2016 Personality Lecture 15: Final
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- This is the final lecture for the Personality course at the University of Toronto for 2016.
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Hurray for us! Watched all of 2016, now going back to 2014 to watch that course!
Godspeed
What a way to end a course and enforce the commencement of Life.
Just finished the 2016 personality lectures - some great stuff here.
Kudos for putting it out for free and making the world better.
instablaster
Dr. Peterson, you are opening my eyes and ultimately my mind to things that I have not pondered much or at all. I find what you are saying is not only true but important. Thank you
I enjoy thinking that Dostoyevsky meant you are responsible for everything because you can only change and affect what is at your disposal. You are the ultimate tool. (ha) You must take a stance on everything you find. Action all the time not shying from life. Thank you for putting these online I'm burning thru them.
I have greatly enjoying listening to, or reading, historians, philosophers, psychologists, literature teachers, religious historians, and so on, but I am over the moon with this multi-disciplinary approach. Jordan Peterson has given me a new, enduring, intellectual zest, self acceptance, and self-belief that none of the other single disciplines quite gave me.
He is also a charming, sincere, caring individual, and an empathetic moralist. He reminds me of my father (his medical background gave him a grounding on human nature that those in the humanities typically do not possess.)
Thank you, Jordan Peterson. You have no idea how much I respect you.
brilliant Dr. Peterson , I listen to every word you say it comes from the deepwst and most honest place. Thank you for being there for us less experienced and less knowledgeable human beings. You are a ray of hope for modern people like us. stay blessed.
Done with the course. What an enlightening voyage.
Ya.... but what happened to the guy who was stacking envelopes?!
They wanted to ask him to leave him because he tended to chat too much with other people in the office. People found him to be disruptive.
Fortunately he decided it wasn't for him and quit before it came to that.
If I remember correctly, he ended up helping a guy who trained dogs, and being much happier.
I heard he went postal bro!! I’m not sure on the facts but it was a reliable source.
Drinking Diet coke, really, educated ok bro
And all this time I though Pinocchio was just a cautionary tale to avoid a career in the theatre.
Staggeringly informative and helpful. Probably revolutionary or at least a paradigm shift that won't come to fruition for 40 years.
"Human beings are meant to play with fire!"
Dr. Peterson just made me feel a lot better about maybe getting a girl pregnant
So, did you?
I hope not, haven't talked to her since
I need to sort myself out
So, did you?
THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW
just finished all the personality lectures and am now really excited to start the maps of meaning course. I hope more people my age(20s) watch and recognized how impactful this content can be
I really enjoyed this series of lectures. I'm thinking about watching the previous series of Personality before moving onto Maps of Meaning. Thanks Dr. Peterson.
This was amazing.
Heard all the series of this course, thank you very much for providing free and self awareness creation education. All the best to you
Great series! Thank you for your work.
This lecture was really really mind opening. Thanks.
You are welcome.
thank you for this course
You can get more informative and helpful information from this lecture than from an entire course at some Universities.
That segment at about 26:00 on integrating sexuality and aggression is so spot-on. The lack of that edge was, in hindsight, what disillusioned me with potential Christian mentors in my teens. That may be a reason why JBP's biblical lectures are popular with men but not church.
❤️ Thank you!
there are people who live the antithesis of this on purpose, for example certain artists. i was talking about the heirarchy thing, but your explanation of whats going on is probably the most magical thing ever
This video isn't in the personality 2016 category I found it in the TH-cam suggestions I thought the thirteenth video was the last one but this one is. Please fix it so that more people won't miss it. Thanks
Jordan would make a brilliant anime manga writer
At about 51:00 you talk about the relationship between morality and poverty. In A Framework for Understanding Poverty, by Ruby K. Payne, she characterizes poverty as a short-term perspective. Likewise, you have made a secular case for morality as iterability, which is essentially capacity to consider the medium to long-term. So doesn't that imply that these things are more linked then you might have suggested here?
The part ~ 58:00 mark is a synopsis of the Pandora story.
People are tough... That gives me some courage.
Professor Peterson, I just watched your video on the oceans and fishing. I was wondering if you considered that, for example, in the case of salmon farms, there was actually a commercial/political interest in wild salmon going extinct. In Norway, where salmon are farmed in fjords, the biggest fish farms actually are owned by politicians and their families, specifically the fisheries minister. Norway supplies the spawn to Canadian fish farms, and the salmon tic that is partially responsible for the ongoing extinction of canadian salmon, which previously fed indiginous people and bears, and thus the food chain.... Norwegian farmed salmon are fed with pellets made from eels from the Baltic sea, the same eels that live in the sediment at the bottom, where all the heavy metals from the residue of the wood industry of different baltic countries is situated....making farmed salmon pretty toxic, as the same metals are stocked in the fat of the salmon...which shall we say, don't have the same exercise regime as wild salmon, being bred in confined spaces with no current. Add the genetic modifications that accelerate growth by tenfold compared to wild salmon, and you have the picture.
A great talk, thank-you, I learned a lot.
So interesting. Maybe his lobster theory apply to salmons too.
Dr. Peterson, are you a pianist? an artist friend of mine's first observation of you was of your hands. she said "look at his hands, they're beautiful and tactile. i wonder if he plays piano". i noticed that you seemed to have a nuanced grasp of instrumentation at ~22min. just curious. as always, great lecture, and per usual, i'm soaking it in a second time
Joseph Drummond He does. he's mentioned it in another of his lecture series.
Interesting observation
No. He has mentioned that he has learned a pretty hard piece but that he gets stuck he need to rethink what he was doing, and compared it to pianist, who got the patterns down and are able to read music ahead of time. So I’d say his hands look isnt from playing.the piano
I'm about 15 min in and it's really good so far (I'm distracted by the need to get ready to go to my IRL classes!). I very much appreciate the lecture.
One distinction I'd emphasize is the phrasing you sometimes use: relative status IMO is a better way of phrasing it than relative poverty. Relative poverty is an *aspect* of relative status, but phrasing it as the whole focus ("relative poverty") makes it too easy for people with a material focus (and blindness to their own status, i.e. as intellectuals and quasi-intellectuals) to turn to the wrong "solutions" - relative poverty is a *facet* of relative status, but only one, and simply giving cilentela money/resources in a scheme of distributive politics won't solve the relative status problem. (It might pacify them to the degree it distracts them with shinies and tendies, but it doesn't affect status at all - except perhaps to the degree it exarcerbates rather than reduces the difference by making entire sub-populations into recipients). IMO this is one big area where modern political/social theory going back to at least Dewey is as misguided as the conflict/war theories that turned you off in the '80s.
Pareto was insightful about the As, Bs, and Cs of such efforts, though:
“Many of the B genuinely believe that they are pursuing, not a personal advantage for themselves and their class, but an advantage for the C, and that they are simply struggling for what they call justice, liberty, humanity. . .the sole effect of their action is to help the B to attain power only to fasten on the C a yoke which may often be more severe than that of the A. Those who finally understand this is the outcome sometimes make accusations of hypocrisy against the B or the A - as the case may be - who claimed they were guided solely by the desire of helping the C. But on the whole, this accusation of hypocrisy is ill-founded, for many of the B as well as the A are irreproachable in point of sincerity”
“They believe - and wish us to share the belief - that the elite which in reality is seeking to get and hold power to use and misuse it in just the same way as the elite it is opposing, is moved only by pure love of its fellow men; or, if we prefer the phraseology of our day, by desire for the well-being of the ‘small and humble’”
+Jordan B Peterson Those were in a collection of essays by Roger Scruton.
Pareto, Vilfredo, (1902), 1991. “Les Systemes Socialistes,” Roger Scruton ed., Conservative Texts, New York: St. Martin’s Press, pp. 257 - 265.
P.S. now that I got a bit further along in the video, re your comments on Justice (equity) vs. Egalitarianism (Equality), one thing to note about the most influential theories of the last long century (circa 1880 - now) is their attempt to define justice as equality in some way (i.e. for Rawls justice just is democratic egalitarianism) - to make All Good Things into synonyms with a focus on their own dominant trait (agreeableness-egalitarianism).
Beyond
Does 'Salutogenesis' as a model offer any value? At quite a few places in this as well as the Maps-of-Meaning lectures it seems to resonate/align with what seems to me to me the most important and fundamental issues. I wonder if perhaps it isn't philosophical or perhaps expansive or sophisticated enough to feature in this context, or perhaps it simply hasn't found enough 'traction' or perhaps I'm missing critical flaws with it. But if anyone could illuminate this question I'd very much appreciate it. T.I.A. www.centrelearoback.org/assets/PDF/04_activites/clr-GCPB121122-Lindstom_pub_introsalutogenesis.pdf
I wonder if all the Personality Lectures are the same every year? Or is every year something different?
Similar, but with varying examples.
I feel it's worth watching them all.
He comes at ideas from different angles as he thinks it through. In some versions, he shares more interesting details of the stories he tells.
Also, it's worth processing his ideas a few times. Necessary for me. Quite pleasant to have slightly different versions so there's enough difference to make it feel fresh
why isn't this in the playlist of its series of lectures?
15:00 and ON
“If you LET everybody INTO the UNIVERSITY system…optimized value structures…INCLUSION and Hierarchy.”
The REALITY of the UNIVERSITY SYSTEM is…it’s NOT about KNOWLEDGE…
It’s about networking, exposure, opportunity…MOST people FAIL to see this. You’re paying for those THREE things. You need to be a certain kind of personality to CAPITALIZE off those THREE things.
College is used to BENEFIT from a hierarchical structure. To get your FOOT…in a DAMN GOOD DOOR.
You’re paying for PEOPLE.
NOT for prestigious KNOWLEDGE. 😌
I'm fixing a broken pipe while listening to this...... weird mixing in my head
“Hooray for plumbers man, they’ve saved more lives than doctors”
“Hygiene”
I've really learned a lot from Prof. Peterson's lectures. But my understanding of the focus of Christianity is Jesus Christ, who represents ULTIMATE TRIUMPH OVER SUFFERING. The theoretical way of reaching this focus point is not through suffering but total yielding of oneself. It's hard to say which is easier, being humble and wise enough to let God fight for us or gather all the courage we have to fight the battle ourselves. My personal experience is that I'm naturally inclined to fight everything myself but relying on God brings better final results, while I received more peace and joy.
So it all depends on what one is looking for. Peace and joy or great pride in one's own power of conquering and achievement. In my opinion everyone has a limit and the consequence of loosing certain battle can be death.
If these ceremonies represent all these things why is it that Im only learning about them from a Canadian Psych professor and not from my sunday school?
Sunday Schools is made by amateurs for amateurs.
Your Sunday school teachers might just like most of us, who are not as smart as Prof. Peterson. However, on the meaning of all the ceremonies, Peterson just provided his own fairly meaningful understanding as someone who doesn't personally know God. I don't think he is fully correct on this and I don't think anybody can truly fully correct on this unless he is able to see from the perspective of God as God shows him. My understanding of the focus of Christianity is Jesus Christ, who represents ULTIMATE TRIUMPH OVER SUFFERING. The theoretical way of reaching this focus point is not through suffering but total yielding of oneself. It's hard to say which is easier, being humble and wise enough to let God fight for us or gather all the courage we have to fight the battle ourselves. My personal experience is that I'm naturally inclined to fight everything myself but relying on God brings better final results, while I received more peace and joy.
So it all depends on what you're looking for. Peace and joy or great pride in your own power of conquering and achievement. Personally I believe everyone has a limit and the consequence of loosing certain battle can be death.
Curious about your debunking Maslow's hierachy of needs, insofar that I have observed people who are preoccupied with determining how to get their most basic needs met (housing, food, jobs etc) as it appears that the lack of surety around garnering, protecting and preserving the most basic human needs occupies the vast majority of their mental energies (working memory, reactive interactions verse intentional, and the cumulative effect of this alters brain chemistry over time, with chronic doubt about future looming, self esteem, depression creeps in, you know these people too....)
The longer and lower people reside on the hierarchy, the more feral their action appear, driven out of desperation and biological need, not moral rightness. I think deconstructing it and dismissing it without consideration to the impact of chronic uncertainty on the developing brain and later, the developed brain is egregiously premature (Hashtag, I would have liked more evidence verses a simple dismissal). Think about the people who contact you for support and assistance, somehow, all of their basic needs have been met reasonable, so that they may now reflect and look inward to activate positive change. Perhaps I am missing something, however until there is resolve about your most basic biological needs then you cannot truly engage in higher level reasoning, which abstraction, philosophy and morality is predicated.
This is not to say that once developed, it is undone by fears, uncertainty and threats to personal safety, however it needs a foundation to be drawn from and once someones script is written in continual stress (you know this), alteration is difficult, if not impossible. In my experience, until someones most basic needs are met I cannot support them for true learning and abstraction, which moral reasoning (not the same as moral actions) is predicated on. This is presupposed on ones capacity for abstraction, as clearly there is great variation across people, cultures and ages. Try to intellectually engage someone holding their pee or in a state of continual hunger, they are not as apt and or able to listen. Perhaps, Maslow at the very least provides a framework for states of being as they pertain to learning and fostering or maximizing human intellectual potential, at least give him that :)
34:00 This seems to be the same place that Sam Harris is coming from with the Moral Landscape. That's a conversation I'd like to hear btw Jordan, you and Sam discussing the Moral Landscape, especially I'd like to hear whether you think that a morality built on that kind of foundation has the potential to wash away the blood of God.
Secular states have lead to the deaths of many more people than religion-based states.
Ian Newton , by "blood of God" I was referring to the infamous Nietzsche quote. I.e. I wonder if a concept like Sam Harris' moral landscape can adequately replace religious morality.
Certainly not.
Thank you for another year of insightful lectures. I realized you didn't come back to Tony Stark. Was there another insight to the avengers? Also why does his suit get more gold?
Gold represents the thing at the top, something that is desired and good. It's also representation of what we should be striving for and it's pure.
allot of strange ideas though ! the centre of the existence is suffering? thats "realistic" yes, alan watts says the ego is the "trouble-shooter" everyones got their own things they need to work on etc but thats not suffering, suffering is when you are trying to forgive yourself, suffering is when you need to change because you can't keep going anymore. I have pictures in my room which represent a certain part of me which i have flipped over occasionally to try and "switch off" parts of my mind. ive sat in a room after coming out of some of the harshest environments with the biggest attitude problem ever and cradled myself for 3 days whilst smoking a bit of cannabis which took me back to moments i regretted so i could make peace with myself.
its day 4 of being here. my room is sparkling clean, and ive earned the respect of quite a few people here and even some admiration
ive walked around occasionally (mostly on my own) as if i was stumbling all over the place, like being in the psychoanalytical space. right now i am calm because i have faith that it will all be ok.
this series of lectures has been enlightening and i even nodded at some points as if to say i understand
thank you very much mr peterson, your work is indeed special.
i honestly think this needs to be maintained. i think i need to listen to those sounds coming from within and also from the outside and differentiate the good from the bad.
ive spent the past 5 years addicted to drugs, i was diagnosed with BPD when i was 16. ive been to psychiatric wards and realised i took certain things with me from there that weren't mine. ive been to nasty schools where people play nasty games with eachother all the time. my parents have hammered into me the shit they cant deal with. i know people who have done the worst things imaginable almost nightmareish. all the things i have displayed in order to win this absolute masterpiece of a psychological end-game devised by some force i cant come to grips with nearly became me and ive been close to death on several occasions, after a fatal dose of oxycontin i came back whilst being "clinically dead" for an hour people have told me. i pray that i will remain strong.
ive seen dark mother archetypes in my dreams (queen mab from merlin 1998)
ive seen dark father archetypes such as lord voldemorte in a pretty intense dream where i had to pass through a series of tests and the final one was him me and my brother in a chamber where i would have the option to kill him or myself, i realise that the "brother" i killed was his part in me, we grew up together.....
ive seen a dark creature surrounded by people at some "display" actually give birth to another one, with water spraying out. (that was the birth of another inner space i believe)
ive seen houses collapse and water spray out, everyone knows what a house represents.
and allot more which i care not to talk about unless someone is really interested and wants to know more.
at first these thoughts scared me... i thought this cant be right, thinking this way, this must be my pathology.
It was "my pathology" but it was also a way to heal because i could trace everything back to the source, be it in memories i dissociate into and actually act out in the real world sometimes but badly because im mainly alone and object constancy is not something people with general probelms are not great at... but the way i looked at it ,the actual fear that was there, thinking that i was going crazy by looking at what was being shown to me, was what stopped me from understanding what the hell was going on.
i hope this comment can be respected in today's society.. actually i know it will be, because god damn it there are people out there who know this all too well.
this is somewhat of an ode to recovery :) god bless, be strong and love yourself in the right way....
2:21
you talk a lot about some pretty amazing things Dr. Peterson. And I realize you're relaying a lot of what the big theorists have said, but I wanted to get your take on astrology as it relates to personality. I used to be a skeptic but now I'm fully convinced that astrology is light years ahead of Western psychology. Any brief thoughts?
+Ananda Johnson
Well that's a really good question. I used to think it was nonsense until I turned about 30 years old. That was four years ago. I had exhausted my curiosity along the standard western lines and my interests began to wander, as they often do because I get bored easily. But when I looked into my profile as a cancer, I was flabbergasted by how accurately it portrays my dominant characteristics. I fit the profile of a cancer male almost to a tee. So then I began finding out the signs of friends and family and ex girlfriends, and patterns started emerging that kinda blew me away. For example, it turns out that most of my girlfriends had been Virgo and most of my male friends were Scorpio. I had a few encounters with Sagittarius women as well. Just as predicted, and evidently owing to the reasons predicted, those affairs began with passionate intensity but fell apart really, really painfully--at least for me. In any case, it makes sense to me that the motions of planets and other celestial bodies would have some influence on the formation of people. I can only speculate as to what the mechanism of action might be, if it can even be understood to have a mechanism of action, in the western sense of the term. The gravitational fields of all these moving celestial bodies, not only distort the fabric of space-time, and, presumably, anything moving through that distortion, but they also interact with each other in complex but orderly ways. I can imagine how these sitting forces exert some formative influence on human beings, if not all things that transpire within those gravitational fields. And If I had to ascribe a shape to history, I would be inclined to call it a helix because I conceive of history as being cumulative but circular. My intuition tells me that the periodic nature of the flow of time has something to do with it as well. So idk, look into and tell me if you don't think it predicts personality traits with uncanny accuracy.
+Ananda Johnson
Well that's a really good question. I used to think it was nonsense until I turned about 30 years old. That was four years ago. I had exhausted my curiosity along the standard western lines and my interests began to wander, as they often do because I get bored easily. But when I looked into my profile as a cancer, I was flabbergasted by how accurately it portrays my dominant characteristics. I fit the profile of a cancer male almost to a tee. So then I began finding out the signs of friends and family and ex girlfriends, and patterns started emerging that kinda blew me away. For example, it turns out that most of my girlfriends had been Virgo and most of my male friends were Scorpio. I had a few encounters with Sagittarius women as well. Just as predicted, and evidently owing to the reasons predicted, those affairs began with passionate intensity but fell apart really, really painfully--at least for me. In any case, it makes sense to me that the motions of planets and other celestial bodies would have some influence on the formation of people. I can only speculate as to what the mechanism of action might be, if it can even be understood to have a mechanism of action, in the western sense of the term. The gravitational fields of all these moving celestial bodies, not only distort the fabric of space-time, and, presumably, anything moving through that distortion, but they also interact with each other in complex but orderly ways. I can imagine how these shifting forces exert some formative influence on human beings, if not all things that transpire within those gravitational fields. And If I had to ascribe a shape to history, I would be inclined to call it a helix because I conceive of history as being cumulative but circular. My intuition tells me that the periodic nature of the flow of time has something to do with it as well. So idk, look into and tell me if you don't think it predicts personality traits with uncanny accuracy.
i would say that you're probly just looking for things to make up for your beliefs in my opinion. Kind of like an hypocondriac think he has every possible physical issues while reading a medical book.
im a libra and i dont fit the description at all...
+EvilMikeyIsVeryEvil
So you are predominantly a decisive person, who lacks charm and stylistic flair and could care less about being fair-minded? In any case, the example you gave would be an example of what is known as "confirmation bias." There is a chance you're right. However, given the popularity of astrology, what with its archetypal categorization of personality types, your denial of its explanatory power could be an example of what I deem "exclusionary bias." It's sort of like confirmation bias, but in reverse, where your mind is so enthralled by a certain paradigm that you exclude from your perceptions anything inconsistent with the paradigm. For example, you might be a materialist who conceives of the world as being made of nothing more than discrete objects, and so you exclude from consideration any evidence that might contradict your assumptions. But since these two are really the flip side of the same coin, wherever one is present so is the other, with the result that they collapse into meaninglessness and reduce all human thought to sets of incompatible biases. But there's something about that which rubs my intuition the wrong way. Not only that but I can readily attest to astrology's predictive power based on my own keen powers of pattern detection in myself and others. It wouldn't help to chalk it up to a placebo effect since it wasn't until long AFTER I had observed my own patterns that I looked into my astrological profile, as well as those of others. Lastly, although I strongly object to Dr. Peterson's evolutionary presuppositions, I do hold him in high esteem as an open-minded and deep thinker and I know from watching many of his videos that he would agree that the personality is essentially constituted by a sort of collage of primordial archetypes arranged into dominance hierarchies (I find that term to be redundant, btw). Unfortunately, since I am nothing more than a lowly construction worker with a felonious background, I don't get the privilege of being in a position to initiate a rigorous scientific study of the predictive power of astrological archetypes. That is why I asked Dr. Peterson what his thoughts were.
Bruce Kern if you want to believe in anything cause there's a possibility just go to church and ask your question... And pray for the flying spaghetti god while you're at it? You're just doing what you're accusing me to do with your "exclusionary bias" because you
Schadenfreuda rules our day it seems. No real power process breeds the resentment I suppose. Chaos for bunkers. We don't seem to want to eliminate others suffering but to share our own. Dismal I know. My shadow's the only one that walks beside me...and ...LOGOS!
Eliminating your suffering alleviates others. Eliminating the suffering of others alleviates you. We're interdependent. And that's really sexy. I mean that literally. Nowhere else can you see that truth being played out in a clearer way than during sex. Be sexy with your fellow humans and life will feel good. The shadows will shrivel up like a penis in the cold.
Thanks, good points, I've learned more to know and love my Shadow elements, maybe by shrivel you mean to know and incorporate them for use when necessary, (dark passenger), either way Jordan has enriched my understanding immensely, and I appreciate your insight. Pat
+Patrick Diederich Well tbh by shirvling I ment to keep it as minimal as possible. It will never fully go away.
I don't know how it is for other people, but my shadow side is fed by traumatic events i had as a child, that can give me momentary strength in form of anger but weaken me overall. So I dont want them to be "balanced" in my mind. I want them inbalanced in favour of my light side. Because its the light that shows you the right way to the fulfilment of ur dreams.
All darkness and chaos will do for you is to alleviate you from the confinements that following the light side entails. Which you have to do from time to time. But they won't constructively advance you in life, only light(/sexyness) can do that.
Eat organic and don't drink the water
Did he say yeast?
Indeed
37:15 lol
Christianity rejects sexuality aggression, not old testament though. Ancient Israelite's in old testament were very violent and blood thirsty.
49:08
So here Peterson basically demolishes his own argument (e.g. in the discussion with Harris & the atheist bunch). If moral norms are biologically predetermined, then religion is not needed to produce them indeed.
Is morality the same as social rules?
@@ralphdavidson9542 try to define both and figure it out.
Jordan makes me feel worse
Take the word “proclivity” out of his vocabulary and he couldn’t talk at all.