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Very impressive. I came to your channel for the HW30/Beeman R7 video and subscribed immediately. Excellent presentation and you pass on your extensive knowledge in an easy manner. Thank you👌
Well, thank you! Your kind words are very much appreciated. So glad that you subscribed and to have you along for the ride.
Really nice job sounded load's better I couldn't believe how loose that spring guide was I'm not surprised it was noisy 👍👍
Thanks so much and thanks for watching.
Another very interesting and informative message,your nail polish is much better than my masking tape.
Thanks very much and thanks for sticking around.
Good job!
Thanks Phillip and thanks for watching.
You sir are a gunsmith. I've watched your channel for a while and enjoy your air gun videos. I shoot springers frequently and enjoy them a lot. Let me know if there is scope creep.
Thanks AirGunner! Thanks so much for watching. Will do on the scope creep.
Very good job. I do not understand that FWB is selling an air rifle that sounds Try to get ptfe sheet material and it will be still as perfect after years of use and probably even more quiet. 👍
Thanks so much for watching. I'm glad that you enjoyed it. If my sleeve fails, I'll look into PFTE for the next one. Thanks for the tip!
I have a fienwurkbau 127 I tuned that and it shoots awesome
Fantastic rifle, Paul. Enjoy!
Man I saw a video of yours about a 20 caliber Sheridan ! I have one and it’s a great gun !!!
It sure is! The early Benjamins were of the same quality. Beautifully made airguns. Thanks for watching Kirk.
nooit te oud om bij te leren, heel duidelijk en prachtig uitgelegd, ervaring delen met anderen is TOP en dat doe jij als de beste👍
Thank you so much. So glad that you enjoyed the video.
Great video!
I just picked one of these up from a friend that bought it a few years ago and just stuck it in his safe! Same as yours squeaky and harsh shot cycle! Ordered a seal from ARH and looking forward to making it sound like yours!
What you have my friend, is a diamond in the rough. With a little TLC that rifle can be made into a dream gun.
Thanks for watching.
"Sounds like a sick duck." -HARD CUT. That was hilarious! Charlotte kept asking me what I was laughing at. When you were talking about the spring fitting into the shaft, the word in machining is called a 'slip fit', opposite of that would be a 'press fit' where you would have to press it in with force and you cannot remove it easily. The oil hardening was the right choice in this case for a spring. Nice job with the lathe too!
Overall, this video was excellent! Levels better than your others. The editing, music, volume control, organization and presentation was spot on!! Very informative, simple and clear. I am really impressed. Such a good job. I like the recurring theme of 'ringing the bell'. And you got it in one take after all of the talking! Not once but three times!! Give us more bloopers!! Honestly can't believe how good this was!!! Super excited and proud of you!!
Damn Jay. I don't know what to say. Thanks so much. I need to do more of those project videos.
I'm humbled.
Hello from England, interesting channel, i've just subbed. That rifle sounded dryer than a lime burners clog, (old English saying), when you first got it. She sure sounds sweet now. Thank you.
Thanks so much John. It's great to have you aboard. The Feinwerkbau Sport has become one of my favorite air rifles since the tune. Wonderful gun.
I did the aluminum sleeve, didn't last , also Pop bottle plastic will fail rather quickly, and after that failed I did some more research, and to my surprise, it turns out regardless of how nice and smooth the plastic seems it actually creates more drag. I have since made a steel one from a smooth can,with no ribs. I haven't used peek but I suspect that would be even better. It's a lovely looking air rifle! They could rival any spring airgun if they just finished what they started. Thanks for the video!
I was wondering how long it would last. I kinda' expected that it would be short lived. Thanks for your input. I'll take your advice when it does fail.
Thanks for watching!
For "peek", did you you mean PFTE?
@@chrisw4611 yes my bad
Great job buddy. 🙂
Thanks for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@@razor1962 Yeah I watched both your videos & the gun sounded really horrible before you worked on it! I currently shoot a Weihrauch HW 99s (Same as your 50s I believe), Beautiful sweet shooter but it did have a bit of a twang when new. I just fitted a TBT spring guide & top hat (short guide for the front of the spring) Relubed with Moly paste. Didnt need a piston liner because of the front guide. Now its beautiful to shoot smooth & quiet. Ive shot Weihrauch guns since 1980 & loved them all.
@@TheFoxio A Weihrauch is hard to beat. I wanted to machine a top hat but my lathe skills weren't up to the task. The sleeve was my next best option. So glad that your enjoying the videos. Thanks for watching.
Excellent presentation. Thank you
Thanks Ken. I'm glad to know that you enjoyed the video.
Excellent video buddy. ATB MMMD
Thank you my friend
Your videos are great and very informative. I had recently purchased the same model FWB as in your video. Tried every tuning company about a kit. No one makes them, atleast the obvious known tuning companies. Wish I could send my FWB your way for a tune . Keep up the good work with your videos and content . Can’t wait to see your next one.
Thanks so much Bryan.
Congratulations on your Sport. It's a fantastic rifle in the rough. I spoke with the folks at Vortek Products and they seemed to be willing to try to help with mine. Instead, I opted to try and do it myself. You may want to contact them.
Thanks for watching!
Great video mate , very impressive, I did a similar thing with my 1987 diana 52 except the spring guide it no shoots around 17 fpe now can only shoot to 12 yards at the min 😢, you also have a very impressive work shop , thanks for the video
Thanks, Peter. Much appreciated. I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed the video.
@@razor1962 it is a good looking rifle, I have no idea why the would let it leave the factory that way , I looked online their like $700 , and I actually like the trigger guard
Yeah, when I bought mine, the price was much moe more attractive. From what I've learned by listening to other Sport owners, is that not all of them were like mine was right out of the box. Most buyers were quite pleased with their new rifles.
Glad to see it sorted mate!!. Well done
Thank you and thanks for watching.
Something very satisfying about watching a fella create. Gained a sub from good ol Wales. Brilliant.👍🙏
Thanks so much Paul. It's great to have you aboard!
This is how I felt after putting a drop in kit in my AA Prosport.
It's really a satisfying endeavor.
Thanks for watching Patrick.
Great work Kevin all part of the fun.
Indeed it is. Thank you.
As usual educational and entertaining
Thanks, Trevor. Much appreciated.
Nicely done Sir :)
Thank you very much and thanks for watching!
nice workIi do this to all my air rifle`s it make hell of a diffrance nice lock time and cocking sound . you can understande why thay dont put the effort in to finnish them of it very time cosuming and time is money to a company .it`s right though imo , i think you have set the power just right .all the best from the UK
Thanks very much, and thanks for watching, my friend.
So awesome ! Thank you Sir.
thank you verry math for your tip ,have a great zonday myn friend !!!!
Good job, I've had 3 124's, 2 deluxe and a sport. The old models, sold them because they were under powered. Really considering buying this new model after seeing what great results you achieved and the price has come down considerably!
The Sport can be made to be an incredible rifle. If you're willing to put the time into it, it'll reward you with its accuracy and sweet firing cycle. They're no longer being produced from what I've been told. There was a guy selling one new in the box on the AGW classifieds. He was asking $525. That's about $70 off retail.
I absolutely love my Sport. It's become one of my favorites. Thanks so much Dennis
You did a top job on that rifle, I've always done the same thing over the years on Weihrauch's, think you'll find the piston sleeve will last quite a good while, l always say why can't they make these guides and piston tolerance correct at the factory, but hey it's interesting to do and get a good satisfactory result
Thank you very much. The TX is on my list. I'll be featuring one here one day. Thanks for watching!
I'm impressed, great video!
Thank you Frank! That's great to hear. Thanks for watching!
This was seriously a great video!
Thanks so much and thanks for watching.
Very Nice! Good job.Subbed.
Thanks so much!!!
What a shame this work can't be done at the factory. Not everyone has the tools or time to make the gun as smooth as you have. I've invested lots of time getting my TX200 to be the best it can be for HFT competition. Working on them does improve your relationship with the gun though! 😎
It certainly does. Thanks for watching my friend.
Another quality tuning video, could you show us the bell please and state it's range.
Thanks Thomas. This link shows the bell at the end of the video and explains what it is and the distance. th-cam.com/video/XF-lur6BMRo/w-d-xo.html
Wow... what a transformation, that awful squeek and grinding brand new for 500 bucks....rusty bed springs is a good description. How can they let it go out of the factory like that and have the gaul to charge 500 odd bucks for it. Its a handsome rifle alright and with the tune it sounds great. And as always I love the bell. 🔔 can't wait for the next video. Your fast becoming my favourite air gun you tube channel. Keep up the good videos.
Thanks Graham! So glad to have you along for the ride. You're my first "fan" lol .. Seriously, I really appreciate your subscription and your comments.
Just remember, they were $900 when the first came out.
I would . . . if my new FWB sounded like that out of the box!
Yeah, it was a shock for sure. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Sounds way better than it did to begin with, good job!
Thanks very much!
Beautiful gun
It is indeed. Nice to have it shooting as good as it looks.
Thanks for watching
@@razor1962 your welcome,
Always a great vid to watch.
May I ask do you use a chronograph atall if so what one is it ?
@@PeakyBlinder I use this model...
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Exellent simple tune you did there, i see the trigger looks as simple as the original sport, what piston seal did you use in it? I had a 124 old sport with the maccari mongoose kit in & it cocked like a knife through butter & shot really well. For that price it should have shot as well out of the box your new one though i might add. The old pop bottle piston lube sleeve trick is one i've used for about 30 years too.
The "new" sport responded exceptionally well to the tune. It's become one the favorites in my collection. It's a pleasure to shoot.
I bought the piston seal from ARH (Macarri). I haven't been doing the plastic soda bottle trick for as long as you. Perhaps you can give me an idea of the lifespan of the plastic sleeve? No idea how many shots I can hope for before it's ruined.
Thanks so much for subscribing and for taking the time to watch.
@@razor1962 It depends on how tight a fit the spring is in it really, I use a washer inside the sleeve for the spring to rotate on in the bottom of the piston & one on the guide too well greased with moly i've only had one chewed up so far , i grease my springs well too & the sleeve prevents any of the grease getting past the piston head to caused dieselling. when they do fail you'll know as you'll feel it catching when cocking the gun. Some tuners used ptfe sheet for the sleeve but i've found the pop bottles work fine for me . What's the trigger like on your new sport? I was always dissapointed in the old one, for that kind of price the new one should have a rekord quality unit in like the new walther lgu Imho..
looks good!
Thanks Ken and thanks for watching
Wow....great video. I havent looked at FWB in years. I shot a 300S as a Sub Jr in the 70s in Jr High.
What a blast from my past. Now looking at a few of the vintage FWBs. I think the Sport model could get more use as my competition days are behind me. Question... was your new Sport just a outlier or do they all have these issues that need to be tuned out? You are a new sub for me.
Hello, and great to have you aboard, my friend. The Sport has been discontinued. However, there may be a few on shelves at certain retailers.
It's a general consensus among most Sport owners that they are a little oversprung, resulting in a rather harsh firing cycle. However, the issues that I had are quite rare.
Thanks so much for subscribing.
I almost bought a feinwerkbau 124 in 1985 but got the beeman C1 instead.. Great video Sir.
Thanks very much, my friend. I had a C1. Awesome little rifle.
New sub!! Love your channel
Awesome! Great to have you aboard my friend.
The shooting version of Bob Ross, soft voice and great results.
Thanks Alan. I've been called the Bob Ross of airguns more times than I can count. 😊
Thanks so much for watching.
I know that feeling it's quite a high when you make a springer all it can be
It sure is Jim. For me, it's takes a gun that I'll always pass over in favor of a smoother shooter and it makes it into a go to rifle...One that's enjoyable to shoot.
Thanks so much for watching.
I know this is a year old but great job...
Thank you very much.
Thanks for the detailed view of your repairs. You've become my go-to guy for mods and repairs. So did you replace the sloppy piston seal? From Feinwerkbau that was alarming to me.
Hi Lawrence, I did replace the piston seal on the Sport. ARH (Jim Macarri) offers a direct replacement.
I had the original FWB Sport back in the 80s. It was by far the best air rifle I have ever owned and I deeply regret selling it, since finding another one these days is mission impossible.
It's not impossible. It's just expensive. I just finished a video covering installation of a tune kit in a FWB 124 that I bought second hand a couple of weeks ago.
th-cam.com/video/jdhFC8Cyuek/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much for watching and please consider subscribing.
How is your water bottle sleeve holding up Kevin? Beautiful rifle. I would be smiling also.
Still going strong, Ken. That plastic is pretty tough and slick. Works like a charm.
Thanks as always, my friend.
@@razor1962 glad to hear the sleeve is holding!
excellent video, thanks for sharing. What is the accuracy like after the tuning
Thank you. Here's a video that I did showing the accuracy at 25 yards.
th-cam.com/video/qdZ15cYA_Tk/w-d-xo.html
I always used to get these mixed up with the weihrauch,
Both quality companies.
I'm a little late, but nice job 🙂👍
Thank you, my friend.
That's mad l didn't even know you could still buy them new that was a surprise and news to me . I have one of those original air rifles from the seventies it shoots like a tuned air rifle amazingly accurate and hardly any recoil and the trigger is better than the T06 and rekord trigger assemblies that sounds and cocks like a cheap Chinese air rifle l can't believe they made it , surely they are not all like that.!
Hi David,
This is a completely different rifle than the original 124s and 127s. This one is the "Sport" and sadly, it didn't last too long in the airgun world. It was grossly overpriced at 1st, and the price slowly fell to become more in line with the competition. With somewhat lackluster sales, the rifle was discontinued.
No, they are not all like mine was. Most of them were pretty quiet, albeit a little buzzy with a harsh recoil. They definitely respond well to a tune.
Getting back to your 124, now that's a classic. You're correct about the smoothness. I've owned a few over the years. They are delightful guns.
Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
Job well done sir. I have a brand new air arms pro sport that I feel is vibrating and buzzing way too much. What is it with quality control these days? Companies used to care I guess. Anyways, I’m pretty handy like you are but I lack a machinist lathe. I have a regular wood lathe but haven’t honestly used it that much. I have everything else you used though. I make knives as a hobby so cutting and heat treating a spring is cake. Anyways, I don’t wanna talk your ear off. You inspired me to want to tune my pro sport up. I want to smile for weeks too!
You don't need a machine shop to transform your rifle. Pick yourself up a Vortek kit. Once you do so however, you'll be thinking about doing it to all of your guns.
Thanks so much Matty.
vortekproducts.com/ourstore/PG3-TUNE_KITS
@@razor1962 thank you!
@@razor1962 I got that vortek kit installed yesterday. Just wow. What a difference. I also got the upgraded piston seal to go with it. Had zero trouble installing everything which I wasn’t expecting 😂. It’s a tad bit slower FPS than stock but I really don’t care at all. It shoots so much quieter now. Just a nice THWACK. No buzzing sound at all. Thanks so much for suggesting that to me!!
I'm so glad to hear that you're pleased with the results. Did you buy the 12ft lb or the "HO" kit?
If you bought the HO kit, it'll probably break in the new piston seal and start pushing higher numbers.
Thanks for letting me know.
@@razor1962 it’s definitely more than 12 fpe. Pushing a 13.4 grain pellet at 730 FPS.
Great job! That is a awesome rifle now. Hey where are you located? U.S, Europe?
Thanks William. I'm in New England on the east coast of the US.
Thanks so much for watching.
awesome video thanks for sharing. the piston sleeve is to keep the spring from rattling in the piston? do you ever need to do something like that with your HW rifles?
Yes, the sleeve provides a barrier that stops the spring from vibrating directly against the piston wall. Keeps the tolerance snug to decrease vibration.
All of my HW guns have Vortek kits in them. The kits include a steel sleeve which produces the same results.
@@razor1962 Oh gotcha, I haven't installed the vortek kit yet I didn't realize it has both a sleeve and a guide.
@@patrickrenschlerHi Patrick. I haven't heard from you in a while. I hope that all is well in your life 🙂👍.
@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 thanks! Happy 4th!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
verry nice vid kevin !!!! i have a other problem with myn hw !!! aubout a 50 schots i must the side screws end the trigger guard with a philips screw driver more put vast of a loos 1 bolt.and looing in so big treeg after a screw🙁
Hi Koenraad. Have you tried any thread locking compounds like blue Loctite? That may help to keep those screws from loosening.
Thanks as always my friend.
Aussie Dave from PA again,... Watching you collapse that spring & I noticed a very comprehensive array of Saw Chain bits for .050 American Chainsaws, .058 for European Saws & some .063 for Stihl ;)
Do you do repairs or are you into logging & felling ?
Good catch. Full service small engine / rental business
@@razor1962
My Dad has owned a large Outdoor Power Equipment store in Australia since 1978 & he is still going lol,... I did some Sales but ran the Parts for about 15 years, did some small service/repairs.
He has scaled down now at 79 years old but for decades we were the largest single retailer in the Southern Hemisphere :)
One year we retailed, one at a time, more Honda Mowers than the country of New Zealand ;)
Top dealers for Honda, Stihl, Husqvarna, Homelite, McCulloch, Bolens & anything else we decided to sell,... If I had a dollar for every Chain I cut from a roll & joined with the rivet spinner then I could buy more Air Rifles lol.
@@davidyummus6259 That's quite a resume. We're a small, 5 man operation. My brother and I run the place. Been at it for 44 years. Nice to meet someone in the same profession. Thanks again for taking the time to watch.
@@razor1962
Looking forward to more :)
@@razor1962
My younger brother who lives in the state of Tasmania Australia was a Briggs & Stratton Master Service Technician,... Best Mechanic I know !... Now he has fun modifying, restoring & driving his 67 Ford Fairlane 2 door which he shipped from South Carolina to Australia :)
Thanks for all your videos. Do you like the FWB over the HW springers
That's a tough question. Out of the box, there's absolutely no comparison. The Weihrauch wins (from my own personal experience), hands down.
Now that I have tuned Weihrauch guns and the FWB Sport, the Sport is a superior rifle. Better sights, better machining, more attention to detail, personally, I really like the FWB stock too. Performance wise, I think the Sport wins there too. It's built with the quality that you'd expect from Feinwerkbau.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
In case you didn't catch it, the video below documents what I did to tune the Sport.
Before the tune:
th-cam.com/video/nXQbPnx3hh8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gXkKI5lUDxdDKoJe
The tuning process:
th-cam.com/video/0Eggpn-lyPk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1ePvBAPvLMnVuibf
Hi Kevin,
Thank you for another great video and lesson. May I ask, please, when the air rifle trigger is pulled and the piston released, does the piston touch/brush the top of the compression chamber or does it just miss? I always presumed it would fall just short.
Thank you.
Best wishes, Ian.
Hi Ian. The piston does indeed come to a violent stop when it contacts the end of the compression chamber. The resistance that the pellet provides is enough to prese
rve the life of the piston by limiting the air flow out of the transfer port. For this reason and as you're aware, repeatedly firing without a pellet (dry firing) can cause much damage over time.. The resistance that the pellet provides is enough to protect the rifle from harm.
@@razor1962 Thank you, Kevin. A fantastic explanation. How fantastic is our modern technology 👏
Great video! I have a new Feinwerkbau Sport air rifle and interested in doing a tune. Did you end up using the stock piston seal or were you able to use an aftermarket seal? I checked ARH and didn't see anything available for this airgun. Thanks!
It was an aftermarket seal, and it was from ARH. He's got a category on the left side of the main page that lists "Piston Seals"
Click on that, and then it's the very 1st seal listed.
Fits the piston much tighter, and mine required no fitting.
Have you got plans to make a spring guide from Delrin or something similar? That's the main component that cancels felt vibration. It must fit tight within the spring. Jim (ARH) might be able to make a custom kit just for that rifle. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he's already got the measurements and made a few by now. Even just a new guide and the original spring would make a big difference, but the length of the original makes for a harsh shot cycle, in my opinion.
Feel free to reach out should you run into a roadblock.
Thanks for watching,
my friend.
@@razor1962 Thanks for the information! I'll go back to the ARH site and check it out. As for the spring guide, no I didn't have any plans to make one myself and was hoping ARH would have something. I'm extremely happy that I was able to buy this rifle, but I agree that it definitely needs a tune. I've installed several of JM's tune kits in the past, so was hoping he eventually comes out with one for this gun.
Hey man nice job on that one...you seem pretty handy with the tools...anyway its a shame that a 500€€ rifle (made in Germany!!) sounds like a rusty old machine when cocking, and recoils like a kicking mule! I mean, for this money I would stick with Weihrauch.
Cheers from Italy
Thanks Raffaele, it's a good rifle. It's build quality is right up there with the Weihrauch guns. They just needed to refine the finished product a little better. Fit and finish are top notch. Accuracy is outstanding. Trigger is a joy. You're right of course. It should never have left the factory the way it was but now, after some tweaking, it's a dream rifle.
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i noticed 2 o rings in the piston rod , any idea what those are for ?? , great video
I'm only speculating but I imagine that the o-rings are to act as bushings to help keep the rod centered for positive sear engagement.
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Great video. Can you explain why you cut the spring down? Seems you lost several ft lbs. Also, is that bottle plastic still holding up? I’m fascinated by this build but am unsure about that plastic sleeve.
The gun, in my opinion, is oversprung. This makes the firing cycle very harsh. Taking a coil reduced the recoil substantially and reduced toe power output by about 1 lb. Time will tell on the plastic sleeve. So far no issues after 500 shots. Thanks for watching!
@@razor1962 thanks Kevin, yes only 1 lb reduction, sorry mis-read numbers. Last question - that piston seal popped off so easily, did you do anything to counteract that? You made a point of showing how loose it is, but didn't comment further on any changes. I guess the question is - is that semi-loose piston seal OK as is? Thanks again, I've re-watched this several times, very informative.
Hi James! I replaced the piston seal with a much tighter fitting replacement from ARH (Jim Macarri). The original was prone to separating from the piston.
Thanks again my friend.
When you consider just what a lovely shooting gun the 124 was out of the box, it is really difficult to credit that FWB would present you with such a lemon, particularly at that price point. I would be interested to know how many other shooters have experienced the same disappointing performance, Also it seems to me that power levels rather poor the 124/127 used to produce around 16/17 foot pounds, after all these years I would expect at least 21 ftp's from a company of this stature, smooth shooting to boot. Whats going on FWB you need to up your game or lose your rep.
Hi David. You make a good point. I've run across a few other Sport owners with similar issues and some others with zero complaints.
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have you ever tried to drill holes in the piston to make it lighter and move faster for more fps
Nope. Never tried that. My quest for more power in my springers is over. I'm more concerned with smoothness and accuracy.
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This airgun sond like the spring uit the matras out the matras ons furst nacht Maria Ha,Ha,
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Having bought an FWB 124D from the original ARH in 1979 ( serial # 18866) I am amazed that the FWB factory would have turned that rifle loose. Some of the rifle looked good quality, but some was crap. From the price point, sad and embarrassing for a great company.
Agreed. It was totally unexpected. However, now that the issues are worked out, it's one of my favorites. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
It's a beautiful Rifle especially with the lines the added to the butt stock but the from the factory action for breaking and firing was horrible.
She get the TLC she was supposed to have had from the start, good Mod Work ,
now a good rifle is great as it should be. 😎⚖️
Thank you very much my friend.
Hey surely benjamin Sheridan cross an vintage rifles get a look in
No idea what you're trying to say, Phil.
Can i be your long lost grandson 🤣
There you are, Sonny! Where have you been, my long-lost grandson...?
Did you change the piston seal?
Yes. Air Rifle Headquarters has a much better seal available. Thanks for watching Chris.
Outstanding great tuning and video.
Thanks Martin! Thanks for watching too.
i don't suppose i could talk you into making me a spring guide,could i? or at least sharing dimensions with me?
Hi Lee, I'm sorry but I don't really have time or enough experience to offer that type of service. You may want to reach out to Macarri (Air Rifle Headquarters) or Vortek Products. I'm reading that one or the other or both have been working on developing a kit for the Sport. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
will do,thanks.
I would have sent that back for two reasons.
1. You have invalidated your warranty
and
2. They need to know that their QC has failed you and neither you nor they expect a gun to leave !ike that. If they do, then return it for a refund.
Frankly having seen the inside I would spend my money on something with better quality internals like an Air Arms Pro Sport.
It's the rifle that dreams are made of now. No regrets my friend. The satisfaction of transforming the rifle was worth the time and the money spent. Thanks so much for watching.
What did you do to reduce the breaking effort before cocking?
The breaking effort is the same. It may be a little less as I greased the bearing surfaces with moly.
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@@razor1962 OK. I have a .177 airgun that is difficult to break. The problem as I see it is that the angle of the barrel catch is wrong, it is to pointy. I already replaced the spring with one with less tension but the problem persists. My next option is to make a new catch with a less pointy end so it moves easier over the retaining bar. Do you think it will work?
Sorry if my English does not explain it properly, it is not my home language.
@@L.V-Rider I'm sorry LV but I don't really know the solution to your problem. I'm not really an airgun-smith. I'm pretty much a novice to the tuning aspect of air gunning. For me the extra effort required to break the barrel is not really an issue and so I just plan on living with it.
@@razor1962 I made a new barrel catch with 10mm stainless steel shaft with a less pointy end. I kept the original to have it as example for the future should I need it. I also returned the original spring as the new one is now to soft. Now the breaking effort is is very easy as well as closing the barrel but still hold the barrel firm in place.
@@L.V-Rider Wow! That's a huge project. Was this on the FWB Sport as well? I find that on the Sport, even though it's difficult to break the barrel open, the barrel closes with ease, requiring not much force at all.
How can they leave it out the factory with that awful sound when cocking it
Evidently, no one was testing the products that day. Lol