Who Ruined Silent Hill? - The Tragedy of Tomm Hulett: Part 2
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Hearing Tomm ask "Someone believes in me, right?" broke my heart a little. He just sounds so tired and depressed. Poor guy.
He probably was. I cant begin to fathom how much pain it must be to be hated by the community he was a part of a series he loved. Tom was a lamb in sheep clothing ready to be eaten until konami got their shit spread out. Twin perfect is trash man these guys put a target on tom and that really fucking sad man.
@@Senythril They didn't intentionally place a target on Tomm. They failed to understand the gravity of their fanboy reach. They made a video series as some random dudes on youtube that i'm sure, they didn't expect to break a few thousand views.
Even had they expected it, from the viewpoint they had at that time... the knowledge we had access too, Tomm looked pretty bad. He did a few things that were not perceived very well. Now iv'e watched TRSHE two or three times over throughout the years, and it has been YEARS. Seven actually.
and i can tell you that they did call out Konami, the called out several people. But Tomm took the focus, because Tomm put himself in that role. He didn't act like he wasn't in charge, quite contrary actually. And while i disagree with their information in 2019... 7 years ago it wasn't so cut and dry. So relax with the vitriol.
Don't feel sorry for him. He's what brought about the vita game.
@@livingconstellation6003 You will be judged to the same measure you judge others. If you are willing to condemn others for one single thing, then may others pick and poke at every mistake you make all the same.
@@juice2307 Fire away if you got judgements. I can take it. I hope you can take it too.
I've never heard of Tomm Hulett, but these videos really remind me of why I hate nerd culture. They're good videos but man hard to watch sometimes.
"Why are people not setting car fires in the street over this?"
Because it's a video game. Get over it.
I do not like the idea of making a piece of media you enjoy become a basis on how you present yourself, nerd culture or not.
Tomm Hulett's situation reminds me a lot of how Star Trek fans used to treat Wil Wheaton in the 80s.
Misplaced fandom ire incorrectly directed at an individual who had little, or no control of the source of the problem.
Alastair Hadlow> "Why are people not setting car fires in the street over this?" Because it's a video game. Get over it.
That was hyperbole. ¬_¬
Remember when nerd culture was about liking nerdy things and finding camaraderie or at least mutual respect in each other instead of a bunch of gatekeepinng and dick measuring? Wouldn't surprise me if you didn't. But once upon a time that's how it was. I can remember when the biggest nerd drama you were likely to see was if you got into an argument with a friend about which console was better, or if a bunch of trekkies and star wars fans collided at comicon.
@@user-vn7ce5ig1zWe assume they are responsible for what they say... Hyperbole or not...😒
As a game developer that has worked in complicated projects managed by big companies that care literally nothing about the quality of the product they are developing I think this kind of video is super necessary in order to make people understand that most of the time things aren't as they seem, that the actual developers of the game (programmers, artists, etc.) have very little or nothing to do with the big decisions that lead the project in one direction or another.
Sadly this is the truth of most big companies...
Thank you TheGreatDebate for making this video.
What about indie games? 🤨 Did Hello Games deserve the flack they got for over-promising and under-delivering? 🤔
Ok. But how about Todd Howard and his works on The Elder Scrolls? Isn't he able to be hate for that?
@@fernandoperdicescasado563 Not just ideas but actually able to execute them properly. Video Game Concepts aren't worth anything if you can't bring it together into one product after all. That's why you don't just blindly support any Company be it small or large unless you genuinely enjoy what they serve you.
1:39 “Tomm Hulett, we love Silent Hill more than you do”
The self-entitlement is real
They kinda did, though... There is more of Silent Hill-like weirdness and tone in Twin Perfect's videos then in anything Tomm did, in the end...
Did you even watch this video explaining that Tomm was unfairly blamed for a lot of decisions made by people above him??? TwinPerfect used him as a scapegoat for harassment he didn't deserve.
@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 They were also assholes who shit all over an associate producer, lied about him and misrepresented him and encouraged their fans to 'get mad' and then acted shocked when they harassed and threatened him. They are garbage.
@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 Well, yeah. They're kind of malformed and freaky looking and horrid screeching noises come out of their mouths. That's pretty Silent Hill alright.
@@Maindrian Oh, wow... For all the talk of Twin Pefect being assholes you sure aren't making much of a difference...
Ya'll, start a petition to give me total ownership over Konami. The company has got to be worth, like, what, 20 bucks? $22.50?
Much more than when they were losing money doing videogames. They only do games that give them money and keep cashing in on the thousand other shit they do.
You're gonna give Metal Gear rights back to Kojima, right? You're in.
Three fiddy.
$22.50? I wouldn't pay that much for Konami, wait till the price comes down to something more realistic.
I fucking love you my dude 🤣
"Someone believes in me, right?" 💔💔💔💔💔
I animated TV shows and animated 'reboots' of a certain beloved team of characters.
I was paid by the frame, had my job threatened repeatedly, and received bullshit from the studio clients.
On top of that, all the fans turned the rage of their 'childhood' being ruined on the animators-- Not the production company (Of which I am not allowed to call out.) in-charge of pinching every penny till yearly budget for the production continued to drop per season, with even higher quality expectations.
Less than four animators remain from the original first season team.
So the next time you see a remake/reboot/revival of your favorite show or game, and you cringe at the direction it has gone; get mad at the executive assholes that favour cheap, short and easy products. They usually are the ones responsible for fucking things up.
...PPG? Sounds like PPG. Could be wrong.
You needn't confirm anything, you probably have some NDA you need to worry about. And that's fine.
That being said I wouldn't ever blame an animator for a bad reboot.
Speaking of bad reboots, whatever reboot you worked on couldn't have been as bad as the reboot for Reboot. A show in which the producer rebooted an unrelated show he worked on, and then said it's a reboot of Reboot instead. It's a bad reboot and a stealth reboot of something else entirely.
I've seen plenty of writers, animators for reboots cherishing and embracing the very changes made to the original, which led to the reboot ultimately being worse. The biggest Red flag is the "adapted for modern audiences" line.
I use to think that the Twin Perfect guys acted all egotistical as a joke and were just playing characters, but no, they're just really that hateful. The thing I really don't like about their videos is that I feel like they're talking down to me.
So ? Does that make whatever they told you make any less sense ? I for one loved how full of themselves they were.
@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 i can tell it's grinding your gears that people are talking shit about Twin Perfect
@@baroquechevalier8516 Sure.
*long pause*
...So ? You're getting somewhere with this...?
PurgeX Yup, having fun doing it, too. Your point being...?
DevilGearHill they’re egotistical assholes, living parody’s of angry fanboys. And if they were 100% right that still wouldn’t make it ok, but they weren’t. When you take a series as intentionally ambiguous as Silent Hill and try to concretely define the mythology, it’s just silly and misunderstanding of the franchise they claim to know and love. And even if Hullett was responsible for ruining the series (which he clearly isn’t) he doesn’t deserve to be fucking harassed. You have no leg to stand on, Twin Perfect are straight trash.
Somehow i feel even more at peace now with the franchise than before.
Thanks guys.
I'll admit, I use to scapegoat Tomm as well. You guys have really opened my eyes throughout the years.
I didn't do it often, but I did it a couple times too, so even tho he probably didn't won't see this, sorry Tom.
this tbh
twin perfect brainwashed my ass lul
Username checks out ;)
It's fine to poke fun at people sometime, but you should never send death threats.
@@lilteddiursa just tweet at him apologizing
Damn wtf i love Tomm Hulett now.
Really?
@OwO what's this? The Endless One is no such sheep lol
Tp bad, bad producer good
Yellow
I don't love him, but I do feel bad for him getting so much hate for stuff that he had no control over, especially since there's always at least one psycho who takes it too far. ¬_¬
TwinPerfect literally called Tom out and then claim they are not responsible even though they were the one who started it?
What the heck....
Props to Fungo for coming out and apologize directly.
I read in other comments that Fungo had apologized, but I can't seem to find any videos of it. Mostly turning up things about TP's dissolution rather than anything else.
@@dannylamb456 they showed a tweet or something I think.
Senior Associate Producer...
SAP.
It was there all along! Konami set him up as a sap to take the fall for the series!
1:30 man, I used to love this kind of content back in the day.
But nowadays I find this Angry Reviewer Guy style so cringeworthy. It's has zero substance, It's just a bunch of grown up men ranting loudly for 15 minutes. Bad jokes, bad criticism, horrible acting. I'm so happy the Internet grew pass this kind of thing.
Worst of all, many ripped off the AVGN (or the Nostalgia Critic, if you wanna go into movies) without really understanding what made their content work. A lot of the wannabes, successful or not, were nothing more than Internet trolls, throwing random insults and swears and calling them "video game critique". I have a particular Italian angry reviewer in mind (who also turned out to be a neo-nazi), but the issue was widespread.
@@AlexTenThousand yes, avgn and nc worked, because they were satirical characters and james and doug do such a great job with them
@@fabio-vb7xu And Doug also does quite the insight on movies and what they could have done to be better in his videos.
@@AlexTenThousand I still like some of AVGN stuff, he is more than a loud mouth reviewer. But the Nostalgia Critic, oh man, I can't watch his stuff nowadays. He just make a summary of the movie, puting in some bad jokes along the way, and he insists in those mini-storylines. Trying to insert storylines is what killed reviewers like Linkara and Spoony, these plots are always bad, don't add nothing to the review and just make the videos more bloated. Doug is a smart guy, his mini-reviews are awesome, but the Nostalgia Critic is so bad.
Meanwhile DSP's existance
I think those parodies of Twin Perfect skits you did at the start went a bit overboard but I'm still impressed at how much work you put into them.
....wait what
Yeah these guys do a dead on impersonation of Twin Perfect
I find it poetic how Twin Perfect ended, they started being douches and they ended being douches to one another.
Is the channel officially done?
@@Helvetica_Scenario seems like it, one of the most important members left (Fungo i think he was called) and they've been quiet lately. Honestly they're kinda irrelevant to this day.
@@baroquechevalier8516 Yeah, I knew about the drama with Fungo, but didn't know if the channel was done.
@@Helvetica_Scenario The channel hasn't updated in months and only one of the guys still seems to be involved anyway. So if it's not dead it's basically on life support. And good riddance.
@Happy 2BeHere Rosseter claims Fungo was physically abusing his girlfriend. He was trying to help the girlfriend leave the relationship. I don't know if either side is telling the truth, I'm just saying what the other side of the story is. 🤷♀️
I felt genuinely sad hearing about how hard Tomm worked to do right by fans and the series, yet was met with so much disdain. I really hope he's doing better now.
yeah it really is I hope so as well
He's working at WayForward now.
Twin Perfect seems like a collection of awful people.
It's pretty much just a bunch of kids with aspergers making statements based on how they feel rather than logic or evidence
@@JustSkram Don't use aspergers as an insult. YOu're as childish as they are.
@@JustSkram pretty much the vibe I was getting from them lol
@@GreekJR2 It's not an insult, I have it so I know the social signs. Also try not insulting someone when you can't even type "You're" correctly, makes you look like an idiot.
@@JustSkram I'm high functioning autistic and have spent several weeks around one of them. I'm not totally sure he's autistic but he at least loves being the most correct person in the room. kinda the "objective until it's important to me" type for sure lol
bonus context/comedy: part of TRSHE was shot in my basement, unfortunately (end of book of memories). I'll take a moment of silence for myself.
I always felt that laying the blame so thick on Tomm wasn't entirely fair, but now that we have a lot more hindsight and clarity, it straight up makes me sick that he got crucified the way he did. He was trying his damn best to keep that franchise on track for better for worse, but word of mouth and people like TP made it seem like all his bad choices were almost to intentionally ruin the series.
Its vogue to trash on Konami now, but Tomm got a huge amount of heat way before the Kojima/PT fiasco, he's a champion for getting through it and I'm glad he's still working at WayForward.
They were shitting on everybody involved and unfortunately Tomm Hullet managed to be attached to every game minor or not meaning they conflated his role while giving him the same shit they were giving everyone else.
Is #fuckonami still a thing? Because I feel like that should still be a thing.
I had no idea this was even something that happened in the downfall of the Silent Hill franchise. I'm so sorry that Tomm had to go through, and continue to go through, vitriol because of their passion. I've never gotten why we should scapegoat a person rather than a company. I don't hate Ion Hazzikostas at Blizzard, I hate the slow decline in Blizzard because of Activision and their endgame being eerily similar to Konami's.
Anyways, this was very well done, I'm very excited to see something from The Grate Debate again in my feed, this is a nice sick day treat.
That's what I thought. I think sometimes the blame can be lodged with multiple parties at times, but I always thought all this shit was konamis fault. Tomm was just a misguided (possibly untalented) fan that I think just wanted to help. But it's easier to hate a face I guess and he put his out.
He was so proud of the dogshit he worked that, at least to me, it came off as disingenuous and gross
#fuckonami
Konami is still all like "we make mobile games, ah ha ha!"?
#FucKonami
#FucKonami
#FucKonami
That Kenji Ono comment was incredibly important.
I have a big passion in games history and preservation is a very concerning issue. But I haven't read much from the Japanese side of things.
But now reading the words from a journalist working there, that gave me hope that people there are working on that as well.
So thank you for including that.
And amazing research and very well made video. Keep up the good work (whenever you can, haha)
I agree. I left a massive comment above so I don't want to repeat myself too much, but I do think it does touch on another potentially massive topic as the preservation of video game history is now a full blown serious endeavor. Its important modern culture, and yeah there's a very distinct story to be told I think on the Japanese side of things. I think there's a pretty big, yet understated imperative to preserve that culture, despite (or precisely because of) the difficulties like the one presented in this video. It's such an important, if not one of the most important areas of the overall tapestry of video game history and a big part of their own modern culture that I think there's quite a story there to tell and spread awareness of.
me too. it feels like it ALL MAKE SENSE to me why some Japanese Developers Lost the SOURCE CODE for the SNES and PS1 ERA and sometimes PS2 era. i think it needs to Address this issue about the LOST Source Code further so that people can understand why many are lost SUCH AS FF8, Kingdom hearts 1, SH2, and so on. i think there might be possible implications that FF5 and FF6 Source Code was lost hence FF5 and 6 Mobile but thats just speculating. the point is that i hope that someone out there make a VIDEO about it for AWARENESS REASON so that people will get a bigger picture on the japanese Side.
Believe me, the things mentioned in this video about source code in Japanese companies is spot on. Especially the Japanese Computer Gaming media. MSX, PC88/PC98 have thousands of software that have lost source code, worse their obscurity outside Japan makes this worse.
Its actually quite a telling parallel to the early film industry, most films made before 1950 are just gone forever and nobody saw their worth in preserving. Lost to the winds of nitrate storage and abandoned or otherwise purposefully destroyed by fascist and communist regimes. Rather ironically it's piracy that better preserved these films and the same is true for games too. Anecdotally I would never have access to games like Earthbound without ROM sites
Yea, pretty much if there isn't a re-release of an old JRPG on a new system, there is a good chance its due to the source code being tossed.
All that's missing from this is Jim Sterling saying "F*CK KONAMI. Cause Konami is Konami and Konami is the worst." Great stuff
I used to work in a company that used to punish its employees just like Konami. Every second was counted and we were shamed for going to the bathroom. Internet was a vital part of our work, but was only accessible on one single workstation in the office of 100 people. Some people were hired whose the only task was to observe and report others.
I sort of figured out he was being scapegoated after seeing his hesitation at the new voices in the HD collections, and after the Silent Hills/Hideo Kojima ordeal it became clear who was really throwing the whole IP in the trash.
For a long time, I scapgoated Tomm, but the stuff with Kojima and everything Jim Sterling revealed about Konami being a giant shithole made me realize who the real villain was
Honestly, same. I confess I got a bit swept up in the TP hate train (Though even at the time, I did note it felt a bit vitriolic...) but I am happy I have revisited this subject to get more nuance on the matter. Poor guy, thought he was getting his dream job, and instead...
I worked as a producer for a publishing company in Tokyo and a few years back I actually had the chance to send a pitch to Konami to publish the original Silent Hill games on Steam. As a lifelong Silent Hill fan, this seemed like a dream come true. When I was young, my dream was to work on a Silent Hill game in someway. In this way, I see myself in Tomm Hulett. Even though I think the Silent Hill games were mostly a disaster after 4 (Shattered Memories and Downpour were ok), it's clear that Tomm was doing the best he could in his position. Nothing came from my proposal to Konami, and maybe that's for the best given the current state of the company. Would still be great to get the original Silent Hill 2 and 3 PC ports on Steam someday though.
1 doesn't have a port, 2 has a ok port it's just can't be play on a modern PC, 3 pretty much has the best port in the series and 4 ohhh what can I say the worst PC port I ever seen in my life yet. it would be good if they remaster all four games again and release it on all platform or maybe a complete remake. ohhh and I heard that they were working on Downpour's PC port too but they cancelled it. what might have happen to it?
I don't know why this two part series popped up in my feed but I'm really glad it did. I've been a Silent Hill fan since the original and I've played all the sequels, including the less than well received ones. I never knew about Tomm Hulett and all the blame placed on him but I'm glad you took the time to set the record straight. The videos were really informative and well presented. You got a new sub!
Great message, so many people skip over credits and the effort that everyone puts in something, also thanks for putting tomm in a good light, no one deserves torture for what they couldnt control
For some reason, I keep getting visions of Phil Fish.
Either way, fantastic video, very informative. I never knew this particular story, but am pretty familiar with certain others. Yoshio Sakamoto and Metroid: Other M, for instance, or that one guy at Ninja Theory that took the brunt of fan rage over DmC.
Regarding Other M, it is kind of hard to compare Hulett's role to Sakamoto's. Hulett was a small fish in a larger hierarchy, who just happened to be the most visible one (and the fact that he was an American working for a Japanese company probably limited him even further in what he had clout to do and not do). Sakamoto was a senior member of the old Japanese guard of Nintendo, had a lot of personal control over Other M as a project (he had final approval rights on the visual direction, the soundtrack, the gameplay, and the voice acting) and while he was not behind all the most decried decisions in that game, he was by all accounts responsible for quite a few of them, like the story and screenplay, especially how Samus was portrayed, the heavy use of the Wii-mote in lieu of the Nunchuck, and directing the English voice acting, despite not knowing English. (Unless you know something saying otherwise. I would legitimately be interested in seeing that.)
Tameem Antiondes of Ninja Theory (I really don’t know how to pronounce his name) didn’t really do himself a lot of favors when he basically bashed the previous DMC games and characters. Admittedly, Ninja Theory was in a no-win situation when Capcom themselves were demanding all of the changes for DmC, but the completely poor PR (which was basically all about the controversy over all of the changes) doomed it from the start
I was around when the DmC debacle happened and Tameem drew a lot of vitriol and hate with some... questionable statements about the previous DMC games. Put it on top of overall miscommunication (for a good while we weren't sure if it's a reboot, spin-off or prequel, if it's considered a mainline entry or a separate game, will it replace the "old" series...), NT's track record up until that point (their games weren't exactly praised for deep combat mechanics), the overall design trends of that era, the very idea of "westernizing" a game series known and loved for its quirky Japanese aesthetics...
I'm not going to defend people who drowned NT in a sea of hatred. It was wrong and the devs did not deserve it, even if some of them kept adding fuel to the fire and antagonizing the fanbase. We should have had more restraint and a better grasp of our emotions. With that being said, the PR, community management and media coverage of DmC was absolutely horrendous, doing the game a massive disservice and needlessly escalating the drama around it.
Also, it was not about Dante's hair. The hair ended up being our least concern and the lowest point on the list of issues with the final product.
Re: Phil Fish. Take a looksie at the Innuendo Studios video for Phil Fish, very great breakdown of how becoming famous on the internet currently subjugates normal people into treatment like they are celebrities and what that entails.
Ben Sprague th-cam.com/video/PmTUW-owa2w/w-d-xo.html this is the vid the dude is talking about. I actually watched it cause I didn’t know why people always said they hated Phil Fish, at least more than a surface level dislike. Never made sense to me.
First off, I want to say I love how your video transcends the subject matter into a universal issue that continues to happen to this very day. The thing is life is not so black-and-white, and we live in a complex world. It's easy to use a scapegoat and blame everything on a single person or thing. It's where a lot of conspiracy theories spread: through ignorance, lack of skepticism, and mob mentality. It's why I'm a huge advocate of critical thinking and skepticism these days. Unfortunately on social media, where a majority of people receive their information, facts and misinformation can look the same, be given equal value (when they're not), and one may not know the difference.
But I digress. This is a subject that hits close to home for me as I've seen up-close the harm black and white thinking can have on others and including on the people who spread them. Massive props to you both! 👍
I think the bigger issue is people inability to just accept that even the best series are going to make bad entries regardless of who is at fault. We need to just take it as an "L" blame the company as a whole and move on.
So fucking true
Sometimes there's even nobody to blame. Everyone might be talented and do their best and still come up with an unsatisfactory and mediocre product as a result. It happens. Financial constraints may force the release rather than going back to the drawing board.
You know Valve's lead writer Eric Wolpaw? He used to run a popular website in the 90s, where he jokingly blamed the death of point and click adventure genre on a nonsensical puzzle in Gabriel Knight 3, and Jane Jensen as a game designer.
Not everyone got the joke. She got a ton of angry mails and death threats over this, for well over a decade.
Eric couldn't have known that, but an act of fraud committed by investors created a money black hole within the company, almost everyone had to be fired, and the game had to be completed regardless. A co-producer recently stepped forward and took the blame for the ill fated puzzle, said he had to throw out Jane's design and replace it by something they could implement last minute, and they all hated this decision, but didn't have an opportunity to fix it.
I'm a big Silent Hill fan (mostly the first two games) but I hadn't heard much about the Tomm Hulett thing. What I had heard though is the utter destruction of Konami by suits intent on mercilessly wringing everything for cash. Really sad, they were an amazing company. Good video.
Holy hell I cannot stand the clips of the grown ass men filming themselves having pretend arguments.
This two-part video about tomm hit me so hard. When a mistake was made from a team effort but was singled out to be blamed... it’s what I’ve been going thru right now.. I just needed to think positively and continue to do the things I love and care for.. i can move pass the people that did me ill-well and smile at them... wishing them all the best.. Much love for tomm and his passion in making games.
Konami hired Bluepoint to port Metal Gear Solid 1, 2 and Peace Walker to Ps3 and Xbox. Why didn't they hire them to port Silent Hill Collection?
Because they don't respect Silent Hill, it's more niche than MGS! So they spent way less money on its ports. They did a similar shitty move with Zone of the Enders' ports.
"Because Konami is Konami, and Konami is the worst"- Jim Sterling
I love the Real Silent Hill Experience, but just looking at what they say about Tomm really hurts. Shame he was the one taking the blame for problems from Konami of Japan and mistakes made a decade prior.
They really should update the videos. They did have him make a cameo in a more recent review on Book of Memories.
Agreed. I love their commentary on the game's stories and lore, but I was never comfortable with them singling-out Tomm. It is worth pointing out that they criticized the producers of ALL the post-Team Silent games (including Akira Yamaoka). It just happened that Tomm and Devin were producers when the vids were being made, so they got more attention and criticism in an attempt to shift the direction of the games.
@@GuyOnAChair Yeah i agree, they should address this, but the dogpile going on right now is supremely disappointing.
@@EQOAnostalgia One could call it ironic if they received the same kind of treatment as Tomm Hullet did by their hands intentionally or not but I'd rather people handle things in a more nuanced way than that.
Imagine what kind of Silent Hill game Tomm could make since he's been without the shackles of Konami.
I for one, would love to see what he could concoct.
Thanks for this documentary guys. Guess I'll see you again in 2023.
2021*
2024
It's hard to feel sorry for someone like Tomm Hulett when there are so many clips of him saying outrageous things about the series. He has said the very foundations of the series story lines originally established were boring and stupid, that the game controls and combat system should have always been more "action" style, and that the only original game that was legitimate was Silent Hill 2. While Silent Hill 2 was a great game it was more of a one off, and a great free standing title alongside the actual Silent Hill story line but it was not the true foundation of Silent Hill as Tomm seems to believe. Tomm is human so he will always see himself as the hero when attacking and acting condescending toward critical fans and the victim when being attacked by those same or other fans, simply at the end of the day he was someone who should never been allowed anywhere near a property like Silent Hill.
Exactly...I dont doubt that he is a fan of the game. But his wet dream of how the game should have been is his own and not the fans! Whish he would have just realized that. We dont want shattering crowbars, guns we lose again in a cutscene 20 mins later, before firing a shot...We dont want edited roadsigns with comic sense type. While we are running around in a big foggless squared box! Whish they had proritized their time better!
Took people 5 years to discover something sensible people knew from the get go. At this rate people will see that Kojima isn't really a saint patron of gaming around 2022-2024.
Uh what do you hate Kojima for?
@@SianaGearz No ''hate''' from me,but some things he did are confusing.
At the time of MGS4 he complained about Konami and having to work at MGS a lot,saying that was really the final,last straw for him.
So,what kept him in there in the 8 years between MGS4 and MGS5,mostly working at MGS might i add?
Also Silent Hills,what made him think that Konami would be on board with a AAA horror game after all those claims of MGS5's development being compromised by Konami's greed?
@@internetera1523 Inertia. Responsibility. Seeing himself as a creative professional and not a businessman, because it's the businessmen who make hard decisions. But he's also a studio head, he's responsible for feeding 400 or so families. It's obvious in hindsight that he should have revolted, disbanded the studio, and then reassembled it with all the same workforce under a new name and management, independent of Konami, but as i said, hindsight.
I think it's a bit shortsighted to assume that he believed Konami would let him produce Silent Hills; rather he gambled that whether they do or they don't, he'll get some net positive or a conclusion out of it. Everything you learn in preproduction and prototyping stages can still be used to produce an unrelated horror title - no work is lost really, because at that stage you're gaining insight, not final assets that will end up in the title.
@@internetera1523 think of it like this: You've written a story. It's what you'd consider to probably be your best work. It's a complete, self-contained work, and is done. You release it, and it's massively popular. Then, you get a message from your boss saying that you have to make another one, and continue the finished story. You don't want to, of course, because it's done, but your boss says it's gonna get done one way or another, which leaves you with a choice, either stay and continue the story you don't want to continue, or leave and have someone else potentially ruin your story in your place. Not an easy choice, but you choose to stay, since if it's gonna happen one way or another, it might as well be the way you want it to be. Then you have to do it all over again, and again, and again, and then just drop you before you're even done with the last one.
@@internetera1523 finally someone said the truth
I never sent him a message, but when I was in high school I was one of the people shitting all over him on forums, to friends, etc. Now it just seems so damn stupid and even before this I'd learned to just let things go when it comes to games. None of this is personal, even if he WAS the person responsible for the changes he didn't deserve the harassment nor the sheer vitrol.
Watching these makes me even more ashamed. Thank you, each of you, for taking the time to lay all of this out. I really do hope Tom's doing well.
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but to me it feels like all the people who like to blame a single person have never had a job before. Anyone who's worked for a week knows that it's always corporates fault. Always. Especially if the corporation in question is Konami.
I know I am 4 years too late for this discussion, but wow. I feel bad for Tom. He was probably the Silent Hill champ we needed at Konami, and yet he was blamed for everything. But time really proved us wrong with everything that happened with Kojima. Excellent video.
dam this man was canceled for something that wasn't his fault.
Not really
I'm so happy to see stuff from you both again
The source code part got me surprised because an Onimusha remaster happened somehow... i wonder if Capcom actually kept the source code or the remaster uses an unfinished build considering that the game was released way earlier than SIlent Hill 2
many remasters are handled by taking the game's final retail version and reverse engineering it (Bluepoint Games' re-releases take this approach and they're incredibly good at what they do), or even emulating the code and dropping the new graphics in on top. there are plenty of ways to approach it, but for a small developer with little experience it's unfathomable.
@@SleepingCocoon oh yeah like MGS HD Collection.
@@SleepingCocoon Not true. Small devs are more than capable of remastering games from retail disc. How do you think amateur modders mod PC games the way they do? Hell, Bluepoint Games was a very small dev when they started remastering games, and they still are. If you're a small game developer and you can't do something as (relatively) simple as remaster a game using code from a retail disc, then you shouldn't be in business. All it is a form of modding.
I still remember being an impressionable kid who loved Twin Perfect.
But I cringed so hard when they talked about loving Silent Hill more than Tom.
I really can't believe they put that in their video.
Yeah that's not cool, but i still think they were right about a lot of things.
Great series of videos! I accidentally stayed at work way late listening to these because I was so enraptured
As a more recent fan of Silent Hill after only playing 2 on the HD collection a few years ago, this has been really interesting
You don't NEED the original source code, TP told you. Bluepoint told you.
@Single out someone: LEADERS are responsible. Tomm could have been more honest and shown humility.
That image of Tomm Hulett is forever burned into my mind
Tomm deflects a lot of responsibility onto other people, even after saying he's responsible himself. He takes full credit, except when it's a problem, then it's someone else's fault. Twin Perfect only ever blamed him for things he said himself, and they quoted him to back it up. Also, he's not taking credit for the voice-acting changes there, even though he said they were all his responsibility on his own blog. And that, combined with the decision on who should have been paying attention to the team that was making the game, was all they blamed him for. He heard what he wanted to hear, not what they actually said.
Tomm Hulett: ”I did not have that much actual control over creative decisions”
These guys: ”No”
I like how they basically admitted that they are just creating a scapegoat. You can’t actually hear someone talk about trying to solve problems and think that guy is the bad guy. Did they think he personally added all those bugs because he hated Silent Hill so much?
Yes it looks like that because TGD cut out the end of that clip where they show multiple quotes from Tomm saying or implying he was "in-charge"
Editing is a wonderful trick.
Twin Perfect makes us fans look bad. My god,I remember Tom literally posting in Silent Hill Paradise. He actually tried to talk to us.
No, people without their own brains, make themselves look bad. Anyone who hops onto the train either way, without a mind of their own is and idiot. TP was free to leave their opinion, free to produce their own content. You're not subject to their will or their personal viewpoint.
The same hivemind bs that happened with TP, is happening right here, right now in this comment section.
"TP the real bad guys! TP BAAAAAD" *RAWRRAWRARWARARWRRRAWRR!!!* and you're all out here holding pitchforks in the comment section of not just this video, but several of TP's videos now... THAT is the definition of insanity my friend. Doing the same shit, over and over... did none of you mother fuckers play Farcry 3? GOD DAMN SON!
EQOAnostalgia
Few things are more enjoyable than watching people who stoked unjustified, popular outrage to harass someone get taken down by a mob once their douchebaggery becomes common knowledge lol
I’m glad to hear they got a tiny taste of what they put Tomm through. It really isn’t comparable, but maybe it’ll make them reconsider taking that approach in the future.
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Oh God, I wasn't expecting Mal_Fet to show up in this video after the time I spent moderating GameFAQs (yeah, yeah, laugh it up. I left 3 years ago for college obligations). Let's just say that scapegoating one of the writers at Bioware barely even scratches their long history.
The whole source code thing is a poor excuse for why old games aren't re-released, and a poor excude for why Silent Hill HD Collection was botched. You don't need source code to port old games. The whole Silent Hill HD collection debacle could have been avoided if Konami had done what they did with the Metal Gear Solid HD collection and contracted Bluepoint Games for the ports.
Bluepoint games ports old games using a retail copy of the game. Reason? They realize that even when "source code" is provided, it sometimes has bugs or differences than what's on the final retail disc. To avoid this, they reverse engineer what's on the retail disc and use that code to port the game to new consoles. They did this with MGS HD Collection, God of War HD Collection, as well as the Shadow of the Colossus/Ico HD Collection.
Hell, we could have Panzer Dragoon Saga on new consoles if people would stop spreading the misinformation that it's not possible because of "missing source code". It's not needed!
Games like Silent Hill 2 and Panzer Dragoon Saga were specifically built to cater to the consoles they were originally made for. The PS2 was a quirky console, even for its time. Porting is difficult enough even with the source code, so reverse engineering, while it can be done, doesn't magically make everything fixed either.
(The Saturn, in particular, was notoriously difficult to program for due to all the weird anti-piracy and anti-emulation measures Sega integrated into the console, as well as its dual processors, which was a new practice at the time. This is the reason Saturn games are rarely ported or re-released, and if they are, it's almost always a complete rebuild or remake rather than a straight port. The console was just a pain in the ass to make games for.)
All of Konami's main guys got struck in a major way but at least found away to bounce back. Examples being Hideo Kojima working on death stranding, Koji Igarashi completing Bloodstained Ritual of the night, and even lesser known individuals like Etsunobu Ebisu who worked on goemon later joining good-feel and working on yoshis woolly world. Even treasure had its roots in former konami employees. But to hear the state of Slient Hill and Tomm Hulett is surprising. Even after leaving, Mr.Hulett still had fan backlash for problems he was not responsible for. That is crazy. This is coming from a castlevania fan not a Slient hill fan. I know very little in this series.
Yep, i'm thinking they're back.
Yeah, about that.
Thank you for finally putting all of this info together! I used to just encourage people to look at primary sources and link to Translated Memories as an example, so it's nice to have a video that directly addresses how TP (and others) spread misinformation.
I think it's important to highlight that this video is made with a good few years more hindsight than Twin Perfect's. With access to more information than was available at the time. While I agree that it was wrong to harp on Tomm as much as they did, it's also not quite fair to paint them as acting completely in bad faith or even lying when there is NOW more contrary evidence available. If you simply look at quotes from Tomm at the time, and read them without any bias or context, he still was often painting himself as in charge, or knowing better than the fans. I don't want to blame the victim but I think it's fair to say that when a person with no PR experience attempts to be the main source of PR, then it becomes more clear how he managed unwittingly to paint himself as a target for the ire of a rightfully upset fanbase.
Ironic, after watching a video in which the whole thesis is to not scapegoat people, commentors seem to want to riot against Twin Perfect now. Maybe TP stoked those flames a bit too much. They certainly could have been more tactful. And I definitely think that they should probably ALL (not just Fungo) publicly apologize to Tomm. But I also wonder if this video is going to direct a lot of undue hate and villification towards Twin Perfect.
Like them or not, don't harass or vilify Twin Perfect either (and they HAVE had harassment directed at them too). Instead, let's all agree that the bad guy here is Konami the corporation.
That was beautiful and a very important message in this day and age. Well done!
I'm getting really pissed off with this Twin Perfect; the "Holier than thou" attitude while not knowing the shit Tomm had to go through.
I’m glad y’all put so much work into clearing this stuff up! Fantastic work!!
I only knew Tom existed because of TwinPerfect so I'm glad you made these videos. It changes everything
Part 1 and part 2 was like watching a Silent Hill movie, thanks. Konami sucks. Tomm seemed like he really tried, but got ripped apart. I don't know if it means anything, but I believe in you Tomm. I hope you're doing well.
There was alot more going on behind the scenes on the voice overs than you're letting on. If the voice actors had no grounds to stand on then there wouldn't have been a problem in the first place.
I remember reading an interview where all the actors were sent new contracts for the HD release, and part of the reason 3 didnt have the old voices was because they couldn't get ahold of at least one person from SH3. Guy wasnt the only one holding SH2 hostage, supposedly they were all in it together, he was just the vocal one about it since he got alot more interviews. He gets scapegoated for that situation, when in reality it was just a legal mess.
Shawn Hollern the issues with SH3 iirc was that they couldn’t find Heather Morris (Heather’s VA) and/or an issue with the estate of Richard Grosse (Douglas’ VA, who passed away shortly before SH3’s release in 2003)
It really is easier to slap your frustrations with any piece of media on a single individual than what is usually a lot of small bad decisions from a lot of different people spiraling a project into disaster. It doesn't help things get lost in the noise, kept in the dark due to things like NDA's, or when people understandably lash back out making the situation even worse. But stuff like this is important turning the "villains" of yesterday into actual human beings. I wish we could have more stuff like this when things blow up instead of so long afterward.
see you again in another 4 years
Re: Source code, I'm not sure it's fair to say it's a uniquely Japanese issue as some of this happened in the West too, albeit to a more limited extent. When all the Infinity engine games (Baldur's Gate, Planescape, Icewind Dale) were remastered a few years ago, they couldn't remaster Icewind Dale II (released in 2002) because no-one could find the source code. It seems even some Western companies didn't care that much about properly archiving stuff.
That or it was simply lost while moving from office to office, when their archives were damaged or completely destroyed by things like floods, fires or even poor housing conditions, when companies were dissolved or publishers went bankrupt. Things can go wrong even if you do care about preserving the past.
Yeah, they took up physical space, and I bet if you lost the floppy disks the code was backed up on, there was no main storage at the HQ for the codes. So many went backrupt and got bought out, I bet a lot of cool stuff got lost, or ended up in some dev's garage.
There is that famous one about Toy Story 2 almost being lost because of an oopsie and back-up tape tech issue, but being saved because a staff member was working from home and had a copy of all the files there. So easy to lose a part, which breaks the whole thing.
Source code for a game isn't needed to be archived because the entire code for a game can be found on the finished retail product.
Amazing little video series. Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to bring this info to light and undoing some of the wrongs the gaming community did. A great message to send to all content creators out there, as well. Kudos!
TRSHE really didn't blame Tomm as much as Konami from the times I watched it. Tomm was obviously the just American face to the company.
Yeah... because the first developer you want to make your next HD remaster is the developer who made some sub par Texas Hold'em games. Solid work.
It's silly to pretend most people were blaming Tomm Hulett for losing the source code, they weren't.
5:00 oh hey it's that thing you said wasn't happening
@@Feasco
"konami is run by a bunch of inept-something... who can't seem to hold on to the source code"
"it feels like Tomm is submitting this information as an excuse"
At any point that is implying he is to blame for the missing source code, rather that he is using it as an excuse.
*posts the exact line that shows they're blaming Tomm*
"You see, they're not blaming Tomm."
That...that's you. Like dude it literally immediately segues into a skit of them pretending to be Tom, choosing "dev builds" to put in the HD collection instead of the finished source code. It's RIGHT there.
@@LaZodiac learn how to read, in the very first comment I said it's silly to blame Tomm for LOSING the code, I'm agreeing with the video he had to use unfinish code because konami lost it, not because Tomm himself lost it. The skit is NOT him LOSING the code which was my point, he didn't lose it and to blame him for that is silly, which TP didn't do either.
I know how to read.
You should learn how to realize the conclusions of people's actions.
The wrap-up of the video is one of the most brilliant things I've seen here on TH-cam. It's an island of hope in the middle of this ocean of pure misinformation and douchebaggery.
Thank you so much
Why did people LIKE Twin Perfect? Like, actually why? Theyre entire persona was "we are smarter than you and are objectively more correct than you"
Wow, this really changed my opinion on Tomm, I used to be one of those people who thought he was the main reason behind many of the bad decisions in the recent SH games. It was really an eye opener to watch this, especially the story about when he made a list of the glitches, and he tried to get them fixed but nobody listened :x That must have really sucked, it seems like he tried his best but the higher ups kept fucking things up.
The Cane and Rinse interview is really good, you should give it a listen if you are interested. He is pretty fair-minded and actually had an interesting career (he got a job as a tester because he could beat a game everyone thought was too hard).
I watched twin perfect a lot back in the day, and looking back it's just ....rough. I think the worst thing is that so much of this information was misconstrued, or misrepresented straight up. Tomm's excuses may have been excuses but they all sound valid and reasonable - PLUS the fact he wasn't actually the end all be all
Man, these two videos were fucking solid.
Thanks a lot for this.
I genuinely don't know if it's an act or not, but the TP clips are just too much cringe.
Those videos were all made during the popular "angry reviewer" days of TH-cam. Hell, anger and derision still get more views than anything else. So, yeah, the anger you see in those videos is played up partly as a joke.
The greasy hair mde me think it was real. That grease looked genuine.
@@Helvetica_Scenario Given the way people talk about Disney's SW projects, I'm skeptical.
Kudos for making such a reasonable, well-produced video.
Twin Perfect was intellectually lazy and irresponsible, Konami was basically a parody of a clueless, toxic corporation, and The Internet was The Internet, vicious and shitty. Tomm Hulett didn't deserve any of the harassment he got because of these things, which were all outside of his control. But that doesn't mean he's a hero, and it doesn't mean his ideas about Silent Hill were any good. His work and his response to his detractors still deserve to be criticized, appropriately.
"i dont condone what happened to him, but what happened to him was still justified so its okay"
k
@@rptheory7501 Ok, so you literally can't read. Thanks for letting us know.
@@scorpwnok766 right back at ya in regards to this video :)
@@rptheory7501 Interesting interpretation... i question your comprehension skills.
The best part of this video isn't even Tomm's tragedy, it's the message at the end. Thank you for putting your time and effort into making this video, it helped me reflect more on myself.
This opened my eyes about Twin Perfect & Fungo too.
at least FUNGO admitted that he was wrong and he apologized. he won at least my respect.
@@Otoshi_Gami Agreed
a real human bean...
god these twin perfect guys are cringy and toxic...This is why I hate fandoms
1st found out about you from this Silent Hill debacle series.. instantly hooked and subscribed... very intelligent argument and presentation. respect
Twin Perfect's placing of Tomm Hulett as "The guy in charge" seems to be from quotes he's made where he himself said he oversees the product and had described himself has the one coming up with the project, hiring the team and "making sure each step of the way making sure the project is coming along how it should be" and at the end finalising everything including bug fixing with a QA, "pretty much guiding the project start to finish" so by that quote I understand why he was seen as responsible for a lot of the issues SH had while Tomm was working at Konami, in more recent times he's downplayed his involvement, so either this original quote (Voice in the static #4, shshatteredmemories.com) wasn't accurate or what he says now isn't. Though I won't speculate which is true I just wanted to show the information from Tomm in the past has been conflicting.
(I'm writing this after he said he wasn't responsible for picking the dev teams for games to highlight, yes, Tomm himself has put conflicting information about his time at Konami, but I can't say which statement is accurate)
Though I will point out in the example used from Twin Perfect about "Tomm Hulett changing SH" was entirely in context of the new voices and script we he has taken credit for being involved (which in my opinion he did do a bad job on) not that Tomm was also making the other changes and bugs. I don't see Twin Perfect was blaming Tomm for the HD collection using unfinished source code either, they were infact taking issue with the reason given, as pointed out in their video, Bluepoint, who were responsible for the God of War, Metal Gear Solid and Team Ico HD collections, made a point not to use source code so that their ports were feature and asset identical to the original releases (and presumably knew source code from games from the early 00s was hard to find). Again that blame is presumably on Konami if they're the ones who picked HiJinx to make the HD collection despite having no experience with ports/remasters and not instead going with Bluepoint who they had worked with in the past. Like I said Tomm himself said he was responsible for "hiring the team/s" on games he was associate producer on so who was responsible isn't cut and dry, though I still see Konami higher ups responsible for that.
I will say equating Twin Perfect's "Why aren't people angry?" quote to "it's okay to attack Tomm Hulett and blame him for everything" as a massive leap in logic, you can be angry without personal attacks and harassment and people should be angry at the existences of the HD collection for people some people's first experience of SH2/3 which is ultimately tainted and in no way recaptures what the original games were.
I do think not covering his involvement with the casting/redubbing of SH2/3 means part of the story of Tomm's work at Konami isn't shown here. Granted way too much blame was put on Tomm for things he had no control over by overzealous fans but there are creative work he did on the series (SHHSC new voices/script, SHDP's story he co-wrote and BoM's Story he wrote having to be part of the canon and how it changed parts of the original series's canon, etc) not represented in the videos. That might be outside the scope of these videos which are about debunking him as being the reason for SH's downfall (it always felt like Konami's fault for bringing out the series when it should have been left in peace despite liking some of the things Twin Perfect had to say about the series, just to give context they didn't make me blame Tomm for post-Team Silent SH games) though I will say, and this is more in hindsight but I kind of wish he had seen Konami was mistreating the series and accepted he'd never be able to fix the projects before release and not pushed for more SH games to be made or at the very least not have got involved, if only for his own good. He clearly had good intentions but he was ultimately setting himself up to fail.
These videos were great and did highlight some more behind the scenes stuff I wasn't aware of, personally I still don't agree Twin Perfect was saying Tomm was responsible for the series downfall, more just that he was part of it, but I agree they used him as a scapegoat way too much and should have done a better job in that regard. Hopefully if you'd like to you can address this comment and the one on Part one regarding
- Tomm's envolvement creatively with SHHDC
- Mary Elizabeth Mcglynn's claim Tomm was planning to rewrite the script
- Tomm's conflicting information regarding his level of control over the projects he worked on
- Emily Lineham's settlement with konami for her voice being reused in SH3 add's evidence to the idea Konami's lack of written contracts with the actors meant they didn't own the rights to the performances and did owe dues to the SH2/3 voice actors for the Xbox/PC versions and had to require the rights for the HD collection.
but besides that, these were very well researched and informative videos. :)
I'll copy/paste some of the stuff I answered in your earlier comment so people don't think I ignored ya! :)
"- Tomm's envolvement creatively with SHHDC"
I don't know how else to address this, this was covered as thoroughly as possible in the videos, as well as Tomm Hulett's interview. Additionally, don't you think a fellow who was doing PR for a game and wanted it to sell well would naturally try to come off as confident about the games and his involvement? That's just the job decsription of PR, right there.
"- Mary Elizabeth Mcglynn's claim Tomm was planning to rewrite the script"
In regards to the last point about McGlynn's comments about "a whole new script", we've been told she misspoke or was simply mistaken. It was a slightly altered script with new line timings that was intended to match the lip-flap of the characters better, but it got mostly scrapped, except for the two line changes in SH3.
"- Tomm's conflicting information regarding his level of control over the projects he worked on"
See the first answer about how PR is about trying to instill confidence in an audience about a product.
"- Emily Lineham's settlement with konami for her voice being reused in SH3 add's evidence to the idea Konami's lack of written contracts with the actors meant they didn't own the rights to the performances and did owe dues to the SH2/3 voice actors for the Xbox/PC versions and had to require the rights for the HD collection."
Firstly, that was Thessaly Lerner. Emily Lineham played Lisa in the movie, Thessaly was Lisa in SH1. We didn't bring up Thessaly Lerner's (Lisa's) lawsuit because it is an unrelated affair that only seems related because TwinPerfect (and others) acted like it was. She actually WAS legally right, because her voice from Silent Hill 1 was reused in Silent Hill 3. Not a remake or a remaster, a completely new and different game for which she was not compensated. This is why the PC versions of Silent Hill 3 don't have her audio, nor Michael Guinn's line "It's being invaded by the otherworld..." Konami was actually in the wrong there, hence why Lerner got a settlement.
I saw the other comment so no worries there :) (I also replied to those issues there)
Sorry I should clarify, by "Tomm's involvement creatively with SHHDC" I meant his work on the casting and vocal direction of the new voices in the HD Collection which he has on more then one occasion taken credit for, including Part 1 of the video, though again I understand it's probably not within the scope of these video's subject matter.
That is a good point about the PR and I agree with that, Tomm probably wanted to give fans the impression "someone was steering the ship" which I think backfired for him when he would later downplay his involvement, again I can't say for sure if his original claim saying he was in charge of guiding a project, coming up with the idea, hiring the team, working with the QA team and finalising the project was false or his later statements were, I just wanted to highlight the fact Tomm has put conflicting information out there.
One more question is, not to pass blame per say but how responsible was Devin Shatsky on the games he was Producer and Writer on the games? (though for clarification he only worked as a writer on Downpour)
Again I wanna say these 2 videos were great and did expose me to more nuance and information regarding the development of the SH games post Team Silent so thank you :)
"How responsible was Devin Shatsky on the games he was Producer and Writer on the games? (though for clarification he only worked as a writer on Downpour)"
Wish we truly knew :( We reached out to him for comment/interview stuff but he didn't wanna be involved. I mean, I don't entirely blame him. He saw what happened to Tomm in real-time, so he's probably smart to stay out of the spotlight and keep his role mostly-unknown.
And thanks! :) Thanks for watching and being very civil in the comments!
@@TheGrateDebate Glad you read that comment.
@@TheGrateDebate RE: Mary Elizabeth McGlynn's claim about a whole new script:
Twin Perfect didn't know that she had misspoke either. Perhaps they were overzealous in trying to quote mine whatever they could find to implicate Tomm, but that could just as easily have been an honest mistake. An "official" source said Tomm had written a new script. Had I heard that, I'd have been outraged too, and I'd have specifically been outraged at Tomm.
I've never played a Silent Hill, but I'd buy Tomm a beer for dealing with that
Bless you for shedding light on these real issues!!
FANTASTIC videos! Man, did you guys hit the nail on the head in your summation.
I AM SO HAPPY YOU FOLKS ARE STILL ALIVE, everything ok?
Bobvids twitter said that this was a yearly project, so thats what probably took all this time
I remember hearing about this project a long time back, wanting to see the result, and being sad it wasn't out yet. I'm glad to see it finally!
Gotta admit, even knowing quite a bit about Konami's business practices beforehand, I'm still shocked by everything in that recap.
11:30 Wait, that game, Vandal Hearts, was actually really good. Boring story, but well designed game overall i think.
I love this channel. Your videos are so interesting! I’ve watched all of your pt videos at least 7 times each and imma go back and watch them all again right now!!
Situations like this is why I was reluctant to dog pile Zack Snyder for the DCEU movies 😒
The same idiots that sent Tom death threats probably sent them to Hideo Kojima when he refused to work on the next MGS.
Didn't Wayforward discuss their original silent hill pitch and even show it off during a Half-Genie Hero kickstarter stream, or am I imagining this?
Great video, and an important lesson to remember.
Thank you for making this.. it's really opened my eyes.
I think konami should just sell silent hill to developers that cares about fan bases
And throw away all that sweet pachislot lucre? Are you mad?
My mistake for suggesting this idea I take it back please forgive me konami for hoping you stop crapping on the fan base and give us a proper game instead of a ball machine
@@Feasco actually that's not a problem. You can split the rights, you can sell the rights to all usages of the franchise's associated intellectual property except let's say movie and arcade/pachinko rights. You can even sell time limited rights where the complete property comes back to you in 10 years. If they're not gonna produce a console game, it makes sense to do something like that instead.
But consider what another company would be getting out of it? You can't copyright a genre. Maybe SH isn't worth hanging onto, maybe spiritual successor approach is more appropriate. Canon is a mush anyway now. Extra cost of marketing a new property vs. having to pay off Konami...