2017 Personality 10: Humanism & Phenomenology: Carl Rogers
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In this lecture, 10th in the 2017 series, I begin to talk about Dr. Carl Rogers, a humanist psychotherapist in the phenomenological tradition, and an expert on listening and embodied wisdom. Dr. Rogers offers very profound and practical lessons on the value of truthful relationships.
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A few notes I'm leaving for myself...
14:20 How to really get to know someone.
18:48 Most of the time people have problems, not psychological problems.
22:19 Making your anxiety work for you!!! ...
33:16 (Starts before this) The philosophy / psychology behind "clean your room."
40:08 "How to have a conversation" and "The curative exchange of truth."
46:26 Listening and empathetic understanding.
So so useful, thanks man
Thank you!
see
Thanks so much :)
23:20 could be explained as the dreams that many people have of being chased and how it’s your subconscious telling you that you are running away from a problem
There's a quote that goes something like "a wise man can learn more from a fool that a fool can learn from a wise man"
very true
Is that to say that fools have a lot to teach or that fools have a hard time learning?
David Vaughan you can learn something from anybody, even a fool, if you're wise enough to pay attention, so pay attention. At least that's what I get from it.
The wise man realizes everyone is a teacher, and the other is a fool because he does not.
Pelon 003 i think that's right. A wise person can "read" anything with a depth of association, a fool reads up to only the words presented themselves
I'm watching this instead of studying for the actual personality class I'm taking.
Lol.
You'll get an A+ now!
I dropped out of university when I realized I learned more in my free time, and didn't have to go a hundred thousand dollars in debt to do it. Do you know how long it takes to pay off over one hundred thousand dollars of debt? 10 years.... Of 1 thousand dollar per month payments. 10 fucking years.
mathew hill So long as you can teach yourself something which you can sell then it's fine...
Honestly it doesn't matter if what I learn is profitable, It's still better then a life time of debt that will pass to my children when I die. I already have enough money. I just don't want to be useless.
46:40 "If you're having a conversation with someone, and it's dull, it's because you're stupid." Hilarious and heroic. It's refreshing how Peterson doesn't hedge his speech to the degree most academics do.
Dr. Peterson is a very interesting and smart man. But I don't agree with that statement. With some people you just do not share enough life experience or knowledge to lead an interesting conversation. Although, maybe this sentence is taken out of context. I first read the comments, before starting the video :')
see
thatblessedday not a true statement from him. Many people stay in mundane conversation points to avoid personal connection.
This ties in with his lecture near the end, around 40:00. If your intentions with speaking to someone is to derive something truthful/useful, then the chances of that occuring is high. Even if 49 out 50 things that person said is useless, and you derive one useful thing (probably something you disagree with, or even hate), then it's a conversation worth having.
That said, its mentally taxing and as one of the responders above said, uncomfortable at times. That's why people dont do it.
He makes his teachings accessible. What good is a message, if there are no ears to hear it?
my mom spent 25 years trying to make me clean my room and failed
and Dr Peterson nailed it in 50 minutes ❤️
Sounds nasty , not cleaning your room for 25 years. Good luck
Same.
@@heinuchung8680 I believe we can do better than judging someone without knowing their backstory.
@@heinuchung8680 true
@@mihaibob4732 That was a joke. I thought it was funny at least.
I'm literally working while watching these lectures. I work at a factory so I can easily have all my focus on these. Thanks for great lectures Jordan
Me too man 👍 i love it
Do the same thing at my job, it involves a lot of walking around with minimal attention to what I’m doing. It actually kinda makes me want to go to work.
like wise
Same
Me too i love it , i would not feel ok in a job that requires all my attention.
If anyone has seen the movie Limitless with Bradley Cooper, it's interesting that the first thing that he does when he takes the drug is clean his apartment. Very fitting.
Yes .... that movie and Inception truly opened my eyes and mind to unlimited potential that exists in all of us once channeled properly.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
It's also the first thing you do when your on meth though
Fine, I am going to share this embarrassing fact. Because of JBP, I make my bed every morning right after I get up. I feel tremendously better just by doing that LOL
***** Thank you Dr Peterson. This is what it feels like. It makes my brain cells feel better. haha
Way to go! Keep it up. It's not trivial at all. I don't make my bed every morning and maybe I should.
lol good for you.
It is weird. It makes me feel better on like 12 different levels :P Aesthetic, ethically (it makes me feel more orderly), it removes guilt, I know other people will see it and appreciate it, I become a role model for me wee sister, etc etc
+Dr. Peterson and Annette Wow! And I can experience the butterfly effect all the way down here in Texas!
Q: Why should you even bother improving yourself?
A: So you don't suffer any more stupidly than you have to.
This is so brilliant, it literally changed my life. I remember listening to this 2 years ago. It was 2am and I was lying on my bed, feeling like nothing has any meaning, nothing really matters and I truly was suffering from that. You can say that nihilism was devouring me whole. I was mindlessly watching TH-cam when I saw Jordan's random clip. I clicked it and it was a fragment of this lecture with the above quote. When I heard that quote, I felt like a lightning struck me. This was THE answer to my suffering! I jumped out of my bed, wrote this down and put it on my fridge. Then I started cleaning up my apartment - at 2am, while listening to more of Jordan. This man truly changed my life, I am a different, more complete person with a solid sense of purpose. This man is a treasure.
Couldn’t agree more amigo
Jordan Peterson is so good for showing the light we can take from the darkness
"The exchange of truth is curative."
- Jordan Peterson, a translation for Carl Rogers.
I’ve always organized my room to feel better without realizing the reasoning behind it.
Yesterday I was only going to sweep my floor, but then I was motivated to continue. My entire room is organized now, and my closet/wardrobe is entirely in order - by color and season. I got rid of everything I don’t need/wear regularly. So satisfying.
It's been 3 years, you should organise your wardrobe again 😜
Feng shui
"Pain is THE fundamental reality."
I love how he articulates just deep principles and understandings in such few words. I couldn't word it like that, anyway.
"At the highest level of psychological integration, there is no difference between you and what you experience"
At that moment, I looked at my bedroom... and for the first time I had seen it with open eyes.
Bruh
These lectures are as good (and usually a lot better) than anything I experienced in 5 years of college. Thanks for making them available!
3:30 Objective truths, science
5:00 Subjectivity is still important
7:15 Heideger subjective experience is the core reality
9:30 Without subject, unclear what there actually is. Not the tree and forest problem.
12:00 Consciousness is difficult to explain as an emergent property from dead particles (I'm not convinced)
15:00 Why some people might have too much anxiety
19:00 Often people's problems are not just psychological but actually just problems
Having options so you can get out of bad situations
27:30 Anger
28:00 Unite your mind with your emotions, then unite your actions. Actions filter out contradictions
30:00 Unite with the world. Clean your room.
47:00 If you listen to people, you will find them interesting
thank you my man. wait is it emergency or emergent?
@@thomasr1051 its emergent, as in emerge from something.
@@brotong42 I can't remember but I think I was pointing out a typo.
This was absolutely mind altering thank you JBP top bloke
i started cleaning my room watching this....get out of my mind
I'm so glad have we someone as brilliant as this around now.
23:05 "instead of the dragon guarding the path in front of you, it's now chasing you down."
*pause*
"And that's a lot more useful"
lol xD
can you expound of what it would mean for someone with the sun as his lunar sign?
Man that one was on point too
"A minimal example of the utility of getting your emotions and your thoughts aligned the same way"😉
it's always the happiest part of my day when I see that I've got a new Peterson lecture waiting for me when I get home :)
Hey fellow Aphex fan :3
I find him totally fascinating. He's like the jazz of lecturers; talking about one thing then goes off topic where you learn a load of other things before coming back to the subject at hand.
I study a totally different field, yet I am glad I can engage in other subjects that are so academically professional like this -
watching a University lecture, freely. The internet is a thing of beauty (and darkness, on occasion).
High quality stuff. Thank you, Dr Peterson.
BEST TALK I HAVE NEEDED IN 23 YEARS! why has it taken this long?
You weren't aiming.
Now you did, so the world itself manifest it to you.
Took a long time for humanity to build youtube
38 minutes and 56 seconds of introduction, then we get to Rogers...:)
He said he was taking a tangent, that he would be returning soon to the main point. Love this guy.
That's the problem with Jordan, at the end the most part of what you get is motivation stuff. A shame if one think about this was about phenomenology
@@jaumevila6235 Pretty much all of it was about Phenomenology, explained quite well in my professional opinion. It's definitely not a technical lecture on the subject, but I don't think that's what he was going for and not what anyone expected from this video.
That's my thought when watching these lectures. Don't get me wrong, they are incredibly informative and useful, but sometimes he might spend too much time explaining side ideas instead of walking us through the main topic. I would prefer him to dig into Phenomenology more in this video.
I notice lectures' length varies through the years, so it would be better to check the older ones. For example, in 2015, he spent nearly 2 and a half an hour for Freud, but only 48 mins in 2017.
@@DucMinh322 I think the main reason for that is he gives more reading and writing assignments related to the current topic and prefers to do a less technical in-class lesson.
Because of him, I clean my room and now I am ready to fight the world.
it's incredible how much those lectures help me improving my life.absolutely astonishing.
After thirty minutes, still waiting for the Carl Rogers portion. I know he is going somewhere with this introduction. I just love Carl Rogers, one of the most badass therapists of all time.
40 minutes and he seems to begin to speak about Rogers :)
I just started PCA therapy so I read a Rogers book and now watching all videos about him. He really is a badass
"If theres a tree in the forest, and there isn't anyone, is there even a tree?"
And there's my daily mind blow from the Lobster King.
If a tree falls it does make a sound you just didn’t hear it. We know this due to vibrations and not to mention a sound is not predicated upon you hearing that sound. It’s like saying a man on the other side of the country doesn’t die just because you didn’t see it. You hearing or seeing something and understand that is actually a Piaget process with children. For awhile children cannot understand this.
@@heinuchung8680 That's what I also always thought. Thus, I never really understood the need to ask this question at all: "If you're not there, did the sound even exist?" Well, depends on how you define sound! If sound is something that first emerges once you perceive a set of vibrations with your ears, then no. If sound defines as the vibrations it self, then yes. But what's up with this question of "did the tree even exist?". What is there that I did not get? Hmm
@@Tschinka7 Does language exist without a subject? Peterson is essentially pointing out that our level of perception is dependent on the perciever- that our perception is regulated by our values. One cannot objectively determine whether to see a "tree" as wood surrounded by bark or as a bundle of arrayed carbon atoms.
Your talk with Molyneux was absolutely fantastic. I hope to see you two talking more again soon.
Hopefully Sam will do a follow-up with him where he doesn't obsess over one big thing that he knows Peterson has no obligation to give up because it can't be falsified to begin with.
Would've been just as good if Molyneux hadn't been there at all, lol. It's like watching the sun alongside a 60 watt lightbulb.
molyneux has so much brain. however, he can be so cruel to the helpless who've done him no wrong.
What are you even trying to say?
Peterson's definition of truth is inherently grounded in a telos, or end, that can not be justified according to the modern scientific notion of truth. He believes that what is true is what brings about life, and consequently what is false brings about death. Science claims all subjective feelings about life and death, good and evil, lie outside of truth values. Things are what they are. But you can't falsify Peterson's claim because it does not completely rely on one existence.
This lecture is criminally underwatched compared to some of his others. The last 20 minutes are so enlightening. He lays out how to howto communicate in a way that builds you into a better person. Listen as if you have something to learn from everyone.
each person can speak up for himself only after he has first restated the ideas and feelings of previous speaker accurately and to that speakers satisfaction
it's a rare person who can speak completely eloquently, comprehensibly, intelligently and considerately, like this, as well as being entertaining and deeply informing. Hats off to this man.
the clapping of the students at the end makes me smile
Several years later and I'm looking forward to "Tuesday".
Today my brother had a bit of an anger tantrum after his own glasses broke, and my dad got frustrated with my brother because he gets so easily wound up by these things and "takes them out on other people", which of course only makes him feel more angry. He asked my brother to explain himself, but my brother didn't want to explain himself because he knew that all my dad would do is criticise him for the feelings and opinions he might disclose. Because of the environment my parents have constructed, my brother and I learned early on to never really open up to anyone about our feelings, and we've developed a sense of shame about our emotions that just fuels the anger and discomfort that we've felt even more. After failing my Physics degree two years ago, I've spent every single day, with the help of counselling, trying to overcome what I've been put through.
Well, for the first time in his 13 years of him living, today I sat by his bed as he hid under his bedsheets, away from the family so that he could hide his anger, and I cried. I sat for 15 minutes in silence trying to squeeze out the same words that kept looping around in my head, to tell him that I just want to listen to him. To my pleasant surprise, he wasn't like me with my difficulties with learned helplessness, once I plucked up the courage to start a kind of conversation that we'd never had before, he pulled his head out from under the covers and he actually spoke about how he felt. I had the urge at several points to tell him what my own assessment of his situation was based on my own experience going through what he's going through, but instead I just listened and he spoke. I told him that it's OK to be angry, that I understand him, and I spoke about my experience and my own feelings, and I feel like something's finally really changed in our relationship for the better and I'm trying my best to keep it that way.
If it weren't for discovering Dr. Peterson two years ago, I probably wouldn't be pursuing the degree in Psychology and Linguistics that I am, my brother would probably go on to endure the same suffering and make the same mistakes that I did, and frankly I probably would have killed myself. No amount of written gratitude can ever do justice to what his work has helped me to overcome, but I try to convey it nonetheless. If you ever read this Jordan, thank you -- so much.
Amazing!
The foundations of "clean up your room" right here in this class
Been watching your videos since I heard you on Stephan Molyneux. Feels so fresh after 90s MA in philosophy at Catholic U in DC and Doctorate at the Greg in Rome. Thank you.
Just by looking to comments, i started to clean my room.
lowkey wanna take a test on this series...
me too i ve never felt such a desire to sit for a test in my life.... 😅
Hahahahha ikr! I've even considered writing one the essays and asking a psychology staff member at my Uni to read it. Completely out of character for me :P
Is you got the balls I can send the exam.
@@heinuchung8680 do it man
@@heinuchung8680 send the link
Damn, right at the end of the lecture, when Peterson says that if you are bored by a person it is because you are dumb, this is something I've realized and been saying for a while. If you think a person isn't interesting, the fault lies with you. There is always something interesting about a person, you just have to bring it out; or as Peterson say, pay attention to what they are saying.
I've always hated small talk and I'm starting to see why now.. I made it all about myself. Jordan is truly a good human. Ironically I just listened to his interview with Danica Patrick and she said that small talk is boring to her and she would rather watch JP on youtube and I was like that's me! He didn't put her down for that, but now I know what he may have been thinking in his head!
Thank you Jordan for educating us.
Have been waiting for this... Mondays are awesome and all days are getting more awesome when I not only listen to you but actually 'listen' to you
What an amazing lecture, learnt so much from this. Please never stop uploading these!
10x2.5hours deep in a binge watch of this class and I can feel my brain reconfiguring after every lecture. thank you JBP for this great gift
Brilliant lecture! Thanks JBP!
Literally in love with this man! 😍❤️
I'm not sure why all of this isn't mainstream knowledge, and it makes me sad that it isn't
Restating the other's last position, getting affirmation, and then moving on with your own position is a brilliant concept which I will utilize in forming better mutual relationships. Thank you!
I'm so very grateful for these lectures
absolutely brilliant
You never cease to amaze me. Your insight, compassion, empathy and knowledge into humanity and our existence is truly incredible. How you manage to put into words and clarify what and how we may be feeling is a pleasure to listen to. Maybe it is a matter of how like minded people gravitate towards those whom we resonate with. I don’t know. All I can say is that you must resonate with so many of us and I thank you.
He works the room so well. Eye contact, talks to the individual. So cool
Thank you for sharing Exactly what is in my mind since.... ever
What a life changing video! Brilliant.
One of the single greatest lectures I have ever seen.
Beautifully brilliant/brilliantly useful; thank you Dr. Peterson.
Wow, that lecture hits hard! Probably my favorite so far.... Just fantastic
Thank you Jordan !!!! You re the best of them alll ❤
OMG he's right... I do need to get over my fear of applying to new jobs
Yet again this was another game changer for me, especially towards the end. I can only imagine how much good will come out of this.
i wonder how many words JP speaks during his lectures..the man is brilliant and passionate.
Awe that sweet sounds of the into lecture! Yes.
Came here after I saw a 8 min clip of this Video and that 8 minutes really change my perception of how to really progress my life in a logical way and it directed me to this Original video. Jordan has a great community. I'm glad to be a part of it.
Love the comparison to spherical and hyperbolic geometry and the shift in looking at philosophy and psychology. Brilliant!
Whenever I come back to listen to these lectures, I return with a lot of things.
Thanks a lot...
My mind was blown countless times alone in this video. The whole series is just gold for me.
true🌀
I was watching this video for one of my exams. I stopped studying for my exam, and started studying for my interest. You made this whole concept really interesting. Thank you. I like your counseling techniques and the way you talk. I will listen to more of your videos.
P.s.: you are an amazing teacher :)
These lectures have helped me tremendously :) Thank you Dr. Peterson
I realized how important it is to make your bed in the morning. If we take responsibility in our action we can change the world in a smaller scale then the your world helps a world next to you and it can repel until then end of the world. I'm just rambling. Mr. Peterson you are doing such a great thing with your lectures. Thank you from what you do and the Devine individual for his sacrifice.
This is fantastic, man. Thanks!
Jordan told me to clean my room...
Colin JM How did you notice that video?
What did Stefan lie about?
+Colin JM
Would you prefer those you agree with to never challenge the opinions of those who you disagree with? Correct opinions aren't a game played for ego points, they're a matter of civilisation or barbarism. Molyneux has over half a million subscribers and gets 100,000 views per video on average. You're disappointed that Peterson got a message out to an entire city-full of people entirely receptive to his ideas?
the legends are true .If you look to the transcendent and make the right sacrifices Jordan will indeed reply to your comment.
"When people can't talk, they polarize -- and things get far worse from there."
Exactly what's happening right now. Scary times we live in, it seems.
Thank you Mr. Peterson
So far the best part of personality series for me !
This man was born at this time to bring all the philosophies together, absolute genius.
Thank you, very, very much, mr. Peterson. I'm watching your lectures now on TH-cam otherwise I wouldn't EVER be able to attend even one of them for several reasons. Please come to Mexico whenever you can.
Just hypnotizing, as always
Wow, I have stumbled on a JP lecture I haven’t seen before.
I got an 80 in personality and intelligence using these lectures, but beyond the grade, the real treasure is a deeper understanding of the world. I really appreciate the detailing of the philosophical underpinnings behind contemporary psychological ideas - which are too often taught verbatim, as isolated facts. There are so many jump-off points for further reading too, which I believe is the primary purpose of lectures - here's the spark, now go make fire!
You are just so engaging Dr Peterson, I watch you simultaneously with my undergraduate Bsc in Psychology as a Mature student. Cant tell you how much your words impact me. Thank you . I m Working on an essay "Can attitudes predict behaviour" . I have taken away from your lectures, the integration of the two spheres. I like what you said about the tree and then went further, is there a tree, I thought the same thing that we are always needing witness to our experiences but still that dose not make ones experience the same as the observer. I come from an arts background in Acting and also Costume design so the intersection of the Being in the character and actor has always been a synchronistic movement for me. Makes me think about what you said in reference to Jung and Rogers and Piaget with the extension of self and the field of total experience an extension of being in the outside world. I see the continuous continuum one does to know they self, through the placement and participation with their outside world and in pursuit of a ' pain free' reflection of the self from that. Yet can only be truly valuable if the inner being the self is valued. But in saying all that I see that pain as you describe gives oneself the ability to be present to be Alive. We humans are truly remarkable, dynamic and resourceful to the point of limitless possibities to the integration of the self and that in the extension of self in the world. The survival of our species is the continuous intergration of the human experience. Back to my essay question I find it a very singular brushstroke, diluiting the marriage and dance that out physiological and psychological, mind and body has to offer. The duality that human experience to be definitive and predictable. Its this isolation that you say would freeze the infinite possibilities of a person in the moment of reacting to a stimuli. The take away here is one must Fight or Flight to at least 'Do' something to make a change - to have an experience: hence a purpose and meaning, otherwise we are just floating in the wind-Invisible. ( for some people that is a good thing) As you said DR Peterson to strip the subjectivity out of the world. There is more power I believe in ' the Doing' then the passive to simply think and feel . Even if you just think about something nothing is going to change unless you do something about it. You action your thoughts and emotions, towards something; an aim, adding on from the part you spoke about the genuine intentions to aim towards something and the world will reconfigure to manifest your actualisation. One the surface attitudes do fall in line with our behaviour, Yet it's the actual power of ones actions ones behaviour which is the true predictor of the person. We learnt about Self perception, I find it in my text book and empirically described as if a person has a weak to ambiguous understanding of their attitudes. For some reason that does not resonate with me. Not to say people should go around just acting on impulse with no ethical responsibility. It makes me think about your other lecture and snippet I saw about the zebras and motivation to be invisible stuck out with me. It we as an individual in a society is too self aware and not able to stand out from the herd always censoring our or internalising our responses to a stimuli in a way does lead to anxiety depression and neuroticism. In the words of Lisa Minnelli " What good sitting all alone in your room, Come hear the music play, Oh! Life is a Cabaret Oh! Chum, so come to the Caberet!" I. think thats why I like the arts and the ability to 'act out' my attitudes towards a script and develop the characters behaviours. But life isn't scripted or is it for some! I will keep writing but better stop, for now, as the topic is very broad. I thank you for your time DR Peterson. I just would like you to know how much I value your mind your integration in this world. Sometimes words can't express enough so if anything Im sending you a virtual smile and hug Dr Peterson as corny as that sounds. :) o Kindest regards
Fiona Victoria Hopkins.
This lecture was deeply reflective, informative and influential
That was amazing, indeed listening and not demolishing an idea but actually using the power of summarising in order to achieve mind and feeling congruence is the hardest thing I have to deal with in my lvl 5 Counselling
thank you, Dr., a very interesting lecture
This lecture is so powerful
Good lecture! Live this one.
31:12 Good book that explains this idea in depth - No Boundary by Ken Wilber
49:25 Is called a "steelman argument." Learning this term helped me.
Simply amazing
Imagine being 7 minutes late for a lecture by Dr. Peterson. For shame!
30:43 is where some of the most important self-improvement ideas I've come across yet start
I love love Love 💕 this guy. He's my mentor as a psychology student
13:27 ******
16:40
17:01
29:51 If you wanna organize your psyche, start by organising your room (immediate environment). 32:53
34:35 Fix the things that you repeat everyday.
37:03
42:12 The aim of a paycho-therapeutic session = just listening.
43:32 Therapeutic relationships = one where both listen intently to each other.
46:28 ********
My experience watching this video as a Rogers fan:
Before watching: "Huh, I wonder what JBP says about Carl Rogers"
0:00 - 15:00 Huh, all this philosophy. But I can see how that is related to Rogers. I guess he'll get to Rogers in a minute.
15:00 - 38:55 What? Wasn't he going to talk about Rogers? What does cleaning your room have to do with Rogers?
38:55 Rogers name drop :O Finally!
Final 11 minutes: Hmm, yeah, some important aspects about Rogers are touched upon but he only scratched the surface.
So yeah, not sure if the title is appropriate.
lots of useful information
thanks for this
you are a great professor
I would definitely not be walking in late for his class.
I would be there 20mins early to chat with him and help him with anything he needs help with. Jordan Peterson you’re one of a kind.
God bless you and your family. 🙏🏻
Really enjoyed this lecture! Helped me to remember a lot. I'm an MSW who has been out of the field for 10 years. Trying to get back in..❤
This session was FIRE!
Hell yeah, another Peterson video!
Dr Peterson don't get argry we need you around for a long time
46:24 This is extraordinary advice, and it's absolutely true. A lot of my friends bitch and complain about strangers making small talk with them, and how they dread talking to their Uber driver. I look forward to those exchanges. By the time I'm done talking with my Uber driver, I learned something about what's going on in their life, and maybe I helped them talk about some problem going on in their life by offering them a little insight from an outside perspective. When my friends are done with their exchange, the other person is a little more discouraged from talking to strangers, and my friends allowed themselves to become annoyed by someone else "bothering" them.
I've always hated small talk and I'm starting to see why now.. I made it all about myself. Jordan is truly a good human. Ironically I just listened to his interview with Danica Patrick and she said that small talk is boring to her and she would rather watch JP on youtube and I was like that's me! He didn't put her down for that, but now I know what he may have been thinking in his head!
Dr Peterson creates heroes.